T-90MS - “new wine in an old bottle”?

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The Russian defense concern Uralvagonzavod presents the T-90MS tank as a “radical editorial board” tanks family T-90, writes the Chinese portal mil.news.sina.com.cn.

The machine is equipped with the latest 125 mm mm smoothbore gun family 2А46 - 2А46М5, which has increased barrel durability (1200 shots), achieved through the use of new production processes. Thanks to an improved fire control system, shooting accuracy is increased by 15-20%.

The armament includes 9М119М1 tank missiles with a range of about 5 km, which can penetrate homogeneous armor 950 mm thick. Information about the development of new armor piercing projectiles (presumably two types) is kept secret.

The tank is equipped with an improved fire control system (QMS) “Kalina” with a new digital ballistic computer and a thermal sight. Russia recognizes that the technological level of the JMA is inferior to modern Western systems. The tank is also equipped with a remotely controlled machine gun caliber 7,62 mm.

The armor protection of the T-90MS is not significantly different from the T-90C, but this tank can be equipped with a new generation of reactive and active armor. The tank is designed for use in battles inside urban buildings.

T-90MS technologies, such as advanced smoothbore gun, reactive and active armor, thermal imaging devices and digital systems, will be used as the basis for developing a new generation tank. In turn. Uralvagonzavod is ready to integrate promising technologies into the T-90MS based on the principle of “new wine in an old bottle”. Such innovations will inevitably lead to an increase in the cost of the tank. The price of a single T-90MS is expected to exceed 4 million.







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  1. +10
    7 January 2013 17: 44
    I will draw your attention to the link at the bottom of the article. http://topwar.ru/7117-t-90ms-tagil-sistema-upravleniya-ognem.html The previously published article will supplement the current one with a photo without "rags" and more extensive data on the Kalina FCS. The Chinese article on the principle "both ours and yours" seems to have been praised, but nothing special. An article is definitely not an advertisement.
    1. +25
      7 January 2013 18: 16
      Currently, the upgraded T-90MS "Tagil" tank has the coolest and most sophisticated fire control system and the best combat survivability among all known tanks. Pay attention to how playful and agile he is, what power
      charged in his steel muscles. The speed of the transfer of the gun and the rotation of the tower are simply impressive! Unlike previous models of tanks of the "T" series, the ergonomics of the crew's workplaces are comparable to
      the comfort of a good car. At the same time, the T-90MS tank is reliably protected from circular shelling from ATGMs and RPGs, and against explosions on anti-tank mines. T-90MS - the next-generation Russian super-tank.
      1. +8
        7 January 2013 19: 39
        Quote: 53-Sciborskiy
        Currently, the upgraded T-90MS "Tagil" tank has the coolest and most sophisticated fire control system and the best combat survivability among all known tanks. Pay attention to how agile and agile he is, what power is charged in his steel muscles. The speed of the transfer of the gun and the rotation of the tower are simply impressive! Unlike previous models of tanks of the "T" series, the ergonomics of the crew's workplaces are comparable to the comfort of a good car. At the same time, the T-90MS tank is reliably protected from circular attacks from ATGMs and RPGs, from detonations on anti-tank mines. The T-90MS is the next generation Russian super-tank.

        Greetings, Sergey. hi I gladly repeated your post as the opinion of a person who knows.
        And, echoing the title of the article, your words confirm the old, like the world, saying - "WINE BECOMES EVEN BETTER OVER THE YEARS."
        1. bask
          +8
          7 January 2013 20: 08
          T-90 MS excellent MBT .. But how many of these machines will go to the troops of the Russian Federation .. ??? Or back everything new for sale abroad? Until the year 20, when Armata will be far away in the series. The new Minister of Defense, Shoig, needs to do everything so that 200-300 of these vehicles enter our troops, especially in the S. Caucasus and on the border with China.
          1. +5
            7 January 2013 20: 50
            Quote: bask
            But how many of these machines will go to the Russian troops .. ???

            Quote: bask
            Until 20, when Armata will be far from the series



            http://vz.ru/news/2013/1/4/614623.html

            And in general, if memory serves, the series of Armata should go from the 15 year.
            1. +8
              7 January 2013 21: 31
              Quote: esaul
              And in general, if memory serves, the series of Armata should go from the 15 year
              Damn how many naive are you here laughing Can you tell me how the main specialist will tell you how to cope with the problem of weighting the platform that is currently being tested? Or maybe you’ll tell me how to redo all the documentation in cases of solving this problem? Well, if such an awesome special can tell me how to solve problems with uninhabited combat modules for MBT, self-propelled guns.
              1. bask
                +2
                7 January 2013 21: 42
                Quote: Mechanic
                problems with uninhabited combat modules for MBT,

                It’s impossible to solve the problems of a combat, uninhabited module. Today you don’t need an inhabited tower .. With a good electronic filling. VC. in the stern of the tower .., with knockout hatches. In the case of detonation In K.Oyek 640 ,, Black eagle ,,,
                1. +6
                  7 January 2013 21: 45
                  Quote: bask
                  It’s impossible to solve the problems of a combat, uninhabited module. Today you don’t need an inhabited tower .. With a good electronic filling. VC. in the stern of the tower .., with knockout hatches. In the case of detonation In K.Oyek 640 ,, Black eagle ,,,

                  Well, then, according to TK, the combat module must be uninhabited. request So the designers abut.
                  1. bask
                    0
                    8 January 2013 09: 48
                    [media = http: //www.yotube.com%20Obiect%20640 (Russian% 20tank) -You% 20Tube]
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    Well, then, according to TK, the combat module must be uninhabited. So the designers abut.

