Fighting terror with barbaric methods

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Fighting terror with barbaric methods

In the entire tangle of Middle Eastern relations, there is always an element that unites all Arab countries - the conflict between Israel and Palestine. The brutal and sudden attack by a radical group from the Gaza Strip provoked a brutal and predictable response from Israel, which has always relied on the ability to provide a much larger response to any attack.

Hamas is, of course, a terrorist organization. Its missile attacks and militant activities on the ground initially primarily target civilians. But it is dependent on major players, with whom both Russia as a mediator and Israel itself are not at all ashamed to contact. Regardless of who created Hamas, what matters is who is using it now. Terrorist groups around the world do not hesitate to frequently change owners, enemies, and their own names, and are constantly reformatted to suit the new balance of power in the region.



Speaking about the fact that Hamas attacks mainly civilians, one cannot help but recall how Israel is now striking white phosphorus at the urban areas of the Gaza Strip with millions of inhabitants. The new confrontation has already seen carpet bombing of residential areas, where it is clear that civilians in the area were not notified. This can be judged by the number of dead and wounded civilians.


In the Northern Military District, carpet bombing has so far been used only at Azovstal (in an industrial zone isolated from residential areas). A number of residential areas of Gaza, after a series of bomb attacks, already look worse than the residential buildings of Mariupol after two months of severe street fighting with a full-fledged army. Despite the fact that in Mariupol, Russia was faced with an army with heavy armored vehicles and artillery, and not with some kind of group.

Thus, the continuous bombing of Gaza shows what happens when the army really does not spare the civilian population (“humanoid animals” - according to the head of the Israeli Defense Ministry). Even if there was a terrorist warehouse in one of the buildings on the dusty street, these are not targeted strikes and in no way modern methods of warfare. It is impossible to achieve moral superiority over the enemy by acting using his methods. To completely defeat the enemy, it is necessary to eradicate his ideology.

The blockade of Gaza is a direct reference to the blockades of Crimea and Donbass by Kyiv. At the same time, the cynicism of Israeli officials in the public space clearly demonstrates that Israel is not worried about the opinion of the world community and is confident in the justifying power of the propaganda resources of the collective West.

Therefore, on the one hand, we are dealing with an ordinary terrorist Islamist group with all its paraphernalia. On the other hand, we see an army that at the highest level systematically and publicly endorses war crimes as a way of waging war, while also creating an artificial humanitarian crisis through a complete blockade of the sector. Taking sides unambiguously in this conflict is a thankless task. Especially in light of Russian interests in the Middle East.

New victim


But in the West everything is clear. Another “democracy” has appeared that needs to be “defended.” Therefore, Western politicians and the media unanimously put down the Ukrainian flags and took out the Israeli flags. Surely they had already printed Taiwanese flags, but Israel was ahead of them.

“Democracy” has the right to fight in all ways, regardless of the threat to civilians. “Democracy” has the right to blockade Donbass, Crimea or Gaza, creating humanitarian crises. And any accusation of crimes against “democracy” automatically makes you a “dictatorship” and “an enemy of the rules-based order.”

In this case, we have a counter, rather than one-sided, interfaith conflict. That is, when both sides mutually harbor hatred on religious grounds. This significantly distinguishes this conflict from the war in Ukraine, where, on the one hand, the Ukrainian population is fueled by hatred of everything Russian (even their own blood relatives), on the other hand, the Russian population’s hatred of Nazi ideology and those who use it for geopolitical interests , and not to the Ukrainians themselves and their national culture.

By the way, the Ukrainian regime is already developing a picture in the information field that the “hand of the Kremlin” is shining in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Fortunately, the Israeli authorities and the United States are in no hurry to join forces with the Kyiv regime in this regard. And the fact that Hamas militants are using what was intended for Ukraine weapons from the black market, no one cares. The West, in every sense, was distracted by a new toy - this is a plus for our Northern Military District, but at the same time, Russia has absolutely no need for a big war in the Middle East.

Diplomacy


Israel is to blame for not curtailing its extremely radical militaristic policy towards its neighbors and always relying only on force. Excessive faith in one's own power always leads to failure. The use of force, without properly alternating it with diplomacy, caused defeat on both the military and diplomatic fronts. At a minimum, it negated Israel’s attempts to build more or less working relations with the Persian monarchies against the backdrop of opposition to Iran. In military terms, Israel's defeat lies in the fact that the myth of the inaccessibility of the state was destroyed.

Russia could become the best mediator in the entire Arab-Israeli conflict. It is unlikely that Russian-Israeli relations can be called warm. However, they can be characterized as normal, stable and working, where the main pressing issue remains Israeli aggressive actions in Syria. Russia's relations with all Shiite and Sunni Muslim countries in the Middle East are in a very stable, productive direction and are actively developing. And this is extremely important because it takes into account everyone who has influence over Hamas.

