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The serviceman sewed the ears of his colleague and threaded a nose with scissors

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Another creepy историяrelated to the Dagestan serviceman was "voiced" before the New Year

The serviceman sewed the ears of his colleague and threaded a nose with scissors
Dmitry Bochkarev with LCN


Thus, the prosecutor of the Mulinsky garrison Vitaly Potaskuev 27.12.2012 of the year reported to the press that the investigating authorities had completed the investigation of the criminal case against a soldier of military unit No. XXUMX (Mulino, Volodarsky district, Nizhny Novgorod region), who is charged under Article XXNX Art. 06709 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (intentional infliction of grievous bodily harm, negligently resulting in the death of the victim), part 4 art. 111 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (violation of the statutory rules of the relationship between military personnel in the absence of subordination between them, entailing serious consequences) and part 3 Art. 335 of the Criminal Code (illegal imprisonment).

Currently, the criminal case was sent to the Nizhny Novgorod Garrison Court.

The press service of the Military Investigation Department of the TFR of the Russian Federation in the Western Military District reported the circumstances of this criminal case.

A junior sergeant of the military unit No. XXUMX (Mulino) Ali Rasulov will appear before the court. According to the investigation, junior sergeants Rasulov and Dmitry Bochkarev together served in the conscription service in this military unit.

In mid-June, 2012, both were sent to the hotel complex of the military unit stationed in the village of Mulino, for its protection and maintenance of order in the territory.

According to the investigation, in the period from July 1 to August 13, on the territory of the Rasulov hotel complex, violating the statutory rules of relations between military personnel, Bochkarev was beaten and humiliated his honor and dignity.

He did this with the help of various objects at hand: a wooden handle, a shovel, a round wooden leg from a stool, a metal handle from the bed, a metal chain, a rubber hose, and also hands and legs with particular cruelty.

In addition, the accused systematically, under the threat of violence, forced Bochkarev to take a pose called “half-burnt”: Bochkarev had to stand on half-bent legs with his arms outstretched, and Rasulov struck him with his legs in each case as he changed position.

To bruises were less noticeable on the body Bochkareva attacker forcibly forced him to get into the pool with cold water.

The investigation believes that Rasulov illegally held the victim against his will in the earthen cellar, placed in non-residential premises of the hotel complex, tied hand and foot with tape, and restricted in communicating with relatives and friends, not allowing to call via cellular communication.

In addition, the sadist cut the victim with a piece of cartilage tissue of the nose with a manicure scissors, and also repeatedly sewed up the ruptures of the left ear caused by a household needle and thread.

On the morning of August 13, Rasulov found Bochkarev lying on his bed with no signs of life. To hide the fact of his death, the attacker hid the body on the same day in the boiler room of the hotel complex, where he was later found.

Judicial doctors have established that the injuries that caused the death of a person were caused to Bochkarev during his lifetime.

The deceased was drafted into the army during the autumn 2011 draft of the year from Saratov.

The mothers of the deceased soldier reported the death of their son 13 August. People from the military registration and enlistment office came home and reported the news: Dima was found murdered. According to preliminary data, Dima was killed by his colleague, with whom he guarded the bath. At first they said that the cause of death is suffocation. Then there was information that 2 had been mocked at him before this week and, finally, at the funeral, an employee of the military registration and enlistment office said that Dima died from a blow to the neck with armature ...

Source: Crime chronicle NN http://pn14.info/?p=125711

From myself I would like to add that not far from the place of the described events there is a disciplinary battalion, where about a third of its "variable composition" are soldiers of the "Caucasian draft", serving sentences for non-statutory relations.

This is not about inciting ethnic hatred, but it is also impossible to conceal reality! Apparently, in the Ministry of Defense, it is time for someone to think about it.
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  1. Averias
    Averias 8 January 2013 09: 52
    +93
    To have a leg from a stool and send pictures to their homeland, let them meet a "national" hero. But seriously, it's time to lift the moratorium on the death penalty, too much evil spirits trample the earth. And no matter what nationality, he is a non-human everywhere.
    1. Feanor
      Feanor 8 January 2013 10: 02
      +14
      Well, where did such m *** come from ...
      1. bask
        bask 8 January 2013 10: 26
        +30
        Quote: feanor
        It’s not about inciting ethnic hatred, but

        And then, if it’s not national hatred. If I killed Russian 100%, they qualified like that. If you killed ali, it means domestic life. That's all the lies and venality of today's power of Putin. They kill only Russians and get off with an article about the excess of self-defense. Ub .. ....
        1. VAF
          VAF 8 January 2013 11: 35
          +17
          Quote: bask
          That’s all the lies and venality of today's power of Putin.


          Dear, would you have already decided in the end on your position ????
          And then in yesterday's article about A.I. Lebed, the comments are the same, today are diametrically opposed ????
          Double Standards Policy ????

          PS Fulfilling your "wishes" I do not put emoticons ... although it would be worth it !!!
          1. bask
            bask 8 January 2013 13: 17
            +9
            Quote: vaf
            Dear, would you have finally decided on your position ???? And then in yesterday's article about A.I. Lebed there are only one comments, today are diametrically opposed ????

            I decided for a long time .. I’m Chuvash, I spoke not only about the swanhood of Swan in Khasavyurt. And about 500 thousand Russian militants who were abandoned to their own devices, living in Chechnya at that time. Signing with the terrorists, an agreement, which they did not intend to fulfill. Dobriy in 1996 of terrorists. This sadism was not from Caucasians ... AND THE MAIN THING THAT YOU ARE CREATING EVERYTHING, POSITION. SWAN. ,, DOUBLE STANDARDS, EMBLEMS .. YOU ARE THE RUSSIAN SOLDIER. AMOUNT OF THE KILLED COMMUNITY .. IS NOT SORRY ?????
          2. Chamber No. 6
            Chamber No. 6 8 January 2013 18: 22
            +1
            comments alone, today are diametrically opposed [/ b
            And how would you, dear, like to ?! What would - EVERYTHING, and, amicably - IN ROW?
            Isn't it time to smooth the trace of the cap?
        2. ughhh
          ughhh 8 January 2013 12: 46
          +28
          Because the churks mock the Russians because they were taught so, the Russians are cattle, this is possible. Nobody says: "hey, Russian, come here, I'll fix your nose with scissors." And ours, when they bring it, just come running in: "I'll kill you, non-Russian lump!" Two articles at once: 282 and the threat of murder.
          And all the problems are the incompetence of the officers. This is always the problem. A normal commander will not have any hazing. I would plant the officers along with these demons.
          1. Kite
            Kite 8 January 2013 14: 09
            +16
            Quote: ughhh
            Because chocks mock Russians

            - during my service there were several clashes, of which I will mention the following: our airborne unit was at the combined-arms range, since I, carrying an outfit in the kitchen, fought with a guy from Georgia, he with threats grabbed me by the HB gate, I twisted his arm and grabbed a large scoop, demonstrating the full seriousness of his perspective, that "cook" immediately cooled down and began to address more calmly and respectfully. The next time he grappled with our other (ours was smaller), but when he jumped out of the dining room after ours with a knife, we just took the knife from him and allowed him to "talk" on equal terms. He received a weighty, memorable lesson. ... But not only with foreigners it came to this, well, if they do not understand all the words, it is necessary to be able to explain with "gestures", hands when the threshold of compliance and complaisance is exceeded.
            1. Aleksys2
              Aleksys2 8 January 2013 14: 41
              +5
              Quote: Kite
              well, if not all words are understood, it is necessary to be able to explain with "gestures", hands when the threshold of compliance and complaisance is exceeded.

              Agree to 200%
            2. Nick
              Nick 8 January 2013 19: 59
              +1
              Quote: Kite
              but not only with foreigners it came to this, well, if not all the words are understood, it is necessary to use “gestures”, to be able to explain with hands when the threshold of compliance and complaisance is exceeded.

              THAT'S IT!
          2. Russian 72
            Russian 72 8 January 2013 16: 24
            +14
            I just can't understand! are they that for 2000 km from the fathers of the commanders in the remote taiga lived together? !!! How can this be overlooked? as?!!! First of all, to judge the commanders for pokh *** zm !!! It is significant to judge that everyone sees the reasons for their fucking *** ism!
            1. Maks111
              Maks111 9 January 2013 11: 10
              0
              Nobody will judge anyone indicatively, because they killed a Russian. They will judge for fear of yet another manezh. Now, if a Russian had killed a native of the North. The Caucasus would then be judged indicatively, so that even a good part of the world would know about it. Do you still not understand that "our" government is against us, it is for the Chechens, not for the Russians. This power is Russophobic. How do you not understand this. it is not for nothing that in Moscow there is a street of Akhmad Kadyrov, who at one time called for the killing of Russians.
          3. Allegedly
            Allegedly 8 January 2013 16: 34
            +16
            Quote: ughhh
            A normal commander will have no hazing


            In order to combat your narcissism or near-mindedness, I will allow myself a remake of one open letter



            Hello journalists and editors of Objective Gazeta!

            We forward for publication the appeal of Russian soldiers

            Aleisk Motorized Rifle Division



            Appeal of Russian soldiers of the Aleisk motorized rifle division

            to all patriotic and Russian human rights organizations


            We ask you to help us, as we are illegally accused of beating up servicemen from Dagestan, they are trying to hang on us the notorious "Russian" Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

            A commission came here to deal with the conflict, which consists entirely of non-Russians.

            It was like this, they began to replenish our part with immigrants from Dagestan, at first they behaved quietly, but then, when there were more of them, they began to establish their bestial orders.

            The first to be hit were Russian recruits, who were periodically beaten and burdened with tribute.

            We stood as filthy suckers watched as the owners of the mountains wet our countrymen.

            The following were hit by all the Russians in the unit, including the junior officers. No one from the leadership of the unit could solve this chaos. The officers closed their eyes in fear of being fired.

            Then we ourselves decided to protect ourselves from the arbitrariness of the aggressors.

            As a result, it turned out that these Caucasians made us accused, blamed all the Russians, arrived Caucasian officers built all the Russian officers, and at that time the battered Caucasians pulled and beat us one at a time, ten one.

            The prosecutor's office threatened that another trick on our part, and we were all jailed, they recommended that we endure. "Because you are Russian and your fate is to endure," said one of the prosecutors. And Caucasians generally threatened that their brothers who come here to help will get to our mothers, sisters, girls and rape them.

            Help us, Russian people. We are not allowed to contact the supervisory authorities in writing, even to write to parents, if our letter of help reaches, tell all Russian people about what happened.

            And yet, tell everyone: that the Russians can stand up for themselves, that one should never watch or endure how foreigners scoff at the Russians. May we be an example for all our guys, standing in front of each other in front of the beast, special thanks to the journalist from the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda, who practically wrote the truth about this incident.

            Russian soldiers of the Aleisk motorized rifle division


            This is how ...
            1. SAVA555.IVANOV
              SAVA555.IVANOV 8 January 2013 17: 02
              +4
              WELL DONE BOYS !! A PROSECUTOR AS ALWAYS ANNOUNCED !!!!! YOU COME TO US AT SEA TO RELAX ............. GRAS !!!!
            2. ughhh
              ughhh 8 January 2013 17: 46
              +5
              Quote: JACOB
              This is how ...

