"The Russian people missed Stalin"

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Striking but true: despite 56’s almost continuous “de-Stalinization” years, the Russian people continue to honor Stalin

December 21 passed - the birthday of I.V. Stalin. Starting from the 20th Congress of the CPSU, the anti-Stalinist campaign, aiming at “debunking the idol,” is coming from all the tribunes in our country, ever increasing, now weakening. Representatives of various political platforms, especially of the liberal-democratic direction, do not tire us to repeat the need for "de-Stalinization".

Just recently, in October of this year, at a meeting with the Perm party activist of United Russia, former President Dmitry Medvedev issued another severe sentence to Joseph Vissarionovich: “Joseph Stalin and other leaders of the Soviet state of that time deserve the toughest assessment. This should remain in our annals storiesso that this never happens again. Because war with one’s people is a grave crime. ”

Pygmy spoke about titan ... Surprisingly, by placing this text on his Facebook, the ex-president caused a flurry of responses (in less than a day he was answered by almost 400 users of the social network, and the number of likes was almost a million) The responses are mostly stinging, disapproving of such criticism on his part. And one of the respondents aptly wrote: “Recall that it was under Stalin who“ fought with his own people ”that the number of Russians (Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians) increased, according to censuses, by an average of 1,3-1,5 million per year.”

True, in the Russian top you can hear another point of view. Thus, the first mayor of Moscow, Luzhkov, sensitive to public sentiment, in 2010, announced his intention to continue to decorate the capital of Russia with posters and information stands with the image of Joseph Stalin, not only on the occasion of Victory Day, but also during other celebrations. Luzhkov explained his position by saying that he was not an admirer of Stalin, but an admirer of objective history. But Yury Mikhailovich did not have time to carry out his plan.

Amazingly, but a fact: despite 56’s almost continuous “de-Stalinization” years, the Russian people continue to honor Stalin. The country not only by popular mourning (except for some of the repressed - not all! - and their relatives) led Stalin to another world, but he always chooses him as a national hero, the most popular person in Russian history. According to ratings, Stalin is ahead of such well-known guardians of the Russian state as Alexander Nevsky, Sergius of Radonezh, Peter I, and even “our everything” Alexander Pushkin. The last such survey of 2008 of the year (“Name of Russia”) once again convincingly confirmed this.

The question is: are the Russian people stupid? Is the Russian people blind? The Russian people do not see who is friend and who is enemy, who is hero, and who is antihero and villain, who to thank and who to curse? Is the Russian people unconscious?

Hardly. Throwing such an accusation against a whole people is at least reckless and unfair. If the people, in spite of the incessant, perennial, massive pressure of propaganda, continue to put Stalin so high, then this riddle must have a completely rational answer.

And if this is so, then we must not reproach the Russians with the “incomprehension” of the Stalin phenomenon, but try to understand the secret of his popularity among the people.

What is Stalin love the Russian heart?

Contrary to various conventional versions, it is for Russians that the achievements related to the Stalin era that are not striking are important:

- not only and not so much the scientific and technical upsurge of the USSR according to the banal formula "from the plow to the atomic bomb";

- not only the transformation of the USSR into a superpower, not only the pursuit of world-historical parity with the most powerful power of the US world;

- not only the spread of the influence of the USSR on the whole of Eastern Europe, China, Mongolia, many countries of the world.

These are all, of course, wonderful signs of external power, capable of consoling vanity and national pride, but they completely do not affect the existential foundations of being. Namely, to these fundamentals, Russians are by nature especially sensitive.

Other circumstances are much more important for Russians.

First and foremost: it was Stalin, directing an almost single-handedly huge country, managed to break the back of two of the worst, the most deadly in the history of the enemies of the Russian people, directly and directly threatening our lives. Namely:

1) to the Bolsheviks-Leninists, the “Leninist Guard”, which threw the Russian people into the furnace of the “world revolution”, which conducted the first round of ruthless and unprecedented genocide and ethnocide of the Russians in the 20th century Bukharin and other executioners of the Russian people);

2) Hitler's horde, which initiated the "second round" of the Russian genocide, intending to completely deprive him of his historical existence.

Stalin defeated and destroyed both of our mortal enemies one by one, and by that one already earned the right to our gratitude.

Stalin not only dealt with the main enemies of our country, but also managed to restore it in an incredibly short time after terrible invasions and destruction: first Bolshevik, then Nazi. This double feat was accomplished in front of a single generation.

The sacrifices were great, but the accomplishments are grand. And they ultimately overshadow victims in a historical perspective.

Secondly, Stalin, guided partly by personal considerations, but, as a rule, not losing sight of state necessity, led a continuous struggle against those whom he called the “accursed caste” - the upper echelons of civilian and military bureaucracy, detached from people kosneyuschey, striving to put their personal interests above the public, forgetting about disinterested service to the country and the people.

Rotation of leading cadres, which was carried out quite brutally, constantly opened up broad prospects for new generations. It was the epoch of mass career take-off (including even especially Russian), about which the outstanding Russian philosopher Alexander Zinoviev wrote the best:

“Why did my mother keep a portrait of Stalin? She was a peasant woman. Before collectivization, our family lived well. But at what cost? Heavy work from dawn to dusk. What prospects did her children have (eleven souls!)? Become peasants, at best - artisans. Started collectivization. Ruin the village. The flight of people into the city. And the result of this? In our family, one person became a professor, another - a factory director, a third - a colonel, three became engineers. And something similar happened in millions of other families. I do not want to use here the evaluative expressions "bad" and "good." I just want to say that in this era in the country, unprecedented in the history of mankind, the rise of many millions of people from the lower ranks of society to masters, engineers, teachers, doctors, actors, officers, scientists, writers, directors, etc., took place. P.".

The colossal energies released in the process of forced de-peasantization (the process itself began before the revolution), Stalin and his cadres were able to send in a creative direction. Generations of Russian people (again, minus the repressed) received a unique opportunity for maximum self-realization. They deservedly were proud of the visible results of the joint military and labor feat.

All this taken together inspired people, gave a powerful impetus to life and work. Of course, there was a lot of grief, fear, and inhuman exertion of strength, suffering. Stalin was far from abstract humanism, as, indeed, his whole era as a whole. But after all, always and everywhere, in all countries passing through the peasants, the price of human life drops extremely. And the sense of danger, which invariably accompanied the Soviet man by virtue of repressive practices, exacerbated the sensations of the achieved success.

The legendary working capacity and exactingness of Stalin's workforce cadres, starting from the secretary general himself, their personal unpretentiousness and disinterestedness, their sharpening for the “common good”, asceticism, especially prominently and vividly understood in comparison with subsequent eras, present the Stalin era in a very favorable light . And above all, its symbol - Stalin himself.

Speaking about the phenomenon of the popular popularity of Stalin, one cannot forget that starting with 1934, the USSR began a turn from the ideology of the Communist International to the ideology of traditional patriotism with a distinct bias in the Russian national theme. The turn, with great enthusiasm picked up by the Russian people, the Russian intelligentsia.

On the threshold - restoration?

So, we have counted many reasons for the people's memory and people's love for the “father of nations”, severe and far from all sentimentality, as Stalin was called at that time.

Or maybe the people just missed their father? At least some, even such a harsh? And we seem to have Motherland, but only after Stalin in her house, more and more, some stepfathers were observed. In which dozens of children run around the yard, all are not entirely strangers, but also not entirely their own ...

The Russians, frankly, are tired of this fatherlessness.

It is no coincidence today, according to opinion polls, 42% of Russian citizens believe that Russia needs a leader like Stalin. Russian Stalin, who would have dealt with the anti-popular part of the elite, would restore order in the house and lead his people from victory to victory.

It is this type of leader demanded by modern Russia, huge masses of the population are waiting for his arrival hopefully.

This is felt by many.

Therefore, some restore the text glorifying Stalin at the Kurskaya metro station at their own risk, while others talk about the restoration of his monuments and bas-reliefs.

Bust of Stalin as one of the commanders of the Red Army is already standing in the Central Museum of the Great Patriotic War on Poklonnaya Hill in Moscow.

In Kaliningrad, in 2005, on the stele of the 1200 memorial, the Guardsmen of the 11 Guards Army who died during the storming of Koenigsberg, was engraved with the medal “For the victory over Germany in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945” with Stalin's profile.

What can I say, if the monument to Stalin has been restored not so long ago, even in the now distant from us and not too friendly Lithuania (Druskininkai), and in 2012, in the more distant Slovakia (Bratislava)!

For the same reason, our society is constantly returning to the issue of restoring the historic legendary name of Stalingrad.

And for the same reason, people are so enthusiastically perceived by the wave of anti-corruption struggle rising in Russia, wishing to see in it an attempt to return to the Stalinist standards of personal honesty and unselfishness of those in power.

All this can be called in one word: "restoration".

Well, restoration in one form or another, as is known, is a historically logical continuation of any revolution. Even in the very reign of Stalin, many historians rightly see the features of the restoration of pre-revolutionary Russia, destroyed, killed by the Bolsheviks-Leninists, but gradually restored in many memorable details. About what Lev Trotsky wrote with excessive anger, and with an excessive affection - “Smenovekhovtsy”.

As can be seen, the bourgeois-democratic revolution of 1991-1993. in Russia was no exception to the rule. The pendulum of history, as it should be according to the law, has swung to the other side again, and under six decades of “de-Stalinization” not today or tomorrow, it seems that a line can be drawn.

However, wait and see.
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  1. +14
    January 6 2013
    No one denies the Stalinist repressions, BUT we must remember good things too, namely: those prices in stores where everything cost a penny, a nuclear shield, respect from other countries and much that is hushed up by our non-dependents today!
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      +15
      January 6 2013
      rates? remember salaries! The IVS did a good job returning the country's industrial power to the parameters that it had before the revolution! although it cost the Russian people dearly, but without industrialization, Guderian tanks would have stopped on the Pacific coast
      1. +4
        January 6 2013
        I want to clarify, I was born in 88 and I don’t know much. So do not judge strictly for not knowing! In history textbooks, a lot of things are silent!
        1. Fox
          +1
          January 6 2013
          noticeably ... just think with your own head when you write something, and don’t be like a mendel.
        2. +13
          January 6 2013
          I was born two years after Stalin's death, but as a child I only heard about Stalin at home. At school, they did not mention him, while studying further they told us about him in the subjects - social science and political science. but either nothing or bad. By no way I mean that I was, was in power, achievements, failures, and debunking the cult of personality. Bad - repression, etc. ... At home, my grandmothers, my mother's grandfather (by the way, a participant in the 1917 revolution, served in Kronstad as a naval sailor on the destroyer "Constantinople," participated in the arrest of the interim government), my father's grandfather, a former clergyman, father and mother, all spoke of Stalin only positively. despite the fact that the grandfather had to leave his parish, the other, in order not to be dispossessed, burn everything, sell the cattle and go to work in the city at the factory. My grandmother on my father's side was imprisoned for two years for being late (during the war I went to buy groceries and was late for work at the plant), and nothing. Unfortunately, I don’t remember a single grandfather, one died in 1937, the other in 1941, but according to the stories of my mother and father, no one ever spoke badly about Stalin in their families. so that I have a normal attitude towards Stalin since childhood. In Soviet times, if anyone remembers, first on the cars of Georgians, and then on many others, portraits of Stalin appeared, and nothing was stopped and forced to shoot. under Brezhnev, they began to talk about Stalin, show them in films, and not so sharply talk about what happened during the years of his reign. Starting with Gorbachev and up to the present time, why did they begin to denigrate Stalin again? Yes, because those who denigrate him and began to denigrate are those who are guilty of the collapse of the USSR, who are afraid that a man like Stalin will appear and harass them, make them responsible for the lawlessness that they have done to Russia. And the people want someone like Stalin, who brought real order in the country: corrupt officials against the wall, bandits of all stripes to mine gold in Magadan, liberals - democrats there, and bureaucrats - bureaucrats would not hurt to clean up. That is why they are all afraid of Stalin.
        3. +11
          January 6 2013
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          No one denies the Stalinist repression

          The fact of the matter is that those who know - just deny. Read the book of Nikolai Starikov "Stalin - We Remember Together", he did not invent anything, all infa from archives, memoirs and living testimonies, everything is checked. In short, the real repressions were done by Yezhov and Yagoda, and when Stalin realized what was going on, he shot these devils and put Beria in their place, who stopped the repressions and began amnesty. Something like this, but read the book, you will learn a lot of useful and interesting things.
          1. +3
            January 7 2013
            Kolya Starikov also makes a lot of stretches in the book, but I would agree with Stalin in those conditions too, some would have to be shot, which was done in other things, but the scale is attributed to Iosif Vissarionovich .... eerie and cannibalistic ...
            the prosecutor Rudenko-Khrushchev prepared a note on the repressed for the years 29 to 53, there were numbers about 2 thousand repressed and about 700 ooo shot. I agree - it’s a bit much, and every life is valuable., But it’s not 600 million about which Sozhenitsyn writes and then the whole Jewish press (media and TV) began to increase the figure, here I have not heard for a long time that Novodvorskaya is already talking about 60 million))).
            Although she and Solzhenitsyn should kneel down and ask the Russian people for forgiveness that the representatives of "their nationality" then and wait will rot the Russian people. Here's a look at the lists of camp chiefs and chief executives of the NKVD, all over the Jews and these same freaks yell that Stalin was to blame, that he was shooting at the top of the NKVD, ministers, and other liberal bastard ....
      2. +4
        January 6 2013
        To carry out de-Stalinization in our country is as stupid and useless as to de-Russify.
        1. -2
          January 6 2013
          Quote: crazyrom
          de-Russify

          And it is very necessary!
    2. +33
      January 6 2013
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      No one denies the Stalinist repression ....

      If reprisals are called the rule of law in a country where, after a long period of virtually anarchy (Revolution and Civil War), punks and bandits and ordinary thieves-officials divorced; where, after the breakdown of the social system, thousands of people who disagreed with such changes opposed the new order as they could - yes, there were repressions.
      Think about it: in fact, not all the White Guards emigrated? a lot of "dissent" remained in the country. Some of them hid like Koreiko, quietly waited and hoped that the Bolsheviks would bend themselves or the Entente would "help" them. Others, more decisively, tried to "help" to the best of their ability, sabotage and evasion are not propaganda inventions ...
      And the cap.countries were not going to wait quietly until the Bolsheviks themselves fell apart. In later times they sent hundreds of saboteurs, and in those days you can be sure that they were bombarded with packs. Thank God, the White Guards among the emigrants, who were ready for a feat in the name of Russia, were still young and active, and there were enough risky ones among them. But the explosions at factories under construction or hydroelectric power stations are good, but the assassination attempts by top management are a much more effective means, and also far more familiar to British and French diplomacy. The case of doctors is only part of their activity, the most high-profile process.

      You must admit that in this difficult situation it was possible to restore order only with an iron hand. Liberasty used to call it repression of innocent people. But the liberals had to believe - not to respect themselves, and in fact the innocents there still had to be searched. These were errors of the legal system, some of which were corrected as soon as possible.
      (There are frequent stories of witnesses that the "pests" or "spies" taken to the NKVD were released with an apology a week or a month later.)
      An indirect confirmation that the innocent did not make up a large percentage of the repressed was that the population's support for Stalin did not decline even at the peak of these "repressions".
      1. +21
        January 6 2013
        PS Liberasty generally lies as it breathes, their ideology is based on lies, on the distortion of facts. Indeed, from the name of a particular phenomenon, the view of it among uninitiated people changes dramatically.

        Compare with the modern actions of the liberals?
        They call the foreign terrorist fighters abandoned in Syria, killing even children, the "Free Syrian Army", "Syrian rebels", representatives of the Syrian people. And the President legally elected by the people of Syria is a usurper and dictator who must leave because someone outside Syria wants so badly. As a result of the actions of the Syrian army to eliminate the newcomer mercenaries (in fact - protection against foreign intervention) in the Western press look like suppression by the dictatorial regime of their own people.

        This is the "fighting lie of the liberals" when black is called white and vice versa. This is generally a general rule of the liberals.
        Who will believe this? Only one who does not read newspapers other than liberal ones.

        Therefore, you just need to return the real names: Stalin's repressions are a fight against the same "rebels" as in Syria, and Stalin was declared a "dictator" only because he was not run by liberal swindlers and a traitor like Gorbachev or Yushchenko and Ssukashvili.

