Reduction minus. Severe Gaza Border Syndrome

Big secret for little Gaza

It’s no secret that for every kilometer of Arab territories squeezed out, Israel paid not only and not so much with the lives of its citizens, but with money. However, in parallel with this, the Arab elite of Palestine, frankly speaking, only very relatively legitimate, was also pumped up financially.

At the same time, the Israeli resource, thanks to the fact that Tel Aviv has Washington behind it, was and remains practically unlimited, while the Arabic resource is not so large, and the addressee is not the entire population, but only a very small part of it. In addition, the lion's share of this resource goes into weapons. As, indeed, happens in Israel.

The situation in this sector is getting closer to critical every day. More precisely, the Arab population of the sector - which is over 1,5 million people along with refugees - is directly threatened by a purge. Since the Israeli command on October 19 officially announced the upcoming ground military operation in Gaza.

Territory of evil

But let us remember that the territory of this sector has been reduced by more than half since the early 1950s - of course, in favor of Israel. This factor alone cannot but provoke bloody showdowns between the parties, which have been going on for over seventy years.

Alas, the Gaza Strip is perhaps the most suffering region in the world. Judge for yourself: when the UN designated this area as part of the Arab state of Palestine at the end of 1947, neighboring Arab countries went to war with Israel four months later. Which, by the way, not without support from the USSR, was officially proclaimed only in May 1948.

The battle unfolded over the territories allocated for the Arab Palestinian state, which, frankly speaking, are not the most attractive in the Holy Land. But for the Arab countries, as well as for the Arabs of Palestine, this war ended in tears. Over half of the Palestinian territory ended up in Israel's hands.

Moreover, in some of the remaining Arab territories of Palestine - partly in Gaza - neighboring Arab states established themselves. More precisely, Egypt got the southern part of this sector. Israel cleverly contributed to this situation, and since then it has been using it for its own purposes.

Dangerous legacy from the UN

The conflict situation in this region is due to the fact that the borders in Palestine between the Arab and Jewish states were determined by the UN in such a way that constant conflicts between the parties are inevitable. It’s almost absurd: the northern border of the Gaza Strip extended almost to Tel Aviv, including the Ashkelon-Ashdod ports nearby and to Gaza itself.

For some reason, the UN included this couple, attractive in all respects, as part of the named sector. Moreover: the border of the same sector was in contact with the border of the Palestinian sector in the West Bank, and this immediately separated the southern part of Israel from the northern. The question is: how can military conflicts not arise here?..

The UN mediation commission of the mid-60s and second half of the 70s, headed by Swedish diplomat Gunnar Jarring, brought even greater confusion. She proposed that the Israeli authorities and neighboring Arab countries, together with representatives of the Arab part of Palestine, agree on borders in the region that would minimize the risks of military confrontation and terrorist attacks.

But at the same time, a condition was put forward, which was generally justified and has again become relevant today, on the creation of a Palestinian Arab state. The Israeli side rejected such an approach to resolving the conflict, which, of course, excluded Arab-Israeli dialogue on border issues.

By the way, a similar approach to resolving the situation was proposed to both sides back in 1948. Then the Swedish mediator, the nephew of King Gustav V of Sweden, Count Folke Bernadotte, called for this, not entirely unsuccessfully.

However, on the eve of the decisive stage of the negotiations, F. Bernadotte was killed in Jerusalem by an Israeli nationalist on September 17, 1948...

And the British trace

According to Jordanian political scientist Hafez Shaaban, the British administration deliberately insisted at the UN on the winding borders between the Jewish and Arab states in Palestine. Let us recall that all of Palestine, as is known, was a British colony until 1947 inclusive.

The British, as in India, did everything to ensure that bloody conflicts over the redrawing of borders constantly arose between their former colonies. London hoped to be the sole arbiter in these conflicts in order to maintain its influence in both the Israeli and Arab parts of Palestine.

And the UN followed the lead of the British, although, according to H. Shaaban, it was obvious to everyone that because of such borders, Palestine “will always be the bloodiest hot spot in the world.” Moreover, the expert clarifies, “the annexation by Israel of many areas of the Gaza Strip” contributes to this.

In 1950 and 1967, as a result of the Arab-Israeli wars, the entire northern part of the Gaza Strip was occupied by Israel, including the mentioned ports of Ashkelon-Ashdod. And the southern part of this sector also became Israeli. That is, the territory of the Gaza Strip has been reduced by more than half.