              Do you know what the problem is? In the commanders.
              1. Chamber No. 6
                Chamber No. 6 8 January 2013 18: 33
                +5
                Not in - commanders ...
                Not in the commanders!
                In morality ... More precisely, in its duplicity!
              2. OSTAP BENDER
                OSTAP BENDER 8 January 2013 20: 26
                +5
                Quote: ughhh
                Do you know what the problem is? In the commanders.

                Respected! The problem is anti-Russian parasitic power !!!
              3. Misantrop
                Misantrop 9 January 2013 02: 18
                +5
                Quote: ughhh
                Do you know what the problem is? In the commanders.

                ... in which the chief put a young slut with false claws one and a half longer than the skirt. And her stool lover. Should an officer be in the barracks at night? And to earn money as a taxi driver to pay for rental housing, who will be for him?
            3. OSTAP BENDER
              OSTAP BENDER 8 January 2013 20: 22
              +8
              Allegedly,
              Quote: JACOB
              As a result, it turned out that these Caucasians made us accused, blamed all the Russians, arrived Caucasian officers built all the Russian officers, and at that time the battered Caucasians pulled and beat us one at a time, ten one.

              And how do you like this scenario? The Tsar of All Russia is the great PU, the Russian people are slaves, the guardsmen, they are also Caucasians! And this is not a figment of my imagination! Russian military officers, rotted in prisons and killed, Chechens who cut the heads of our soldiers, the stars of the heroes of Russia! All major cities are teeming with Caucasians, but they are everywhere in all power structures! The word Russian, becomes a curse!
              1. Azazel
                Azazel 8 January 2013 22: 00
                -7
                Are you raving Do not wishful thinking.
                1. OSTAP BENDER
                  OSTAP BENDER 8 January 2013 22: 17
                  +4
                  Quote: Azazel
                  Are you raving Do not wishful thinking.

                  To begin with, work hard and master the "copy" function so that you can see who you are referring to! If I have a Ukrainian flag, this does not mean that I am an enemy! You just open your eyes, turn on your brains, and wiggle your convolutions. I promise you will be very surprised by the opening world! Add here, daily viewing of the news, instead of football and beer, then we will talk to you! With respect!
                  1. 9 January 2013 00: 58
                    -4
                    OSTAP BENDER,
                    and then ostap suffered ...
                    ostap, you are really raving. you will understand in your own country, and then you will tell us about our president.
                    Of course, I'm sorry for the guy, but what prevented him from reciprocating, so to speak? After all, to cut a nose is not a bream to get, for this you can use a razor to the neck, they were one on one. or should Putin personally harness for each? then what kind of army will it be? it’s our guys who sip beer for the most part, and they go in for sports. I would go in for sports since childhood, and the attitude would be different, respectful, this people respects strength.
                    Well, the commanders covering up such crimes, of course, are subject to trial. there is in all this disgrace and their fault.
                    1. OSTAP BENDER
                      OSTAP BENDER 9 January 2013 01: 31
                      +7
                      Quote: kos
                      and then ostap suffered ...

                      You want to say that they did not rot military officers in the sterns? What did not shoot them on the street? What do not give the former Chechen thugs of the heroes of Russia? What Caucasians do not scoff at young soldiers in the army? What do Caucasians not shoot on the streets of Moscow? That there are no strange deaths of military generals who have passed Chechnya? What nebylo betrayal in Chechnya? What do Caucasians not keep Moscow and other cities of Russia? What was not Kondopoga? That the Chechen investigators did not come home to the soldiers who served in Chechnya, and did not take them to Chechnya, and did not rot them in prisons? What did your president not know that Serdyukov was a thief and a lecher? What did not see that destroy the army and navy? I can bring many more facts, but, and this is enough!
                      You are raving if you do not see the obvious! Your post is nothing, you wrote, just to write, and try to stab me!

                      Quote: kos
                      Of course, I'm sorry for the guy, but what prevented him from reciprocating, so to speak? After all, to cut a nose is not a bream to get, for this you can use a razor to the neck, they were one on one. or should Putin personally harness for each? then what kind of army will it be? it’s our guys who sip beer for the most part, and they go in for sports. I would go in for sports since childhood, and the attitude would be different, respectful, this people respects strength.

                      This is your scripture complete nonsense! Are you suggesting the guy take a razor and slit the throat of a military man dealing with hazing? You recently wrote in your posts about Christianity and virtue. So is that double standards?
                      Quote: kos
                      you will understand in your own country, and then you will tell us about our president.

                      I do not divide Ukraine, Russia and Belarus into different countries, for me it is one country temporarily divided by the enemy! This enemy is sitting in Kiev and Moscow!
                      1. OSTAP BENDER
                        OSTAP BENDER 9 January 2013 01: 42
                        +4
                        Quote: kos
                        you will understand in your own country, and then you will tell us about our president.

                        Does that say the man with the Polish flag?
                      2. Chamber No. 6
                        Chamber No. 6 9 January 2013 12: 44
                        +2
                        with polish flag
                        Ostape, friend! Do not swords you beads! What, you don’t see that, pshek, dog Crave, you are bred ?!
                        It cannot even write in Russian literally, but can give advice there too!
                        By the way, dear Kos, do you know that the Severny Airport is functioning and is ready to receive guests ?! So, as they say - Welcome!
                      3. 10 January 2013 00: 02
                        0
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        Does that say the man with the Polish flag?

                        Well, you, ostapushka, didn’t recognize me? (Don’t think, now I’m writing without any banter yes ) We recently talked in you and the flags on all my posts are always Russian.
                        Only it was this message that I wrote from the tablet, and somehow this flag appeared in a completely strange way to me. My first suspicions appeared when I didn’t have to log in when I went from the tablet to the site, although there are no cookies on the tablet from this resource (you don’t know what is happening?).
                      4. OSTAP BENDER
                        OSTAP BENDER 10 January 2013 00: 30
                        0
                        Quote: kos
                        such a flag appeared to me in a strange way.

                        Fix tricks! lol
                      5. 10 January 2013 01: 44
                        0
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        Fix tricks!

                        And this is interesting. I somehow tried to access this site through a proxy server. The stump is clear I needed to log in, tk. they didn’t recognize me (IP was German). As soon as I entered my login and password and wrote a message, my flag was as always Russian. But this, in principle, is understandable, if I then created a new account, then I would be supposed to have a German flag (in accordance with IP).
                        So what happened to the Polish flag is a mystery to me ...

                        Damn Fix ...

                        By the way, regarding one people temporarily divided by the enemy, I completely agree. drinks
                        And with the fact that Putin is one of them, no.
                      6. OSTAP BENDER
                        OSTAP BENDER 10 January 2013 02: 12
                        0
                        Quote: kos
                        And with the fact that Putin is one of them, no.

                        Deep in my soul there is a hope that you are right! But the facts speak differently! I hope that I am wrong, and Putin is indeed the Russian president!
                      7. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 9 January 2013 02: 39
                        +3
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        You want to say that they did not rot military officers in the sterns? What did not shoot them on the street?

                        Do you see the difference between global processes in a huge state and a mess in a particular unit? Many times I wrote about this for various reasons, but I repeat - if the company commander doesn’t have to put the blame on the authorities, it’s enough to bring the platoons to life in his unit and appoint normal sergeants and there are so many levers that you can’t carry in two hands
                      8. Chamber No. 6
                        Chamber No. 6 9 January 2013 14: 20
                        +1
                        leverage under the charter
                        Absolutely right! Starting from the combination of space and time (from the fence, and up to - sunset!), And ending with the banal "removal of debris molecules from the waterway" using a toothbrush!
                      9. atalef
                        atalef 9 January 2013 14: 47
                        +3
                        Quote: Ward # 6
                        leverage under the charter

                        In general, according to the charter, you can fuck so that hazing seems like a paradise. I remember at the time of the expulsion of two representatives of the south drove (according to the charter) so that at first they forgot about all their show-offs, and then probably and what is their mother’s name. In a week, they became silk.
                      10. 10 January 2013 00: 41
                        0
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        You want to say that they did not rot military officers in the sterns? What did not shoot them on the street?

                        Yes, there was all this, don’t spray yourself like that (my cousin paratrooper fought in the first Chechen one, returned with a wound and an order for personal courage). We are considering a specific example of the so-called the interaction of two soldiers. I believe that on this issue I wrote everything correctly.

                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        What do not give the former Chechen thugs of the heroes of Russia?

                        Who do you mean? Kadyrov?
                        1) Are there any reliable facts that this man cut off the heads of captured soldiers?
                        2) for those who are capable of state and strategic thinking, this course of our leadership is understandable (an agreement with an adequate representative of local elites to normalize the situation in a complex and strategically important region of Russia).

                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        What Caucasians do not scoff at young soldiers in the army?

                        There are cases where they are bullied, there are cases where our guys (who did not suck beer on the porches, but who went in for sports) give a worthy rebuff and a certain status of the "quo" is observed, there are cases where commanders immediately suppress such shit ... mo, but there is a case where they take eyes. Life is multifaceted and varied. The problem is that you are oversimplifying everything. For you there are wild highlanders and lambs-Russian. But it's not always the case.
                        Not only Caucasians shoot, but also our other citizens (as well as cut and beat, etc.). Of course, there is a certain problem with the stay of these "comrades" in our cities, but it has several reasons:
                        1) banal corruption, when for the loot you can solve all the problems
                        2) our disunity and not always the willingness to help

                        In your message, you deduce the idea that this is almost a state policy. This is not so. But there is a problem, and it should be addressed by the appropriate people, not the president, who intervenes in every domestic conflict.
                        All that you list here are isolated cases, but you raise them to the rank of a system, to an absolute and make your own emotional conclusions (Kondopoga? Was (this is the fault of the local authorities), but in hundreds of other settlements this was not the case. This also applies to soldiers taken to Chechnya by "investigators", etc.)

                        About Serdyukov.
                        Your method continues to work. Was there really nothing positive during his tenure as minister (negati, of course, no one cancels)? Remember the army of 2000. Now radars are being built, exercises are being conducted both on land and at sea, our strategic missile carriers have resumed patrolling, our ships are constantly on sea trips, with a creak, but the rearmament of the army and navy has begun, military allowance has risen, etc. d. So all the same, was there something positive?
                      11. 10 January 2013 01: 30
                        0
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        This is your scripture complete nonsense! Are you suggesting the guy take a razor and slit the throat of a military man dealing with hazing? You recently wrote in your posts about Christianity and virtue. So is that double standards?

                        You understand everything too literally.
                        I just watched the movie "The Drunkest District in the World" here. So there, to the younger brother, who has just been otted as a kutenka, the elder says very correct words. In general, in any conflict, either two soldiers somewhere in a muhoska, or two military-political blocs, the psychological moment is very important: who is ready to go and how far.
                        I understand the feelings of the Russian guy: he does not need a conflict, he is trying to hush him up in every possible way, and certainly, he is not going to go to jail because of some mutant. And that little beast, judging by his actions (he didn’t set it for him), is ready to go very far (perhaps due to his stupidity). This is what determines the alignment of forces and the behavior of the parties. We often do not choose the situations we are in, but we choose a model of our behavior. This guy had a very difficult choice: a coffin (he should have understood that if he had already cut his nose with scissors) or prison. He chose the coffin.