                    MBT ,,, Black Eagle ,,,
              2. +5
                8 January 2013 08: 05
                Quote: Mechanic
                Damn how many naive are you here

                "You are not a good person, assistant professor. You are evil as a dog ..."
                I have no desire to prove anything to you. Moreover, you claim to be the main specialist. I didn’t even hint at it, but you apparently could not read. laughing
                1. +1
                  8 January 2013 08: 13
                  Quote: esaul
                  I have no desire to prove anything to you

                  It will be difficult to prove, especially to one of the designers of ARMATA wassat A mechanic is directly involved in the development and testing of Almaty hi
                  1. bask
                    +5
                    8 January 2013 08: 23
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    It will be difficult to prove, especially to one of the designers of ARMATA A Mechanic is directly involved in the development and testing of Armata

                    Greetings to Alexander .. The propaganda in our mass media has exceeded all successes in the military-industrial complex .. There are no words about difficulties and difficulties. Some victorious speeches. SCIENCE AND EDUCATION TO DEVELOP-TO RESTORE IT IS NECESSARY AS UNDER THE USSR. Then we will start to build tanks and everything else, better than the world standards.
                    1. +5
                      8 January 2013 08: 28
                      Quote: bask
                      Advocacy in our media has exceeded all successes in the military-industrial complex .. There are no words about difficulties and difficulties. Some victorious speeches. SCIENCE AND EDUCATION TO DEVELOP -RESTORE

                      Hi Bask, but you also need to have respect for those who work on new developments every day, solving quite a few difficulties.
                      Design not write posts hi
                      1. bask
                        +3
                        8 January 2013 08: 43
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov


                        Hi Bask, but you also need to have respect for those who work on new developments every day, solving quite a few difficulties.
                        Design not write posts

                        This is what Mechanic-Eugene writes in comments, especially with such technically very complex ones. TK But why the hell do we need an uninhabited tower .. ???? O. There is a waste facility for OBT, object 640 ,, Black Eagle ,, tower. There is no uninhabited said above. Here and f .... designer ..
                      2. +3
                        8 January 2013 08: 46
                        Quote: bask
                        But why the hell do we need an uninhabited tower .. ???

                        Yes they are what? The designers were given the task, the money plumped, but it’s difficult, it’s not difficult, they don’t bother too much. Yes, and how many really specialists are at the top hi
                    2. scrack
                      0
                      8 January 2013 17: 20
                      We have already begun to do this - we have eliminated the USE in military universities. True, this is not enough.
                    3. Kommunisten
                      0
                      8 February 2013 01: 17
                      Is the T-50 already flying? Mig-35 build under contract? Mi-28, Ka-52, Mi-26, Mi-35 and thousands of other types of weapons go to the troops, you alone are the poor deaf-mute deaf.
                      So the troll would close the biscuit box and go would overslept chtoli)
          2. +2
            7 January 2013 21: 22
            We will sell it. when we do the armature. For example, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia and all our friends. I, so I think, until the armata are delivered to us in full, they won’t go abroad, at least they shouldn’t go! And along the way, China is already eyeing it and is trying to probe the soil and bring down the price with such articles!
            1. +2
              7 January 2013 21: 53
              Quote: neri73-r
              And along the way, China is already eyeing it and is trying to probe the soil and bring down the price with such articles!

              Yeah, watching.
              1. Alex 241
                0
                7 January 2013 22: 02
                China Research Institute of Transport Engineering (China North Vehicle Research Institute).
                A story about history and achievements (in Chinese).
                [media = http: // http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = vrD6VcoM7G4] frames and modern developments like “Type 99A2”
              2. Alex 241
                +1
                7 January 2013 22: 03
                China Research Institute of Transport Engineering (China North Vehicle Research Institute).
                A story about history and achievements (in Chinese).
                frames and modern developments of type "Type 99A2"
              3. bask
                +3
                7 January 2013 22: 26
                Quote: Kars


                Yeah, watching.

