The deputy head of the Russian Guard for the DPR spoke about the problems of fighters of republican formations that are not part of the Russian Defense Ministry system

Deputy Head of the Russian Guard for the DPR, Alexander Khodakovsky, spoke about existing problems regarding the provision of proper medical care to soldiers of republican military formations that are not included in the system of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

In his Telegram channel, Khodakovsky recalled that these formations, before the start of the Russian special operation in Ukraine and the annexation of the DPR and LPR, conducted military operations against militants of the Kyiv regime on the front lines of the front. After the start of the Northern Military District, units of the DPR Ministry of Internal Affairs often marched at the forefront of the Russian army, successfully completing assigned combat missions.

Meanwhile, relations between various power verticals, as a rule, are not easy, and this, unfortunately, often affects specific people. There are often cases when fighters who are part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and who show no less heroism than military personnel of units of the Russian Ministry of Defense, are much less likely to be nominated for state awards. Thus, in one of the battalions, thirty of whose soldiers were killed and one hundred and fifty-six were wounded, only nine soldiers were nominated for awards.

In addition, according to Khodakovsky, after the transformation of volunteer units into official ones, certificates with seals of former volunteer battalions were no longer recognized, which significantly complicated some procedures.

Khodakovsky also emphasized that, in addition to awards, there are other situations that are difficult to explain. For example, two soldiers who were part of the DPR Ministry of Internal Affairs and were treated in medical institutions of the Ministry of Defense were discharged from the hospital immediately before undergoing prosthetics, being recognized as “strangers.” They were provided with the necessary emergency assistance, but were denied prosthetics, citing the fact that they did not belong to the military department.

The deputy head of the Russian Guard for the DPR recalled that in the trenches fighters are not divided into departments and such an attitude is unacceptable.

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[SS68SS]

were discharged from the hospital immediately before prosthetics, being recognized as “strangers”

“ALIENS” are sitting in Kuev, and everyone who is in the Donbass and especially in our trenches is all OURS and shame on the bureaucrats who don’t understand this

[Al manah]

The main thing is that everyone in the Kremlin, the State Duma and the General Staff sits on their own, and they have no problems - this is the key to both the successful conduct of the SVO and all our other successes and achievements.

[Vrotkompot]

There are 1 more stupid readers on the site who don’t understand sarcasm at the time of writing this comment than adequate ones)))

[ivan2022]

Quote: SS68SS

were discharged from the hospital immediately before prosthetics, being recognized as “strangers”

“ALIENS” are sitting in Kuev, and everyone who is in the Donbass and especially in our trenches is all OURS and shame on the bureaucrats who don’t understand this

No.... but.. Or maybe it’s something you don’t understand? This is already funny, citizens are straight out of the woods..... . The morals of our blessed society are such that everyone “does his job.” And on everyone else he laid

They do this because this is how we do it. Can you even understand THIS?

If, for example, ".. the fool of the air defense man." they will order to shoot down a Russian Aerospace Forces plane, he will also do his job.... What has already happened....

And at least the bureaucrat didn’t kill anyone..... There is already such a meme: “our main achievement is that today we didn’t kill anyone of our own”

[igorbrsv]

Yes, no matter how unfortunate it may be. But the doctor issuing certificates is also bound hand and foot by regulations. The state is a large and complex bureaucratic machine, regardless of the political system. Understanding and regret are not enough here. We cannot live without the law - this is anarchy. But changing and adjusting the law is a long process. The main problem is to convey to the government about the existence of the problem itself. And there you just have to wait, sometimes for a very long time. But let's hope. Once the problem has been brought to the surface, it will be solved. And rather positively. But it's a matter of time

[Alex777]

There are simply no words. How is that?
And who can influence this?
Again, it’s impossible to solve without GDP?
I'm already fed up with parochialism...

[cpls22]

The Ministry of Internal Affairs needs to be shaken since they are fighting. Or is the Russian Guard already a separate structure?

[Alex777]

Our soldiers at the front are fighting for Russia.
And dividing into friends and strangers is sabotage.

