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Cruise missiles: flying into the sunset

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Cruise missiles: flying into the sunset

The special military operation, which is confidently moving towards its second anniversary, has shown what many conflicts of the past have failed to show - namely, what happens when two roughly equal armies come together in confrontation.


Let's leave all these rank-ratings for a while, they are of no use, and the second army of the world could not rest its forehead on the twenty-second. It is clear that there are many more hidden and not very allies fighting for the Ukrainian army than for ours, but still.

This article is actually a continuation of the one that talked about strategic bombers and the fact that this type of weapon is becoming frankly outdated and useless, and apart from ceremonial show and the cultivation of territories in the event of a conflict with countries of the third and fourth worlds, no use is expected from them.

What about cruise missiles? And this is the main thing (besides bombs) weapon strategic aviation, which of the three countries possessing strategic aviation cannot be taken. And with them everything is not as clear as with bombers, but nevertheless, there is something to talk about.


В history We almost won't go. Everyone already knows that the first production and combat missile was the German V-1, and since the Second World War, the cruise missile has gone from an aircraft-projectile to what it is now.

Our first cruise missile appeared with the works of Sergei Pavlovich Korolev and Valentin Petrovich Glushko back in 1939.


It was a K-212 rocket, which, with the help of 30 kg of fuel, could carry 30 kg of explosives over a distance of up to 80 km. For January 1939, these are more than excellent indicators.

And since that time, everything has been going quite well with our missiles; the groundwork was done right by our great ancestors.

And from 1939 to the present, cruise missiles have traveled a decent evolutionary path of development, becoming at the end of the last century simply the personification of the nuclear Apocalypse.

But technical progress has not stood still, and today cruise missiles (not all) no longer occupy first places in the ratings. Why? There are a lot of reasons.

To begin with, you need to generally look at the cruise missile and its advantages and disadvantages; a lot becomes clear right away.

Advantages

1. The main advantage of the missile launcher is the ability to set an arbitrary missile course, including a winding trajectory, both horizontally and vertically, which creates difficulties for the enemy’s missile defense system.

2. Low altitude. Today, missile launchers can move at breathtaking altitudes of 10 meters, and even bend around the terrain, which makes it difficult for missiles to be detected by radar. But: it makes it difficult, but does not completely hide missiles from the radar. This will need to be explained later.

3. Modern missile defense systems have become precision weapons. Digital maps in the brains of control computers and navigation using satellite signals make it possible to hit targets very accurately indeed.

4. Unmanned, which affects the size, which leads to a decrease in visibility.

5. One-time use makes it possible not to impose strict requirements on the resource of all systems, from the engine to the control units.

Disadvantages

1. The main disadvantage of modern missile launchers is their frankly low speeds. In general, the vast majority of missile launchers fly at subsonic speeds, which greatly facilitates their detection and destruction.

2. A cruise missile is a very expensive weapon (see point 3 above) compared to other means of destruction.

3. Low power of a non-nuclear charge.

And another huge drawback of cruise missiles is the increased capabilities of modern air defense systems. And if at the end of the last century maneuvering at low altitude caused almost panic fear among those to whom cruise missiles were flying, today this is a completely everyday matter.


Yes, when CDs appeared in regular use, it was very difficult to fight them. The Kub air defense system, which was in service with many countries around the world, was quite good in terms of working against aircraft, but against the Kyrgyz Republic it was completely untenable. Too small targets with too much speed at very low altitude.

Everything changed in one moment when the Buk appeared. And similar complexes began to appear in other countries. And if the “Buk-M1” and “Buk-M2” still somehow respected cruise missiles and other stealth and high-speed targets, then the “Buk-M3” looks like a kind of lawless man, without the slightest respect for honored comrades and gentlemen.


Air targets flying at speeds of up to 3 km/s at ranges from 2,5 to 70 km and altitudes from 5 m to 35 km - the Buk is indeed a very serious complex. Absolutely leveling the ability of the Kyrgyz Republic to fly at low altitudes due to its radar. If you look at the photos of old air defense systems, it is clear that their radars did not even work towards the horizon, but from the bottom up. Well, of course, if you don’t take the radar to some hill, where, however, it itself would be a good target.

However, modern anti-radar missiles also do not need to peer into the landscape, looking for a target. They follow the radar signal.

But returning to the same Buk, it is worth noting a very interesting approach to increasing the radar viewing angle and range. Today there is no need to look for a hill and drag a car with a radar there. Simply raise the emitters and antennas to the required height.


But besides the Buk, there is a fairly decent number of air defense systems from the S-300 to NASAMS. And they are all so... punchy.

What about our missiles? Yes, everything is much better than the Americans. Sometimes you even wonder what they are counting on.

After all, if you don’t take into account all the rarities from the last century that are still lying around in their warehouses, then everything doesn’t look so luxurious.

RGM / UGM-109E Tactical Tomahawk



The old and bad "Axe", which has been the basis of US naval strike power since 1983. It flies at least 1600 km, according to some sources up to 2400 km at a speed of up to 880 km/h. Carries a warhead weighing 340 kg of either a penetrating type or a high-explosive fragmentation type.

AGM-158B JASSM-ER



The main air-launched weapon. The AGM-158B JASSM entered service in 1986, but the AGM-158B JASSM-ER entered service in 2010. Absolutely all US strike aircraft, from the F-16C/D to the B-52, can carry the missile. The exception is this one, which is the F-22 Raptor. But he’s not going there at all, not with a cruise missile. The AGM-158B JASSM-ER flies 980 km at a speed of up to 1 km/h and carries a warhead weighing 000 kg, of which 450 kg is explosive.

AGM/RGM/UGM-84 "Harpoon"



But this is already a classic of the anti-ship missile genre. It flies at a range of up to 280 km at a speed of up to 1 km/h.

If you look at the performance characteristics, then American cruise missiles are nothing special. Of course, they are very accurate, as for reliability - it’s debatable, in Syria they still sell the fragments of “Axes” for metal, but the main thing is that they were all produced in such series (from 2 pieces) that they can be launched, as in Yugoslavia, if necessary, in huge flocks, hoping that at least something will fly to the right place.

Let's look at the allies?

Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG, British/French product



It has already been tested in air defense conditions and has shown itself to be quite good in terms of accuracy and at the same time not very good in terms of interception. It flies at a speed of about 1000 km/h over a distance of up to 550 km and carries a warhead weighing 450 kg.

TAURUS KEPD 350/150. Germany



We have already written about this missile; it is a very serious weapon. And I’m even glad that the Germans did not give these missiles to Kyiv; checking interception would not be a very pleasant thing. It flies at a speed of about 1000 km/h over a distance of 500 km. The warhead weighs 481 kg tandem, 45 kg shaped charge and 56 kg high explosive in the case of a standard concrete-piercing one. There is a cassette warhead.

What do you see right away? The main weak point of these missiles is speed. 800-1000 km/h is not relevant today. This is not enough to avoid being intercepted by modern air defense and missile defense missiles. And as the SVO again showed, aircraft with conventional air-to-air missiles are simply excellent at intercepting cruise missiles.


Of course, work on promising supersonic and hypersonic systems is being carried out both in the USA and in Germany, and sooner or later something will come of them. But it's a matter of time.

