The serviceman sewed the ears of his colleague and threaded a nose with scissors

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Another creepy storyrelated to the Dagestan serviceman was "voiced" before the New Year

The serviceman sewed the ears of his colleague and threaded a nose with scissors
Dmitry Bochkarev with LCN


Thus, the prosecutor of the Mulinsky garrison Vitaly Potaskuev 27.12.2012 of the year reported to the press that the investigating authorities had completed the investigation of the criminal case against a soldier of military unit No. XXUMX (Mulino, Volodarsky district, Nizhny Novgorod region), who is charged under Article XXNX Art. 06709 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (intentional infliction of grievous bodily harm, negligently resulting in the death of the victim), part 4 art. 111 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (violation of the statutory rules of the relationship between military personnel in the absence of subordination between them, entailing serious consequences) and part 3 Art. 335 of the Criminal Code (illegal imprisonment).

Currently, the criminal case was sent to the Nizhny Novgorod Garrison Court.

The press service of the Military Investigation Department of the TFR of the Russian Federation in the Western Military District reported the circumstances of this criminal case.

A junior sergeant of the military unit No. XXUMX (Mulino) Ali Rasulov will appear before the court. According to the investigation, junior sergeants Rasulov and Dmitry Bochkarev together served in the conscription service in this military unit.

In mid-June, 2012, both were sent to the hotel complex of the military unit stationed in the village of Mulino, for its protection and maintenance of order in the territory.

According to the investigation, in the period from July 1 to August 13, on the territory of the Rasulov hotel complex, violating the statutory rules of relations between military personnel, Bochkarev was beaten and humiliated his honor and dignity.

He did this with the help of various objects at hand: a wooden handle, a shovel, a round wooden leg from a stool, a metal handle from the bed, a metal chain, a rubber hose, and also hands and legs with particular cruelty.

In addition, the accused systematically, under the threat of violence, forced Bochkarev to take a pose called “half-burnt”: Bochkarev had to stand on half-bent legs with his arms outstretched, and Rasulov struck him with his legs in each case as he changed position.

To bruises were less noticeable on the body Bochkareva attacker forcibly forced him to get into the pool with cold water.

The investigation believes that Rasulov illegally held the victim against his will in the earthen cellar, placed in non-residential premises of the hotel complex, tied hand and foot with tape, and restricted in communicating with relatives and friends, not allowing to call via cellular communication.

In addition, the sadist cut the victim with a piece of cartilage tissue of the nose with a manicure scissors, and also repeatedly sewed up the ruptures of the left ear caused by a household needle and thread.

On the morning of August 13, Rasulov found Bochkarev lying on his bed with no signs of life. To hide the fact of his death, the attacker hid the body on the same day in the boiler room of the hotel complex, where he was later found.

Judicial doctors have established that the injuries that caused the death of a person were caused to Bochkarev during his lifetime.

The deceased was drafted into the army during the autumn 2011 draft of the year from Saratov.

The mothers of the deceased soldier reported the death of their son 13 August. People from the military registration and enlistment office came home and reported the news: Dima was found murdered. According to preliminary data, Dima was killed by his colleague, with whom he guarded the bath. At first they said that the cause of death is suffocation. Then there was information that 2 had been mocked at him before this week and, finally, at the funeral, an employee of the military registration and enlistment office said that Dima died from a blow to the neck with armature ...

Source: Crime chronicle NN http://pn14.info/?p=125711

From myself I would like to add that not far from the place of the described events there is a disciplinary battalion, where about a third of its "variable composition" are soldiers of the "Caucasian draft", serving sentences for non-statutory relations.

This is not about inciting ethnic hatred, but it is also impossible to conceal reality! Apparently, in the Ministry of Defense, it is time for someone to think about it.
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  1. +93
    8 January 2013 09: 52
    To have a leg from a stool and send pictures to their homeland, let them meet a "national" hero. But seriously, it's time to lift the moratorium on the death penalty, too much evil spirits trample the earth. And no matter what nationality, he is a non-human everywhere.
    1. +14
      8 January 2013 10: 02
      Well, where did such m *** come from ...
      1. bask
        +30
        8 January 2013 10: 26
        Quote: feanor
        It’s not about inciting ethnic hatred, but

        And then, if it’s not national hatred. If I killed Russian 100%, they qualified like that. If you killed ali, it means domestic life. That's all the lies and venality of today's power of Putin. They kill only Russians and get off with an article about the excess of self-defense. Ub .. ....
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +17
          8 January 2013 11: 35
          Quote: bask
          That’s all the lies and venality of today's power of Putin.


          Dear, would you have already decided in the end on your position ????
          And then in yesterday's article about A.I. Lebed, the comments are the same, today are diametrically opposed ????
          Double Standards Policy ????

          PS Fulfilling your "wishes" I do not put emoticons ... although it would be worth it !!!
          1. bask
            +9
            8 January 2013 13: 17
            Quote: vaf
            Dear, would you have finally decided on your position ???? And then in yesterday's article about A.I. Lebed there are only one comments, today are diametrically opposed ????

            I decided for a long time .. I’m Chuvash, I spoke not only about the swanhood of Swan in Khasavyurt. And about 500 thousand Russian militants who were abandoned to their own devices, living in Chechnya at that time. Signing with the terrorists, an agreement, which they did not intend to fulfill. Dobriy in 1996 of terrorists. This sadism was not from Caucasians ... AND THE MAIN THING THAT YOU ARE CREATING EVERYTHING, POSITION. SWAN. ,, DOUBLE STANDARDS, EMBLEMS .. YOU ARE THE RUSSIAN SOLDIER. AMOUNT OF THE KILLED COMMUNITY .. IS NOT SORRY ?????
          2. +1
            8 January 2013 18: 22
            comments alone, today are diametrically opposed [/ b
            And how would you, dear, like to ?! What would - EVERYTHING, and, amicably - IN ROW?
            Isn't it time to smooth the trace of the cap?
        2. ughhh
          +28
          8 January 2013 12: 46
          Because the churks mock the Russians because they were taught so, the Russians are cattle, this is possible. Nobody says: "hey, Russian, come here, I'll fix your nose with scissors." And ours, when they bring it, just come running in: "I'll kill you, non-Russian lump!" Two articles at once: 282 and the threat of murder.
          And all the problems are the incompetence of the officers. This is always the problem. A normal commander will not have any hazing. I would plant the officers along with these demons.
          1. +16
            8 January 2013 14: 09
            Quote: ughhh
            Because chocks mock Russians

            - during my service there were several clashes, of which I will mention the following: our airborne unit was at the combined-arms range, since I, carrying an outfit in the kitchen, fought with a guy from Georgia, he with threats grabbed me by the HB gate, I twisted his arm and grabbed a large scoop, demonstrating the full seriousness of his perspective, that "cook" immediately cooled down and began to address more calmly and respectfully. The next time he grappled with our other (ours was smaller), but when he jumped out of the dining room after ours with a knife, we just took the knife from him and allowed him to "talk" on equal terms. He received a weighty, memorable lesson. ... But not only with foreigners it came to this, well, if they do not understand all the words, it is necessary to be able to explain with "gestures", hands when the threshold of compliance and complaisance is exceeded.
            1. +5
              8 January 2013 14: 41
              Quote: Kite
              well, if not all words are understood, it is necessary to be able to explain with "gestures", hands when the threshold of compliance and complaisance is exceeded.

              Agree to 200%
            2. +1
              8 January 2013 19: 59
              Quote: Kite
              but not only with foreigners it came to this, well, if not all the words are understood, it is necessary to use “gestures”, to be able to explain with hands when the threshold of compliance and complaisance is exceeded.

              THAT'S IT!
          2. Russian 72
            +14
            8 January 2013 16: 24
            I just can't understand! are they that for 2000 km from the fathers of the commanders in the remote taiga lived together? !!! How can this be overlooked? as?!!! First of all, to judge the commanders for pokh *** zm !!! It is significant to judge that everyone sees the reasons for their fucking *** ism!
            1. 0
              9 January 2013 11: 10
              Nobody will judge anyone indicatively, because they killed a Russian. They will judge for fear of yet another manezh. Now, if a Russian had killed a native of the North. The Caucasus would then be judged indicatively, so that even a good part of the world would know about it. Do you still not understand that "our" government is against us, it is for the Chechens, not for the Russians. This power is Russophobic. How do you not understand this. it is not for nothing that in Moscow there is a street of Akhmad Kadyrov, who at one time called for the killing of Russians.
          3. +16
            8 January 2013 16: 34
            Quote: ughhh
            A normal commander will have no hazing


            In order to combat your narcissism or near-mindedness, I will allow myself a remake of one open letter



            Hello journalists and editors of Objective Gazeta!

            We forward for publication the appeal of Russian soldiers

            Aleisk Motorized Rifle Division



            Appeal of Russian soldiers of the Aleisk motorized rifle division

            to all patriotic and Russian human rights organizations


            We ask you to help us, as we are illegally accused of beating up servicemen from Dagestan, they are trying to hang on us the notorious "Russian" Article 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

            A commission came here to deal with the conflict, which consists entirely of non-Russians.

            It was like this, they began to replenish our part with immigrants from Dagestan, at first they behaved quietly, but then, when there were more of them, they began to establish their bestial orders.

            The first to be hit were Russian recruits, who were periodically beaten and burdened with tribute.

            We stood as filthy suckers watched as the owners of the mountains wet our countrymen.

            The following were hit by all the Russians in the unit, including the junior officers. No one from the leadership of the unit could solve this chaos. The officers closed their eyes in fear of being fired.

            Then we ourselves decided to protect ourselves from the arbitrariness of the aggressors.

            As a result, it turned out that these Caucasians made us accused, blamed all the Russians, arrived Caucasian officers built all the Russian officers, and at that time the battered Caucasians pulled and beat us one at a time, ten one.

            The prosecutor's office threatened that another trick on our part, and we were all jailed, they recommended that we endure. "Because you are Russian and your fate is to endure," said one of the prosecutors. And Caucasians generally threatened that their brothers who come here to help will get to our mothers, sisters, girls and rape them.

            Help us, Russian people. We are not allowed to contact the supervisory authorities in writing, even to write to parents, if our letter of help reaches, tell all Russian people about what happened.

            And yet, tell everyone: that the Russians can stand up for themselves, that one should never watch or endure how foreigners scoff at the Russians. May we be an example for all our guys, standing in front of each other in front of the beast, special thanks to the journalist from the newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda, who practically wrote the truth about this incident.

            Russian soldiers of the Aleisk motorized rifle division


            This is how ...
            1. SAVA555.IVANOV
              +4
              8 January 2013 17: 02
              WELL DONE BOYS !! A PROSECUTOR AS ALWAYS ANNOUNCED !!!!! YOU COME TO US AT SEA TO RELAX ............. GRAS !!!!
            2. ughhh
              +5
              8 January 2013 17: 46
              Quote: JACOB
              This is how ...

              Do you know what the problem is? In the commanders.
              1. +5
                8 January 2013 18: 33
                Not in - commanders ...
                Not in the commanders!
                In morality ... More precisely, in its duplicity!
              2. OSTAP BENDER
                +5
                8 January 2013 20: 26
                Quote: ughhh
                Do you know what the problem is? In the commanders.

                Respected! The problem is anti-Russian parasitic power !!!
              3. Misantrop
                +5
                9 January 2013 02: 18
                Quote: ughhh
                Do you know what the problem is? In the commanders.

                ... in which the chief put a young slut with false claws one and a half longer than the skirt. And her stool lover. Should an officer be in the barracks at night? And to earn money as a taxi driver to pay for rental housing, who will be for him?
            3. OSTAP BENDER
              +8
              8 January 2013 20: 22
              Allegedly,
              Quote: JACOB
              As a result, it turned out that these Caucasians made us accused, blamed all the Russians, arrived Caucasian officers built all the Russian officers, and at that time the battered Caucasians pulled and beat us one at a time, ten one.

              And how do you like this scenario? The Tsar of All Russia is the great PU, the Russian people are slaves, the guardsmen, they are also Caucasians! And this is not a figment of my imagination! Russian military officers, rotted in prisons and killed, Chechens who cut the heads of our soldiers, the stars of the heroes of Russia! All major cities are teeming with Caucasians, but they are everywhere in all power structures! The word Russian, becomes a curse!
              1. Azazel
                -7
                8 January 2013 22: 00
                Are you raving Do not wishful thinking.
                1. OSTAP BENDER
                  +4
                  8 January 2013 22: 17
                  Quote: Azazel
                  Are you raving Do not wishful thinking.

                  To begin with, work hard and master the "copy" function so that you can see who you are referring to! If I have a Ukrainian flag, this does not mean that I am an enemy! You just open your eyes, turn on your brains, and wiggle your convolutions. I promise you will be very surprised by the opening world! Add here, daily viewing of the news, instead of football and beer, then we will talk to you! With respect!
                  1. -4
                    9 January 2013 00: 58
                    OSTAP BENDER,
                    and then ostap suffered ...
                    ostap, you are really raving. you will understand in your own country, and then you will tell us about our president.
                    Of course, I'm sorry for the guy, but what prevented him from reciprocating, so to speak? After all, to cut a nose is not a bream to get, for this you can use a razor to the neck, they were one on one. or should Putin personally harness for each? then what kind of army will it be? it’s our guys who sip beer for the most part, and they go in for sports. I would go in for sports since childhood, and the attitude would be different, respectful, this people respects strength.
                    Well, the commanders covering up such crimes, of course, are subject to trial. there is in all this disgrace and their fault.
                    1. OSTAP BENDER
                      +7
                      9 January 2013 01: 31
                      Quote: kos
                      and then ostap suffered ...

                      You want to say that they did not rot military officers in the sterns? What did not shoot them on the street? What do not give the former Chechen thugs of the heroes of Russia? What Caucasians do not scoff at young soldiers in the army? What do Caucasians not shoot on the streets of Moscow? That there are no strange deaths of military generals who have passed Chechnya? What nebylo betrayal in Chechnya? What do Caucasians not keep Moscow and other cities of Russia? What was not Kondopoga? That the Chechen investigators did not come home to the soldiers who served in Chechnya, and did not take them to Chechnya, and did not rot them in prisons? What did your president not know that Serdyukov was a thief and a lecher? What did not see that destroy the army and navy? I can bring many more facts, but, and this is enough!
                      You are raving if you do not see the obvious! Your post is nothing, you wrote, just to write, and try to stab me!

                      Quote: kos
                      Of course, I'm sorry for the guy, but what prevented him from reciprocating, so to speak? After all, to cut a nose is not a bream to get, for this you can use a razor to the neck, they were one on one. or should Putin personally harness for each? then what kind of army will it be? it’s our guys who sip beer for the most part, and they go in for sports. I would go in for sports since childhood, and the attitude would be different, respectful, this people respects strength.

                      This is your scripture complete nonsense! Are you suggesting the guy take a razor and slit the throat of a military man dealing with hazing? You recently wrote in your posts about Christianity and virtue. So is that double standards?
                      Quote: kos
                      you will understand in your own country, and then you will tell us about our president.

                      I do not divide Ukraine, Russia and Belarus into different countries, for me it is one country temporarily divided by the enemy! This enemy is sitting in Kiev and Moscow!
                      1. OSTAP BENDER
                        +4
                        9 January 2013 01: 42
                        Quote: kos
                        you will understand in your own country, and then you will tell us about our president.

                        Does that say the man with the Polish flag?
                      2. +2
                        9 January 2013 12: 44
                        with polish flag
                        Ostape, friend! Do not swords you beads! What, you don’t see that, pshek, dog Crave, you are bred ?!
                        It cannot even write in Russian literally, but can give advice there too!
                        By the way, dear Kos, do you know that the Severny Airport is functioning and is ready to receive guests ?! So, as they say - Welcome!
                      3. 0
                        10 January 2013 00: 02
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        Does that say the man with the Polish flag?

                        Well, you, ostapushka, didn’t recognize me? (Don’t think, now I’m writing without any banter Yes ) We recently talked in you and the flags on all my posts are always Russian.
                        Only it was this message that I wrote from the tablet, and somehow this flag appeared in a completely strange way to me. My first suspicions appeared when I didn’t have to log in when I went from the tablet to the site, although there are no cookies on the tablet from this resource (you don’t know what is happening?).
                      4. OSTAP BENDER
                        0
                        10 January 2013 00: 30
                        Quote: kos
                        such a flag appeared to me in a strange way.