        If you correctly understand the liberals, even the past, even the present - then everything falls into place.
        1. S_mirnov
          +9
          January 6 2013
          Personally, I believe that in the modern government, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the prosecutor’s office, real purges should be arranged. Because people who do not take bribes there are a minority and these departments themselves cannot recover. Although a clear affair should begin with the president.
          1. orfo
            +1
            January 6 2013
            it is better to provoke and verify them. take it or not, if yes then come on bye.
            1. burn
              0
              January 6 2013
              this law is rejected.
            2. +1
              January 6 2013
              it is better to provoke and verify them. take it or not

              They check in full. Some businessman arrives in a Porsche, goes out to the "right people", meets, feeds and drinks for six months. And then he gives money for the favor. And that's it, bracelets, jail, court and so on ...
              And not only with officials - the police are also thoroughly scratched. bully
              1. 0
                January 7 2013
                otkel infa? do not share a reference? or is it "first hand"?
          2. 0
            January 6 2013
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Although a clear affair should begin with the president.

            to clean ????
            1. S_mirnov
              0
              January 7 2013
              And then it rots from the head!
        2. +10
          January 6 2013
          I am not an evil person, but I consider the execution of the Government of the Russian Federation the first step in the fight against corruption.
          Although, you can put on the count. Still, Russia, everything is done through w ... wink
          The second step, of course, is a total check of journalists for professional suitability and objectivity. Without repression, just a life-long ban on engaging in zvizdobolstvo.
          1. Beck
            0
            January 6 2013
            Quote: Botanologist
            I am not an evil person, but I consider the execution of the Government of the Russian Federation the first step in the fight against corruption. Although, you can put on the count. Still, Russia, everything is done through ... The second step, of course, is a total check of journalists for professional suitability and objectivity. Without repression, just a life-long ban on engaging in zvizdobolstvo.


            What you said should be done, but not by repressive methods. No extrajudicial killings. Without ships Troika, etc.

            There are laws and jurisprudence in Russia. Here applying laws and judged by lawful courts.
            1. +4
              January 6 2013
              Of course, without the ships of the Troika. The dossier for each, I believe, is already such that not one lawyer will not let it go.
              And, by the way, the ban on children leaving officials to work and permanent residence abroad. To not only fear for themselves.
          2. S_mirnov
            +2
            January 7 2013
            "ban to engage in zvizdolstvom" tin! they will die of hunger, they know nothing else. Here again, our polises were noted, how will they get out now?
            http://newsbabr.com/?IDE=111096
        3. +4
          January 6 2013
          Skating rink UA 'Stalin was declared a "dictator" only because he was not run by liberal swindlers and a traitor like Gorbachev or Yushchenko and Ssukashvili.'
          --------------------------------------------------------------------
          I completely agree with you! You have a huge "+"! In general, I really like your comments, and your nickname is suitable - all these bastards really get under the "RINK" !!! I always read with interest all your comments ...
      2. +9
        January 6 2013
        By the way, about the White Guards. Many stayed because the concept of Russia, Motherland was sacred for them. I have an acquaintance - a respectable lady, a noblewoman. Her father (naval officer) was repressed because he had a book "Mein Kampf" in German. The man just wanted to know what he would have to face. But alas ... he died, but his daughter graduated from school, institute, an excellent teacher. During the war, she worked like everyone else, dug trenches (I mean that the whole family was not always taken away and arrested). And until now she says: "There was such a time. It was impossible otherwise." Stalin always carries flowers on his birthday, since he lives in Moscow.
      3. lotus04
        0
        January 6 2013
        Quote: Skating rink
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        No one denies the Stalinist repression ....

        If reprisals are called the rule of law in a country where, after a long period of virtually anarchy (Revolution and Civil War), punks and bandits and ordinary thieves-officials divorced; where, after the breakdown of the social system, thousands of people who disagreed with such changes opposed the new order as they could - yes, there were repressions.


        Once again I am convinced that the number of stars does not indicate the amount of "gray matter".
      4. orfo
        +3
        January 6 2013
        Somehow everything was so simple and correct.
        From August 17, 1937 to March 22, 1940, according to a certificate dated April 4, 1940 [15], he was detained in the UGB Internal Prison at the NKVD in the Leningrad Region on Shpalernaya Street [15]. According to the stories of the wife of Marshal Kazakov [16], Rokossovsky was tortured. The head of the Leningrad UNKVD Zakovsky took part in these tortures.

        http://urlid.ru/ao11

        What is needed is not Steel and not mass executions. "We're not 37" @. What is needed is order, and order excludes the importation of immigrants and the management of ethnic criminal groups in the country.
        1. burn
          +9
          January 6 2013
          As my dad said, under Stalin, an honest man had nothing to be afraid of, and today who is afraid of the second Stalin ??? a normal honest citizen of Russia understands ...
      5. +4
        January 6 2013
        Solzhenitsyn, having calmed himself off and calmed down on the state land with state money, once admitted quite openly. And then he repeated this not infrequently - he was going to change the system existing in his country at that time. And he began to take steps to overthrow him, creating an anti-government organization. So you are completely right. Repression? More such repressions!
    3. +13
      January 6 2013
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      No one denies the Stalinist repression

      The repressive apparatus is an attribute of any state. The punishment of criminals, the fight against them, the protection of citizens from criminal activity, is the direct duty of the state. Not to commit acts of repression means not to fulfill their state duties.
      1. burn
        -5
        January 6 2013
        Well, like you, wise men, and different perverts will be the first on the gun.
    4. +19
      January 6 2013
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      No one denies the Stalinist repressions, BUT we must remember good deeds,
      So from the dictionary.
      Repression- This is an extreme measure used by states in individuals that threaten its system or cause a particular danger to citizens of the country.
      And what is political repression? Maybe this is exactly what is said in the first part of the definition? Maybe these are precisely those people who did not want to live under socialism? By the way, this concept is used only by Jews, those who were not allowed to leave the country on the 7.40 train ?.
      1. +3
        January 6 2013
        Oops, someone just zamusnovuval in a quiet. I do not care, but give a different interpretation of the concept of repression. And at the same time, there’s a link to the dictionary (just don’t have to bring Efremov, who released his dictionary in new terms, well, Wikipedia too, there’s no exact definition)
        1. +4
          January 6 2013
          Quote: Mechanic
          Oops, someone just zamusnovuval in a quiet. ....

          When there is nothing to object to truthful words, they simply quietly minus. And mind you, they never admit that somewhere they are wrong ... Their communication script is simple: - "I lied, you convincingly refuted. I have nothing to argue with - keep the minus!"

          That is such a quiet minus - and there is their recognition of your innocence.
          1. +3
            January 6 2013
            Quote: Skating rink
            Do not pay attention to these pros / cons, these are just toys.
            Greetings Igor. Merry Christmas. Yes to me on the drum. It's just interesting to hear what this person can say against.
            1. +2
              January 6 2013
              Thanks, Eugene! Mutually!

              Having thought, I managed to modernize my previous post a little, and now it just answers your question.

              smile
        2. Fox
          +1
          January 6 2013
          mechanic, this is the elohim fans trying ...
        3. postman
          0
          January 6 2013
          Quote: Mechanic
          but give a different interpretation of the concept of repression.

          I did not minus, but I will give:
          went from here "repressio" - suppression, extrusion.
          re- (by, you); pressio / press- (press / squeeze)
          Karl Ernst Georges (1806-1895)
          Ausfuehrliches lateinisch-deutsches Handwoerterbuch, 1913


          translated into German: 1. Abwehr (ABVER), Hemmung 2. Unterdrueckung
          Abwehr called, in the period from 1920 to 1944, all official bodies and units of the Reichswehr, and later Wehrmacht, designed to carry out counterintelligence, espionage and sabotage acts.


          in the French version of the interpretation (general):
          Violent repression opposition, criticism, social movements and individual needs
          The Epoch Terror (French revolution)- "La Grande Terreur"
          / terror, dictatorship, guillotine, reaction /

          H. Marcuse: Triebstruktur u. Gesellschaft (ad Engl., Neuausg. 1979);
          H. Marcuse: Repressive Toleranz, in: Kritik der reinen Toleranz, hg. v. RP Wolff ua (ad Amerikan., 1982);

          The legal dictionary
          Big medical dictionary

          Enough?
          1. +2
            January 6 2013
            Quote: Postman
            Enough?
            I prefer Ozhegov's dictionary. Since in other languages ​​acquired words can be interpreted as you like. We are talking about the USSR (Russia) so there is no need to drag in foreign interpretations.
            1. postman
              -3
              January 7 2013
              Quote: Mechanic
              so do not drag in foreign interpretations.

              Word-foreign, arose when the USSR (RUSSIA) was not in the plans, incl. your preferences are out of place.
              And the Russian language is not related to the languages ​​of the romance group

              although "RE-PRESS" speaks for themselves: press, press-hut.
              A typical way to achieve one’s (to impose one’s) by mental or physical suppression
      2. DYMITRY
        +12
        January 6 2013
        Quote: Mechanic
        And what is political repression?

        Good day, Eugene. Very good question.
        I will cite two very striking examples that are literally textbook examples of "political" repression.
        1. Tupolev A.N. considered a victim of denunciation, and was imprisoned under Article 58. In reality, however, the criminal case was initially initiated on the fact of receiving a bribe. While in the USA, Andrei Nikolaevich received a Ford car and an electric glacier as a bribe. In gratitude for this, Comrade Tupolev acquired technical documentation and the right to licensed production of three types of aircraft for gold. Which were initially inferior in performance characteristics to the samples ALREADY AVAILABLE ON THE ARMAMENT OF THE RKKA. Moreover, he did not even introduce the requirements for converting sizes from inch to metric system. In the end, none of the three samples went into production. And only in the course of the criminal case, the fact of corruption was reclassified into the political plane. I suspect that for ideological reasons. It turns out that it is quite ugly that a brilliant Soviet aircraft designer could corny grab a bribe.
        2. S.P. Korolev being the deputy director of the Jet Research Institute, he was assigned by the party and government to develop cruise missiles. Accordingly, received very generous funding. Sergei Pavlovich did not want to engage in CD, and arbitrarily, on his own initiative, began to develop a Ballistic Missile, the future "Semerochka" Let me remind you that in 1938 atomic weapons were passed by the department of theorists for a very distant future. Throwing a couple of tons of TNT over intercontinental distances is pointless !!!! Inappropriate use of budgetary funds reached 90 !!!!!!%. As a result, quite naturally, the competent authorities accused Comrade. The queen is sabotage. In my opinion, it is completely fair.
        I did not cite these examples in order to somehow denigrate the great Soviet designers, the great, after all, have the right to weaknesses. And in order to emphasize, in many criminal cases, politics did not smell, it was the most common crime. Only on the basis of the Criminal Code did these acts take place under the 58 article.
        1. +5
          January 6 2013
          Quote: DYMITRY
          I did not cite these examples in order to somehow denigrate the great Soviet designers, the great, after all, have the right to weaknesses. And in order to emphasize, in many criminal cases, politics did not smell, it was the most common crime. Only on the basis of the Criminal Code did these acts take place under the 58 article.
          Greetings Dmitry. Happy you. drinks If on the topic, then also things were divided into 2 categories. Criminal and Political. But these cases had only a very indirect relation to the Repression. Repression is the state’s measures; if it decides that it is being harmed by any actions, it takes extreme measures. That is, there are no political repressions, repression is a way of counteracting those who harm the system or the country's security. Corruption (in my opinion) is sabotage by the system, society and the state. And as a result, corrupt officials must fall under state repression.
          1. DYMITRY
            +1
            January 6 2013
            Quote: Mechanic
            Happy you.

            Mutually, with the upcoming bright holiday !!!! drinks
        2. postman
          -1
          January 6 2013
          Quote: DYMITRY
          I will give two very striking examples

          examples are not bright but false
          1.
          Quote: DYMITRY
          was instituted upon receipt of a bribe

          "business" was in 1937, by this time Tupolev had awards:
          Hero of Labor
          The order of Lenin
          two orders of the Red Banner of Labor
          Order of the Red Star
          Order of the Badge of Honor
          created TB-1, TB-3 (landing on the North Pole), Maxim Gorky, ANT-25 (flight of the USSR-USA), DB-1 (ANT-36)

          The constructor of the 1st category received 4 thousand rubles. It was the elite of Soviet society.
          / note: the second category received from 2 to 1200 rubles, their salary in some cases exceeded the salaries of the plenipotentiaries of the USSR in foreign countries. Their deputies received 80% of the salaries of the chefs. /
          PS Okay, the lepister glacier, but how can I bring Ford to the USSR and legalize it? Do not think?

          imagine that this person "took bribes from the American firms Grumman, Consolidated Valty and Vout-Sikorsky (Chance Vout)"
          YeprsEtE!

          Along with AN Tupolev, many leading specialists from TsAGI and OKB, directors of most aircraft factories, were arrested.
          Quote: DYMITRY
          electric glacier
          GOT?


          2.
          Quote: DYMITRY
          Korolev S.P. being the deputy director of the Jet Research Institute received the assignment of the party and government

          in 1936 TALED to test anti-aircraft KR-217 (RDTT), long-range missile defense-212 (LRE ORM-65), deputy director, and he was appointed to the rank of senior engineer.
          1933 - the creation of a fundamentally new weapon, the Katyusha missile launched in 1929, was completed.
          where is there
          Quote: DYMITRY
          Inappropriate use of budget funds reached 90 !!!!!!%
          ?????

          Quote: DYMITRY
          and arbitrarily, on an initiative basis, began to develop a Ballistic Missile, the future "Semerochka"

          He could not develop any "future" 7k, read his shock impression after visiting Peenemünde: serial production by the Germans "UNITCHEK" (FAU) with a thrust of 30 TONS, and Korolev experimented with TENS of kilograms.
          Prim, by the way, he’s educated aircraft designer and experienced glider
          A cruise missile is closer to him than a ballistic one ...
          1. DYMITRY
            0
            January 7 2013
            Quote: Postman
            examples are not bright but false

            Are there grounds for such a statement? Criminal cases are publicly available. Can be found on the net. Open and read. Then you will blame the lies !!!!!
            Quote: Postman

            Along with AN Tupolev, many leading specialists from TsAGI and OKB, directors of most aircraft factories, were arrested.

            I did not write about many, I wrote about Tupolev
            Quote: Postman
            He could not develop any "future" 7k, read his shock impression after visiting Peenemünde:

            Read the memoirs of Korolyov himself, where he writes in Russian and white that he began work on the future "Semerochka" in the early 30s. And about the FAU is not even funny. Brown hit amers, and Korolev was the first in space, that says it all. In addition to emotions, in essence, what is there to object?
            1. postman
              -1
              January 7 2013
              Quote: DYMITRY
              Are there grounds for such a statement?

              Yes, he blamed you, for this:
              Quote: DYMITRY
              I will cite two very striking examples that are literally textbook examples of "political" repression.

              You bring them, then you are lying. Remind me under what article AN Tupolev was convicted?
              Quote: DYMITRY
              Ovny affairs are in the public domain.

              Well, well, CAN LINK? for open access, you don’t even know the laws of the country in which you live.
              Quote: DYMITRY

              I did not write about many, I wrote about Tupolev

              As a "vivid" example, according to your "repression". Nageli is it hard to figure out why I brought them?
              Quote: DYMITRY
              Read the memories of Queen,

              Do they exist? (Memoirs of the Queen himself)?
              “Rocket flight in the stratosphere” S.P. Korolev
              ?

              Just grind the tongue (fingers on the keyboard), without even knowing what it was about.

              Can you enlighten why (after which) S.P. Korolev ended up in the hospital, and on June 27.06.38, 27, after being discharged from it, he was arrested "having received a head wound, he went to the hospital, and when he was discharged from it," June 1938, 58 was arrested under the notorious XNUMXth article as a member of the counter-revolutionary Trotskyist organization within the RNII "
              ?
              Quote: DYMITRY
              And about the FAA, it's not even funny.

              Well, then I, unlike you, saw her alive, though dissected.
              Quote: DYMITRY
              Brown hit the amers, and in space the first was Korolev,

              Disappointingly, neither Korolev nor Brown were personally in "space".
              Probably you "read" in the memories of SPKorolev (mythical)
              I know the history of space exploration better than you. We can even conduct a "tester".
              Quote: DYMITRY
              In addition to emotions, is there anything to object to?

              I objected in essence, re-read, there were emotions = 0.
              1. DYMITRY
                -1
                January 8 2013
                Quote: Postman
                I objected in essence, re-read, there were emotions = 0.

                Again the facts are zero, the answer at the level is itself. In this vein, I consider the discussion with you pointless.
                1. postman
                  -1
                  January 8 2013
                  Quote: DYMITRY
                  Again zero facts

                  Probably crust dried crust does not allow the brain to function fully?
                  All the same (not for me), but for the "talking heads" you will give:
                  - the criminal case against Tupolev, who "is full on the Internet (free access) "
                  -memories of Korolev, on the "seven"?
                  ??? .Textured you are ours.
                  Quote: DYMITRY
                  I consider it pointless.

                  so talkers always say when there is nothing to object.
                  1. DYMITRY
                    0
                    January 8 2013
                    Quote: Postman
                    so talkers always say when there is nothing to object.

                    In general, conducting a discussion involves bringing some evidence of their point of view. But the first rule of the network troll, you blame, and let the interlocutor prove that he is not a camel! You learned at 5+. In general, everything is clear with you. I do not argue with trolls in principle
                    1. postman
                      0
                      January 9 2013
                      Quote: DYMITRY
                      But the first rule of the network troll, you blame, and let the interlocutor prove that he is not a camel!

