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The President of Russia instructed the government to consider the possibility of building a new railway in the country

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The President of Russia instructed the government to consider the possibility of building a new railway in the country

Russian President Vladimir Putin approved a list of instructions following a meeting with government members held on August 16, 2023. Their list was published today on the official Kremlin website.


In particular, the head of state instructed the Cabinet to consider the possibility of building a new railway in the country. We are talking about the North Siberian Railway (SevSib) with a total length of about two thousand kilometers. The new logistics route should connect the railway network of the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug-Ugra with the Baikal-Amur Mainline.

The project involves the construction of a railway from Nizhnevartovsk through Bely Yar, Lesosibirsk, Karabula to Ust-Ilimsk and further with access to the BAM. For the first time, the project for the construction of the strategic SevSib railway, including five options for routes for laying tracks, was submitted to the Russian government for consideration back in 1996. However, within the framework of the investment project “Comprehensive Development of the Lower Angara Region” developed by 2006, the construction of this highway was not planned.



Then, experts from the Institute of Economics and Economics of the SB RAS spoke out against the decision to freeze the construction project of the North Siberian Railway. The institute pointed out that refusal to lay a new highway would lead to a decrease in the average annual growth rate of Russia's GDP by 0,2-0,4 percent, which significantly exceeds the direct costs of construction. According to experts, at that time they ranged from six to twelve billion dollars. In addition, this railway has not only economic, but also military-strategic importance.

Now, on behalf of the Russian President, the issue of building this important northern highway has again become relevant. Vladimir Putin instructed the government of the Russian Federation, together with the government of the Kemerovo region - Kuzbass, the federal state budgetary institution "Russian Academy of Sciences" and the open joint-stock company "Russian Railways" to return to considering the need to build the North Siberian Railway. The President expects a report on this issue until March 1, 2024.

In addition to the development of the northeastern transport infrastructure, the load on which has increased significantly recently after the reorientation of most of Russian exports from west to east due to disruptions in logistics with European countries, the Russian leadership also attaches great importance to the construction of new routes in the southwest of the country. This is especially true given the entry into the Russian Federation of Crimea, and last year of four more new regions.

On the sidelines of the Azov Environmental Forum held at the end of September, the Minister of Economic Development of the Zaporozhye Region, Yuri Guskov, told reporters about the completion of pre-design work on the construction of a railway from the Rostov region to Crimea along the coast of the Azov Sea. The new line will run along the so-called land corridor from the Russian mainland to the peninsula through the DPR and the Zaporozhye region.

The facility will be built by the recently created Federal State Unitary Enterprise “Railways of Novorossiya”. Guskov noted that the design will take several weeks, and after its completion, the timing of the commissioning of the new railway track will become known. Taking into account the flat terrain in the Azov region, the construction of a new line, which will also unite previously separate railway lines of new regions of the Russian Federation, will be carried out at a relatively fast pace.
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  1. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 5 October 2023 12: 25
    +4
    The project involves the construction of a railway from Nizhnevartovsk through Bely Yar, Lesosibirsk, Karabula to Ust-Ilimsk and further with access to the BAM -

    ***
    Throughout the Soviet country
    From the Pamirs to Tiksi,
    From the Carpathians to Kamchatka,
    Through the Siberian snows
    For human hearts
    With the speed of thought
    The alarm went off
    -BAM! ...
    ---
    © V.V. Vorontsov 1975


    ***
    1. credo
      credo 5 October 2023 12: 34
      -2
      It’s bad that our leadership lives by the principle: “Until thunder strikes, a man will not cross himself.”
      Someone will object, “No, it is baptized even without thunder,” to which one can answer that it is baptized without soul and faith and remembers the future only when it smells of something fried.

      It’s very bad that management thinks so slowly. Apparently the strategy is completely tense, since they will only consider this issue for now. negative
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 5 October 2023 13: 18
        +13
        Quote: credo
        It’s very bad that management thinks so slowly. Apparently the strategy is completely tense, since they will only consider this issue for now.