                        Fix tricks! lol
                      5. 0
                        10 January 2013 01: 44
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        Fix tricks!

                        And this is interesting. I somehow tried to access this site through a proxy server. The stump is clear I needed to log in, tk. they didn’t recognize me (IP was German). As soon as I entered my login and password and wrote a message, my flag was as always Russian. But this, in principle, is understandable, if I then created a new account, then I would be supposed to have a German flag (in accordance with IP).
                        So what happened to the Polish flag is a mystery to me ...

                        Damn Fix ...

                        By the way, regarding one people temporarily divided by the enemy, I completely agree. drinks
                        And with the fact that Putin is one of them, no.
                      6. OSTAP BENDER
                        0
                        10 January 2013 02: 12
                        Quote: kos
                        And with the fact that Putin is one of them, no.

                        Deep in my soul there is a hope that you are right! But the facts speak differently! I hope that I am wrong, and Putin is indeed the Russian president!
                      7. +3
                        9 January 2013 02: 39
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        You want to say that they did not rot military officers in the sterns? What did not shoot them on the street?

                        Do you see the difference between global processes in a huge state and a mess in a particular unit? Many times I wrote about this for various reasons, but I repeat - if the company commander doesn’t have to put the blame on the authorities, it’s enough to bring the platoons to life in his unit and appoint normal sergeants and there are so many levers that you can’t carry in two hands
                      8. +1
                        9 January 2013 14: 20
                        leverage under the charter
                        Absolutely right! Starting from the combination of space and time (from the fence, and up to - sunset!), And ending with the banal "removal of debris molecules from the waterway" using a toothbrush!
                      9. +3
                        9 January 2013 14: 47
                        Quote: Ward # 6
                        leverage under the charter

                        In general, according to the charter, you can fuck so that hazing seems like a paradise. I remember at the time of the expulsion of two representatives of the south drove (according to the charter) so that at first they forgot about all their show-offs, and then probably and what is their mother’s name. In a week, they became silk.
                      10. 0
                        10 January 2013 00: 41
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        You want to say that they did not rot military officers in the sterns? What did not shoot them on the street?

                        Yes, there was all this, don’t spray yourself like that (my cousin paratrooper fought in the first Chechen one, returned with a wound and an order for personal courage). We are considering a specific example of the so-called the interaction of two soldiers. I believe that on this issue I wrote everything correctly.

                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        What do not give the former Chechen thugs of the heroes of Russia?

                        Who do you mean? Kadyrov?
                        1) Are there any reliable facts that this man cut off the heads of captured soldiers?
                        2) for those who are capable of state and strategic thinking, this course of our leadership is understandable (an agreement with an adequate representative of local elites to normalize the situation in a complex and strategically important region of Russia).

                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        What Caucasians do not scoff at young soldiers in the army?

                        There are cases where they are bullied, there are cases where our guys (who did not suck beer on the porches, but who went in for sports) give a worthy rebuff and a certain status of the "quo" is observed, there are cases where commanders immediately suppress such shit ... mo, but there is a case where they take eyes. Life is multifaceted and varied. The problem is that you are oversimplifying everything. For you there are wild highlanders and lambs-Russian. But it's not always the case.
                        Not only Caucasians shoot, but also our other citizens (as well as cut and beat, etc.). Of course, there is a certain problem with the stay of these "comrades" in our cities, but it has several reasons:
                        1) banal corruption, when for the loot you can solve all the problems
                        2) our disunity and not always the willingness to help

                        In your message, you deduce the idea that this is almost a state policy. This is not so. But there is a problem, and it should be addressed by the appropriate people, not the president, who intervenes in every domestic conflict.
                        All that you list here are isolated cases, but you raise them to the rank of a system, to an absolute and make your own emotional conclusions (Kondopoga? Was (this is the fault of the local authorities), but in hundreds of other settlements this was not the case. This also applies to soldiers taken to Chechnya by "investigators", etc.)

                        About Serdyukov.
                        Your method continues to work. Was there really nothing positive during his tenure as minister (negati, of course, no one cancels)? Remember the army of 2000. Now radars are being built, exercises are being conducted both on land and at sea, our strategic missile carriers have resumed patrolling, our ships are constantly on sea trips, with a creak, but the rearmament of the army and navy has begun, military allowance has risen, etc. d. So all the same, was there something positive?
                      11. 0
                        10 January 2013 01: 30
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        This is your scripture complete nonsense! Are you suggesting the guy take a razor and slit the throat of a military man dealing with hazing? You recently wrote in your posts about Christianity and virtue. So is that double standards?

                        You understand everything too literally.
                        I just watched the movie "The Drunkest District in the World" here. So there, to the younger brother, who has just been otted as a kutenka, the elder says very correct words. In general, in any conflict, either two soldiers somewhere in a muhoska, or two military-political blocs, the psychological moment is very important: who is ready to go and how far.
                        I understand the feelings of the Russian guy: he does not need a conflict, he is trying to hush him up in every possible way, and certainly, he is not going to go to jail because of some mutant. And that little beast, judging by his actions (he didn’t set it for him), is ready to go very far (perhaps due to his stupidity). This is what determines the alignment of forces and the behavior of the parties. We often do not choose the situations we are in, but we choose a model of our behavior. This guy had a very difficult choice: a coffin (he should have understood that if he had already cut his nose with scissors) or prison. He chose the coffin.

                        About the same situation (just do not cling to the details, I hope you understand what I'm talking about) now in the Mediterranean Sea. Grouping of our and NATO ships. Everyone understands that this can lead to a global nuclear disaster (that is, the cost of error is very high). And again this question is: who is ready to go further? Do the NATO people think that the Russians will not dare to intervene in the conflict under the threat of a nuclear war and therefore start a clear aggression?
                        Will our leadership decide to respond in the event of an attack on Syria?
                        Who is the first to be scared and self-limited in actions?

                        it is not for nothing that they say that in a fight it is necessary to behave as harshly / brutally as possible, so that even in the event of an enemy victory, it would be a feast of victory. And, of course, he would not even think about any repetition.

                        Therefore, I try to teach my son (so far only the eldest) to give the most severe rebuff. If you attacked first, then you have no moral right to demand a humane attitude.

                        About virtue.
                        In Christianity, one of the ranks of holiness is the sufferers, i.e. those who did not resist and, so to speak, turned his second cheek, and turned her to death. But this is a personal choice of everyone and no one forbids a Christian to protect himself (and protecting the homeland and neighbor is generally a holy duty).
                      12. OSTAP BENDER
                        +1
                        10 January 2013 02: 26
                        Quote: kos
                        You understand everything too literally.

                        Yes, just a realist! You have written a lot, and in many respects I agree with you! I don’t want to pull quotes out of the text, in principle we have already discussed everything. I will say one thing, if Serdyukov does not sit down, then you will not be able to prove to anyone that Putin is a "people's" president! I despise the swamp but then, sadly, they won!
                      13. 0
                        10 January 2013 02: 41
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        I will say one thing, if Serdyukov does not sit down, then you will not be able to prove to anyone that Putin is a "people's" president!


                        Politics is a very complex interweaving of interests. And you don’t think that people like ministers are just appointed and removed like that?
                        We recall Litvinov’s People’s Commissar of Foreign Affairs from 1930 to 1939, Chubais of that time, a protege of world bankers. And what did Stalin endure for 9 years? All his deputies were shot as spies, but Litvinov is not. Moreover, after his removal in 1939, Stalin sent him an ambassador to the United States, after which the details of Litvinov’s conversation with the American reach our leadership. agent a reporter (from Molotov's memoirs "140 Conversations with Molotov"). In short, Litvinov spoke of the need for external military influence on the USSR, since there will be no prospects for sub-level activities from the inside.

                        And now Molotov is asked the question: "And how did Stalin forgive Litvinov?"
                        "Forgive me? You have to be more careful, you have to be more ceremonious," Molotov replied.

                        And it would seem that it’s difficult for Stalin to shoot some sort of commissar there.

                        We’ll see, but let's not be so quick to the court, especially since we know very little ...
                    2. GG2012
                      +2
                      9 January 2013 01: 47
                      Quote: kos
                      you understand in your own country

                      Correctly spelled "in Ukraine". Is not it?!
                      Or the owners of "engineering and theological education", as you loudly argued in one of your comments, can write whatever they like ?!
                      1. Misantrop
                        0
                        9 January 2013 01: 58
                        Quote: GG2012
                        Correctly spelled "in Ukraine". Is not it?!

                        Actually, that's right - "in Ukraine". This is if in Russian. A "c" is if in Ukrainian
                      2. OSTAP BENDER
                        +2
                        9 January 2013 02: 05
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        Actually, that's right - "in Ukraine". This is if in Russian. A "c" is if in Ukrainian

                        You are mistaken, right in Ukraine, in Russia! Not right in Ukraine, in Russia!
                      3. Misantrop
                        +1
                        9 January 2013 02: 08
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        right in Ukraine

                        And when did you manage to rewrite it? recourse Just don't say that it has always been this way. For half a century, it was "in the Ukraine" and "in Russia" that was correct. They began to speak "in Ukraine" about 10-15 years ago. And that's not all, and sometimes it began to slip
                      4. OSTAP BENDER
                        +1
                        9 January 2013 02: 25
                        Quote: Misantrop
                        And when did you manage to rewrite it? Just do not say that it has always been so.

                        "in Ukraine" - this is wrong, no one rewrote anything, although they rewrote a lot, but they didn’t rewrite this! I meet the phrase in Ukraine, even on the central Russian channels!
                      5. +1
                        23 January 2013 18: 15
                        Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                        right in Ukraine!

                        Actually, this is a modern "remake" of the spelling. Which, as it were, assigns an independent conceptual meaning to the word "Ukraine" (ie, at the edge, outskirts). In Russian it is correct to write "in Ukraine", although if the word "Ukraine" is interpreted as the name of a certain state-territorial independent entity (that is, a country), without taking into account its semantic meaning, then the spelling "in Ukraine" becomes correct. this and that. Whoever likes it and who brings what meaning to the context. IMHO.
                      6. -1
                        10 January 2013 01: 20
                        Quote: GG2012
                        Correctly spelled "in Ukraine". Is not it?! Or the owners of "engineering and theological education", as you loudly argued in one of your comments, can write whatever they like ?!

                        ABOUT! You are so observant. You have probably noticed that all sentences begin with a small letter.
                    3. +1
                      9 January 2013 12: 22
                      this people respects power
                      In!!! And no demagogues, verbiage! First - in a nickle, and only then, if the opponent has a desire, you can talk! Say about art. About poetry. About high matters. Only at first - in a nickle! They do not respect power - THEY ARE AFRAID OF IT !!!
                      1. 0
                        10 January 2013 01: 47
                        Quote: Ward # 6
                        They do not respect power - THEY ARE AFRAID OF IT !!!

                        For many of them, fear and respect are synonyms, just like animal instinct.
              2. Misantrop
                +1
                9 January 2013 11: 12
                Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                And how do you like this scenario?
                Shitty script, to be honest. But ... from our release, if anyone managed to rise above cap-2 over the years of service, then these are just guys from national enclaves. All the rest of the cap-leit. and cap-3. This despite the fact that neither in the service nor in the education of those guys did not shine. This year we will have 30 years of release, I am texting with many, an interesting picture of this is looming ... recourse
                1. OSTAP BENDER
                  +1
                  9 January 2013 11: 45
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Shitty script, to be honest. But ... from our release, if anyone managed to rise above cap-2 over the years of service, then these are just guys from national enclaves. All other cap-leit. and cap-3. This despite the fact that neither in the service nor in the education of those guys did not shine.

                  Here you confirm my words! Look around, soon the word Russian will be abusive! There Jewish scum Kandelaki, on television, proved with foam at the mouth that the Russian nation no longer exists! Look, horrified! There the great Pu speaks out on this subject!
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0AMQAn_Kg4
                  1. Misantrop
                    +1
                    9 January 2013 11: 47
                    Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                    soon the word Russian will be

                    We will see what will happen later. But now a slight contemptuous shade is already beginning to appear. Not a "sucker" yet, but already something similar. Disgusting, but true
                    1. OSTAP BENDER
                      +1
                      9 January 2013 19: 30
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      What will happen, then we'll see.

                      It may be too late! Look, I think you will be impressed!
                      http://via-midgard.info/news/in_russia/140-millionnuyu-rossiyu-xotyat-razbavit-7
                      0.htm
                  2. 0
                    10 January 2013 02: 28
                    Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0AMQAn_Kg4

                    Well, what are you, Ostap, really a stupid provocative movie.

                    To understand what Kandelaki says, you need to hear all her words, and not just taken out of context. In fact, this is a difficult question, and before you start it, you must always understand the terms. And then we can talk about one thing, but the interlocutor will understand another. The Russian nation as such certainly exists, in addition, according to Putin, the Russian people are the state-forming people, the foundation of Russia (he has been saying these words more and more recently. Starting, for example, from his election articles and ending with the last message to the federal assembly).
                    Here's an example:

                    We must protect the unique experience that our ancestors passed on to us. For centuries, Russia has developed as a multinational state - it was originally so - a state-civilization, held together by the Russian people, the Russian language and Russian culture, which are dear to us all, which unite us and prevent us from being dissolved in this diverse world.

                    For the planet, we, regardless of our ethnicity, have been and remain a single people. I recall one of my meetings with veterans. There were people of different nationalities: Tatars, Ukrainians, Georgians, and Russians, of course. One of the veterans, not a Russian by nationality, said: "For the whole world, we are one people, we are Russian." So it was during the war, it has always been so.

                    The words of this veteran are very accurate in essence. Previously, everyone was Russian, but not in the sense of nationality; Russian was citizenship.

                    Now, while speculating on real problems, Russia's enemies are hitting the weakest point - the multinationality of our state. And it doesn't matter who it is: the Wahhabis calling on the Tatars, Bashkirs, Caucasians, etc. separate from Moscow or our homegrown Nazis shouting "Russia for Russians", all these people are destroying our home. As the saying goes, "the devil has two hands"; if you refuse one extreme, he will gladly offer you another.

                    Perhaps I don’t know, Kandelaki had in mind how we would define Russians? By name? By parents?
                    My father’s father is German, his mother (my grandmother) is Ukrainian. My mother’s father and mother are Russian. I consider myself Russian. My Bashkir wife. Who are my children? Russians? I think and their name is Yaroslav and Gleb.
                    The concept of Russian is very broad. In my opinion, this is not just a people, it is a whole civilization with its own worldview, with its own system of values.
                    As one journalist recalled his trips around the USSR. Everywhere he was his own, everywhere he was understood (not even in the sense of language, but in the sense of a unified view of the world), he understood them, he was in a comfortable environment, like at home. Maybe that's why all these people considered themselves Russian, not nationally, but civilizationally, i.e. one worldview, one mentality, etc. And this journalist compares his feelings about being in the republics of the former USSR now. This is a completely different world, a different mentality, a different perception of the world, other goals, etc. Those. over the years (at least, new generations) they emerged from Russian civilization.

                    So, in my opinion (Putin, in my opinion, thinks the same), we need not to separate ourselves as a nation: we are Russian by nationality, and the rest of you go to the forest, and again to absorb / collect all the diversity of nationalities of our state in the so-called. Russian civilization (of course, there is no question of any "melting pot" that transforms peoples into some faceless "Russians").

                    I don’t know. I could convey my thought ...
            4. Marek Rozny
              0
              11 January 2013 17: 48
              About Aleisk generally funny. about a dozen young boys from the Caucasus drove 2000 Russian airborne troops as children. or dudes shit or someone is lying.
        3. +1
          9 January 2013 11: 32
          Although I am an anti-Stalinist, I regret Stalin about one unfinished business. (Well, when he wanted to overwhelm all Chichenov). He already has one sin less than one more, and now we live with these creatures.
      2. -13
        8 January 2013 13: 02
        Well, why the heck to bring such "news" here? !!!!