What do we have?

With us everything is much more interesting and it is simply necessary to give a picture, because there is something to compare. And we will not start in chronological order, then it will become clear why.

X-101



There is nothing like this in the West even close. Flies 5 km at a speed of 500 km/h. A warhead weighing 1 kg may or may not be high-explosive. Then it's called X-000. The missile is quite accurate, CEP is 400-102 meters. It can change the target already in flight and in general, this is the longest-range modern Russian cruise missile. At least until there is open data on X-BD.

X-55/X-555



The X-55 is the previous generation of the KR, but is still in service and is quite used. It flies to a range of 2500 km (3500 for the X-55SM) at a speed of 800 km/h. A warhead weighing 410 kg allows the use of special charges.

X-555 – modernization. The rocket became longer and thicker, the flight range dropped to 2 km, and the speed remained around 000 km/h. The missile is equipped with all modern guidance systems, which makes it a very dangerous weapon.

3M-14 "Caliber"



Everything is very contradictory with the data, usually data from export modifications is given, so let’s note the speed is up to 1 km/h, the range according to politicians is up to 000 km, the weight of the warhead is 1400 kg.

X-22 "Storm"



A monster from the Soviet past, officially in service since 1971. The accuracy of this missile is a very, very relative matter, but other parameters (besides its enormous size) are awe-inspiring: a flight range of up to 600 km at a speed of 5600 km/h. It is quite a bit short of the class of hypersonic missiles. A warhead weighing 1000 kg contains 630 kg of explosives.

X-32



Global modernization of the X-32, the weight of the warhead has been reduced, the fuel supply has been increased and a more modern, economical engine. As a result, the flight range is up to 1000 km at a speed of up to 5400 km/h. A new guidance system that allows you to hit the target, not the target area.

3M55 "Onyx"



It differs slightly in aviation and ship versions, but the essence is the same: flight range up to 800 km at speeds up to 3000 km/h. Warhead weighing 300 kg.

Here is a short list of our cruise missiles. The assortment, as they say, must inspire respect. But now we will take and divide these missiles into two groups. The first is subsonic, the second is supersonic.

If you take the reports of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in which they talk about their victories, and divide them by 6, then you can get a certain amount of more or less direct and undistorted information. From this information we can conclude that the Western air defense systems that the Armed Forces of Ukraine received from NATO are coping with the task of intercepting cruise missiles. But with a caveat: with the interception of subsonic missiles. We will simply ignore the tales of intercepting Iskanders and Kinzhals, but there is more than enough objective evidence of the destruction of subsonic cruise missiles. So we can say that for a modern air defense system like the Patriot or NASAMS, intercepting a subsonic missile is a normal process.


But as for the Oniks and other supersonic brigades, high-ranking Ukrainian military officials themselves have repeatedly said that they are not able to intercept such missiles.

It’s a paradox, but the slanting monster X-22, 50 years after its appearance, is an unsolvable problem for modern air defense systems! Of course, in fact, the value of this missile is approaching zero, but we have supersonic missiles in our arsenal that are capable of hitting a target, and not flying into the target area and destroying something there.

Now it becomes clear what we are talking about. Subsonic cruise missiles are not weapons that will work effectively in a modern conflict.

If the parties have decent air defense.

If not, then, of course, there are no options; you can hammer the enemy until there is a result.


But if he has something to answer... That’s it, the value of a cruise missile is reduced to the level drone-shaheda. But here it is worth remembering that the cost of a cruise missile cannot be compared with drone, carrying up to 10 kg of explosives.

What is good about the X-101 type rocket? The fact that, being released somewhere in a quiet corner of our planet, outside the radar coverage zones, and even better - outside the visibility zone of the heat signature from satellites, it will trundle at a speed of 800 km/h until it flies up to where its target is located . It may be discovered, or it may not. In any case, the X-101, launched somewhere in the Novaya Zemlya region, has a chance of arriving at the target area, and they are unspeakably greater than that of the same missile fired from the Crimea region into Ukraine.

This is a strategic missile launched according to the first scenario. The second is tactical. And today, subsonic missiles are becoming worse and worse suited to the role of a tactical missile, since they have more and more deadly enemies, from aircraft to MANPADS. Even MANPADS have become so advanced that they can successfully work against cruise missiles flying at low altitude. At least the Russian “Igla” does this easily.

As for air-to-air missiles flying at a speed of 4-5M and easily catching up with any subsonic missile and hitting the engine - everything is simple here.


Tomorrow, subsonic cruise missiles will simply not be needed in any theater of military operations, except for the defeat of some gangs like ISIS. And the question arises of what should replace them.

Naturally, hypersound is very fashionable today. Everyone is developing it, and doing it right. Although, in fact, any tactical ballistic missile is already hypersonic, since its warhead falls to the ground at hypersonic speed. But hypersonic missiles are truly a weapon of the future; they still need to be brought up to standard not so much in quality as in price, since the materials are still a bit expensive.

But hypersound is already a thing, and sooner or later, these missiles will become something quite ordinary. But this will not happen today or even tomorrow, no matter what the manufacturers of these weapons say.

A tactical supersonic cruise missile capable of overcoming any air defense system is the task of today. And we, unlike the West, glory to the greatest engineers of the past, Korolev, Glushko, Ryazansky, Keldysh, Pilyugin, Barmin, have something to rely on in this regard. X-32 and Onyxes are a difficult task to solve for any anti-aircraft missile system, no matter where it was developed. And this must be used, multiplying the benefits.

Yes, supersonic missiles are not able to cross the ocean and attack targets in the United States. But they can easily be brought closer by submarine and thus attacked. This is a very real option.

There is even an economic aspect here, and everyone solves it in their own way. The Americans, for example, converted their Ohio-class submarines for the Kyrgyz Republic, and instead of 24 Tridents, each boat began to take 154 Tomahawks. 22 out of 24 missile silos were converted to accommodate 7 Tomahawks each. Serious salvo, right?

What do we have? Our Project 949AM Antey boats carry 72 cruise missiles. "Yasen-M" - 32 missiles. A little? And here the question of reachability comes into its own. 154 "Tomahawk" is a lot. It’s problematic to reflect such a cloud, but... “Axes” can be shot down with many of the air defense systems we have, easily and naturally.

How well the same Israeli “Iron Dome” in service in the United States will repel the blow of the “Onyx” is a question. “Buki”, “Torah”, S-300 – these will cope with “Tomahawks”, the only question is where such a blow will be delivered. Yes, we also have planes. But how they will intercept missiles that today are not intercepted by American and European air defense systems in principle is a reason to think.

Thus, subsonic cruise missiles, as well as their delivery vehicle in the form of a bomber, which has finally lost the ability to covertly enter a strike position, are the weapons of yesterday, for which, if there is a niche left in the future, it will be a very insignificant one.

The future of military operations for developed countries will be associated with the use of supersonic tactical cruise missiles, and in the future - hypersonic ones. And this was perfectly demonstrated by the SVO, in which the so ardently praised “Calibers” did not show anything special, but the “Onyxes” became a surprise for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and a very unpleasant surprise.

