The first batch of the latest 120-mm Phlox self-propelled artillery guns was delivered to the troops

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The first batch of the latest 120-mm Phlox self-propelled artillery guns was delivered to the troops

Self-propelled artillery The Floks gun has been sent to the troops, the first batch of the newest 120-mm guns has already been sent to the military. This was reported by the press service of Rostec.

The first batch of the Phlox self-propelled artillery gun entered service with the troops. How many vehicles are in the batch is not reported, and other delivery details are also missing. It is emphasized that the 120-mm gun is capable of firing both artillery shells and mines.



(...) the weapon is built on the chassis of a protected off-road vehicle. It is designed to suppress enemy manpower, weapons and equipment. Thanks to good mobility, security, automation and relatively low price, Phlox is in great demand among the troops.

- stated in the message of the state corporation.

Self-propelled joint stock company "Phloks" is mounted on the basis of the army armored vehicle "Ural-4320" with a 6x6 wheel arrangement. The complex is capable of raising the barrel in the range from -2 to + 80 degrees, which allows you to hit targets along an overhead trajectory, direct fire, and also throw mines almost vertically. Thanks to its rate of fire, Phlox is capable of firing in a fire attack mode, when several projectiles fired at different angles simultaneously reach the target. It is unified in terms of ammunition with Vienna-type guns, so it is capable of using the entire range of existing projectiles.

Self-propelled joint stock company "Phloks" was developed within the framework of the "Nabrosok" design and development project, the project was created at the Nizhny Novgorod Central Research Institute "Burevestnik". Along with the Phlox, the flower series also includes the Malva self-propelled artillery gun and the Gorse mortar.

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  1. -3
    5 October 2023 19: 51
    Specialists, what about the Malva? Is it a disgrace (for example, in terms of firing range) or not?
    1. +16
      5 October 2023 20: 09
      I propose to call the next new artillery piece “thistle”... Because our “flowers” ​​are too delicate, and since ancient times in Rus' thistles have been used to drive out evil spirits...
      1. +1
        5 October 2023 23: 45
        I read about this plant. Ha, the title is spot on.
        “This can be seen already from the name of the plant: it is made up of the common Slavic roots “devil” and “poloh” (“to scare”). Obviously, the main function of the magical herb was precisely to scare away evil spirits.”
    2. -10
      5 October 2023 20: 54
      In war, what is now much needed is a gun with a firing range of 45 kilometers or more to effectively conduct counter-battery warfare. The same Coalition in this regard is an ideal for war. But, apart from promises, the army does not have them in stock.
      1. -17
        5 October 2023 21: 09
        Rostec managers needed to at least somehow depict their vigorous activity. So they came up with the idea of ​​taking old guns and putting them on old platforms. It looks like they did something new on paper. This is how they work for a report on paper
        1. +4
          5 October 2023 23: 47
          Here you are pretending to be a storm of activity, but in fact it’s nothing.
        2. +2
          6 October 2023 15: 11
          Quote from Alorg
          So they came up with the idea of ​​taking old guns and putting them on old platforms. It looks like they did something new on paper. This is how they work for a report on paper

          This weapon was prepared for export, as well as for arming light infantry formations. Not exactly the same for the SVO, but this weapon had been prepared for a long time, so they simply put into production what was ready. Such a weapon is most likely for low-intensity conflicts and CTO, but in any case it is better than towed artillery. Moreover, the cabin is armored.
          So the weapon is new, but without outstanding characteristics. The barrel is smooth, which means the survivability and service life of the barrel are high. And the three-axle protected chassis allows you to quickly transfer guns over long distances along public roads under your own power. The thing is good, necessary and much more practical than the towed D-30 and the tracked Nona.
          1. 0
            6 October 2023 15: 41
            Quote: bayard
            The trunk is smooth.........