                      Are you talking to yourself?
                      Calm down and "read" again at your leisure:
                      -What did you write (and who were unfairly blamed, and without proof)
                      -that I replied, and than substantiated.

                      from you, except for the "mythical" criminal cases against Tupolev on the "Internet" and nonsense about the "seven" and "waste of money by Korolev (7ku" for her - NOTHING.
                      Even
                      Quote: DYMITRY
                      memories of Queen

                      Everything is groundless, undocumented and illogical.
                      ==================================
                      I’m thinking whether to provide your "pearls" of the relatives of the discussed characters, let them argue with you
                      1. Beck
                        +1
                        January 9 2013
                        Quote: DYMITRY
                        In general, conducting a discussion involves bringing some evidence of their point of view. But the first rule of the network troll, you blame, and let the interlocutor prove that he is not a camel! You learned at 5+. In general, everything is clear with you. I do not argue with trolls in principle


                        And do not argue. You do not succeed. Since you have one bare head - a follower of a dictator and a messenger without any serious arguments, unlike the Postman.
                        Therefore, you cannot argue with arguments and give the last argument, which in your opinion solves everything and which is peculiar to people who have nothing to say - And what to argue with you. You are a troll. (Or a fool).
      3. +1
        January 7 2013
        I restored justice + .. I completely agree with your position.
        A huge plus for the article .. I read it in one go ... two points about the Leninist-Jewish guard and the German invasion are precisely indicated
        For myself, I long ago understood -Lenin-Ulyanov-Blank .. this is the phenomenon of Satan for the Russian people ... Exaggerated- Lenin = Hitler ... and it is not known who caused more harm to the Russian nation
    5. Beltar
      +10
      January 6 2013
      What kind of repression? The shooting of traitors-conspirators led by Tukhachevsky? True, the authorities, headed by Yezhov, were then completely cut to the limit, which is generally characteristic of the periods after conspiracies, when in any country they begin to wool all over the place, and it becomes profitable to inform, but again, Stalin put them in their place.
    6. YARY
      +8
      January 6 2013
      aiming at "debunking idol»


      This is their mistake.

      They are liberals, bullshit, human rights cosmopolitans and other scum of the stinking corrupted antisocial ugly GEYROPA and could not and will never be able to understand the simple and ordinary truth that is understandable to any Russian person - STALIN IS NOT AN IDOL!
      Stalin is a phenomenon!
      And as a point of occurrence - it is not subject to time as the existence of laws of physics and mathematics is not subject to time!
      Pygmies are TEMPORARILY in power in RUSSIA hide their ENVY to the fact that they have never been givenCOMPARE WITH THIS PHENOMENON! And their envy is poured into a stream of lies and dirty slander as only one law applies to a pygmy "YOU CAN BECOME A KING BY LOWERING EVERYONE AROUND YOURSELF"
      But for Stalin phenomena there was another law"LIFT EVERYTHING AROUND YOURSELF AND RISE WITH ALL"! -This is hard, it requires incredible laborIt’s almost beyond power! But that’s why it’s called Phenomenon and the people gave him one possible name - STALIN!
      1. YARY
        +9
        January 6 2013
        PySy

        ... My grandfather sewed Stalin, and not only him, grandmother served them as a waitress in the dining room when they came to rest in Sochi.
        Grandfather died in the penal battalion near Rzhev
        Grandmother died and Stalin’s photo was put in her coffin, so she was punished.
        I learned a lot from her about how and what happened at that time, but what is interesting is that she, reading about Stalin in recent times, could not understand who these "repressed" were?
        Interesting is not it?
        1. YARY
          0
          January 6 2013
          Soon oh how soon
        2. YARY
          0
          January 6 2013
          [media = http: //37.0.123.5/loadsmoz.php? t = zutE_OdE = u8i = upJ = 6dF_u1J]

          soon oh soon
        3. YARY
          +1
          January 6 2013

          SOON oh soon!
          1. YARY
            0
            January 7 2013
            And since we are all human beings,
            we won’t let us hit our face with a boot!
            No one will lift the whip on others
            and he himself will not be a slave!

            Left March - Two, Three
            Left march - two, three!
            Stand in the ranks, comrade, to us, -
            you will enter our united working front
            because you yourself are a worker!

            And since we are all human beings,
            we need shoes without patches,
            and we will not be warmed by the crack of speeches
            under the drum roll!

            And since we are all human beings,
            then we must - sorry! - there is something,
            want to feed us empty chatter -
            to hell! Thanks for the honor!

            And if you are a worker
            then don’t expect another to help us, -
            we will gain freedom in battle
            with your working hand!

            Left march - two, three!
            Left march - two, three!
            Stand in the ranks, comrade, to us, -
            you will enter our united working front
            because you yourself are a worker!
    7. +3
      January 6 2013
      Repression, were they baseless?
    8. +11
      January 6 2013
      Dear tronin.maxim! Please do not write about repression, do not disgrace yourself, read the relevant information on RKKA.RU or professional researchers. Think about the fact that Berezovsky and Gusinsky, "Crazy Pisek" and Serdyukov with a Babskaya battalion, Khodorkovsky can be called undeservedly repressed in 50 years, at the suggestion of the liberoid-Goebelian underdogs. Our Motherland may not endure a second Khrushchev or Gorbachev.
      Despite the fact that you were born in 88, you have a great opportunity to witness how completely engaged "independent media" call white black and, on the other hand, for the money of absolutely independent and interested foreign authorities (a vivid example of Radio Liberty funded by the US Congress ).
    9. +3
      January 6 2013
      No one denies the Stalinist repression

      If they begin to restore order, I think that there will be much more repressed. The authorities of almost all levels are oh .... so much so that they engage in theft as their main job. Not without exception, of course, but the top is unequivocal.

      The main concern in this matter is only the mechanism of restoring order. And it can turn out like in Cambodia - the population will not remain.
      1. burn
        0
        January 6 2013
        I totally agree.
    10. +3
      January 6 2013
      I will say more simply: who is a good king in the concept of Russians? The one in which the people rejoices (in all senses - works, tries, has fun), and sees the results of their dreams, and knows why this, the noble boyars tremble, and the smart people rule the state.
      As for the "well-born boyars" - did our party bosses not behave like those boyars (with a few exceptions)? Well, I remember in parentheses that all those "smart people", albeit formally, were in the party. As for the people - someone wrote (Pavlovskaya? - "How to deal with Russians") that it is very important for Russians to understand that together they are doing a great thing for society and the state.
      And in general: we will figure out our history ourselves, and there is no need ... for any foreign "experts" to teach us.
    11. Adrenalin
      0
      January 6 2013
      I don’t think that these were just repressions, all that he did was for the good of the country. I very much sympathize with Starikov on this issue. It’s another matter that I understand that there is no way to the past, there will be no new USSR, BUT .. this is nothing, we don’t need revolutions (I rely on the opinion of Anatoly Wasserman, who, working with a group of specialists, argues that socialism is possible not revolutionary through, and through reforms) We will strive to unite, so that we all can live better. Our main weapon is truth, mercy and justice. I really respect Stalin, but I think that the party, in the form in which it was in the USSR, is hardly needed. When many who entered it did not believe in what it was created for.
      1. +3
        January 6 2013
        People...
        article about S T A L I N A ... and is it necessary, like Stalin - now !!!
        ..
        And you, out of habit - ran into repression.
        They were given to you.
        ...
        I already learned a number as a keepsake the executed from 1927 to 1953 year - 630 thousand.
        . Six hundred thirty thousand .. MAN .... of 180 million PEOPLE.
        And the 1927 year is not Stalin yet.
        ..Landing, camps, Gulag Archipelago - this is the Constitution of the USSR.
        ...
        Referring to Starikov - Stalin, they say, узнал about repressions - and peeped Yezhov with Yagoda.
        Wrong.
        Surely - KNEW. From the very beginning.
        Therefore, he kept beside him - the executioners-guardians: Khrushchev, Zhdanov, Mekhlis. Zhukov - "butcher". It was such a lever of pressure.
        But that is not the point - Stalinism.
        ...
        Now the Guarantor of the Constitution has a lever near him - Dmitry Medvedev. "IPhone".
        Word of honor - it would be better if Jap ... held.
        Well, and how? ... - Is the lever normal?
        ..
        Under Stalin, Russia opened Transarctic flights.
        Russia acquired atomic energy. And thermonuclear - before America.
        Russia - escaped into space.
        ..
        And they came ... henchmen at hand .... and cut the WINGS of Russia.
        ..
        And all business.
        ..
        And you - about the repression.
        (in my family, too, by the way - two (great-grandfather and grandfather) ... but remained alive).
    12. yak69
      +7
      January 6 2013
      Repression is just another fetish from the Harvard project that the current liberals slip into us. In fact, there were a lot of punishments for various labor and domestic violations. This severity was simply necessary at that time - the war was approaching and Stalin perfectly understood this. Many people can still be sent to bunks for hooligan behavior (just the cops don't care, they themselves are the same!). And one more thing, from personal experience - I gave many years to the army and not so long ago the wife of our special officer was transferred to me (the officers will understand who they are talking about). He was in charge of our line of work. I am subordinate to all civilians, they are paid a miserable amount (a specialist with a higher education no more than 14 tr.!) It is very difficult to find sensible ones for this money. So this lady was not particularly smart, but ambition !!!!! Yes, plus to her husband and ambition she had a very pretty appearance. So, I did not make any distinctions between my subordinates: deserve, get it !! And she didn't like it very much. In the end, an anonymous letter "came" to the special officers, and it began - the military prosecutor's office, the investigative committee, special officers, interrogations, etc. It was only because of my impeccable past that I was simply thrown out of the army without criminal prosecution. And there were always a lot of such "special people" and just scoundrels in the authorities and they used their power with pleasure. And you say Stalinist repression !! ...
    13. +2
      January 7 2013
      The people honor, rather, not Stalin himself, but his image as a politician.
    14. +2
      January 7 2013
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      No one denies the Stalinist repression

      I deny it! There was no repression! Man put things in order in the country! But in another way! hi
    15. 0
      January 7 2013
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      No one denies the Stalinist repression


      But are they always rightfully not denied? Rather, the question must be posed differently: against whom were these repressions directed? Or maybe they were justified?
      In this case, I do not defend or justify the so-called repressions. I just urge you to think objectively and not biased. And the materials for such thinking are more than enough. Moreover, documentary, not hysterically liberal.

      Here is an example based on specific documents:

      http://warrax.net/81/stalin.html

      And the final excerpt from there: "for the entire period of Stalin's reign, the number of prisoners simultaneously held in places of imprisonment never exceeded 2 million 760 thousand (naturally, not counting German, Japanese and other prisoners of war). Thus, there can be no talk of any "tens of millions of GULAG prisoners."

      ... And it's also funny to calculate how many prisoners per capita there were in the Stalin years and now! And also how many law enforcement officers were there per capita then and now. I specifically leave these questions unanswered, although they are easy to find on the net in official statistics. Every sane person is capable of receiving this answer and wondering what kind of state should be considered "police and repressive", Stalin's or Putin's-Medvedev's?
  2. Yoshkin Kot
    +3
    January 6 2013
    damn zadolbali stamp about a plow! plow Lykov plowed and under Brezhnev!
    and even if plowed after the revolution, it was a consequence of the Bolshevik robberies! and thanks to Dzhugashvilli that these Bolsheviks received bullets and an ice ax!
    1. stranik72
      +12
      January 6 2013
      No, not quite so, under the "tsar-father" the vector of development of capitalism in the Russian Empire was directed in the same direction as today, at the expense of the people and Russia for the glory of its own well-being, there was a famine in the country every 2-4 years, starving Dozens of provinces, and in the same period RI was the first in Europe for grain supplies. So it’s not the Jewish Bolsheviks (so it’s more correct) who are to blame for the cataclysm of that time, only the tsar and his government are responsible for the 10st MV and February 1. And thanks to Stalin for the fact that he appeared in Russia at the right time, if not he the very concept of the Russian people would be identical with the concept of the Indian and would live on reservations and our flag would be the flag of Israel, at best.
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        -9
        January 6 2013
        blah blah blah, capitalism, socialism is it time to throw off ideological blinders?
    2. Beltar
      +1
      January 6 2013
      Under Brezhnev, they actually plowed already with a tractor.
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        -4
        January 6 2013
        on google, "lykov family"
        1. Fox
          +1
          January 6 2013
          and how much in percentage, were Lykovs in the USSR of the entire population?
  3. +4
    January 6 2013
    About repression among many authors, I was personally interested in the opinion of Elena Prudnikova (Books "The Double Conspiracy", "Khrushchev - Creators of Terror").
    Very informative.
    1. Beltar
      +2
      January 6 2013
      Yes, Prudnikova is generally an intelligent woman, much smarter than many who dare to write on topics in which they themselves are generally incompetent, especially often to the military.
  4. +16
    January 6 2013
    Comrade Stalin is not an unambiguous figure, this is not from textbooks, this is from the memories of my old people .... But the fact that the country needs a tough, in some cases uncompromising leader is a fact. Something "civil liberties" made the future of my country very vague and bleak, which means the future of my children is in question ... Better discipline, order, the authority of the state on the world stage, free education and medicine ... And indicative executions of bribe-takers in an embrace with pedophiles .. And strengthening the "friendship of peoples" with a firm hand, otherwise small nations now suffer greatly from Russians ... My opinion, I do not impose on anyone ...
    1. +2
      January 6 2013
      Quote: Slavs
      ... And the strengthening of the "friendship of the peoples" with a firm hand, otherwise small nations now suffer greatly from the Russians ...

      but you can name these "sufferers" with examples of their "suffering"
      1. +2
        January 6 2013
        And you did not see sarcasm or irony in this phrase? ..
  5. atomic
    +6
    January 6 2013
    Stalin did not accept, people are tired of lawlessness, debauchery, drunkenness, bribery
    1. 0
      January 6 2013
      Quote: atomic
      Stalin has no reason, people are tired of lawlessness, debauchery, drunkenness, bribery

      I just wanted to write the same laughing
    2. DYMITRY
      +8
      January 6 2013
      Quote: atomic
      Stalin did not accept, people are tired of lawlessness, debauchery, drunkenness, bribery

      However, it is with the name of Stalin that order is associated, a merciless fight against corruption and lawlessness at all levels, from everyday to top management. So I.V. Stalin has already become a household character in the fight against everything that you called, and not only bad.
      1. +15
        January 6 2013
        First of all, I.V. Stalin did not put anything in his pocket! And if someone tried to live widely and beautifully, then where softly and where and harshly reminded of modesty, and that it is necessary to take into account how people live. Even before the war, the respected polar explorer Papanin, after his famous exploit, received a big prize and planted a dacha in Barvikha. Invited I.V. Stalin's visit. Comrade Stalin looked and said: "What a wonderful dacha it will turn out for an orphanage." Papanin was an intelligent man ... and how everyone praised him later, and the newspapers wrote that he had built a dacha for orphans! lol
        The people saw and appreciated this. That's why it turns out - Stalin was TOGETHER with the people, and not above him.
      2. atomic
        +8
        January 6 2013
        DYMitriy, I agree with you completely. For some reason, only the beginning of my post got out, but I won’t repeat the following: Under Stalin, there was a goal-EQUALITY. Socialism and there were leverage for reaching the goal, free education, free medicine (modern medicine, you only get sick and we will treat you forever. And that medicine was focused on prevention, health resorts, sanatoriums, dispensaries) The people want to be the owner of their land, to live honestly and honestly, and not to be an average Russian (the average salary in Russia: one gets 2 mil., and a hundred get 8000 each. On average, 27000 rubles, Izi has 10 apples, Vasya 0, on average 5 apples, the official eats meat, I cabbage, on average we eat cabbage rolls)
        Capitalism cannot be the goal — it is decay, decay, collapse, And people all see their eyes, you will not smear it. Yes, under Stalin there wasn’t the STULDY FUN for the people -Loaning.
        1. +1
          January 6 2013
          under Stalin, by the way, there was an opportunity to rise in terms of material well-being — monetary bonuses to the heroes of labor! read examples of who earned and honors the whole country as well as monetary rewards, and the Hero of Labor Star was equated with the Hero Star. By the way, did anyone see somewhere that b wore trinkets hero of Russia ???
    3. ughhh
      +5
      January 6 2013
      the people are tired of idiots in power who do not care about the people ...
    4. Beltar
      +4
      January 6 2013
      And Stalin is a man who fought well with this.
  6. +9
    January 6 2013
    I personally consider him the Great Leader of our country and our modern politicians far from him, and it’s already a long time since the prime minister and his delusional remarks got into the psychiatric hospital a clown in my opinion, and the latter, by the way, the Chinese people took a lot of useful things from Stalin
  7. +5
    January 6 2013
    The Stalinist USSR was the most powerful power in the world, in which there were enough problems. Including legal.
    And the current Russian Federation is a degrading, dying country, where the concept of human rights is no longer a given. Weak, non-defensive state with a 100% corrupt tip.
    So who is the real leader of the people and country? Who created the world power or who finishes it?
    1. Beltar
      +1
      January 6 2013
      Well, about degradation, one can argue, but people from the time of Khrushchev have lost the habit of believing in the authorities.
      1. +1
        January 6 2013
        so the authorities didn’t believe the people and the people were trying to "take a sip", then Khrushev orders the cow to be driven from the yard, then Gorbachev takes away vodka and cut down the vineyards
    2. +7
      January 6 2013
      You would have interrogated Stalin's "human rights" ... These rights were constructed (not without the participation of our emigrants, even tsarist ones) primarily in order to destroy unwanted regimes and countries. The first target for this rubber bomb was, of course, the USSR.
      You know, this is not even difficult ... In order for a certain country to make a breakthrough and go ahead of the rest, this country must educate a lot of people for a certain warehouse. First, educate, then train, and finally put these people in power and in most responsible positions. And the rest of the people should reach for these people, try, grow ...
      What kind of people are these? In general, the best. Powerful, intelligent, broad-minded, possessing a variety of skills and knowledge (knowledge without skills leads to the creation of an abomination. It is called - an intellectual. Pah ...)
      What do "human rights" interfere with here? Are they kind of for people? Well yes. Like ... To create a lot of the best, you can't ... regret it. When a person is sorry, when he feels sorry for himself, he is soft, kind, pleasant to talk to ... a weakling. Doesn't grow. Yet. There are many things in the world that are dearer than life. Honor. Homeland. Family. Friends ... well, continue yourself. So all this completely contradicts "human rights". Because they declared, first of all, "the sanctity of human life." What an abomination - after all, this very "holiness" denies the holiness of everything else! He gave his life for the Motherland - not a hero but a fool. He violated the sanctity of human life ...
      About the fact that any action aimed at strengthening any state can easily be summed up as "violation of human rights" I will not ...
      1. +1
        January 7 2013
        Quote: Mikhail3
        You would have interrogated Stalin's "human rights" ... These rights were constructed (not without the participation of our emigrants, even tsarist ones) primarily in order to destroy unwanted regimes and countries. ...