The Arab population from the areas of the strip that became Israeli was either deported by the new authorities to the remaining Gaza region, or independently went there and partially to Egypt. And so it happened that the sector’s territory literally shrank to a symbolic 360 square meters. km. However, according to the UN decision of 1947, the sector’s territory was determined to be approximately 1,1 thousand square meters. km.

Someone else's oil and someone else's water

And the mentioned separation of the port of Ashkelon from Gaza was influenced, along with others, by the oil transit factor. That is, Israel’s desire to seize oil transit between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea, which Tel Aviv succeeded in full (When oil and gas transit is more important than Palestine).

The water aspect of Israeli policy towards Gaza is no less characteristic. Foreign and Russian media reported in the early 2000s - with references to Egyptian, Jordanian and Israeli officials - that construction of the Mediterranean-Dead Sea-Jordan canal could soon begin.

The canal according to the project was intended to transfer water (with its desalination on the Israeli coast) to the drying Dead Sea or to the lower reaches of the Jordan River, which flows into this sea. Moreover, this canal should pass, again, from the former part of the Gaza Strip, which is now in the hands of Israel (Ashkelon-Ashdod region) - approximately 40 km north of Gaza City.

Arab-Palestinian leaders insisted that the canal be built directly through Gaza, since the water supply of this “remaining” sector has been deteriorating for several years. But these arguments were ignored in the Israeli project.

Construction of the canal has not yet begun: it is planned only in the mid-to-second half of the 2020s. In Israel, this project naturally remains a priority. The mentioned and related factors are unlikely to contribute to peace in the region.

A sovereign Palestinian Arab state, including the Gaza Strip, has not been created for decades. So we can quite agree with the opinion of the German economist Gunnar Heinsohn: “The UN, through its Near East Relief Agency for Palestine Refugees, is driving the Palestinian problem into a dead end. By classifying Palestinians only as “refugees” – not only those who were forced to leave their homes, but also all their descendants.”

As a result “Youth in Gaza and other Palestinian areas have a lot of time for digging tunnels, smuggling weapons, assembling missiles and firing."

Comments

[parusnik]

The UN, through its Near East Relief Agency for Palestine Refugees, is driving the Palestinian problem into a dead end.

And what is the way out of the impasse? Armageddon?

[steelmaker]

"There's a real threat of purges."
I also believe that the purpose of the ground operation is to close the issue with the Palestinians and the Palestinian state. Israel needs territory!

[Victor Leningradets]

If Israel needs territory, then it is Lebanon, Syria (or part of it with the division of the country between Israel and Turkey), Jordan and the Sinai Peninsula. What to do with the local population is the main question. However, Yavuz Sultan Erdogan is quite capable of taking over these settlers with re-export of the most rabid part to Europe and Russia as payment for territorial acquisitions.

[kor1vet1974]

If Israel needs territory, then it is Lebanon, Syria (or part of it with the division of the country between Israel and Turkey

Israel doesn’t need Lebanon or Syria anymore. From Syria, they seized the Golan Heights, where the drainage comes from. Lebanon was destroyed back in the 70-80s, then before the war Lebanon was called the Switzerland of the Middle East, Lebanon remained, only it was already Switzerland not to be.

[kor1vet1974]

Which, by the way, not without support from the USSR, was officially proclaimed only in May 1948.

And Zionist Jews began to arrive there, even before WWII, from the USA and Great Britain, and not in tens, but in hundreds of thousands.

[Non-fighter]

Finally the maps were published.
All that remains is to write about how Israeli settlers from kibbutzim in the West Bank kill Palestinians to complete the information.
Jews have always been terrorists. Do we remember under what circumstances Moshe Dayan lost his eye? This and that.
I understand that going “down” is much easier than going “up”, but there has been a wagonload of time to teach two peoples to live together since 1947. This was not done.

[kor1vet1974]

but there was plenty of time to teach two peoples to live together

They did the opposite, sowing hatred and enmity.

[Maks1995]

One thing is forgotten.
Before the area of ​​Palestine shrank and its prospects disappeared, attacks and provocations by Muslims followed.
Israel carried out its SVO. And he annexed new territories as a result.
(this looks strangely like something)
And now - a sudden terrorist attack on Israel, a lot of killed civilians, many hostages taken.
And also analogies - not only there ““young people in Gaza and other Palestinian areas have a lot of time for...”, but also here “....how do people in the regions live on that kind of money?” and "15 million surplus population..."