            ....The main feature of the new self-propelled gun is the combined semi-automatic rifled implement, which ensures firing of all types of mortar mines and shells with ready-made rifling (unification with the 2A80 automatic gun-howitzer-mortar, which is also installed on the SAO 2S31 and 2S34): the gun can fire as a howitzer and mortar, and can also be used for direct fire [2].......
            1. +1
              6 October 2023 23: 19
              Quote: Bad_gr
              rifled tool,

              The logic failed: a mortar is a smooth-bore thing, a projectile with ready-made rifling - for twisting into a smooth barrel. but... it turns out there are also rifled mortars. I hope that the barrel of this gun is more durable than that of a classic rifled one for conventional shells.
              1. +1
                6 October 2023 23: 35
                Quote: bayard
                The logic failed: a mortar is a smooth-bore thing, a projectile with ready-made rifling - for twisting into a smooth barrel. but... it turns out there are also rifled mortars.
                Ammunition for "Nona". I think the Phlox has the same (shells with ready-made rifling, mines without rifling (stabilization only due to the shank))
      2. -1
        5 October 2023 21: 58
        To shoot at 45 KM, you need to know exactly where to shoot. At such a distance it is very difficult to calculate anything. an error of a couple of minutes at such a distance will result in a hundred meters. At such a distance there are only lancets or airplanes, that’s where they work.
      3. +1
        6 October 2023 10: 08
        Before you wrote such nonsense, did you decide to solve problems at the company-regimental level with artillery systems at the level Coalition? 82 and 120 mm mortars, 100 mm Rapier and all the tanks that are now used for indirect fire: will the Coalition change all this?
      4. Urs
        0
        6 October 2023 11: 22
        Well, there seems to be something to object to. As always, we have our own way and, by the way, it doesn’t work badly.
        The effectiveness of “lancets” as a counter-battery fight is much higher. But artillery with a high rate of fire and a very “tasty” assortment of ammunition is just what the “doctor ordered” for fleeting combat at short and medium distances.
        For me, at least the tanks will be left alone to fire from the PDO, well, that’s not his thing, of course he can, but it’s not his negative
    3. -7
      5 October 2023 22: 16
      Quote: Warrior_II_category
      Specialists, what about the Malva? Is it a disgrace (for example, in terms of firing range) or not?

      Well, how can I say... the firing range is 24,5 km.

      For comparison:
      French CAESAR - 41 km ERFB projectile with gas generator, 54 km M2005 V-LAP projectile, 55 km Excalibur projectile.
      Chinese PCL-181 - 25 km guided by GP155 and GP155A (copy of Krasnopol), 35 km - GP155B with satellite guidance, 40 km by ERFB-BB projectile with gas generator.
      Israeli ATMOS - from 30 to 41 km with a high explosive L15 High Explosive - depending on the length of the barrel, 50+ km with a guided projectile with a gas generator.

      In short, it could have been better.
      1. +20
        5 October 2023 23: 15
        It is incorrect to compare a 120 mm gun with a 152 or 155 gun
        1. -3
          6 October 2023 01: 35
          Quote: certero
          compare 120 mm gun

          What the hell is 120mm??? The man asked about Malva. fool
          2S43 Malva has a 152mm gun.
          1. +4
            6 October 2023 08: 19
            Quote: And Us Rat
            Well, how can I say... the firing range is 24,5 km.
            From the Table of Performance Characteristics of Shots Used by the 2A64 Gun

            Type 3023 cluster projectile containing 42 anti-tank sub-munitions 26 km

            3VOF91 (3OF61) High-explosive fragmentation with bottom-injected gas generator - range 29 km
      2. -8
        5 October 2023 23: 17
        Something tells me that if, for example, an Israeli shell is cut down to 152 mm for Malva, it will also fly further than 25 km. The generals are afraid like fire of new ammunition, they will immediately become more expensive, redoing tables, logistics, retraining the composition is a hassle in the internal kitchen.
        1. 0
          7 October 2023 01: 00
          The minusers were overwhelmed, but they couldn’t figure out what to answer.
      3. +1
        5 October 2023 23: 27
        Yeah, current 24,5 is a regular projectile
      4. +3
        6 October 2023 10: 15
        Why are you comparing conventional shells with gas generator shells? What is the range of the same Caesar with a standard 155mm projectile? But the usual distance is only 25 km. So Malva sucks in range? And if our designers are worthy and make an active-missile projectile, then Malva will throw cast iron 35-40 km.
    4. +3
      6 October 2023 09: 29
      It’s more like a mobile mortar, which can also use artillery ammunition, so in terms of quickly working out and leaving, it’s a pretty good machine
    5. -2
      6 October 2023 09: 54
      Yes, enough with this range! This is the XNUMXth most important parameter for a weapon. When you buy a car, you decide by the maximum speed on the speedometer, right?
  2. +5
    5 October 2023 20: 00
    As I understand it, this is the “Non” niche, only in motorized rifle troops.
    1. +2
      6 October 2023 08: 42
      They were made for the Airborne Forces, for paratroopers. If it goes to motorized rifles instead of the “Sani” complex (120-mm mortar in the back of a truck), then that’s good too.
      1. +1
        6 October 2023 12: 50
        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
        If it goes to motorized rifles instead of the “Sani” complex (120-mm mortar in the back of a truck), then that’s good too.