        This should be of interest only to a narrow circle of specialists: military lawyers, psychiatrists, unit commanders (on duty). Perverts, mentally ill and sadists have always been and will be, but specialists should deal with them, and preferably even BEFORE they get the opportunity to "realize" themselves.

        А why this site to liken the yellow press and all sorts of rubbish, all rubbish with a scandalous darling to lift up ?!
        Eat that shit on any TV channel now - eat at least one place.

        I think that moderators in vain miss such publications here.
        1. +13
          8 January 2013 13: 05
          Quote: Skating rink
          Well, why the heck do such news bring here? !!!!

          This should be interesting only to a narrow circle of specialists:

          Judging by the number of comments you are very mistaken !!!
          1. +4
            8 January 2013 15: 33
            Alexander Romanov, "mass character" does not mean "correctness".

            I think the information policy of the Soviet era is much more correct, when this type of "news" was not savored at every corner. Of course, such things should be punished quickly and harshly, but bringing it to the level of state news means prompting dozens of people with an unstable psyche ("under-examined" without help) "interesting" ideas.

            For preventive purposes, such information was previously reported to the media only after the "hero" was sent to serve a well-deserved sentence or "watchtower" (which was canceled completely in vain - in the same democratic USA, no one canceled it and is not going to). This made it possible to form an understanding of the inevitability of punishment for a crime. And if the "news" shines in all its glory before he was imprisoned - on the contrary, there is a feeling of impunity.

            In any case, the wrong policy to collect and bring to the surface this dirt ....
          2. Russian 72
            +5
            8 January 2013 17: 55
            Alexander, I partially agree with Igor ... As soon as an article about the USSR and the friendship of peoples appears, articles immediately appear on the likeness of this ... Given the mood in the country, the debate will obviously be, will be quite stormy ... and you know about it .. .
            Igor speaks correctly ... Show the result! What did this bastard deserve! show his face from the courtroom, show his parents, show the commanders! and you stop half a word, incite even more hatred, the story is not finished, everyone begins to think out ...
        2. SAVA555.IVANOV
          +8
          8 January 2013 13: 13
          These, as you say, "specialists" and will sell their own mother, performing their duties with gross mistakes. Can I still praise them?
          1. -3
            8 January 2013 15: 47
            Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
            These, as you say, "specialists" and will sell their own mother, performing their duties with gross mistakes. Can I still praise them?

            If the "specialists" sell the mother, it will be another crime, and a reason for another investigation and another article. Do not lump together completely different things, and do not attribute to me what I did not say.
        3. +8
          8 January 2013 17: 06
          А why should this site be likened to the yellow press and all sorts of rubbish, all rubbish with a scandalous darling upstairs?


          If this is not brought up for discussion and not made public, none of those in power, incl. and the Ministry of Defense will not "scratch itself". And you, apparently, do not care, because for some reason you are not going to send your sons to urgent service, so your soul does not hurt! My youngest is in the Army two years later (the elder is graduating from the military institute this year, and I myself served a conscript and am serving now).
        4. DERWISH
          +8
          8 January 2013 17: 19
          and where else to take out? EVERYTHING SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE CAUCASUS ENTREPRENEUR !!! You have not yet seen that their young on the seas creates! hatred of the Russian from their birth! Or is such a colleague coming home from the army will be loyal to the Russian population? since you can’t touch the Caucasians according to the law then let the law be adequate to the same extent and to such idiots !!!
        5. +5
          8 January 2013 21: 40
          Quote: Skating rink
          Well, why the heck to bring such "news" here? !!!!


          How exactly such things should be done publicly, and then the prosecutors will not have the opportunity to take on their paws and lower the case on the brakes, and quietly close for a long time those who dared to recall their human dignity ...

          I dare to suggest that if the article was about the unrestrainedness in the Ukrainian army, then your reaction would probably be different ... crying

          One of the most important tasks of this site is to bring injustice and arbitrariness to public flogging, to convey * petition to the king *, if the normal fails ...



          In Soviet times, there were no such things, and if it happened, then the guilty would simply be torn up for souvenirs, both civilian Themis and the military (prosecutor's offices, commandant's offices, special officers, etc.) ...
        6. -1
          8 January 2013 22: 37
          I think that moderators in vain miss such publications here.
          I carefully follow the publications of this site and it worries me, because there is a lot of material on chauvinism, nationalism, as it were, by the way ... And since the site is located in Germany, they simply punch through the situation ... It seems to me that this is not the first time....
      3. serg1978
        +5
        8 January 2013 13: 11
        From the mountain republics of our country. Easily distinguishable by last name (Rasulov and so on).
      4. +2
        8 January 2013 18: 16
        Well, where did such m *** come from?
        Like everyone else! From - p ....... dy! By ski!
        And here, to the one who instilled such a point of view on others around him, personally I would have questions!
      5. -2
        9 January 2013 11: 02
        Cut the entire northern Caucasus (except the Orthodox) to the last child!
      6. 0
        10 January 2013 13: 39
        From the mountains. Abreks ...
    2. YARY
      +31
      8 January 2013 10: 45
      I don’t know what the relatives of the deceased are thinking about, but I would have found an opportunity to kill the reptile by any means.
      1. +22
        8 January 2013 11: 39
        ml a sergeant of Caucasian appearance - send to the military field exit with the Airborne Forces ..... let him cough am
      2. Yoshkin Kot
        +17
        8 January 2013 12: 04
        in general, it doesn’t interfere with killing relatives of the Dag, for sheep this is the norm
      3. +20
        8 January 2013 12: 39
        these are big words! which anyone can say but not do !! it’s just US TIME for us to stop drinking drugs and all that like smoking and forget about tolerance and from childhood go to rocking and play sports !! but now you look at these wagons which you break into a snot get sick! then how these mountain children understand only power and not what more!
        1. serg1978
          +19
          8 January 2013 13: 20
          Only, you know, these "vayaks", as you say, still send the army on the cambine to the harvesting room, spill from the conveyor belt in the mine, or work in the laboratory. And to the lumps - to squeeze women in restaurants, to cut them on bekhs, to beat their muzzles. You see, different muscles for different work. Everyone cannot be pitching. Yes, modern weapons do not require this.
          But where was their commander? Didn’t he see them for a month and a half? Who completed the group? Russian lean guy and this stocky monkey. Not a commander? Here it is necessary to ask them for death. Because because of such commanders, these deaths occur.
      4. +3
        8 January 2013 14: 30
        And so it will happen.
      5. DERWISH
        +4
        8 January 2013 17: 21
        definitely !!!
    3. +7
      8 January 2013 11: 21
      Call from the Caucasus. Well, of course, this is a prime necessity.
      1. black_eagle
        +9
        8 January 2013 11: 37
        No, they just need to be called up so that they would not think that they had broken Russia, but at the same time they should be frustrated so that the thought of death visited them more and more often, preferably from the military enlistment office to send freaks directly to the disbat
        1. +7
          8 January 2013 16: 08
          when I was at the assembly point from Severodvinsk I had to see one picture !! I will not talk about everything, but I will tell you about one case! after passing the medical examination, we were told by the team who gets where! there was one losyara from the mountains under 2 meters tall in general health not at all offended, but when he was told that he was in the Marine Corps in Pechenga he BROWNED AND ASKED FOR BACK HOME !!!!!!!! like this
        2. +6
          8 January 2013 19: 40
          For the upbringing of descendants, that's all, before it's too late. We already lost a lot in 91. And "hazing" was before, it is necessary to educate not the generation of "emo", etc., but normal boys with a normal worldview.
          1. +4
            8 January 2013 20: 33
            Quote: ZABVO
            For the upbringing of descendants, that's all, before it's too late. We already lost a lot in 91. And "hazing" was before, it is necessary to educate not the generation of "emo", etc., but normal boys with a normal worldview.

            That’s exactly what I’m embarrassed to write. Guys, when will you start themselves educate their sons? Well, a single mother woman cannot raise a warrior man! The main upbringing is "do as I do". Personally, as a woman, I try to avoid conflict, even if I SHOULD kick it in the face. My position: hide or run away, then complain. What do we need such men?
    4. SenyaYa
      -7
      8 January 2013 11: 44
      Do you know how many people were executed instead of chitakatilo ??? There should be no death penalty in our country, with such a stupid judicial system ... The plan must be made, they called him called a maniac, shot them ..... and the maniac is free .... and so 4 times
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        +2
        8 January 2013 12: 06
        one. already had a similar sentence, so that the dog canine death
      2. 0
        8 January 2013 13: 06
        Quote: SenyaYA
        Do you know how many people were executed instead of chitakatilo ??? There should be no death penalty in our country, with such a stupid judicial system ... The plan must be made, they called him called a maniac, shot them ..... and the maniac is free .... and so 4 p

        The judicial system has nothing to do with, they reveal the crime of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and earlier investigators of the prosecutor's office. The court only evaluates the collected materials and pronounces the verdict
    5. +15
      8 January 2013 12: 18
      I agree - you need such electric chairs, or at least cripple them so that for the rest of their lives they would regret not being killed! And all the relatives who grew this geek in the camp and for a long time!

      PS and our government still thinks - why are there so many deviators divorced, HERE IS THE ANSWER !!! What a normal person would join such an "army", eradicate it by any means, and the prestige of the service will immediately rise 100%!
      1. kvodrato
        +1
        8 January 2013 21: 56
        Quote: 11 black
        I agree - you need such electric chairs, or at least cripple them so that for the rest of their lives they would regret not being killed! And all the relatives who grew this geek in the camp and for a long time!

        PS and our government still thinks - why are there so many deviators divorced, HERE IS THE ANSWER !!! What a normal person would join such an "army", eradicate it by any means, and the prestige of the service will immediately rise 100%!

        I agree completely !!!!!!! 200%
    6. +13
      8 January 2013 14: 37
      The trouble is that there was probably another colleague nearby — a Slav. But he did not stand up for his fellow tribesman. This happens everywhere. If the "snub-nosed" people start to rut, while others look and do not fit. Try to touch at least one "snub-nosed", and everyone who is there will come running, and ours will sit and think: "It's not me!" One kid, works for me as a driver, told how they brought up "snub-nosed". He also served in the Nizhny Novgorod region. These were almost half, and ours were slightly less. At first, the dags had the upper hand, but a boy came to the unit, who was not afraid to answer them. He gathered a bunch of real guys, chopped up the aromas and went to educate the Dag, when in the unit of the officers there was only one "teachable" on duty. They beat everyone who came across both right and wrong. Everything became like silk. The whole trouble is that if there are at least a dozen "snub-nosed" ones, they immediately try to crush everyone. Ours are crushed because of disunity. And we must put them right in place. They are the same when they get in the face.
      1. Russian 72
        +11
        8 January 2013 16: 31
        I agree! My wife's brother came from the army two years ago. He is Russian. I began to question him about the relationship. He told me that there were no complaints about the dagas! There are complaints against the Russians, who, in the case of a mess (when he defended them as a sergeant from the dugs), simply dump or stand huddled in a corner.
        One more problem. The soldiers are left to their own devices. Officers shit what happens in the barracks. No control!
    7. Russian 72
      +3
      8 January 2013 16: 19
      The death penalty for such **** (I can’t even think of an obscene word) is too easy a way out! This is *** sick for the whole head ***! And the patient in this case does not mean a person with a mental disorder who needs to be treated! Life imprisonment in solitary confinement without the right to communicate is just right! Walled up the camera, leave a hole for food! Sartir walled up too, let him live in his shit! He deserved it!
  2. +23
    8 January 2013 09: 55
    and how to punish! ?????? - you need to shoot - who will join such an army, and first of all the commanding staff to punish - not to know what is going on in the unit! ??? how it already got - who will go to serve in such an army! ???? until there are harsh punishments - such rubbish will happen - it feels like the soldier was captured - and not in the outfit ...................
    1. +19
      8 January 2013 11: 27
      Ali cut eggs (sadists should not have the ability to reproduce), the commander in prison for five years ..
    2. 0
      9 January 2013 11: 29
      No one will do anything. These comments will remain at the comment level. Only.
  3. FiReLiTh
    -2
    8 January 2013 09: 56
    From the article it follows that one ml.s.-t. mocked another, allegedly without inciting any enmity ... And how did the deceased become ml.s.-tom? He could not give change? The author’s statement that it’s time for the Ministry of Defense to think about it is finally absurd ...
    Personally, I have a bunch of questions. For example, and the deceased reported bullying and, if so, to whom? If you didn’t report, then the absurdity is complete. Or maybe the prosecutor’s office came up with its own chronicle of events, which it often does.
    Very mixed impressions of the article.
    1. doctor3006
      +9
      8 January 2013 10: 35
      Yes, yes, and the deaf-deaf-mute officers did not notice anything, and they gave the rank of sergeant in a dream to this hairy creature. Is there a brain?
      1. +10
        8 January 2013 11: 29
        I won’t be surprised if the officers in this unit are also not of Russian nationality ... They watched ... they saw everything ... and ... chuckled ...
  4. +12
    8 January 2013 09: 59
    Hang and let it hang, bitch he and not a national hero ...
    PS Bullets feel sorry for the rope for people like him ...
  5. +7
    8 January 2013 10: 00
    Neustavschina just appears at such a "service", they would be engaged in combat training, would be on alert, there would be no time to engage in nonsense.
    1. 0
      8 January 2013 10: 05
      As my good friend once said, the professional of a warrior - why hazing, this is nonsense. I, if necessary, have so many young people according to the charter that there will be stars for him for joy. Immediately make a reservation, I wrote not for guidance on action but for example.
  6. +27
    8 January 2013 10: 02
    And what moron left two people without supervision, knowing that one Caucasian ???? Two weeks a man’s ears were sutured - is that no one has seen? Com platoon in the same disbat!
    1. +13
      8 January 2013 10: 21
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      Two weeks a man’s ears were sutured - is that no one has seen?

      Rather, they saw and knew, but the desire to write beautiful reports to the top is doing their job. The commanders do not need scandals, and here is the result. The only death inadvertently involved. The person essentially dies from torture.
      1. bask
        +12
        8 January 2013 10: 41
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        they saw and knew, but the desire to write beautiful reports to the top is doing their job. The commanders do not need scandals, and here is the result. The only death inadvertently involved.