                        About the same situation (just do not cling to the details, I hope you understand what I'm talking about) now in the Mediterranean Sea. Grouping of our and NATO ships. Everyone understands that this can lead to a global nuclear disaster (that is, the cost of error is very high). And again this question is: who is ready to go further? Do the NATO people think that the Russians will not dare to intervene in the conflict under the threat of a nuclear war and therefore start a clear aggression?
                        Will our leadership decide to respond in the event of an attack on Syria?
                        Who is the first to be scared and self-limited in actions?

                        it is not for nothing that they say that in a fight it is necessary to behave as harshly / brutally as possible, so that even in the event of an enemy victory, it would be a feast of victory. And, of course, he would not even think about any repetition.

                        Therefore, I try to teach my son (so far only the eldest) to give the most severe rebuff. If you attacked first, then you have no moral right to demand a humane attitude.

                        About virtue.
                        In Christianity, one of the ranks of holiness is the sufferers, i.e. those who did not resist and, so to speak, turned his second cheek, and turned her to death. But this is a personal choice of everyone and no one forbids a Christian to protect himself (and protecting the homeland and neighbor is generally a holy duty).
                      12. OSTAP BENDER
                        OSTAP BENDER 10 January 2013 02: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: kos
                        You understand everything too literally.

                        Yes, just a realist! You have written a lot, and in many respects I agree with you! I don’t want to pull quotes out of the text, in principle we have already discussed everything. I will say one thing, if Serdyukov does not sit down, then you will not be able to prove to anyone that Putin is a "people's" president! I despise the swamp but then, sadly, they won!
                      13. 10 January 2013 02: 41
                        0
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        I will say one thing, if Serdyukov does not sit down, then you will not be able to prove to anyone that Putin is a "people's" president!


                        Politics is a very complex interweaving of interests. And you don’t think that people like ministers are just appointed and removed like that?
                        We recall Litvinov’s People’s Commissar of Foreign Affairs from 1930 to 1939, Chubais of that time, a protege of world bankers. And what did Stalin endure for 9 years? All his deputies were shot as spies, but Litvinov is not. Moreover, after his removal in 1939, Stalin sent him an ambassador to the United States, after which the details of Litvinov’s conversation with the American reach our leadership. agent a reporter (from Molotov's memoirs "140 Conversations with Molotov"). In short, Litvinov spoke of the need for external military influence on the USSR, since there will be no prospects for sub-level activities from the inside.

                        And now Molotov is asked the question: "And how did Stalin forgive Litvinov?"
                        "Forgive me? You have to be more careful, you have to be more ceremonious," Molotov replied.

                        And it would seem that it’s difficult for Stalin to shoot some sort of commissar there.

                        We’ll see, but let's not be so quick to the court, especially since we know very little ...
                    2. GG2012
                      GG2012 9 January 2013 01: 47
                      +2
                      Quote: kos
                      you understand in your own country

                      Correctly spelled "in Ukraine". Is not it?!
                      Or the owners of "engineering and theological education", as you loudly argued in one of your comments, can write whatever they like ?!
                      1. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 9 January 2013 01: 58
                        0
                        Quote: GG2012
                        Correctly spelled "in Ukraine". Is not it?!

                        Actually, that's right - "in Ukraine". This is if in Russian. A "c" is if in Ukrainian
                      2. OSTAP BENDER
                        OSTAP BENDER 9 January 2013 02: 05
                        +2
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Actually, that's right - "in Ukraine". This is if in Russian. A "c" is if in Ukrainian

                        You are mistaken, right in Ukraine, in Russia! Not right in Ukraine, in Russia!
                      3. Misantrop
                        Misantrop 9 January 2013 02: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        right in Ukraine

                        And when did you manage to rewrite it? recourse Just don't say that it has always been this way. For half a century, it was "in the Ukraine" and "in Russia" that was correct. They began to speak "in Ukraine" about 10-15 years ago. And that's not all, and sometimes it began to slip
                      4. OSTAP BENDER
                        OSTAP BENDER 9 January 2013 02: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        And when did you manage to rewrite it? Just do not say that it has always been so.

                        "in Ukraine" - this is wrong, no one rewrote anything, although they rewrote a lot, but they didn’t rewrite this! I meet the phrase in Ukraine, even on the central Russian channels!
                      5. ikrut
                        ikrut 23 January 2013 18: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        right in Ukraine!

                        Actually, this is a modern "remake" of the spelling. Which, as it were, assigns an independent conceptual meaning to the word "Ukraine" (ie, at the edge, outskirts). In Russian it is correct to write "in Ukraine", although if the word "Ukraine" is interpreted as the name of a certain state-territorial independent entity (that is, a country), without taking into account its semantic meaning, then the spelling "in Ukraine" becomes correct. this and that. Whoever likes it and who brings what meaning to the context. IMHO.
                      6. 10 January 2013 01: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: GG2012
                        Correctly spelled "in Ukraine". Is not it?! Or the owners of "engineering and theological education", as you loudly argued in one of your comments, can write whatever they like ?!

                        ABOUT! You are so observant. You have probably noticed that all sentences begin with a small letter.
                    3. Chamber No. 6
                      Chamber No. 6 9 January 2013 12: 22
                      +1
                      this people respects power
                      In!!! And no demagogues, verbiage! First - in a nickle, and only then, if the opponent has a desire, you can talk! Say about art. About poetry. About high matters. Only at first - in a nickle! They do not respect power - THEY ARE AFRAID OF IT !!!
                      1. 10 January 2013 01: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Ward # 6
                        They do not respect power - THEY ARE AFRAID OF IT !!!

                        For many of them, fear and respect are synonyms, just like animal instinct.
              2. Misantrop
                Misantrop 9 January 2013 11: 12
                +1
                Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                And how do you like this scenario?
                Shitty script, to be honest. But ... from our release, if anyone managed to rise above cap-2 over the years of service, then these are just guys from national enclaves. All the rest of the cap-leit. and cap-3. This despite the fact that neither in the service nor in the education of those guys did not shine. This year we will have 30 years of release, I am texting with many, an interesting picture of this is looming ... recourse
                1. OSTAP BENDER
                  OSTAP BENDER 9 January 2013 11: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Shitty script, to be honest. But ... from our release, if anyone managed to rise above cap-2 over the years of service, then these are just guys from national enclaves. All other cap-leit. and cap-3. This despite the fact that neither in the service nor in the education of those guys did not shine.

                  Here you confirm my words! Look around, soon the word Russian will be abusive! There Jewish scum Kandelaki, on television, proved with foam at the mouth that the Russian nation no longer exists! Look, horrified! There the great Pu speaks out on this subject!
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0AMQAn_Kg4
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 9 January 2013 11: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                    soon the word Russian will be

                    We will see what will happen later. But now a slight contemptuous shade is already beginning to appear. Not a "sucker" yet, but already something similar. Disgusting, but true
                    1. OSTAP BENDER
                      OSTAP BENDER 9 January 2013 19: 30
                      +1
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      What will happen, then we'll see.

                      It may be too late! Look, I think you will be impressed!
                      http://via-midgard.info/news/in_russia/140-millionnuyu-rossiyu-xotyat-razbavit-7
                      0.htm
                  2. 10 January 2013 02: 28
                    0
                    Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0AMQAn_Kg4

                    Well, what are you, Ostap, really a stupid provocative movie.

                    To understand what Kandelaki says, you need to hear all her words, and not just taken out of context. In fact, this is a difficult question, and before you start it, you must always understand the terms. And then we can talk about one thing, but the interlocutor will understand another. The Russian nation as such certainly exists, in addition, according to Putin, the Russian people are the state-forming people, the foundation of Russia (he has been saying these words more and more recently. Starting, for example, from his election articles and ending with the last message to the federal assembly).
                    Here's an example:

                    We must protect the unique experience that our ancestors passed on to us. For centuries, Russia has developed as a multinational state - it was originally so - a state-civilization, held together by the Russian people, the Russian language and Russian culture, which are dear to us all, which unite us and prevent us from being dissolved in this diverse world.

                    For the planet, we, regardless of our ethnicity, have been and remain a single people. I recall one of my meetings with veterans. There were people of different nationalities: Tatars, Ukrainians, Georgians, and Russians, of course. One of the veterans, not a Russian by nationality, said: "For the whole world, we are one people, we are Russian." So it was during the war, it has always been so.

                    The words of this veteran are very accurate in essence. Previously, everyone was Russian, but not in the sense of nationality; Russian was citizenship.

                    Now, while speculating on real problems, Russia's enemies are hitting the weakest point - the multinationality of our state. And it doesn't matter who it is: the Wahhabis calling on the Tatars, Bashkirs, Caucasians, etc. separate from Moscow or our homegrown Nazis shouting "Russia for Russians", all these people are destroying our home. As the saying goes, "the devil has two hands"; if you refuse one extreme, he will gladly offer you another.

                    Perhaps I don’t know, Kandelaki had in mind how we would define Russians? By name? By parents?
                    My father’s father is German, his mother (my grandmother) is Ukrainian. My mother’s father and mother are Russian. I consider myself Russian. My Bashkir wife. Who are my children? Russians? I think and their name is Yaroslav and Gleb.
                    The concept of Russian is very broad. In my opinion, this is not just a people, it is a whole civilization with its own worldview, with its own system of values.
                    As one journalist recalled his trips around the USSR. Everywhere he was his own, everywhere he was understood (not even in the sense of language, but in the sense of a unified view of the world), he understood them, he was in a comfortable environment, like at home. Maybe that's why all these people considered themselves Russian, not nationally, but civilizationally, i.e. one worldview, one mentality, etc. And this journalist compares his feelings about being in the republics of the former USSR now. This is a completely different world, a different mentality, a different perception of the world, other goals, etc. Those. over the years (at least, new generations) they emerged from Russian civilization.

                    So, in my opinion (Putin, in my opinion, thinks the same), we need not to separate ourselves as a nation: we are Russian by nationality, and the rest of you go to the forest, and again to absorb / collect all the diversity of nationalities of our state in the so-called. Russian civilization (of course, there is no question of any "melting pot" that transforms peoples into some faceless "Russians").

                    I don’t know. I could convey my thought ...
            4. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 11 January 2013 17: 48
              0
              About Aleisk generally funny. about a dozen young boys from the Caucasus drove 2000 Russian airborne troops as children. or dudes shit or someone is lying.
        3. Maks111
          Maks111 9 January 2013 11: 32
          +1
          Although I am an anti-Stalinist, I regret Stalin about one unfinished business. (Well, when he wanted to overwhelm all Chichenov). He already has one sin less than one more, and now we live with these creatures.
      2. Rink
        Rink 8 January 2013 13: 02
        -13
        Well, why the heck to bring such "news" here? !!!!

        This should be of interest only to a narrow circle of specialists: military lawyers, psychiatrists, unit commanders (on duty). Perverts, mentally ill and sadists have always been and will be, but specialists should deal with them, and preferably even BEFORE they get the opportunity to "realize" themselves.

        А why this site to liken the yellow press and all sorts of rubbish, all rubbish with a scandalous darling to lift up ?!
        Eat that shit on any TV channel now - eat at least one place.

        I think that moderators in vain miss such publications here.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 January 2013 13: 05
          +13
          Quote: Skating rink
          Well, why the heck do such news bring here? !!!!