        Here, too, from which side to look. There is no point in building a road without a guaranteed load at full capacity because... it will not pay for itself, and when the prospect of developing the Northern Sea Route and northern port infrastructure is promoted, then the need arises to build a road for the rapid transshipment of goods. 20 years ago there was no talk of such a prospect at all.
        I wonder if the government will remember the frozen Belkomur project, which was supposed to connect the Perm region with the Arkhangelsk port through the territory of the Komi Republic? There, it is necessary to throw a railway track of 300 kilometers in order to reduce the time for transporting goods from the Urals and Siberia by a day. winked
        1. Egeny
          Egeny 5 October 2023 14: 49
          0
          Better late than never. And the picture is interesting: connect the extreme points with one branch.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 5 October 2023 15: 38
          +3
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Here, too, from which side to look. There is no point in building a road without a guaranteed load at full capacity because... it won't pay for itself

          Infrastructure is not measured in terms of payback. The cosmodrome, for example, cannot pay for itself in principle, but they are being built
          1. Adrey
            Adrey 5 October 2023 17: 02
            +1
            Quote: APASUS
            Infrastructure is not measured in terms of payback

            How is it measured? No, well, you can build a million-plus city in the Arctic Circle using budget money. But who will live there and why?
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 6 October 2023 11: 03
              +1
              Quote: Adrey
              you can build a million-plus city in the Arctic Circle using budget money. But who will live there and why?

              You have already launched into some kind of demagoguery
          2. Jonny_Su
            Jonny_Su 6 October 2023 08: 41
            0
            Now spaceports are completely commercial projects, see Sea Launch, Musk’s opening of spaceports in Texas. And this is the only correct branch of development of cosmodromes.
  2. alexandrvvsysop
    alexandrvvsysop 5 October 2023 12: 25
    +2
    And which side of Kuzbass is to this highway? Problem with coal export? For this reason, are they even ready to make such a detour?
    In general - why not? It can be built very quickly, if only there was money. You can build from five points at once, and from three - in two directions at once. There is only one big bridge - across the Yenisei. It can be built in three years.
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 5 October 2023 13: 08
      -4
      It is impossible to build quickly, because you need a large amount of free, unused construction equipment. And before my eyes, a huge tap was cut so as not to pay taxes on it.
      In China, the high pace of construction is ensured by a large amount of equipment.
    2. Ksyusha Oleneva
      Ksyusha Oleneva 6 October 2023 03: 58
      -3
      I can disappoint you, there is no one to build it.
      1. sagitovich
        sagitovich 6 October 2023 20: 23
        0
        There is nowhere to put the prisoners of war, it’s time to use them on a piece of hardware.
  3. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 5 October 2023 12: 26
    -4
    It’s interesting, it’s good to make plans, but where will we get the money?
    Maybe we can deal with Ukraine first?
    1. Doctor
      Doctor 5 October 2023 12: 37
      +5
      It’s interesting, it’s good to make plans, but where will we get the money?
      Maybe we can deal with Ukraine first?

      There will always be money for this road. Yes
      1. Saburov_Alexander53
        Saburov_Alexander53 5 October 2023 13: 34
        +3
        Maybe we can deal with Ukraine first?

        Don't think like a statesman, colleague. Stalin began building the “road on bones” immediately after the war, when there was complete devastation in the main part of the country. And all thanks to the cheap labor of prisoners and prisoners of war. And he would have built it if he had not died, and Khrushchev had not amnestied his collaborators - Vlasovites, Banderaites and all other accomplices of Hitler. So maybe they are counting on new banderlogs and our corrupt libschiza...? lol We’ll save up just in time for the end of the SVO and the readiness of the paper project.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 5 October 2023 15: 04
        -3
        Quote: Arzt
        There will always be money for this road.