        The news showed the work of the Vienna crew, so a similar weapon is already working there. Now a similar one will be added on another platform:

        The stern of the self-propelled gun is equipped with a rotating platform with a 120 mm caliber gun module. The rifled gun has the same ballistics and bolt as the 2A80 gun. It can be used both as a howitzer and as a mortar, depending on the ammunition used. The firing range reaches 13 km with a high-explosive fragmentation projectile, 7,5 km with a high-explosive fragmentation mine, and 10 km with a guided projectile. Firing is fully automated through the use of an automatic loader, rate of fire is 8 (OFS) or 10 (OFM) rounds per minute. The AZ automated ammunition rack contains 28 rounds, another 52 are in conventional racks.

        The 120-mm gun is equipped with a modern recoil system, which made it possible to eliminate the need for retractable mounts. This solution, together with modern electronics, makes it possible to reduce the ready-to-fire time to 20 seconds and significantly increases efficiency. Vertical pointing angles from -5 to +80 degrees, horizontally - 35 degrees. right and left. The Phlox self-propelled gun is equipped with a modern digital weapon-computing system, which is capable of performing many tasks automatically. These tasks include:
        • transferring and receiving data between machines;
        • processing the received information and preparing data for calculating shooting parameters;
        • adjustment of the installation's firing on the first shot;
        • switching of various surveillance means depending on environmental conditions;
        • storing up to 30 targets in memory at the same time and switching between them.
        https://war-book.ru/samohodnaya-artillerijskaya-ustanovka-2s40-floks/

        Also, a variation of this weapon is installed on the 2S34 Khosta self-propelled gun (chassis based on the Gvozdika) and for the same caliber and ammunition on the 2S42 Lotos self-propelled gun (chassis based on the BMD-4M)
      2. 0
        7 October 2023 15: 29
        For motorized rifles, you need the same weapon (at least) but on a tank chassis and in a tank turret so that it is a universal weapon to support infantry with good protection and resistance from enemy influence, and not use tanks for artillery tasks..
        rs: Ideally, this gun and native ammunition would be converted to 160mm and placed in the same way on a tank chassis and turret.. This would really be very useful for our infantry..
  3. +3
    5 October 2023 20: 06
    The range is short, but the mobility is excellent. Allows you to shoot and run away. He will find his niche. It would be necessary to add more long-range systems for counter-battery combat, otherwise this issue is difficult.
    1. +3
      5 October 2023 20: 12
      First of all, we need high-precision projectiles, analogues of the western Excalibur, Vulcano and Bonus with a range of 40-50 km. Pion has a range of 47 km, but what's the point?
      1. -5
        5 October 2023 23: 04
        Does Ukraine have these Excalibur and similar shells? Excalibur costs more than a hundred thousand bucks. They won't go broke selling such ammunition to the VS-4s?
        1. +4
          5 October 2023 23: 16
          Excaliburs are even fired at the Belgorod region, not at military targets. So the enemy has no problems with such shells.
          1. -2
            6 October 2023 06: 56
            What does “even” mean? The Belgorod region will be further away from the front line. Maybe that's where they'll be used.
    2. +3
      5 October 2023 20: 14
      The main thing is that while they are approaching the shooting range, they themselves are not covered.
    3. -5
      5 October 2023 21: 10
      This vehicle is more difficult to camouflage, easier to detect and destroy with some kind of SPV drone, unlike a towed one. A towed mortar can be thrown with branches, and it will not be found
      1. +1
        6 October 2023 08: 45
        A towed mortar is more difficult to deliver to the front line for an artillery attack with already prepared ammunition. And if stationary, on the defensive, in a permanent position, then of course a towed mortar looks better.
      2. 0
        6 October 2023 09: 59
        And try digging a trench for a gun on a car chassis...
    4. -1
      5 October 2023 23: 25
      It’s not clear why it’s better than nones, veins or hosts, do they have worse mobility? The drone will catch up with both, and they can quickly leave the position
      1. +2
        7 October 2023 13: 46
        Tracked vehicles undoubtedly have better cross-country performance. But the flox should be cheaper to produce and operate. It consumes less fuel and does not destroy roads, which is true for all wheeled vehicles. Plus a large ammunition load.
      2. +1
        7 October 2023 15: 32
        Ong is much cheaper to operate.. And the chassis from a civilian truck has a positive effect on the overall price, I wonder if the control system from Vienna is worth it or did they save money again?
  4. -7
    5 October 2023 20: 17
    Yes, our artillerymen don’t want to get rid of the caliber zoo...
    1. +6
      5 October 2023 20: 28
      There are so many: 82, 100, 120, 122, 130, 152)))
      1. +1
        5 October 2023 20: 59
        Quote: Fedor M
        There are so many: 82, 100, 120, 122, 130, 152)))