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Max1995

Israel carried out its SVO. And he annexed new territories as a result.
(this looks strangely like something)

Not weird or similar. Russia is taking back its own, Russian territories that have always been Russian: founded by Russians, developed by Russians, settled by Russians.
And Israel is a state that is 75 years old. There is nothing “of him” there and never was. And even if the historical truth follows the Bible, then the Jews came to this land when the Philistines and Palestinians had been living there for centuries. And what did the Jews immediately begin to do? That's right - to terrorize the Philistines: cut, burn, shred in vain. Why? Yes, simply because the Jews decided to settle here - which means everyone who already lives here is their enemy.

[Knell wardenheart]

The background of the IP conflict is certainly very good. sad - this is a classic conflict between the original and the alien (and I’m not talking about biblical times).
However, what has always bothered me personally about the position of the Palestinians in this case is that the side that is regularly beaten and incurs losses (and from the map laid out by the author it is clearly visible who this side is) has absolutely not changed the tactics of “flea bites” with all this digging of tunnels, handmade NURS and damn dirty in essence (and damn close to zero from a military point of view) military actions.
On these Internets of yours there is such an expression “they are going to success” - so, it is clearly visible that this whole strategy of action, which is called “leads to success”. But the Palestinians themselves do not understand this at all, painfully reminiscent of a man who met a gr6 in a garden.
There are plenty of examples in history of the depravity of flea bite tactics. One can recall the so-called “Indian wars” in the United States, when over and over again the Indians who spontaneously rose up, without sufficient thought, only received a worsening of their conditions. One can recall the unsuccessful anti-Tatar-Mongol kipish during the “game” in Rus'. Polish "uprisings" also very well demonstrate the stupidity of such kipish, Antosman uprisings, uprisings of the same Jews against the rule of Rome in their lands, etc.
The people who turn up the crowd for all this are essentially pure adventurers relying on luck and some mystical factors. As a rule, such an approach awaits the so-called “heroic failure” - with a host of heroes and martyrs at the exit, as well as another portion of loss. If by that time there will still be someone to honor these martyrs, because there have been precedents in history that do not.

You should always draw conclusions from failures (especially when there are many of them) and prepare better. It’s just, well, what do they want to achieve? I mean Palestine. Any plan must be calmly laid out on the table according to its composition. elements - now, did those who brewed something like this not understand that with that attack it was impossible to ensure that Israel would fall over on its back and start twitching its paws? This is simply IMPOSSIBLE to achieve with missiles made of shit and sticks, a couple of thousand creepy slippers with firearms and several hundred units of converted pickup trucks + a dozen bulldozers. You can achieve hemorrhoids for your diaspora with this, but there is no result.
If they have truly serious, large-scale goals, if they want a real result, they need to prepare and approach accordingly and choose the moment when such an approach will be most effective. It’s like how the Yaps have been preparing for their attack since BB1, like how the Germans were preparing for the French campaign, like how the Vietnamese were fighting to unify the country.
That is - methodically, thoughtfully, QUALITATIVELY.

Finally, I will say a tough thing - few will bet on an unlucky horse, even if it looks cool. And many will bet on an ugly, unpretentious one if it can win. The Palestinians apparently do not catch up with this, and over and over again spoil their portfolio, helping Israel build it.

[Non-fighter]

If they have truly serious, large-scale goals, if they want a real result, they need to prepare and approach accordingly and choose the moment when such an approach will be most effective. It’s like how the Yaps have been preparing for their attack since BB1, like how the Germans were preparing for the French campaign, like how the Vietnamese were fighting to unify the country.

For normal preparation you need the STATE. Your own, at least with minimal sovereignty. If you are preparing to fight the army, then you also need an ARMY. The Palestinians have not had this and will not have this. This is a "revolt of the desperate" who are being deprived of the last bits of their Motherland. As for the participants - to put it simply, there were two forces. The first was organized. Paraglider landings, targeted attacks on commanders, seizure of bases, breaking through the protective perimeter around Gaza. This was done by professionals who were preparing .
The second force is the “people’s”.

a couple of thousand creepy slippers with firearms and several hundred units of converted pickup trucks

Just yesterday, two elderly women were released. What did they say? "At first we were captured by another group." It was in the news.
Well, about the examples you gave. Preparing Japan for confrontation with the United States in World War II? There was such a “push-pull” between the army and navy that they signed peace treaties. When the Japanese went to Pearl Harbor, 2% of their army was in China and it was problematic to get anything out of there. To be fair, it must be said that they had no other options. There is an analysis from Cat_Cat on the “author of today”, read it, I believe him.
Preparing the Germans to capture France? So they were raised as a counterweight to France, and the English did it. It’s just that the English were expecting a war in the spirit of the First World War, which would eat up all the resources, but the Germans staged a blitzkrieg.
Vietnam? And how long would the South Vietnamese guerrillas have lasted without the support of the North? Who supported the North? In Vietnam, two systems fought, if anything.