          This should be interesting only to a narrow circle of specialists:

          Judging by the number of comments you are very mistaken !!!
          1. Rink
            Rink 8 January 2013 15: 33
            +4
            Alexander Romanov, "mass character" does not mean "correctness".

            I think the information policy of the Soviet era is much more correct, when this type of "news" was not savored at every corner. Of course, such things should be punished quickly and harshly, but bringing it to the level of state news means prompting dozens of people with an unstable psyche ("under-examined" without help) "interesting" ideas.

            For preventive purposes, such information was previously reported to the media only after the "hero" was sent to serve a well-deserved sentence or "watchtower" (which was canceled completely in vain - in the same democratic USA, no one canceled it and is not going to). This made it possible to form an understanding of the inevitability of punishment for a crime. And if the "news" shines in all its glory before he was imprisoned - on the contrary, there is a feeling of impunity.

            In any case, the wrong policy to collect and bring to the surface this dirt ....
          2. Russian 72
            Russian 72 8 January 2013 17: 55
            +5
            Alexander, I partially agree with Igor ... As soon as an article about the USSR and the friendship of peoples appears, articles immediately appear on the likeness of this ... Given the mood in the country, the debate will obviously be, will be quite stormy ... and you know about it .. .
            Igor speaks correctly ... Show the result! What did this bastard deserve! show his face from the courtroom, show his parents, show the commanders! and you stop half a word, incite even more hatred, the story is not finished, everyone begins to think out ...
        2. SAVA555.IVANOV
          SAVA555.IVANOV 8 January 2013 13: 13
          +8
          These, as you say, "specialists" and will sell their own mother, performing their duties with gross mistakes. Can I still praise them?
          1. Rink
            Rink 8 January 2013 15: 47
            -3
            Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
            These, as you say, "specialists" and will sell their own mother, performing their duties with gross mistakes. Can I still praise them?

            If the "specialists" sell the mother, it will be another crime, and a reason for another investigation and another article. Do not lump together completely different things, and do not attribute to me what I did not say.
        3. Cadets
          8 January 2013 17: 06
          +8
          А why should this site be likened to the yellow press and all sorts of rubbish, all rubbish with a scandalous darling upstairs?


          If this is not brought up for discussion and not made public, none of those in power, incl. and the Ministry of Defense will not "scratch itself". And you, apparently, do not care, because for some reason you are not going to send your sons to urgent service, so your soul does not hurt! My youngest is in the Army two years later (the elder is graduating from the military institute this year, and I myself served a conscript and am serving now).
        4. DERWISH
          DERWISH 8 January 2013 17: 19
          +8
          and where else to take out? EVERYTHING SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE CAUCASUS ENTREPRENEUR !!! You have not yet seen that their young on the seas creates! hatred of the Russian from their birth! Or is such a colleague coming home from the army will be loyal to the Russian population? since you can’t touch the Caucasians according to the law then let the law be adequate to the same extent and to such idiots !!!
        5. Allegedly
          Allegedly 8 January 2013 21: 40
          +5
          Quote: Skating rink
          Well, why the heck to bring such "news" here? !!!!


          How exactly such things should be done publicly, and then the prosecutors will not have the opportunity to take on their paws and lower the case on the brakes, and quietly close for a long time those who dared to recall their human dignity ...

          I dare to suggest that if the article was about the unrestrainedness in the Ukrainian army, then your reaction would probably be different ... crying

          One of the most important tasks of this site is to bring injustice and arbitrariness to public flogging, to convey * petition to the king *, if the normal fails ...



          In Soviet times, there were no such things, and if it happened, then the guilty would simply be torn up for souvenirs, both civilian Themis and the military (prosecutor's offices, commandant's offices, special officers, etc.) ...
        6. pav-pon1972
          pav-pon1972 8 January 2013 22: 37
          -1
          I think that moderators in vain miss such publications here.
          I carefully follow the publications of this site and it worries me, because there is a lot of material on chauvinism, nationalism, as it were, by the way ... And since the site is located in Germany, they simply punch through the situation ... It seems to me that this is not the first time....
      3. serg1978
        serg1978 8 January 2013 13: 11
        +5
        From the mountain republics of our country. Easily distinguishable by last name (Rasulov and so on).
      4. Chamber No. 6
        Chamber No. 6 8 January 2013 18: 16
        +2
        Well, where did such m *** come from?
        Like everyone else! From - p ....... dy! By ski!
        And here, to the one who instilled such a point of view on others around him, personally I would have questions!
      5. Maks111
        Maks111 9 January 2013 11: 02
        -2
        Cut the entire northern Caucasus (except the Orthodox) to the last child!
      6. gendarm
        gendarm 10 January 2013 13: 39
        0
        From the mountains. Abreks ...
    2. YARY
      YARY 8 January 2013 10: 45
      +31
      I don’t know what the relatives of the deceased are thinking about, but I would have found an opportunity to kill the reptile by any means.
      1. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 8 January 2013 11: 39
        +22
        ml a sergeant of Caucasian appearance - send to the military field exit with the Airborne Forces ..... let him cough am
      2. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 8 January 2013 12: 04
        +17
        in general, it doesn’t interfere with killing relatives of the Dag, for sheep this is the norm
      3. sanek45744
        sanek45744 8 January 2013 12: 39
        +20
        these are big words! which anyone can say but not do !! it’s just US TIME for us to stop drinking drugs and all that like smoking and forget about tolerance and from childhood go to rocking and play sports !! but now you look at these wagons which you break into a snot get sick! then how these mountain children understand only power and not what more!
        1. serg1978
          serg1978 8 January 2013 13: 20
          +19
          Only, you know, these "vayaks", as you say, still send the army on the cambine to the harvesting room, spill from the conveyor belt in the mine, or work in the laboratory. And to the lumps - to squeeze women in restaurants, to cut them on bekhs, to beat their muzzles. You see, different muscles for different work. Everyone cannot be pitching. Yes, modern weapons do not require this.
          But where was their commander? Didn’t he see them for a month and a half? Who completed the group? Russian lean guy and this stocky monkey. Not a commander? Here it is necessary to ask them for death. Because because of such commanders, these deaths occur.
      4. Zabvo
        Zabvo 8 January 2013 14: 30
        +3
        And so it will happen.
      5. DERWISH
        DERWISH 8 January 2013 17: 21
        +4
        definitely !!!
    3. Trailer
      Trailer 8 January 2013 11: 21
      +7
      Call from the Caucasus. Well, of course, this is a prime necessity.
      1. black_eagle
        black_eagle 8 January 2013 11: 37
        +9
        No, they just need to be called up so that they would not think that they had broken Russia, but at the same time they should be frustrated so that the thought of death visited them more and more often, preferably from the military enlistment office to send freaks directly to the disbat
        1. sanek45744
          sanek45744 8 January 2013 16: 08
          +7
          when I was at the assembly point from Severodvinsk I had to see one picture !! I will not talk about everything, but I will tell you about one case! after passing the medical examination, we were told by the team who gets where! there was one losyara from the mountains under 2 meters tall in general health not at all offended, but when he was told that he was in the Marine Corps in Pechenga he BROWNED AND ASKED FOR BACK HOME !!!!!!!! like this
        2. Zabvo
          Zabvo 8 January 2013 19: 40
          +6
          For the upbringing of descendants, that's all, before it's too late. We already lost a lot in 91. And "hazing" was before, it is necessary to educate not the generation of "emo", etc., but normal boys with a normal worldview.
          1. A. Yaga
            A. Yaga 8 January 2013 20: 33
            +4
            Quote: ZABVO
            For the upbringing of descendants, that's all, before it's too late. We already lost a lot in 91. And "hazing" was before, it is necessary to educate not the generation of "emo", etc., but normal boys with a normal worldview.

            That’s exactly what I’m embarrassed to write. Guys, when will you start themselves educate their sons? Well, a single mother woman cannot raise a warrior man! The main upbringing is "do as I do". Personally, as a woman, I try to avoid conflict, even if I SHOULD kick it in the face. My position: hide or run away, then complain. What do we need such men?
    4. SenyaYa
      SenyaYa 8 January 2013 11: 44
      -7
      Do you know how many people were executed instead of chitakatilo ??? There should be no death penalty in our country, with such a stupid judicial system ... The plan must be made, they called him called a maniac, shot them ..... and the maniac is free .... and so 4 times
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 8 January 2013 12: 06
        +2
        one. already had a similar sentence, so that the dog canine death
      2. valokordin
        valokordin 8 January 2013 13: 06
        0
        Quote: SenyaYA
        Do you know how many people were executed instead of chitakatilo ??? There should be no death penalty in our country, with such a stupid judicial system ... The plan must be made, they called him called a maniac, shot them ..... and the maniac is free .... and so 4 p

        The judicial system has nothing to do with, they reveal the crime of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and earlier investigators of the prosecutor's office. The court only evaluates the collected materials and pronounces the verdict
    5. 11 black
      11 black 8 January 2013 12: 18
      +15
      I agree - you need such electric chairs, or at least cripple them so that for the rest of their lives they would regret not being killed! And all the relatives who grew this geek in the camp and for a long time!

      PS and our government still thinks - why are there so many deviators divorced, HERE IS THE ANSWER !!! What a normal person would join such an "army", eradicate it by any means, and the prestige of the service will immediately rise 100%!
      1. kvodrato
        kvodrato 8 January 2013 21: 56
        +1
        Quote: 11 black
        I agree - you need such electric chairs, or at least cripple them so that for the rest of their lives they would regret not being killed! And all the relatives who grew this geek in the camp and for a long time!

        PS and our government still thinks - why are there so many deviators divorced, HERE IS THE ANSWER !!! What a normal person would join such an "army", eradicate it by any means, and the prestige of the service will immediately rise 100%!