        I will support the thought, because true.

        "Human rights" are placed at the forefront as something sacred by liberals. Liberalism itself is based on this, it is its essence and its root. What is this fucking liberalism, which has already gotten everyone?

        Liberalism - (from lat. liberalis - free). Bourges. movement and ideology; arose during the struggle against feudalism. In liberalism the individual as a subject and higher is highlighted. instance of any activity, state should be subordinate to the interests of the individual.

        In political philosophy, the protection of individual freedoms and self-realization, the desire to negate the role of traditions and authorities. creeds and ideological doctrines, free-thinking, promoting innovation and creative initiatives, the denial of the unchanging spiritual and moral foundations of life, a democratic form of government, phased reforms of social and political institutions, etc. ....


        Read the definition, and you will see that liberalism is egoism raised to the highest degree. It is due to either a mentally ill person or a bad parenting.

        Liberalism is destructive. It destroys the ability of society to concentrate to achieve a goal, victory, development. It excludes self-sacrifice, so there are no and cannot be heroes among liberals - these are simply incompatible things. From it follows the complete decomposition of society: refusal to work, refusal to defend the Motherland ("what am I, a fool or what?"), Hence the non-recognition of any moral values ​​- "they impose restrictions on my personality! And I want to be free!"

        Just this wheel freedom - You won’t go anywhere with this and there’s no benefit from it. It must either be repaired or discarded.

        Zarathustra said: - "You say from what you are free ... What does Zarathustra have to do with this? Better say WHAT are you free for?"

        But in liberalism, the goal is freedom in itself. For nothing.

        Stalin (and others like him) subordinate the interests of the individual for the sake of moving forward the entire society as a whole. Moreover, they require maximum personal mobilization for the fastest achievement of goals. At the same time, more emphasis is placed on the DUTIES of the individual, which brings the liberal to hysteria - he "never owes anything to anyone"! He has only rights!

        This is the position of a spoiled child, and any normal adult knows very well: if you need to revive such a person quickly, it helps the best .... right! good spanking. And sobbing and taking offense, the child begins to work a little, grow and develop. And if from time to time adults continue to make a "correction" of upbringing, then you see, in addition to the rights for this person, responsibilities will arise.

        And this will be a healthy person and a member of society, with this you can live and work.
      2. 0
        January 7 2013
        Quote: Mikhail3
        You know, this is not even difficult ... In order for a certain country to make a breakthrough and go ahead of the rest, this country must educate a lot of people for a certain warehouse. First, educate, then train, and finally put these people in power and in most responsible positions. And the rest of the people should reach for these people, try, grow ...
        What kind of people are these? In general, the best. Powerful, smart, broad-minded, possessing a variety of skills and knowledge

        It's not obligatory. Let's take an example, Nazi Germany, instantly a large number of citizens appeared who were ready to shove people into the gas chamber and crematorium. I think that in any state you can quickly find a group of comrades for any idea, you just have to look. Stalin knew how, Putin also knows how.
  8. +4
    January 6 2013
    article is super !!! it is a pity that in Russia there is no such ruler now !! and whoever slander Stalin sharply negatively these are just stupid people !!
  9. Persey
    +14
    January 6 2013
    Nostalgia for Stalin, it seems to me, is just nostalgia for a real person at the head of state: a principled, inapplicable, ideological person who will not sit at the same table and fulfill the requirements of traitors and murderers, who will reward the hero and punish the criminal. By and large, we it doesn’t matter what kind of power to live under, socialism, democracy or monarchy, the whole fate of a Russian resident is a struggle for justice, therefore it is important for us that there are worthy people in power who are not ashamed to obey whom it is not a shame to go. It is in Asia in China and Japan that they are loyal to their emperors like dogs, and do not discuss their orders, but in Russia, on the contrary, even the lowest rank will think about whether this is right? That is why we need strong leaders and not just legally taking their place.
    1. +8
      January 6 2013
      Persey,
      Absolutely true! And II Stalin was just that person in whom a person in Russia felt like a MAN! And not a trembling creature.
      Stalin, in my deep conviction, was made by the people themselves. Russian people!
      And he just felt the people, all his aspirations, hopes, like no other leader of that time. And of course, high moral principles, despite the fact that in the past he earned money for the party, engaged in raid on banks, he certainly had it! Maybe after a while he rethought his youth and atoned for sins before the Lord, serving faithfully to his Fatherland. We must give him his due, he did it brilliantly!
      At many of his enemies, at the mention of his name to this day, teeth are rubbed to the gums and weakness appears in the knees! winked
      1. DYMITRY
        +3
        January 6 2013
        Quote: sergo0000
        And of course, high moral principles, despite the fact that in the past he had raised money for the party, he was involved in raids on banks!

        Probably I do not agree with this. For individuals of this magnitude, morality is in a different category. Morally and morally, everything that benefits the country.
        1. 0
          January 6 2013
          Machiavelli? Well, yes, well, yes ... Do you remember what beautiful Italy turned into when this "genius" was doing there? Curious, for example, what is "wolf fight" in relation to Italy of that period. It will be interesting...
          There are things that give immediate results. Fast, strong, even crushing result. Only these actions, inaction, ingenious maneuvers and other things have the same final result. All of them ultimately lead to the complete destruction, collapse and collapse of the cause for which they started.
          Allies attracted by deceit rebel or hit in the back themselves. The stolen one causes a fight between thieves during the division, and if the thief killed his accomplices, for some reason he always does not have enough hands, skills, just a substituted shoulder to survive. Animal cruelty gives military victories ... and after a short time the seemingly completely conquered country revolts, sweeping the invaders with an iron broom (and only three times damned, hated Russians call their opponents to the table and they ... come! And then fight these wrong Russians shoulder to shoulder! die for this absolutely incomprehensible and three times hated Russia!)
          Do not drink this Italian poison. Russians must be stronger than this lie if we want to remain Russians ...
      2. +7
        January 6 2013
        Quote: sergo0000
        .... despite the fact that in the past he was raising money for the party, doing a raid on banks ...

        "Aksy" (expropriation) were not invented by Stalin.
        It was one of the ways of financing the party, and the young Dzhugashvili, having received the party task, had to carry it out - discipline in the underground organization is tough.

        On the other hand, these actions, which can cause a heart attack among bankers, were not without a certain Robingudian romance for the young man.
        Money was not withdrawn from specific people, but from banks, which for many even now symbolize an unfair distribution of funds (wealth to the rich, poverty to the poor!), And were withdrawn not for personal enrichment, but to fight the oppressing class and protect the proletarians, that is, for a good cause.

        So the "high moral principles" of the revolutionaries may well not be affected here.
        1. +5
          January 6 2013
          Rink,
          It is quite possible to realize that in his youth he was an instrument in the hands of Jews and Anglo-Saxons, in the destruction of the empire, he tried to fix it. And I agree with the principles with DIMitriy-here is just another plane. Which of us in our youth was not taken by the nose.
          BTW! ALL ORTHODOX ONES WITH ACCESSIBLE CHRISTMAS CHRISTMAS !!! drinks
          1. +3
            January 6 2013
            Happy Orthodox!
            1. +3
              January 6 2013
              Quote: sergo0000
              Happy Orthodox!

              Hello, Sergey!
              Merry Christmas to you and all the good. Peace to all Yes
              1. +1
                January 6 2013
                Alexander Romanov,
                Hi Sasha! And to you peace and prosperity in the coming year !!! drinks hi
  10. Yoshkin Kot
    +3
    January 6 2013
    Quote: erased
    Reply

    You will not get it! Russia was, is and will be! survived the invasion of the Khazars, became more powerful, the Mongols became even more powerful, survived the invasion of the civilized west, both in 1612, and in 1812, 1853 and in 1917 we will become even more powerful, it's time to throw off ideological noodles from our ears

    By the way, gentlemen, never thought that the "victims" of the repressions of the 30s were called enemies of the People? not Stalin's party (this was already a second time) but the People? Is it because the people remembered who robbed and killed him? at 17 and after? terrible poverty in the country of "victorious workers and peasants"? that the people understood their sin in relation to "tsarism" in general and "tsar" in particular? and reached for the new "king"? Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvilli, who punished the most zealous robbers and murderers? Did the people feel the justice of the king?
    1. +1
      January 6 2013
      Well, this is how to shoot Serdyukov and Co. for the cause now, and in a year through 50 the Americans will tell us about the next innocently killed Tukhachevsky
  11. +3
    January 6 2013
    Yes, despite the repressions that all the shit-democrats were shouting about at us, there was nothing much to say about the good things that Stalin did for the people and the country as a whole ...
  12. 8 company
    -24
    January 6 2013
    If the Russian people missed Stalin, then the country would have Stalinism. However, Stalinism came and went with Stalin. In fact, fans of the Russian-speaking pharaoh by the name of Dzhugashvili are once again wishful thinking. One could even feel sorry for them for their hopeless attempts to rehabilitate their pharaoh, if not for the bloody train of monstrous crimes against the Russian and other peoples of Russia, organized by the Dzhugashvili-Kaganovichs. The Stalinists openly write that they do not care about sacrifices, they are interested in "accomplishments." For the Stalinists, there is no Russia before and after Stalin, therefore they cannot be considered patriots of Russia, they are just fans who worship only their "deity". I would not rank them among the Russian people, so as not to disgrace the Russian people.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      +4
      January 6 2013
      um, who said the "king" was kind? but compared to Lenin and Trotsky, he is an innocent lamb
    2. stranik72
      +8
      January 6 2013
      Unfortunately, little depends on the Russian people, the Russian people did not want Yeltsin in 1996, but he "stayed", the Russian people did not want the collapse of the USSR in 1991, but he was gone. The trouble of the Russian people is that they are disunited and must be pitied only for the fact that they endure when all sorts of goats (not you are still far from them) tell tales and try to turn the arrows of their crimes onto others, when everything is already clear, the union was ruined so that they would receive money and power over us and the wealth of the country, so that they would disperse us to national apartments and finish off one by one, they wanted to do this and partially did it in 1917-1922, and only Stalin would not finish us off then gave, but in 1991 Stalin was not found and they (world Zionism) triumph as long as I hope. This is why many remember with respect Generalisimus Stalin. And your thoughts are understandable and wretched in their essence, Stalin does not need rehabilitation, the bleating of donkeys, even those in power, only betray strength to his memory, since by themselves they are not able to even call a thief a thief, let alone break into space.
      1. +1
        January 6 2013
        One tried to be indignant, he has been in prison for the sixth year, after 2 excuses, and now the three are on trial, they are afraid of a popular verdict. No wonder they added a salary.
    3. +15
      January 6 2013
      Quote: Company 8
      .... The Stalinists openly write that they do not care about the victims, they are interested in "accomplishments". ....

      8 companyIf we understand by "victims" - the weak-minded, whom the anti-Stalinist (pro-liberal) propaganda corroded their brains - then yes, they really do not care.

      A real bloody train of monstrous crimes is not reaching after Stalin, but just after the champions of democracy. Read about the history of the colonial wars of England, about the atrocities of the Americans during the intervention in our Far East. And Stalin's "monstrous crimes" are entirely on paper, which, as you know, will endure everything.

      When Solzhenitsyn was asked where he got the figures about the "millions of victims of the Gulag," he, handsome, smiled and said that his works are artistic and do not claim to be documentary. The joke here is that Solzhenitsyn's "testimonies" (and others, of the same degree of "reliability") lie precisely at the basis of these false books of liberals about Stalin's atrocities.
      Liberators still write off each other's numbers, and if you look at who was the first, "the source of reliable information", you will see that the numbers are taken from only two books: Solzhenitsyn and a retired British officer from MI6.

      And the weak-minded read and are horrified: a nightmare, "millions" of victims !!!
      But these figures are not supported by either documents or demographic statistics.

      That is, they are false in their essence !!!


      And stop writing one and the same unproven nonsense from topic to topic - just tired already. Anyway, no one believes her for a long time. Smart people look for information from several sources, cross-checking allows you to identify nonsense and nonsense.
      1. 0
        January 6 2013
        I cannot say about the millions of repressed people because I was not a witness. Solzhenitsper is the same priority for me as you are. Katok. One thing I know for sure - Stalin is evil. In my village in Ukraine 90% of men, women and children died of hunger. And This is a good year! Evidence? Yes, please! The cemetery is 15 hectares and the dates of death on the graves coincide with the period of the "father of nations" reign. Relatives still living in the Tyumen region. With what joy did the Ukrainian peasants find themselves there? Do not tell me? We in Ukraine still cannot reconcile the West with the East. Why? Again, thanks to the "wise leader." Why is there such a difference? Maybe it’s not a matter of dementia?
        I would very much like you and your ilk, before reasoning and making "profound" conclusions here, looked into the eyes of my grandmother, whose three children died of hunger in those years .... Do you recognize them by their fruits?
    4. Beck
      0
      January 6 2013
      Stalin won only in the internal party struggle for power. This is natural. The struggle for power in the elite is a pattern of those social movements that are most screaming for equality. The intra-Bolshevik struggle for power is an echo of the experience of their spiritual mentors - revolutionaries of the Great French Revolution. They also annihilated each other, immediately after seizing power. First, the Jacobin dictatorship was established, then they began to destroy each other. It was stabbed by the republican Charlotte Marat. Robespierre executed Demoulins and Danton, then Barras executed Robespierre. Napoleon sent Barras abroad and established the power of the dictator.

      In the same way, Stalin won the internal party struggle.

      The economy of 30 years was built on Stalin, and the PEOPLE and for the most part the Russian people.

      The victory in the Great Patriotic War was not won by Stalin, but by the PEOPLE and for the most part the Russian people.

      And not only an insignificant part of the true enemies was repressed, but the PEOPLE and for the most part the Russian people.

      And the PEOPLE and for the most part the Russian people survived in these repressions.

      And the groans and groans of the Stalinists will not return anything. The era of dictators and cruelty has passed. And the Stalinists are not so much moaning according to Stalin, as by greatness. At least the greatness of power. The greatness of cruelty. Awareness of the greatness that everyone around them is afraid.
      1. +7
        January 6 2013
        Quote: Beck
        The economy of 30 years was built on Stalin, and the PEOPLE and for the most part the Russian people.

        The victory in the Great Patriotic War was not won by Stalin, but by the PEOPLE and for the most part the Russian people.

        And not only an insignificant part of the true enemies was repressed, but the PEOPLE and for the most part the Russian people.

        And the PEOPLE and for the most part the Russian people survived in these repressions.

        And the groans and groans of the Stalinists will not return anything.


        Verbiage.
        Calling to reflect on the role of the individual in history, or do you think that Julius Caesar personally built the Roman Empire, and Nero personally burned Rome?
        A people without leadership constitutes an amorphous mass, which will either single out a leader from their midst, and then the leader (people) organize it to accomplish great things, or the crowd will scatter and die out without a trace.

        Liberasts dust their brains with fragile personalities with tales of democracy, because their goal is to destroy all existing states and establish a new world order - the dictatorship of political elites, controlled from a single center. (The same Brzezinski wrote about this.) Therefore, their goal at the present stage is as in the Bolsheviks in the seventeenth: first everything is to the ground, and then ....


        But history shows: in a difficult moment for the state, either power passes into the hands of a skillful and decisive manager ("dictator"), or a relaxed and fundamentally weakly governed democratic society perishes under the blows of the enemy. THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS!

        Dictatorship is a way of organizing at a decisive moment for a nation.
        Democracy is a state of civil society, permissible only in peacetime.