                Only on one set of pieces 50 is not a type -99. .. And only for the KPA .. Here is the pace of rearmament. And do not wait 15-20 years .. They are doing and arming right now ....
                1. Alex 241
                  +1
                  7 January 2013 22: 31
                  ...............................................
                2. Kommunisten
                  0
                  8 February 2013 01: 13
                  In terms of level - this is a well-modernized T-55. However, we understand the difference between the T-55 and T-90, as well as between the I-16 and the Mig-25?
                  And what's the point now to rivet the T-90, when on the way Armata? For this time, we’ll have enough of 20+ thousand tanks, which are already half in storage.
          3. +3
            7 January 2013 23: 39
            and what for they are in the North Caucasus? there and t-62 quite fit.
        2. +7
          7 January 2013 20: 52
          Quote: 53-Sciborskiy
          Currently, the upgraded T-90MS Tagil tank has the coolest and most sophisticated fire control system and the best combat survivability among all known tanks. Pay attention to how playful and agile he is, what power
          charged in his steel muscles. The speed of the transfer of the gun and the rotation of the tower are simply impressive! Unlike previous models of tanks of the "T" series, the ergonomics of the crew's workplaces are comparable to
          the comfort of a good car. At the same time, the T-90MS tank is reliably protected from circular shelling from ATGMs and RPGs, and against explosions on anti-tank mines. T-90MS - the next-generation Russian super-tank.
          And how many of them are adopted by the Russian Federation? And why do we test the Armata platform then? And what kind of membership are we starting to urgently convert T72 into "Slingshot". By the way, since the beginning of the year, we have already modified 100 tanks for India, but for Russia at UVZ there are only about 40. So pray for "Armata" as a super breakthrough of Russia in tank building.
          1. PLO
            +2
            7 January 2013 21: 12
            But is it worth it? otherwise your previous comments make you doubt it or was it in the hearts and emotions?

            By the way, since the beginning of the year for India we have modified 100 tanks

            and in which mod-ju for India we are upgrading
            and in general you are aware of what kind of T-72B3 and can you tell?
            1. +6
              7 January 2013 21: 22
              Quote: olp
              But is it worth it? otherwise your previous comments make you doubt it or was it in the hearts and emotions?
              about 30 pieces came to Omsk for Russia. On the other hand, trains with Indian tanks come to Tagil about every 3 months for reconstruction. I have to go there for 2-3 days a week. And still answer the question. How many T90MS Tagil does Russia have?
              1. PLO
                +3
                7 January 2013 21: 27
                And still answer the question. How many T90MS Tagil does Russia have?

                Well, I think you yourself know that only one
                but as I understand it, to upgrade the T-72 and T-90A to the level of T-90MS, you need to make a new tower and put it on the old chassis, and since we will have Armata, this is not practical
                so IMHO everything rests on Armata, if it meets our expectations, then the current policy will be true, if not, then .. no
              2. bask
                +1
                7 January 2013 21: 28
                Quote: Mechanic
                How many T90MS Tagil does Russia have?

                Of course to answer ....... !!!
              3. +1
                8 January 2013 00: 07
                If it’s no secret what the modernization of the T-90 for Hindus is, our people screamed (Ukraine) that they almost won the modernization contract for the T-90, with a replacement for the Ukrainian engine, and I would like to have your opinion on the T-90MS and Oplot tanks, I am particularly interested PTT-5 sights, and Essa on the T-90. According to the Ukrainian version, you are resting and we are getting better. I would like to hear a version of a professional without an eye.
          2. bask
            +2
            7 January 2013 21: 22
            Quote: Mechanic
            it is necessary to remake it into "Slingshot".

            Probably in order not to buy a more expensive MBT. T -90-MS ..... 4 ml. $ .. Against 1.5 $ ML. T-72B ,,, Slingshot ,,, saving ........
            1. +2
              7 January 2013 21: 43
              Quote: bask
              Probably in order not to buy a more expensive MBT. T -90-MS ..... 4 ml. $ .. Against 1.5 $ ML. T-72B ,,, Slingshot ,,, saving .......
              Greetings dear .bask and Oleg. Happy holiday to you. I have a question for the esaul close to the deputies. What we are modernizing tanks for India, and we are waiting for Almaty. There are big problems with her.
              1. PLO
                +2
                7 January 2013 21: 49
                and you with the Coming and Merry Christmas hi
              2. bask
                +3
                7 January 2013 21: 52
                Quote: Mechanic

                ...... Greetings dear .bask and Oleg. Happy holiday to you. I have a question for the esaul close to the deputies. What we are modernizing tanks for India, and we are waiting for Almaty. There are big problems with her.

                Good evening Eugene with CHRISTMAS ... !!! I wrote in komenta. What should I buy MBT T90-MS up to 20 years. in R.A. . And along the way to upgrade their T-90 A. Up to the level of T-90 MS.
                1. -1
                  7 January 2013 23: 09
                  Quote: bask
                  Good evening Eugene with CHRISTMAS ... !!! I wrote in komente. What you need to buy MBT T90-MS up to 20 year. in R.A. .And along the way, upgrade your T-90 A. Up to the level of T-90 МС
                  Your words and prezik in your ears. drinks
                  1. bask
                    +4
                    7 January 2013 23: 26
                    Quote: Mechanic

                    Your words and prezik in your ears.

                    Looks like the ears are busy not that .. angry
              3. +9
                7 January 2013 22: 21
                Quote: Mechanic
                Greetings dear .bask and Oleg. Happy holiday to you.


                I sincerely and heartily wish all Orthodox Christians a Merry Christmas. I wish the people of Russia prosperity and prosperity! good
                1. bask
                  +2
                  7 January 2013 23: 04
                  Quote: Apollon

                  I sincerely and heartily wish all Orthodox Christians a Merry Christmas. I wish the people of Russia prosperity and prosperity!