        Debatable. Essentially, to the 82mm and 120mm mortars you need to add Tulips with a 240mm caliber. To the smooth-bore 100mm Rapier - 125mm Sprut, and if you count tank guns, then you should add 115mm from the T-62 and 100mm rifled from the T-54 (T-55). In the “100” line there is another 100mm from the BMP-3.
        To the line of large caliber it is worth adding Peony (Malka) with 203mm.
        Considering that a number of guns with 100mm and 152mm have different shells and charges, the fleet of guns is substantial.
        From optimization I heard that they began to remove 130mm guns from the first line..
        1. +1
          5 October 2023 21: 12
          Yes, it’s not a zoo that needs to be made from different calibers, but long-range 152 mm guns with a range of 40+ km
          1. -1
            5 October 2023 22: 01
            Quote from Alorg
            Yes, it’s not a zoo that needs to be made from different calibers, but long-range 152 mm guns with a range of 40+ km

            Well, who should we shoot at at such a range? or don't care where it ends up? how to take into account the wind? As with the development. be data?
            1. +1
              5 October 2023 22: 37
              Quote from: topol717
              Quote from Alorg
              Yes, it’s not a zoo that needs to be made from different calibers, but long-range 152 mm guns with a range of 40+ km

              Well, who should we shoot at at such a range? or don't care where it ends up? how to take into account the wind? As with the development. be data?

              That's right, no need. You need to take off your pants and bend over. Because of this opinion, there were no UAVs in the army at the beginning. If at 50 km, then only with guided missiles. "What for accuracy, we have hail over areas!" wrote to me in response to a desire to see high-precision weapons. But now everyone is pissing on their lancets with delight. Glory to that bright head that broke through the oak-headed old men. Let him hit at least a hundred, and at the end he steers where necessary, there will be an incentive to bring the reconnaissance to fruition. Let the first sighting and reconnaissance shell be there. It flew, deployed its wings at the ceiling and glides, collected data along the way, transmitted it, and then taxied to any target and exploded, or simply self-destructed.
              1. Urs
                0
                6 October 2023 11: 48
                Ultimately, everything will come to this. At the moment, the very concept of counter-battery warfare has changed. Just like the old fashioned way, figuring out where the enemy’s artillery is working, calculating corrections and other garbage doesn’t work anymore, the artillery installation fires a couple or three shots at the reconnaissance cores and to the gunner and bye. Until the counter brings the gun to battle, there is no one there. Hence the other tactics, the “hail” command like somewhere here, plus or minus a kilo, you need to cover the “enemy”, the probability of hitting is 0.3 or even 0.2. The effectiveness is appropriate
                Or when a fairly effective tactic is chosen, a lancet-type BP is located in the area and quickly responds to intelligence data or, in the presence of AI, to a characteristic flash and the probability of destruction is close to 1. If a towed gun is worse, if a self-propelled gun is better, the main value is the time to deploy the shot and folding transportation.Next we move on to cost calculations Yes and satisfied we choose the appropriate tactics Yes
                1. +1
                  7 October 2023 15: 41
                  Apparently, 50 km from the LBS at an altitude of 15 km hangs a specialized "AWACS" designed to detect ground targets and, through a common system, gives target designation to detected targets that are destroyed by lancets, aviation, artillery and other suitable tools.. But for this you need first of all global BIUS, high-quality fast communication (military Internet), special AWACS for ground purposes, and all the “tools” connected to this system.. For now there are only “tools”, each on its own..
          2. +4
            5 October 2023 23: 18
            Yes, we won’t be able to have such guns with high accuracy. Actually, our problems in counter-battery shooting are not in the range of the guns, but in target designation. At the time of the received coordinate, a rocket artillery shell or a gliding bomb will arrive there.
      2. -1
        5 October 2023 23: 18
        Here we have 120 and 122 in one gun. Well, the enemies have more small-caliber mortars, they only have large calibers that are unified
    2. +2
      6 October 2023 07: 31
      Quote: Hwostatij
      Yes, our artillerymen don’t want to get rid of the caliber zoo...