        I agree completely !!!!!!! 200%
    6. starshina78
      starshina78 8 January 2013 14: 37
      +13
      The trouble is that there was probably another colleague nearby — a Slav. But he did not stand up for his fellow tribesman. This happens everywhere. If the "snub-nosed" people start to rut, while others look and do not fit. Try to touch at least one "snub-nosed", and everyone who is there will come running, and ours will sit and think: "It's not me!" One kid, works for me as a driver, told how they brought up "snub-nosed". He also served in the Nizhny Novgorod region. These were almost half, and ours were slightly less. At first, the dags had the upper hand, but a boy came to the unit, who was not afraid to answer them. He gathered a bunch of real guys, chopped up the aromas and went to educate the Dag, when in the unit of the officers there was only one "teachable" on duty. They beat everyone who came across both right and wrong. Everything became like silk. The whole trouble is that if there are at least a dozen "snub-nosed" ones, they immediately try to crush everyone. Ours are crushed because of disunity. And we must put them right in place. They are the same when they get in the face.
      1. Russian 72
        Russian 72 8 January 2013 16: 31
        +11
        I agree! My wife's brother came from the army two years ago. He is Russian. I began to question him about the relationship. He told me that there were no complaints about the dagas! There are complaints against the Russians, who, in the case of a mess (when he defended them as a sergeant from the dugs), simply dump or stand huddled in a corner.
        One more problem. The soldiers are left to their own devices. Officers shit what happens in the barracks. No control!
    7. Russian 72
      Russian 72 8 January 2013 16: 19
      +3
      The death penalty for such **** (I can’t even think of an obscene word) is too easy a way out! This is *** sick for the whole head ***! And the patient in this case does not mean a person with a mental disorder who needs to be treated! Life imprisonment in solitary confinement without the right to communicate is just right! Walled up the camera, leave a hole for food! Sartir walled up too, let him live in his shit! He deserved it!
  2. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 8 January 2013 09: 55
    +23
    and how to punish! ?????? - you need to shoot - who will join such an army, and first of all the commanding staff to punish - not to know what is going on in the unit! ??? how it already got - who will go to serve in such an army! ???? until there are harsh punishments - such rubbish will happen - it feels like the soldier was captured - and not in the outfit ...................
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 8 January 2013 11: 27
      +19
      Ali cut eggs (sadists should not have the ability to reproduce), the commander in prison for five years ..
    2. Maks111
      Maks111 9 January 2013 11: 29
      0
      No one will do anything. These comments will remain at the comment level. Only.
  3. FiReLiTh
    FiReLiTh 8 January 2013 09: 56
    -2
    From the article it follows that one ml.s.-t. mocked another, allegedly without inciting any enmity ... And how did the deceased become ml.s.-tom? He could not give change? The author’s statement that it’s time for the Ministry of Defense to think about it is finally absurd ...
    Personally, I have a bunch of questions. For example, and the deceased reported bullying and, if so, to whom? If you didn’t report, then the absurdity is complete. Or maybe the prosecutor’s office came up with its own chronicle of events, which it often does.
    Very mixed impressions of the article.
    1. doctor3006
      doctor3006 8 January 2013 10: 35
      +9
      Yes, yes, and the deaf-deaf-mute officers did not notice anything, and they gave the rank of sergeant in a dream to this hairy creature. Is there a brain?
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 8 January 2013 11: 29
        +10
        I won’t be surprised if the officers in this unit are also not of Russian nationality ... They watched ... they saw everything ... and ... chuckled ...
  4. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 8 January 2013 09: 59
    +12
    Hang and let it hang, bitch he and not a national hero ...
    PS Bullets feel sorry for the rope for people like him ...
  5. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 8 January 2013 10: 00
    +7
    Neustavschina just appears at such a "service", they would be engaged in combat training, would be on alert, there would be no time to engage in nonsense.
    1. Averias
      Averias 8 January 2013 10: 05
      0
      As my good friend once said, the professional of a warrior - why hazing, this is nonsense. I, if necessary, have so many young people according to the charter that there will be stars for him for joy. Immediately make a reservation, I wrote not for guidance on action but for example.
  6. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 8 January 2013 10: 02
    +27
    And what moron left two people without supervision, knowing that one Caucasian ???? Two weeks a man’s ears were sutured - is that no one has seen? Com platoon in the same disbat!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 January 2013 10: 21
      +13
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      Two weeks a man’s ears were sutured - is that no one has seen?

      Rather, they saw and knew, but the desire to write beautiful reports to the top is doing their job. The commanders do not need scandals, and here is the result. The only death inadvertently involved. The person essentially dies from torture.
      1. bask
        bask 8 January 2013 10: 41
        +12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        they saw and knew, but the desire to write beautiful reports to the top is doing their job. The commanders do not need scandals, and here is the result. The only death inadvertently involved.

        Conscripts from S. Caucasus are already coming to the service. With fierce hatred of all Russians .. They were brought up in such a way that they are Russian enemies. And they need to be humiliated and killed. Only a radical reform of WMO Shoigu and GDP can change the situation, but I do not believe this It’s not a pity the corrupt Russian authorities will ......... S ..... shameful ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 January 2013 10: 45
          +27
          Quote: bask
          With fierce hatred of all Russians

          The problem is that these Russians could take and pile, but they are all loners. There is no unity hi
          1. MstislavHrabr
            MstislavHrabr 8 January 2013 11: 48
            +13
            Fell already and according to the article kindling nat discord ...
          2. sanek45744
            sanek45744 8 January 2013 12: 50
            +15
            what is most surprising if the Caucasians are assassinated, then they start shouting at all throats about the oppression of small nations and about inciting ethnic conflicts !! and then human rights defenders went right there with their tolerance and human rights! and so we are pressed RUSSIAN !! the most amazing thing is betrayed by the state by freeing up these monkeys !!
            1. Cavas
              Cavas 8 January 2013 13: 07
              +12
              Quote: sanek45744
              what is most surprising if the Caucasians are assassinated, then they start shouting in all their throats about the oppression of small nations and about inciting ethnic conflicts

              It’s scary to think from whom they learned this !!! wassat



          3. bask
            bask 8 January 2013 13: 00
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The problem is that these Russians could take and pile, but they are all loners. No food

            This is the whole problem .. Russian children are prepared at school at home. Towards internationalism, but they will be put on terry nationalism. Physical and moral preparation of Russian children is required before being called up for dest. Service .. And send to the unit not one at a time, but in close-knit groups of 10-20 people each.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 8 January 2013 14: 16
              +21
              Quote: bask
              This is the whole problem .. Russian children are trained at school at home. Towards internationalism, but they will put on terry nationalism

              Maybe in the Soviet Union it was, but now it is not so. Secondly, what do you think Caucasians teach us to beat Russians and all that ??
              it’s not so weighty in the army that all Caucasians first and foremost love only their nation. My brother who served, and before the service he strongly imitated the Dagas, met with them radically changed his position and became a pan-Turkist. The only thing that helped him not to be disabled (and he a professional athlete, but against a dozen Dag and Ossetians he was also well trained every day), but there were Czechs and Ingush, and seeing how stubbornly he resisted, they took him to his company.
              And he told me what was done to the Russians in this part. And they were stupidly lowered every day. He says I was really ready to take a knife and cut everyone if the Czechs and Ingush did not intercede for him at the time.
              Here, many say it is necessary to be physically ready for the army, then they will be afraid and all that. First of all, one must be prepared spiritually.
              And if in one part Ivan cuts his grandfather overgrown, in the other in the third all this quickly calms down. The second option is just to be friendlier than the Russians to intercede for each other, but according to my observations it’s utopian like that. It’s easy not only in street life, but in general in many, even in the work where I work now, everyone is trying to do what is beneficial for him, ignoring the other (except when the other doesn’t specifically hit him) and even better if this person is kind-hearted.
              The principle is my hut from the edge until it concerns me, I’m not aisle. Only they forget today they’ll beat you an unfamiliar Russian, and then you and then when they see Russians passing by then they understand but it’s getting too late.
          4. serg1978
            serg1978 8 January 2013 13: 43
            +17
            All the talk about the lack of unity among the Russians, about the hatred of the blacks towards the Russians, is already sore. When big guys do not want to solve a problem, this tramp begins. And then the unity of the Russians? There Cho, Tatars, Moldova, Buryats - no? You even make Russian freaks in front of others with your comments - and you don’t even understand this.
            It's about something else. Peoples are developing differently. It is not in vain that the north with difficult natural conditions in terms of the degree of development of civilization around the world overtakes the south. Otherwise impossible. You freeze.
            Look at the development of the average Uzbek (they just work for us) and cf. Russian, or Tatar. And the Uzbeks and Kazakhs and blacks - not far from each other in development. The difference is only in mentality. If the Uzbeks and Kazakhs are peaceful, then they have raised dogs from the highlanders since childhood. So they graze with the brains, skills, worldview and aggression of the dog. Now imagine what will happen if the dogs (healthy, pumped up) are settled with normal people in harsh conditions. Here is the hierarchy of the barracks. A dog is not afraid of death during an attack (like any animal, it does not have its own self, it does not distinguish itself from their nature), it has instincts. And the instinct of aggression, if it is launched, is stronger than the instinct of self-preservation. This is the law of nature.
            A reasonable person always thinks about the consequences. And this makes him weaker in direct conflict with animals. Yes, he can win, but this requires special preparation (it’s easy to kill a dog if you know where and how to beat), or you need to become a beast yourself. Not all of this can. And the purpose of military service is not to turn people into animals. Therefore, in the army there are special people who must level the instincts of animals - and for this they have rights. These are commanders. And if they removed themselves and gave people to beasts for food, then they should be planted. It is a crime.
            Here the problem arises: how to solve the problem. You can talk for a long time, but everything will come down to 2 options. Either the commanders should be in the barracks and "calm down" too nimble dogs, or separate keeping of people and animals.
            1. Chamber No. 6
              Chamber No. 6 9 January 2013 13: 31
              0
              Sergey, to the point !!!
            2. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 11 January 2013 18: 17
              +1
              Serg, you are probably a good specialist in Kazakhs, who, apparently, "not far" have gone somewhere for development. The compliment, of course, is pretty dubious.
              However, on the merits of the question. Kazakh is peaceful as long as it is not touched. And if they touch him, he will devour the opponent with shit. The same Caucasians know this very well, and therefore they do not dig into the steppe people (who have repeatedly skated through the Caucasus). Not only do the Kazakhs (Kyrgyz, Buryats, Kalmyks, Bashkirs) simply do not know how to "back out" during a military conflict (unlike the Slavs, Caucasians, Tajiks), they will also support their fellow tribesmen (unlike the Slavs) ... But Uzbeks and Tajiks are made from a different dough. They will try to "negotiate" without assault.
              In Kazakhstan, Caucasians walk very evenly and politely smiling at Kazakhs and others, not showing their "doggy" at all. However, the rest in the Kazakh steppe are also very polite. Why do you think?
          5. brutal true
            brutal true 8 January 2013 14: 22
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            they are all single.

            This is now called "personal freedom".
        2. Slayer
          Slayer 8 January 2013 11: 12
          +8
          Quote: bask
          Only a radical reform of the WMO Shoigu and GDP can change the situation. But I do not believe this corrupt government. Russian guys would not be sorry for ......... S ..... shameful ...

          Only fraternity and comradeship will help, a couple of Dugs put the whole company and company like sheep to obey him, instead of repelling, at least arranging the dark. And how to fight gathered if a couple of dugs is able to crush under themselves a whole military unit. As long as the Russian Russian enemy is, they will continue to kill
        3. VAF
          VAF 8 January 2013 11: 38
          +6
          Quote: bask
          GDP may change situation



          ??????????????

          And returning to yesterday's dispute, and my comment about awarding the title of Hero of Russia to Kadyrov ????? (which you "quite well" did not notice!?!)
          1. Cavas
            Cavas 8 January 2013 11: 53
            +3
            Quote: vaf
            My koment about conferring the title of Hero of Russia to Kadyrov ?????

            Earrings hi , koment did not read.
            But I think that VVP did what EBN did not do with Dudayev, because if he had given him a big "star" then there would have been no all this "dirt"!
            And EBN looking at the United States wanted to play war games !!
            1. VAF
              VAF 8 January 2013 12: 06
              +5
              Quote: Cavas
              And EBN looking at the United States wanted to play war games !!


              You practically see the root, +! drinks
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 8 January 2013 13: 08
                +6
                Quote: vaf
                And EBN looking at the USA wanted to play war games!

                Hi all, drinks
                As far as I remember, the EBN at that time wanted to raise Russia's authority in the world by a military operation in Chechnya. am
                1. brutal true
                  brutal true 8 January 2013 14: 28
                  +5
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  As far as I remember, the EBN at that time wanted to raise Russia's authority in the world by military operation in Chechnya.