[cpls22]

divide into friends and strangers

this was said in common parlance, in the everyday sense. And in everyday life, there will always be an economy of this, an economy of that. No other way. Without an owner, a particular “farm” will be a mess. So we need to ask a specific business executive for this mess - through the National Guard. Khodakovsky correctly raised the question so that they could begin to understand. If the Republican National Guard does not have enough resources, they should be allocated. A routine that requires attention and competent leadership, rather than searching for pests.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from cpls22

So we need to ask a specific business executive for this mess - through the National Guard.

Yeah... from the deputy head of the Main Directorate of the Russian Guard for the DPR.

[Sergej1972]

The Russian Guard was not initially part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. This is a separate structure.

[mitlantecutli_zen]

Eso es vergonzoso y decepcionante, debe ser resuelto cuanto antes.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote from: mitlantecutli_zen

Eso es vergonzoso y decepcionante, debe ser resuelto cuanto antes.

This is confusing and frustrating and needs to be resolved asap.

why should I look for this in a translator? write in Russian.perché dovrei cercarlo nel traduttore? scrivi in ​​¿por qué debería buscar esto en el traductor? escribe en ruso.russo.quampiam adoptione traducitur? scripsit et russiam.

[Spanish45]

Quizás habrá que escribir en ucraniano?

[moreman78]

were discharged from the hospital immediately before prosthetics, being recognized as “strangers”

Formally, everything seems to be in accordance with the law. The Ministry of Defense and the Russian Guard are different departments, they have their own budgets....
Now let legislators and officials solve this problem!

[restless]

There is a joint headquarters of a group of troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense, so why not create joint hospitals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, everyone receives injuries the same, but a soldier from the Ministry of Internal Affairs is sent to the military medical academy, and a soldier from the Ministry of Internal Affairs to a subordinate hospital where the level of medical care is an order of magnitude lower, like and software and where the probability of getting lost is much greater. And also, if a specialist from the Ministry of Internal Affairs is seconded to a unit of the Ministry of Defense, none of the commanders of the Ministry of Defense will give awards to him, although he will not offend his own, so it turns out, as always, to whom the bunks and to whom the Canaries...

[km-21]

The question is certainly interesting. On the one hand, people who sincerely shed blood for Russia are certainly offended by this attitude. But on the other hand, what prevents them from entering the structure of the Russian Defense Ministry? Unfortunately, there are cases when Makhnovshchina led to undesirable consequences. Therefore, Russia quite reasonably has the right to demand from the defenders of the Fatherland complete centralization of control. And if someone does not agree, then they must understand all the consequences of their decision.

[AAK]

You are a funny person, colleague of km-21, but we do not have an individual choice of affiliation in view of the armed forces and the branch of the military. If the unit belongs to the same Russian Guard, will individual soldiers write a statement asking to be considered military personnel of the Ministry of Defense? Or vice versa? EMNIP, even in the Second World War there were hospitals of the Red Army and the NKVD, colleagues, who are in the know, confirm or deny...

[km-21]

I had no doubt that there would be a bunch of not-so-thoughtful idiots who would downvote my comment. To avoid it being too funny, please note that the note is not about the Russian Guard, but about republican formations, which do not belong either to the Russian Guard or to the RF Ministry of Defense. In essence, these are independent organizations not bound by any obligations to the Russian Defense Ministry and fighting only at the behest of their souls. Do I need to explain why, from the point of view of Russia’s interests, this option is not very good?

You were probably deceived by the fact that Khodakovsky himself is an officer of the Russian Guard. But in this case, he did not write about his fighters. Learn to read correctly, gentlemen minusers.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: km-21

To avoid it being too funny, please note that the note is not about the Russian Guard, but about republican formations that do not belong to either the Russian Guard or the RF Ministry of Defense. In essence, these are independent organizations not bound by any obligations to the Russian Defense Ministry and fighting only at the behest of their souls.