                  Thank. And you too. Merry Christmas. !!! .. Weapons in Russia have always been created, not for attacking someone, but for protection !!!!
          3. evil hamster
            +2
            8 January 2013 01: 52
            By the way, since the beginning of the year for India we have modified 100 tanks, but for Russia at UVZ only about 40
            If sclerosis does not change me, there was information about 2 contracts of 170 T72 rev.20011 and 360 T72 rev. 2012 for the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The deadline is 2015. Are you sure these are Indian tanks? If so, do not tell me under what contract? (it’s just that I kind of tried to follow this topic and this information passed me) It is simply surprising that the Indians require a licensed assembly of the T90 (and received it) and at the same time they upgrade their tanks to Tagil for modernization ??? very doubtful!
        3. 0
          8 January 2013 13: 23
          [quote = esaul] Thank you, Valery! But not everyone thinks so, four put a minus.
      2. 0
        8 January 2013 12: 33
        Quote: 53-Sciborskiy
        T-90MS "Tagil" has the coolest and most sophisticated fire control system and the best combat survivability among all known tanks


        More in detail, plz, not slogans
      3. 0
        8 January 2013 21: 59
        There is no reason not to believe you, God forbid if this is so!
    2. +1
      7 January 2013 21: 45
      As far as I understand, these are not just "rags", but this is a matter coated with metamaterials that absorbs radar radiation and makes the tank "invisible" in the radio frequency range ... At the same time, radiation in the infrared range decreases, which in combination will lead to a decrease in the detection range tank with existing sighting and search devices. Those. at night it will be very difficult to detect a tank ... These are these "rags": they mask a mountain of metal.
      1. +5
        7 January 2013 23: 17
        Quote: Tektor
        As far as I understand, these are not just "rags", but this is a matter coated with metamaterials that absorbs radar radiation and makes the tank "invisible" in the radio frequency range ... At the same time, radiation in the infrared range decreases, which in combination will lead to a decrease in the detection range tank with existing sighting and search devices. Those. at night it will be very difficult to detect a tank ... These are these "rags": they mask a mountain of metal.
        So clean for reference. in URORAN in
        In 2001, samples of ceramic-composite paste were invented and released. if you smear it with a BMP 7 mm thick, then it absorbs and dissipates 90% of the radiated heat. Do you know why she is being sent to Germany now? So here is the answer of your favorite GDP. "This invention will be patented on the territory of the Russian Federation, but it has no strategic significance and cannot be used in the VLOOKUP as a technical solution."
        So we’ll hide in rags, and the Germans will smear our paste. Although not surprised, our pres speaks good German.
        1. bask
          +3
          8 January 2013 00: 13
          Quote: Mechanic

          So we’ll hide in rags, and the Germans will smear our paste. Although not surprised, our pres speaks good German.

          Read to Germany in NATO, and NATO to the United States .. Under I.V. Stalin, this was called sabotage ... Article 58.7 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation on 12.09.37 ...
        2. postman
          +1
          8 January 2013 03: 58
          Quote: Mechanic
          samples of ceramic-composite paste. if it is smeared with a BMP of 7 mm thickness, then it absorbs and dissipates 90% of the radiated heat

          ?
          And what's the point of this paste?
          She (paste) "swallowed" 90% of the BMP heat, and dissipated ... where? A: to the environment. What is the difference between m / y scattering from BMP (directly) into the environment and from a certain paste?
          And 10% she (paste) "reflected" and sent inside the BMP, so that it would not be cold?

          Shl. nothing was found on the "ceramic-composite" paste ....
          (only for capacitors)
        3. 0
          8 January 2013 10: 48
          What is the life time of the paste? The absorption and dissipation of this amount of heat will not go unnoticed by any material. And even more so for pasta - i.e. powder on a binding agent. When will the coupling agent become brittle and the tank is bare? Something takes revenge on me that much earlier than the "rag" loses its strength ...
  2. +2
    7 January 2013 17: 49
    What a handsome man !!!! mmmmm !!
    1. MILITARY RF
      +5
      7 January 2013 18: 23
      Yes, but whatever you say, this is modernization ..... and the line has everything .... and I think that the ambulance Russia will let the new generation enter the arena wink
  3. 0
    7 January 2013 17: 49
    It can be seen with the naked eye that Chubais put his hands on the modernization with a "NANO rag". In these photos and on the web, there is no "architecture" of this sample.
    We are looking forward to "Armata" to admire the engineering genius of UVZ designers. (hoping with a sinking heart) feel
    1. Tjumenec72
      0
      7 January 2013 18: 44
      would not jinx it ...
  4. _N_O_S_
    -12
    7 January 2013 17: 53
    the main thing is that it is not, old wine in an old bottle "" .......... besides, the cost of the tank is large, and most likely in the next 5-8 years the tank will be purchased in the amount of 3 pieces for show on the red square. In addition, the T-90 was created in the late 80s and early 90s of the last century, and the corresponding question arises - 23 years for a tank - isn't it too much? If you take into account that the samples of the main modern tanks of foreign countries, standing on the MAIN WEAPON of these, were created in 2000-2007 !!! And they were not created on the principle of "designing new rocket launchers on a carriage" (otherwise, "new wine in an old bottle"), but designed from start to finish !!!!!
    but let's hope that on the basis of a cart with a rocket launcher instead of a machine gun, a tank of a NEW GENERATION will be created !!!!
    1. +2
      7 January 2013 18: 20
      Quote: _N_O_S_
      If you take into account that the samples of the main modern tanks of foreign countries, standing on the BASIC WEAPONS thereof, were created in the 2000-2007s !!!