        Conscripts from S. Caucasus are already coming to the service. With fierce hatred of all Russians .. They were brought up in such a way that they are Russian enemies. And they need to be humiliated and killed. Only a radical reform of WMO Shoigu and GDP can change the situation, but I do not believe this It’s not a pity the corrupt Russian authorities will ......... S ..... shameful ...
        1. +27
          8 January 2013 10: 45
          Quote: bask
          With fierce hatred of all Russians

          The problem is that these Russians could take and pile, but they are all loners. There is no unity hi
          1. +13
            8 January 2013 11: 48
            Fell already and according to the article kindling nat discord ...
          2. +15
            8 January 2013 12: 50
            what is most surprising if the Caucasians are assassinated, then they start shouting at all throats about the oppression of small nations and about inciting ethnic conflicts !! and then human rights defenders went right there with their tolerance and human rights! and so we are pressed RUSSIAN !! the most amazing thing is betrayed by the state by freeing up these monkeys !!
            1. Cavas
              +12
              8 January 2013 13: 07
              Quote: sanek45744
              what is most surprising if the Caucasians are assassinated, then they start shouting in all their throats about the oppression of small nations and about inciting ethnic conflicts

              It’s scary to think from whom they learned this !!! wassat



          3. bask
            +6
            8 January 2013 13: 00
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The problem is that these Russians could take and pile, but they are all loners. No food

            This is the whole problem .. Russian children are prepared at school at home. Towards internationalism, but they will be put on terry nationalism. Physical and moral preparation of Russian children is required before being called up for dest. Service .. And send to the unit not one at a time, but in close-knit groups of 10-20 people each.
            1. +21
              8 January 2013 14: 16
              Quote: bask
              This is the whole problem .. Russian children are trained at school at home. Towards internationalism, but they will put on terry nationalism

              Maybe in the Soviet Union it was, but now it is not so. Secondly, what do you think Caucasians teach us to beat Russians and all that ??
              it’s not so weighty in the army that all Caucasians first and foremost love only their nation. My brother who served, and before the service he strongly imitated the Dagas, met with them radically changed his position and became a pan-Turkist. The only thing that helped him not to be disabled (and he a professional athlete, but against a dozen Dag and Ossetians he was also well trained every day), but there were Czechs and Ingush, and seeing how stubbornly he resisted, they took him to his company.
              And he told me what was done to the Russians in this part. And they were stupidly lowered every day. He says I was really ready to take a knife and cut everyone if the Czechs and Ingush did not intercede for him at the time.
              Here, many say it is necessary to be physically ready for the army, then they will be afraid and all that. First of all, one must be prepared spiritually.
              And if in one part Ivan cuts his grandfather overgrown, in the other in the third all this quickly calms down. The second option is just to be friendlier than the Russians to intercede for each other, but according to my observations it’s utopian like that. It’s easy not only in street life, but in general in many, even in the work where I work now, everyone is trying to do what is beneficial for him, ignoring the other (except when the other doesn’t specifically hit him) and even better if this person is kind-hearted.
              The principle is my hut from the edge until it concerns me, I’m not aisle. Only they forget today they’ll beat you an unfamiliar Russian, and then you and then when they see Russians passing by then they understand but it’s getting too late.
          4. serg1978
            +17
            8 January 2013 13: 43
            All the talk about the lack of unity among the Russians, about the hatred of the blacks towards the Russians, is already sore. When big guys do not want to solve a problem, this tramp begins. And then the unity of the Russians? There Cho, Tatars, Moldova, Buryats - no? You even make Russian freaks in front of others with your comments - and you don’t even understand this.
            It's about something else. Peoples are developing differently. It is not in vain that the north with difficult natural conditions in terms of the degree of development of civilization around the world overtakes the south. Otherwise impossible. You freeze.
            Look at the development of the average Uzbek (they just work for us) and cf. Russian, or Tatar. And the Uzbeks and Kazakhs and blacks - not far from each other in development. The difference is only in mentality. If the Uzbeks and Kazakhs are peaceful, then they have raised dogs from the highlanders since childhood. So they graze with the brains, skills, worldview and aggression of the dog. Now imagine what will happen if the dogs (healthy, pumped up) are settled with normal people in harsh conditions. Here is the hierarchy of the barracks. A dog is not afraid of death during an attack (like any animal, it does not have its own self, it does not distinguish itself from their nature), it has instincts. And the instinct of aggression, if it is launched, is stronger than the instinct of self-preservation. This is the law of nature.
            A reasonable person always thinks about the consequences. And this makes him weaker in direct conflict with animals. Yes, he can win, but this requires special preparation (it’s easy to kill a dog if you know where and how to beat), or you need to become a beast yourself. Not all of this can. And the purpose of military service is not to turn people into animals. Therefore, in the army there are special people who must level the instincts of animals - and for this they have rights. These are commanders. And if they removed themselves and gave people to beasts for food, then they should be planted. It is a crime.
            Here the problem arises: how to solve the problem. You can talk for a long time, but everything will come down to 2 options. Either the commanders should be in the barracks and "calm down" too nimble dogs, or separate keeping of people and animals.
            1. 0
              9 January 2013 13: 31
              Sergey, to the point !!!
            2. Marek Rozny
              +1
              11 January 2013 18: 17
              Serg, you are probably a good specialist in Kazakhs, who, apparently, "not far" have gone somewhere for development. The compliment, of course, is pretty dubious.
              However, on the merits of the question. Kazakh is peaceful as long as it is not touched. And if they touch him, he will devour the opponent with shit. The same Caucasians know this very well, and therefore they do not dig into the steppe people (who have repeatedly skated through the Caucasus). Not only do the Kazakhs (Kyrgyz, Buryats, Kalmyks, Bashkirs) simply do not know how to "back out" during a military conflict (unlike the Slavs, Caucasians, Tajiks), they will also support their fellow tribesmen (unlike the Slavs) ... But Uzbeks and Tajiks are made from a different dough. They will try to "negotiate" without assault.
              In Kazakhstan, Caucasians walk very evenly and politely smiling at Kazakhs and others, not showing their "doggy" at all. However, the rest in the Kazakh steppe are also very polite. Why do you think?
          5. +2
            8 January 2013 14: 22
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            they are all single.

            This is now called "personal freedom".
        2. Slayer
          +8
          8 January 2013 11: 12
          Quote: bask
          Only a radical reform of the WMO Shoigu and GDP can change the situation. But I do not believe this corrupt government. Russian guys would not be sorry for ......... S ..... shameful ...

          Only fraternity and comradeship will help, a couple of Dugs put the whole company and company like sheep to obey him, instead of repelling, at least arranging the dark. And how to fight gathered if a couple of dugs is able to crush under themselves a whole military unit. As long as the Russian Russian enemy is, they will continue to kill
        3. VAF
          VAF
          +6
          8 January 2013 11: 38
          Quote: bask
          GDP may change situation



          ??????????????

          And returning to yesterday's dispute, and my comment about awarding the title of Hero of Russia to Kadyrov ????? (which you "quite well" did not notice!?!)
          1. Cavas
            +3
            8 January 2013 11: 53
            Quote: vaf
            My koment about conferring the title of Hero of Russia to Kadyrov ?????

            Earrings hi , koment did not read.
            But I think that VVP did what EBN did not do with Dudayev, because if he had given him a big "star" then there would have been no all this "dirt"!
            And EBN looking at the United States wanted to play war games !!
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +5
              8 January 2013 12: 06
              Quote: Cavas
              And EBN looking at the United States wanted to play war games !!


              You practically see the root, +! drinks
              1. +6
                8 January 2013 13: 08
                Quote: vaf
                And EBN looking at the USA wanted to play war games!

                Hi all, drinks
                As far as I remember, the EBN at that time wanted to raise Russia's authority in the world by a military operation in Chechnya. am
                1. +5
                  8 January 2013 14: 28
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  As far as I remember, the EBN at that time wanted to raise Russia's authority in the world by military operation in Chechnya.

                  As I understand it, the Chechen card was played in the 1996 elections. Like, Yolkin said: choose me and I will end the war in Chechnya. Stopped ... in Khasavyurt, you know how.
                  1. +3
                    8 January 2013 14: 33
                    Quote: brutal true
                    As I understand it, the Chechen card was played in the 1996 elections.

                    It was in the "elections" if, of course, you can call them such
              2. bask
                +5
                8 January 2013 13: 53
                Quote: vaf
                You practically see the root, +!

                It’s not what the root view By 1994, the massacre of Russian families in Chechnya and the mass exodus of the Russian population from Chechnya was going on. From 1992 to 1994, according to various sources, about 200 thousand mostly Russian families left the country. EBN did not do anything to settle them. Ethnic cleansing will give the size so big that EBN was forced to take on something. And what was going on Burst into the house and cut women from the pubis to the throat, cut off their heads. Yeltsin did not understand what was happening. Here and entered the troops without an order to shoot .. ... I'm afraid that this is starting to happen again, only has a much larger territorii.Polyhaet Dagestan, Kabardino -Balkariya, Karachay -Cherkesiya in, Tatarstan is not quietly GDP ..if not priymet emergency measures to neytrolizatsii Wahhabi underground will obscherosiyskaya trouble ......
              3. bask
                +11
                8 January 2013 14: 21
                Quote: vaf

                Quote: Cavas
                And EBN looking at the United States wanted to play war games !!

                You practically see the root, +!

                You respect Seryozha. Two of my komenty-answers have been removed from you, far away from sin .. And according to Kadyrov and by, “Look at the root,” Maybe it’s right .... Something I parted with. But the Russians left to the mercy of the militants and the brutally murdered ... And the soldiers who sacredly believed in 1994 that they were fighting for the truth of the Devotees by the authorities .. THE KINGDOM ARE HEAVENLY, ALL THE INNOCENTLY KILLED RUSSIAN RESIDENTS OF CHECHNYA AND THE SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS EXECUTED THEIR DUE TO THE END !!! . THE COURT WILL BE DONE, I AM SURE NOT ON THE EARTH, SO ON THE SKY ..
                1. Cavas
                  +5
                  8 January 2013 14: 23
                  Quote: bask
                  Respect for you Seryozha

                  Andrei hi
                  Quote: bask
                  THE KINGDOM A HEAVENLY, ALL INNOCENTLY KILLED RUSSIAN RESIDENTS OF CHECHNYA AND SOLDIERS AND OFFICERS PERFORMING THEIR DEBT TO THE END

                  hi Standing and not clinking glasses drinks
            2. bask
              +5
              8 January 2013 13: 39
              Quote: vaf
              And returning to yesterday's dispute, and my comment about awarding the title of Hero of Russia to Kadyrov ????? (which you "well" not

              The decree on the assignment of the Hero of Russia to Kadyrov was signed by the GDP. As the president of Russia .. This is his choice. I agree with Cavas that this should be done in that situation. To stop the war. There were few Russians in the republic at that time .. The republic became monoenic .Replied???
          2. bask
            0
            8 January 2013 13: 33
            Quote: vaf
            And returning to yesterday's dispute, and my comment about awarding the title of Hero of Russia to Kadyrov ????? (which you "quite well" did not notice!?!)

            Back to your question ;;; ' o ,, hero ,,, I ANSWERED that the star, Hero, Russia, Kadyrov handed VVP. For what merits I don’t know .. This is his choice and he signed the decree as president of Russia.
    2. +4
      8 January 2013 11: 34
      I won’t be satisfied if it turns out that the platoon com was also not of Russian nationality ... looked ... saw everything (it was impossible not to see this) and ... laughed ... The platoon com was the main culprit ...
    3. +4
      8 January 2013 11: 41
      So they put it on purpose. One "senior" (dag), the other "performer-plowman", so to speak for the "good" of the case. In general, they were fired from the "problem" unit out of sight.
  7. lechatormosis
    +10
    8 January 2013 10: 03
    So HERE sent the guy to the unit alive and healthy. RETURNED FROM HERE TO THE Coffin.
    Where the commander of the unit looked or the consumables for him.
    1. DERWISH
      +5
      8 January 2013 17: 30
      and the commander for this for 10 years in the zone because he is the father of a soldier and not a housewife of the regiment!
  8. +4
    8 January 2013 10: 05
    You need to plant such for a long time!
    1. +3
      8 January 2013 12: 49
      Quote: Force123
      You need to plant such for a long time!

      They must be executed forever !!!
      1. +2
        8 January 2013 13: 32
        I don’t agree with this! It’s too humane for him! I advise you to watch videos about the prison (white swan) or (black dolphin)! this is hell !!
      2. +1
        8 January 2013 21: 51
        Quote: 11 black
        They must be executed


        In order to make it in the UWB with the commander of a military base or military unit (or even with all the officers or sergeants who did not prevent or did not report that, for example, Latinos (it’s not Latins in them, but, in principle, ethnic conflict) to some The soldier’s ears and nose were sutured, and then killed? I would really like to see what they would do with everyone ...
        1. Azazel
          -1
          8 January 2013 22: 13
          Definitely such an incident would be hidden. The killer would certainly be punished, but certainly not by deprivation of life.
  9. +15
    8 January 2013 10: 05
    FiReLiTh,
    Blow to the Caucasus, they will teach you there and you will understand everything there, and you will come home with a load of 200.
    ps
    These nationalities are not needed in the army, the day is not equal, that once we train them again, we will have to force them to peace ourselves, haven't we passed? Does Chechnya teach anything?
  10. marc
    +17
    8 January 2013 10: 06
    Commander in the neck from the army, down to the count.
  11. cil86
    +11
    8 January 2013 10: 10
    I myself served an emergency and I will say this. The main problem is that jackals themselves score an order in parts and are afraid of Caucasians.
  12. +8
    8 January 2013 10: 10
    Zhenya,
    I agree completely. I would generally propose a gradual ban on any weapon in the territory of the wild republics under pain of execution. and these gavrikov essno need to keep away from weapons. especially Chich, Dag and Ingush.
  13. +6
    8 January 2013 10: 13
    The boy suffered! This must be so intimidating! At night I would have tied or tied to the bed. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND how this can be tolerated for two weeks!
  14. +11
    8 January 2013 10: 13
    Demanding the commander of this unit to privates, and sending him to serve in the Far North.
    1. +9
      8 January 2013 12: 47
      Such shit in the North does not even need ordinary soldiers to put in a zone.
    2. +4
      8 January 2013 12: 51
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      Demanding the commander of this unit to privates, and sending him to serve in the Far North.