However, military departments may have other considerations in this regard.
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  2. Maxim G
    Maxim G 8 October 2023 05: 35
    +12
    Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG, British/French product



    Already tested in the conditions of SVO and shown to be quite good in terms of accuracy and at the same time not very good in terms of interceptibility. It flies at a speed of about 1000 km/h over a distance of up to 550 km and carries a warhead weighing 450 kg.

    TAURUS KEPD 350/150. Germany



    We have already written about this missile; it is a very serious weapon. And I’m even glad that the Germans did not give these missiles to Kyiv; checking interception would not be a very pleasant thing. It flies at a speed of about 1000 km/h over a distance of 500 km. The warhead weighs 481 kg tandem, 45 kg shaped charge and 56 kg high explosive in the case of a standard concrete-piercing one. There is a cassette warhead.

    What do you see right away? The main weak point of these missiles is speed. 800-1000 km/h is not relevant today. This is not enough to avoid being intercepted by modern air defense and missile defense missiles. And as the SVO again showed, aircraft with conventional air-to-air missiles are simply excellent at intercepting cruise missiles.


    Another masterpiece from Skomorokhov.
    1. novel66
      novel66 8 October 2023 07: 07
      +8
      oblique monster X-22 later

      But don’t talk about the rocket on which I rode up and down for two years
    2. ramzay21
      ramzay21 8 October 2023 07: 38
      +17
      The author is in his repertoire. The problem is not at all with cruise missiles, but with the ability and ability to use them competently. But we have big problems with this due to the complete lack of training of our leadership.
      And the fact that our naval commanders hastily evacuated combat-ready ships from Sevastopol, where there are Buks and S-300s and S-400s and Tors and Pantsirs because of several Su-24Ms capable of carrying cruise missiles, indicates that in capable hands cruise missiles are formidable weapon.
      A massive strike by cruise missiles with well-laid missile flight routes in places where there is no enemy air defense will not be repulsed by any air defense. But for this, in addition to cruise missiles, we need a well-functioning reconnaissance and target designation system, competent military leadership, as well as the country’s leadership capable of setting adequate goals.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 8 October 2023 09: 56
        +7
        Look what it turns out. Everything is lost. And the author did not like the Caliber missiles praised by the Kremlin propaganda, and our planes were outdated, and our machine guns, and even ships, a separate issue - gather everyone involved in the design in a heap and shoot. In a word, as they say, no matter what he does, he does everything wrong. But I’m offended why the author has not yet debunked the technique for my VUS. How cool it would be to criticize the ARS 14D filling station, and gas masks in general!!!! But apparently they didn’t get around to it. I live in hope.
      2. bayard
        bayard 9 October 2023 01: 44
        +3
        Quote: ramzay21
        The author in his repertoire.

        Yes And “girl designers” too - it was necessary to put a photo of X-101 to illustrate the X-555, and immediately below that another photo of the same CD, but with the correct signature... And this is already a tradition... UNCORRECTABLE ... The competence of the military site is falling deeper and deeper... And this is no longer surprising.
        Times like these. request
        There are also plenty of pearls in the text, not to mention the very message of the article. This is necessary lol bury subsonic missile launchers as unpromising. That’s why all the countries in the world that are capable of this are becoming sophisticated in their production and increasing their quantities.
        In war, every goal and task must have its own tool. It was a sin that I thought that the article would be about the increased role of ASAP at the tactical and operational-tactical level. The main “disadvantage” of the Kyrgyz Republic at the tactical and operational-tactical level is their PRICE. Because you need a LOT of such ammunition and it shouldn’t be a shame to use them en masse. Because without massive use, any weapon will only cause inconvenience and anxiety. Therefore, the most important task of the Defense Ministry is to provide the Army with a sufficient and exhaustive quantity of such ammunition. Because here, as with shells, if there is a shortage of shells, there can be no talk of any offensive operations. And we’ve already seen plenty of “meat assaults” on both sides (ours all summer last year, Bandera’s all this year).
        The role of the Kyrgyz Republic has only grown in recent years, more and more countries are acquiring their own, and more and more attention is being paid to their inconspicuousness. And to say that modern air defense systems are “easy and relaxed” ... the author should consult with air defense specialists - at what range is any of the air defense systems capable of detecting and intercepting missiles in WWI. And at what distance should these air defense systems be placed between each other... and how many of them are needed to cover a front of 1000 km. , and even with the condition of echeloning. And after that, let him look carefully at our entire border with NATO with all its curvature, geography, landscape and elevation changes... calculate how many radars and air defense systems are needed to cover all this (and this is only a small part of our borders), and then calculate HOW MUCH it will cost . And not only the purchase, but also the maintenance of such a fleet of ground-based air defense systems.
        And then maybe the words of a professional air defense specialist that without airborne AWACS and fighter aircraft in cooperation, we cannot solve the issue of providing air defense at low altitudes. No.
        And until the issue of a sufficient fleet of aircraft (and maybe airships) of AWACS is resolved, the role of missile cruise missiles in the arsenals of our opponents will increase or at least remain at a significant level.
        hi
        1. ramzay21
          ramzay21 9 October 2023 21: 05
          -1
          The role of the Kyrgyz Republic has only grown in recent years, more and more countries are acquiring their own, and more and more attention is being paid to their inconspicuousness. And to say that modern air defense systems are “easy and relaxed” ... the author should consult with air defense specialists - at what range is any of the air defense systems capable of detecting and intercepting missiles in WWI. And at what distance should these air defense systems be placed between each other... and how many of them are needed to cover a front of 1000 km. , and even with the condition of echeloning.

          That's what I'm talking about. Cruise missiles just need to be developed and made more and more stealthy and cheaper and used wisely, and then cruise missiles will bring maximum benefit. And no air defense is yet able to repel a well-made salvo from hundreds of the same Calibers or Axes.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 8 October 2023 07: 39
      +11
      Roman, your reasoning, as well as your knowledge about this or that weapon, is superficial, and you reason as if you were a weapon designer yourself! Many cruise missiles can create their electronic doubles in flight, which makes it difficult to find and destroy real missiles; they have enough speed to complete those tasks for which they were created. You must understand that a list of missiles and their approximate characteristics does not make you an expert in this field! The war in Donbass showed the complete correctness of the design idea when creating such weapons. We strike with our missiles, we fight with those missiles that fly towards our lands. And the thought that this is a useless, outdated weapon in this context only causes bewilderment.
      1. Diger
        Diger 8 October 2023 12: 31
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        Roman, your reasoning, as well as your knowledge about this or that weapon, is superficial, and you reason as if you were a weapon designer yourself! Many cruise missiles can create their electronic doubles in flight, which makes it difficult to find and defeat real missiles

        I agree with “Roman Superficial,” but can you be more specific about “electronic doubles” and “many CDs can”?
        -examples of "many"
        -how do they create (physically) these “electronic duplicates”?
        1. bayard
          bayard 9 October 2023 01: 55
          0
          Quote from Digger
          -how do they create (physically) these “electronic duplicates”?