      Is it Abrams or something?
    2. +6
      7 January 2013 18: 28
      Zdrast, the basis of the tank fleet of Western countries are models of the 80s of development.
    3. Tjumenec72
      +4
      7 January 2013 18: 47
      how many fundamentally new tanks were designed in 2000-2007 ??? !!!
    4. rolik
      +6
      7 January 2013 19: 38
      Quote: _N_O_S_
      created in the 2000-2007 years !!!

      Nonsense. Abrasha also turned 30, Leopard in general 50 (the first Leopard), Leclerc - 30 years old, Challenger - 30 years old. Where are the news here ???? Only if modifications to these tanks.
    5. +4
      7 January 2013 19: 40
      Western countries have no new tanks. And even more so, no new ones have been created. Moreover, for example, Germany, sold almost its entire tank fleet, leaving only 3 tank battalions - 144 tanks.
    6. +1
      7 January 2013 20: 13
      T-90 in service with the Russian ground forces about 500 units all issues of them about 400 units of T-90A.
    7. 0
      7 January 2013 20: 35
      By the way, the comparative characteristics of the modernized tanks of all countries.

    8. +1
      7 January 2013 20: 42
      By the way, the comparative characteristics of tanks

      1. Tjumenec72
        0
        7 January 2013 23: 15
        Of the more or less NEW developments, perhaps the Japanese Type 10
    9. evil hamster
      +1
      8 January 2013 02: 01
      If you take into account that the samples of the main modern tanks of foreign countries, standing on the BASIC WEAPONS thereof, were created in the 2000-2007s !!!
      Use YandexGoogle and find out when the program that gave birth to Abrashu and Leo 2 started, you will be very surprised, I guarantee it.
  5. toguns
    +7
    7 January 2013 17: 56
    actually why not ???
    Armata is still far away and you need to solve something with old models.
    smooth transition
    from t-72 to T-72B2 "Slingshot"
    and t-90 at t-90ms
    I think it will be clearly a plus for our armored forces.
    1. _N_O_S_
      +3
      7 January 2013 18: 01
      Yes, you are right, but you should conduct it in parallel with the completion and introduction of serial samples into serial production, but in parallel you need to develop completely new samples that have no analogues.
      But it is not necessary to pass off the revision of old models for the creation of "absolutely new" ones.
    2. +2
      7 January 2013 21: 21
      T-90MS - very impressive protective characteristics and with ergonomics it became better. This machine seems to have armor much better than the previous ones and it seems like they provide circular protection.
  6. +7
    7 January 2013 18: 05
    If you upgrade to the t-90MS level, the T-90A available in the troops will be excellent ...
  7. _N_O_S_
    +7
    7 January 2013 18: 08
    knock me down a negative rating !!!!
    1. +1
      7 January 2013 20: 03
      Hold +50 get out in plus
    2. 0
      7 January 2013 20: 50
      _N_O_S_,
      hold +80 wink
      1. +1
        7 January 2013 21: 23
        And why bring down your rating?
    3. +3
      7 January 2013 23: 03
      I read your comments. Well, excuse them for the good only - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. There is no more in them.
  8. +3
    7 January 2013 18: 08
    Great tank!
    Photo # 2 is very interesting. How he "sat down" forward!
    Is it just "caught frame" in motion or suspension capabilities?
    1. _N_O_S_
      +3
      7 January 2013 18: 13
      podcast
      watch the video from the t-90 tests.
  9. 0
    7 January 2013 18: 16
    It’s interesting how the automatic loader looks now, and photos with the internal layout would be shown.
    1. Pinochet000
      +2
      7 January 2013 18: 47
      Yes, in general, as well as on the T90a, it can be upgraded for longer shells ...... non-mechanized laying was taken out of the BO (fighting compartment) into the aft niche of the tower. here they were analyzed in detail on 60+ pages ... and the LMS and protection, etc. http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=439 http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id = 472
      1. +4
        7 January 2013 19: 04
        And I thought that the automatic loader was made like Leclerc’s.
        I ran out of ammunition, I "unfastened" the container and put a new one. smile
  10. _N_O_S_
    -10
    7 January 2013 18: 23
    here .. aaaaaaaaa
  11. atomic
    +5
    7 January 2013 18: 37
    I admit, I’m not very versed in armored vehicles, but the aesthetics are just at their best. Leclerc, Leopard, Ebrams in comparison with him are Lenin's armored vehicles.
  12. 0
    7 January 2013 18: 41
    Yes, I wonder how the crew are there!?
  13. MilaPhone
    0
    7 January 2013 18: 42
    Healthy conservatism is not a hindrance to the tank.
  14. bremest
    +3
    7 January 2013 18: 43
    And I like this tank. Good and hardy car. Of course, a new tank is needed, but there is no need to upgrade the T-72 and T-90 tanks.
  15. 0
    7 January 2013 18: 45
    Dear forum users, please tell me where to look, preferably a video, tanks from the inside, how the crew is located there, the work of AZ ... I searched for something and did not find it recourse
    1. Pinochet000
      +3
      7 January 2013 18: 50
      Quote: almost demobilized
      please tell me where to look
      there are a lot of photos and videos in these topics.
      http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=439
      http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=472
  16. +1
    7 January 2013 19: 22
    To expand and lengthen the hull somewhat, add a seventh roller, put a new engine (1500l / s), remake the tower and get an excellent tank.
    1. +3
      7 January 2013 19: 42
      There is nowhere to expand - the railway dimensions will not allow. Omsk people were lengthened, added and altered in the 90s - "Black Eagle" was called, however, the T-80 was sausage ...
      We are waiting for "Armata", they will not spend money on SM-ku.
  17. +2
    7 January 2013 19: 25
    So it’s like they said that this modification of the tank is intended exclusively for export, and our MO is not going to buy it request
  18. +3
    7 January 2013 19: 41
    there is an "advertisement" for t-90s on YouTube. who is not difficult, please lay out. thanks in advance
    1. Alex 241
      +9
      7 January 2013 19: 46
      Hi Andrei, hold on.
      1. +4
        7 January 2013 19: 51
        Quote: Alex 241
        Hi Andrei, hold

