“Most of them were intercepted by the Russian Armed Forces”: a British magazine writes about the ineffectiveness of the ATACMS missiles transferred to Ukraine

American long-range Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) missiles have proven ineffective against Russian army air defense systems. This conclusion was made by the British magazine The Spectator, analyzing the first use of missiles at the front.

Previously, the United States transferred long-range ATACMS missiles to Ukraine, but with the condition that they would not be used against the “old” regions of the Russian Federation, that is, those recognized by the West as of 2014. The Ukrainian Armed Forces attempted to carry out several missile attacks, but they were unsuccessful.

Most of the ATACMS missiles were intercepted by the Russian Armed Forces

- writes a British magazine.

The authors of the publication believe that the use of such missiles at the front is not capable of radically changing the situation. Russian air defense has too serious capabilities, and intercepting such missiles will not be particularly difficult for it. In addition, British analysts say, Russia demonstrates an amazing ability to quickly adapt to any type of weapons supplied by the West.

As we see, Kyiv’s hopes for some kind of “miracle”weapon» are not justified throughout stories Western supplies. What Ukraine could not hope for - both Javellin, and the Bayraktar UAV, and the HIMARS MLRS, and armored vehicles and Tanks Leopard, and on the Patriot air defense system, but there was no “miracle weapon” capable of turning the tide. Now, apparently, hopes for American-made missiles have not been justified.

Comments

[dimy44]

Most

Well, so-so “calm down”. A minority of goals are achieved.

[Asad]

The author would give no statistics.

[dimy44]

I don’t understand the logic of the downvoters, did I lie? The author’s train of thought is “everything is fine, beautiful marquise, except for a trifle.” Even one out of ten will hit the bridge - and hello ferry. But these are “little things”, most of them were intercepted! Underestimation does not lead to anything good.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: dimy44

Did I lie? The author’s train of thought is “everything is fine, beautiful marquise, except for a trifle.” Even one out of ten will hit the bridge - and hello ferry. But these are “little things”, most of them were intercepted!

This once again shows (and proves) that there is no unambiguous thesis on this issue. And any position will be justified: both yours and your opponents. Did one out of ten break through? Yes, this is really bad and dangerous. One rocket also means destruction (and sometimes life). But what now? Shouldn't we be happy that nine were intercepted, and that in the end the destruction was ten times less than it could have been?

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

But what now? Shouldn't we be happy that nine were intercepted, and that in the end the destruction was ten times less than it could have been?

So rejoice, whoever is against it. Just why be happy about the made-up statistic of 1 in 10 people shot down? Where were so many ATAKMS shot down? Chatter about spherical horses in a vacuum. But the strikes on Berdyansk and Lugansk, where more than a dozen aircraft were destroyed or disabled and caused great harm, is a reality that somehow does not fit with this article from a “British expert” about the “ineffectiveness” of ATAKMS. Who knows what it was like there? At least there was no talk of intercepted ATAKMS. And in general, no one is bothered by the fact that the article itself is strange, with strange conclusions, saying that all these Khimars, Javelins, etc. did not help the Armed Forces of Ukraine. If the Ukrainian Armed Forces were now fighting for Lvov, and the rest of the territory was under the Russian Federation, then this could be frozen, since Ukraine would have nothing to fight with. But just from the beginning of the operation, Bayraktars, Javelins and NLAVs played a big role, causing large losses in equipment columns for tens of kilometers. Later, from the summer of 2022, the Khimars, despite the fact that there were only a few dozen of them, greatly helped the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the spring-autumn 2022 period, when they completely disrupted the logistics of BC and other materials. 155mm artillery was able to neutralize the 20-fold superiority of the Russian Armed Forces in artillery barrels in just over a year. ATAKMS is a missile, not a ballistic missile, with a very tricky flight path and speeds. Those that are currently used are not the most modern and not particularly long-range, but they have more than 900 kg of warheads and high accuracy. There are rumors that so far only 24 pieces have been handed over. I suppose they are waiting for the Germans to move when those Taurus drive up. The Germans, of course, are dragging their feet, as they are trying to reduce the performance characteristics of the Taurus so that it does not hit the territory of the Russian Federation within the borders of 1991. After the Germans finally give the Taurus, it is believed that more modern ATAMS with a range of 300+ km will follow. And this must be taken seriously, as well as future deliveries of the F-16 Blok52, which may appear at the front in the winter.

[Defender 9993]

Even the brake system on your car is not 100% guaranteed.
Therefore, your claims to the air defense system are inadequate and unfounded.

[dmi.pris1]

They fired ten missiles at the target. They caught the missiles, say, six. Most of the four hit. Question: Was the target hit or not? I repent that it was hit. If someone doesn’t like it, ask those who were at the airfield in Berdyansk. Effective, or not so effective

[isv000]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

They fired ten missiles at the target. They caught the missiles, say, six. Most of the four hit. Question: Was the target hit or not? I repent that it was hit. If someone doesn’t like it, ask those who were at the airfield in Berdyansk. Effective, or not so effective

An air defense effectiveness of 80% is already a success. Every Palestinian plumber now knows how to overload the air defense system...