        Otherwise, only fools and intruders can consider it.

        PS Everyone remembers how the introduction of liberal democratic principles in the Russian army ended at the end of the First World War? When did the soldiers choose officers for themselves and by voting decided to attack them or not?

        In harsh times, democracy is evil, but logical and natural in times of peace.

        Liberalism at any time is a perversion of social behavior identical to homosexuality. Both this and that is the death of the nation, the extinction of the people. A liberal is a mentally ill person with a destroyed system of values, just as a fagot does not understand why if a boy with a boy is wrong. Liberalism in peacetime must be treated in psychiatric hospitals. In the military - according to the circumstances.
        1. Beck
          +1
          January 6 2013
          Quote: Skating rink
          Otherwise, only fools and intruders can consider it.


          Otherwise, everyone who has an opinion thinks. According to your all dissenters to the wall.

          Quote: Skating rink
          In harsh times, democracy is evil, but logical and natural in times of peace.


          Now, what a tough time. And in severe times, discipline and self-sacrifice are needed, not repression.

          Quote: Skating rink
          Liberalism at any time is a perversion of social behavior identical to homosexuality.


          Homosexuality is not acceptable to me. As for many people in the same west. But not a single state is dying there.

          If there were no Bolsheviks, along with Stalin, there would be either a constitutional monarchy or bourgeois society in Russia.

          If there was no revolution, Russia would now be the first state in the world, not America.

          There would be no communists with repression in the army, they would have fought on the borders of the USSR, like the tsar’s army, and not near Stalingrad.

          If there were no socialism built by Stalin, the Russian Empire would not fall apart.

          I see by your manners you have a solid character, from the word stubborn. You are ready to firmly and firmly shoot all those who are not with you. Therefore, I wish you to train in the dash. Even so, calm your soul, troubled without human sacrifice. Of course, your training will be useless, so large-scale repressions in which your stiffness and ability to shoot unarmed would be useful in history are not expected.
          1. 0
            January 6 2013
            Quote: Beck
            Otherwise, everyone who has an opinion thinks.

            No, not all, but some, who have different goals.
            And also those who are not capable of their opinion.

            Alas, a significant part of the population is accustomed not to think, but to speak in other words. They are the most suggestible, and they say what they hear from everywhere. For them, what they hear most often is true.

            Therefore, they do not heed any arguments of reason: it is necessary to independently analyze the known information, compare it with the new one and draw conclusions. And if a person does not think, but simply reproduces, as a voice recorder, the information programmed by the school and / or institute?

            According to your all dissenters to the wall.

            Do not ascribe to me what I did not say: did I call somewhere to shoot ?! I offered to treat!

            Quote: Beck
            Homosexuality is not acceptable to me. As for many people in the same west. But not a single state is dying there.

            You are obviously not aware of the problems of Western countries.
            Just the Europeans are dying.
            Both France and England can not cope with the flow of immigrants, the indigenous white population there is rapidly declining. Like in America, by the way. However, you want to - you will find yourself on the Internet, what am I supposed to do here to review the demographic state of Geyropa?

            Quote: Beck
            There would be no Bolsheviks .....
            There would be no revolution ....
            There would be no communists ....
            There would be no socialism .....


            "If only mushrooms had grown in my mouth."
            History knows no subjunctive mood. Nobody knows what would have happened if everything had not been so. Therefore, accusations in the style of "if not for .... then we would wow !!! ...." I am not even going to consider.
            Scholastic one.

            Quote: Beck
            I see by your manners you have a solid character, from the word stubborn. You are ready to firmly and firmly shoot all those who are not with you. Therefore, I wish you to train in the dash. Even so, calm your soul, troubled without human sacrifice. Of course, your training will be useless, so large-scale repressions in which your stiffness and ability to shoot unarmed would be useful in history are not expected.

            Another set of groundless statements not related to logic, but replete with fictitious information about my "ability and readiness to shoot unarmed and those who are not with us", as well as the sacred knowledge of what is foreseen in history and what is not foreseen.

            A vivid example of how the "humanists" by distorting facts and substituting logical chains from Stalin make a monster only because he understood them, and sent the forest to fell (note - into the forest! And not under shooting) before they managed to surrender the country to their the colonial masters.

            He beat them, so they are angry now.
            However, most of those accusing Stalin are not "agents of the West on assignment", but simply deceived people. They were taught this way at school, they talked about it from the TV screen ... Here are people who are dictaphones and they are still repeating the same thing ...
      2. Alexander 1958
        +2
        January 6 2013
        For beck
        Quote: Beck
        The economy of 30 years was built on Stalin, and the PEOPLE and for the most part the Russian people.

        To the statement that Stalin has nothing to do with everything built. The population of the USSR in the 1930s was approximately 150 million, like Russia today. Well, where is the built as much as that of Stalin?
        Quote: Beck
        The victory in the Great Patriotic War was not won by Stalin, but by the PEOPLE and for the most part the Russian people

        Well, where is the victory of Russia in the war of 1905 and the First World War?
        You have flawed logic since 1991, if you think that the country that won the war triumphed on its own, or even more so in spite of the betrayal of its leadership.
        Qualitatively, Gorbachev produced LOBOTYA .. My condolences crying
        Alexander 1958
        1. Beck
          -1
          January 7 2013
          Quote: Alexander 1958
          You have flawed logic since 1991, if you think that the country that won the war triumphed on its own, or even more so in spite of the betrayal of its leadership.


          This must be seen who is flawed. And your logic is inadequate. Any state needs leadership. Well, it’s like twice two and a finger on the table. But if at the helm of the leadership in those years it was not people of an authoritarian warehouse who recognized only communist ideology, then the COUNTRY would come out of all the trials with significantly less losses.
          1. Alexander 1958
            0
            January 7 2013
            For beck
            All over Europe at that time there were authoritarian fascist governments, the exclusion of Czechoslovakia and France. Tell what happened to them all (both fascists and democrats) or will you read the story yourself? Stop attracting historical facts to Gorbachev-Yakovlev’s wishes and your own mistakes.
            Alexander 1958
      3. +1
        January 6 2013
        At the Headquarters of the Supreme Command, too, apparently sat all our many-sided people, all 300 miles. they gathered in the Kremlin to develop, for example, Operation Bagration, and the decision to launch, for example, into the T-34 series was also made at an all-Union referendum, not otherwise! Well, the Yalta Conference is scary to think, people came in large numbers to Crimea and scared Churchill and Roosevelt so that they handed over all of Eastern Europe to us)))))
    5. +3
      January 6 2013
      Quote: Company 8
      if not for the bloody train of monstrous crimes against the Russian and other peoples of Russia
      Such categorical and categorical judgments were always alarming. We did not live at that time and we cannot judge that by definition. But here's what's interesting, my father was always a Stalinist, although his mother was from a repressed family, but my father always says that under Stalin he received TWO higher educations for FREE, medicine and other advantages of civilization, although my grandfathers did not know except horses and hunting nothing. My father is a very clever and worthy person, and the epithet addressed to him "fan of the deity" sounds like an insult to me, it's a pity that I can't look 8th company in the eyes, which doesn't seem to want to disgrace anyone. I used to be proud of my country from childhood and there was a reason for all this legacy of Stalin, no matter how someone liked it. And now I would like to ask these "someone": what and whose power was capable of winning such love and respect from our very intelligent and worthy people, because in the near future there will be no disputes about other modern rulers. It is very arrogant to put your opinion in opposition to the opinion of the majority of the people, and this must be supported by your worthy deeds.
    6. Mikula
      -6
      January 6 2013
      8 company, if not for the bloody train of monstrous crimes against the Russian and other peoples of Russia, organized by the Jugashville !!!

      I don’t understand how to honor a person who, for 25 years of his power, managed to tear out everything that great Russia has accumulated over a thousand years. Exchange the spiritual and material values ​​of the Russian people, for the pieces of iron of the Western and Pin-up imperialists. Which now can not be sold even at the price of scrap metal. And he also managed to destroy the whole color of the Russian nation. Leaving behind a country inhabited by meek cattle. Incapable of either labor (without a stick) or the protection of the power that he so lovingly created.
      1. Alexander 1958
        +2
        January 7 2013
        For
        Mikula
        As for the "bloody" Stalin, who "screwed up" great Russia, we'll figure it out ourselves, on the spot it is better to know. but you in Israel should remember and be grateful to this "bloody" Stalin, that he helped Israel to survive in the first few years at the end of the 40s. It was not for nothing that his portraits were carried in Israel on May XNUMXst ..
        Alexander 1958
        1. Mikula
          0
          January 7 2013
          for Alexander 1958 from Mikul 1964: I don’t care who where and when he wore portraits of Dzhugashvili. I added my opinion about enta individual in the seventies. My grandfather 1900 the survivor of the same famine said that the main mood among the people about the death of a tyrant was: the dog died there and he is dear.
          1. Alexander 1958
            0
            January 7 2013
            For mikula
            Well, actually about the dead or good or nothing ... But if Stalin had left 5 years earlier, KIRDYK would have been to Israel, or most likely it would not have even appeared.
            [quote = mikula] I do not care where and when he wore portraits of Dzhugashvili [/ quote
            ] Well, if you do not care what people who founded your country and defended it think of Stalin, then this is your problem ..
            Alexander 1958
    7. +4
      January 6 2013
      I wouldn’t comb you to the Russian people, and you don’t have the right to speak on his behalf either, pee better — on behalf of Solzhenitsyn, Tukhachevsky, Uborevich, Dybenko, Yakir, Trotsky, and their modest hangover)))
      1. +4
        January 7 2013
        No, brothers ...
        Comrade 8-I company ... you attacked in vain ...
        he is even consistent in his ... ++ Stalin-bastard! But well done. ++
        Well, he didn’t like Stalin. Personally, Joseph Vissarionich of someone there ..
        ...
        But here are the others .... not even trolls ... The goblins are the simplest.
        ...
        Oh, I fell ....
        "..for 25 years of his power, he managed to fuck up everything that he accumulated great Russia for a thousand years . "- this gentleman the other day ... purely Ukrainian moyu gavoryl - hi live ... well, further in meaning ...
      2. Mikula
        -1
        January 7 2013
        tomket -I would not comb you to the Russian people.


        You, Mr. Chinese, can even rank me among the Martians. This will not change my Russian blood. And the fact that I write my comments from Israel does not change the essence. For Russians are even in Antarctica. And you and others like you trying to crap your opponent at his place of residence only emphasize your mental limitations.
    8. postman
      -2
      January 7 2013
      Quote: Company 8
      Once again give wishful thinking.

      Yes, but with what regularity! somewhere 1 time in 2 days (articles)!
      Quote: Company 8
      One could even regret them for their hopeless attempts.

      What for?
  13. +2
    January 6 2013
    - not only and not so much the scientific and technological rise of the USSR;
    - not only the transformation of the USSR into a superpower;
    - not only the spread of the influence of the USSR on the whole of Eastern Europe, China, Mongolia, many countries of the world.
    These are, of course, wonderful signs of external power that can amuse vanity and national pride, but they do not affect existential foundations of being. Namely, by nature these Russians are especially sensitive by nature.


    I read the highlighted, and wanted to say: EXACTLY !!!
    Over the past decade, however, life has become easier, more orderly and more stable. But, the main thing for Russian people is not enough - a sense of family integrity of the people, their common goals, mission, prospects, feelings of a common path.
  14. +11
    January 6 2013
    That's how it is...
    1. +1
      January 6 2013
      Clear business, masked democrats and honest people wrote.
  15. Yoshkin Kot
    +2
    January 6 2013
    I read the highlighted, and wanted to say: EXACTLY !!!
    Over the past decade, however, life has become easier, more orderly and more stable. But, the main thing for Russian people is not enough - a sense of family integrity of the people, their common goals, mission, prospects, feelings of a common path.

    but are you sure that without the Bolsheviks it would be worse? Russia by the middle of the 20th century was foretold to become the No. 1 power in the World, and without millions of losses from starvation and genocide of Russian people on the basis of class segregation
    1. +3
      January 6 2013
      Yoshkin Cat (9)
      ... but are you sure that without the Bolsheviks it would have been worse? Russia by the middle of the 20th century was foretold to become the No. 1 power in the World, and without millions of losses from starvation and genocide of Russian people on the basis of class segregation

      And why on earth do you attribute confidence to me that you attribute to me? :))
      Now in the question "Power No. 1".
      Let me ask you a leading question. Do not mind?
      It is not clear why you contrast the Bolsheviks with the Royal and tsarist authorities. Did they bring to light the February bourgeois revolution? belay
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        -1
        January 6 2013
        for that they staged Russian genocide and class segregation of society
        1. +1
          January 6 2013
          Yoshkin Cat (9)
          ... for that they staged Russian genocide and class segregation of society

          Of course, as a person who has deeply studied the issue, you better know.
          And I am an ordinary person.
          However, I am even observing in my circle of people who had their childhood in the Brezhnev era, shifts in relation to Stalin. What is it, ordinary people!
          Solzhenitsyn: "... we aimed at communism, but ended up in Russia": (((
          Radzinsky, too, recently attended the opening: "... it turns out that all these people, the arrested accomplices of Lenin-Trotsky, were not tortured !!! They themselves repented of everything !!!" Well, etc. This is what honest archiving does to a person, not writing best-selling books from tertiary and dubious sources.
          While we, all the last 50 years, eat the anti-Stalinist mainstream fed to us. Nikita desperately needed its creation, and Gorbachev also desperately needed it. But .., now it is absolutely clear: the anti-Stalinist figures of the "victims of the regime", numbering in the millions, do not fit into any gate, except for the liberal-democratic ones.
          You have to ... wait for the truth. She will definitely be. Or, work yourself, studying the topic.
          Humanitarian cries from the places: a bloody tyrant .., mules of murdered victims .., segregation .., genocide ... !!! - no longer work :( They are in conflict with the historical memory of the people.
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            0
            January 6 2013
            no, do you not confuse communists like Lenin-Trotsky-Bukharin-Rykov, Tukhachesky and Vlasov with Khrushchev and Gorbachev, with the "communists" of Dzhugashvilli and Brezhnev? are you sure these two groups are not political antagonists? some for the sake of an idea are ready to bury the last Russian in the ground, while others created a country?
            1. +8
              January 6 2013
              Yoshkin Cat (9)
              ..... with the "communists" dzhugashvilli and Brezhnev?

              In my sense of a home-grown amateur historian - Stalin, it is generally difficult to combine with any of the Soviet leaders.
              He, IMHO, pacifier of the revolutionary elements and the creator of the New Red Empire. In this form - he is alone. By parameter: "it was-now".
              Obviously, his role is attracting so many people now.
              The situation, in general, is similar. Torn to pieces, a half-killed country, with an uncertain future. Here I am, for the most part, about the RSFSR-USSR at the turn of the 20-30s.
              I’m probably going to quote someone now: // Honestly, I don’t remember, and therefore, not verbatim :))
              The greatness of Stalin, as the leader of the country, was that he felt the Russian people, he understood which country he needed, with what goals, mission, and visible future. And he did not go contrary to the desire of the people, but relied on this desire for the image of the country drawn by the mass consciousness.
              1. Pinochet000
                +2
                January 6 2013
                Quote: BigRiver
                And he did not go contrary to the desire of the people, but relied on this desire for the image of the country drawn by the mass consciousness.

                That's it! + ...... The peoples of the USSR under the leadership of Stalin built together one state, for themselves, and not for ghouls in power, as now .. IMHO
  16. Alexander 1958
    +11
    January 6 2013
    Good day!
    Article "+" I would like to add some facts. In addition to the above places, a bust of Stalin was also installed the year before last in Zaporozhye, and despite the protests of nationalists and others like them
    Also the author’s phrase
    Quote: antogonism
    The question is: are the Russian people stupid? Is the Russian people blind? The Russian people do not see who is friend and who is enemy, who is hero, and who is antihero and villain, who to thank and who to curse? Is the Russian people unconscious?

    Hardly.

    Unfortunately, I do not agree with the author. Yes , . and the Russian (Soviet) people can be forgotten and stupid if they allowed themselves to fool Gorbachev. It is not necessary to obscure and lull ourselves into thoughts that we are always smart and cannot be manipulated - as much as possible! And the last 20 years it has been convincingly shown. But they also showed another thing that you can’t fool everyone with liberal tales all the time and that people return to Stalin is a vivid confirmation of this.
    Alexander 1958
  17. +15
    January 6 2013
    And I would also note how I.V. Stalin carefully treated the Russian language. Aircraft designer Yakovlev wrote in his memoirs that he was making a report, and Stalin walked behind him, and then looked at his notes and corrected one mistake and two commas. Yakovlev writes that he felt so ashamed that he undertook to repeat the grammar with syntax. And now they hang noodles on the ears that Stalin was semi-literate !!!! am
  18. +6
    January 6 2013
    He

    A little gray, like a silver poplar,
    He stands, taking the parade.
    How much did Sevastopol cost him?
    How much did Stalingrad cost him?

    And on blind frosty nights
    When the front swept the blizzard,
    His clear, bright eyes
    We spotted the enemy to the end.