        Oh well. What about the Tuvan Railway, where Putin, as prime minister, put a crutch?
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 5 October 2023 15: 50
          +1
          Oh well. What about the Tuvan Railway, where Putin, as prime minister, put a crutch?

          Tuva is not relevant. Everything related to Surgutneftegaz is relevant. laughing
      3. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 5 October 2023 15: 58
        +2
        Quote: Arzt
        There will always be money for this road.

        And there are also plenty of construction workers (prisoners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine).
        1. Carmela
          Carmela 5 October 2023 19: 06
          +4
          Quote: Polite Elk
          And there are also plenty of construction workers (prisoners of the Armed Forces of Ukraine).


          Nowadays they build not with the help of picks, wheelbarrows, shovels, but with the help of complex equipment. No forced people can work on this equipment, nor should they. They are unreliable.
          1. sagitovich
            sagitovich 6 October 2023 20: 25
            0
            So with a pick and shovel!
            And we’ll save the equipment for our own.
          2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich 9 October 2023 15: 02
            0
            Prisoners of war can also be paid for their work. Then everything will be fine with the technology. Builders could be selected more carefully, that's all. If desired, many problems can be solved, as long as problems are not created artificially.
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 12 October 2023 14: 49
              0
              Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
              Prisoners of war can also be paid for their work. Then everything will be fine with the technology.

              I read the memoirs of a former SS man about his captivity.
              After some time, he found himself in a camp with no escort. The prisoners worked in the mine. Soviet miners also worked there. They were paid the same, but, according to the German, they “earned more than the Russians because they worked better.”
              There was social competition at the mine. The Germans also took part in it and constantly took first places.
      4. Alexey Lantukh
        Alexey Lantukh 6 October 2023 23: 01
        -1
        This is not 100 km across the dry steppe, but 2000 km across the tundra, through deep swamps, mountains and rivers. This is not just a lot of money, but a huge amount of money. And everyone has heard about the deficit budget. This means that money will no longer be given for many necessary things that were already included in the plan. War gentlemen.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 5 October 2023 13: 48
      +3
      Quote: 75Sergey
      It’s interesting, it’s good to make plans, but where will we get the money?

      "Investors" will invest. Now in foreign countries it is unsafe to withdraw money to private accounts, because they can be arrested, and stored in basements - feeding inflationary mice. So they will put the “unwashed” money into shares, so that they can then milk their clear interest from the profits as shareholders.
      Probably this will still be present winked
    3. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 5 October 2023 14: 04
      0
      If the money is not written off to all sorts of reserve funds, then there is a lot of it.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich 5 October 2023 14: 22
        0
        Such a big minus in my address should be understood as the presence on the site of a supporter of burning money in the Stabilization and Reserve Funds with the rank of marshal!
        Then why do we complain about a bad life, since we don’t mind the extra money?
  4. Fangaro
    Fangaro 5 October 2023 12: 30
    0
    Such construction projects are good in terms of providing jobs. Now, to those whose retirement age has been extended, officials can look from the TV screen and say that here you go, here’s a job for you.
    1. Adrey
      Adrey 5 October 2023 12: 40
      -4
      Quote from Fangaro
      Such construction projects are good in terms of providing jobs. Now, to those whose retirement age has been extended, officials can look from the TV screen and say that here you go, here’s a job for you.

      What a horror! The road for the sake of the road. The route will pass through sparsely populated areas (there are 500 km from village to village!), in very difficult terrain with many swamps, small rivers and streams. And what are you planning to transport along it?
      Somewhere there is the route of the Subpolar Urals along the ridge (in the sense of being happily forgotten, with the money spent on exploration and surveying (and it was)). But at least there are deposits there.
      1. your vsr 66-67
        your vsr 66-67 5 October 2023 13: 04
        +7
        Quote: Adrey
        Quote from Fangaro
        Such construction projects are good in terms of providing jobs. Now, to those whose retirement age has been extended, officials can look from the TV screen and say that here you go, here’s a job for you.