          Apparently we are talking about setting up active simulating interference. These have been known and used for a long time; for some time now, producers of such jammers have been installing such jammers on the Kyrgyz Republic. As far as I know, the X-101\102 has such equipment.
          1. tsvetahaki
            tsvetahaki 9 October 2023 02: 51
            0
            Quote: bayard
            Quote from Digger
            -how do they create (physically) these “electronic duplicates”?

            Apparently we are talking about setting up active simulating interference. These have been known and used for a long time; for some time now, producers of such jammers have been installing such jammers on the Kyrgyz Republic. As far as I know, the X-101\102 has such equipment.

            If you don’t kick the author for mistakes, the question is not that
            cruise missiles can create their electronic doubles in flight, which makes it difficult to find and destroy real missiles; they have enough speed to perform the tasks for which they were created.

            but how effective it all is - given the numerous photographs of downed missiles.
            The war in Donbass showed the complete correctness of the design ideas when creating such weapons.

            Considering the lack of real statistics, this is on the conscience of the commentator.
            Whether the SVO showed the correctness or incorrectness of the design idea depends on the real cost/benefit, and this is not known.
            Well, out of solidarity with our fighters, you can, of course, shout “Hurray”!
            1. bayard
              bayard 9 October 2023 05: 42
              +1
              Quote from tsvetahaki
              How effective is all this - given the numerous photographs of downed missiles.

              The effectiveness of missile launchers is assessed not only and not so much by the number of downed missiles, but by the number of targets they hit. And there are a great many of them (hit targets). And the damage from such defeats is very great. But the war has been going on for a long time and with such a massive use of the missile defense, in the conditions of standing fronts, talking about reliable statistics... is problematic.
              A subsonic missile cruise missile with a PMV flight profile that follows the terrain, was initially designed not as an indestructible wunderwaffe, but as a means of hitting a specific type of target with a given probability of air defense breakthrough. Their task is to bypass the affected areas of air defense systems, and when planning a strike on targets, as a rule, they initially calculate that not all of them will reach, so they reserve two missiles for each target. With the construction of alternative routes.
              It's just ammunition - a tool of war. They are very accurate, have powerful warheads and, with a well-planned route and a combined raid by diverse means, are capable of breaking through the most powerful air defense. As in Kyiv for example.
              Snipers have a saying: “To learn to shoot, you have to SHOOT.” Everyone learns in war.
    4. knn54
      knn54 8 October 2023 20: 54
      0
      We wait:
      In connection with the advent of the Kornet ATGM, NLAW ATGM, etc., tanks have outlived their usefulness.
    5. not main
      not main 9 October 2023 23: 51
      0
      Quote: Maxim G
      Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG, British/French product



      Already tested in the conditions of SVO and shown to be quite good in terms of accuracy and at the same time not very good in terms of interceptibility. It flies at a speed of about 1000 km/h over a distance of up to 550 km and carries a warhead weighing 450 kg.

      TAURUS KEPD 350/150. Germany



      We have already written about this missile; it is a very serious weapon. And I’m even glad that the Germans did not give these missiles to Kyiv; checking interception would not be a very pleasant thing. It flies at a speed of about 1000 km/h over a distance of 500 km. The warhead weighs 481 kg tandem, 45 kg shaped charge and 56 kg high explosive in the case of a standard concrete-piercing one. There is a cassette warhead.

      What do you see right away? The main weak point of these missiles is speed. 800-1000 km/h is not relevant today. This is not enough to avoid being intercepted by modern air defense and missile defense missiles. And as the SVO again showed, aircraft with conventional air-to-air missiles are simply excellent at intercepting cruise missiles.


      Another masterpiece from Skomorokhov.

      It’s interesting to me that for a similar comment about three months ago they threw down minuses... the bag is not enough. Honestly, reading the article, you recognize Skomorokhov from the third paragraph.
  3. Yaroslav Tekkel
    Yaroslav Tekkel 8 October 2023 05: 43
    +17
    It is very convenient to ignore reality. Meanwhile, Stormoten/Scalp cruise missiles (they are called Franco-British or even simply British, although in fact it is a completely French project) have shown that they can hit key targets in the most protected air defense (after Moscow) region of Russia. With a short break, warships in repair docks, fleet headquarters and S-400 air defense systems (there was an aphorism in ancient Rome: “Who will guard the guards?”). Of course, the answer to this will be that the ships were old and unnecessary, and they suffered only a little, there was only one cleaning lady left at the headquarters, and they didn’t write about the air defense system at all in the news, which means it didn’t exist. Nevertheless, the fact is clear: three times in a row we got where we wanted to go. Yes, the Ministry of Defense reported that they shot down most of the missiles. But after it announced that one missile hit the headquarters, and a day later they posted a video showing at least a second hit, it’s a personal matter for everyone to believe the Defense Ministry. Let me just say that we do not have reliable data on the percentage of missiles shot down.

    Meanwhile, “Scalp” is a damn unpleasant thing. It flies very low and, in addition, has reduced radio signature. According to open sources, for the S-400 (and, I’m sure, its Western analogues) on standard European terrain, the detection range does not exceed 18 km. The Crimean experience suggests that these numbers are not exaggerated. That is, under optimal conditions, air defense missile systems crews have 65 seconds to do everything about everything. At the same time, the limited channel capacity of the complex and the number of missiles in the launcher make it possible, even under ideal conditions, to intercept a strictly defined number of missiles. That is, the air defense system can be guaranteed to be overloaded. And the small detection range does not allow creating a continuous field of protection (as would be the case if the missiles were flying at high altitude). For example, there are 10 SAMP-T air defense systems throughout France, and with a detection range of 18 km they can cover a front of 360 km (in reality, of course, less). This is not enough even to protect the eastern border. The Russian Federation has many more complexes (seven dozen S-400s alone), but our open spaces are not French.

    The economy is also a problem. Shooting down "Scalps" with S-400, Patriot or SAMP-T missiles is extremely expensive. The cost of an anti-aircraft missile is comparable to the cost of a cruise missile. Moreover, the standard practice for the S-300 and S-400 is to fire two missiles at one target. This, of course, cannot be compared with the Shaheed missiles, the cost of which is an order of magnitude lower than the cost of even the simplest anti-aircraft missile, but it still makes the use of missiles an economic win-win. Even if one out of a hundred missiles hits the target, the attacker will spend a hundred million on launches, and the defender will spend the same hundred million on interception and another two hundred million in losses from one missile that breaks through. Profitable business!

    The big disadvantage of the Scalp is the need for air launch. Ukraine has only about a dozen Su-24s upgraded for this purpose, which limits the possibility of using missiles in large waves. But this is a problem for Ukraine. The French themselves made a ship version with vertical launch and a range of 1600 km. During their first combat use in Syria, these missiles failed epically because the software incorrectly accounted for altitude above sea level. However, don't hope that this bug hasn't been fixed. And, what’s most unpleasant, this thing not only flies very far, but with the slightest modernization it can be launched from ground-based carriers. There are rumors that it has already been adapted for launch from the liberated Ukrainian Tochka-U launchers and is only awaiting a political decision.