The fact that Israeli politicians have not yet taken advantage of this indicates, on the one hand, their strong dependence on the United States, and on the other hand, their weak level of analytics. Naturally, the main opponent of Russia’s mediation will be the United States, since Russia’s success will strengthen its influence not only in the Arab world, but also on Israel itself. Even if Israel manages to destroy Hamas and take control of the entire sector, Israel will still remain surrounded by enemies with whom it will have to negotiate. The more brutal the IDF’s reprisal against the sector, the less likely Israel is to reach stable agreements with other neighbors.

The balance of power


Israel's advantage in the conflict in the Gaza Strip is undeniable, but the question remains whether Israel will be able to convert this into an advantage into an absolute victory over Hamas and liquidate the enclave or will it just force the group's leadership to negotiate.

Most likely, like all street battles, the Israeli operation in the sector will continue for many months, and the city itself will be turned into ruins. The death toll of military and militants will obviously go into the thousands, and the death toll of civilians, if Egypt does not open its doors, will reach tens of thousands.

The Egyptian economy cannot yet provide a high standard of living for the country's own growing population. Socio-economic problems became one of the reasons for protests during the implementation of the American “Arab Spring” project. 2,6–2,8 million refugees would be a colossal burden.

Europeans will not be happy about this either. However, neither economic problems nor the threat of the strengthening of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt justify the country's weak efforts to evacuate people who have come to the border. There is no doubt that Russia could help Egypt in this.

It is not enough to destroy Hamas and clear Gaza. Israel will have to control this enclave from the inside, leaving significant forces there to maintain order. This will greatly constrain its resources in other areas.


Israel's war with Gaza shows that there are no miracle weapons, and even the most technologically advanced armies are not able to quickly defeat a much weaker enemy with the least risk to civilians and minimal destruction. An enemy squeezed into a very limited area and without regular massive military support from the outside. In urban conditions, even a heavily promoted army is forced to erase block after block from the air and resort to protracted street battles.

But this does not mean that you should not strive for the best. It is preferable to be pioneers in the experience of modern urban warfare than to simply nod to someone else's experience. Although most of the myths about the Israeli army have been dispelled, the ability to mobilize cannot be taken away from the IDF.

In the case of Hezbollah, the matter will be much more complicated, and it is unlikely that the IDF will have to count on eradicating this group by military means. Hezbollah has many times more missile potential and personnel than Hamas. In 2018, the group announced the presence of 150 thousand missiles of various ranges. Now she is talking about 250 thousand missiles. Its strength, according to Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah himself, is 110 thousand (apparently, taking into account mobilization capabilities).


Even if we imagine that Israel manages to destroy the entire group in Lebanon and southern Syria without entering into conflict with the armies of Lebanon and Syria, Hezbollah and other pro-Iranian formations will still have the opportunity to continue to mobilize their supporters around the world and receive weapons from external players, forming its backbone not on the territory of Lebanon, but on the territory of Syria and Iraq.

Thus, even in the event of the occupation of Lebanon and part of Syria, Israel will still have proximity to pro-Iranian forces and other radical Arab groups. Pro-Iranian forces in Iraq called Hashd al-Shaabi (about 100 thousand more militants), declaring that they are ready to take part in the war against Israel, have already made it clear that the Arab-Israeli conflict in Palestine and Lebanon will not end.

Iran is too tough for the IDF


If it comes to a clash with Iran, it will be a war of remote strikes, in which Israel does not have the ability, without the United States or nuclear weapons, to destroy the most delicious targets in the form of the Iranian nuclear program and underground military factories. The capabilities of such remote mutual strikes by missiles, UAVs and aviation (primarily Israeli) will quickly dry up and will not be able to eliminate the enemy’s main military potential.

Even the entire collective West hardly has the strength to conduct a ground operation against Iran. Especially after supporting the Nazi regime in Kyiv. What can we say about Israel, which is far from Iran and surrounded by a sufficient number of pro-Iranian formations on its borders, and prolonged battles on narrow Arab streets.

A direct, remote collision between Israel and Iran could even escalate into a global war in the Middle East with several poles at once. This means that even in the absence of a ground operation by the West and the Persian monarchies against Iran, we will have to forget for some time about the entire oil infrastructure of the Persian Gulf, which will be destroyed by counter strikes, and the Strait of Hormuz will be blocked, with all the ensuing consequences on the energy market.

The largest US bases, the American force in Iraq (mainly due to the Iraqi militia) and most of the US ships in the Persian Gulf region will also be affected.

In Israel, large military bases and nuclear facilities will come under attack. In Iran, oil and military infrastructure (missile forces, aviation and air defense), as well as underground enrichment centers, will suffer due to attacks from American bombers with GBU-57 bombs. Perhaps the Bushehr nuclear power plant will come under attack.

But is it worth it for the Americans and Israel if it does not finally resolve the Iranian issue and allow the overthrow of Iranian proxies throughout the Middle East?


US assistance


The direct participation of the US Air Force and Navy in strikes on Gaza or Lebanon cannot be completely ruled out in the event of further escalation with Hezbollah, and if the situation for Israel becomes extremely critical. However, for the United States this entails a colossal risk of losing influence in the Arab world. After all, it’s one thing when a familiar Middle Eastern enemy fights with the Arabs of Palestine or Lebanon, and another thing when an overseas hegemon joins it.