      They want to. That's why they make new-old guns. For old shells, of which there are countless quantities in warehouses and which need to be used. And these shells are not for firing at 40+ km, but for shelling the front line and close rear areas. And there are not enough guns for them, that's why they make new ones, according to the year of manufacture, but for old shells. Up to 200 guns per km of front is oh so far. And that's the minimum.
      Any mobile weapon is better than a towed one - it can escape faster. Someone suggests using twigs to camouflage them... Well, at the same time, it wouldn’t hurt to take the enemy’s thermal imagers.
      Counter-battery warfare is very important, but in war it plays a very secondary role. And forget about hitting a trench with a precision projectile - it's expensive, it's cheaper to fire 50-100 regular ones, only not in a week, but in one salvo (hello to the 200-guns/km, which don't exist). I mean that the main use of artillery is the front line and close rear, and for them a range of 25 km is quite enough.
      1. 0
        7 October 2023 15: 44
        Are you sure it's cheaper? And the calculations for these 200/km guns are to prepare/maintain/equip cheaper than 20 but with a height? The lancets seem to have explained everything to everyone and the question is really only in the number and variety of carriers
        1. 0
          7 October 2023 17: 59
          Can't Phlox use precision-guided munitions?
          1. 0
            7 October 2023 20: 14
            Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
            Can't Phlox use precision-guided munitions?

            Kitolov is a complex of guided artillery weapons developed at the Tula Instrument Design Bureau.

            It includes an adjustable high-explosive fragmentation projectile with a semi-active homing head that receives a reflected signal from the target illumination by a laser target designator-rangefinder. Designed to destroy armored targets and engineering structures with the first shot.
            Control along the trajectory is carried out by aerodynamic rudders with the rudders driven by the energy of the oncoming air flow[1]. There are versions of the projectile for calibers 120 mm (Kitolov-2) separate-case loading and 122 mm (Kitolov-2M) separate-case loading. For the KM-3 “Kitolov-2M” version, the maximum firing range is 12 km. The warhead is high-explosive fragmentation. Projectile length 1190 mm. Shot weight 28 kg. The mass of the explosive is 5,3 kg[2]. “Kitolov-2” was put into service in 2002[3].

            The projectile is used in artillery systems:

            SAO 2S9 (Nona-S), SAU 2S23 (Nona-SVK) - 120 mm "Kitolov-2", SAU 2S34 (Khosta);
  5. 0
    5 October 2023 20: 18
    Quote: Warrior_II_category
    Specialists, what about the Malva? Is it a disgrace (for example, in terms of firing range) or not?

    Of course it is better to have Caesar than Malva, but it is better to have Malva than ML-20 or nothing at all. At the front, both sides use Carnations, which have an even shorter range, the Ukrainians use the donated 105mm and speak well of them, IMHO it’s unlikely to expect massive supplies of the Coalition to the troops in the near future. It is not known for certain (I foresee that I will be severely downvoted) whether they can even make long-length barrels in the Russian Federation because there was information that they were either ordered or wanted to be ordered in France. Let’s say they can, but what quality and most importantly, can they be produced en masse? I remember how they laughed with the Caesars that the French would make the 20 pieces that they gave to Ukraine for six months, so this is largely due to the long barrel, the longer it is, the more difficult it is to make. And the equipment for manufacturing is also not made in a couple of months.
    1. 0
      5 October 2023 20: 20
      ...or nothing at all.