        What a horror! The road for the sake of the road. The route will pass through sparsely populated areas (there are 500 km from village to village!), in very difficult terrain with many swamps, small rivers and streams. And what are you planning to transport along it?
        Somewhere there is the route of the Subpolar Urals along the ridge (in the sense of being happily forgotten, with the money spent on exploration and surveying (and it was)). But at least there are deposits there.

        This is exactly what the pessimists said about BAM! Now switch to SevSib!
        1. Adrey
          Adrey 5 October 2023 13: 39
          -2
          Quote: your vsr 66-67
          That's exactly to the word That's what pessimists said about BAM! Now switch to SevSib!

          Totally agree with you. But BAM was in the USSR and building it to the final (desired) result in my opinion so far not completed? How many years have passed?
          1. your vsr 66-67
            your vsr 66-67 5 October 2023 16: 35
            +1
            Quote: Adrey
            Quote: your vsr 66-67
            That's exactly to the word That's what pessimists said about BAM! Now switch to SevSib!

            Totally agree with you. But BAM was in the USSR and building it to the final (desired) result in my opinion so far not completed? How many years have passed?

            Yes. The second tracks are now being built. But during the initial construction, the subgrade was immediately poured out, supports for bridges, etc. were built for the second tracks. With the exception of tunnels, the cape tunnels between Severobaikalsk and Nizhneangarsk immediately made their way under the double track!
            And so, next year, in 2024, the 50th anniversary of the start of construction of the BAM will be celebrated!
            Oh, it’s a pity that I won’t be able to attend these celebrations!
            1. Adrey
              Adrey 5 October 2023 16: 43
              -2
              Quote: your vsr 66-67
              Yes. The second tracks are now being built.

              So you admit I'm right?
              And so, next year, in 2024, it will be celebrated 50-anniversary since the beginning of construction of BAM!
              1. your vsr 66-67
                your vsr 66-67 5 October 2023 19: 15
                +4
                Quote: Adrey
                Quote: your vsr 66-67
                Yes. The second tracks are now being built.

                So you admit I'm right?
                And so, next year, in 2024, it will be celebrated 50-anniversary since the beginning of construction of BAM!

                What rightness? In 1989 (if memory serves) through traffic along the BAM was opened. In single-track design. And all these years the trains went from Taishet to Vanino!
                That's how they build everything. roads! First, single-track, and then second tracks are built!
      2. ism_ek
        ism_ek 5 October 2023 13: 22
        +4
        Quote: Adrey
        many swamps,

        Where did you see the swamps? The Vasyugan swamps are just avoided.
        Quote: Adrey
        And what are you planning to transport along it?

        At least a forest. The resource, when used correctly, is renewable.
        There are many ore deposits, but no one has explored them due to their inaccessibility.
        The climate there is not so terrible, and the fact that a third of the people per 1 sq. km live there is bad.
        Quote: Adrey
        Somewhere there is the route of the Subpolar Urals along the ridge

        This is 1000 km north
        1. Adrey
          Adrey 5 October 2023 13: 49
          0
          Quote: ism_ek
          Where did you see the swamps? The Vasyugan swamps are just avoided.

          Have you ever walked through that taiga with your feet? If there is no swamp on the map, it does not mean that the soil is load-bearing. It’s scary to think how many cubes there are of the filling for the roadbed, but it (the crushed stone) needs to be brought from somewhere, transported (which means filling a parallel road) and filled.
          Quote: ism_ek
          At least a forest. The resource, when used correctly, is renewable.

          It will be so expensive for the price of diamonds. Although...private owners will cut down the forest, but the road is state-owned, from the taxes of the population. It definitely makes sense laughing
          Quote: ism_ek
          There are many ore deposits, but no one has explored them, due to inaccessibility.