                  As I understand it, the Chechen card was played in the 1996 elections. Like, Yolkin said: choose me and I will end the war in Chechnya. Stopped ... in Khasavyurt, you know how.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 8 January 2013 14: 33
                    +3
                    Quote: brutal true
                    As I understand it, the Chechen card was played in the 1996 elections.

                    It was in the "elections" if, of course, you can call them such
              2. bask
                bask 8 January 2013 13: 53
                +5
                Quote: vaf
                You practically see the root, +!

                It’s not what the root view By 1994, the massacre of Russian families in Chechnya and the mass exodus of the Russian population from Chechnya was going on. From 1992 to 1994, according to various sources, about 200 thousand mostly Russian families left the country. EBN did not do anything to settle them. Ethnic cleansing will give the size so big that EBN was forced to take on something. And what was going on Burst into the house and cut women from the pubis to the throat, cut off their heads. Yeltsin did not understand what was happening. Here and entered the troops without an order to shoot .. ... I'm afraid that this is starting to happen again, only has a much larger territorii.Polyhaet Dagestan, Kabardino -Balkariya, Karachay -Cherkesiya in, Tatarstan is not quietly GDP ..if not priymet emergency measures to neytrolizatsii Wahhabi underground will obscherosiyskaya trouble ......
              3. bask
                bask 8 January 2013 14: 21
                +11
                Quote: vaf

                Quote: Cavas
                And EBN looking at the United States wanted to play war games !!

                You practically see the root, +!

                You respect Seryozha. Two of my komenty-answers have been removed from you, far away from sin .. And according to Kadyrov and by, “Look at the root,” Maybe it’s right .... Something I parted with. But the Russians left to the mercy of the militants and the brutally murdered ... And the soldiers who sacredly believed in 1994 that they were fighting for the truth of the Devotees by the authorities .. THE KINGDOM ARE HEAVENLY, ALL THE INNOCENTLY KILLED RUSSIAN RESIDENTS OF CHECHNYA AND THE SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS EXECUTED THEIR DUE TO THE END !!! . THE COURT WILL BE DONE, I AM SURE NOT ON THE EARTH, SO ON THE SKY ..
                1. Cavas
                  Cavas 8 January 2013 14: 23
                  +5
                  Quote: bask
                  Respect for you Seryozha

                  Andrei hi
                  Quote: bask
                  THE KINGDOM A HEAVENLY, ALL INNOCENTLY KILLED RUSSIAN RESIDENTS OF CHECHNYA AND SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS PERFORMING THEIR DEBT TO THE END

                  hi Standing and not clinking glasses drinks
            2. bask
              bask 8 January 2013 13: 39
              +5
              Quote: vaf
              And returning to yesterday's dispute, and my comment about awarding the title of Hero of Russia to Kadyrov ????? (which you "well" not

              The decree on the assignment of the Hero of Russia to Kadyrov was signed by the GDP. As the president of Russia .. This is his choice. I agree with Cavas that this should be done in that situation. To stop the war. There were few Russians in the republic at that time .. The republic became monoenic .Replied???
          2. bask
            bask 8 January 2013 13: 33
            0
            Quote: vaf
            And returning to yesterday's dispute, and my comment about awarding the title of Hero of Russia to Kadyrov ????? (which you "quite well" did not notice!?!)

            Back to your question ;;; ' o ,, hero ,,, I ANSWERED that the star, Hero, Russia, Kadyrov handed VVP. For what merits I don’t know .. This is his choice and he signed the decree as president of Russia.
    2. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 8 January 2013 11: 34
      +4
      I won’t be satisfied if it turns out that the platoon com was also not of Russian nationality ... looked ... saw everything (it was impossible not to see this) and ... laughed ... The platoon com was the main culprit ...
    3. zanoza
      zanoza 8 January 2013 11: 41
      +4
      So they put it on purpose. One "senior" (dag), the other "performer-plowman", so to speak for the "good" of the case. In general, they were fired from the "problem" unit out of sight.
  7. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 8 January 2013 10: 03
    +10
    So HERE sent the guy to the unit alive and healthy. RETURNED FROM HERE TO THE Coffin.
    Where the commander of the unit looked or the consumables for him.
    1. DERWISH
      DERWISH 8 January 2013 17: 30
      +5
      and the commander for this for 10 years in the zone because he is the father of a soldier and not a housewife of the regiment!
  8. Force123
    Force123 8 January 2013 10: 05
    +4
    You need to plant such for a long time!
    1. 11 black
      11 black 8 January 2013 12: 49
      +3
      Quote: Force123
      You need to plant such for a long time!

      They must be executed forever !!!
      1. sanek45744
        sanek45744 8 January 2013 13: 32
        +2
        I don’t agree with this! It’s too humane for him! I advise you to watch videos about the prison (white swan) or (black dolphin)! this is hell !!
      2. Allegedly
        Allegedly 8 January 2013 21: 51
        +1
        Quote: 11 black
        They must be executed


        In order to make it in the UWB with the commander of a military base or military unit (or even with all the officers or sergeants who did not prevent or did not report that, for example, Latinos (it’s not Latins in them, but, in principle, ethnic conflict) to some The soldier’s ears and nose were sutured, and then killed? I would really like to see what they would do with everyone ...
        1. Azazel
          Azazel 8 January 2013 22: 13
          -1
          Definitely such an incident would be hidden. The killer would certainly be punished, but certainly not by deprivation of life.
  9. Zhenya
    Zhenya 8 January 2013 10: 05
    +15
    FiReLiTh,
    Blow to the Caucasus, they will teach you there and you will understand everything there, and you will come home with a load of 200.
    ps
    These nationalities are not needed in the army, the day is not equal, that once we train them again, we will have to force them to peace ourselves, haven't we passed? Does Chechnya teach anything?
  10. marc
    marc 8 January 2013 10: 06
    +17
    Commander in the neck from the army, down to the count.
  11. cil86
    cil86 8 January 2013 10: 10
    +11
    I myself served an emergency and I will say this. The main problem is that jackals themselves score an order in parts and are afraid of Caucasians.
  12. AnpeL
    AnpeL 8 January 2013 10: 10
    +8
    Zhenya,
    I agree completely. I would generally propose a gradual ban on any weapon in the territory of the wild republics under pain of execution. and these gavrikov essno need to keep away from weapons. especially Chich, Dag and Ingush.
  13. Sreben
    Sreben 8 January 2013 10: 13
    +6
    The boy suffered! This must be so intimidating! At night I would have tied or tied to the bed. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND how this can be tolerated for two weeks!
  14. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 8 January 2013 10: 13
    +11
    Demanding the commander of this unit to privates, and sending him to serve in the Far North.
    1. hrych
      hrych 8 January 2013 12: 47
      +9
      Such shit in the North does not even need ordinary soldiers to put in a zone.
    2. 11 black
      11 black 8 January 2013 12: 51
      +4
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Demanding the commander of this unit to privates, and sending him to serve in the Far North.