      With this approach, you can even reach the tools of the XNUMXth century...
    2. GGV
      0
      6 October 2023 07: 02
      The Oka-130 was made for the navy, and in my opinion they are still making it. But aren’t these long barrels?
      1. 0
        7 October 2023 18: 28
        In naval artillery there is a serious lag in terms of guided and cluster munitions.
      2. 0
        7 October 2023 19: 13
        In naval artillery there is a serious lag in terms of guided and cluster munitions.
    3. 0
      7 October 2023 15: 46
      "Coalitions" have just finished state tests...Now serial deliveries to the troops are being established.
  6. -4
    5 October 2023 20: 47
    Quote: Warrior_II_category
    ...or nothing at all.

    With this approach, you can even reach the tools of the XNUMXth century...

    With the approach you only need the best, you can get a situation where you really either revive museum exhibits or nothing. Walks with festive dinners did not work out, there are no allies (IMHO Iran and the DPRK are not allies but temporary partners, and for now it is very profitable for them and we must not forget that Eun is a vassal of Uncle Xi, there is little left of the industrial potential of the USSR, machine tools like in WWII from The US won’t send it in. Here you either play with the cards you have or say I’ll give up, but with the latter it’s difficult, for this you need to have a lot of courage.
    1. 0
      5 October 2023 20: 58
      There was so much material on this resource, and on others as well, about relations between the PRC and the DPRK. It’s even surprising that there are still people who believe that the DPRK is a vassal of China.)
    2. -1
      5 October 2023 22: 40
      Quote from Tim666
      Quote: Warrior_II_category
      ...or nothing at all.

      With this approach, you can even reach the tools of the XNUMXth century...

      With the approach you only need the best, you can get a situation where you really either revive museum exhibits or nothing. Walks with festive dinners did not work out, there are no allies (IMHO Iran and the DPRK are not allies but temporary partners, and for now it is very profitable for them and we must not forget that Eun is a vassal of Uncle Xi, there is little left of the industrial potential of the USSR, machine tools like in WWII from The US won’t send it in. Here you either play with the cards you have or say I’ll give up, but with the latter it’s difficult, for this you need to have a lot of courage.

      We don’t like the truth, that’s why they downvote you))) you contradict the bravura sentiments.
  7. +2
    5 October 2023 20: 56
    A good little gun, a good caliber for trench warfare.
  8. -1
    5 October 2023 21: 00
    Throws a shell at 10 - it won’t be enough. It’s interesting how the artillery responds to this product.
  9. -1
    5 October 2023 21: 01
    Throws a shell at 10 - it won’t be enough. It’s interesting how the artillery responds to this product.
    1. -2
      5 October 2023 21: 45
      Quote: Oleg Apushkin
      Throws a shell at 10 - it won’t be enough. It’s interesting how the artillery responds to this product.

      Even 10 km is quite enough. Because in military schools for generals they teach the principles of sufficiency, echeloning and interaction.
      1. 0
        6 October 2023 12: 20
        At this distance, armored self-propelled guns and tanks are cut down. "Phlox" is out of place here. And for the Basmachi, of course, it will be suitable as a reinforcement for the carts.
    2. 0
      6 October 2023 10: 07
      The wheel drive in artillery has a very narrow niche. Coastal artillery and counter-guerrilla warfare.
  10. -1
    5 October 2023 21: 05
    ... Thanks to good mobility, security, automation and relatively low price, Phlox is in great demand among the troops

    Do units now buy weapons at their own expense?
    How does price relate to demand? Or has the Ministry of Defense switched to commercial lines?
    1. 0
      6 October 2023 10: 09
      There are other ministries of defense besides the Russian one. And they, yes, are buying from Rostec exactly at on a commercial basis
    2. Urs
      0
      6 October 2023 12: 01
      “What does the price have to do with demand? Or has the Ministry of Defense switched to commercial footing?”
      Well, as if the Defense Ministry also doesn’t like a high price, there are enough cases when the high price did not work in favor of adopting a product into service. Take the “Terminator V2”, the most expensive but also the most effective product in the “terminator” line. Yes, at least the same armata, one of the arguments for delays in access to government officials was “expensive.” In the context of combat operations, the factor “a lot and cheap” is important for the country and for the Defense Ministry even now soldier
  11. +2
    5 October 2023 21: 22
    Quote: Sergej1972
    There was so much material on this resource, and on others as well, about relations between the PRC and the DPRK. It’s even surprising that there are still people who believe that the DPRK is a vassal of China.)