For pro-Iranian forces, this will become a colossal mobilizing factor, and at the same time, US relations with the Persian monarchies will fall into the abyss. It would be especially strange if Hamas began bombing US bombers stationed at Al-Udeid in Qatar.


In fact, I would like the Arab-Israeli conflict to end with the signing of agreements mediated by Russia and recognition of Palestinian independence.

Today, however, Israeli leaders are betting on the toughest possible response in hopes of ending key threats in the south at the risk of more powerful threats in the north.

The coming months will show whether this confrontation is an artificial pretext for a major war against Iran and its allies, or whether the war will be limited to Israel and its surrounding territories.
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  1. +4
    14 October 2023 04: 12
    Hamas, certainly, is a terrorist organization -

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    — Russia has not recognized Hamas as a terrorist organization...
    ***
    1. +22
      14 October 2023 04: 24
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      — Russia has not recognized Hamas as a terrorist organization...

      And the Taliban in Russia is recognized as a terrorist organization...And this did not prevent representatives from the Kremlin from meeting with representatives of this movement after the recent events in Afghanistan.
      Everything can change overnight for us. Today we are partners, and tomorrow, God forbid...
      We play here, we don’t play here, we wrapped fish here
      1. +7
        14 October 2023 06: 21
        Quote: ROSS 42
        everything can change overnight. Today we are partners, and tomorrow, God forbid...

        It's called POLITICS.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        We

        Yes, if only... This is true all over the world
        1. +4
          14 October 2023 22: 42
          The conflict between the terrorist organization Hamas and the terrorist state Israel.
          PS
          I came across an interpretation of the word “barbarian” - it used to mean “not Greek.”
          1. +2
            15 October 2023 01: 34
            Quote: Bad_gr
            I came across an interpretation of the word “barbarian” - it used to mean “not Greek.”

            Actually, the word “barbarian” is a vulgar reading in Russian (like the Cyrillic alphabet) of the Latin word “barbar” \BARBAR\ - which just means... “BEARDED MAN”, “bearded man” \people. Celtic, Germanic and Slavic tribes wearing beards came from the north to Greece and Italy.
            That's all . Cilentano talked about this in the film at the Colosseum. lol
            And the nickname of the Roman Emperor Nero was Ogeno-Barb (fire-bearded).
            So the North African ancient Barbaria is the “Country of Bearded Men”. Yes
            And the female name Barbara means... lol request "Bearded Woman"
            But the Russian name is Varvara stop angry from the Russian word “var”, “cook”, “heat”, “hot”... that is, a “hot” (sorry) “energetic” girl. Yes bully And it is not discussed !
            1. +5
              15 October 2023 14: 33
              The fight against terror using fascist methods. Israel has long become not a barbaric, but a fascist state, without a Constitution and moral and ethical brakes. And the Jews do not understand this just as the Germans did not understand under Hitler. Not all of course, but many. Or rather the majority.
      2. +3
        14 October 2023 13: 44
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And the Taliban in Russia is recognized as a terrorist organization...And this did not prevent representatives from the Kremlin from meeting with representatives of this movement after the recent events in Afghanistan.
        The Taliban is also recognized as a terrorist organization in the United States. And this did not prevent representatives from the states from meeting with representatives of this movement during the recent events in Afghanistan. At a minimum, to organize the drapery from there.
      3. 0
        15 October 2023 04: 13
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And the Taliban is recognized as a terrorist organization in Russia...

        Don’t confuse you with embarrassment with bl..m!
    2. +3
      14 October 2023 21: 10
      Hamas was created by Israel as a counterweight to the PLO. Forgot?....
  2. +3
    14 October 2023 04: 22
    Hamas is, of course, a terrorist organization. Its missile attacks and militant activities on the ground initially primarily target civilians.

    Well, in this case, the IDF is clearly a terrorist organization, bombing and shelling civilians. By the way, UNICEF has already recognized up to five hundred dead Palestinian children.
    1. -2
      15 October 2023 04: 24
      Quote: Comrade
      Well, in this case, the IDF is clearly a terrorist organization, bombing and shelling civilians. By the way, UNICEF has already recognized up to five hundred dead Palestinian children.

      Would you also suggest a way to make Gaza happy?
      They categorically do not want to build a paradise in their own country, they love to live on benefits, and they also like to reproduce (1970 - 330 thousand now - 2,2 million).
      You can, of course, buy them like we bought Chechnya - but it’s painfully expensive, after all, it’s easier for 144 million Russia to pay rent to 1,5 million Chechnya than to 10 million Israel and 2.2 million Gaza.
      We ourselves are holding out until the Tajiks solve our democratic problems...
  3. +10
    14 October 2023 04: 40
    “Persian monarchies” ring a bell. More accurately, in my opinion, “Gulf monarchies” means, of course, the Persian Gulf.
    1. +2
      14 October 2023 12: 24
      Overall the article is not bad. There are highly debatable points, but that’s what the section is for - “Opinions” request
      And yes, after this:
      Quote: andrewkor
      "Persian monarchies" hurts the ears.