    Actually, for the above reasons, the aggressive NATO bloc has always considered aviation to be the main means of combating the Kyrgyz Republic. Either the interceptor itself, or the AWACS aircraft transmitting target designation to it, must regularly hover in the air and see subtle targets practically against the background of the ground at a distance much greater than 18 km. Here we have two problems: we can’t hang around that long, and we can’t detect and transmit so well.
    1. Tamir
      Tamir 8 October 2023 07: 51
      +6
      Which destroyed S-400 air defense system are you writing about? If about Cape Tarkankhut, was there an S-300 there, or do you know of any other cases?
    2. Tamir
      Tamir 8 October 2023 08: 26
      +3
      And yes, it is far from a fact that the S-300 launcher was hit by a “French cruise missile.” As Tov writes. Fisherman:
      Taking into account the activity of Ukrainian boats, which even approached 30 km, it is quite possible that a ship-based version of the Brimstone II high-precision missile was used in the attack. Its range makes it possible to hit from such a distance, and the power of the warhead is relatively small.
    3. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 8 October 2023 13: 49
      0
      In my opinion, the s300/400 should not work according to the CR. maybe, of course, but that’s not his goal. like a cannon hitting sparrows. shells, tori, they should work according to the Kyrgyz Republic.
    4. alexoff
      alexoff 8 October 2023 14: 49
      0
      In Crimea, as I understand from satellite images, no covering air defense systems were left. No shells or tori, only C300/400 with very limited ammunition. Apparently they were all transferred to the front. But they know how to work on target designation of large radars and their ammunition cannot be depleted so easily. So, in my opinion, there are 70% organizational reasons here. Plus, there are no GPS jammers that bourgeois missiles use, which is completely beyond the bounds.
  4. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 8 October 2023 05: 59
    +22
    What is it? First, helicopters became obsolete, then planes, then there were tanks, now cruise missiles, but what is not obsolete? Can we immediately return to the stone ax with a club? And in my opinion there was also something about a machine gun, it’s also outdated, something needs to be replaced. Genre crisis?
    1. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 8 October 2023 13: 50
      0
      the plaster is removed, the client leaves. everything is gone boss!
      PS. Katz offers to surrender!
  5. U-58
    U-58 8 October 2023 06: 02
    +3
    If you follow the logic, then hypersonic missiles will quickly become obsolete. And in ten years, anti-missile defenses will completely eliminate the threat of cruise missile attacks.
    That is, the era of cruise missiles will end and in their current form they will disappear as such. What will replace them?
    Now it’s time to engage in fantasy.
    Combat space stations for direct support of troops. Combat space platforms for anti-satellite defense. Maneuverable orbital hunters with laser anti-satellite weapons.
    Neutron warheads of missiles for clearing entire areas of outer space from enemy defenses and attacks....
    1. alexoff
      alexoff 8 October 2023 14: 52
      +1
      Space is transparent, it’s difficult to make maneuvers there, lasers will knock everything off the ground. So it will also become outdated quickly. You can throw boulders from the moon, you won’t be able to fight off something like that.
    2. bayard
      bayard 9 October 2023 02: 10
      0
      Quote: U-58
      If you follow the logic, then hypersonic missiles will quickly become obsolete. And in ten years, anti-missile defenses will completely eliminate the threat of cruise missile attacks.
      That is, the era of cruise missiles will end and in their current form they will disappear as such.

      Khrushchev said about the same thing about artillery and... aviation.
      Quote: U-58
      What will replace them?
      Now it’s time to engage in fantasy.
      Combat space stations for direct support of troops. Combat space platforms for anti-satellite defense. Maneuverable orbital hunters with laser anti-satellite weapons.
      Neutron warheads of missiles for clearing entire areas of outer space from enemy defenses and attacks....

      Well, Roscosmos definitely won’t let you down... The nuclear tug is already ready, all that remains is to finish the Death Star.
  6. lukash66
    lukash66 8 October 2023 06: 23
    +9
    The novel is in its repertoire, now also in the Kyrgyz Republic. That is, in general, according to the Roman, spears, slings and bows remain. Occasionally, a string of squeaks may shoot and immediately disappear, the author BURNS. This is not a novel, this is some kind of storehouse of military thought. Why is it still at the Academy named after. Frunze doesn't teach? And most importantly, all the publications are early in the morning, a person does not sleep at night, thinking. And then he dumps... his thoughts on our heads. Immediately put your paws up and come out and line up. The next deep thought will be that in general the army, as such, is also FSE. So, they distributed karamultuks to the civilian population, and normal ones. The thread will just dissolve. Without him, we are all KIRDIK)))) . Uv. Roman, could you share where such deep knowledge comes from? Where did you study, where did you serve, what military educational institutions did you graduate from? Well, your knowledge is just off the charts, you know everything, from the female genital organ to space.))))
    1. Passing
      Passing 8 October 2023 10: 58
      +5
      Instead of convincingly analyzing/exposing the theses put forward by the author, you are analyzing/exposing the author himself. On the one hand, who am I to tell you what to write in posts, on the other hand, we don’t seem to have a yellow resource, where this is the whole point, and many here have the expectation of a meaningful and informative discussion of the topic raised in the comments, and empty verbose posts cause a feeling of annoyance, for ten seconds wasted aimlessly.
  7. _6
    _6 8 October 2023 06: 40
    -1
    As far as I know, Caliber flies at subsonic speed only on the cruising stage, in the absence of air defense systems. At the final stage, it switches to supersonic and quite successfully overcomes air defense.
    1. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 8 October 2023 06: 45
      0
      It depends on how supersonic it is. Enemies slander that Caliber flies too high and glows too much.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 October 2023 07: 33
      +3
      There's no such thing. More precisely, there is, but only in the anti-ship missile version and with range restrictions of less than 300 km
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 8 October 2023 08: 07
      +2
      Quote: _6
      The caliber flies at subsonic speed only during the cruising phase, in the absence of air defense systems. At the final stage, it switches to supersonic and quite successfully overcomes air defense.

      “Don’t read Soviet newspapers during lunch!”... “Caliber” “Caliber” is different, and here it is important not to confuse “a fork with a bottle”! It became known about the supersonic "Caliber" when 2 varieties of one product were shown to the world! And according to the international agreement, these were tactical (or rather, anti-ship...) missile defenses with a range of up to 300 km! The supersonic version of the anti-ship "Caliber" switched to "supersonic" at a range of 20 km from the target with the help of an additional engine (solid propellant rocket engine)... But because of this, the solid propellant rocket motor of the warhead decreased from 400 kg to 200 kg...
    4. Diger
      Diger 8 October 2023 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: _6
      As far as I know, Caliber flies at subsonic speed only on the cruising stage, in the absence of air defense systems. At the final stage, it switches to supersonic and quite successfully overcomes air defense.

      belay
      1. "Caliber" is actually a complex 3K-14 / S-14 "Caliber-PL" / "Caliber-NK", it does not fly anywhere
      2. KR 3M-14 physically cannot “go supersonic” during any part of the flight
      3. Anti-ship missiles 3M-54 can. But they are not fired at Ukraine (220 km), since it is anti-ship (Ukraine does not have a high seas fleet), and up to 2.9M (700 m/s) in the final section of 20 km
      1. shikin
        shikin 8 October 2023 17: 02
        0
        As far as I understand, data on export versions of Caliber is provided everywhere. The range of the 3M-54E and 3M-14E is the same - 300 km, with the former going supersonic in front of the target and having a smaller warhead. So we probably don’t know everything about the real characteristics of the 3M-14 used.
        1. Diger
          Diger 8 October 2023 20: 26
          0
          Quote from shikin
          So we probably don’t know everything about the real characteristics of the 3M-14 used.