      Send him a forest to the extreme north!
  15. +20
    8 January 2013 10: 16
    the softness of existing laws, the unsatisfactory work of commanders and special officers led to such a result. In relation to officials, it is imperative to institute criminal proceedings and severe punishment. This also suggests that the military prosecutor's office is working poorly. It's time to finally leave the cozy offices and carry out preventive work in parts. Shame and shame on you "commanders" !!! am
  16. Region65
    +11
    8 January 2013 10: 20
    the unit commander, together with this hairy creature, should be planted in one pit, let each other's nostrils be pulled out and their ears sewn up. And just didn’t even understand - why was this under-performing pig doing in the army? it’s like it’s not the first year since the South they haven’t been drafted into the army ....
    1. Etna
      +3
      8 January 2013 11: 04
      Even as they call! All the explosives of the Central District are jammed to the eyeballs !! Plus half of the command ((((((((((((((
  17. +5
    8 January 2013 10: 20
    Ivan Tarasov,
    Nooo buddy, not to the north, but to the North Caucasus, in the stambat.
  18. starlet
    0
    8 January 2013 10: 26
    As much as you can rant ... let them call to the area from where you come from and not scatter and re-hang out the boys around Russia ... often the victims themselves run up (((
    1. Region65
      +4
      8 January 2013 13: 03
      maybe in tsarist times? to put together wild divisions from them and send them to Syria to help the fraternal state?
      1. serg1978
        +6
        8 January 2013 13: 54
        The king conquered these peoples. And never under tsarism were blacks equal to Russians. Everyone understood perfectly well that these were colonized peoples. Children of the nobility were seized, settled in capitals, they were placed in prestigious universities - so that they would at least become civilized people a little. That is, the tsarisi perfectly understood who they really were. And therefore, in relation to military affairs, I applied the only sound practice - you are absolutely right. "Wild divisions" - and into the fire. Pave the way for the Russian infantry. And otherwise - as you do not twist this cube (Rubik) - there will be no sense from them.
  19. Doom
    -10
    8 January 2013 10: 29
    This fool, Rasulov, killed his serf, but could bring him home and serve ... Poor new masters belong to serf vanki, so my great-grandfather didn’t even spoil them.
    1. +3
      8 January 2013 10: 40
      You shit, don’t worry, if we get to you, then we will chant for a sweet soul, you will be satisfied!
  20. +8
    8 January 2013 10: 29
    Hang this hairy monkey for edification by the same one so that the Koran would not be violated and would not be considered a blessing !!! Although it is necessary to start with their commanders, who apparently do care what is happening in their units. They are fully responsible for this disgrace !!!!
  21. fenix57
    +6
    8 January 2013 10: 30
    Or maybe the court Lynch apply in such cases? am
  22. nickname 1 and 2
    +1
    8 January 2013 10: 35
    Every nation has inadequate reality (fucking). In military schools
    (at the conservatory) - something needs to be fixed! And, in addition, the entire commander of the unit should keep the whole officer corps in hedgehogs.
    And if the commander once, due to the heavy employment with his personal (home) affairs, then yes! they must be driven away with the confiscation of these very household chores.
  23. +4
    8 January 2013 10: 39
    What kind of reform of the armed forces can we talk about if the army has terry hazing!
    What is the latest technology, weapons ,. if the soldiers are frightened and beaten to the limit? who will protect the people if the defenders themselves need to be saved?
    A separate issue is the behavior of the deceased. Why did he act like that? why didn’t give change, didn’t report on the instance?
    Many questions and a sad conclusion - such an army cannot do anything.
  24. +3
    8 January 2013 10: 41
    Where did the com look. a platoon to court it must be given.
  25. KAZAKHSTAN
    +8
    8 January 2013 10: 43
    A young man who has grown up on the Internet, once in the army
    I couldn’t understand in any way, what for the password in a guard,
    if he doesn’t know the login.
  26. cil86
    +1
    8 January 2013 10: 44
    It would be better not to call them at all.
  27. Fox
    +7
    8 January 2013 10: 45
    guys, why are you all indignant? I have a different question: why did the guy go to the army unprepared? I did sambo and boxing in front of the army, and I was FSU and grandfather and Natsik ... yes. and I happened to rake, but after no one had the desire to climb. served in Soviet times.
    1. Petrospek
      +2
      8 January 2013 11: 00
      that is, do you consider bullying in the army a normal thing, since you were preparing for it ??
      1. Fox
        +3
        8 January 2013 11: 12
        and what do you think bullying?
        1. Petrospek
          +2
          8 January 2013 13: 35
          so violence against a person in any manifestation
    2. serg1978
      +2
      8 January 2013 13: 56
      So what? Are everyone equal to you? And if you jump from the roof? Jump to everyone?
      1. serg1978
        +2
        8 January 2013 15: 32
        Then they moved me, I wrote a model for all progressive humanity - the fox.
  28. +8
    8 January 2013 10: 55
    This scumbag only lynch worthy of punishment may be.
    But I ask you not to start talking about some genetic tendencies of Caucasians in general to violence. I don't even want to write about what the thugs of the "Russian" nationality did in Magadan in the dashing 90s.
    Although, interethnic clashes, I'm afraid not inevitable. If you consider them as such. We had a situation - our friend had an accident, the Caucasian was the culprit. Let's just say that he lost the first argument.
    I say right away that in the future I’m not at work, I was just an observer.
    They found the Caucasians, and our other comrade (a former navy seal, special forces, from the coastal divers of the USSR model) simply peacefully asked the Caucasians to hand over his fellow countryman. So he said, "There are no complaints about your nation at all, I have friends among yours, but your comrade jailed, you have to ask him" Those, of course, in a pose for their own. He again asked, with full respect for their concepts, not to betray his own. He explained that he was proposing an ordinary one-on-one fight, but with possible bad consequences for the health of the "nasty". (By the way, among "ours" there was also a Caucasian, if that). In general, they decided everything like a man. No ethnic strife. Little happens in life.
    1. +8
      8 January 2013 13: 08
      Dear Magadan, all this is not right, chivalry must be shown with noble knights. Here we are dealing with hairy troglodytes. They calculated, inserted the buckshot and disappeared so as not to endanger the family, and the cops bought would be against you.
  29. cil86
    +8
    8 January 2013 10: 57
    I will answer why this happens. Served recently. There was a third of the Caucasians in the unit, and they immediately began to dictate their rules, ate the hawk only from McDonald's ... slept during the day, and roam at night (and we went out all day). The officers were terrified of the hachets. Pure truth. And when I shouted with one of the Caucasus, five rednecks came to him to help right away, and NOBODY came to me from the Russians. Fact.
  30. +6
    8 January 2013 10: 59
    I am sincerely sorry for the fellow countryman, but the fact that there are such cases in the army is the lack of a disciplinary charter. At the guardhouse, only by trial, the commanders do not have real power. You can’t beat, on the lip you can’t, the outfit is not in the queue, only it remains to threaten with a finger and threaten that we will inform parents. Not an army but a kindergarten.
  31. +13
    8 January 2013 11: 10
    It seems to me that the deprivation of citizenship of the Russian Federation by his father, who raised this animal, would be an effective measure. A father must be responsible for his sons.
    In relation to all commanders and commanders involved in this case, in addition to deprivation of ranks, PENSIONS and awards, there must be criminal liability for failure to fulfill one's official duties.
    1. Guun
      +8
      8 January 2013 11: 25
      There is only one effective measure. Raising children. Most young people are sitting at the monitor disguising themselves as a computer hero, others hang out all day with friends and clubs. But there are 1 to 1000 good athletes there. You need to educate as a man, not wear a child on hands up to 5 years old and ssyukotsya. Why do Caucasians give their children to sports sections when they are 4-5 years old, especially to fight. And you can’t do it? Kazakhs also do that, they give children to sports, mainly boxing. They are not born strong, strong become! Raise children as men and see e how things will change. Just let them sway, muscular in large volumes is beautiful but useless. Teach your children to rely on themselves, it will always be strong and weak to unite around, difficult and sometimes impossible.
      1. +6
        8 January 2013 19: 04
        Yes, it’s not muscle, but strength of mind. We are now raising guys incapable of doing things, i.e. e. any manifestations of aggression are immediately stopped (well, well, the boy doesn’t need to fight). On my own face I had to make sure that the good should be with fists. And about bitsuhi I will tell you one case that occurred in Afghanistan (read somewhere)
        At one of the remote outposts, a Russian guy served in a company with either Uzbeks or Tajiks. So these Asian guys also scoffed at him with a crowd. He came up, told the officer about it, but he didn’t gu. The guy was not athletic.
        The final is simple:
        One day, when the Sadughs thought of burying a guy in the chest and urinated on him, his patience snapped. He was able to get out, took the machine gun, went into the tent, where the stoned heroes slept peacefully, woke everyone with kicks and shot him, After he reported the incident to the officer, and when he appeared as a butt, he opened his jaw (although he had to have a bullet)
        So you have to be strong spiritually, especially since, as a rule, in the army, the most fierce grandfather was the last chmyr.
      2. Marek Rozny
        +1
        11 January 2013 18: 37
        Goon, well, not only boxing shmox helps, but the belief that you always have to fight if words don't help. In my childhood, it often happened that the older guys would beat me up like a child, and I went home whining and complaining to my father. My father himself made me go back to these guys and defend my innocence. I was scared, but I listened to my father more. But then you begin to perceive the world not as a source of danger, but as a field for conquest. And later, in the late 80s, my father gave me to karate (there were specialists at his military unit). After that, I stopped being afraid of anything at all. Even if I ended up defeated in some kind of fight :) I have three dozen cousins, all from different levels of income, different education and even upbringing. But practically all of them studied boxing, karate, aikido, wrestling for some time. Not even to become sportsmen, but to "educate the spirit." Now there is no way to train "spirit" in the field, well, at least the boxing section will teach you not to be afraid of the enemy.
        And my Russian peers rarely ever went to such training. More on the rocking chair, so that "the body was beautiful" or for football. This, of course, is also important, but, IMHO, a teenager cannot do without fighting sports.
    2. +7
      8 January 2013 12: 38
      omsbon,
      What you offer is effective, but for this you will have to crucially to change the constitution, which, as you understand yourself, is impossible. Personally, I think I’m lucky that I didn’t encounter hazing either on an urgent (64-year call) officer or being an officer, and it was impossible on an urgent half of the officers and over-conscripts and they spat on concepts, they had a strong idea of ​​honor. So, there was no hazing, but there were problems with discipline and they started under Brezhnev when they put on the charter and began to pray for accountability, when without the sanction of the political department it was impossible to send an arrest on the lip not to declare.
      The army and democracy are incompatible by definition, there must be a tough demand from top to bottom, strictly according to the regulations. To remove the journalist and "soldiers' mothers" from the army
      Quote: omsbon
      deprivation of ranks, PENSIONS and awards, must

      All this is, when an officer is convicted of a criminal offense, he, by law, is deprived of his military rank, awards and, accordingly, military pension.


      PS Personally, my observation: the army begins to decay from idleness and engaging in unusual things, if something is wrong always commander

  32. cil86
    +3
    8 January 2013 11: 17
    Sorry for the guy, to be honest.
    1. serg1978
      +2
      8 January 2013 13: 58
      Sorry for the wrong word. Imagine yourself for 5 minutes in his shoes. FEARFULLY!!!
  33. +6
    8 January 2013 11: 20
    And the chief military prosecutor recently reported, they say, things are getting better and better. But what about outsourcing? Why are fighters engaged in a bath? Or is it an important strategic object? For two weeks, none of the commanders saw this soldier? The behavior of the victim itself is the result of modern youth education. The answer is very simple - everyone doesn’t give a damn about everything from top to bottom, the main thing is to cover your asshole, get all the bonuses and bonuses, and there, at least the grass doesn't grow.
  34. +3
    8 January 2013 11: 20
    He essentially undermines the cripple of a country’s defense, so there’s a direct road to the wall, and his supporters can also go to a disbath. Unreadiness is also a difficult question. What will the army look like if the nat groups during their entire period of service find out their relationship? called on and to receive a military specialty will be the supremacy of the LAW will be order
  35. Download Do Re Mi
    +5
    8 January 2013 11: 23
    Dag indicatively executed on TV! Company officers and the regiment commander in jail in the cell to the dag, fellow suckers medals of shame issue and send home, these are not soldiers, they are no good!
  36. rees
    +6
    8 January 2013 11: 25
    Quote: Etna

    Even as they call! All the explosives of the Central District are jammed to the eyeballs !! Plus half of the command ((((((((((((((


    but why ...

    Shoigu agreed to increase the quota of draftees from Dagestan

    http://topwar.ru/21531-shoygu-soglasilsya-uvelichit-kvotu-prizyvnikov-ot-dagesta

    na.html

    Honestly - I'm afraid I’ll give my son back to the army in two years ..
  37. +8
    8 January 2013 11: 29
    Another question is what should the commander do? The guardhouse was canceled (wrecking), to initiate an investigation - by your knee in the ass from the army.
    Our "wise" leadership has deprived the commander of all methods of influence with the exception of one - persuasion. But these tales do not work. Strength respects strength. And the commanders do not have such a force.
    I think it’s right not to call on guys from the North Caucasus, or call on the competition with recommendations from their governors and deputies (if he does it, it’s a shame!)
    And the guy is really sorry!
  38. +5
    8 January 2013 11: 39
    It will always be until the commanders cease to be responsible for banditry in the barracks. It is necessary to make sure that it is advantageous for commanders to be imprisoned for banditry. Separate responsibility for the state of military discipline and for banditry. He planted a bandit - received a bonus, hid a similar crime - sat down as an accomplice with aggravating circumstances. Then there will be order. After all, this is elementary, and why people haven’t wanted to do so for decades. Politicians worked up this problem in the Soviet Army, but in reality it’s just ordinary barracks banditry. the dag puts the whole company on its ears together with its commanders. And if they die, then the road is there for them (Lord forgive me), because from them there will be no sense wherever, they just give birth to their own kind and all the benefits.
  39. +5
    8 January 2013 11: 40
    And after such cases, they want their parents to send their children to the army!

    Mostly people are bought off from the army only for hazing!
  40. cil86
    0
    8 January 2013 11: 42
    An officer can shoot a hach ​​from a personal weapon in case of an attack or send it to a diesel engine. If I wanted to.
  41. +7
    8 January 2013 12: 00
    And what are they doing in the units of the clever loafers from the FSB? After all, their representatives are in every part. Here, too, they settled in, "kept secret" and walk like shadows around the headquarters, no return from them. If the commanders do not initiate proceedings on the facts of banditry, then they should do it. That is why they are needed in the units today, and not look for non-existent "spies".
    1. cil86
      +1
      8 January 2013 12: 08
      I'm sorry, what? Get paid.
    2. 0
      9 January 2013 14: 01
      And what do the clever loafers from the FSB do in parts?
      How is that - what ?! You, my friend, have fallen from the moon, or what ?!
      These robots cover all financial and economic graters between sellers and buyers!
      No? Does someone disagree?
      Then, explain, to me, to botany - the captain (!) Otkelist, special officer, one of the military unit of Karelia, a new BMW?!?!
      Working, dear, waving Kyle, tirelessly?
  42. stranik72
    +6
    8 January 2013 12: 10
    the most amazing thing is the article "death by negligence" 2 years probation, and the hero of Dagestan. The insanity of the judicial reform of Dima the iPhone is to show that there are fewer people in our prison than in the USA. And the streets of Russian cities are already scary to walk.
  43. VNM
    +5
    8 January 2013 12: 20
    What's so strange: all healthy, strong Russians either at institutes or are justified, and for the time being there are some goners who couldn’t pay for the section and even buy normal food. And black is considered prestigious to join the army. I would look at the behavior of black if they entered a technical university. He himself studied in this - there are practically no blacks there - they are stupid for this, and those who are quieter than the water and lower than the grass. But if Russian is called up from institutes, then black and in the army will not be up to show-offs - they would remain intact (their education is almost 0).
  44. +5
    8 January 2013 12: 30
    Look at the dag, after all, the monkey is a monkey, even covered with wool, and this one also hugs him happily. I don’t feel sorry for him at all, I set myself this way. And his father had to tear his balls off for such a "warrior" upbringing.
  45. +5
    8 January 2013 12: 35
    Well, the author, if it’s not about incitement, then why attribute such and such with LKN to the photo
    1. stranik72
      +5
      8 January 2013 13: 05
      There is no incitement there is a statement of fact, the murderer is a person of Caucasian nationality. What else needs to be fomented if they, every day, almost in Russian cities either kill or rob or maim. But they are strictly punished and called the nationality of an ignorance. And why, because the Caucasus is an electorate of putmedov and United Russia. According to the last vote, more than 90% of residents voted for them. Everything in this life has an explanation and is very simple. You have to pay for everything. To the stake.
      1. +6
        8 January 2013 14: 40
        Quote: stranik72
        then you still need to incite if they, every day almost in Russian cities, either kill or rob or maim.

        So this is not only Caucasians do. Why only cases with Caucasians are exaggerated, didn’t they ask themselves such a question?
        1. stranik72
          0
          8 January 2013 18: 31
          In%, the most atrocious crimes are committed by them, except you in Russia know about it. And they also know that there is an undeclared civil war in the Caucasus, and someone really wants to transfer it to Russian enclaves. I hope now to tell you clearly or something else.
          1. Russian 72
            -2
            8 January 2013 18: 33
            Do you have statistics? Spread out .... For decency, at least put a figure on the percentage
            1. 0
              8 January 2013 22: 38
              Regarding statistics. In the Russian Army, there are no more than 5 percent of immigrants from the Caucasus (I take the maximum), and in the same Mulinsky disbat there are more than a third of the total number of all convicted "non-instructors". Think for yourself!
  46. +1
    8 January 2013 12: 43
    And what is LCN?
  47. capral-32
    0
    8 January 2013 12: 45
    Dag, to the fullest extent of the law, and officers are revealing their faces in shit (that is, demoralize and attract for negligence). As soon as this formula starts to work constantly (and not for show), the situation will change radically. I.M.Kh.O.
    1. +4
      8 January 2013 13: 17
      Officers should be encouraged for exposing and bringing to justice criminals in barracks gangsterism. But one of them harboring these to plant as accomplices. The principle is this: put the criminal, get a bonus, hide the crime - go to jail. And the officers are responsible for everything. After all, at the production site, the head shop is not responsible for the crimes of its employees, why isn’t it in the army. the workshop will never hide crimes, because he is not interested in it at all, and if on the contrary, then he risks losing his job or will be prosecuted. That's the way it is in the army, otherwise they put everything upside down.
      1. +1
        8 January 2013 13: 50
        Sorry,
        And here there is only one reason, the political workers were not removed from the army, but renamed as deputies for educational work, no responsibility, the commander is responsible for everything, and the possibilities to shit on the same commander remained limitless, plus the "indicators" and everything to the "chiefs" don't care what combat training and preparedness excellent, most importantly, all reporting was openwork plus complete loyalty, otherwise you would die a company.
    2. serg1978
      0
      8 January 2013 13: 59
      Not for negligence. For complicity in the murder.
  48. Eric
    +2
    8 January 2013 13: 04
    Under the fence to be found ... With "natural" causes of death ...