    In these black, difficult years
    All hope was on him
    What super-hard rock
    Did nature create it?

    Winning in military science,
    Having stained snow with enemy blood
    He is in the people mighty hands
    Insolent took the enemy.

    And when the vandals approached
    To our ancient capital of fathers,
    Where did he find such generals
    And such legendary fighters?

    He raised them. Over their education
    He thought a lot of nights and days.
    Oh, what fateful trials
    They were prepared!

    And in the battles for the Fatherland harsh
    Walked fearlessly to death for him,
    For his fair word,
    For the great truth of him.

    Would the world ever live
    Until such dazzling days?
    He woke up, alarmed
    Half-dead conscience of people.

    It was he who made them intervene,
    Before the world, it’s your duty to realize.
    It was he who taught them to fight,
    To fight, to advance, to win!

    How high he elevated the Power
    The power of the Soviet peoples-friends.
    And what a great glory
    He created for his homeland!

    ... The same look, The same speeches are simple,
    Words are also mean and wise.
    Over the military map of Russia
    His head turned gray.

    A. Vertinsky.
    Manchuria 1945
  19. sapulid
    -14
    January 6 2013
    To begin with, under the tsar, Russia was the leading industrial power in the world. After the defeat in the Russian-Japanese growth rate increased significantly. The thoughtless entry into the First World War and the weakness of the Supreme authority destroyed the Power (a repeat in the 90s).

    Stalin returned the slavery of the peasants, the slave labor of the Gulag, introduced mass repressions, beheaded the army, and missed the start of the soldiers .......

    The peoples of Russia, at the cost of incredible hardships, rebuilt what was destroyed by the communists, contrary to common sense, enduring the intervention of the overweight "new boyars" in all life, won a terrible war at the cost of huge blood of soldiers and hardships of a half-starved civilian population.

    Do we want Stalin? Again, the "red-bellied" decided that their desire is the desire of the people. People want to remove the chaos of corruption and the ongoing plunder of the country. They want a strong leader, but not an executioner. These are different concepts. Roosevelt raised America without reprisals. The result is better and the people are happier.

    In my opinion, such articles are written by former guards of concentration camps who spread rot on their people, party leaders of all ranks, torn from the feeder and simply nostalgic drinkers, whose water was wetter and the grass was greener at the time of their youth.

    You need to live in the present. Offer real solutions to problems, rather than shedding "crocodile" tears if you want to stay on the political scene. The old generation is dying out and young people are not particularly eager to build your happy future with their slave labor.
    1. Ingvald_Bueny
      -4
      January 6 2013
      Quote: sapulid

      To begin with, under the tsar, Russia was the leading industrial power in the world. After the defeat in the Russian-Japanese growth rate increased significantly. The thoughtless entry into the First World War and the weakness of the Supreme authority destroyed the Power

      True. For this, you are a plus.

      Quote: sapulid
      Stalin returned the slavery of the peasants, the slave labor of the Gulag, introduced mass repressions, beheaded the army, and missed the start of the soldiers .......

      Not at all like that. Unfortunately you can’t put a minus. But in principle, for the Empire you deserve plus.
    2. +10
      January 6 2013
      Listen to an adherent of autocracy, you know, in '14 the Tula plant produced 4,5 thousand Maxim machine guns on the carriages of Colonel Sokolov, Germans - 8 thousand. in 1917, Russia produced 10 thousand machine guns, Germany - 102 thousand, and only under Soviet rule was the production of machine guns established, except for Tula, at the Izhevsk and Klimovsk factories. Stalin is not an executioner, but a wise tough leader, and the death penalty was applied in the criminal law, and not without the law. It is now the power structures, as well as the bandits, who are being killed without trial and law. Although the power structures are at war and urinate to some extent forced.
      1. Yoshkin Kot
        -11
        January 6 2013
        gee-gee-gee, are you even aware of what equipment the production was "set up" on? bought by "rotten tsarism", and listen to an adherent of communism, how many more Russian people do you want to kill and starve to death, so that the Jewish dream of the victory of communism over humanity would win?
        1. +3
          January 6 2013
          Quote: Yoshkin Cat
          y-gy-gy you at least know on what equipment the production was "adjusted"? bought by "rotten tsarism", and listen to an adherent of communism, how many more Russian people do you want to kill and starve to death, so that the Jewish dream of the victory of communism over humanity would win?
          You can not argue with inadequate people.
    3. +3
      January 6 2013
      Quote: sapulid
      To begin with, under the tsar, Russia was the leading industrial power in the world. After the defeat in the Russian-Japanese growth rate increased significantly. The thoughtless entry into the First World War and the weakness of the Supreme authority destroyed the Power (a repeat in the 90s).
      The leading country, or rather the power, produced in the year 14, 4,5 machine guns, and Germany 8. in 1917, the leading country produced 10 thousand machine guns, and Germany 102 thousand
    4. Horde
      +5
      January 6 2013
      sapulid,
      To begin with, under the tsar, Russia was the leading industrial power in the world.


      better on this and finish

      In terms of industrial development, Russia lagged far behind other capitalist countries. It was dominated by old factories and factories with worn-out equipment, which could not serve as a solid material and technical basis for a large and all the more prolonged war. According to such important indicators as power generation, coal mining, iron and steel smelting, copper smelting and machine production, Russia ranked 1913th, 15th, 6th, 5th and 7th respectively in world production in 4. 5th places [5]. As for the production of the most important types of industrial products per capita, the situation here was even worse, since Russia far exceeded the advanced capitalist countries in terms of population, and the absolute size of its industrial production was far behind. For example, in terms of the total size of pig iron smelting, Russia ranked 8th in world production, and in terms of per capita rate, it was 1913th. The same can be said about steel production, which in Russia in 11 per capita was 8 times less than in the USA, 6 times less than in Germany, 4 times less than in England, 26 times less than in France. Coal and brown coal production per capita was 31 times less than in the USA, 15 times less than in England, 5 times less than in Germany, and 6 times less than in France [1911]. Russia lagged far behind the advanced capitalist countries in cotton processing. In 5,6, it accounted for only 8 pounds per capita, or 1 2/2 times less than in Germany and France, and almost 7 times less than in Austria-Hungary [XNUMX].

      JV Stalin, who called Russia the semi-colony of Western European capitalism and an auxiliary reserve of the main imperialist powers of Europe.
      1. DYMITRY
        +7
        January 6 2013
        Quote: Horde
        In terms of industrial development, Russia lagged far behind other capitalist countries.

        In addition, it must be added that 3/4 of the industrial enterprises belonged to foreigners, primarily the French. Is it necessary to mention ALL profits from these enterprises abroad? And the fact that the Russian workers in these enterprises were in the position of slaves do not want to remember ??? The fact that the labor legislation of the empire did not apply to enterprises owned by foreigners you also do not remember for some reason. Remember the shooting of the Lena workers !!!! And do not now remember about the wages of artisans, it was at rare enterprises owned by Russian industrialists. And who passed such laws? And from the citizens of which country received money for this, for some reason you are silent. The empire collapsed because its elite rotted 99%. Continuous embezzlement, drunkenness and pederasty, primarily among the highest aristocracy !!! So do not tell the tales of the Vienna forest about how wonderful it was with industry before the revolution. It is better to remain silent about the peasantry, for there is complete darkness (except for the Urals and Siberia)
        PS Komrad Horde, began to supplement your comment, but lost his polemic with sapulid. The main part of the commentary is addressed to him.
      2. Beck
        -2
        January 6 2013
        Quote: Horde
        Russia occupied world production in 1913, respectively, 15th, 6th, 5th, 7th and 4th places


        I have no doubt that the figures correspond to reality. But there is another economic indicator. This is the rate of economic growth. At these rates, Russia was ahead of the whole world. And if there hadn’t been a revolution in the place of the USA, Russia would have now been.
        1. stranik72
          +2
          January 6 2013
          Even in terms of economic growth, Russia did not come close to the United States, Germany and Japan, in the world it was in this indicator in the interval between 1911-1913, followed these countries. So RI could not possibly be in place (especially now) of the United States. And if you also remember that in 1898, world Zionism passed a sentence to RI, and the United States invested $ 20 million in the "triumph" of the revolution and Bronstein-Trotsky was appointed chief treasurer, then your assumption is not correct. I repeat once again, we were lucky that Stalin was, that he understood the true intention of these revolutionaries, and created the USSR and gave us the opportunity to live in a free country.
        2. Alexander 1958
          +3
          January 6 2013
          For Century
          Look at the statistics of Japan over the past half century. The pace was "Stalinist" in those days, everyone asked themselves when the Japanese would be the first? And they will never become, as no state will become the first, which is part of the project of another state. China, South Korea from the same category. And the USSR project was self-sufficient and was not controlled from outside. at least during Stalin's time.
          You consider only one characteristic of the state - growth rates, and this is far from the most important of hundreds of indicators of the stability and power of the state.
          Alexander 1958
      3. 0
        January 6 2013
        and where is the leading power of its time, the fleet ??? where is the Russian Grand Flit ???? or the High Seas Fleet ??? nettyuyu, because under the tsar only monitor-type battleships were built, because in principle it’s not possible to master more could, here’s the leading power for you.
    5. +2
      January 6 2013
      Quote: sapulid
      To begin with, under the tsar, Russia was the leading industrial power in the world.

      Please confirm this loud statement with numbers.
      1. Horde
        +1
        January 6 2013
        Please confirm this loud statement with numbers.


        the numbers are currently 18.32 already (-11)
        laughing
  20. toguns
    +7
    January 6 2013
    that's why they love Stalin ....
  21. +18
    January 6 2013
    There was a cult, but there was also a Person





    1. +8
      January 6 2013
      Just recently, in October this year, at a meeting with the Perm party activist of United Russia, former President Dmitry Medvedev issued another harsh sentence to Joseph Vissarionovich: “Joseph Stalin and other leaders of the Soviet state of that time deserve the most severe assessment. This should remain in the annals of our history so that this never happens again. Because a war with one’s people is a grave crime. ”
      This is the question of who is fighting with his own people, who has launched banditry and corruption, who plunged the country into a permanent war to divide property, who gave the country to plunder American capital.
      1. sergeybulkin
        +8
        January 6 2013
        In pro gangsterism this is the most interesting. Under Stalin, right after the war they were not even judged, they simply put them on the wall and were right.
        And now our militia - the police are solemnly reporting: "In such a town in Nske, an organized gangster group has been arrested that terrorized the entire region for fifteen years" ... Well, and how to react to such reports. They covered chtol for 15 years this gang, and when I don’t believe that they couldn’t catch it ... ... well, this is so boiling about the bandits ...
        1. 0
          January 6 2013
          You can’t even imagine how the police’s hands are sometimes tied! They have already been caught red-handed, with weapons .... but after all, connections, a lawyer, money .... once and again, they let me go. So the gangsters' "daddy" just died and the "roof" was leaking. Finally, you can TAKE!
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      -7
      January 6 2013
      no, I don’t understand what kind of equality we are talking about? equality of a pathological lazy commander with a peasant plowing in the field from dawn to dawn? or a scrubber with an engineer? no, can the equality of "a representative of non-traditional orientation" roll away from the army with military officers, who went through fire and water? So I am against such equality!
      1. sergeybulkin
        +5
        January 6 2013
        Do not distort the respected, it is not equality but egalitarianism.
        Equality for all before the law. Equality for all according to the constitution.
        In the capitalist world, where all such paid equality is not possible at all. For example, Americans like to say - "we have a society of equal opportunities" - but all this is only on paper, in reality everything is different.
  22. 0
    January 6 2013
    You can’t say better than Zinoviev
  23. Voin sveta82
    +3
    January 6 2013
    of course ... seeing when such a mess was going on not only in the armed forces but also in the whole country ... STALIN would quickly put things in order ...))))))
  24. sergeybulkin
    +5
    January 6 2013
    A lot, at the beginning of perestroika, they began to say nasty things about the former leaders of the USSR. I especially tried - tearing the veins of the bourgeois - enemy propaganda, and that Stalin shot millions and Khrushchov and Brezhnev idiots and thieves. But only people can’t be fooled, people still remember how everything was really, witnesses are still alive - eyewitnesses! They believed that we were building for ourselves when people never forgot about how they built. The time will come and these newly arrived bourgeois, will have to return stolen from the people.
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      0
      January 6 2013
      ideological husk again! By the way, they have someone to take an example of Khrushchev! entered the GDP in the same way as the IVS did not begin to complain about its predecessor
  25. +4
    January 6 2013
    I think that we should not be ashamed of the word Russian Empire. For us, this sounds good; for the West, this is their problem. So I'm for Russian Imeria. And shit .... at the west.
    1. sergeybulkin
      +3
      January 6 2013
      The empire is certainly loud and sonorous, but it doesn’t fit in modern times, it would be better for a people's republic, or simply Russia without any people there. I don’t believe the imperialists!
  26. +6
    January 6 2013
    My opinion regarding the title and content of the article is as follows.

    The people of Russia are simply tired of the lawlessness of officials. Unless, in the time of I. Stalin, they could do the lawlessness that they are doing now.
    The people are not satisfied with the privatization carried out, the actions of law enforcement agencies that cannot establish law and order in the country and the existing judicial system,
    The people are dissatisfied with a handful of oligarchs who dispose of the country's national wealth. You can continue to infinity ..............!
    The people of Russia want only that the government of the country be truly Folk.
  27. Yoshkin Kot
    +3
    January 6 2013
    The people of Russia are simply tired of the lawlessness of officials. Unless, in the time of I. Stalin, they could do the lawlessness that they are doing now.

    it was worse, under the cover of demagogic chatter, they did and not so, until the nuts were tightened, the nuts began to be twisted and now

    The people of Russia want only that the government of the country be truly People’s.

    Yeah, didn't the people choose the "Government" in the elections? Or do you not like the people? the wrong one got? laughing
  28. iulai
    +3
    January 6 2013
    Nikita Khrushchev, Misha Gorbachev, drunk Yeltsin, Dimon Medvedev, do not cost one STALIN little finger! Stalin is the greatest politician, and the above are political dwarfs!
    1. makarich26
      +1
      January 6 2013
      It seems you missed someone ...
  29. zevs379
    +3
    January 6 2013
    A strong monarch like Stalin is necessary for Russia. Without any conditions and reservations.
  30. stranik72
    +5
    January 6 2013
    Quote: sapulid
    To begin with, under the tsar, Russia was the leading industrial power in the world.

    Unfortunately, this is not the case, but it was included in the top 5 world powers, this is a fact, while it took the 1st place among these countries in terms of infant mortality. Yes, there were certain successes the royal ruble was convertible, in terms of value it was the 4th in the world. They exported mainly agricultural goods and raw materials, machine production was poorly developed, so to speak with respect to everything that produces mechanisms and the mechanisms themselves. But there was one thing, its own culture, the hegemony of Russian civilization, while respecting the individuality of each nation. Yes, the Russian Empire of the times of the tsars was not white and fluffy, but it was Russian, and Stalin left it to us that way, while creating one of the greatest economies in the world and absolute confidence in the future of all the peoples and nationalities of the country, but again our blind faith in "well-wishers, storytellers" and the betrayal of the Soviet elite to Judas put a question mark in the survival of the Russian (Ukrainians and Belarusians) people, while destroying the greatest state in the world created by Russian tsars, Soviet secretaries general and peoples inhabiting the country. We live on the fragments of the greatest civilization in the world and it depends only on us which country our grandchildren will live in. Therefore, we remember Stalin, he was able at that monstrous time not only to pull the country out of the abyss, but also to turn the country on the path of development, somewhere like that.
  31. +2
    January 6 2013
    Interesting comments. Great personality, great era, great achievements, Great Russia. I want an empire.
  32. +5
    January 6 2013
    Who denigrates Stalin the most?
    Not military, not engineers, not workers, not peasants, that is, not those who hold Russia on their shoulders.
    Most of all, the parasites, traitors, descendants of the enemies of the people and other things of the nation scream. History does not need to be redrawn, it must be accepted objectively.
    [A bloody red age sped across the earth
    Sweeping the lead wave of the empire
    Overthrowing kings, gods and the power of churches,
    Erasing the world of slaves, so that life becomes different.
    Descendants cannot comprehend the cruel menacing age,
    Not knowing the shame of class lawlessness,
    It’s not for us to judge the leaders who led the people,
    He overthrew the priests and the oppression of the autocracy
    .
    1. -1
      January 6 2013
      Quote: Corsair5912
      He overthrew the priests and the oppression of the autocracy.

      This is probably a picture of your grandfather on the avatar, which he grumbled all over the war in the squad from his rear, and now you are broadcasting garbage on the forum as moron.
  33. zstalkerzz
    0
    January 6 2013
    Stalin, of course, is a great man, very GREAT! but I wouldn’t really want to live with him ... so that some envious neighbor would tell the NKVD that I have a bad attitude with the Soviet government and that I would be easily arrested for this ...
    1. stranik72
      +2
      January 6 2013
      You don't have to believe everything that liberals write about, "I have a bad attitude" and real actions in this direction are a measure of responsibility.
    2. +3
      January 6 2013
      Quote: zstalkerzz
      Stalin, of course, is a great man, very GREAT! but I wouldn’t really want to live with him ... so that some envious neighbor would tell the NKVD that I have a bad attitude with the Soviet government and that I would be easily arrested for this ...