    They can write whatever they want on the site, I prefer to look at the facts. The DPRK has been under total sanctions for the last 15 years, and China officially complies with them too. The DPRK has enough of its own steel and cast iron, for example, but where do they get electronics, oil, components for the same rocket fuel, even their missile tractors are a Chinese development of the MAZ-543, the documentation for which China bought in the 90s. No need to tell them that they are developing this way because they have totalitarianism, no gun to the head will help give birth to a modern CNC machine when you have a DIP500 base. And if a miracle happened, then they can be sold with a bang, but no, Korea does not trade in machine tools, and they have them and they are not bad. It is strange that while China did not have the same modern machine park, it did not have it
    and to the DPRK
    1. 0
      6 October 2023 08: 52
      The DPRK's purchase of something from the PRC does not mean that North Korea is a satellite of China.
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  13. +3
    5 October 2023 21: 57
    The appearance of wheeled self-propelled guns has long been expected. Now we need these systems to become widespread!
    1. +1
      6 October 2023 07: 04
      Familiar artillerymen say from the field there are more problems from UAVs than from counter-batteries, although of course self-propelled guns are better than howitzers.
      1. 0
        6 October 2023 08: 55
        Therefore, to protect against drones, the combat module on this vehicle needs not only a machine gun, but also a grenade launcher with grapeshot grenades and a fire control system.
    2. 0
      6 October 2023 10: 11
      They will never become widespread. They have a very narrow niche. Fill it out and that's it.
  14. 0
    5 October 2023 22: 41
    Nona and Msta's guns were placed on wheels. And quite “on time” - there is mud, rain and frost on the nose.
  15. +9
    5 October 2023 23: 46
    Apparently many people watched the video, but not carefully.
    it says that the system is designed to destroy manpower, weapons and equipment in the area of ​​​​responsibility BATTALION!!!
    so the range for a standard 120-mm projectile is quite good, plus (which is also important) automation and mobility.
    Why are you whining about the coalition from topic to topic? this is a different tactical level of art (by the way, as recently reported, the coalition is already starting to be supplied to the troops, the low rate is associated with the production of new shells, which cannot be produced in large quantities, because the priority is 152 mm for old systems)
  16. -1
    5 October 2023 23: 55
    I suggest another name for the next SAO - "Zveroboy". It's perfect for terrorizing leopards and other wonders of hostile technology.
  17. +1
    6 October 2023 00: 53
    Normally, bombs are apparently flying at them there.
  18. +2
    6 October 2023 07: 12
    Hello everyone on the site. I read and some interesting conclusions suggest themselves. The experts' indignation is understandable. Give them a firing range and that's it. Let's look at the past. Tell me what caliber was the most common in WWII. The USSR had 75 mm. I haven't heard of the 75 mm Baikal for a long time (I saw the 30 mm on Berezhok), but it's a real mass-produced weapon even after so many years. Now the mass caliber is 20 mm. It is no longer sufficient for close combat. So many years have passed, but the conclusions made in WWII are still alive and, by the way, relevant. We didn't have many heavy calibers. The Germans had 155 mm, which was their main heavy and, most importantly, the lightest. The most mass-produced caliber was the 82 mm mortar for us. This weapon was not given much attention before. Only in 1943 the USSR saturated the army with this type of weapon by the end of the year. In 1944 they were produced only to replace the retired mortars. And the logic is simple, every fourth soldier, if I remember the certificate, was killed by a mine. The third mass caliber is 122 mm. Now the defense industry is in a very difficult situation. We need to produce the products that are needed now and in large quantities, and here are the bottlenecks. But this is temporary, by the New Year there will be a restart of new production and everything will be fine. There was a time when they said and considered the KA-52 not needed, they say it did not show itself very well in the Middle East. Time has put everything in its place. No need to make noise here, give it time and everything will return to normal. Nothing can be given at the wave of a wand, keeping the defense industry on a starvation diet for so many years is not working. We even kept space on a starvation diet, and now take out and put a satellite.
    1. 0
      16 February 2024 01: 41
      Tell me what caliber was the most popular in WWII. The USSR 75 mm. I haven’t heard about Baikal 75 mm for a long time,
      What was 75 mm in the USSR during WWII..??? USSR and WWII are written with a capital letter, if that..!!! What Baikal is 75 mm..???
      Now the mass caliber is 20 mm
      What mass caliber is 20 mm..???
      The Germans had 155 mm as the main heavy one and most importantly in terms of weight.
      What caliber did the Germans have in WWII, 155 mm..??? What kind of nonsense are you talking..??? Where do you live and where did you fall from..??? How many sofas do you have to wipe down to become such an expert as you..??? Do your homework better, and don't write all sorts of nonsense here, especially such that your ears wilt...!!!
  19. 0
    6 October 2023 09: 01
    It looks like a good chassis and a well-thought-out design, with a convenient arrangement of ammunition. On such a chassis you could put an 82-mm automatic "Vasilek", and even with cumulative-fragmentation mines. If you act immediately as a battery, despite the short range of the 82-mm mortar, the effect of massive fire with pre-prepared cassettes would be impressive.
  20. 0
    6 October 2023 11: 24
    So what's the rate of fire? We found a group Ukrainians in the landing, we need to urgently cover, destroy, how many shells will the gun fire before the enemy disperses?
    1. 0
      7 October 2023 19: 28
      If the battalion commander has a battery at his disposal, then most likely they will fire at the same time from two or three guns.
      As for urgent cover, it’s unlikely that such tasks would be suitable for such machines. It’s urgent to cover this rather about the good old 120-mm 2B11 camouflaged in advance in the trenches.
      Vehicles on a wheeled chassis are more suitable for artillery attacks on previously scouted targets. Disguising them close to the front edge will be difficult.
  21. +1
    6 October 2023 13: 23
    Quote: RusGr
    So what's the rate of fire? We found a group Ukrainians in the landing, we need to urgently cover, destroy, how many shells will the gun fire before the enemy disperses?