      reading has become much more difficult laughing
  4. 0
    14 October 2023 05: 02
    Surely the Tsakhal and the Mossad received the go-ahead to torture captured Palestinians and extrajudicial executions of those suspected of belonging to Hamas and Hezbollah... it will be Gestapo methods to extract information about the leaders of these organizations... once war is declared on the Arabs.
    Occasionally, information about these crimes of the Jews leaks into our world...the details are of course not for public review...these butchers and sadists are not much different from the butchers of Hamas.
    1. +4
      14 October 2023 14: 05
      Do you seriously believe that someone somewhere is waging wars with white gloves, like a gentleman? I didn’t even think that such pure and immaculate souls as you could be found in our sinful world.
      1. 0
        14 October 2023 16: 38
        Quote: UAZ 452
        Do you seriously believe that someone somewhere is waging wars with white gloves, like a gentleman? I didn’t even think that such pure and immaculate souls as you could be found in our sinful world.

        Yes, I noticed this too, and not for the first time, it’s very strange... winked
  5. +6
    14 October 2023 05: 03
    Israel itself is already a terrorist state, and the IDF is its military wing. This whole organized crime group is financed by scammers from Wall Street.
  6. -4
    14 October 2023 05: 17
    Firstly, Hamas is not just a terrorist organization, but the de facto government of the Gaza Strip, on behalf of whose population it acts.
    Secondly, Israel has not been surrounded by enemies for a long time. He has quite normal business relations with Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
    1. 0
      14 October 2023 06: 09
      Quote from Escariot
      Hamas is not just a terrorist organization, but the de facto government of the Gaza Strip

      De facto is not de jure at all...

      Quote from Escariot
      Israel has not been surrounded by enemies for a long time. He has quite normal business relations with Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia

      Do you realize that this is all only on paper? wink
      1. +5
        14 October 2023 08: 21
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote from Escariot
        Hamas is not just a terrorist organization, but the de facto government of the Gaza Strip

        De facto is not de jure at all...

        Quote from Escariot
        Israel has not been surrounded by enemies for a long time. He has quite normal business relations with Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia

        Do you realize that this is all only on paper? wink

        Well, Israel is at war with the Gaza Strip not de jure, but de facto.
        Well, Israel has no problems with Egypt and Jordan. Both of them are very tired of Palestinian terrorists, and Jordan even managed to fight against them
        1. 0
          14 October 2023 08: 26
          Quote from Escariot
          Well, Israel is at war with the Gaza Strip not de jure, but de facto

          Those. by concepts. Is that what you mean? wink
          1. +8
            14 October 2023 09: 10
            Quote: Luminman
            Quote from Escariot
            Well, Israel is at war with the Gaza Strip not de jure, but de facto

            Those. by concepts. Is that what you mean? wink

            De jure there is no such state in the Gaza Strip, there is Palestine. However, the Gaza Strip does not recognize the legitimate Palestinian government. So Israel, at least for now, is not fighting against Palestine, but is fighting against the Gaza Strip. Those. Legally, war cannot be declared because there is no one to declare it, so they are actually fighting. At least until Fatah gets involved in this conflict.
            1. -1
              14 October 2023 11: 20
              Quote from Escariot
              De jure there is no such state in the Gaza Strip, there is Palestine. However, the Gaza Strip does not recognize the legitimate Palestinian government. So Israel, at least for now, is not fighting against Palestine, but is fighting against the Gaza Strip

              Now understand! It turns out that if a missile from Bavaria flies to Russia, then Russia should fight with Bavaria, and not with Germany at all...
              1. +9
                14 October 2023 12: 55
                Quote: Luminman
                Quote from Escariot
                De jure there is no such state in the Gaza Strip, there is Palestine. However, the Gaza Strip does not recognize the legitimate Palestinian government. So Israel, at least for now, is not fighting against Palestine, but is fighting against the Gaza Strip

                Now understand! It turns out that if a missile from Bavaria flies to Russia, then Russia should fight with Bavaria, and not with Germany at all...

                The authorities of Bavaria are subordinate to the federal government. But the authorities of the Gaza Strip are in direct armed conflict with the Palestinian government. Thus, if there is an uprising in Bavaria as a result of which Bavaria separates from the Federal Republic of Germany, then it will be possible to say that Russia should fight specifically with Bavaria, and not with the entire Federal Republic of Germany.
        2. +1
          16 October 2023 11: 28
          Quote from Escariot
          Both of them are very tired of Palestinian terrorists, and Jordan even managed to fight against them