          ZM-14 cannot go supersonic in principle
  8. glock-17
    glock-17 8 October 2023 06: 46
    +6
    Each type of weapon has its own niche and tactics of use. Cruise missiles are no exception. How long have they buried the artillery, and it still shows itself. If we talk only about the shortcomings of weapons, then it’s high time to sell everything for scrap.
  9. _6
    _6 8 October 2023 06: 46
    +13
    This entire long article can be fit into one paragraph: subsonic missile launchers are irrelevant and have been easily lost since Soviet times. Supersonic, more or less. Hypersound is beyond competition. The future belongs to hypersound and to Shaheds, which, when used in hundreds and thousands, will break through any air defense. That's all, you don't have to read the article, because... there's nothing new there.
    1. Yaroslav Tekkel
      Yaroslav Tekkel 8 October 2023 07: 00
      +2
      French-made subsonic missiles (already considered obsolete there) can not only take out targets with the highest air defense cover, but also take out this air defense itself. Even when used in very limited quantities. And I’m not talking Russophobically now, I’m almost sure that American, Chinese, and French complexes would not have been able to cope with such an attack.
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    2. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 8 October 2023 13: 53
      0
      tell me how you can fit this in your head at the same time
      Quote: _6
      subsonic missile launchers are irrelevant and easily go astray since Soviet times
      and it
      Quote: _6
      The future belongs to the Shaheds
      1. _6
        _6 8 October 2023 17: 59
        0
        Quote: DrVintorez
        tell me how you can fit this in your head at the same time
        Quote: _6
        subsonic missile launchers are irrelevant and easily go astray since Soviet times
        and it
        Quote: _6
        The future belongs to the Shaheds

        See the answer in Ukraine: Geraniums are easily shot down by modern air defenses, but quantity turns into quality - a significant part reaches the target. The price of the issue allows them to be produced en masse, unlike cruise missiles, which cannot be launched in hundreds.
        1. _6
          _6 8 October 2023 18: 48
          0
          I had an invention on this topic, in 2014 I was convinced that the president was not a traitor and sent this development to him, even some kind of reply from the relevant department came. But that's all. In our country it is not enough to come up with something good, you have to push it through, prove it, sometimes at the cost of your own life, like Mikhail Koshkin. I'm not ready for this yet. Well, at least the enemy didn’t get this project. And that's good.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 October 2023 11: 17
        0
        Quote: DrVintorez
        tell me how you can fit this in your head at the same time
        Quote: _6
        subsonic missile launchers are irrelevant and easily go astray since Soviet times
        and it
        Quote: _6
        The future belongs to the Shaheds

        It's simple: you need to use either heavy and expensive supersonic missiles that can break through air defenses and reach the target. Or disposable UAVs, which, due to their low cost, can be mass-produced due to quantity, will simply overload the air defense system.
        Subsonic missiles can no longer penetrate air defense due to speed, and are too expensive for mass launches.
  10. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 8 October 2023 06: 50
    +4
    Unfortunately, death rays have not yet been invented; We will fight with what we have.
  11. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 8 October 2023 07: 08
    +4
    Novel! On the basis of which the following conclusion was made:
    Tomorrow, subsonic cruise missiles will simply not be needed in any theater of military operations, except for the defeat of some gangs like ISIS. And the question arises of what should replace them.

    It is unlikely that subsonic missiles will cease to be in demand. Minimizing EPI, using new materials for the body, dimensions and... performing tasks that are beyond the capabilities of attack drones. In addition, tomorrow - the time for mass hypersound has not yet arrived...
    1. alexoff
      alexoff 8 October 2023 14: 56
      0
      The X50 also has a towed decoy; electronic warfare has been installed on missiles for a long time
  12. Eug
    Eug 8 October 2023 07: 21
    +2
    The main advantage of subsonic missiles is MASSIVENESS, especially in a “set” with decoys. So far, Ukraine has not used them en masse, and even then, according to media reports, in some situations there was a “oversaturation” of air defense. The law “the effectiveness of use is largely determined by the massing of forces and means” has not been repealed. Back in 1987, the head of the group talked about the assignment of 3 (!) MRA regiments to 1 (!) AUG...
    1. Alemax
      Alemax 8 October 2023 11: 18
      0
      This is not even enough. In order to break through the air defense of an AUG, you need a really massive salvo. And not only aviation.
  13. Sergey250455
    Sergey250455 8 October 2023 07: 33
    +6
    Airplanes are in the firebox, tanks are in the firebox, and now it’s the turn of cruise missiles. The author needs to treat his head
    1. U-58
      U-58 8 October 2023 07: 36
      +4
      He's also talking about tanks
      and other armored vehicles did not illuminate the problem.
      According to his logic, everything is generally bad there...
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 8 October 2023 17: 16
      +1
      Quote: Sergey250455
      Now it’s the turn of cruise missiles. The author needs to treat his head

      The author expresses his opinion, I express mine, and you express yours. Everyone has the right to have their own opinion and defend it, but in a reasoned manner, preferably without insults or personalization. This is the first thing.
      Secondly, since I’m getting into it, let me express a couple of thoughts about Roman’s article.
      1. This is a controversial, not unambiguous article, but still it’s better than repeating the SVO all the time and branding (deservedly!) the scoundrels of the Ukrainian-Nazis.
      2. On missile topics:
      - the main value of the missile launcher is not in its performance characteristics, but in the fact that it saves the lives of military personnel who are tasked with destroying an important target over the horizon. Pilots do not need to enter the air defense zone or break through enemy air barriers. (IMHO);
      - the main disadvantage of CRBDs is not their low speed, but the presence of unmasking factors: visual, radar, IR/UV detection. And the smaller the parasitic physical fields of this class of aircraft are, the more difficult it will be to fight them;
      - yes, weapons are expensive. So they don’t need to shoot at a “cheap” target: destroy warehouses for power supplies, radio equipment, fuel and lubricants, bridges, control points, airfields with aircraft in parking lots, etc.
      - complaints about the low power of warheads are appropriate only if the accuracy of the missile launcher is low. Provide a CEP of up to 5m and everything will be fine: 250-400 kg of TGA will smash everything to pieces! And if the warhead is armor-piercing/penetrating, then the underground bunker will not find it enough. The choice of BZO is always up to the management applying the KR;
      - about air defense systems against the Kyrgyz Republic. NATO makes them based on their V-V missiles with IR and TLV/OS seekers. We made the S-350 Vityaz. But this is all lyrics. The history of all recent military conflicts suggests that missile defense/air defense systems are destroyed either by special forces or supersonic missiles of the anti-aircraft missile system, and only then they use missile defense systems, stealthy, low-speed, with powerful warheads. If it’s different, then the result is different! And then why blame the mirror?
      Well, what if there are no supersonic missile launchers and missile launchers? Is everything bad?
      Not really. Modern CRBDs carry an electronic warfare system, decoys, fireable jamming devices, and are themselves made using STES technology... Yes, a powerful ground-based OVTs radar will detect it, and even an air defense missile system will fire missiles at it, but it is not at all a fact that a low-power seeker of a missile defense system will be able to penetrate its defense , and the IR seeker will not fall for the traps... Everything is not as simple as it might seem.
      Correctly, some colleagues conclude that it is too early to bury subsonic missiles. Every vegetable has its time! Likewise, the CRBD should operate on important BCs after suppressing the enemy’s missile defense/air defense systems.
      IMHO.
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 8 October 2023 18: 34
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        a low-power missile seeker will be able to penetrate its defense
        Let me just remind you that the power of the reflected signal is inversely proportional to the 4th power of the distance, which means that if the missile defense system is launched into the target area using the radio command method, then the missile will not escape, no matter how stealth it is.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 October 2023 11: 21
        0
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Yes, a powerful ground-based radar of the OVC will detect it, and even an air defense missile system will fire a missile at it, but it is not at all a fact that a low-power seeker for a missile defense system will be able to penetrate its defense, and the IR seeker will not fall for traps..