      Send him a forest to the extreme north!
  15. Apollo
    Apollo 8 January 2013 10: 16
    +20
    the softness of existing laws, the unsatisfactory work of commanders and special officers led to such a result. In relation to officials, it is imperative to institute criminal proceedings and severe punishment. This also suggests that the military prosecutor's office is working poorly. It's time to finally leave the cozy offices and carry out preventive work in parts. Shame and shame on you "commanders" !!! am
  16. Region65
    Region65 8 January 2013 10: 20
    +11
    the unit commander, together with this hairy creature, should be planted in one pit, let each other's nostrils be pulled out and their ears sewn up. And just didn’t even understand - why was this under-performing pig doing in the army? it’s like it’s not the first year since the South they haven’t been drafted into the army ....
    1. Etna
      Etna 8 January 2013 11: 04
      +3
      Even as they call! All the explosives of the Central District are jammed to the eyeballs !! Plus half of the command ((((((((((((((
  17. Zhenya
    Zhenya 8 January 2013 10: 20
    +5
    Ivan Tarasov,
    Nooo buddy, not to the north, but to the North Caucasus, in the stambat.
  18. starlet
    starlet 8 January 2013 10: 26
    0
    As much as you can rant ... let them call to the area from where you come from and not scatter and re-hang out the boys around Russia ... often the victims themselves run up (((
    1. Region65
      Region65 8 January 2013 13: 03
      +4
      maybe in tsarist times? to put together wild divisions from them and send them to Syria to help the fraternal state?
      1. serg1978
        serg1978 8 January 2013 13: 54
        +6
        The king conquered these peoples. And never under tsarism were blacks equal to Russians. Everyone understood perfectly well that these were colonized peoples. Children of the nobility were seized, settled in capitals, they were placed in prestigious universities - so that they would at least become civilized people a little. That is, the tsarisi perfectly understood who they really were. And therefore, in relation to military affairs, I applied the only sound practice - you are absolutely right. "Wild divisions" - and into the fire. Pave the way for the Russian infantry. And otherwise - as you do not twist this cube (Rubik) - there will be no sense from them.
  19. Doom
    Doom 8 January 2013 10: 29
    -10
    This fool, Rasulov, killed his serf, but could bring him home and serve ... Poor new masters belong to serf vanki, so my great-grandfather didn’t even spoil them.
    1. omsbon
      omsbon 8 January 2013 10: 40
      +3
      You shit, don’t worry, if we get to you, then we will chant for a sweet soul, you will be satisfied!
  20. Garysit
    Garysit 8 January 2013 10: 29
    +8
    Hang this hairy monkey for edification by the same one so that the Koran would not be violated and would not be considered a blessing !!! Although it is necessary to start with their commanders, who apparently do care what is happening in their units. They are fully responsible for this disgrace !!!!
  21. fenix57
    fenix57 8 January 2013 10: 30
    +6
    Or maybe the court Lynch apply in such cases? am
  22. nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 8 January 2013 10: 35
    +1
    Every nation has inadequate reality (fucking). In military schools
    (at the conservatory) - something needs to be fixed! And, in addition, the entire commander of the unit should keep the whole officer corps in hedgehogs.
    And if the commander once, due to the heavy employment with his personal (home) affairs, then yes! they must be driven away with the confiscation of these very household chores.
  23. erased
    erased 8 January 2013 10: 39
    +4
    What kind of reform of the armed forces can we talk about if the army has terry hazing!
    What is the latest technology, weapons ,. if the soldiers are frightened and beaten to the limit? who will protect the people if the defenders themselves need to be saved?
    A separate issue is the behavior of the deceased. Why did he act like that? why didn’t give change, didn’t report on the instance?
    Many questions and a sad conclusion - such an army cannot do anything.
  24. SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 8 January 2013 10: 41
    +3
    Where did the com look. a platoon to court it must be given.
  25. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 8 January 2013 10: 43
    +8
    A young man who has grown up on the Internet, once in the army
    I couldn’t understand in any way, what for the password in a guard,
    if he doesn’t know the login.
  26. cil86
    cil86 8 January 2013 10: 44
    +1
    It would be better not to call them at all.
  27. Fox
    Fox 8 January 2013 10: 45
    +7
    guys, why are you all indignant? I have a different question: why did the guy go to the army unprepared? I did sambo and boxing in front of the army, and I was FSU and grandfather and Natsik ... yes. and I happened to rake, but after no one had the desire to climb. served in Soviet times.
    1. Petrospek
      Petrospek 8 January 2013 11: 00
      +2
      that is, do you consider bullying in the army a normal thing, since you were preparing for it ??
      1. Fox
        Fox 8 January 2013 11: 12
        +3
        and what do you think bullying?
        1. Petrospek
          Petrospek 8 January 2013 13: 35
          +2
          so violence against a person in any manifestation
    2. serg1978
      serg1978 8 January 2013 13: 56
      +2
      So what? Are everyone equal to you? And if you jump from the roof? Jump to everyone?
      1. serg1978
        serg1978 8 January 2013 15: 32
        +2
        Then they moved me, I wrote a model for all progressive humanity - the fox.
  28. Magadan
    Magadan 8 January 2013 10: 55
    +8
    This scumbag only lynch worthy of punishment may be.
    But I ask you not to start talking about some genetic tendencies of Caucasians in general to violence. I don't even want to write about what the thugs of the "Russian" nationality did in Magadan in the dashing 90s.
    Although, interethnic clashes, I'm afraid not inevitable. If you consider them as such. We had a situation - our friend had an accident, the Caucasian was the culprit. Let's just say that he lost the first argument.
    I say right away that in the future I’m not at work, I was just an observer.
    They found the Caucasians, and our other comrade (a former navy seal, special forces, from the coastal divers of the USSR model) simply peacefully asked the Caucasians to hand over his fellow countryman. So he said, "There are no complaints about your nation at all, I have friends among yours, but your comrade jailed, you have to ask him" Those, of course, in a pose for their own. He again asked, with full respect for their concepts, not to betray his own. He explained that he was proposing an ordinary one-on-one fight, but with possible bad consequences for the health of the "nasty". (By the way, among "ours" there was also a Caucasian, if that). In general, they decided everything like a man. No ethnic strife. Little happens in life.
    1. hrych
      hrych 8 January 2013 13: 08
      +8
      Dear Magadan, all this is not right, chivalry must be shown with noble knights. Here we are dealing with hairy troglodytes. They calculated, inserted the buckshot and disappeared so as not to endanger the family, and the cops bought would be against you.
  29. cil86
    cil86 8 January 2013 10: 57
    +8
    I will answer why this happens. Served recently. There was a third of the Caucasians in the unit, and they immediately began to dictate their rules, ate the hawk only from McDonald's ... slept during the day, and roam at night (and we went out all day). The officers were terrified of the hachets. Pure truth. And when I shouted with one of the Caucasus, five rednecks came to him to help right away, and NOBODY came to me from the Russians. Fact.
  30. valokordin
    valokordin 8 January 2013 10: 59
    +6
    I am sincerely sorry for the fellow countryman, but the fact that there are such cases in the army is the lack of a disciplinary charter. At the guardhouse, only by trial, the commanders do not have real power. You can’t beat, on the lip you can’t, the outfit is not in the queue, only it remains to threaten with a finger and threaten that we will inform parents. Not an army but a kindergarten.
  31. omsbon
    omsbon 8 January 2013 11: 10
    +13
    It seems to me that the deprivation of citizenship of the Russian Federation by his father, who raised this animal, would be an effective measure. A father must be responsible for his sons.
    In relation to all commanders and commanders involved in this case, in addition to deprivation of ranks, PENSIONS and awards, there must be criminal liability for failure to fulfill one's official duties.
    1. Guun
      Guun 8 January 2013 11: 25
      +8
      There is only one effective measure. Raising children. Most young people are sitting at the monitor disguising themselves as a computer hero, others hang out all day with friends and clubs. But there are 1 to 1000 good athletes there. You need to educate as a man, not wear a child on hands up to 5 years old and ssyukotsya. Why do Caucasians give their children to sports sections when they are 4-5 years old, especially to fight. And you can’t do it? Kazakhs also do that, they give children to sports, mainly boxing. They are not born strong, strong become! Raise children as men and see e how things will change. Just let them sway, muscular in large volumes is beautiful but useless. Teach your children to rely on themselves, it will always be strong and weak to unite around, difficult and sometimes impossible.
      1. George
        George 8 January 2013 19: 04
        +6
        Yes, it’s not muscle, but strength of mind. We are now raising guys incapable of doing things, i.e. e. any manifestations of aggression are immediately stopped (well, well, the boy doesn’t need to fight). On my own face I had to make sure that the good should be with fists. And about bitsuhi I will tell you one case that occurred in Afghanistan (read somewhere)
        At one of the remote outposts, a Russian guy served in a company with either Uzbeks or Tajiks. So these Asian guys also scoffed at him with a crowd. He came up, told the officer about it, but he didn’t gu. The guy was not athletic.
        The final is simple:
        One day, when the Sadughs thought of burying a guy in the chest and urinated on him, his patience snapped. He was able to get out, took the machine gun, went into the tent, where the stoned heroes slept peacefully, woke everyone with kicks and shot him, After he reported the incident to the officer, and when he appeared as a butt, he opened his jaw (although he had to have a bullet)
        So you have to be strong spiritually, especially since, as a rule, in the army, the most fierce grandfather was the last chmyr.
      2. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 11 January 2013 18: 37
        +1
        Goon, well, not only boxing shmox helps, but the belief that you always have to fight if words don't help. In my childhood, it often happened that the older guys would beat me up like a child, and I went home whining and complaining to my father. My father himself made me go back to these guys and defend my innocence. I was scared, but I listened to my father more. But then you begin to perceive the world not as a source of danger, but as a field for conquest. And later, in the late 80s, my father gave me to karate (there were specialists at his military unit). After that, I stopped being afraid of anything at all. Even if I ended up defeated in some kind of fight :) I have three dozen cousins, all from different levels of income, different education and even upbringing. But practically all of them studied boxing, karate, aikido, wrestling for some time. Not even to become sportsmen, but to "educate the spirit." Now there is no way to train "spirit" in the field, well, at least the boxing section will teach you not to be afraid of the enemy.
        And my Russian peers rarely ever went to such training. More on the rocking chair, so that "the body was beautiful" or for football. This, of course, is also important, but, IMHO, a teenager cannot do without fighting sports.
    2. old rocket man
      old rocket man 8 January 2013 12: 38
      +7
      omsbon,
      What you offer is effective, but for this you will have to crucially to change the constitution, which, as you understand yourself, is impossible. Personally, I think I’m lucky that I didn’t encounter hazing either on an urgent (64-year call) officer or being an officer, and it was impossible on an urgent half of the officers and over-conscripts and they spat on concepts, they had a strong idea of ​​honor. So, there was no hazing, but there were problems with discipline and they started under Brezhnev when they put on the charter and began to pray for accountability, when without the sanction of the political department it was impossible to send an arrest on the lip not to declare.
      The army and democracy are incompatible by definition, there must be a tough demand from top to bottom, strictly according to the regulations. To remove the journalist and "soldiers' mothers" from the army
      Quote: omsbon
      deprivation of ranks, PENSIONS and awards, must

      All this is, when an officer is convicted of a criminal offense, he, by law, is deprived of his military rank, awards and, accordingly, military pension.


      PS Personally, my observation: the army begins to decay from idleness and engaging in unusual things, if something is wrong always commander

  32. cil86
    cil86 8 January 2013 11: 17
    +3
    Sorry for the guy, to be honest.
    1. serg1978
      serg1978 8 January 2013 13: 58
      +2
      Sorry for the wrong word. Imagine yourself for 5 minutes in his shoes. FEARFULLY!!!
  33. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 8 January 2013 11: 20
    +6
    And the chief military prosecutor recently reported, they say, things are getting better and better. But what about outsourcing? Why are fighters engaged in a bath? Or is it an important strategic object? For two weeks, none of the commanders saw this soldier? The behavior of the victim itself is the result of modern youth education. The answer is very simple - everyone doesn’t give a damn about everything from top to bottom, the main thing is to cover your asshole, get all the bonuses and bonuses, and there, at least the grass doesn't grow.
  34. tambourine 2012
    tambourine 2012 8 January 2013 11: 20
    +3
    He essentially undermines the cripple of a country’s defense, so there’s a direct road to the wall, and his supporters can also go to a disbath. Unreadiness is also a difficult question. What will the army look like if the nat groups during their entire period of service find out their relationship? called on and to receive a military specialty will be the supremacy of the LAW will be order
  35. Download Do Re Mi
    Download Do Re Mi 8 January 2013 11: 23
    +5
    Dag indicatively executed on TV! Company officers and the regiment commander in jail in the cell to the dag, fellow suckers medals of shame issue and send home, these are not soldiers, they are no good!
  36. rees
    rees 8 January 2013 11: 25
    +6
    Quote: Etna

    Even as they call! All the explosives of the Central District are jammed to the eyeballs !! Plus half of the command ((((((((((((((


    but why ...

    Shoigu agreed to increase the quota of draftees from Dagestan

    http://topwar.ru/21531-shoygu-soglasilsya-uvelichit-kvotu-prizyvnikov-ot-dagesta

    na.html

    Honestly - I'm afraid I’ll give my son back to the army in two years ..
  37. Ppsh
    Ppsh 8 January 2013 11: 29
    +8
    Another question is what should the commander do? The guardhouse was canceled (wrecking), to initiate an investigation - by your knee in the ass from the army.
    Our "wise" leadership has deprived the commander of all methods of influence with the exception of one - persuasion. But these tales do not work. Strength respects strength. And the commanders do not have such a force.
    I think it’s right not to call on guys from the North Caucasus, or call on the competition with recommendations from their governors and deputies (if he does it, it’s a shame!)
    And the guy is really sorry!
  38. Sorry
    Sorry 8 January 2013 11: 39
    +5
    It will always be until the commanders cease to be responsible for banditry in the barracks. It is necessary to make sure that it is advantageous for commanders to be imprisoned for banditry. Separate responsibility for the state of military discipline and for banditry. He planted a bandit - received a bonus, hid a similar crime - sat down as an accomplice with aggravating circumstances. Then there will be order. After all, this is elementary, and why people haven’t wanted to do so for decades. Politicians worked up this problem in the Soviet Army, but in reality it’s just ordinary barracks banditry. the dag puts the whole company on its ears together with its commanders. And if they die, then the road is there for them (Lord forgive me), because from them there will be no sense wherever, they just give birth to their own kind and all the benefits.
  39. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 8 January 2013 11: 40
    +5
    And after such cases, they want their parents to send their children to the army!