          Not just Jordan. There were also conflicts with Palestinian refugees in Libya. And even against Assad, as part of the FSA, the Palestinians made their mark.
  7. +3
    14 October 2023 05: 23
    I sympathize with the Jews in 1930s Germany, but it is obvious that their children and grandchildren made life just as miserable for the Arabs in Palestine.
  8. +6
    14 October 2023 06: 29
    Without denying that the actions of Hamas are of a terrorist nature, without denying the Holocaust in WWII and taking into account the fact that history does not recognize the subjunctive mood, I still dare to suggest that if that Austrian “painter Aloyzych” had decided to use the Jews differently and would have acted as with equivalent Germans, then during the Second World War sending German and European Jews as part of the Wehrmacht to the Eastern Front with promises that go there to Russia and kill Russians and after the German victory you will receive lands there with estates and with Russian slaves, then he would have found in On the face of German and European Jews there are many enthusiasts who kill, take away, “seize” someone else’s property, and become happy and rich from someone else’s misfortune and death. And seeing how today the Jews in Gaza deliberately, under the justification of revenge in Gaza, turned a couple of thousand women, children and old people into corpses in a week, and expelled, moreover, by running in the literal sense of the word, a couple of million Palestinians of Gaza from their land, you can see all this to assume that in this nation that same “Austrian artist” would have found fighters and commanders for the SS, Gestapo and other punitive forces, no worse than the German Nazis.
    1. +4
      14 October 2023 14: 13
      So there were enough Austrian artists and ethnic Russians in the troops, not to mention representatives of other nationalities of the USSR. And the commander of the Cossacks who served him, General Krasnov, even erected a monument in the current Russian Federation. So, without questioning what you wrote, I would like to point out that replace the word “Jews” with any other nation, and absolutely nothing will change: if the carrot looks appetizing enough, the need to cause death and destruction to others from a crime becomes only regrettable, but necessary expediency.
      1. +1
        14 October 2023 16: 40
        Absolutely right, I wanted to write the same thing, but you got ahead of me...
  9. +6
    14 October 2023 06: 56
    The most surprising thing in this situation is the silence of Fatah and other Palestinian organizations that are part of the PLO
    1. +10
      14 October 2023 08: 23
      Quote: parusnik
      The most surprising thing in this situation is the silence of Fatah and other Palestinian organizations that are part of the PLO

      Fatah has long been at loggerheads with Hamas. About 10 years ago, they even started a civil war, in which Fatah captured the West Bank, and Hamas captured the Gaza Strip.
      1. +6
        14 October 2023 08: 52
        Fatah has long been at loggerheads with Hamas.
        Exactly so, therefore, this is my subjective opinion, many will not agree with it, the Hamas speech is a grandiose provocation aimed at destroying the entire Palestinian movement.
        1. +8
          14 October 2023 11: 29
          Quote: parusnik
          Hamas is a grandiose provocation aimed at destroying the entire Palestinian movement.

          I agree, but I can’t understand what motivated Hamas in committing this “ritual” suicide? After all, this is pure hara-kiri! Israel's reaction to such a "sea of ​​blood" was quite predictable request
          1. -5
            14 October 2023 14: 23
            “Israel’s reaction to such a “sea of ​​blood” was quite predictable” - but here we need to wait for the reaction of the Islamic world to Israel’s “reaction” and what it will all lead to in the end. Judging by all forecasts, even the most optimistic ones, the situation for Israel in any case is going into a deep minus. Attempts to somehow normalize relations with the Islamic environment have completely failed in the current situation. Israel's current actions unite all Muslims against it more than ever.
            Therefore, it is possible that it is not “the Hamas attack, but the Israeli response that will become suicidal for Israel itself.
            1. +2
              15 October 2023 00: 43
              Quote: Ivan F
              “Israel’s reaction to such a “sea of ​​blood” was quite predictable” - but here we need to wait for the reaction of the Islamic world to Israel’s “reaction” and what it will all lead to in the end.

              This is how the reaction has already manifested itself. Those who are 2-3 borders away from Palestine and whom no normal state will allow through its territory are the ones who are most “drowned” for help (and they understand this very well). And those directly on the border are in no hurry at all to make loud statements request
          2. +2
            14 October 2023 18: 17
            What was Hamas motivated by in committing this “ritual” suicide?
            There is a lot of cynicism in politics, the headquarters of Hamas and its “generals” are located in Qatar. Palestinian organizations “fit in” with Hamas, they are “washed in the toilet” not childishly, the Israelis and after “mochilov”, “in the heather field, on battlefield,” Hamas remains with leadership and money, as the only representative of the Palestinian people and also as a martyr who raised the banner of the struggle for Palestinian rights, and political opponents (“compromisers” from Fatah and foreign “hirelings” from Hezbollah) are defeated and licking their lips wounds.
            1. -1
              14 October 2023 21: 41
              The worst thing for Israel was the PLO's refusal of terrorist methods to gain independence for Palestine as a state. In order to prevent this from happening, Israel created Hamas. The calculation turned out to be correct.
            2. +1
              15 October 2023 00: 39
              Quote: parusnik
              There is a lot of cynicism in politics; the headquarters of Hamas and its “generals” are located in Qatar.

              This is true of course. As usual, the “chief men” will remain alive (for now).
              Quote: parusnik
              Palestinian organizations “fit in” with Hamas, they are “washed in the toilet” not childishly, the Israelis and after “mochilov”, “on the heather field, on the battlefield”, Hamas remains with leadership and money, as the only representative of the Palestinian people and how a martyr who raised the banner of the struggle for Palestinian rights, and political opponents (“compromisers” from Fatah and foreign “mercenaries” from Hezbollah) are defeated and licking their wounds.