        The problem will be solved by a passive homing channel - when jamming begins, the missile defense system or missile launcher will switch to it and go to the source of interference. When the noise generator is turned off, it switches back.
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 9 October 2023 21: 02
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          The problem will be solved by a passive homing channel - when jamming begins, the missile defense system or missile launcher will switch to it and go to the source of interference. When the noise generator is turned off, it switches back.
          It won’t work: now electronic warfare, even from the time of the Su-27, creates dozens of uniform images of the target, which one to go for? I don’t remember where I read it, but I remembered the fact itself.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 10 October 2023 10: 34
            0
            Quote: bk0010
            It won’t work: now electronic warfare, even from the time of the Su-27, creates dozens of uniform images of the target, which one to go for?

            Dozens of target images are created virtually - by the on-board equipment of the aircraft or the control cabin of the air defense system after processing the interference signal received from the enemy aircraft by the air defense system. But physically, the interference signals are emitted from one place. what
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 10 October 2023 20: 08
              0
              Quote: Alexey RA
              But physically, the interference signals are emitted from one place.
              The missile will be aimed at what it sees, but it sees not the RF outputs of the equipment, but the signal from the antennas, which, due to cunning means and interference, is located outside the aircraft.
  14. Omega options
    Omega options 8 October 2023 07: 42
    +1
    Previously, there were partisans behind enemy lines. They blew up bridges, warehouses, commandant's offices, railway tracks, etc.
    Currently, this role is performed by cruise missiles guided from UAVs or from space.
    To improve the performance of the current winged "partisans", it is necessary to increase the number of satellites, the number of UAV repeaters, and protection against electronic warfare.
    For this we need microelectronics factories, developed by research institutes starting with the elective of students.
    The skillful use of cruise missiles will slow down the recovery of enemy forces and weaken offensive capabilities.
  15. Sergei N 58912062
    Sergei N 58912062 8 October 2023 08: 09
    +2
    At first, Skomorokhov proposed decommissioning strategic bombers. Now cruise missiles. I wonder what he will offer to write off tomorrow?
  16. tlauicol
    tlauicol 8 October 2023 09: 10
    +2
    The photo shows not a Tomahawk, but a Harpoon anti-ship missile launch
  17. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 8 October 2023 09: 21
    +2
    Citizen Skomorokhov methodically assures that archaic tanks, archaic strategists, cruise missiles are in the trash, but what to fight with? Back to bows and arrows?
    1. glock-17
      glock-17 8 October 2023 10: 22
      0
      Let's ride donkeys. Although donkeys are still used by some armies in inaccessible mountainous areas. What does it mean to use as intended?
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 8 October 2023 15: 05
      0
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      and what to fight with? Back to bows and arrows?

      Well why go straight to “bows and arrows”! There are also “Jedi swords”!
  18. Vatnik-rkka
    Vatnik-rkka 8 October 2023 10: 20
    -2
    "and the second army of the world could not rest its forehead against the twenty-second."
    Well, why couldn't she? I really could. How so?
    But a simply strong army cannot use all its power against a weak army. How many minutes would Ukraine have held out if the Russian Armed Forces had used a small part, not even strategic nuclear forces, but tactical nuclear weapons? Twenty or thirty?
    What happened? What happened was that the army of the second world sent only part of its forces and assets to the war, namely the ground forces, which were not deployed at the start of the war, and the rest of the strong army both held back the first army of the world (plus the rest of the world) and continues to hold back. Moreover, it can be argued that the VPR of the Russian Federation managed to implement developments from the 30s of the 20s, when the term “cover army” was used. All the ground forces of the RF Armed Forces were the very “cover army”, which, having tied up the enemy’s stronger ground army in battle, made it possible to carry out mobilization.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 October 2023 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: Vatnik-RKKA
      But a simply strong army cannot use all its power against a weak army. How many minutes would Ukraine have held out if the Russian Armed Forces had used a small part, not even strategic nuclear forces, but tactical nuclear weapons? Twenty or thirty?

      In Iraq and Yugoslavia, the United States somehow managed without tactical nuclear weapons. This time. Secondly, tactical nuclear weapons should not be absolutized. It is important and useful, but in order to defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 20-30 minutes, dozens of megaton-class warheads would be needed.
      1. alexoff
        alexoff 8 October 2023 15: 00
        +2
        To defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces, it was necessary to send your entire army, and not 70 thousand people. And send them to smash the rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, surround barracks, burn warehouses, cut supply lines, and not march towards Kyiv. But of course you can win by accident, but it doesn’t look like we want that
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 October 2023 17: 20
          +1
          Quote from alexoff
          To defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces, it was necessary to send your entire army, and not 70 thousand people.

          Actually, no less than 150 thousand. It seems like a little, unless we forget that all our ground forces have a strength of as much as 280 thousand. And to pull them into a war zone is completely unrealistic.
          1. alexoff
            alexoff 8 October 2023 18: 32
            0
            There were 70 thousand military men and about the same number of Russian Guards, who had nothing heavier than a grenade launcher. As far as I remember, the APUs were about 250 thousand at the beginning, so knowing the location it was easy to cut them. Like in Crimea, the military surrounded the barracks and offered to surrender. As in the Northern Military District - ours drove through Sumy, leaving the artillery brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in their rear. Amazing planning, Crimea was planned probably in less time than the Northern Military District, and by the same people.
      2. Vatnik-rkka
        Vatnik-rkka 8 October 2023 16: 51
        -1
        1. Dozens of warheads of several hundred kilotons each is approximately 5-10% of the nuclear potential of the Russian Federation. I SEE NO PROBLEM.
        2. About Iraq and Yugoslavia. Your example is not successful, because the USSR was not behind them, and all of NATO is behind Ukra.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 October 2023 17: 40
          +2
          Quote: Vatnik-RKKA
          I SEE NO PROBLEM.

          Well, if you don’t see any problems in using megaton warheads in the territories of the LPR and DPR in the immediate vicinity of large cities and directly against smaller settlements... Then I have one question for you. How did you even manage to learn to use a keyboard?
          Quote: Vatnik-RKKA
          About Iraq and Yugoslavia. Your example is not successful, because the USSR was not behind them, and all of NATO is behind Ukra.