          How shoud I understand this? So is it or not? laughing So maybe we’ll first find industrial deposits (promising in terms of payback) and then we’ll drag the road exactly there? Or to hell with it, the main thing is the diamond road (friends need megaprojects to absorb the budget. Where is Nord Stream, by the way? How much money have they already brought into the budget? How many times have they paid for themselves?)
          Quote: ism_ek
          The climate there is not so terrible, and the fact that a third of the people per 1 sq. km live there is bad.

          Well, go and live laughing
          The minimum I felt was -56, but the worst thing was -42 and the wind was 8 m/s. This is truly creepy.
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 5 October 2023 15: 05
            +3
            the road should reach Surgut, there are a lot of minerals there and it’s much cheaper to export products than on barges, everything that goes into construction in Russia is always beneficial, there will be railways and villages will grow along the road
            1. Adrey
              Adrey 5 October 2023 15: 20
              0
              Quote: Nastia Makarova
              the road should reach Surgut, there are a lot of minerals there and it’s much cheaper to export products than on barges, everything that goes into construction in Russia is always beneficial, there will be railways and villages will grow along the road

              Honey, there is a piece of iron to Surgut and has been for a very long time. And there is a route to Old Urengoy. Apart from oil (and they have been pumping it through pipes for a long time, at least look at the map for the sake of curiosity) and people there, there is not a single thing there, only swamps and forests (grassroots and not at all industrial).
              Then all the “northerners” in Tyumen bought up all the new buildings. They just want to live “along the road.”
          2. Grits
            Grits 5 October 2023 16: 41
            +2
            Quote: Adrey
            So maybe we’ll first find industrial deposits (promising in terms of payback) and then we’ll drag the road exactly there?

            You are contradicting yourself. If there is a railway, then the field very quickly tends to become promising and profitable, and vice versa. In Siberia and the Far East there are a huge number of deposits that have been found and explored. But not profitable due to the lack of a railway. This was the case, for example, before the construction of the BAM. Then they also said that this was a “road to nowhere.” And now, look how many fields (and very large ones) are being developed in the BAM area. The Elga coal mine and the country's largest copper mine, Udokan, are worth a lot.
            1. Adrey
              Adrey 5 October 2023 17: 10
              -1
              Quote: Gritsa
              You contradict yourself.

              Nothing like this. First it is explored, then it is considered, then it is built (if it is profitable). And not the other way around. Well, or “the rich have their own quirks” request
          3. your vsr 66-67
            your vsr 66-67 5 October 2023 16: 53
            +3
            It’s scary to think how many cubes there are of the filling for the roadbed, but it (the crushed stone) needs to be brought from somewhere, transported (which means filling a parallel road) and filled.

            Well, the subgrade is not filled with crushed stone. It is covered with either rock or sand. If you use a rock, you still sprinkle sand on top.
            No need to transport crushed stone! The builders have a lot of experience. A mobile crushed stone plant is installed directly next to the open-air quarry being developed, and off you go!
            So maybe we’ll find industrial deposits first (

            Everything has been found there a long time ago! There was no possibility of development, again due to the lack of roads!
            The Udokan copper deposit was discovered in 1949! And only with the arrival of BAM, the construction of the plant began, which just recently launched the first stage!
            Well, go and live laughing
            The minimum I felt was -56,

            Lived for 22 years at BAM.
            Minimum -58. And the days were not activated. Everyone worked. True, we had no winds.
            So, sometimes in the spring the tops of the pines will rustle and that’s it.
            1. Adrey
              Adrey 5 October 2023 17: 21
              -1
              Quote: your vsr 66-67
              No need to transport crushed stone! The builders have a lot of experience. A mobile crushed stone plant is installed directly next to the open-air quarry being developed, and off you go!