    Mostly people are bought off from the army only for hazing!
  40. cil86
    cil86 8 January 2013 11: 42
    0
    An officer can shoot a hach ​​from a personal weapon in case of an attack or send it to a diesel engine. If I wanted to.
  41. Sorry
    Sorry 8 January 2013 12: 00
    +7
    And what are they doing in the units of the clever loafers from the FSB? After all, their representatives are in every part. Here, too, they settled in, "kept secret" and walk like shadows around the headquarters, no return from them. If the commanders do not initiate proceedings on the facts of banditry, then they should do it. That is why they are needed in the units today, and not look for non-existent "spies".
    1. cil86
      cil86 8 January 2013 12: 08
      +1
      I'm sorry, what? Get paid.
    2. Chamber No. 6
      Chamber No. 6 9 January 2013 14: 01
      0
      And what do the clever loafers from the FSB do in parts?
      How is that - what ?! You, my friend, have fallen from the moon, or what ?!
      These robots cover all financial and economic graters between sellers and buyers!
      No? Does someone disagree?
      Then, explain, to me, to botany - the captain (!) Otkelist, special officer, one of the military unit of Karelia, a new BMW?!?!
      Working, dear, waving Kyle, tirelessly?
  42. stranik72
    stranik72 8 January 2013 12: 10
    +6
    the most amazing thing is the article "death by negligence" 2 years probation, and the hero of Dagestan. The insanity of the judicial reform of Dima the iPhone is to show that there are fewer people in our prison than in the USA. And the streets of Russian cities are already scary to walk.
  43. VNM
    VNM 8 January 2013 12: 20
    +5
    What's so strange: all healthy, strong Russians either at institutes or are justified, and for the time being there are some goners who couldn’t pay for the section and even buy normal food. And black is considered prestigious to join the army. I would look at the behavior of black if they entered a technical university. He himself studied in this - there are practically no blacks there - they are stupid for this, and those who are quieter than the water and lower than the grass. But if Russian is called up from institutes, then black and in the army will not be up to show-offs - they would remain intact (their education is almost 0).
  44. Sorry
    Sorry 8 January 2013 12: 30
    +5
    Look at the dag, after all, the monkey is a monkey, even covered with wool, and this one also hugs him happily. I don’t feel sorry for him at all, I set myself this way. And his father had to tear his balls off for such a "warrior" upbringing.
  45. Pimply
    Pimply 8 January 2013 12: 35
    +5
    Well, the author, if it’s not about incitement, then why attribute such and such with LKN to the photo
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 8 January 2013 13: 05
      +5
      There is no incitement there is a statement of fact, the murderer is a person of Caucasian nationality. What else needs to be fomented if they, every day, almost in Russian cities either kill or rob or maim. But they are strictly punished and called the nationality of an ignorance. And why, because the Caucasus is an electorate of putmedov and United Russia. According to the last vote, more than 90% of residents voted for them. Everything in this life has an explanation and is very simple. You have to pay for everything. To the stake.
      1. brutal true
        brutal true 8 January 2013 14: 40
        +6
        Quote: stranik72
        then you still need to incite if they, every day almost in Russian cities, either kill or rob or maim.

        So this is not only Caucasians do. Why only cases with Caucasians are exaggerated, didn’t they ask themselves such a question?
        1. stranik72
          stranik72 8 January 2013 18: 31
          0
          In%, the most atrocious crimes are committed by them, except you in Russia know about it. And they also know that there is an undeclared civil war in the Caucasus, and someone really wants to transfer it to Russian enclaves. I hope now to tell you clearly or something else.
          1. Russian 72
            Russian 72 8 January 2013 18: 33
            -2
            Do you have statistics? Spread out .... For decency, at least put a figure on the percentage
            1. Cadets
              8 January 2013 22: 38
              0
              Regarding statistics. In the Russian Army, there are no more than 5 percent of immigrants from the Caucasus (I take the maximum), and in the same Mulinsky disbat there are more than a third of the total number of all convicted "non-instructors". Think for yourself!
  46. Sorry
    Sorry 8 January 2013 12: 43
    +1
    And what is LCN?
  47. capral-32
    capral-32 8 January 2013 12: 45
    0
    Dag, to the fullest extent of the law, and officers are revealing their faces in shit (that is, demoralize and attract for negligence). As soon as this formula starts to work constantly (and not for show), the situation will change radically. I.M.Kh.O.
    1. Sorry
      Sorry 8 January 2013 13: 17
      +4
      Officers should be encouraged for exposing and bringing to justice criminals in barracks gangsterism. But one of them harboring these to plant as accomplices. The principle is this: put the criminal, get a bonus, hide the crime - go to jail. And the officers are responsible for everything. After all, at the production site, the head shop is not responsible for the crimes of its employees, why isn’t it in the army. the workshop will never hide crimes, because he is not interested in it at all, and if on the contrary, then he risks losing his job or will be prosecuted. That's the way it is in the army, otherwise they put everything upside down.
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 8 January 2013 13: 50
        +1
        Sorry,
        And here there is only one reason, the political workers were not removed from the army, but renamed as deputies for educational work, no responsibility, the commander is responsible for everything, and the possibilities to shit on the same commander remained limitless, plus the "indicators" and everything to the "chiefs" don't care what combat training and preparedness excellent, most importantly, all reporting was openwork plus complete loyalty, otherwise you would die a company.
    2. serg1978
      serg1978 8 January 2013 13: 59
      0
      Not for negligence. For complicity in the murder.
  48. Eric
    Eric 8 January 2013 13: 04
    +2
    Under the fence to be found ... With "natural" causes of death ...

  49. CHILD
    CHILD 8 January 2013 13: 23
    +4
    the problem is old, and 20 years ago everything was the same, only we were different, and many were youth informal groups (later it became clear what they were preparing for themselves ...) I think you all miss one detail: the difference in growing up, the Caucasus grow up earlier .... call at least from the 21st year, I suspect many problems will disappear on their own, well, work with the officer corps)))) the commander is responsible for everything, with full power)))) to commit morons through a fool with a wolf ticket and a loss of rights for life ....
  50. tan0472
    tan0472 8 January 2013 13: 25
    +9
    Beasts only understand a stick or a carrot. In this case, the cattle did not feel the presence of a stick (a possible adequate punishment), and therefore behaved "freely".
    I consider the arguments of some "people" that the murdered person is to blame (for the fact that he is not Rimbaud) are inadequate. We do not live in the jungle, where power is everything. Anyone can find a weaker one. So, you can start to mock the weaker and condemn - "It is your own fault (or your parents) that you are so dead"?
    Hello, "people" - be HUMANS.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 8 January 2013 13: 57
      +2
      Quote: tan0472
      they say that the murdered person is to blame (that he is not Rimbaud) I consider inadequate. We do not live in the jungle, where power is everything.
      Here is just one small point. The murdered man is not at all an "ordinary untrained". This is the junior COMMANDER, by the nature of his duties, the one who, according to the thoughts of other reformers, should suppress such manifestations in his unit. Or to assign to each soldier a minister of defense, why waste time on trifles? The officer is your fault? Well, give him, in addition to duties, the right to somehow influence the soldiers sent to him. Think for yourself, WHAT can he do to such a scumbag? To pronounce a reprimand? So he wanted to spit on all the reprimands with the commander together. Initiate a criminal case on the slightest pretext? So as long as there is no crime, there will be no punishment either, and the very same commander will suffer first. Send to the Airborne Forces for re-education? so those - also not a trash heap, they have enough of their own worries, they do not need such freaks. And who are those officers now? Those who have a couple of years left to sit out before retirement or yesterday's students who themselves have no idea about anything. There has been no recruitment for military schools for several years now, continuous redundancies, some headquarters remained. Will the staff go to control the barracks at night?
      Michmanov and ensigns were also liquidated by reformers ...
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 8 January 2013 14: 17
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        The murdered man is not at all an "ordinary untrained". This is the junior COMMANDER, by the nature of his duties, the one who, according to the thought current reformers and must suppress such manifestations in his unit.

        I tell you about moral values ​​that the killer does not have, and you tell me about "new reformers" The current reformers are to blame for the choli, why did the father of the cattle raise cattle?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 8 January 2013 14: 31
          +2
          Two fathers, one raised a criminal, the second coward.
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 8 January 2013 15: 10
          0
          Quote: tan0472
          The current reformers are to blame for the choli, why did the father of the cattle raise cattle?

          He gave birth to him yesterday, and then raised him all night? Or did this happen, at least thirty years past? Maybe the reformers, before starting to venture, should think at least their asses, if there are no goals?
          1. tan0472
            tan0472 8 January 2013 15: 52
            0
            Quote: Misantrop
            He gave birth to him yesterday, and then raised him all night? Or did this happen, at least thirty years past? Maybe the reformers, before starting to venture, should think at least their asses, if there are no goals?

            I did not understand that the nonesh reformers are those who have been "at least the last thirty years."
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 8 January 2013 15: 12
        0
        Quote: Misantrop
        Estimate yourself, WHAT can he do to such a scumbag?

        Three times on the "lip", within a month, and then disbat. It used to be like that, now I don't know.
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 8 January 2013 15: 31
          +1
          Quote: Garrin
          Three times on the "lip"

          Right now, only by the decision of the garrison court.
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 8 January 2013 15: 33
            0
            Quote: Aleksys2
            Right now, only by the decision of the garrison court.

            Clear. Thanks for clarifying. Nowadays it was easier.
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 8 January 2013 14: 26
      0
      Quote: tan0472
      We do not live in the jungle, where power is everything.

      Unfortunately, we live in the jungle, and it is where strength decides everything.
      as an example

      The question is, how many people tried to separate?
      And a little from the story:

      The Fantomas Case
      The case of the Tolstopyatov brothers was considered by the Rostov Regional Court in 1974.
      Excerpts from the speech of the state prosecutor.

      “After making a small fraction of the piece, bread and dairy departments, a bargaining chip from the cash register, the criminals began to leave the store. And here another surprise lay in wait. When the first two left the store, a pensioner Guriy Sergeevich Chumakov, who happened to be nearby, tried to detain them. a worker who worked all his life as a blacksmith, defended his homeland on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War and was awarded for the courage and dedication he showed in battles against the Nazi invaders with an order and medals, this man rushed after the leaving criminals - one by two, with a piece of pipe - against a machine gun and revolvers . "
      "The car driver Tsunik testified that Arutyunov's car stopped on the tram tracks and two people who, as she understood, had previously tried to take possession of the car, fled to the territory of the Central City Hospital. She stopped the tram, called on the men in the car to get out and help Arutyunov, who was attacked, but Without expecting anyone, she jumped out herself with a crowbar to translate the arrows, but Tolstopyatov and Samasyuk had already fled. "

      Information for consideration, so to speak.
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 8 January 2013 14: 44
        0
        Quote: Aleksys2
        Unfortunately, we live in the jungle, and it is where strength decides everything.

        You're not right. We live according to human laws (which are not always observed). The road fighter understands that he is breaking the law. The law is not severe enough (and therefore not terrible). Yet this is human law, not the law of the jungle.
        1. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 8 January 2013 14: 56
          +1
          Quote: tan0472
          You're not right. We live by human laws (which are not always respected).

          Yes, we have laws, but how are they enforced? And no matter how, you have the strength, arrogance, money and all the laws on your side. And if you are just trying to abide by the laws, then they are making you guilty.
          I have an example, the driver somehow gave a drunk passenger a lift, he started to brawl, the driver stopped at the traffic police post, jumped out of the car and to the inspector, help - they kill, the inspector first tried to reason with words, it did not help, used force, it seemed like the person calmed down, but then he says, "I will rot you all, my brother works in the prosecutor's office." Result, the inspector has 2 years probation for exceeding. That's all the laws. In another case, the district judge returns the driving license for drunkenness on the basis that the traffic police inspector did not salute at the stop, they return it in February, and in March this driver, again in a drunken disgrace, knocks down his grandmother and grandson to death. And the judge still judges so. And you say "we live by the laws" ...
          1. tan0472
            tan0472 8 January 2013 15: 05
            0
            Quote: Aleksys2
            And you say "we live by the laws" ...

            If we lived according to the law of the jungle, then there would be no court whatsoever. It was not a righteous judgment (and people understand it), but it was a human judgment.