        thanks, Sasha! but there is something else. are you tired of traffic jams? so begins
        1. Alex 241
          +11
          7 January 2013 19: 54
          Well, you are a gourmet Andryukh!
          1. +2
            7 January 2013 19: 58
            Quote: Alex 241
            Well, you gourmet Andryukh

            it is. and I am not a gourmet, "little white" to spare. Merry Christmas
            1. Alex 241
              +3
              7 January 2013 20: 01
              Thank you, and Merry Christmas to you, if God is with us, then who will defeat us?
              1. +3
                7 January 2013 20: 09
                Quote: Alex 241
                if God is with us, then who will defeat us?

                Sasha! so that you ... the slogan is the Catholic, Ryme Empire. we don’t have such an adversary who resisted the Russian army
                1. Alex 241
                  +13
                  7 January 2013 20: 13
                  .................................................. ..............................
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                  1. +4
                    7 January 2013 20: 16
                    Alexander! Now the truth has been revealed!
                    1. +10
                      7 January 2013 20: 29
                      Happy Holiday !!!
                      1. Alex 241
                        +7
                        7 January 2013 20: 30
                        Happy Lesh!
                  2. bask
                    +12
                    7 January 2013 22: 53
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                    1. +3
                      7 January 2013 22: 57
                      The words of a visionary politician and a wise philosopher! Is there a refutation?
          2. +3
            7 January 2013 20: 04
            alex 241,
            Happy holiday, Sasha hi Thanks for the video! Now I believe in our "auto industry"! laughing good
            1. Alex 241
              +5
              7 January 2013 20: 10
              Happy holiday Valere. Demand creates an offer laughing
      2. akbarr
        0
        8 January 2013 10: 25
        Handsome !!!!!
    2. +5
      7 January 2013 19: 49
      Quote: andrei332809

      there is an "advertisement" for t-90s on YouTube. who is not difficult, please lay out. thanks in advance