              I'm mainly talking about the western part. In the district of N. Vartovsk, you won’t be able to cool anything down with sand in the swamps; it will wash away. The nearest crushed stone is only in the Urals, 1000+ km away. Volumes - millions of tons. Then I don’t think it’s much better; I know those forests firsthand. Count for yourself request
              And most importantly, what will we carry? Oil and gas have been flowing through pipes for a long time. There are already branches to significant deposits of something else. People don’t stay there, anyone who suggests living there permanently, well, let them go and try it themselves.
              1. Alexey Lantukh
                Alexey Lantukh 7 October 2023 19: 38
                0
                In general, only the upper structure of the track is filled with crushed stone. The rest of the embankment, if there is one, is earthen-soil. Well, if the swamp or soil is not suitable, then they bring it.
          4. ism_ek
            ism_ek 5 October 2023 20: 28
            +1
            Quote: Adrey
            The minimum I felt was -56, but the worst thing was -42 and the wind was 8 m/s.

            Where did you find such temperatures? The average January temperature in Nizhnevartovsk is minus 18. Minus 52 does not happen every year and lasts at most overnight.
            We have built railways to Bovanenkovo ​​and Yakutsk. There is a completely different climate and conditions
            1. Captain Pushkin
              Captain Pushkin 12 October 2023 15: 01
              0
              Quote: ism_ek
              ism_ek (Ilya) October 5, 2023 20:28 New
              +1

              Quote: Adrey
              The minimum I felt was -56, but the worst thing was -42 and the wind was 8 m/s.

              Where did you find such temperatures? The average January temperature in Nizhnevartovsk is minus 18. Minus 52 does not happen every year and lasts at most overnight.

              40-50 years ago the climate in Siberia (and not only) was much colder in winter than it is now.
        2. Andy_nsk
          Andy_nsk 5 October 2023 16: 28
          +1
          Where did you see the swamps? The Vasyugan swamps are just avoided.

          I flew over those places by plane many times (From Novosib to Surgut, Nizhnevartovsk and other cities of the middle Ob region). Wherever you look out the window - lakes and swamps, 50/50, it will really be difficult to build there, you will have to wash a lot of sand or make other fill (not an expert in road construction), the forests there are of little value, frail, there is practically no industrial wood. I’m very glad that they are building it; it will be possible to shorten the railway road from Nsk to Nizhnevartovsk by almost half. Most likely, we can skip the plane; the train journey for about a day will suit us quite well.
          1. Adrey
            Adrey 5 October 2023 17: 28
            0
            Quote from Andy_nsk
            I’m very glad that they are building it; it will be possible to shorten the railway road from Nsk to Nizhnevartovsk by almost half. Most likely, we can skip the plane; the train journey for about a day will suit us quite well.

            Yes. But the speed of trains on such a roadway is limited to 40-60 km/h. By plane it would be better in every way.
          2. your vsr 66-67
            your vsr 66-67 5 October 2023 19: 09
            +1
            Quote from Andy_nsk
            Where did you see the swamps? The Vasyugan swamps are just avoided.

            I flew over those places by plane many times (From Novosib to Surgut, Nizhnevartovsk and other cities of the middle Ob region). Wherever you look out the window - lakes and swamps, 50/50, it will really be difficult to build there, you will have to wash a lot of sand or make other fill (not an expert in road construction), the forests there are of little value, frail, there is practically no industrial wood. I’m very glad that they are building it; it will be possible to shorten the railway road from Nsk to Nizhnevartovsk by almost half. Most likely, we can skip the plane; the train journey for about a day will suit us quite well.

            Yes, everything is exactly the same on BAM!
            The builders also helped!
            Example. The prospectors laid a route from Vitim to the east along the pressure, but it is a detour, but the base is solid! The builders came, the well-known Varshavsky, and quickly settled in the headquarters, in the customer’s group (of course, not personally) that this hook could be straightened, and it would be faster and more economical!
            Well, how can you not listen to the Hero of Labor?! They straightened it out, and the route went through the swamp!!! Orders, Hero stars, and then the operators had enough grief!
            Why are bridges and railways still being washed away along the BAM? the road? Yes, all because they deviated from the recommendations of the surveyors and the approved route plan!
            And there are plenty of rivers and rivers, lakes and swamps!
            1. ism_ek
              ism_ek 6 October 2023 12: 55
              0
              Quote: your vsr 66-67
              Example. The prospectors laid a route from Vitim to the east along the pressure, but it is a detour, but the base is solid!