  49. +4
    8 January 2013 13: 23
    the problem is old, and 20 years ago everything was the same, only we were different, and many were youth informal groups (later it became clear what they were preparing for themselves ...) I think you all miss one detail: the difference in growing up, the Caucasus grow up earlier .... call at least from the 21st year, I suspect many problems will disappear on their own, well, work with the officer corps)))) the commander is responsible for everything, with full power)))) to commit morons through a fool with a wolf ticket and a loss of rights for life ....
  50. +9
    8 January 2013 13: 25
    Beasts only understand a stick or a carrot. In this case, the cattle did not feel the presence of a stick (a possible adequate punishment), and therefore behaved "freely".
    I consider the arguments of some "people" that the murdered person is to blame (for the fact that he is not Rimbaud) are inadequate. We do not live in the jungle, where power is everything. Anyone can find a weaker one. So, you can start to mock the weaker and condemn - "It is your own fault (or your parents) that you are so dead"?
    Hello, "people" - be HUMANS.
    1. Misantrop
      +2
      8 January 2013 13: 57
      Quote: tan0472
      they say that the murdered person is to blame (that he is not Rimbaud) I consider inadequate. We do not live in the jungle, where power is everything.
      Here is just one small point. The murdered man is not at all an "ordinary untrained". This is the junior COMMANDER, by the nature of his duties, the one who, according to the thoughts of other reformers, should suppress such manifestations in his unit. Or to assign to each soldier a minister of defense, why waste time on trifles? The officer is your fault? Well, give him, in addition to duties, the right to somehow influence the soldiers sent to him. Think for yourself, WHAT can he do to such a scumbag? To pronounce a reprimand? So he wanted to spit on all the reprimands with the commander together. Initiate a criminal case on the slightest pretext? So as long as there is no crime, there will be no punishment either, and the very same commander will suffer first. Send to the Airborne Forces for re-education? so those - also not a trash heap, they have enough of their own worries, they do not need such freaks. And who are those officers now? Those who have a couple of years left to sit out before retirement or yesterday's students who themselves have no idea about anything. There has been no recruitment for military schools for several years now, continuous redundancies, some headquarters remained. Will the staff go to control the barracks at night?
      Michmanov and ensigns were also liquidated by reformers ...
      1. +1
        8 January 2013 14: 17
        Quote: Misantrop
        The murdered man is not at all an "ordinary untrained". This is the junior COMMANDER, by the nature of his duties, the one who, according to the thought current reformers and must suppress such manifestations in his unit.

        I tell you about moral values ​​that the killer does not have, and you tell me about "new reformers" The current reformers are to blame for the choli, why did the father of the cattle raise cattle?
        1. +2
          8 January 2013 14: 31
          Two fathers, one raised a criminal, the second coward.
        2. Misantrop
          0
          8 January 2013 15: 10
          Quote: tan0472
          The current reformers are to blame for the choli, why did the father of the cattle raise cattle?

          He gave birth to him yesterday, and then raised him all night? Or did this happen, at least thirty years past? Maybe the reformers, before starting to venture, should think at least their asses, if there are no goals?
          1. 0
            8 January 2013 15: 52
            Quote: Misantrop
            He gave birth to him yesterday, and then raised him all night? Or did this happen, at least thirty years past? Maybe the reformers, before starting to venture, should think at least their asses, if there are no goals?

            I did not understand that the nonesh reformers are those who have been "at least the last thirty years."
      2. 0
        8 January 2013 15: 12
        Quote: Misantrop
        Estimate yourself, WHAT can he do to such a scumbag?

        Three times on the "lip", within a month, and then disbat. It used to be like that, now I don't know.
        1. +1
          8 January 2013 15: 31
          Quote: Garrin
          Three times on the "lip"

          Right now, only by the decision of the garrison court.
          1. 0
            8 January 2013 15: 33
            Quote: Aleksys2
            Right now, only by the decision of the garrison court.

            Clear. Thanks for clarifying. Nowadays it was easier.
    2. 0
      8 January 2013 14: 26
      Quote: tan0472
      We do not live in the jungle, where power is everything.

      Unfortunately, we live in the jungle, and it is where strength decides everything.
      as an example

      The question is, how many people tried to separate?
      And a little from the story:

      The Fantomas Case
      The case of the Tolstopyatov brothers was considered by the Rostov Regional Court in 1974.
      Excerpts from the speech of the state prosecutor.

      “After making a small fraction of the piece, bread and dairy departments, a bargaining chip from the cash register, the criminals began to leave the store. And here another surprise lay in wait. When the first two left the store, a pensioner Guriy Sergeevich Chumakov, who happened to be nearby, tried to detain them. a worker who worked all his life as a blacksmith, defended his homeland on the fronts of the Great Patriotic War and was awarded for the courage and dedication he showed in battles against the Nazi invaders with an order and medals, this man rushed after the leaving criminals - one by two, with a piece of pipe - against a machine gun and revolvers . "
      "The car driver Tsunik testified that Arutyunov's car stopped on the tram tracks and two people who, as she understood, had previously tried to take possession of the car, fled to the territory of the Central City Hospital. She stopped the tram, called on the men in the car to get out and help Arutyunov, who was attacked, but Without expecting anyone, she jumped out herself with a crowbar to translate the arrows, but Tolstopyatov and Samasyuk had already fled. "

      Information for consideration, so to speak.
      1. 0
        8 January 2013 14: 44
        Quote: Aleksys2
        Unfortunately, we live in the jungle, and it is where strength decides everything.

        You're not right. We live according to human laws (which are not always observed). The road fighter understands that he is breaking the law. The law is not severe enough (and therefore not terrible). Yet this is human law, not the law of the jungle.
        1. +1
          8 January 2013 14: 56
          Quote: tan0472
          You're not right. We live by human laws (which are not always respected).

          Yes, we have laws, but how are they enforced? And no matter how, you have the strength, arrogance, money and all the laws on your side. And if you are just trying to abide by the laws, then they are making you guilty.
          I have an example, the driver somehow gave a drunk passenger a lift, he started to brawl, the driver stopped at the traffic police post, jumped out of the car and to the inspector, help - they kill, the inspector first tried to reason with words, it did not help, used force, it seemed like the person calmed down, but then he says, "I will rot you all, my brother works in the prosecutor's office." Result, the inspector has 2 years probation for exceeding. That's all the laws. In another case, the district judge returns the driving license for drunkenness on the basis that the traffic police inspector did not salute at the stop, they return it in February, and in March this driver, again in a drunken disgrace, knocks down his grandmother and grandson to death. And the judge still judges so. And you say "we live by the laws" ...
          1. 0
            8 January 2013 15: 05
            Quote: Aleksys2
            And you say "we live by the laws" ...

            If we lived according to the law of the jungle, then there would be no court whatsoever. It was not a righteous judgment (and people understand it), but it was a human judgment.
  51. +2
    8 January 2013 13: 27
    It is necessary to reintroduce CVP in schools. It is necessary to clearly understand that the Russians are their enemies. And if they have the opportunity, they will rape and slaughter Russians. Stop listening to speeches about how Russians are all brothers and sisters. Brothers and sisters, only when, for one of ours, will we bury ten of them alive in the ground. In the meantime, blacks are ransoming their own from the cops for killing Russians.
  52. SAVA555.IVANOV
    +2
    8 January 2013 13: 29
    Don’t forget to allocate an apartment to the unit commander.
  53. Bob
    +3
    8 January 2013 13: 36
    What happened is not an accident, but a terrible “pattern”, and this is what kills most of all - hopelessness.... for those who serve in national military units.
    In Russia there are about 80% Russians, then in military units there should be exactly the same ratio - out of 100 soldiers, 80 are Russians and 20 are all the rest (and of these 20, let’s say, there should be not all 20 Dagestanis, but 2-3). But in reality...?!
    This is how it turns out that not two or three, but a whole dozen nationalists gather in a unit. personnel?!
    The big questions for the command staff are the staffing of units, and control in order to manage processes, and not go with the flow, otherwise a repetition of (systematic) events cannot be avoided.
    Punishment, regardless of nationality, is its inevitability (and often commanders try to hide crimes for obvious reasons) and severity (life for life, if you are crippled, pay for treatment and maintenance for life)
  54. fenix57
    +2
    8 January 2013 13: 38
    tan0472, I really hope that this guy..... WILL FEEL THE STICK very soon! am
  55. +2
    8 January 2013 13: 44
    What kind of officers - such are the orders!!!
    The reason is the same everywhere, officers withdraw from their duties, and their place is taken by stupid people!
  56. +6
    8 January 2013 13: 50
    I’m not justifying the criminal, but why didn’t this Bochkarev fight back? If a person has suffered through life, no one will help him.
    The fact is that Caucasians are very rarely recruited into elite units (special forces, airborne forces, marines, etc.), they go to a construction battalion, railway troops, or, in extreme cases, to the infantry, so it turns out that Caucasians who come to a construction battalion are masters of sports, dischargers .
    I myself served in the railway troops, recruits from Dagestan came to us, they sent me to a company of young recruits as a squad leader, there were nine Dagestanis in the squad, I was the smallest among them (as in the joke), a master of sports, two masters of sports, three sportsmen - wrestling boxing - and I am a department head - 1st category in chess))).
    This is inevitable, the strong become leaders, Russian leaders serve in other, more prestigious troops. And that’s right, there is no need to teach potential rebels how to fight.
  57. +1
    8 January 2013 14: 02
    Quote: SenyaYA
    Do you know how many people were executed instead of chitakatilo???

    In order to prevent this from happening again, similar types of punishment should be applied to judges and investigators (in case of their “mistake”). "An eye for an eye..."
  58. +1
    8 January 2013 14: 13
    Officers are simply afraid to enter the barracks. They are put in a humiliating position by the system. They are responsible for everything, and they are also punished for crimes. That's why they cover them. They were harassed with all sorts of duty around the clock, but there was no point. But you need to make sure that the officer is interested in solving such crimes, this has nothing to do with military discipline - these are bandits. If you solved a crime, you get a bonus, but if you hide it and don’t give it a go, you go to prison , as an accomplice. With such a formulation of the case, the inevitability of punishment will be created and then this mess will end. And all officers from the platoon commander to the brigade commander will be required to do this. First, inform the prosecutor, and then the immediate superior.
  59. +5
    8 January 2013 14: 13
    Caucasians must be crushed systematically and persistently...
  60. Dawd
    +3
    8 January 2013 14: 19
    At our KMB there’s a guy who’s one meter short with a camp, Doug had one of his skulls cracked with a darling, and immediately after he tried to steam him, the poor fellow spent two weeks in the hospital, what does this mean? It was necessary for him to cut out his f..... so that it wouldn’t be a shame.
    1. +1
      8 January 2013 14: 28
      The Russians have no sense of comradeship, hence all the troubles in the barracks. Even when the investigation is underway, they do not show anything about the bandits. Cowards and people without a backbone. Only a change in attitude towards these cases can save the situation. Give large bonuses to everyone who reported directly to the prosecutor about banditry.
      1. +3
        8 January 2013 17: 26
        Sorry,
        Don’t forget how Russian children are raised - from the first grade on, lessons on peace and tolerance, in which teachers (usually women) constantly hammer home (and this is approved by the Ministry of Education) that all conflicts in the civilized world should be resolved only peacefully and with smart words. Lucky are those boys who have good fathers and can turn this worldview around by explaining that truth must also have fists. And the Caucasian upbringing is completely different, where the image of a Russian is often presented as an image of an enemy, a weakling, and mercy for a man is assessed as cowardice - only strength and power are worthy of respect.
  61. 0
    8 January 2013 14: 33
    I wouldn't tolerate it. If he hadn’t understood the first time, he would have stuck a stake in his throat. and amen. You can’t treat people like that, no matter who they are. For every strength there is a strength
  62. +11
    8 January 2013 14: 41
    Dmitry Bochkarev with LCN
    - well, of course, a decent white guy with one of those terrible dark creatures called LKN. And the fact that he has a name can be ignored, even on a decent website.

    Doug has no honor - the guy (judging by the photo) was at least his comrade, and they don’t do this to comrades and friends (in fact, they don’t do this to anyone) ... he showed himself to be a weakling - to crush someone who is scared To such an extent is a shame. Normal people try to stand up for such people if necessary.
    If there is no spiritual nobility, nothing will help a person.

    Russian boys have a systemic problem - they don’t feel like brothers. No one (in their right mind) will even mention the cowardice of Russian guys after what they showed in the Second World War. It is not necessary to lead to a “Russian Revolt”, you can use symmetrical counteraction to any problem.
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      0
      8 January 2013 15: 41
      In the photo, most likely the beginning of their acquaintance, while on equal terms, until one probed the other, and then little by little it began. So how can I be friends with you after that? Once upon a time, in one topic about a murdered FSB officer, I wrote “there will be a war in Dagestan”, a year and a half has passed since then and the “flywheel of permissiveness” is spinning more and more, you are blackmailing Russia with the department, that’s why they allow you to destroy normal people, you feed the “garbage” with caviar from the Caspian? you can do anything!??? WHY IS THIS HAPPENING???
      1. 0
        8 January 2013 16: 19
        Minus is mine. I don’t even want to explain why.
  63. -2
    8 January 2013 14: 51
    I profess an objective view of things. And therefore, looking at the photo, I don’t see any hostile relationship. Quite the contrary. So the investigation must conduct an objective investigation, and the court must pronounce a verdict. Otherwise, nothing is really known yet, and particularly hotheads would have already committed reprisals. And in general, the approach of the reactionaries is no better than the “Caucasian atrocities.”
  64. toguns
    +2
    8 January 2013 15: 12
    wassat I read the news, unfortunately, this happens sometimes, but what killed me most were some commentators, the feeling that they heard about the army from pictures and exclusively on the Internet.
    I’ll say right away that units are different. I had a unit that was considered to have a statutory strength of around 1500 people, but even in it, judging exactly, there were 50 hazings out of 50 orders of magnitude. About my battery, you can say, in general, that there was a charter with that difference that if the battalion commander was evil, everyone got it, and he beat him painfully, like no other master of sports in kettlebells, a carcass weighing 150 kg, let’s move a little lower to the platoon, if we say here was the most interesting thing, I saw how my own, roughly speaking, Russian sergeants were doing almost the same thing that the Dagestanis, with the same difference, were not very zealous for fear of getting lyuli from the same battalion commander.

    Well, with an extremely weak psyche, predisposed to slavery, the hardships of deprivation and other military everyday life endured.
    there were such idiots, what can be said about this contingent, if in civilian life they are looking for such simpletons so that they can throw off part of their work, then in the army it’s even more of a mockery, the army is essentially the same cross-section of society.
    I wouldn’t take such people into the army, but I don’t know if there are any ways to weed out such people.

    hardships...
    It also happened that after a year of service, people began to have problems with their heads, let’s call it, some, in order to distract themselves from this, began to mock the young, and some, more decently, went crazy on their own.

    copying your sergeant...
    the funniest and not very incident, so I was actually leaving for demobilization and I see one of the young sergeants in my battery definitely reminds me of someone at the beginning of my service, bam I remembered the sergeant from the 3rd platoon, he was a rare ghoul, and so this young one adopted all the subtleties bullying from his more senior colleague.

    how to overcome hazing or reduce its intensity???
    In our unit, this issue was resolved simply, those who were particularly zealous were driven to the bedside table for several weeks, or even worse, and lo and behold, these people, for some time, lost the desire to be so naughty.
  65. 0
    8 January 2013 16: 11
    I don’t know who you are, what position you hold and how long you’ve been serving. Or are you writing that you’re a loser? In Soviet times, I started my service (1966) for three years, and what’s happening today cannot be compared to hazing. Then they began to serve for two years and, in general, everything remained as it was. Then they began to conscript anyone, with all physical and moral disabilities, and only for a year. And so it began. And when they began to conscript for a year, bandits and national minorities simply began to hang out there. And the Russian kid turned out to be a moron and was able to defend himself. Only officers can save the situation, provided that they do not hide. and reveal it all.
    1. toguns
      +1
      8 January 2013 16: 37
      Quote: Pardon
      I don’t know who you are, what position you hold and how long you’ve been serving.

      served as a conscript soldier.
      Quote: Pardon
      Or are you writing asshole?

      No, I’m absolutely sober, I told what happened in my unit without embellishment, my grandfather’s units were standing nearby, I believe it was much more terrible there than ours, and by the way there were no Dags there.

      Quote: Pardon
      In Soviet times, I began my service (1966) for three years; hazing cannot be compared to what is happening today. Then they began to serve for two years and, in general, everything remained as it was. Then they began to conscript anyone, with all physical and moral disabilities, and only for a year. That’s how it began. And when they began to conscript for a year, bandits and national minorities simply began to hang out there.

