British newspaper: British intelligence could track down a sunken Chinese Navy submarine through a PLA officer's Apple watch

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British newspaper: British intelligence could track down a sunken Chinese Navy submarine through a PLA officer's Apple watch

Spy mania seems to have spread not only to the United States, where government employees have been banned from using the popular Chinese video platform TikTok since the end of last year due to fears of wiretapping by Chinese intelligence services through the application. A similar situation is developing in China with regard to American electronic devices.

The British newspaper Daily Mail reports that British military intelligence MI6 could track down a sunken military submarine of the Chinese Navy by listening to the smart watch of the American company Apple, owned by one of the PLA officers. Information about this disaster is classified, but according to the publication, an accident occurred on one of the nuclear submarines of the PLA Navy Type-093 “Shan” on August 21, as a result of which the submarine sank in the Yellow Sea in the Chinese province of Shandong.



All 55 sailors on board the submarine, including 22 officers, seven cadets, two foremen, 17 sailors and the ship's commander, colonel (captain of the first rank), died. The publication claims that the ship fell into a trap that the Chinese military had previously allegedly set for British and American ships.

During the investigation into the cause of the disaster, the Chinese military allegedly discovered that British intelligence was spying on the submarine through remote access to an Apple gadget belonging to a senior PLA officer serving in Guangdong province in southern China. The newspaper refers to information received from Chinese oppositionists, who had copies of documents from the Chinese Communist Party, which talk about Western intervention.

The British tabloid claims that the revelation of espionage by the British intelligence service caused a big scandal in the leadership of the PRC. Earlier, Beijing officially denied information disseminated in Western media about the disaster with a nuclear submarine and the death of the entire crew of the submarine.

Meanwhile, the American company Apple does have the ability to track at least the geolocation of its gadgets, as well as gain access to other data, especially those stored in cloud services. Apple specialists can also remotely install any software on their gadgets, including spyware and malware, under the guise of updates without the owner’s knowledge. Which, however, can be done by manufacturers of Chinese smartphones and other electronic devices.

In Russia, civil servants are also prohibited from using Apple gadgets for official purposes. There is no national official order on this topic, but such decisions were made by the heads of almost all government agencies, institutions, companies and departments. At the beginning of June, the FSB of the Russian Federation announced the discovery of an intelligence campaign by American intelligence services related to the infection of thousands of iPhones, including those registered to foreign embassies in Russia.
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  1. +24
    7 October 2023 11: 09
    remote access to an Apple gadget
    Possible through non-existent cell phone towers in the Yellow Sea through the water column and the metal hull of the submarine belay ? Not to mention the fact that the Chinese are not that stupid. To wear such a watch in the service, they make it themselves and know about the possibilities.
    1. +4
      7 October 2023 11: 29
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      Not to mention the fact that the Chinese are not that stupid.

      You simply won't believe how stupid officers can be, especially senior ones. In the USSR, radar officers were forced to cover all the air defense control consoles with plexiglass before allowing the command commission there. During the exercises it was absolutely hell; we had to assign observer officers for zone observation, when each observer saw all his colleagues. Otherwise, the generals managed to stick their finger under the plexiglass and turn on the secret frequency for transmission. Or sabotage the station. Or do something similar. When they were caught (and the issuance of a secret frequency is actually a tribunal according to the law), they always started yelling that some soldier did it. When there was no one in the room below the rank of colonel, and there were no officers of the RL battalion, who backed each other up.
      I am sure that in all branches of the military there are exactly the same stories in abundance...
      1. +7
        7 October 2023 12: 06
        Quote: Mikhail3
        In the USSR, radar operators were forced to cover all air defense control panels with plexiglass
        And what kind of remote controls at the ZKP (Protected Command Post) were located in the places where the commissions went? As long as I remember. then the ODKP only had telephones and the State GPS had maps of areas, flight zones, call signs and the like. All the remote controls, buttons and toggle switches, which were covered with plexiglass, polystyrene, and similar caps, were in the operator rooms. The station always stood at a distance from the ZCP, and there was no point in going there for generals, as well as colonels, as well as others who arrived. They worked according to a completely different plan. The inspectors who came to check the operability of stations and control rooms were primarily interested in passports, forms, work logs and the like. Even if they climbed into the radar, RRS and other stations and equipment rooms, it was only at the moment when it was turned off, and they simply could not press any toggle switch, especially a closed one. And even if this happened, what would happen to the switched off hardware room?
        Quote: Mikhail3
        I am sure that in all branches of the military there are exactly the same stories in abundance...