[Heel]

as always, the usual VOSH article, full of lies, and most importantly, no one will check the “facts” presented here
so, let's begin
I will not analyze the entire article, but it is still worth dwelling on some details.

But let us remember that the territory of this sector has been reduced by more than half since the early 1950s - of course, in favor of Israel

The territory of the sector is exactly what it represents today, after the first war it was this territory that began to be called the Gaza Strip, otherwise not the entire western territory of the trefoil allocated for the Arab state, but these are trifles and quibbles, and the attacking Egypt was not able to capture all of Israel , and even lost part of the territory of the Palestinian state, but this happens in wars of aggression, but this happened not in the early fifties, but in 1949 (the first serious inaccuracy.)

It’s almost absurd: the northern border of the Gaza Strip extended almost to Tel Aviv, including the Ashkelon-Ashdod ports nearby and to Gaza itself.

Sorry, but Ashkelon has never been a port, and now it is not, on the site of the ancient city there was an Arab village with a population of 1000 people, and on the site of Ashdod there was a small Arab city with a population of 8000 people and it was not a port of any kind, and there there were several Jewish settlements with a total number of up to 1500 people, and this is the entire population of the “northern part of the sector” at that time, and in the “southern part” the population was approximately 0 people, and even now it does not reach 3000, it is very difficult to live there, This is a hilly and impassable desert; only the central part of today's Gaza, which went to Egypt, was inhabited.

The British administration deliberately insisted at the UN on the tortuous borders between the Jewish and Arab states in Palestine

Britain did not take any part in drawing the borders at all, this was done by a specially created UN committee called UNSCOP, and Britain was not included in it, but all sorts of people were included who had no idea what was going on there: Australia, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Guatemala, India , Iran, the Netherlands, Peru, Sweden, Uruguay and Yugoslavia.

And the mentioned separation of the port of Ashkelon from Gaza was influenced, along with others, by the oil transit factor. That is, Israel’s desire to take control of oil transit between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea, which Tel Aviv completely succeeded in

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Chigooo? what transit? it does not exist and was not planned. And again, Ashkelon was not a port and is not one today.

Foreign and Russian media reported in the early 2000s - with references to Egyptian, Jordanian and Israeli officials - that construction of the Mediterranean-Dead Sea-Jordan canal could soon begin.

this nonsense was planned not at the beginning of 2000, but at the end of the nineties, since a Palestinian state was supposed to be created in the year 2000, but Arafat did not want to, and the project was replayed for a canal from the Red Sea to the Dead Sea, but it also stalled due to the efforts of the green ones. But what this has to do with the worsening water situation in Gaza is not at all clear

As a result, “youth in Gaza and other Palestinian areas have plenty of time to dig tunnels, smuggle weapons, build rockets and shoot guns.”

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when Israel left the sector, it left the locals 400 hectares of high-tech greenhouses, producing 100 million dollars in exports for Europe and another 400 million for the domestic market, but... the Gazovites destroyed and burned them, and they could have built a desalination plant for Israeli-European money, or a second power plant, but there is no tunnel and smuggling, it is understood better and indeed, perhaps the only way out for Gaz youth

[solar]

The authors’ reasoning seems to be from 1973, taken from newspapers of that time.

neighboring Arab countries went to war with Israel four months later

The war began the day after the formation of Israel. The official reason for the war is opposition to the UN decision on the creation of Israel and Palestine (Once again, the reason for the war is not the borders between Israel and Palestine, but the opposition of Arab countries to the UN decision. And this war continues to this day, it was never over, there were only occasional truces and peace treaties between Israel and some neighboring Arab states, after which there were no more hostilities with them). At the outbreak of the war, the lands of Palestine were occupied and annexed not by Israel, but by neighboring Arab states.

the next day, the Arab League declared war on Israel[52], and immediately five Arab states (Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq and Transjordan) attacked the new country[53]... the Gaza Strip was occupied by Egypt, and most of the territories of Judea and Samaria, as well as East Jerusalem, which was supposed to remain under UN control within the framework of greater Jerusalem, were occupied and then annexed by Transjordan[51].