              Yes, they are not yet visible on the horizon. And Hamas will have to scrape it off (and deservedly so) request
        2. -2
          14 October 2023 13: 47
          Quote: parusnik
          Hamas's performance is a huge provocation
          Especially considering that Hamas created Israeli intelligence services and miracles at the beginning of the attack.
          1. +2
            14 October 2023 18: 25
            and miracles at the beginning of the attack.
            The USA could not enter the Second World War and then a miracle happened, the Japanese “suddenly” bombed Pearl Harbor. And about today’s miracles. Living in a state of war since 1949, and screwing up like this, somehow I can’t believe it. And I especially can’t believe it, because all this happened during a time of severe internal political crisis in Israel. The Israelis did not want the screws to be tightened, Netanyahu, and now after all this they will have to agree to the tightening
            1. 0
              14 October 2023 21: 42
              Quote: parusnik
              The USA could not enter the Second World War and then a miracle happened, the Japanese “suddenly” bombed Pearl Harbor.
              Very accurate analogy
        3. 0
          14 October 2023 21: 20
          And if you consider that Israel was at the origins of the creation of Hamas, then an interesting multi-step to destroy the idea of ​​Palestine as a state turns out
  10. -1
    14 October 2023 06: 57
    While the Anglo-Saxons and Europe enthusiastically support all, without exception, Israeli actions in Gaza, an unexpected, but understandable, surprise creeps up on them “from behind” - a new wave of refugees from the BV. Guardians of “democracy and human rights” will receive the consequences of what you create or actively support. A new wave of terrorist attacks in Europe and mass protests with pogroms is not far off. Today, the main thing is that the Americans, together with the Jews, do not do another stupid thing - attacks on Iran, which could serve as a catalyst for a big war.
    1. +5
      14 October 2023 14: 18
      Do you mean refugees from Palestine? But who will let them into Europe if even Egypt refuses to let them in! The entire Arab world, having suffered with them, now prefers to shed tears for the dead, express solidarity with the living, but not have problems with them on its territory.
  11. +2
    14 October 2023 07: 32
    Quote: parusnik
    The most surprising thing in this situation is the silence of Fatah and other Palestinian organizations that are part of the PLO

    Nothing surprising...it’s based on the principle of a good cop and a bad cop...Hamas gets the dirty work, Abbas gets the civil negotiations with the rest of the world.
  12. +14
    14 October 2023 08: 17
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Surely the Tsakhal and the Mossad received the go-ahead to torture captured Palestinians and extrajudicial executions of those suspected of belonging to Hamas and Hezbollah... it will be Gestapo methods to extract information about the leaders of these organizations... once war is declared on the Arabs.
    Occasionally, information about these crimes of the Jews leaks into our world...the details are of course not for public review...these butchers and sadists are not much different from the butchers of Hamas.

    If there is no water in the tap, if you drink the water - wow!!! Yes Lekha from Android, do you agree with this?!))) Military Review has turned into a panopticon of freaks... Thinking is too lazy. Facts - why the hell are we needed..... Hamas is like we have in Russia - Chechen militants, you can Lech further, cover up murderers and rapists. And for those who do not agree, remember how the Russian army demolished the blocks of Grozny with terrorists in exactly the same way, and you don’t need to write to me here that this is “different”. “This is different” is an excuse for pathological liars, like Jens Stoltenberg for example. And those who justify Hamas justify the Chechen terrorists who captured Budenovsk and took children and women hostage. It is the same. And yes, by the way, Hamas is not Palestine. Palestine is Mahmoud Abbas and the West Bank of Jordan (Ramallah), and the Gaza Strip is controlled by Hamas terrorists. I expect negatives from those who celebrate May 9, but are also fans of the “Jewish question” from Adolf Hitler and his executor in the person of Reinhard Heydrich and Das Reich, Totenkompf and the 14th SS Division “Galicia”. Don't be ashamed of the Lord - minus.
    1. -6
      14 October 2023 09: 27
      Thinking is lazy. Facts - why the hell are we needed..... Hamas is like we have in Russia - Chechen militants,

      Chechnya is part of Russia, and is the Gaza Strip already part of Israel?
      1. +2
        14 October 2023 09: 36
        Is Chechnya a historical part of Russia or conquered as a result of the Caucasian War of 1817-1964???
        1. -5
          14 October 2023 14: 17
          Is Chechnya a historical part of Russia or conquered as a result of the Caucasian War of 1817-1964???