      He took a fork and began to remove the noodles from his ears, in fact there was hazing and only few people spoke publicly about this in front of you, if only there were a site like this then we would learn a lot of interesting things about those times.
      when did I serve???
      I just caught the transition from 2, then there were two calls for 1.5 and after that a year.
  66. +3
    8 January 2013 16: 17
    Gentlemen, let’s just not immediately blame the authorities, or rather Putin personally, in the discussion, because this is clearly stupid - one person is not able to fix everything

    and I recommend that these speakers be turned off "serf" modewhen the master must think for everyone, and the serfs only obey orders - maybe then you can live normally

    about the USSR, and that everything was ok .. yes, it’s nonsense, even my father knows what “black battalions” are, another thing is that then young people were more educated, socially brought up, etc., so there was less chaos, and the officers were better, needless to say, the competent work of the deputy for educational work made it possible to stop such moments at the stage of their inception

    about the need for the authorities to educate young people (there was one such speaker here) - maybe it’s worth educating your children and acquaintances yourself, rather than sitting on the Internet and writing a bunch of angry, stupid comments?

    What I agree with is that it is necessary to increase the responsibility of officers for discipline, train them in this matter (let’s note, TRAIN), then there will be order, no matter what nationalities serve there

    and don’t be shy about sending particularly zealous soldiers to disbat

    and the soldiers still need to be busy so that they don’t have time for “nonsense”, fortunately they serve for a year, they can easily withstand the load
    1. 0
      8 January 2013 16: 21
      Quote: Bad
      Gentlemen, let’s just not immediately blame the authorities, or rather Putin personally, in the discussion,

      And who would think of making Putin guilty here? There are complaints about the commanders.
    2. +1
      8 January 2013 16: 36
      To whom much is given, much must be asked, including from the Supreme. Hazing did exist in Soviet times, but there was no such banditry. Officers need to be given room in this fight. If you lock up a bandit, you get a bonus, if you hide them, you end up in the same cell. Then it will reach the inevitability of punishment, and then the issue will be resolved, and without this, in today’s conditions, this problem cannot be solved.
    3. Beltar
      0
      8 January 2013 17: 08
      Dealing with a gang of Caucasians is not a problem for a company of Russians; let them kill you, they will kill you. However, they are not allowed. This is not according to the law. And if so, then who should solve the problem? The soldiers themselves, or the leadership of the country.
  67. 0
    8 January 2013 16: 31
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And who would think of making Putin guilty here? There are complaints about the commanders.


    So read the comments from the beginning, you will find such cunning ones :)
  68. 0
    8 January 2013 16: 56
    They write whatever they want, but not enough, and one might say that almost no one proposes measures. So maybe this is the problem? Hanging officers, increasing their responsibility and other nonsense. It is necessary to fundamentally change the approaches that developed back in Soviet times, by the way, with the help of political workers. who taught how to compile statistics on military crimes.
  69. -1
    8 January 2013 17: 00
    A specific measure is to put each dag upon arrival at the unit in a cage, the monkey must sit in the cage, that’s all.
  70. Beltar
    -3
    8 January 2013 17: 06
    1) The country must legalize collective responsibility for peoples who for some reason are not satisfied with civilized laws.
    2) Representatives of disloyal nationalities should be deprived of the right to perform military service. Only Russians should have the right to arms.
    3) Nationality included in the lists as disloyal should be sufficient grounds for denial of employment, entry into large cities, etc.
    4) Any representative of a disloyal nationality has the right to receive a certain amount of money and go to any country that agrees to accept him without the right of return, both for him and for his children and grandchildren.
    1. +6
      8 January 2013 17: 16
      And who are the disloyal nationalities? Dagestanis? Ossetians? Ingush? Or maybe Anglo-Saxons, Japanese, French?
      And for example, are the people of the city of Solntsevo, who gave the country the Solntsevo criminal group, disloyal to Russia?
      Dear Beltar, silence is golden.
      1. Beltar
        0
        8 January 2013 18: 49
        Chechens come naturally. Crimean Tatars. Dagestan is full of peoples. But some people live and work for themselves, while others are bored. The court will decide who will be disqualified. All the statistics are available, in Russia, for example, there are at least 3 million Tatars, are they disturbing someone, firing Kalash rifles at weddings in the center of Moscow, taking hostages and slaves? I don't think I've heard a single case. Are the Chukchi disturbing anyone? No, all clashes on ethnic grounds are connected with Caucasians. So let's continue to pretend that the problem doesn't exist? At one time, Joseph Vissarionovich showed how such problems should be solved, and mind you, there was no bloodshed. And those repressed by him are the first candidates.
    2. toguns
      +2
      8 January 2013 17: 24
      Quote: Beltar
      1) The country must legalize collective responsibility for peoples who for some reason are not satisfied with civilized laws.
      2) Representatives of disloyal nationalities should be deprived of the right to perform military service. Only Russians should have the right to arms.
      3) Nationality included in the lists as disloyal should be sufficient grounds for denial of employment, entry into large cities, etc.
      4) Any representative of a disloyal nationality has the right to receive a certain amount of money and go to any country that agrees to accept him without the right of return, both for him and for his children and grandchildren.

      Anton, do your parents and grandparents know that you are a poor Natsik???
      1. Beltar
        -1
        8 January 2013 18: 58
        I'm not a Nazi. Moreover, I am offering the proud mountaineers what they want. If they don’t like our laws, then we will judge them by theirs. For the wrongdoing of one, the entire family is punished. Because they understand this. They found a Russian slave in the village - burn the whole village. Because it doesn’t happen there that everyone doesn’t know about one thing.

        Like it was in my parents’ childhood film: “Did you steal it according to Soviet laws?”
        1. Russian 72
          +1
          8 January 2013 19: 07
          And if, God forbid, you commit a crime out of your stupidity... how and who should you judge? I’m not asking nationality... your parents and relatives will be glad that because of your stupidity they will be kicked out of their city... even if they didn’t know about your intentions and they raised you normally... you just didn’t listen! what are we going to do with you?
        2. toguns
          +2
          8 January 2013 19: 21
          Quote: Beltar
          I'm not a Nazi. Moreover, I am offering the proud mountaineers what they want.

          wassat
          Of course you are not a Nazi, you just share their views.
          Quote: Beltar
          If they don’t like our laws, then we will judge them by theirs. For the wrongdoing of one, the entire family is punished. Because they understand this. They found a Russian slave in the village - burn the whole village. Because it doesn’t happen there that everyone doesn’t know about one thing.

          I also don’t like some of our laws, due to their insanity and failure to comply with them by the state as a regulatory body.
          Should I be burned for this too???
          Quote: Beltar
          Like it was in my parents’ childhood film: “Did you steal it according to Soviet laws?”

          As blah blah thought, everything is clear with you, in order to demand something from Caucasians you need to fulfill the laws yourself.
          By the way, the method of placing all the blame for your failures on anyone other than yourself has been known for a long time :)
          1. Beltar
            -1
            8 January 2013 22: 58
            I follow the laws, and it’s normal for me that I have to live by these laws, go to work, and not rob, and firing a Kalash in the city center is generally not comme il faut. Not for them. Well, if not, then what else remains? No legal system will work unless the general population accepts it.
            The problem is not the first year or even the first century, and as practice has shown, the approach to proud mountaineers according to their own concepts works best.

            Moreover, they themselves strongly stir up public opinion when a mass fight occurred somewhere and Caucasians were punched in the face. Not for punching someone in the face, but for something quite specific, and after this comes Kadyrov’s statement that Chechens don’t behave like that. Yes, yes, we readily believe.

            If the state does not solve the problem, sooner or later the people themselves will solve it, but they will solve it with a sea of ​​blood.
  71. +1
    8 January 2013 17: 20
    Only an officer educated with the concept of officer honor, and not an employee of the Russian army, as they are now, can defeat such phenomena in the army. If some general of the tsarist army had tried to scold the young lieutenant on his mother’s side, he would have received a challenge to a duel, would have refused, the officer’s court of honor would have tried him and declared him a scoundrel and a coward; not a single Russian officer would have shaken hands with him. And our civilian staff member swore at the Hero of Russia, a paratrooper colonel, and nothing, they are employees and they are employees. Well, we probably need to take the experience of the tsarist army in forming a sergeant corps. Quote: “In order to comprehensively prepare long-term servicemen for responsible work as a non-commissioned officer, a network of courses and schools was deployed in the army, which were created mainly at regiments. Training at courses and in regimental schools brought unconditional benefits. Among the non-commissioned officers there were many gifted people who could skillfully explain to soldiers the basics of military service, its values, duty and responsibilities. By mastering knowledge and gaining experience, non-commissioned officers became the first assistants to officers in solving the tasks facing companies and squadrons. In a combat situation, the vast majority of non-commissioned officers were distinguished by excellent courage, carried the soldiers along with them. In the Russo-Japanese War, non-commissioned officers often performed the duties of officers called up from the reserves." There is also good experience of the tsarist army, national units, such as the “Wild Division”, but in my opinion this is an extreme case.
    1. Beltar
      0
      8 January 2013 18: 54
      Learn the materiel, a duel between unequals is impossible, and you cannot call a commander, or simply a senior officer. Even if you make a challenge, he has the right to reject it. Unless you caught him with his wife, maybe it will pass, but it’s not for yelling at work.
      Actually, this is the main principle of the duel, that equality in everything, hitting by a subordinate is not considered an insult, but anyone is obliged to obey a superior.

      It takes years for national units to transform from a crowd of rabble-rousers who do not understand the Russian language into disciplined formations. And they fight, let’s say, badly.
      1. +1
        9 January 2013 02: 12
        I didn’t write: I yelled, I cursed, it seems to me that there is a difference. The Durasov Code reads: 7. When a nobleman is challenged by a commoner, the first is obliged to reject the challenge and give the latter the right to seek satisfaction through judicial procedure.

        8. In case of violation of the right of a nobleman by a commoner, despite the offensiveness of his actions, the first is obliged to seek satisfaction with the judicial procedure, as he suffered from a violation of the right, but not from an insult.

        9. If, despite this, the nobleman still wishes to fight, then he has the right to do so only with the formal written permission of the court of honor, which considers whether the enemy is worthy of the honor being shown to him. Not a word about seniority in service. I remember the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs P.A. Stolypin challenged some deputy to a duel for the “Stolypin tie”, who was more important, the deputy or the minister? And if the lieutenant is a count and a general is one of the “men” like Kornilov, for example, what, did the lieutenant simply punch such a boss in the face? Although Kornilov had a concept of honor and said about this: “The soul is for God, the heart is for a woman, duty is for the Fatherland, honor is for no one.”
  72. -1
    8 January 2013 17: 20
    I look at the minuses and think that we will soon reach the Norwegians, the minuses apparently want everything to be arch-civilized with these nonhumans, to bring them moderately hot coffee like Breivik.
  73. +2
    8 January 2013 17: 24
    Quote: Pardon
    To whom much is given, much must be asked, including from the Supreme. Hazing did exist in Soviet times, but there was no such banditry. Officers need to be given room in this fight. If you lock up a bandit, you get a bonus, if you hide them, you end up in the same cell. Then it will reach the inevitability of punishment, and then the issue will be resolved, and without this, in today’s conditions, this problem cannot be solved.


    and as I see you may be sick..

    You might as well ask the fly's family for your fly that was eaten by a spider - don't you know? strange... why should Putin know? First, sit down and figure out what the duties of the president are, maybe then one thought will just come to your not very smart head - that it is impossible for anyone to keep track of everything in such a huge country, and he cannot control every official. If it’s difficult, then imagine that Putin is a Top Manager, who has many branches under his command with a bunch of managers who have their own bunch, etc. Do you think the top manager knows how a certain employee works in a distant office? No, of course not - because the task of the TOP is to take the company to the forefront, even if a couple of hundred company employees suffer in the process - this is life.

    Hazing has always existed, even when they fought in the Second World War, they just write about it now, but not then. In the same unit where I served, during the Soviet era, a soldier was burned alive in a stoker's room, having first broken his arms and legs. Do you think this was written somewhere? I'm glad that those nits were eventually found.

    Give officers room in this fight.. They turned it down.. And now why aren’t they giving it? They have enough leverage to beat anyone with cancer. It’s just that some people don’t want to, but others can’t. And where they can, they don’t write about them, because now we write “bad” things.

    He imprisoned a bandit, received a bonus... an idiot's dream. Because with this approach there will be a ton of bandits in every unit. He hid it - I agree, it’s not the officer in the company who is hiding it, but the command. Actually, the military prosecutor's office deprives the next unit commander of its warm places from time to time.

    You would make an excellent surgeon, if only you could cut. And problems must be solved before they arise ;)

    Especially regarding hazing, people, for the most part we served, and we know very well both its advantages and disadvantages, and someone enjoyed its benefits, and someone suffered from these benefits. I don’t need to talk about fluffiness, every serviceman has his own “jamb”, and cowardice is one of them. Another thing is that we didn’t descend into chaos... but someone else may have.

    Personally, for us, conflicts usually arose when soldiers had a lot of free time. If a soldier works and studies all day, he only thinks about one thing - sleep. From time to time it’s still about women .. but already in a dream :)

    z.y. And I also disbanded to hell, excuse the rudeness, the committee of soldiers’ mothers, because in addition to being useful, they also bring great harm, because when an officer puts another soldier in his place, these madams come running and start a song - they are offending their son, you are monsters and sadists here and etc. I've seen enough of these mothers in the army, especially when one of them came running to me and started - that I and the soldiers in the company were hurting his poor child... a child the size of a closet 2 by 2 meters, who who the hell would hurt (and there weren't even any attempts like that). was), especially considering that our average growth was 1.65. But he just wanted to go home, so he made up stories about what monsters there were around, so much so that the prosecutors came after the fact of the inspection.

    True, thank God they figured out what was what quickly, and sent this son from the Moscow region ... to a unit near the city of Svobodny (look where this city is, there are definitely bears riding motorcycles in earflaps), so that the minds of non-soldiers’ mothers would not blow his mind , not to officers.
    1. 0
      8 January 2013 20: 02
      Yes, indeed, I have been sick with this for forty years. I will try to answer your theses.
      1. When I see a cobweb in my apartment, I’ll just remove it. And the flies will live, although I don’t need them either. I sat down and sorted out the duties of the president. He is the guarantor of the Constitution for all citizens, and for the Moscow Region he is also the Supreme. And our country is not at all huge in terms of population, and the armed forces are not the largest. And he has millions of these controllers. It’s precisely that he is a top manager, but if he were a ruler, many things can be solved easily. So he can’t take the country to the top, and the armed forces are simply at a low level. Compare the Israeli or NATO armed forces.
      2. hazing really always existed. Just don’t touch the Second World War, there, with such a range of years of birth of soldiers, this was reduced to nothing. But in Soviet times, when the marshals and other generals had sons, nephews and grandchildren and they had to continue serving in army, this began to manifest itself in unrest in the army. They began to cover up these crimes, but still it did not have such a manifestation as bantitism. Having served in the D.Vostok, I can also cite the wildest cases in Soviet times, but they were isolated, but in Belarus this did not happen at all.
      3. Yes, officers are placed in such conditions by the system that they are forced to cover up crimes, and this also comes from the Sovarmiya. A criminal case can only be opened by a command unit, and this threatens him with official troubles. How come you have a crime, which means you have little rank Let's slow down... and why the hell does he need that?
      4. And let me be an idiot and a fool in your opinion, but ask any career officer and he will confirm my thoughts. An officer should not be responsible for banditry, just as a production manager in civilian life is not responsible for this. He should be interested in eradicating even the urge to do this, but in the Armed Forces they did nothing but combine military discipline and bandits into one. Therefore, everyone who informs about bandits should be paid a cash bonus. This just fits into the performance of a top manager, if we speak in your language and in the market language.
      5. I would be a surgeon, but God doesn’t give a horn to a lively cow. But you’re just commenting, and where are your suggestions?
      6. It’s not just due to lack of time. I served in the air defense, and there the soldier and officer have no time at all due to round-the-clock combat duty. Everything is connected by the fact that there is no inevitable punishment for what they have done.
      7. I completely agree about the soldiers’ mothers. This is a US structure. And they get the money from there.
  74. +3
    8 January 2013 17: 42
    It’s not customary to speak badly about the dead, but I will say this. This Bochkarev is not a good guy, he’s akin to small cattle. Until such guys learn to give back, they will humiliate our brother everywhere. What stopped him while this hairy native of the mountain ranges was sleeping, to fuck him thoroughly with the same leg from a stool and then shove it into his private place, I’m sure it’s better than ending up like a slaughtered dog. Have pride, men. After all, our grandfathers killed the fascist bastards. Don’t dishonor the memory of your grandfathers and don’t lose your honor
    1. Beltar
      0
      8 January 2013 22: 59
      And then I would sit down for it.
  75. 0
    8 January 2013 18: 23
    Quote: tomket
    A specific measure is to put each dag upon arrival at the unit in a cage, the monkey must sit in the cage, that’s all.