          :))) I won’t explain that “unsuccessful” in this case is written together, you won’t understand it. Let me just remind you that in the first months of the Northern Military District, all NATO assistance consisted of grenade launchers, MANPADS, ammunition and non-lethal weapons.
          1. Vatnik-rkka
            Vatnik-rkka 8 October 2023 17: 43
            +1
            Apart from penmanship and moralizing, can you really say anything?
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 8 October 2023 19: 02
              +1
              Quote: Vatnik-RKKA
              Apart from penmanship and moralizing, can you really say anything?

              A person who sees no problem in destroying the Ukrainian Armed Forces with megaton nuclear warheads? Despite the fact that the main forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were located in the areas of Donetsk, Mariupol, etc., and in such a way that their battle formations ran through a lot of settlements like all sorts of Marinki, Kramatorsk, etc. and so on.?
              Essentially, I can’t tell you anything - the site rules prohibit
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 9 October 2023 11: 30
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        It is important and useful, but in order to defeat the Ukrainian Armed Forces in 20-30 minutes, dozens of megaton-class warheads would be needed.

        It will be tactically redundant and strategically insufficient. It is better to return to the standards of forty years ago: one tactical combat unit for each battalion defense area and a pair for the PPD. Plus airfields.
        And then...
        Tablecloth, tablecloth Chlorzian spreads
        And climbs under the gas mask.
  19. Vatnik-rkka
    Vatnik-rkka 8 October 2023 10: 22
    -2
    About the Kyrgyz Republic.
    The Kyrgyz Republic is carriers of nuclear weapons. That's all. In other cases, their use is not effective.
    At the same time, you need to understand that there are situations when you have to hammer nails with a microscope.
    1. DrVintorez
      DrVintorez 8 October 2023 13: 59
      0
      Why is their use not effective? this is a high-precision weapon, with x55 quo, if memory serves, in the region of 10 meters. that is, for the destruction of headquarters, bridges, and infrastructure, it’s a very good thing. Taking into account the range, which ensures the destruction of targets in the deep rear, it is absolutely beautiful.
  20. Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 October 2023 10: 50
    -2
    Suspicious article.
    1) Here, on VO, they wrote more than once - anti-aircraft guns of ships can hardly cope with a single subsonic low-flying anti-ship missile. But the sea is a flat place without relief.
    So what can cope with many missiles enveloping the terrain??? oh hardly.
    The videos and photos shown here mostly show high-flying rockets. Apparently, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are trying to shoot them down.

    2) Dagger and Iskander, no matter what - ballistic missiles, fall from space from above, try to shoot them down.. And in essence, all of us have hypersound like this, except for air defense - they quickly fall from above.... which was the case even before the term was coined "Hyperzuk". Then they also did a lot of PR - “unbreakable” they say.

    3) Supersonic missiles - much larger in size, price, much shorter in range... That is, apart from speed - everything is worse... It was noted many times at VO.

    IMHO. Subsonic missiles, on the contrary, will develop and develop in the direction of UAVs.
    Cheaper, slower, less powerful, more widespread,
    What is already in the news is that instead of a propeller they put turbojet engines on UAVs, sometimes increasing the size + adding boosters to glide bombs, etc...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 8 October 2023 15: 59
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      Quote: Max1995
      Dagger and Iskander, no matter what - ballistic missiles falling from space from above,

      Dagger - yes, an aeroballistic missile. And here Iskander-K (KR "P-500" (9M728) - a cruise missile created for the Iskander OTRK) has a D = 500 km and a standard deviation = 5-7 m. Warhead weight = 480 kg. The missile is essentially a deeply modified X-101 CRBD, so the actual range is more than 500 km, as US experts have repeatedly stated.
  21. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 8 October 2023 11: 03
    +1
    I myself don’t understand anything anymore. Maybe the owners really don’t need this site anymore and they decided to merge it? request
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  22. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 8 October 2023 12: 06
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    out of sight of the heat signature from satellites
    Author, no heat signature is visible from the satellite. There are unmasking signs, but not in the IR range.
    1. Commissar Kitten
      Commissar Kitten 8 October 2023 12: 33
      +1
      The Pentagon doesn’t know about this and launches SBIRS satellites.
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  24. certero
    certero 8 October 2023 15: 09
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    How close the decline of cruise missiles is is clearly demonstrated by the recent attack on Sevastopol.
    When the fleet headquarters was destroyed and two warships were actually destroyed.
    At the same time, the Russian air defense system is considered one of the best in the world.
    So these missiles were flying from the enemy, who have very few of these same missiles.
    There is no decline in cruise missiles and is not expected. On the contrary, cruise missiles will only continue to become cheaper and more numerous.
    The same geraniums are a cruise missile only with a piston engine
  25. Zufei
    Zufei 8 October 2023 16: 07
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    Quote: certero

    The same geraniums are a cruise missile only with a piston engine

    The rocket actually has a jet engine.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 9 October 2023 11: 44
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      Quote: Zufei
      The rocket actually has a jet engine.

      Well then, a cruise missile is an attack UAV with a jet engine. smile
      Actually, the strike “Strizh” and “Flight”, as well as the history of the creation of the AGM-86 ALCM (its mutation from a UAV-LC to an ALCM) show how thin the line is between a UAV and a missile launcher.
  26. Rvlad
    Rvlad 8 October 2023 16: 58
    +1
    The article is silent horror! “Everything was mixed up in the Oblonskys’ house,” or rather, in the author’s head
  27. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 8 October 2023 19: 08
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    Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
    Maybe, in fact, this site is no longer needed by the owners and they decided to merge it

    It’s just really necessary, it’s an income for them (including topkor and some other site about pseudoscience). After all, bad articles still cause a wide discussion, the main thing is that they are not boring, and any nonsense evokes a vivid response from the reader...
  28. ZeeD
    ZeeD 9 October 2023 08: 34
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    Again “not relevant”, “outdated”, “swan song”, etc.
    And again the same author who buries some kind of weapons every month...
  29. Conjurer
    Conjurer 9 October 2023 10: 49
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    The future of military operations for developed countries will be associated with the use of supersonic tactical cruise missiles, and in the future - hypersonic ones.
    The conclusion is incorrect. Simply because the speed of a military object is not an insurmountable barrier to defeat, it is a matter of time. This has been proven many times in the history of wars, and here it is again, with the same rake.
    The whole point is that until now cruise missiles were perceived and used as guided missiles of MLRS - I fired a log and forgot, it will fly by itself. And this happened - the product is unobtrusive, relatively fast - a difficult target to detect and destroy (that's how drones are now). But that time is over for cruise missiles. They are reliably detected and, accordingly, hit. And no amount of speed will help them in the near future.
    So what should I do? You just need to stop treating them like MLRS, and use the technique of using, albeit unmanned, aviation. That is, group raids with electronic warfare cover, suppression of air defense, with diversion and strike groups - that is, everything that is used during air raids. In fact, cruise missiles are already replacing manned aircraft when striking deep in the rear, we just need to recognize this and act accordingly.