          Purely in Jewish - a question in response to a question. Is there nothing to answer first?
          1. 0
            14 October 2023 21: 25
            Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
            Purely Jewish - a question in response to a question

            A little different. More sophisticated. Provocative content of the question (1817-1964) in response to the question.
        2. 0
          17 October 2023 11: 49
          What kind of Caucasian war was this before 1964?? you are clearly mistaken by 100 years hi
    2. +3
      14 October 2023 09: 53
      Ramallah
      Back in the 20s, Ramallah, according to descriptions of travelers and encyclopedists, was a “Christian settlement,” by the way. Is there at least one Christian there now?
      1. +3
        14 October 2023 10: 06
        Yes, God knows, you need to ask forum participants from Israel, maybe there is someone.
    3. +6
      14 October 2023 14: 21
      Judging by the fact that commentators from Israel were banned within XNUMX hours, the VO editors largely agree with Lyokha from Android and other “fans.”
      1. +5
        14 October 2023 16: 46
        Quote: UAZ 452
        Judging by the fact that commentators from Israel were banned within XNUMX hours, the VO editors largely agree with Lyokha from Android and other “fans.”
        It looks very much like that, because... the authors of the most malicious and stupid comments are doing quite well. I dare say that this greatly discredits our agitprop...
    4. +3
      14 October 2023 16: 44
      "Larkis (Vladimir)! hi You are right unfortunately...
      1. +3
        14 October 2023 18: 35
        Without touching on the history of Russia, but on the current issue, I will note that the most reactionary nationalist forces have collided, on the other hand, and they cannot get along. I mean Hamas and the Israeli leadership, but this opinion is not popular. As for supporters Hamas, and for supporters of the Israeli leadership.
  13. +2
    14 October 2023 11: 12
    Have we already decided: are we for the Bhutu or for the Tutsi?
    After all, this massacre took place much earlier than the current one, and a lot of time has flown by, but we still haven’t made up our minds...
  14. +1
    14 October 2023 11: 42
    Quote from: 陈乐为
    I sympathize with the Jews in Germany in the 1930s...
    And Joseph Goebbels too? sad
  15. -2
    14 October 2023 12: 29
    Hardly all of this.
    Israel is carrying out its mini-SVO, successively annexing former Palestinian territories.
    After victories, of course. Well, de-terrorism, de-nationalism, etc.
    and every time he seemed to be given a certain reason.

    I don’t know if referendums were held there, but there is a similarity in the approach with the Northern Military District.
    Just compare the photos of Artemovsk and Grozny 0x with Gaza
    1. +7
      14 October 2023 12: 59
      Quote: Max1995
      Hardly all of this.
      Israel is carrying out its mini-SVO, successively annexing former Palestinian territories.
      After victories, of course. Well, de-terrorism, de-nationalism, etc.
      and every time he seemed to be given a certain reason.

      I don’t know if referendums were held there, but there is a similarity in the approach with the Northern Military District.
      Just compare the photos of Artemovsk and Grozny 0x with Gaza

      As a result of the six-day war, Israel captured all of Gaza and Sinai. Then he returned Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to the Palestinians. All Jewish settlements were withdrawn from Gaza. From the same Gaza for which the Jews shed blood. What more did the Gaza authorities need? Live, build your state. Hamas decided to throw the Jews into the sea, now the Jews will throw Hamas there.
      1. +9
        14 October 2023 14: 23
        All the Arab-Israeli wars, as a result of which the territory of Palestine was consistently shrunk, were started by the Arabs.
  16. 0
    14 October 2023 13: 19
    By supporting the creation of a Jewish state in the former British mandate of Palestine, which Britain wrested from the Ottoman Empire after World War I, the USSR hoped that the Jews of Europe who had survived hell would create a quiet and peaceful refuge for their people, but they miscalculated. The idea of ​​​​relocating Jews to Palestinian land did not belong to some pacifists, but to the most outspoken bourgeois nationalists - the Zionists. The ideology of Zionism does not imply peace and development. This ideology presupposes the creation of a “powerful and great state of God’s chosen people,” that is, this is another edition of the eternal dream of nationalists of all bourgeois countries - to create a kind of hegemonic empire according to the “law of blood and soil.” Mussolini created a “Greater Italy” where the subject peoples of the Mediterranean were supposed to lick the Italian military boot. Hitler proclaimed a "Greater Germany", where the "Untermensch" would become slaves of the "Aryan race". Japan also gravitated toward the conquest of Asia and the formation of “Great Japan,” which was supposed to feed and please the peoples of East Asia. And even now there is talk all around about “Great Albania”, “Great Hungary” and so on. It is clear that all these are slogans of the same order as fascism or Nazism. In essence, this is a radical nationalist ideology of the bourgeoisie of any capitalist state, designed, on the basis of chauvinism, xenophobia and tribalism, to create a force capable of ideologically motivating the population to fight the capitalists of other countries for the interests of their own capitalists and to destroy the socialist and communist movements as the only mortal threat to capitalism. Zionism is not the defense of the Jewish people, it is the defense of Jewish capital.
    1. +1
      14 October 2023 14: 26
      Why did you choose “Greater Hungary”? What about Great Russia?
      1. -4
        14 October 2023 15: 03
        Should I list all the capital countries in the world? Did I not make it clear that fascism is an instrument of the bourgeoisie without the name of a country? Or are you from Ukraine?
        1. +2
          14 October 2023 15: 42
          No, I am from now (for more than 30 years now) capitalist Russia. That is, this all also applies to my country (and to yours too - or did Belarus become socialist again? when?), based on what you wrote?
          1. 0
            16 October 2023 10: 37
            Yes, capitalism has penetrated into Belarus too, and we also have individuals “sighing” about “lost territories” and “historical grievances,” but in our country they were quickly taken “out of the field” - both in the political and territorial sense. Which, unfortunately, is not visible in Russia. Very unfortunately.
  17. +1
    14 October 2023 14: 04
    It’s better for the author not to see photos of Grozny after the two Chechen ones, otherwise he will start calling Russia barbarians.
    1. +1
      15 October 2023 18: 09
      "Shadow on the fence", however? In Grozny, before the first Chechen war, Russian speakers and Russians lived. There were very few Chechens living in Grozny, most of them lived in mountainous Chechnya, where their ancestral lands were. Grozny is the territory of the former Terek Cossacks. After the first Chechen war, there were no Russian speakers or Russians left in Grozny: they were killed or expelled, Chechens moved into their apartments. No way to put two and two together? By the way, Bandera’s followers in the service of Dudayev were distinguished by their atrocities, the murders of civilians and soldiers of the Russian Federation.
  18. +4
    14 October 2023 16: 50
    Quote from Escariot