[karabas-barabas]

Firstly, the missiles of Hamas and Hezbolah are no longer the same tubes as they were 20 years ago, the latest versions are quite modern missiles with even some accuracy and higher speed, since Hamas and Hezbollah are heavily immersed in this matter and they even have their own engineers and design bureaus There is. Then you need to take into account the distances and the number of missiles fired at a time, and taking into account all this, Israel’s air defense/missile defense system is doing an excellent job; not a single military installation, or even a military one, was hit by these missiles. But Hamas does not fire at military targets, but deliberately fires at residential areas with thousands of loose rockets and to protect 100% in this case, the task is very difficult and still, according to my Israeli air defense, I can give a rating of 5+ for the result. The air defense of the RF Armed Forces at the front is faced with completely different problems, not with salvos of thousands of simple small-radius ballistic missiles over a large area, but with attacks from several, but modern missile defense systems and ballistic missiles, and against certain point targets. That is, the air defense officers guarding the helipad know exactly the places where they will presumably hit and from which direction it will arrive. And they still miss it. But they miss it not because of the number of attacking missiles, as in Israel, but because of the quality of the missile launchers and ballistic missiles, which are accompanied by a missile trap, a greatly reduced EPR like Scalp, or the speed and flight path of Khimars/ATAKMS missiles. This distinguishes them from the Cold War missile and ballistic missile systems, which are mainly targeted at missile defense. If in the case of Israeli air defense, for greater efficiency, you simply need more air defense missile systems, in the case of Russian air defense/missile defense, you need to technologically improve the radar and computing power.

[Defender 9993]

In the case of Israeli air defense, there is no need to sleep on the b/d. And rely less on automation. The air defense troops sucked under the pile. Period.

[karabas-barabas]

There, without automation, there is no way to digest volleys of thousands of missiles, in volleys of several hundred in a short time and distance. It is the automation that determines which missiles are flying past, so as not to waste the missile defense system. It’s unlikely that they slept, and considering the number of missiles for several cities, they still managed well.

[lukash66]

Yes, no one doubted this. And the fact that they missed one or two is the first damn thing. The trumpets fly over the Jews and nothing is heard, no particular howling can be heard.

[Murmur 55]

lukash 66 , Israel’s society is more consolidated, but in our country some volunteer for S.V.O., some go to Georgia as a runner, some volunteer for harnesses and quadcopters, some for Arbenina’s ticket. Yes, in Israel there are also “frightened” people, but there are much fewer of them and they behave much quieter.

[nickname7]

And the fact that they missed one or two is the first damn thing

5 helicopters in Berdyansk destroyed; the helicopter costs 1 billion rubles.

[Architect]

Quote: nickname7

5 helicopters in Berdyansk destroyed; the helicopter costs 1 billion rubles.

In this case, the carelessness of the military who did not bother to build at least temporary caponiers from sandbags or gravel is incomprehensible.

[AC130 Gunship]

And who needs it? "Pocket" subcontractors of generals take on work where they can manage a budget with big zeros. And here you are talking about sandbags

[Escariot]

Quote: nickname7

And the fact that they missed one or two is the first damn thing

5 helicopters in Berdyansk destroyed; the helicopter costs 1 billion rubles.

The price of a helicopter is now a purely secondary factor. Even if you have the money to buy it, you will not be able to buy it right now in the absence of production capacity. From 2008 to 2022, 170 Ka-52s were produced, which gives approximately 13 helicopters per year. And it is unlikely that it will be possible to quickly increase production

[Mikhail Maslov]

The most interesting thing is that it was our so-called “experts” who, willingly or unwillingly, promoted the “threat” from these missiles. Not everything is as simple as it seems at first glance, the enemy is learning and I’m sure there will soon be another use for these missiles. This is just a test. But “Devil” is not as scary as he is portrayed.

[Grits]

Quote: Mikhail Maslov

The most interesting thing is that it was our so-called “experts” who, willingly or unwillingly, promoted the “threat” from these missiles.

Probably because they were made in the USA, who are worshiped as celestial beings and manufacturers of miracle weapons. Although, if you compare the ATTACKS in the British Storm Shadow, they will turn out to be much more effective. And you need to be more afraid of them than of the Americans.

[rotmistr60]

It is strange that a British magazine writes about the ineffectiveness of American missiles. Likewise, our Anglo-French Storm Shadows quickly learned to intercept them. But here I agree with the British

Russia demonstrates an amazing ability to quickly adapt to any type of weapons supplied by the West

[dmi.pris1]

Explain this to the widows of the sea plant workers in Sevastopol..

[Defender 9993]

And you explain to the widows of the Naval Special Forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, whose husbands were killed right at the formation in Ochakov

[HAM]

Today our moderators are citing some strange articles, the Kohls do not want to use supplied Western equipment, the West themselves are disappointed with their missiles, or Western tanks are too heavy..... there are two answer options - "range" tests at the range " Ukraine" in real conditions, showed the shortcomings of the technology and will now be taken into account....or is the selection this wishful thinking.....