The article talks about soldiers of the DPR Ministry of Internal Affairs. Which is currently being reorganized to Russian standards, with division into the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the RG. These organizations have no relation to the RF Ministry of Defense.
And responsibility for the most painless transition of DPR Ministry of Internal Affairs fighters to Russian structures (without loss of awards and representations to them) as well as for providing fighters with medical care through the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the RG lies, among other things, with the Deputy Head of the Main Directorate of the Russian Guard for the DPR.
I can’t help but remember Comrade Stalin’s telegram to one such “critic from the command”:

You have taken a comfortable position as an outside observer who is not responsible for what is happening on the Crimean front. This position is rotten through and through. You, as a representative of the Headquarters, are responsible for the successes and failures of the front.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: km-21

But on the other hand, what prevents them from entering the structure of the Russian Defense Ministry?

They are part of the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation. And, accordingly, it is these structures that should present fighters for awards and provide assistance to the wounded. Why do they have every opportunity?

[AdAstra]

What are these “republican formations” again? Now this is a subject of the Russian Federation and everyone should be either in the Ministry of Defense, the Russian Guard, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. and so on.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from AdAstra

What are these “republican formations” again? Now this is a subject of the Russian Federation and everyone should be either in the Ministry of Defense, the Russian Guard, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. and so on.

These are rudiments of the past - the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the DPR is still in the process of reorganization and integration into Russian structures, with a division into the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the RG.

[Yura]

To hell with these interdepartmental obstacles and the division of funding with quotas, there should be one criterion - participation in hostilities, this should be enough to provide all the necessary services to a serviceman of any department, who, by chance, finds himself exactly where he is at the moment, without any reference to belonging to one department or another. The soldier doesn’t care what departmental institution he is in; for him, this is the state to which he has given everything.

[rocket757]

Such problems cannot be solved without a kick from above... but you still have to reach out to those at the top.
However, if the problem is not hushed up, there will be movement, and there will definitely be a result.

[Ivan№One]

Well, these are questions for Kolokoltsev and Irina Volk, how does this happen.
and in general, why are the Ministry of Internal Affairs employees on the front line - not their profile at all

An employee of the Russian Guard reveals the mistakes of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? will he get a slap or is he given the go-ahead?

[nepunamemuk]

The wolf has already made “prosthetics” for herself
interesting at your own expense or at the expense of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

[Sergej1972]

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the DPR and LPR includes combat units that are not included in the Ministry of Internal Affairs in other regions.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Ivan№One

and in general, why are the Ministry of Internal Affairs employees on the front line - not their profile at all

Because the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the independent DPR copied the old structure, without division into the police of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the operational units of the RG. Therefore, before the reorganization, they had the same situation as we had in both Chechen regions, when the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the riot police fought together with the army.

Quote: Ivan№One

An employee of the Russian Guard reveals the mistakes of the Ministry of Internal Affairs?

RG employee flogged himself ©. Because the claims he voiced relate not to the Ministry of Defense, but specifically to the republican bodies of the RG, to which all operational units of the old Ministry of Internal Affairs are transferred. The RG for the DPR should be in charge of integrating the fighters of the old Ministry of Internal Affairs into the new structure, providing them with medical care and awards.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote from cpls22

The Ministry of Internal Affairs needs to be shaken since they are fighting. Or is the Russian Guard already a separate structure?

To understand the situation, it is enough to remember 2014.
Then the Ukrovermacht fired at Slavyansk.
I.I. Strelkov never received help from Khrdakovsky.
Although his group had tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, the tasks performed by the people with whom Khodakovsky worked were very “specific” (Akhmetkina’s defense).
Now there is a good documentary on RTD: “The Road to Slavyansk.”
It shows how an unruly city is being ironed by the Nazis with 122, 152 mm guns, MLRS Hurricane and Grad.

Strelkov’s fighters had nothing to answer..
Nobody helped him.

The fact that the SVO is not going as quickly and smoothly as we would like is the fault of the schemers who banned the holding of a second referendum on joining Russia.
The fault of those who abandoned fighters and civilians in 2014, relying on the “agreement” that would ensure the non-aligned status of Ukroreich.