      For good reason, not for nothing, only negative attitude was not planted for their attitude to Soviet power. my friend’s father 1900 He didn’t like Soviet power, although he lived in the city, but in fact he was the sole individual. He had cattle, including the Horse, did not officially work, he worked tirelessly. He raised 7 children, went to church and no one planted him.
    3. +5
      January 6 2013
      You are probably paranoid.
      Fortunately, you do not suspect that in our time, the probability of getting a term in 3 is higher than under Stalin.
      For example, my parents did not know anything about the NKVD, the Gulag or the repressions, as well as 90% of the population of the USSR, I know for sure because I asked.
      And they, like 90% of citizens, did not write denunciations.
      What do you know about the FSIN? And now there are more convicts than during the time of Stalin it was in the Gulag.
      1. DYMITRY
        +4
        January 6 2013
        Quote: Corsair5912
        What do you know about the FSIN? And now there are more convicts than during the time of Stalin it was in the Gulag.

        To be precise, more than 3,2 times.
  34. +5
    January 6 2013
    The People's Republic is associated with France and something else gay. Why should we call the government house the white house to please the west ?! Empire is our word. Although to be honest, at least a pot but not in the fire! The main essence should be popular for the people. I don’t even mind if they call the USSR again. I understand that many will not like the same Hilary Cliton. But then again, this is their problem.
    1. +2
      January 6 2013
      In Europe, there have never been and there are no popular republics, and it cannot be, the rich rule there and all laws are adapted to them.
      Before the 1918 year, there were kingdoms and empires in Europe, after the 1918-1920 revolutions of the year, suppressed with monstrous cruelty in Europe, fascist and pro-fascist regimes were established.
      Naturally, there could be no talk of any democracy.
      Democracy first came to Europe from the Red Army for the first time, when the Pavelichs, Mussolini, Horthy, Antoneski, Hitlers, and others were overthrown.
      The history of European democracy begins with the 1945 year.
      1. postman
        -1
        January 7 2013
        Quote: Corsair5912
        Until 1918, there were kingdoms and empires in Europe,

        ?
        Austro-Hungarian Empire (after the collapse, Austria, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia arose), the Russian Empire (after the collapse, Finland, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and "temporarily" Ukraine and Transcaucasia).
        And the rest then?
        Great Britain ,, France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norve
        gia, Sweden, Romania, Switzerland - as they were and have remained to this day with the same "democracy" ....
        Quote: Corsair5912
        The revolutions of 1918-1920, suppressed with monstrous cruelty in Europe, entrenched fascist and pro-fascist regimes.
        Which and where?

        Quote: Corsair5912
        The history of European democracy begins with the 1945 year.

        Yes, yes, this is especially true for:
        England (from 1801), Sweden (Constitution from 1809 to 1975), France (third republic of 1870-1940), Netherlands (Constitution from 1848), Norway (constitution of 1814), Denmark (succession law of 1853 to 1953 (new Constitution) ), Italy (from 1860 to 1946) and so on (Spain, Portugal, Romania)
    2. +2
      January 6 2013
      Quote: Oleg147741
      do not even mind if they call again the USSR.

      That's exactly what to call it! And then all our enemies kondrashka enough! fellow
  35. kvodrato
    +1
    January 6 2013
    The Russian people live in blood for the great idea of ​​the state, it has always been and will be forever !!!!!!
  36. Mikula
    -4
    January 6 2013
    The author - "The Russian people miss Stalin."

    Dear author, if your back is missing the lord's whip, then you do not need to transfer your overthrow to the whole Russian people. You won’t believe it, but other people have other views on this agent of the tsarist secret police and bank robber.
  37. +4
    January 6 2013
    The bureaucratic apparatus in Russia is so cut off from lack of control and impunity that it seems that only total repressions will restore order, and after all, whoever we have in EP is the former communists and Komsomol leaders, Nazism or the * blue * party will come, they will also join the nation or change their orientation, just be at the trough
    1. +4
      January 6 2013
      All of you are correct, bubla5, you said, but you will agree that the word "communists" in relation to this horde can only be written in quotation marks: they were never them. Careerists, opportunists climbed into the party for profit, people without honor and principles. (in any case, in the 70s, this is already a personal observation) .Therefore, then they began to spin with political weather vane, spinning in the wind of personal enrichment!
    2. 0
      January 6 2013
      Quote: bubla5
      and after all, whoever we have in EP is the former communists and Komsomol leaders, Nazism or the * blue * party will come, they will also join the Nazis or change their orientation, just be at the feeders

      Quite right. Everything is without exception Leninists and Stalinists, and I don’t need to trick my grandmother here about the great leader, I simply loved power excessively, treacherously and cunningly diabolically and knew human nature at the animal level.
      1. +2
        January 7 2013
        Do not repeat the dirty lies of scoundrels and villains of liberals, Judas and Russophobia.
        It is impossible to blame Stalin for lust for power, the cult of personality was not created by him, but by a whole bunch of scribes of voluntary flatterers.
        Stalin's position was elective, and if his policy did not suit the majority of the population, he would not have stayed in power for a long time.
        Not every person is able to take responsibility for the fate of the country and withstand this exorbitant craving.
        Only those who are unable to lead even themselves think that being at the head of the government is a freebie and a solid holiday.
  38. +2
    January 6 2013
    For the same reason, our society is constantly returning to the question of restoring the historical legendary name of Stalingrad .; I'm all for it!
  39. Tamerlanf1
    +4
    January 6 2013
    “The person with the pipe has a slightly stern face. Did his eyes - exotic, slightly Asian - give him an ironic expression? He has something in his gaze, facial features, from which he always seems smiling. Or, more precisely - it always seems like he is laughing now. Not that the look was a little mocking, but the eyes were constantly narrowed. Not that something lion in the face (although this is partly also), but an expression of subtle peasant craftiness. He very often smiles and laughs with a pure heart. He speaks little - he who knows how to talk with you on a randomly asked question for three hours in a row; who knows how to illuminate any problem in such a way that there will not be a single unclear facet in it. He laughs and even laughs much more readily than he says.

    Here he is - the greatest and most significant of our contemporaries. It leads 170 million people over 21 million square kilometers. He comes in contact with many people. And all these people love him, believe him, need him, rally around him, support him and push him forward. In all its growth, it rises above Europe and Asia, over the past and the future. This is the most famous and at the same time almost the most unknown person in the world. ” (From the book of Henri Barbusse "Stalin").
  40. Nurius
    +3
    January 6 2013
    Far from being a Stalinist, but stumbled upon an interesting article regarding the Kazakhstani aspect of the Stalin personality cult, in your court

    Scolding Stalin is a base mankurtism
    In the days of the Victory Day in World War II, a debate broke out in Kazakhstan over the Stalinist legacy

    On the days of the anniversary of the Victory in World War II, a discussion about the Stalinist legacy erupted again in Kazakhstan. It began with an article by Yevgeny Rakhimzhanov, "Blind Victory", in the weekly "Svoboda Slova" # 16 of May 5, 2011. 20 days later in the "Public Position" came out the answer - article by Aidos Sarym and Tolegen Zhukeyev "Stalinism is schizophrenia."
    As far as I know, the main author of the article in response was Aydos Sarym. I already had to discuss with him on the pages of the now defunct site "Position.kz". But this article struck me unpleasantly. It seems as if he returned to the years of perestroika, when all newspapers and magazines were packed with the same vicious, noisy and clamorous overthrowers of Stalin. A characteristic feature of these overthrowers was conspicuous ignorance, impudent lies and distortion, literally in every line. They did not hear the arguments, but dismissed them with shouts and abuse, "strong expressions". Sarym and Zhukeyev are the same. They also threw away the factual side of the matter and resorted to "strong language".
    It is very difficult to argue with such a demonstrative ignorance, with such an ostentatious denial of historical facts. Of course, you can make out every line of the article by Sarym and Zhukeyev and write objections. The result is a very voluminous response article. Only this is pointless work, since such an article will not have the slightest effect on the worldview of these people. They already have an opinion that they consider to be the absolute and indisputable truth, and if the facts do not correspond to this "truth", then so much the worse for the facts.
    In principle, there is no need to argue with such subversives. They are not worthy of such attention to themselves. In addition, in Russia, where the overthrowers seized power and tried to carry out "reforms" and "democratization", the inconsistency of their views, their ideological bankruptcy was clearly proved. They destroyed the country and the economic defeat in it turned out to be much more severe than the damage from the war. Dozens of settlements disappeared from the face of the earth and the map, hundreds and thousands of factories with a glorious history were closed and turned into either ruins or shopping centers. For example, the Krasnoyarsk television plant, built during the fourth five-year plan (1946-1950), was completely destroyed. And this was one of the best radio electronics enterprises in a large industrial center in Siberia. There was a large microelectronics workshop, a powerful assembly line, and a well-delivered production. Now there is a shopping center on the site of the plant. And there are hundreds, hundreds of such examples ...
    1. Nurius
      +1
      January 6 2013
      Therefore, there is no need to argue with them. Subversors are bankrupt. They only know how to destroy well. First, they destroy ideas, and then devastation spreads to factories, cities and towns. People lose their jobs, specialties. Subversors only know how to produce poverty and ruin.
      Kazakhstan’s happiness is that Nursultan Nazarbayev did not allow these subversors to power in the republic. He took all the best and proven practice from Soviet economic experience and managed in extremely difficult conditions, on the ruins of the once unified economic complex, to create a new country and ensure its economic development. Therefore, in Kazakhstan, subversives, such as Sarym and Zhukeyev, can only throw out their anger and craving for destruction on the pages of newspapers and websites.
      From my point of view, Stalin did a lot for the Kazakhs, much more than is commonly believed. If we look at historical facts, it becomes obvious that Stalin stood at the origins of many of the current successes of Kazakhstan. Without his decisions, modern Kazakhstan could not have taken place.
      First and foremost, Stalin created Kazakhstan as a state. It may seem paradoxical, but it is. The design of the first Kyrgyz (Cossack) ASSR, and then the Kazakh SSR, took place precisely under Stalin, and under his direct supervision. In August 1920, when the Kyrgyz Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was created, Stalin was the People's Commissar for Nationalities of the RSFSR, and the commission for the formation of autonomy worked under his control and guidance. In 1936, when the new draft Constitution of the USSR was adopted and the Kazakh SSR was formed, Stalin also led this process and worked out directives. The design of Kazakhstan as a Soviet national autonomy within the USSR is almost entirely a Stalinist initiative.
      There is a direct road from the Kazakh SSR to independent Kazakhstan, since it was the Supreme Council of the Kazakh SSR that adopted the Declaration of State Sovereignty in 1990, and then declared the state independence of the republic. If Stalin had not decided to establish the Kazakh SSR, and Kazakhstan would be an autonomous republic within the RSFSR, then no independence would have come about. Other autonomous republics, such as Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Yakutia, Tuva and others, received only decorative sovereignty, which by now has been almost completely eliminated. So, Stalin paved the way for independence for the Kazakhs.
      As is well known, before the revolution, no state was offered to the Kazakhs or even expected. The Kazakhs were an undesirable people in their own land, which was assigned to Russian colonization. All people who sought and tried to revive Kazakh statehood were considered criminals in the Russian Empire. Only the revolution and the Stalinist decisions turned this attitude towards the Kazakhs.
      So, whether Sarym and Zhukeyev like it or not, they live in a state that was created by Stalin. “But, we are sure, Stalinism will not escape the judgment of History. It has yet to have its own Nuremberg,” write these illiterate people. Well, there will be Nuremberg, Stalin's actions are recognized as criminal and illegal. But this will have disastrous consequences. If the decisions are recognized as criminal and illegal, then they are recognized as legally null and void. But it follows from this that the creation of the Kazakh SSR was also illegal. Consequently, the declaration of independence by the Supreme Soviet of the Kazakh SSR was also illegal. If Stalin's actions are condemned, then the Kazakhstanis will have to completely liquidate their state and return to Russia. It is interesting to ask Sarym and Zhukeyev, are they ready for such a "reunion"?
      1. Nurius
        +4
        January 6 2013
        The overthrowers are all pushing for famine in Kazakhstan in 1932-1933, exploiting this great national tragedy, the scars of which have not yet fully healed. “Stalin ruined millions of Kazakhs,” Sarym and Zhukeyev will shout angrily.
        However, this view is not consistent with the facts.
        Firstly, it was not Stalin who ruined the people, but Goloshchekin, who was not a Stalinist appointee. Goloshchekin became the leader of Kazakhstan at a time when Stalin did not have full control over the Politburo and shared power with Bukharin. Goloshchekin was appointed because of his revolutionary past, work experience in Turkestan, economic experience in ore mining, most likely, on the recommendation of Lazar Kaganovich, who at that time headed the Organizational Department of the Central Committee of the PKK (b) and before that also worked in Turkestan.
        By the way, the true Stalinist appointees whom Stalin picked and appointed himself: Levon Mirzoyan, Nikolai Skvortsov and Zhumabay Shayakhmetov - showed themselves from the best side. They achieved the restoration of the republic after the famine, successfully developed the industry and did an excellent job of supplying the army in the war. It should be noted that Stalin was the first in many decades to nominate Kazakh Shayakhmetov as the head of the republic.
        Secondly, Stalin saved those whom Goloshchekin did not manage to destroy from starvation. On September 17, 1932, the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks adopted a resolution on aid to Kazakhstan, which provided for the allocation of 2 million poods of food and seed aid, exemption from taxes and procurement, cancellation of debts, and the transfer of livestock for personal use. This decree was published only once, in the journal "National Economy of Kazakstan" in No. 10 for 1932. But this decree is quite worthy of being cast in bronze and placed on a monument.
        This was not the only provision of food assistance. According to various decisions adopted by the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (that is, personally approved by Stalin), more than 1932 million pounds of bread were sent to Kazakhstan in 1933-3 as food aid. From September 1932 to the end of 1934 - another 31,5 million pounds. This help, allocated by decision of Stalin, allowed to end the famine. By the decision of Stalin, people were given livestock for personal use.
        It is customary for normal people to remember and thank those who came to help during the years of the terrible famine. Stalin provided the starving republic with the greatest and most significant help. Millions of Kazakhs owe their lives to Stalin, who saved their fathers and grandfathers from starvation, highlighting the urgently needed help. Scolding Stalin in Kazakhstan is mankurtism of the lowest standard.
        Thirdly, Stalin avenged the death of the Kazakhs from hunger. It is well known that Philip Goloshchekin ended his life from a shot in the back of the head, and his corpse fell into a trench on the outskirts of Kuibyshev (now Samara). This act of retribution was accomplished by order of Lorenius Beria on October 27, 1941. Of course, behind this order of Beria there was approval or even a direct order of Stalin. By the way, the decision of Stalin on the formation of the Kazakh SSR was also a political compensation to the Kazakhs for the famine.
        Subversives like Sarym and Zhukeyev extol "fighters against the personality cult." By the way, it is worth remembering that it was these people who rehabilitated Goloshchekin in 1961, made him almost innocently injured. If Sarym and Zhukeyev are in favor of this "rehabilitation", then they, in essence, justify and shield the murderer. To accuse someone who helped in a famine year and to justify a murderer - what is that if not a crime?
        However, Kazakhstan still lives on the agricultural system created during the years of collectivization. The agricultural development policy has not undergone significant changes since then. The main role, then, now, is mechanized grain production. Kazakhstan sows about 16 million hectares, about the same as planned in the years of collectivization. Cattle breeding, both then and now, occupies a secondary place.
  41. Nurius
    +2
    January 6 2013
    Current realities show that it is quite possible to live with this economy, and Goloshchekin had a chance to succeed in restructuring agriculture in Kazakhstan. Success and failure then shared a half-step. But Goloshchekin was in an excessive hurry, did not want to reckon with the conditions of the republic and circumstances, because of which, even in principle, the right decisions were formed in the causes of a devastating hunger. This experience of a terrible economic catastrophe needs to be carefully studied, since similar mistakes can be made now. I advocate that the analysis of the economic causes of hunger be included in the mandatory standard for training civil servants in Kazakhstan.
    Personally, I have no doubt that if people like Sarym and Zhukeyev grasp power in Kazakhstan, then a repetition of the terrible famine and devastation, maybe even on a large scale, is practically guaranteed. What to expect from them, if for them the killer of the Kazakh people is "an innocent victim of repression"?
    Let's move now from purely Kazakhstani affairs to larger-scale problems. Sarym and Zhukeyev argue that Stalin allegedly brought the people and the army to such a "catastrophic moral decline" that the result was defeat in 1941, mass captivity and collaboration.
    Okay, let's say that's the case. Let us assume that this is a "catastrophic moral decline". What, then, should be called the defeat of France in 1940? Let me remind you that in 1940 France was defeated in just a month, and in fact it was considered the best land army in Europe. On May 10, fighting began in Belgium, on June 3, 40 thousand French soldiers surrendered on the Dunkirk beach, and already on June 14, German troops entered Paris in parade. The French government surrendered, although it had the remnants of the army, a large fleet, part of the territory of France and especially the colony, as well as the support of the allies. It was possible to withdraw the fleet from Toulon, evacuate to the colonies and continue the war, as the great Frenchman, General De Gaulle, did later. Already in October 1940, General Pétain, the head of the Vichy government, began to cooperate with Germany. French soldiers began to fight on the side of the invaders against their own countrymen. The largest such operation was the Syrian-Lebanese operation, in which 35 Vichy French fought against the British, Australians and 5 Gaullist French. Moreover, when the allies drove the Germans out of France and liberated Paris, the Vichy moved to Germany and their government lasted until April 22, 1945.
    Well, what do we call it? If in fairness, then this is an example of catastrophic moral decline.
    The Soviet Union, having received a crushing blow in 1941, having lost almost the entire personnel army, almost all the heavy weapons, a significant part of the defense industry, not only did not think about surrender, but continued to fight. All the defense enterprises that could be taken out were transferred east, and soon resumed production. Instead of the defeated units, new reservists and volunteers were created.
    It was at this very difficult moment of the war that the Kazakhs fully demonstrated their military spirit, the traditions of the steppe batyrs. A huge role in the difficult battle for Moscow was played by Kazakhstanis from the Panfilov division, from national brigades and other formations, who took on the most cruel and difficult fights of the end of 1941-1942. It was at this time that the star of the Kazakh commander Baurzhan Momyshuly rose. Kazakhstani brigades participated in the fierce battles of the Battle of Rzhev, which the Germans compared with the battles of Verdun and the Somme in World War I.
    None, even the most severe defeats of 1941 and 1942, led Stalin to the idea of ​​surrender and a separate peace. The Soviet army ended the war in Berlin and Lieutenant Rakhymzhan Koshkarbaev was the first to hang a red banner on the walls of the Reichstag. The Great War is a glorious page in the history of Kazakhstan and Kazakhs.
    1. Nurius
      +2
      January 6 2013
      So whose army has decayed? Soviet or French? Historical facts give a completely unambiguous answer to this question.
      The position of Sarym and Zhukeyev is simply disgusting. As you can understand, they would like the Kazakhs to throw up their hands and surrender without a fight, to become slaves of the newly appeared "superior race". How else can you understand their reasoning about "catastrophic moral decline"? Beneath these statements of theirs, betrayal of the worst kind is clearly visible - propaganda of defeatism. If now there is an attack on Kazakhstan, then there is no doubt that we will see Sarym and Zhukeyev ahead with a white rag in their hands.
      In conclusion, it is worth mentioning the article by Yevgeny Rakhimzhanov, "Blind Victory". I don’t think his presentation is impeccable from the point of view of historical facts; he leaves out of consideration a large layer of events related to the confrontation of systems. The Soviet Union hoped to win a decisive victory in World War II, hoped to crush the European imperialist powers (which, if anyone has forgotten, at that time held most of the world under their yoke), revolutionize and liberate numerous colonies around the world. It was a fight for the freedom of all mankind.
      If the Soviet Union had managed to open the skull of the European imperialists, then the whole history would have taken a different path. The imperialists would have only one "island" - the United States, which would be surrounded on all sides by the liberated humanity. Its collapse would be inevitable, since the entire potential of billions of fighters, the industrial potential of Europe and the USSR (which was not much inferior to the American one) could be thrown against it.
      Unfortunately, the Soviet Union failed to achieve this victory. For us, in World War II, there are simultaneously two outcomes. On the one hand, we won a great victory over a very powerful and dangerous enemy, who fought to the last man and cartridge. But, on the other hand, we could not achieve this decisive victory. Imperialism was not broken. And it has brought untold calamities to the whole world. He raised his head, and now again showed himself in all its glory, attacking all the countries that they do not like.
      But in fact, Evgeni Rakhimzhanov is right. Indeed, we were defeated; we were not able to crush the imperialists with their cannibalistic ideology. We could not take all of humanity onto the road of rapid development, the road of true freedom, education and culture, the road leading to space exploration and flights to distant stars. And therefore we are ashamed to look veterans in the eyes.
    2. DYMITRY
      +1
      January 6 2013
      Quote: Nurius
      and Lieutenant Rakhymzhan Koshkarbaev was the first to hang a red banner on the walls of the Reichstag.