      1. +2
        7 January 2013 19: 54
        and thank you for your help
  19. sergskak
    +5
    7 January 2013 19: 44
    This is how this MSK was shown on TV in the program "POLYGON". The thing is certainly good, but still the same 72nd in ristayleng. Let's wait for a new platform, if it is, of course, we have already worn out with it !!! But gas turbines will start producing this business again! There is nothing cooler than the 80s yet !!!
    1. sergskak
      +5
      7 January 2013 19: 48
      Well here it is. See and decide.
    2. +5
      7 January 2013 20: 14
      sergskak, unfortunately, the production of gas turbine engines will not be revived, so for other reasons you can forget about the bright future for the T80. and all thanks to the corrupt and most importantly drunk (in the literal sense) government in the 90s.
      1. sergskak
        +3
        7 January 2013 20: 39
        MRomanovich, That’s annoying. The pizza factory only works for Junk. And I want to see the tanks loaded onto the platforms again !!!
        production of gas turbine engines will not revive
        And why revive them? Stamp and all the short life! All our base and technology.
    3. +3
      8 January 2013 00: 21
      Absolutely agree! Even a gas turbine engine could be reanimated, if there was a desire, there is still .. Oh, let the 80s go, it will be cooler than what the 72s have, and now the MS!
    4. 0
      9 January 2013 03: 38
      Well, at least one connoisseur of beauty has appeared !!!! T-80 is a work of art - not a tank, especially the latest modifications! And the transmission !!!!! Pestnya !!!!! It's a pity, a pity and a pity again for the GTD. With modern technologies, it would be possible to reduce the specific consumption, increase power while maintaining the weight and size characteristics. Instead, we are releasing the granddaughter of the B-42 with a "golden" calender.
  20. +3
    7 January 2013 20: 02
    rather "old wine in a new bottle"
    1. sergskak
      +1
      7 January 2013 20: 05
      AeneasThat's right. The title of the article speaks for itself. NOTHING NEW !!!
  21. sergskak
    0
    7 January 2013 20: 19
    Dear connoisseurs of the game WORLD of TANKS, do not confuse it with the original MS-koy. Although you can argue. laughing
    1. +1
      8 January 2013 00: 46
      Her Death Machine is sacred — there is nothing to confuse with it.
  22. stranik72
    +1
    7 January 2013 21: 59
    I am interested, but the possibilities of his fight against the helicopter, apparently, everything is usual and nothing new has been implemented. So, in a one-on-one fight with a helicopter without involving "assistants", he has no chance of winning, or is there any?
    1. Alex 241
      +1
      7 January 2013 22: 23
      .................................................. .........
      1. stranik72
        0
        7 January 2013 22: 32
        This is a fantasy series, balloons would have hung out. lol
        1. Alex 241
          +1
          7 January 2013 22: 45
          By the way, it’s absolutely a good idea, get acquainted with the application experience.
      2. +1
        7 January 2013 22: 41
        In detail in a subject did not penetrate. But tell me, Sanya, in the background Yakovlev?
        1. Alex 241
          +1
          7 January 2013 22: 44
          Sash is a combat training TU 134ubl, in the Tambov VVAUL was used to train cadets.
          1. +1
            7 January 2013 22: 52
            Thanks, Sasha! So I can smell 34, but something heaped up hurts.
            1. Alex 241
              +2
              7 January 2013 23: 00
              To simulate the view from the cockpit of the Tu-22MZ, the Tu-134 extended the nose of the fuselage, for which the plane subsequently received the nickname "Christina." The crew cabin is located from the frame number 2 to the frame number 15. Behind it to the frame number 45 is an empty "salon".
              Under the radiotransparent nasal fairing, a radar for surveying the earth's surface ROS-1 of a civil airliner was kept. The combat training aircraft was also equipped with optoelectronic sighting and navigation equipment, as on bombers armed with long-range aviation.
              In addition, the Tu-134UB-L equipment includes oxygen devices KP-24M with masks KM-32AG and KP-19 with smoke masks LP-2, intercom SPU-7, transponder SO-72M, radio navigation system RSBN-PKV , NKP-4 navigation course instrument, NPK-4 flight instrument, R-832M radio station, ABSU-134 automatic on-board control system, etc.
              We strengthened not only the glider, but also the chassis, since novice and inexperienced pilots sat at the controls of the training machines. The landing weight, like that of the airliner, was limited to 43 kg, and for five consecutive landings with an interval of 000 minutes - 15 kg. Introduced additional anti-corrosion protection of the fuselage.
              1. +1
                7 January 2013 23: 03
                The nose of the 22nd car recognized. But the fuselage anticorrosive in Tambov why?
                1. Alex 241
                  +1
                  7 January 2013 23: 11
                  Sash my opinion dop.obrabotali the inside of the fuselage.
                  1. +2
                    7 January 2013 23: 16
                    If to extend the "lifelong" resource of the training machine? Quite possible. The ingenuity of the Russian soldier defies the analysis of army psychoanalysts!
                    1. Alex 241
                      +1
                      7 January 2013 23: 19
                      Sash, I think it’s a matter of economy, a containment area with a crew, and then bare iron, you yourself understand the temperature difference, condensate and other delights.
                      1. +1
                        7 January 2013 23: 24
                        Verily we are invincible !!!! lol drinks Have the weighers given the go-ahead?
                      2. Alex 241
                        +1
                        7 January 2013 23: 33
                        The Russian Land will stand and stand on that! drinks

                        Sash and take into account the weight of additional equipment, weapons complex.
                      3. +2
                        7 January 2013 23: 37
                        Everything is taken into account! Any design usually comes with a factor of at least 2. This is me about the invincible fortress of the spirit in the Russian army !!!
                  2. bask
                    +3
                    7 January 2013 23: 35
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    the inside of the fuselage.

