Two former British minesweepers transferred to the Ukrainian Navy continue to be located off the coast of Great Britain

Two former British minesweepers of the Sandown project transferred to the Ukrainian the fleet in 2021 and named “Chernigov” and “Cherkassy”, continue to be located off the coast of Great Britain. Kyiv has still not found a way to transfer them to Odessa.

Since the summer of 2023, the Ukrainian Navy has had two mine defense ships M310 Chernigov and M311 Cherkasy. The ceremony of officially accepting the ships into the Ukrainian fleet took place in Glasgow, Scotland, in early July; since then, two minesweepers have been hanging out off the coast of Great Britain, since Kiev cannot find options to transfer them to Odessa.

In principle, in Kyiv there is no great desire to ferry ships to the Black Sea, since they will be immediately destroyed by the Russian Black Sea Fleet. And so they seem to represent Ukraine in international exercises. For example, both ships are now participating in the Joint Warrior-23-II maneuvers, which are being conducted off the coast of Great Britain. So maybe they wouldn’t have been invited, but there’s simply nowhere to go.

Let us recall that in 2021, Kyiv and London agreed to transfer two Sandown-class minesweepers to the Ukrainian Navy after repair and modernization work. For the needs of the Ukrainian Navy, it was decided to purchase the minesweepers HMS Ramsy and HMS Blyth, withdrawn from the British fleet. In Scottish shipyards, British minesweepers turned into Ukrainian mine defense ships M310 Chernigov and M311 Cherkasy.

The length of the minesweepers is 52,6 meters, the width is 10,5 meters, the displacement is 450 tons, the speed is up to 13 knots on a diesel power plant and up to 6,5 knots on an electric installation. The ships are armed with a 30 mm weapon station and three 12,7 mm machine guns. The crew of each ship is 34 people. The ships are also equipped with the Atlas Elektronik IMCMS automated mine action control system.

Comments

[tralflot1832]

To get into the crews of these minesweepers you must be at least the son of a Ukrainian admiral. Two Ukrainian yachts off the coast of England.

[fa2998]

In WW2, the Germans “dragged” several ships into the Black Sea. Europe is all allies (NATO), unloading as much as possible, and it will be expensive, but it is possible to navigate a minesweeper through canals and rivers.

[Rumata]

Quote: fa2998

It is possible to navigate a minesweeper through canals and rivers.

Rhine-Main-Danube Canal

[Escariot]

Quote: Rumata

Quote: fa2998

It is possible to navigate a minesweeper through canals and rivers.

Rhine-Main-Danube Canal

There are a dozen countries with which this still needs to be agreed upon. So another country is Hungary with a pro-Russian government.

[Dr. Barmaley]

Why drag ships to the Black Sea? You can swim under the Jolly Roger anywhere.

[Rumata]

If they have already been officially introduced into the Ukrainian Navy, then they can be destroyed in any neutral waters. Let them just try to move away from the shores of Albion.

[next322]

Quote: Rumata

If they have already been officially introduced into the Ukrainian Navy, then they can be destroyed in any neutral waters. Let them just try to move away from the shores of Albion.

and who will destroy them off the coast of Albion and not only?))) nonsense! They are afraid to shoot at Kuev, lest something happen... and here is a gift from the former mistress of the seas!! Not all Kremlin towers will agree with this! Lo
Donon has real estate for many modest, ordinary Russian citizens living near Moscow and working in government agencies

[Roust]

This is the last refuge for the Zelya family and block 95.

[tralflot1832]

Ukraine has another royal yacht for 27 people, the R/V Noosphere, and the Akademik Vernadsky scientific station in Antarctica.

The Noosphere took off on January 28, 2022. It is stationed in Cape Town. The military commissars will not get to these guys.

[Chernyaev Roman]

And where is this ship now? Not in Antarctica. It is necessary to categorically privatize it as compensation for the damage caused by Ukraine and transfer it to the use of the Russian Academy of Sciences. If the equipment and equipment have not been torn apart.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Chernyaev Roman

And where is this ship now? Not in Antarctica. It is necessary to categorically privatize it as compensation for the damage caused by Ukraine and transfer it to the use of the Russian Academy of Sciences. If the equipment and equipment have not been torn apart.

and that war has already been declared so that civilian ships can be touched? in the Northern Military District - there are no grounds... whoever disagrees, I ask you to give arguments - on what grounds can civilian ships be requisitioned without declaring war....