      belay But what about Egorov and Kantaria? The article is certainly good, but why rewrite history. Do not be like Bandera with 140 thousand years of history of ancient ukrov !!!
      1. Nurius
        0
        January 7 2013
        DYMITRY,
        Dear Dymitri, this is not a juggling of history, but a real event that took place. The fact is that, first of all, the flag was set by Rakhimzhan Koshkarbayev and Grigory Bulatov ..


        Stepan Andreevich Neustroev, at that time the commander of the battalion stormed the Reichstag, describes the meeting with Koshkarbayev as follows:

        A short man came out to meet me, a man broad in the shoulders. And I recognized him right away: Lieutenant Koshkarbayev. About him in the division went fame as a fearless officer.[2]
        According to the magazine of military operations [1] of the 150th Infantry Division, at 14 hours on April 25, 30, Lieutenant Rakhimzhan Koshkarbaev and Private Grigory Bulatov “crawled to the central part of the building in a plasticky way and put a red flag on the main entrance staircase”. In his book “We Stormed the Reichstag,” Hero of the Soviet Union I. F. Klochkov writes that “Lieutenant R. Koshkarbaev was the first to attach a red flag to the column.” [3]
        Here is how Koshkarbaev himself describes the hoisting of the first red banner:
        Combat Davydov led me to the window. (This is still in the "Himmler’s house"). “See,” he says, “the Reichstag?” Pick the right people, you will hoist the flag. ” And he handed me a dark, rather heavy bundle - a flag wrapped in black paper.
        With a group of scouts I jumped out of the window. Soon we all had to lie down. A strong fire started. Near me there was one fighter. It was Grigory Bulatov. He kept asking: “What will we do, Comrade Lieutenant?” We lay with him near a moat filled with water. “Let's put our names on the flag,” I suggested to him. And we wrote with a chemical pencil in my pocket, right under the bridge, “674 regiment, 1 battalion”. And they brought out their names: "Lt Koshkarbaev, kr-Bulatov." We lay there until dark. Then the artillery preparation began, and with the very first shots we ran to the Reichstag. I raised Bulatov, holding his legs, and then at the height of the second floor they set a flag ... [/ u]

        By the way, this fact was confirmed by the Russian side ...

        Rakhimzhan Koshkarbayev hoisted the banner over the Reichstag - official confirmation of the Institute of Military History of the Russian Ministry of Defense
        The Institute of Military History of the Ministry of Defense of Russia officially confirmed the fact that a combat banner was hoisted over the Reichstag by Kazakhstani Rakhimzhan Koshkarbayev. This was reported to the correspondent of Kazinform by the historian Bulat Asanov, who achieved restoration of historical justice by contacting the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Russia, Vladimir Putin.

        After archival research, the Russian side has documented the participation of our fellow countryman in the historical event that occurred on April 30, 1945. Together with the Red Army soldier Grigory Bulatov, the lieutenant of the 150th Infantry Division of the 3rd Shock Army of the 1st Belorussian Front, Rakhimzhan Koshkarbaev, who was then only 21 years old, hoisted the battle flag over the Reichstag. A document certifying this event was donated by B. Asanov as a gift to the Central State Museum of the Republic of Kazakhstan. There is a photograph of the war years, which depicts our countryman surrounded by those who took the Reichstag. Later, Mikhail Egorov and Yegor Kantaria will be made official symbols of the capture of the Reichstag.

        http://www.zakon.kz/86909-znamja-nad-rejjkhstagom-vodruzil.html
        1. 0
          January 7 2013
          By the way, this fact was confirmed by the Russian side ...

          Rakhimzhan Koshkarbayev hoisted the banner over the Reichstag - official confirmation of the Institute of Military History of the Russian Ministry of Defense

          Who cares who set the flag? This action in no way affected the course of hostilities, but was a purely propaganda trick.
          And what does "confirmed by the Russian side" mean?
          And what side was Koshkarbayev from? From the side of Hitler or what?
          There were no other parties.
      2. Beck
        0
        January 7 2013
        Quote: DYMITRY
        But what about Egorov and Kantaria?


        In each storming Reichstag battalion, groups were created to erect a banner on the Reichstag. According to the memory of these groups, it was somewhere around 10. It was Koshkarbaev and Bulatov who were the first to break into the Reichstag building. After them, the other surviving groups also hoisted their banners on the Reichstag. Among them were Egorov and Kantaria.

        Georgian Stalin and chose Georgian Cantaria. Three times guess why?
    3. 0
      January 7 2013
      Kazakhs fully demonstrated their military spirit, the traditions of the steppe batyrs. A huge role in the difficult battle for Moscow was played by Kazakhstanis from the Panfilov division, from national brigades and other formations, who took on the most cruel and difficult fights of the end of 1941 - 1942 of the year. It was at this time that the star of the Kazakh commander Baurzhan Momyshuly rose. Kazakh brigades participated in the fierce battles of the Battle of Rzhev, which the Germans compared with the battles of Verdun and the Somme in World War I.

      There were no steppe warriors in the Panfilov division, where 90% of the composition was made up of Russians and Ukrainians living in Kazakhstan.
      In Soviet times, the number of Kazakhs in Kazakhstan did not exceed 36%, so there can be no question of any national brigades.
      The main role in the defeat of the Germans near Moscow was played by the 133th Siberian Rifle Division and the 19th Guards Siberian Volunteer Corps.
  42. +2
    January 6 2013
    I would like to add one more consideration. And even so, our people are very, according to the article and commentators, a kind of poetic comes out. Emotion dripping from ears ...
    The Russian people appreciate Stalin also because it was amazing, incredibly effective. The greatest creator, builder, man who knew how to build with the hands of his people something simply wonderful, in indescribably short, inaccessible to anyone else. People with him every day felt that they were not living in vain. What truly great things do.
    This is the understanding that your work, thanks to the unique organizer, leads to the creation of huge cases for the common good - this, in my opinion, people appreciated and appreciate most ...
  43. +1
    January 6 2013
    STALIN HAS BEEN A LEADER! GREAT PERSON! YES, NOW MUCH OF WHAT HE HAS SEEN TO SEEM HARD AND WRONG. BUT THERE WAS OTHER EXITS AND WAYS WERE NOT, THEREFORE, IT IS NOW AND NOW. I HAVE NOT ON ANYONE))) SOCIAL LIFT DOES NOT WORK, THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM DOES NOT FAITH, ELECTIONS BY PARTY LISTS DO NOT SAY ABOUT ANYTHING ..... LOOK AT OUR DUMA)))) AND VERY QUESTION IS QUESTION! SADLY. WE'RE SUCCESSFULLY AT LEAST THAT IT WILL BE DELIVERED TO CHILDREN? THINK THAT THERE ARE NO ENEMIES — VERY CONFIDENT, AND JUDGING FOR ALL OF THEM, THEY HAVE CORRECT CONCLUSIONS! ALL THIS WELL AND NOT VERY))
  44. +3
    January 6 2013
    I don’t want to dwell now on the issue of hunger in different countries, but about Zap. I will tell you. Stalin perfectly assessed the external situation, how long Poland would have lasted, which then included Zap. Ukraine? And where would Hitler's troops be immediately, if Stalin had not created a kind of SHIELD in front of Russia, adding additional lands? But for some reason no one says that back in 1929 the nationalist organizations that opposed the domination of the Poles united in the OUN, called the "Union of Ukrainian Fascists". Their followers are modern "Svoboda". Indeed, at first the Red Army was greeted with flowers, and after a couple of years they began to "fight" with it. Well, the nationalists hoped that the Red Army had cleared their way, but it turned out that along with the schools, hospitals brought in, and the liberation from the Poles, something had to be done for the country too! And who would tolerate the Nazis? Stalin was right when he began to press them. It's a pity that there was not enough time for all.
  45. +4
    January 6 2013
    To deny the merits of the person who led the country for 30 years, and during this time turned it into an industrial power with a literate population, colossal scientific potential, defeated the strongest army in the world, and even with armies of henchmen, is simply stupid! Frequent statements amaze: "Our people won the Patriotic War, not thanks to Stalin, but in spite of" - GRAVE MALE! " Stalin led the country to victory in all directions, in the most difficult conditions! The people see, remember and appreciate it. And he waits.
  46. rocketman
    +1
    January 6 2013
    Quote: Voin sveta82
    Stalin would quickly put things in order ...

    Unfortunately, I wouldn’t bring it .... Stalin always skillfully selected staff, and this is a long job .. Who can I lean on? On an iPhone with a stool?
  47. postman
    -5
    January 6 2013
    "The Russian people miss Stalin"?
    "On the threshold - restoration"?
    =================================
    If you want to re-step on the same rake ..... Yes.

    "Every nation deserves its fate."
    Charles Louis Montesquieu's "Spirit of the Laws" ("De l'ésprit des loix", 1748).
  48. +2
    January 6 2013
    Stalin kept people like Medvedev and other neoliberal rabble in the "stall" Where would they get love for him? Stalin was a statesman, and these crooks pissed off the Great Country. In addition, a rogue on a rogue! All hope is on Putin!
  49. georg737577
    0
    January 6 2013
    I’ll ask a question to all participants in the discussion of the article — would you like to live under Stalin? Think and answer yourself honestly ... And personally, I do not want to live in any of the countries where someone’s large (or very large) portraits are densely hung ... And I don’t miss Stalin!
    1. postman
      0
      January 7 2013
      Quote: georg737577
      And personally, I don’t want to live in any of the countries where someone’s large (or very large) portraits are densely hung ..

      portraits are generally the least evil.
  50. 0
    January 7 2013
    that is, are you basically against Gagarin for example?
    1. georg737577
      0
      January 7 2013
      And here is Gagarin? Yes, his portraits also hung (for a while) - but he did not order to hang them ... But the portraits of Stalin had to be worn by Gagarin himself ...
      1. +1
        January 7 2013
        why don’t Gagarin carry a poster of the one who made Gagarin Gagarin, you don’t think that Gagarin himself decided to fly into space, or did his people launch ???? On the question of posters, if a person deserves it, why can't people express their gratitude in this way? Or are you jealous ???
  51. +6
    January 7 2013
    I also remember my aunts and uncles - front-line soldiers, who until their last breath idolized Stalin and therefore everyone should understand where my advantages are and where my disadvantages are.
    I’ll end with a banality: the more I live in today’s Russia, the more Stalinist I become.
  52. +2
    January 7 2013
    I think that the Russian people respect Stalin because he did everything right, from collectivization to the atomic bomb. The Soviet Union was among the first to recover after the Second World War, as Vysotsky sang, “there was a time and prices were reduced.” Yes, life was hard, but let’s remember why. The civil war and FOREIGN intervention, as a result of total devastation, only recovered at an accelerated pace. Hitler and his comrades granted, again restoration at an accelerated pace. There was no time for fun. Western “friends” tried their best to “help” the Russian people. So it’s definitely a monument to J.V. Stalin.
  53. white2111
    +1
    January 7 2013
    Stalin, anticipating his death, said that a lot of dirt would be poured on his grave, but the wind of history would scatter everything.
  54. +3
    January 7 2013
    I will repeat what I have said many times: As long as I have lived in Magadan, I have never met “innocently repressed” people! I will make a reservation, except for the descendants of those exiled here for the Orthodox faith. Yes, there was persecution of the Church, but it was not started by Stalin. Stalin just stopped them.
    And it’s just amazing how many people have been rehabilitated. For example, the famous singer Kozin was imprisoned for pedophilia. There are a lot of former Banderaites. There are also those who did not go to work for several days during the war. Yes. It’s cruel to imprison people for absenteeism, but, excuse me, the war was on!
    abki here once recently on a bench, former repressed sat and chatted
    1. 0
      January 7 2013
      Quote: Magadan
      As long as I have lived in Magadan, I have never met “innocently repressed” people!

      Agree! All this is an invention of his enemies!
    2. Alexander 1958
      0
      January 7 2013
      For Magadan
      In my opinion. An interesting link about how prisoners who were imprisoned at the same time as Solzhenitsyn evaluate the facts presented in his “works”
      Alexander 1958
      1. Alexander 1958
        0
        January 7 2013
        Formagadan
        http://worldcrisis.ru/crisis/1056261
  55. white2111
    +5
    January 7 2013
    Stalin never fought with his own people, he destroyed the traitors of his people, the “fifth column”. But people like Khrushchev and others like him engaged in excesses and many answered for it. Once Stalin responded to Khrushchev’s telegram about “enemies of the people”: “BE AWAY FOOL.”
    Navalny, Nemtsov, Udaltsov and others are traitors to Russia, the “fifth column” today, and the fight against them has already begun.

    Stalin once said that a lot of dirt would be poured on his grave, but the winds of history would scatter everything.
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    January 17 2013
    There were different things, good and bad, and there’s no need to throw everything into a pile.... we just need to remember that this man is a LAMP, and largely thanks to him, we still have something to be proud of, and not this garbage who has been in power for 30 years

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