    It’s as if the Caucasians are acting lawlessly in the army, there are plenty of bad ones among us too, Russians
    1. Beltar
      -1
      8 January 2013 23: 02
      You can calculate the percentages. And Russians do not form compatriot gangs, and also do not experience an inferiority complex in relation to the state-forming people, since they themselves belong to it. I am Russian and Russia is my country, for some person from the Caucasus, even if he lives in Moscow, no.
  76. yurik
    -3
    8 January 2013 18: 29
    All this arbitrariness is due to the fact that our wretched army is still recruited by yesterday’s schoolchildren from the common people. it is clear that the children of oligarchs and officials will not serve in it, therefore the “sacred” duty assigned by the Yeltsin constitution to protect their interests, castles on the ruble, their private possessions is assigned to ordinary boys, moreover, for the purpose of economy. Unlike the American imperialists, in order to protect their oligarchic homeland, they spared no expense and created a mercenary army, which in case of war would crush what is called the Russian armed “forces”, it would only be a pity for our children
  77. +1
    8 January 2013 19: 13
    Quote: yurik
    All this arbitrariness is due to the fact that our wretched army is still recruited by yesterday’s schoolchildren from the common people. it is clear that the children of oligarchs and officials will not serve in it, therefore the “sacred” duty assigned by the Yeltsin constitution to protect their interests, castles on the ruble, their private possessions is assigned to ordinary boys, moreover, for the purpose of economy. Unlike the American imperialists, in order to protect their oligarchic homeland, they spared no expense and created a mercenary army, which in case of war would crush what is called the Russian armed “forces”, it would only be a pity for our children


    as if in Soviet times the children of high-ranking officials served in the army :) Or are you not familiar with the concept of a sports company? Well, yes, for this you have to serve in the army

    Apparently, it’s another swindle, from the category of bots with manual control mode, the main thing is to mess up and mess up, and we got here

    ordinary boys, as you write, first of all defend the interests of their Motherland, i.e. family, relatives, foundations, etc., so this is not the site where everyone will start to grab their pitchforks with such stupid statements of yours, here are thinking people

    mercenary armies will not crush Russia, because what makes sense to them is the money they earn, if the place where they spend it is covered with a lot of nuclear fungi - take away the air cover from the same Americans, and they won’t last long - because they quickly get used to good conditions for waging war, and We fight bad ones all the time :)

    z.y Administration, maybe it’s time to ban provocateurs right away, otherwise we’ll grow to popular resources like Lenten.ru, where it’s impossible to have any kind of dispute with such hired fools - they’re all bad and pathetic, everything’s fine over the hill (so what? don’t they go there?), our story is made up, etc.
  78. 0
    8 January 2013 19: 26
    Dear Beltar, this is what happens in life. By a court decision, a person is deprived of certain rights, mainly imprisonment; there are other restrictions for those with a criminal record. What else do you need?
    How quickly did you make the Chechens guilty, and for example the Syrians, they are in the same situation, are they to blame? Or Libyans? Iraqis? Yugoslavs?
    The 1917-1922 intervention against Russia, what were the Russians to blame for?
    1. Beltar
      +1
      8 January 2013 23: 14
      What does this have to do with intervention? You simply do not understand the Caucasian mentality. If someone has a slave in the village, then the whole village knows about it. Well, if they know, then they are guilty. This is how they live. Attempts to approach them with our laws simply will not work.
      I myself come from Tatarstan, local young Tatars are not particularly different from Russians, but guess what will happen if two older Tatars from the same village meet somewhere in Moscow? Everything will immediately lose meaning, the main thing is that they are from the same village, and they will do anything for each other. Do you need to arrange for a relative? No question, and don't care about the matter. The community is highly developed. Russians have not had this for many centuries; Russians are the same everywhere to Russians. Likewise, 5-6 people from the Caucasus will gather in one part and that’s it, fellow countrymen, while the remaining 100 Russians are basically on their own. And it’s far from a fact that they will be able to repel even a small gang, and it’s much more difficult for a Russian to get killed in particular.

      Well, since people live according to tribal concepts, then the approach to them should be appropriate. And if they don’t like Russians for a generation, then even more so.
  79. Skinny
    0
    8 January 2013 19: 31
    Pig ducks are not a friend.
  80. +1
    8 January 2013 19: 40
    The issue needs to be resolved differently. The education of all nations, and especially those of the Caucasus, must be taken under control. A psychologist, at school, etc., can determine how the parents raise their child, and if they set him up against some people, then such parents should be put in prison and the children transferred to a special institution for normal upbringing. Let's say there are no bad or good nations (!) There is bad and incorrect upbringing and on the part of parents in the first place!
    Yes, many in the Caucasus and in other regions, the upbringing of children begins with hatred of the Russian people, this needs to be nipped in the bud, where are the services for monitoring the upbringing of children?! In general, all these questions are a very fine line, I don’t want to cause harm to any people of Russia, we just need to change stereotypes and perhaps the FSB should work with this! The FSB has every opportunity to correct the situation as soon as possible! Believe me, the FSB can do anything and no one will even notice how the situation changes... It’s just V.V. Putin needs to be given a task plan, like the defense industry, and believe me, everything will be fulfilled! V.V. Putin is responsible for Russia as president and this should worry him first and foremost!
    1. 0
      8 January 2013 20: 28
      There are FSB representatives in every unit, so what...? And upbringing takes place in families, in the peoples themselves, and according to their own traditions, and there is no escape from this. And there they instill hatred of everything Russian, and no FSB can help with this.
  81. 77bor1973
    0
    8 January 2013 20: 15
    They don’t seem to take people from Dagestan and Chechnya into the army? Or did they start taking it again after contacting the Minister of Defense?
  82. +1
    8 January 2013 20: 23
    Quote: Pardon
    Yes, indeed, I have been sick with this for forty years. I will try to answer your theses.
    1. When I see p..... Compare the Israeli Armed Forces or NATO.


    Well, yes, when you came to power, heaps of planes, tanks, etc. immediately appeared. Of course, they are molded from plasticine and clay. And the fact that many institutes and factories ended up over the hill, at the behest of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, the military-industrial complex was destroyed, is there no need to remember that in addition to the army, social guarantees must also be maintained? And building modern weapons is not like a tank in the 40s, it’s more and more difficult and expensive, and most importantly, it takes longer.

    Isn't the country huge? What kind of stupidity is it to measure in numbers, do you think it’s easier to control an anthill the size of the Vatican, or the size of Russia? ;)

    NATO... well, look at the state of the army of Latvia and Estonia, they are also NATO :)

    Quote: Pardon
    2. hazing really always existed.... Having served in the D.Vostok, I can also cite the wildest cases in Soviet times, but they were isolated, but in Belarus this did not happen at all.


    In general, I recommend reading the definition of the word banditry at your leisure, how does it relate to hazing?

    Quote: Pardon
    3. Yes, officers are placed in such conditions by the system that they are forced to cover up crimes, and this comes from Sovarmiya also.....


    Well, then write for yourself - that the same thing happened in the USSR :) I don’t even know a single structure where they didn’t hide their mistakes. It's human nature

    Quote: Pardon
    4. And let me be an idiot and a fool in your opinion.... .


    Report, receive a bonus. What nonsense. Should an officer inform on a soldier that he poses a danger and receive a bonus for this? He must educate the soldier, not hand him over. Anyone can be educated

    Quote: Pardon
    5. I would be a surgeon, but God doesn’t give a horn to a lively cow. But you’re just commenting, and where are your suggestions?


    We don’t translate the arrows, it wasn’t me who started criticizing everyone ;)

    Quote: Pardon
    6. It’s not just due to lack of time. I served in the air defense, and there the soldier and officer have no time at all due to round-the-clock combat duty. Everything is connected by the fact that there is no inevitable punishment for what they have done.


    No Kara? You go to the disbat at your leisure, you will understand what kind of punishment this is. I’d rather spend a year in prison than a couple of months in a disbat.

    Quote: Pardon
    7. I completely agree about the soldiers’ mothers. This is a US structure. And they get the money from there.


    At least they both agree on something ;)
    1. -1
      8 January 2013 21: 09
      Well. Well, let's polemicize.
      1. I don’t want this power, it’s just that there was no opportunity to seize resources, and therefore currency for the elections. But Gobachev is to blame for something completely different, he had not yet had time to touch the military-industrial complex. Back in his time there was a mob task at all enterprises, but everything was destroyed It’s precisely this government that has been ruling for more than 20 years, with our “wise” approval.
      Put at least the same order as in the Vatican, little by little every year, and you’ll see that in a territory several times larger than the Vatican there would be order in 20 years. And after another 20, throughout the entire territory. And in general, a large territory has always been considered an advantage, not a drawback. And we have just about a large territory. So give it to the top manager who will put it in order, why torture people?
      2. What is happening under the label “hazing” only falls under barracks banditry, with gang sex.
      3. And this is exactly what needs to be changed what has developed over decades. And to stop sheltering, sheltering means an accomplice to the crime. And in a year it is no longer possible to educate a person at that age. In a year he could be taught to use a weapon.
      4.And the officer should not be an informer, but an interested person in doing justice and eradicating banditry in the unit.
      5. I don’t criticize anyone, but the situation is simply crying out to change the state of affairs.
      6. I was in the disbat, that I was once on the island of Russia in Primorye, I saw it, so what? Yes, they were somehow afraid of this. But I’m not talking about that, but about the fact that a sadist and a bandit should feel the inevitability of punishment for what they have done.
  83. MG42
    +1
    8 January 2013 20: 38
    For such crimes, there is not enough severe punishment =>>> only the fear of the tower can sober up such sadists.
  84. +1
    8 January 2013 20: 56
    It gave me chills when I read about what the poor guy went through before his death. It turns out that death was a release from torment. And no one helped him. It’s also sad for me as a father of two sons. With what heart will I see them off to the army? If, of course, I do this, but I don’t want to. And who would raise their hand to throw a stone? Who wouldn’t be horrified by the prospect of receiving, instead of a healthy guy, the hopes of their parents, a disabled person, and even worse, a zinc coffin. And immediately the life of the parents loses all meaning. Skin I wish I could take it off that ghoul. I would love to do this one myself.
  85. dark
    +3
    8 January 2013 21: 03
    The problem is not with them, the problem is with us, we need to give a damn about tolerance and respond to the Caucasians with a fist, they are hot by nature but cowardly alone and respect only the strong. Where there is a strong Russian, even if there are a little more of them, they are already being mined. Don't be afraid of them, they themselves are afraid, hence their arrogance.
  86. +2
    8 January 2013 21: 21
    I’m very sorry for the guy... As always, emotions are overwhelming, I want to say a lot at once... This situation has developed a long time ago and not only in the army... The army reflects society, because members of that same civilized society serve in the army... But Is it civilized? Or would you like to think so?... Unfortunately, similar articles have been appearing for a long time and the situation has not changed... Do you remember what you came up with? Don’t call on the Dagestanis... Everyone understands that this is not a solution... Let’s then ban entry into the territory of the Russian Federation, you see, in the markets and in taverns they will stop offending us... No one will do anything for us or for us... Neither corrupt law, nor commanders (sometimes tied hand in hand by the same law)... There is no need to complicate everything with far-fetched humanism... Good must be with fists, determined to defend one’s honor and dignity.... This is clear from school benches, when a strong poor student kicks a smart excellent student... Every guy must make a choice in life, who he is, a lamb to the slaughter or a man... Gym three times a week is not a high price to pay for the opportunity to stand up for yourself or a comrade.. I don’t even want to listen to nonsense about the rule of law... And there is no need for extremes about stupid “jocks”, there are plenty of acquaintances and friends with higher education, of different ages and in excellent shape... Tear the children away from “computers”, “red bull” ", teach to respect yourself and others, explain that sometimes you need to be able to stand up for yourself, and quite harshly... If we can’t even do this, then what do we want to change in the country... Not everyone wants to get involved with a person who doesn’t looks like a victim... Toughness does not interfere with being kind, it should not be confused with cruelty.... My opinion is quite emotional, but it has not changed for a very long time for some reason...
  87. +1
    8 January 2013 21: 22
    Mess!!! The commanders have nothing to do with it, the system is to blame. At the moment, the installation of the authorities is to lick their ass. The only way out is to unite and fight, only this way and no other way. Above is a letter from the soldiers. So here it is. If they didn’t give a damn about the prosecutor, seized a unit, put everyone there in a pose, and relatives, friends, journalists, social activists, etc. joined them, the ice would move. And so: they are silent, which means it is tolerable. One SOBRA officer once told me: when there are many of them they beat, when there are few of them they write in newspapers, television, and the Internet. Why don't we take the same tactics? We are too straightforward, and today those who survive are those who use guerrilla tactics... Play sports, hold on to each other, don’t give up.
  88. +1
    8 January 2013 22: 12
    How annoying these geeks are!!! No words only emotions...
  89. 0
    9 January 2013 00: 22
    Quote: hrych
    Dear Magadan, all this is not correct, chivalry must be shown with noble knights. Here we are dealing with hairy troglodytes

    Upvoted, but disagree. There was no "chivalry" whatsoever. There was normal verbal pressure. In general, our group in those very 90s was engaged in not entirely legal matters. So my friends definitely didn’t consider themselves “knights”. They pressed us normally, made it clear that they would not do it as we needed, they would beat them all up. Moreover, they will overdo it with full respect and understanding of their laws “not to give away your own.” So they had a choice - everyone should go to the hospital for their fellow countryman who had messed up, or give up his fellow countryman so that he could just honestly fight one-on-one with an opponent who could be stronger than him. The truth is on our side, no matter how you look at it. There is no lawlessness. You can’t even get an article for inciting national hatred. Well, the fact that the fight will obviously end with more than simple bruises and contusions is understandable. Now imagine all the HORROR that someone experienced. The fight itself is not scary, It’s the horror that awaits her that’s scary. Especially when served without nerves, shouting, or cheap show-off. And even with ostentatious “respect” for national concepts. In short, this word game had to be heard
    I advise the resurgent Cossacks to do the same. And, if anything, take former or current criminals as consultants. Our criminal world has amazing knowledge of how to resolve all sorts of situations where there is a complete violation of the law, but at the same time upholding the Truth.
  90. +1
    9 January 2013 01: 33
    .... guys, we are all adults, we need to explain to the boys that strength is not always on your side, but more often than not, the winner is the one who has nothing to lose and who is ready to go further than the rest..... I don’t know any other options (((( everyone who served knows that there are people who simply cannot join the army, their psychotype is not suitable... you can call them whatever you want, but for them it is a death sentence..... you can’t row everything in there, it breaks many for life... Well, there have always been national men, many of them break down in the same way, it’s just that their compatriots cover them up... Russians can also be cheerful, after our company (89-91) almost all Tajiks and Kazakhs probably still hate us... the word demobilization was theirs unfamiliar... the order was like in a zone... although they were considered special units of the VMVDSSSR... but it’s a pity for the guy...
  91. +4
    9 January 2013 17: 00
    After graduating from the institute, he worked as a foreman, and my direct subordinate was an Avar plasterer, from a mountainous Dagestan village, a former football player. An absolutely adequate person! He talked about serving in the SA - no show-offs, especially no legends about superiority over the Russians. One of the workers He kept getting under his skin: like a non-Russian - he reacted, of course, but not immediately and adequately. Then his older brother arrived - also normal. What do I mean: it turns out that 20 years ago completely normal people lived there! They studied, worked, served, behaved normally. This means you can educate people (well, if from school).

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