However, according to the UN decision of 1947, the sector’s territory was determined to be approximately 1,1 thousand square meters. km.

Which the Arab countries disagreed with by attacking Israel the day after its formation, and some still disagree with.

canal construction Mediterranean Sea – Dead Sea – Jordan.
The canal according to the project was intended to transfer water (with its desalination on the Israeli coast) to the drying up Dead Sea... Arab-Palestinian leaders insisted that the canal be carried directly through Gaza, because the water supply of this “remaining” sector has been deteriorating for many years

The authors did not understand that in the Mediterranean Sea the water is actually salty. And this water itself cannot be used for water supply. Gaza can have as much water as it wants, since it is located on the Mediterranean coast.

A sovereign Palestinian Arab state, including the Gaza Strip, has not been created for decades.

The authors do not know that it was not created for the reason that the Palestinians cannot agree among themselves on its creation, as a result of Fatah slaughtering Hamas, and vice versa?
And initially

In December 1947, the Palestine High Commissioner submitted to the Colonial Office a forecast that the territory allocated for the creation of an Arab state, as a result of the proposed war, would be divided between Syria (Eastern Galilee), Transjordan (Samaria and Judea) and Egypt (southern )[14].

Like looking into the water. At the first stage this was the case. Moreover, there is no doubt that the division of Palestine would have taken place without the creation of Israel.

UN mediation commission from the mid-60s to the second half of the 70s, headed by Swedish diplomat Gunnar Jarring

The Jarring Memorandum is a plan for the implementation of UN Resolution No. 242. Syria was against the resolution. Israel agreed on the condition that the Arab states recognized Israel, created by a UN decision.

[Altmann]

I'll probably reap a lot of negatives. But the time when Jews were hunted as animals, when they were killed in Poland, in Russia, that time has passed and that’s good. Many soldiers of Jewish nationality fought in the USSR army. Even the Jews fought in the army of General Ludwik Svoboda, I think we owe them something, and this is at least respect. In 1948 we helped the Jews militarily. Hrddin of the USSR, Lieutenant Colonel Sochor trained specialists and machine gunners. In the city of Zhatchi, we trained tanker drivers and also trained specialist pilots. Former soldiers of the Czechoslovak Corps, General Tesarzhik and Colonel Sochor, took part in the exercises. We delivered the weapons on time and the soldiers trained in Czechoslovakia were able to defeat the Arabs. Friends, during the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia we allowed the Germans to take 144 Jews from our territory, and we must not forget about that. In the same way, we must not forget about the 000 thousand fallen soldiers of the Red Army who brought us freedom.

[former soldier]

I'll probably reap a lot of negatives. But the time when Jews were hunted as animals, when they were killed in Poland, in Russia, that time has passed and that’s good. Many soldiers of Jewish nationality fought in the USSR army. Even the Jews fought in the army of General Ludwik Svoboda, I think we owe them something, and this is at least respect. In 1948 we helped the Jews militarily. X

I still don’t understand who owes whom?
ps Can’t citizens of different nationalities just live in the same state or world, and not consider that someone owes someone else because someone was offended many years ago? Live here and now.

[geologist]

Well, let's blame it all on the UN. But Czechoslovakia gave weapons to the Jews. So is Czechoslovakia to blame? Or maybe someone else first asked the Czechs to arm one side, and then began pumping weapons into the Arabs. Then we, together with NATO, staged battles there to conduct pilot industrial tests of equipment and, at the same time, amuse the public. Then the USSR collapsed, the USA tried to let the Arabs know who the daddy was, but they themselves ran away from the balcony of the theater. Today everything is moving towards the creation of Israel within its current borders along with the Palestinian Israelis, and there will be no more Palestine. This is the best solution from my point of view. The multinational state and cohabitation. The temple can eventually be built based on part of the wall. Still, no one knows what he really looked like. Build a skyscraper over the Wall above Al-Aqsa and make peace.

[Boris Manzhela]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

Russia is taking back its own, Russian territories that have always been Russian: founded by Russians, developed by Russians, settled by Russians.

Russia first gives away these territories for nothing and out of stupidity, and then tries to return them with blood. Giving it away is quick, but returning it takes years. And I’m not just talking about Ukraine. Baltic states, Caucasus, Central Asia. Hundreds of thousands of hectares have already been “leased” to China in the Far East. In my opinion, this is forever, because a “return” is unlikely to be possible. Not in our lifetime.