    As a result of the six-day war, Israel captured all of Gaza and Sinai. Then he returned Sinai to Egypt and Gaza to the Palestinians. All Jewish settlements were withdrawn from Gaza. From the same Gaza for which the Jews shed blood. What more did the Gaza authorities need? Live, build your state. Hamas decided to throw the Jews into the sea, now the Jews will throw Hamas there.

    Quote: UAZ 452
    All the Arab-Israeli wars, as a result of which the territory of Palestine was consistently shrunk, were started by the Arabs.
    Yes, everything is true, but it seems that few people here are interested in this (they very "cheer" for fanatics - radical Islamists and very unhappy with the influx of Muslim migrants to Russia).
  19. -1
    15 October 2023 00: 25
    This is a war of survival. and the end justifies the means.....
    It was high time for the Russian Politburo, headed by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, to wake up from the rose-colored dreams of the brothers around them. learn from the Jews. no pity for the enemy....only victory....through the complete destruction of the enemy.
  20. -1
    15 October 2023 05: 31
    The author forgot the most important thing: the United States itself was preparing Hamas for an attack on Israel. you don't need much. give some money, weapons, recruit a couple of leaders who will convince the rest that with so many weapons, they will achieve something from Israel. As a result, Israel has a free hand, will receive new territories, and will reason with all its neighbors. And the United States will be able to strengthen itself in the region. and probably a bunch of other tasks.
  21. 0
    15 October 2023 08: 49
    Quote: faterdom
    Have we already decided: are we for the Bhutu or for the Tutsi?
    After all, this massacre took place much earlier than the current one, and a lot of time has flown by, but we still haven’t made up our minds...

    Well, since the Hutus killed 800 thousand civilian Tutsis in a couple of months, then lost the war, after which the victorious Tutsis did not massacre all the Hutus, then perhaps I am for the Tutsi. 1) people usually sympathize with victims (does not apply to those with mental disabilities)
    2) there was no retaliatory massacre of Hutus, that is, one side of the conflict is clearly morally superior.
  22. -1
    15 October 2023 09: 42
    Hamas just needs to survive and it will defeat Israel.
  23. -1
    15 October 2023 13: 59
    Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    — Russia has not recognized Hamas as a terrorist organization...

    But this does not bring honor to Russia! Terrorists are terrorists. Or let’s say, it’s a piece of shit, but it’s ours! They themselves started this uproar - and don’t hide behind civilians! Otherwise they killed a sea of ​​peaceful people and went home, saying we were in the house. hi
  24. +1
    15 October 2023 16: 34
    It’s good to talk when you are not surrounded by enemies on ABSOLUTELY all sides and are not engaged in a bloody fight to the death.
  25. +1
    15 October 2023 19: 01
    I probably don’t agree with the author regarding Russian mediation. Sooner or later, rather sooner (with the help of Allah, presumably, and Jewish recklessness), the Arabs and Muslims will destroy Israel as a state. And no one can help or protect him. Globalization is ending and national interests are coming to the fore. Russia most likely needs to abolish dual, triple, etc. citizenship, a relic of the 90s. People of the “world”, selfish egoists, for whom the concept of the Motherland, the nation, its interests does not exist and is an object of ridicule, why do Russia need them?
  26. 0
    17 October 2023 19: 48
    element that unites all Arab countries -
    Oh well. The author tell us more about the Slavic brotherhood.
  27. -2
    19 October 2023 15: 37
    Quote: Silhouette
    Hamas was created by Israel as a counterweight to the PLO. Forgot?....


    Israel has succeeded in its attempts to create a quarrel and bring about displacement in the Arab world.
    Blackmail, torture, hostages from family members - everything is used to convert a Palestinian or any Arab to their side.

    And just like in Soviet times, we were good friends with the PLO.
    Even students from Palestine came to our country!

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