[Frettaskyrandi]

Some strange articles are being published today by our moderators

They are not strange, they are distorted in order to pass off what is desired as reality, and, moreover, distorted beyond recognition. In fact, the article has a completely different content. Just the opposite.
Two main ideas of the article.

ATACMS missiles alone will not change the situation in Ukraine

That is, the author says that a set of measures is needed.
And the second.

Russia's 'red lines' have turned out to be no more than a very pale pink. Beyond the prospect of Western-supplied weapons being used against the Russian mainland, which also remains a taboo amongst Kyiv's backers, there does not seem to be any conventional system that really would trigger a serious response from the Kremlin

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Transfer.
Russian red lines turned out to be pale pink, and, according to the author, any weapon can be supplied, and there will be no reaction from the Kremlin.
Original article here.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/atacms-missiles-alone-wont-change-the-game-in-ukraine/

[phrases]

100% air defense does not exist. Therefore, there are concerns, especially since the long-haired gang will attack anywhere. Many experts point not so much to the interception itself, but to tracking, reconnaissance and instant response to launchers.

[Berserk23]

The question is quantity....If 100 ATACMS strike at once there will be heavy losses...Ignoring Western weapons is stupid, they are also very effective

[Repellent]

Quote: Berserk23

If 100 ATACMS hit at once there will be heavy losses...

Hmm... less than 1700 of them were produced, almost 400 were spent in Iraq alone.

What I mean is that there are about 1000 of them “alive” now +/- not a lot.

[orionvitt]

It was the HIMARS MLRS that really messed things up. So much so that due to problems with logistics (both crossings were under fire) we had to leave the right bank.

[konst]

The picture was shown from Berdyansk - it was painfully accurate, as it were... the boundaries of the traces in the size of the targets. It can’t be that way. Deza probably

[Escariot]

Quote: konst

The picture was shown from Berdyansk - it was painfully accurate, as it were... the boundaries of the traces in the size of the targets. It can’t be that way. Deza probably

So the “traces” are not from missile warheads, but from secondary detonations and burnt fuel. Submunitions from ATAKMS are smaller than a hand grenade and are not able to leave any traces visible from satellites, but damaging and setting fire to a helicopter is a feasible task.

[runway-1]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

They fired ten missiles at the target. They caught the missiles, say, six. Most of the four hit. Question: Was the target hit or not? I repent that it was hit. If someone doesn’t like it, ask those who were at the airfield in Berdyansk. Effective, or not so effective

They wrote about Berdyansk and Lugansk, it seems. According to the pictures and messages, the picture is so-so for us...

[alebdun2000]

The fact that Russian air defense is effective is clear, but there cannot be 100% protection, and therefore there will be flights and they will be very painful, because in their hearts our people want 100% victory, like in the movies.

[Reznov]

ATACMS is just a simple supersonic ballistic missile. Even the old Soviet Tochka-U is harder to intercept because that's hypersonic, and Russia has been shooting those down. Sometimes they can overload the air defense and cause some surprises, but it will have minimal effect on the overall situation.

[AC130 Gunship]

Statistics are classified. And what “most of” is can be discussed for years. For example, in business it is enough to have 51%. And it doesn’t matter at all who owns the remaining 49 and how

[AC130 Gunship]

Quote: konst

The picture was shown from Berdyansk - it was painfully accurate, as it were... the boundaries of the traces in the size of the targets. It can’t be that way. Deza probably

Of course it's misleading. It’s not crazy - it’s only when Konashenkov’s head speaks in a zombie box

[BorzRio]

Oh, these experts... Let’s imagine that, for example, some kind of provocation occurred. For example, an American reconnaissance plane with its crew and operators was shot down. And supposedly Russia shot it down. And the USA decides to show who’s boss and arranges a one-time flogging. Attacks with such missiles, for example, ships of the Black Sea Fleet in
Sevastopol and Novorossiysk. All the largest ones are what's left. The United States officially has about three thousand of these missiles. With different warheads and range. Plus from airplanes. They are launching an example from Romania. 80-100 missiles are heading towards targets. As this British expert writes, ineffectiveness is when 40% of the missiles reach the target... In total, 30-40 missiles will slip through the air defenses and hit ships near the walls and important infrastructure. The Black Sea Fleet will immediately cease to exist. So, it’s not efficiency, it’s when you release a packet of Grad every day from a distance of 20 km, and 99% of you fly away into the fields. But it’s a very colorful salvo on TV for elderly men and women. It’s not effective, it’s shooting NURS from a helicopter frame. And hundreds of such inefficiencies. And 40% of missiles breaking through the missile defense system and hitting the entire target is highly effective. It's all about the number of launches in the attack. And blue sets the amount of interception of enemy air defenses and is offset by the number of deceptions, false targets and a simple increase in the number of missiles launched.

[Botanologist]

Comparing the Grad with a guided missile is a bit of ignoring the materiel.
And as for NURS from pitching up, there is no need to elevate your armchair theories to absolutes. Real combat pilots have the opposite opinion.

[gabs]

What difference does it make to the Americans, they still need to be disposed of somehow. However, air defense missiles are expensive.