              Sorry for being rude, but you must have smoked something? Vitim flows from south to north. And where do you see the swamps?

              The problem of the BAM is not the swamps, but the fact that it passes through mountain ranges. This is how the BAM went before the construction of the Severomuysky tunnel

              Naturally, high-speed traffic along the BAM was out of the question for a very long time.
          3. ism_ek
            ism_ek 5 October 2023 20: 32
            +1
            Quote from Andy_nsk
            (From Novosib to Surgut, Nizhnevartovsk and other cities of the middle Ob region).

            You were just flying over the Vasyugan swamps. The road will not be built there. And after Lesosibirsk there are mountains in general
      3. Saburov_Alexander53
        Saburov_Alexander53 5 October 2023 13: 26
        +1
        When three years ago they started talking about building a bridge across the Yenisei near Lesosibirsk, I just didn’t understand where and why? I started reading the material and determined that the goal was to develop gold mining at the mines of the main gold miner in the country, the Polyus-Zoloto company. But gold has been mined there for half a century and somehow managed without this bridge using river transport to deliver equipment and cargo to the quarries and mines. But no, it was decided to build a bridge and at first they planned a combined road and rail bridge. But then they saved money and built a car in 3 years. And now, Lesosibirsk is indicated as a place for a railway bridge. Maybe there is an option for reconstruction before laying railway tracks on the same supports?
        And with the other point of Yarka near the Boguchanskaya hydroelectric station it is not clear. There is also a road bridge across the Angara and it is longer than across the Yenisei. It is not for nothing that they say that geographers are mistaken when they call the Angara a tributary of the Yenisei. In all respects it should be the other way around, but it turned out that way...
        1. Eugene 62
          Eugene 62 5 October 2023 18: 27
          +2
          Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
          It is not for nothing that they say that geographers are mistaken when they call the Angara a tributary of the Yenisei. In all respects it should be the other way around,

          [i] [/ i]

          So the geographer and the Kama are considered a tributary of the Volga. Although, the Kama is a more ancient river. And in fact, it is the Volga that flows into it. -)
          1. Saburov_Alexander53
            Saburov_Alexander53 7 October 2023 07: 38
            0
            Eugen 62 (Ippolit Vorobyaninov), I read your comment with interest, but was surprised by the reliance on the “antiquity of the river” in the question of who is more important here. Until now, I was sure that they are more often judged by the volume of water flow per unit of time. But then it turned out that there are many exceptions to this rule in the world, for example, the Nile with the blue Nile, the Mississippi with the Missouri, the Angara with the Yenisei, etc. And looking at the Ob and the Irtysh, until the latter began to be dismantled for irrigation in Kazakhstan, it was more logical to consider that it is more important and the Ob flows into the Irtysh. There is even a configuration at the point of confluence, almost like that of the Angara with the straight Yenisei.
  5. your1970
    your1970 5 October 2023 12: 31
    +6
    This is a very necessary matter for our gigantic country. The mobility of people and goods is extremely important for the normal functioning of the economy.
    1. Seal
      Seal 5 October 2023 14: 45
      0
      We should also make our new super-highway railway tracks with a wider gauge. 3 meters is just right for us.
      The Germans figured everything out at one time
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breitspurbahn
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 5 October 2023 15: 07
        +2
        nonsense))) and then build diesel locomotives and special cars separately, and new tunnels and bridges
        1. Seal
          Seal 5 October 2023 16: 05
          0
          Exactly. In fact, we are launching a new full-fledged government project. If the Germans thought this was possible, then why can’t we do it?
          1. Saburov_Alexander53
            Saburov_Alexander53 7 October 2023 07: 57
            0
            There is a misconception that the European railway gauge is narrower than the Russian one (1520mm). But this is not the case everywhere in Europe. For example, in Spain and Portugal it is 1676 mm versus 1435 mm in England. And it is not clear why in the USA it does not coincide with any other -1473 mm. It is even more incomprehensible why England built railways in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Ceylon with a gauge of 1676 mm, like in Spain, and not like at home. And it’s quite a mystery, the track width in China is only 1000 mm for most railways and only new ones are 1435 mm. By the way, the Chinese Eastern Railway under our tsar was built on the Russian gauge, but then the Chinese switched it to their own 1435 mm gauge.
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 5 October 2023 12: 40
    +4
    They will take at least 5 years to build, and they will find $3 billion a year.
    1. Adrey
      Adrey 5 October 2023 12: 57
      -2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      They will take at least 5 years to build, and they will find $3 billion a year.