        I read the first such nonsense in your comment.
        1. 0
          7 October 2023 18: 39
          Quote: Fitter65
          And what kind of remote controls at the ZKP (Protected Command Post) were located in the places where the commissions went? As long as I remember. then the ODKP only had telephones and the State GPS had maps of areas, flight zones,

          Are you one of those commissions, or what?! The radar battalion's command post completely replicates the combat command post, ALL the command post equipment is there, all the cables are duplicated, everything works. Every second of the life of the command post is new data for repelling an enemy attack, transmitted to anti-aircraft gunners and pilots.
          Therefore, target designation will continue as long as at least one of these command posts is intact. Well, at least that’s how it was in the USSR, when these command posts kept a continuous radar shield over the country.
          It’s impossible to determine exactly, but judging by this
          and press some switch
          then what happens to the switched off hardware?
          and for this
          I read the first such nonsense in your comment.
          Most of all, it looks like you are one of the generals of the paradise group. Well, one of those who are immediately born a colonel (because the Pope is a Moscow general) and immediately receive another rank.
          You see, the toggle switch cannot be pressed) This is impossible, it does not press...
      2. +2
        7 October 2023 12: 13
        An old Soviet slogan: “A chatterbox is a godsend for a spy.”

        New Russian: "Keep digital hygiene!"
      3. 0
        8 October 2023 16: 41
        While I don’t believe in the loss of China’s nuclear submarines, it is impossible to hide this in our time. As for the beeping Apple watch, one can assume the opposite. While the officer was alive and carried them on his arm, they successfully signaled via Wi-Fi at home and everywhere. where he is. And then suddenly the signal disappeared for a long time and does not appear... All that remains is to check the physical presence of the officer at home or in the city and if he is not there... so the hypothesis is ready - he drowned along with the nuclear submarine.
        1. +2
          8 October 2023 16: 59
          the ship fell into a trap that the Chinese military had allegedly previously set for British and American ships.
          I wonder what this "trap" is? Apart from the banal anti-submarine network that blocks the entrances to the base in the narrowest places, nothing comes to mind. And even if the Chinese nuclear submarine ran into such a network, it is unlikely that the depth there was greater than the maximum for this boat. This means that there is always the possibility of releasing an emergency buoy, shooting torpedoes without detonating, releasing air bubbles and oil... Yes, any nuclear submarine can lie on the bottom for weeks or more while they are looking for it. I just can’t imagine the situation that it was lost and the entire Chinese fleet was not looking for it. Let us remember how Argentina lost its submarine while moving from base to base. As soon as she did not get in touch within the established interval, the entire fleet of the country was immediately raised to search for her. But there was an open ocean with incredible depths, and in the Yellow Sea off the coast there is hardly anything like this, where anyone would think of setting up trap nets. And what can Americans and Britons look for there that cannot be seen from any ship or from space?
    2. +3
      7 October 2023 12: 21
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      Not to mention the fact that the Chinese are not that stupid. to wear such a watch in the service -


      Why not ? Our Deputy Minister of Defense Yevkurov walks around with an iPhone (in the video where he spoke with Prigozhin, this is clearly visible) is this generally a normal situation? It is not yet known what our other generals have for phones/watches... and the Chinese fit into this picture quite well) you want stylish/convenient gadgets, but few people think about security.
  2. +9
    7 October 2023 11: 09
    It’s a good watch, it can send a signal from a depth of half a hundred meters to the satellite.
  3. +5
    7 October 2023 11: 10
    There is a small thing in this nonsense, nuclear submarines are structurally contraindicated for maneuvering near the bottom and the Chinese know this and will not build any “rat traps” on the bottom for enemy nuclear submarines. The cooling system of nuclear reactors requires a gap between the bottom and the nuclear submarine. I don’t know what, it’s a secret .
    1. 0
      7 October 2023 11: 20
      However, a bottom mine with a block that detects the presence of a submarine can suddenly be installed. And, since this is not the beginning of the 20th century, but the beginning of the twenty-first, such a mine may not explode itself, but fire a torpedo towards the boat with a fairly large radius of action. A small glitch in the identification block, and...
      1. +2
        7 October 2023 11: 32
        Well, the basing locations of Chinese nuclear submarines are tracked via satellites, in fact, in real time. After some time, it is quite possible to establish that some kind of nuclear submarine is missing. For example, now on the Internet there is a massive amount of photos from satellites of new locations for Black Sea Fleet ships, with a decoding of the name of each ship.
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  5. +2
    7 October 2023 11: 17
    It is unlikely that heroic spies - Apple watches) can pierce the water column with their super signal. And the submarine's hull won't give in either. But if the officer crawled up to get some air while the boat was on the surface, establishing its location is already moving into the realm of possibility. At least it can be determined that she is not only in the blue sea, but also in the yellow one.
  6. +1
    7 October 2023 11: 22
    Some kind of game. How will they transmit something to a satellite without the Internet or from the depths?
  7. 0
    7 October 2023 11: 23
    Yes, I had no doubt that Aplya was capable of this. I wouldn’t be surprised if they can also access the user’s local files on the device and download/view them at the request of the intelligence services.
    1. +1
      7 October 2023 18: 50
      Determining the location of any user of any smartphone at any given point in time cost fifteen thousand rubles last year. The service was in great demand before, and even now it seems its popularity has not fallen.
      There is no fundamental difference in downloading position tags from the operator’s servers and instructing the server to download data from a smart device or the cloud. So the question is more likely not about the brand of smartphone, but about access to the mobile operator’s servers.
      Considering that almost all channel equipment of operators (and the entire network in general) is manufactured by Cisco, and the work of server operators is impossible without an Internet connection, the American intelligence services do not and cannot have any problems with access to any smartphone on the planet) This is a hunt for a bitten apple funny...
  8. 0
    7 October 2023 11: 24
    Yes, after all, the sea is a serious thing. Most likely the clock is somewhere in the headquarters.
  9. 0
    7 October 2023 11: 24
    The Apple watch sank along with the boat, and how did the Naglichans monitor the process at depth?
  10. +1
    7 October 2023 11: 27
    Is it possible to at least sometimes provide links to the original source?
  11. +3
    7 October 2023 11: 30
    To communicate with fleet headquarters, a submarine in a submerged position must:

    Doesn’t an Apple gadget require this? Or was a PLA officer on the shore talking loudly about the sunken boat - where it sank, how many people were on board...? In China, they take foreign gadgets too seriously, and even more so their presence in the army.
    1. 0
      11 October 2023 18: 23
      Quote: rotmistr60
      China takes foreign gadgets too seriously

      What kind of iPhone is “foreign” for China - when they make and everyone knows its filling??
  12. 0
    7 October 2023 11: 30
    Everything I print “arrogant Saxons” is dubious information. Nuclear submarines have nothing to do in this strait. The Chinese have enough diesel submarines that perform functions in coastal waters. Yes, if something happened, the Chinese will remain silent - this is their behavior. Only the fact of the lifting of the submarine or the bodies of the submariners will confirm the incident.
  13. 0
    7 October 2023 11: 30
    Apple can now, with reference to professional sources, advertise its smartwatches as both underwater (a scuba diver can always read an important message about changes in stock prices) and as not limited in the radius of information transmission.
  14. +3
    7 October 2023 11: 36
    Quote: rotmistr60
    To communicate with fleet headquarters, a submarine in a submerged position must:

    Doesn’t an Apple gadget require this? Or was a PLA officer on the shore talking loudly about the sunken boat - where it sank, how many people were on board...?

    Well, this is Apple! And all other manufacturers are silently jealous! For they have been bitten not once, but many times, to the point of stub! /laughs/ :)

    ZY Sarcasm, if anyone is completely stupid.
    Z.Y.Y. But in general, it would not be a sin in such cases for the author to give reference to the original source.
  15. -1
    7 October 2023 11: 39
    Again, in Russia we have a crooked ban - “it is forbidden to use for official purposes” - clowns, damn it.
    So, if in private, then let him lie next to the owner at the workplace, listen to him and transmit his location data?!
  16. -1
    7 October 2023 11: 42
    Quote: Bolt Cutter
    remote access to an Apple gadget
    Possible through non-existent cell phone towers in the Yellow Sea through the water column and the metal hull of the submarine belay ? Not to mention the fact that the Chinese are not that stupid. To wear such a watch in the service, they make it themselves and know about the possibilities.

    You don't know everything! There is the original source of the idea for this article from 9 years ago.
    "Shadow of Charles XII: Sweden is the only superpower of the 3532st century! :)" https://trymava.rf/?p=XNUMX
  17. -1
    7 October 2023 11: 45
    Quote: kakvastam
    Is it possible to at least sometimes provide links to the original source?


    the original source of the idea for this article 9 years ago.
    "Shadow of Charles XII: Sweden is the only superpower of the 3532st century! :)" https://trymava.rf/?p=XNUMX
  18. +1
    7 October 2023 13: 50
    If those reading the article read the article carefully, then there would be no squeals about the thickness of the water and other nonsense in the comments:
    British intelligence spied on the submarine through remote access to an Apple gadget belonging to a high-ranking PLA officer serving in Guangdong province in southern China.

    That is, they overheard an officer who was not on the boat, but on the shore, who was aware of where the boat was!
    1. 0
      7 October 2023 15: 51
      Chinese officers have not used Apple for a long time - it is strictly prohibited. And Huawei, which works on Harmony, is very difficult for everyone except the Chinese.
  19. +1
    7 October 2023 14: 48
    The newspaper refers to information received from Chinese oppositionists
    Now it’s clear where the legs grow from. How we remember the investigations of the oppositionist Navalny, so “fascinating” and, most importantly, “objective”. lol
  20. -1
    7 October 2023 15: 49
    British intelligence))) this is now, as well as British scientists))) The nuclear submarine was underwater in the sea where the depth does not exceed 30 m.)))
  21. +1
    7 October 2023 16: 11
    Quote: Mikhail3
    But if the officer crawled up to get some air when the boat was on the surface

    Yes, the watch could start searching for a network, and the RTR satellite(s) saw these network search requests from the watch, so you can determine where these requests are coming from (although theoretically the watch itself should first “see” some network, and after that trying to establish contact with this network).
    When the boat is underwater (and the clock is inside the boat) it is unlikely that the signals from the clock will reach anywhere.
    And you have to be very “smart” to use such a watch on a submarine

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