    8-10 shots per minute
  22. 0
    6 October 2023 14: 56
    Quote: Incvizitor
    Familiar artillerymen say from the field there are more problems from UAVs than from counter-batteries, although of course self-propelled guns are better than howitzers.

    ? What does self-propelled guns mean better than howitzers?
  23. 0
    6 October 2023 15: 13
    There are not enough ubiquitous 76mm regimental guns for assault groups. belay
    1. 0
      7 October 2023 19: 19
      It’s only in the movies that 76-mm guns are easily rolled along city streets. The ZIS-3 weighs close to 1,5 tons.
      For assault groups, RPG-7 and other disposable grenade launchers have long been invented. Even pocket artillery is available in the form of grenade launchers.
  24. -1
    6 October 2023 18: 00
    I think it's a good idea! It depends, of course, how much this pepelats costs
    1. 0
      7 October 2023 17: 20
      This thing is definitely several times cheaper than the tracked Nona.
  25. -2
    6 October 2023 18: 44
    Nona on the truck - the author suggests we rejoice in this?
    1. +1
      7 October 2023 13: 49
      If there are a lot of them and there is also a lot of ammunition for them, then yes, this is a serious gain.
  26. +2
    7 October 2023 17: 19
    A good self-propelled automatic mortar. We need this. Finally we decided to armor the truck cabin. Not even 50 years have passed.
  27. 0
    16 February 2024 01: 35
    It’s the 21st century, the war has been going on for two years, and their self-propelled guns are being loaded manually, just like 100 years ago.... What are they thinking when they make this “new equipment”..??? And they praise...
  28. 0
    16 February 2024 01: 49
    I read the comments. super commentators live in some kind of their own world, despite the fact that the war has been going on for two years. Well, one and a half, at the time of this article. So much has already been said about the experience of war, but these local scribblers know nothing about it. And they don't want to know. Together with the author of the article and the creators of this “super weapon”