                    Good night Happy Holiday ,,. Flyers ,, take it away .. please that the peasant has a jo ....... for the engine He will fly ????? Joke laughing laughing laughing
                    1. Alex 241
                      +3
                      7 January 2013 23: 41
                      And you with a holiday and all the best, a liquid engine is apparently experiencing here, and after five seconds of purging, this small one should fly up drinks
                    2. +1
                      7 January 2013 23: 50
                      Liquid for sure. But the calculation is mathematically quite accurate. The weight characteristics of the object are observed - this is unique. In addition, the object has passed all static and dynamic tests! good drinks Everyone makes money - what he learned! good
              2. stranik72
                +1
                7 January 2013 23: 59
                On the UBL, the cadets never flew on their own, so they held on to the steering wheel while landing, the instructor sat down, only takeoff, the horizon of the route, the zone still allowed to "steer" further "just hold on gently". With the graduate of OVVAUL-84 g, somehow fate connected a lot of interesting things I learned. He said that the instructors on them were experienced lieutenants and senior lieutenants practically flew little independently, and did not carry groups at all.
          2. stranik72
            +1
            7 January 2013 23: 49
            In the Orenburg VVAUL UBL, the same was, about the balloons, on "fishlessness and cancer" for their use against a helicopter, I can't even imagine how this should be done for a height of 5 to 30 meters.
            1. Alex 241
              +3
              7 January 2013 23: 51
              And in Chelyabinsk, and about balloons I recall
              1. +1
                7 January 2013 23: 59
                A fragment from "Features of the national ...."? Aviation alcohol and not for such moments will sometimes see. Only one "fragrant" taste of rubber is worth something !!!! drinks Lyapota !!!!
                1. Alex 241
                  +1
                  8 January 2013 00: 09
                  And the muddy morning of the next day! laughing
                  1. +2
                    8 January 2013 00: 13
                    It’s not beer that kills people - WATER KILLS !!! How muddy the morning was not, but the tasks set were always carried out !!!!! Upon completion of the task, it was ........
                    1. Alex 241
                      +1
                      8 January 2013 00: 16
                      They will order us, we will fulfill, but we will fulfill and fill laughing
                      1. +1
                        8 January 2013 00: 20
                        That is what the Russian army holds on to! And more than one century already, oddly enough? Whatever reforms are carried out, the genetic memory of the Russian army takes its toll! And this is our strength !!!!! drinks
                      2. Alex 241
                        +5
                        8 January 2013 00: 32
                        Anytime and anywhere! drinks
                      3. +1
                        8 January 2013 00: 38
                        Definitely, Sanya !!! I took away my question about Yakovlev from the branch, and you smoothly returned to the topic in unison! For victory!!! drinks
                      4. Alex 241
                        +4
                        8 January 2013 00: 43
                        Sanya, Dad is a tankman, so tanks are sacred to me since childhood! I still remember this car. Every year on May 9 a parade was opened. The houses were trembling when they left!
                      5. +4
                        8 January 2013 00: 46
                        If we are able to maintain the continuity of generations, as our fathers did, then truly we are invincible !!!! good
                      6. Alex 241
                        +9
                        8 January 2013 00: 48
                        Save Sanya, save!
                      7. +2
                        8 January 2013 00: 54
                        I also begin to believe that we will save! At the turn of the 90s - XNUMXs, there were doubts. And today I see that everything is not so bad. "Great is seen at a distance ..."!
            2. +1
              8 January 2013 04: 56
              According to the experience of the First World War - lower a pood weight from a UAV on a cable.
    2. +1
      9 January 2013 03: 41
      We need a trained crew, which in practice used guided munitions - and another question - who is who.
  23. Alex 241
    +2
    7 January 2013 23: 25
    You yourself see everything is very ascetic, no aeroflot chic.
    1. +1
      7 January 2013 23: 31
      In fact, everything is very clear. And I would do the same. We have one homeland, and we are called to defend it !!! At any cost! With a shield or on a shield !!! From home, he wore an epoxy putty for the good of the cause.
      1. Alex 241
        +1
        7 January 2013 23: 34
        San a Campound remember drinks
        1. +2
          7 January 2013 23: 44
          Russian technologies are unique !!! drinks And sometimes they are so subtle that the material developers themselves are surprised how quickly, skillfully and effectively these unique technologies are applied by our craftsmen. Everything happens at the level of intuition! The whole charm of our aircraft and space industry is that the assemblers do not stupidly follow what is written in technology, but put their soul into the product! At the same time, the technological chain is strictly observed!
          1. Alex 241
            +4
            7 January 2013 23: 52
            Ah aviation mother dear! drinks
            1. +1
              7 January 2013 23: 55
              What a flight !!! What a grace !!!! True perfection!!!! drinks Although not its purpose!
  24. +4
    7 January 2013 23: 49
    Key modernization activities
  25. +1
    8 January 2013 01: 07
    Nice car, beautiful, impressive. But this is the opinion of a civilian man, a man who, like most men, is in love with nature in arms, in military equipment. Professionals can evaluate and then not according to the table of tactical and technical data. In my opinion, today the car is still consistent, but there is no prospect. Like everything modernized, reconstructed. All this allows for some time to maintain a certain level and most importantly allows you to create a new one.
    And God forbid, that would be so.
  26. +1
    8 January 2013 01: 16
    The tank is handsome! How much they said that the limit of modernization has been exhausted, but here it is. And albeit a little change, but the potential laid down by Soviet designers cannot but surprise. I'm waiting for the fittings, let's see what Russian designers are capable of
    1. lechatormosis
      +1
      8 January 2013 08: 08
      the professor will say that there is nothing better than merkava.
  27. cil86
    +1
    8 January 2013 04: 59
    raz already talked about airplanes

    Recently I came across: Tu = 22M "in storage". Check it out

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