The Nazis wanted to sneeze at these shameful Minsky 1,2,2s 1/4.
They realized that we swallowed the shelling of Slavyansk, saw how Aslanbek Dudayev (nee Surkov) abandoned the fighters of the first Minister of Defense of the DPR, I.I. Strelkov, without help.

And they made the only conclusion: “if they (Russia) have not done anything to us (Ukraine), when we are so weak, then we can wipe our feet on them. And for the sake of appearance, we will sign the worthless toilet paper in Minsk.”

But even now, being in comfortable exile, Dudayev/Surkov continues to probe the ground for reconciliation with the West, writing sweeping, flattering articles about the union of the Western world and Russia.

But will the West believe this nonsense?
Or is this article intended for a fifth, corrupt column preparing an agreement, following the example of the shameful Minsk, or even Brest?

https://t.me/RDS_official_smi/1096

[Alexey RA]

There are often cases when fighters who are part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and who show no less heroism than military personnel of units of the Russian Ministry of Defense, are much less likely to be nominated for state awards.

Which department should nominate MIA soldiers for awards? And why does the Ministry of Internal Affairs, knowing about the stinginess of the military when it comes to awards for “strangers,” not take care of its own?

[Tests]

“They were provided with the necessary emergency assistance, but were denied prosthetics, citing the fact that they did not belong to the military department.” - a normal, balanced bureaucratic answer. Otherwise, tomorrow the lazy counterintelligence operative serving the hospital will reveal corruption - it was not a military serviceman of the Ministry of Defense, nor a pensioner of the Ministry of Defense or a member of their families who received prosthetics. If he delivers a stick while standing, an offense has been detected. And how is the relationship with the head of the hospital, how is the performance of the officer in operational activities, how is the relationship with the prosecutor. They can also initiate a criminal case - the investigator of the investigation department also needs to earn "sticks", but here there is no special need to investigate anything, he opened a criminal case, in the card he emphasized what needs to be done. The number of criminal cases initiated in the investigative department of the Investigative Committee increased by 1 (one). Or you can also create a criminal group: the attending physician, the head. department, financial department of the hospital. Everyone is happy: the detective, the investigator, and the prosecutor. And after a month the criminal case can be terminated, due to insignificance. Or you can... and send it to court, another card is filled out and everything that is needed is underlined in it, and the number of criminal cases sent by the investigative department to the court has increased by 1 (one). Let the military court dismiss the case, because the number of cases examined by the court is one of the most important indicators.
And the wolves are full, and the sheep are intact...
“In addition, according to Khodakovsky, after the transformation of volunteer units into official ones, certificates with seals of former volunteer battalions were no longer recognized, which significantly complicated some procedures.” But let the guys have the certificates notarized and keep them for the rest of their lives, the originals with themselves, notarized copies with their parents, siblings or children. God bless them!!!
On January 13, 1990, the 103rd Airborne Division, already transferred to the USSR PoV, was transferred to Baku from the BSSR. There, a column of 350 PDP, lost in the city, came under fire, but suppressed the extremists and reached the main forces. Then 3 months in Nakhichevan: they restored the state border, served as expected, although sometimes they entered the adjacent territory. Officers and warrant officers received preferential service, but conscripts from the Ministry of Defense archives received an answer that there were no documents in the archives. The order to conduct battalion exercises based on the results of the winter training period in the Nakhichevan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic in April 1990 is not the basis for accruing preferential service to former sergeants and conscript soldiers of the USSR Armed Forces... Bureaucracy is always bureaucracy...

[bone1]

Why are they not included in the Russian Defense Ministry system?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Bone1

Why are they not included in the Russian Defense Ministry system?

But because they are either the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the RG. And their native departments should deal with them, without shifting this onto the shoulders of the Ministry of Defense.

[Million]

As always happens with us.
The SVO will end and they will forget about the fighters.
There is no need to go looking for examples.