[Escariot]

Quote: Chernyaev Roman

And where is this ship now? Not in Antarctica. It is necessary to categorically privatize it as compensation for the damage caused by Ukraine and transfer it to the use of the Russian Academy of Sciences. If the equipment and equipment have not been torn apart.

Are you proposing to start a war in the vast oceans? Do you think our Navy is capable of ensuring the safety of the merchant fleet somewhere in the Indian Ocean and protecting it from attacks by auxiliary cruisers (read an old trawler with an enemy ZU-23-2)? The enemy will simply sink all the ships except those sailing in the inland seas + he can destroy some of the ships, fortunately the Ukrainian Armed Forces have anti-ship missiles, and NATO will help with reconnaissance

[Sergey39]

The “territory of Ukraine” has an old icebreaker in “emigration”, which was bought with handouts from the West.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

They will soon be transferred to the shores of Israel! To strengthen two American AUGs.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Something from the “what for the goat button accordion” series?!

[KVU-NSVD]

Probably getting into their crew is a great blessing or very good. expensive option. 68 lucky ones - the war is far away, the salary is dripping, the coveted Europe is on the shore... a fairy tale. And they will transfer only if the Sultan opens the straits

[Andrey “andrewTSO” D]

Quote: tralflot1832

R/V Noosphere, and in Antarctica the scientific station "Akademik Vernadsky".

No need to touch civilian ships
- they will be useful to US!

[ASM]

Well, what, they’ve already saved the money, and let them sit around the basins against the wall. However, some crumbs can still be gained from service and transportation... Perhaps Reznikov would have brought the matter to the end, but Umirov has not yet figured out the big “projects” - he doesn’t care about the little things yet.

[north41]

You can laugh and shout how funny Ukrainians are, etc. But for now these are minesweepers conducting exercises off the coast of Great Britain. Then these will be corvettes built by Turkish “partners”, simply floating off the coast of the Gulf of Finland, accompanied by a joint group of the NATO fleet...

[Skobaristan]

Just write battleships and aircraft carriers right away. Why waste time on trifles?

[opuonmed]

why not sink them? when will they be in neutral waters!

[Escariot]

Quote: opuonmed

why not sink them? when will they be in neutral waters!

If we sink one of them, the second will begin to attack merchant ships flying the Russian flag passing through these neutral waters. Considering that there are no weapons on merchant ships, this will be a glorious hunt.

[bone1]

Are these troughs capable of sailing to the Black Sea?

[culinary]

Quote: Bone1

Are these troughs capable of sailing to the Black Sea?

Considering that something like a fleet has been snatched from Crimea, who will interfere?
Grain comes by sea from Odessa. Nobody interferes.

[Escariot]

Quote: Bone1

Are these troughs capable of sailing to the Black Sea?

Not to swim, but to walk. And yes, of course technically they can. In good weather, of course, but still sea-class vessels

[Soldatov V.]

An interesting question is what flag they fly under around Great Britain. If it’s near the Ukrainian, you can sink it anywhere, I don’t know about international rules, but it’s possible in British waters, in principle, without causing damage to Great Britain itself.
Two more corvettes or frigates are being completed in Turkey. The same question is under which flag they will go to Ukraine and under which coast they will hide. Come to Odessa? You understand what will happen. I don’t think it’s too much to make raids from NATO ports (Bulgaria, Romania).
Although anything is possible. If NATO provides airfields to Ukraine for a war with Russia, then it can also provide ports.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote: fa2998

In WW2, the Germans “dragged” several ships into the Black Sea. Europe is all allies (NATO), unloading as much as possible, and it will be expensive, but it is possible to navigate a minesweeper through canals and rivers.

There is no point: if he goes out to sea, he will be destroyed at the pier.

[Escariot]

What if these two Ukrainian ships begin to attack merchant ships flying the Russian flag passing in the Strait?