      There are 1500 t.km in a straight line. Have you been to those places? Can you imagine what's there? 100 km a year for fucking hell would be a feat.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 5 October 2023 13: 49
        +9
        Andrey. Under the tsars, in 12 years they built a highway by hand from Chelyabinsk to Vladivostok and Port Arthur. True, there were no social networks then, and the man grew up on natural products. lol
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich 5 October 2023 14: 08
          0
          Where they are now planning to build much colder, it is necessary to apply a coefficient of 1,5. That is, it will take 18 years to build it by hand. lol But, the road is shorter, one can hope that it will be faster.
          They say that the Tuzla spit from Taman towards the Crimea was manually poured by one team with a single barge in 10 years. Then it was washed away and the island of Tuzla was formed.
        2. Adrey
          Adrey 5 October 2023 14: 32
          -2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Andrey. Under the tsars, in 12 years they built a highway by hand from Chelyabinsk to Vladivostok and Port Arthur. True, there were no social networks then, and the man grew up on natural products.

          But you are right, damn it! Namely, that under the kings laughing
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 5 October 2023 15: 08
        0
        Yes, at least 50 km a year is better than any Olympics
        1. Adrey
          Adrey 5 October 2023 15: 35
          -1
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          Yes, at least 50 km a year is better than any Olympics

          Abandoned and useless to anyone in the deserted taiga? Oh well...
          I've seen this. You won’t be able to get there with your feet, much less get there on anything.
          I’m not justifying anything, but it’s better to let stadiums and houses stand where people really live hi
    2. Saburov_Alexander53
      Saburov_Alexander53 7 October 2023 08: 09
      +1
      The Zhuravka-Millerovo bypass of Ukraine, less than 140 km, took almost 3 years to build... maybe they weren’t in too much of a hurry? winked And just as a single-track railway was built to Murmansk under Nicholas I, a second track from Sortavala has not yet been built. And the entire Northern Fleet, container transportation, access to the Northern Sea Route and the region’s fisheries are “hanging” on one railway track... Why this is not the most important strategic task for Russian Railways and the state is difficult to understand.
  7. Igoresh
    Igoresh 5 October 2023 12: 44
    -5
    So our sun is confident of re-election?
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 6 October 2023 12: 58
      0
      He will instruct Tereshkova to propose calling this road Putinskaya.
  8. ivan2022
    ivan2022 5 October 2023 12: 56
    0
    What would have happened if he had taken it and not given it to him? As Volodin said: “If there is Putin, there is also Russia...”... How lucky we are, citizens!

    The only thing that worries me is that he “instructed us to consider...”
    And before that, he instructed to create (or consider the possibility?) 25 million jobs.
    If I were in charge, I would order much greater opportunities to be considered.... . As we now customarily say: “BY TIMES!”

    If anyone thinks that they “only promise” us, then he is wrong. Nobody promised us anything.

    It all comes down to the fact that bosses “give signals to the public” and “give instructions” to each other. Everything is fair!
    1. Vladimir80
      Vladimir80 5 October 2023 13: 06
      -5
      bosses “give signals to the public” and “give instructions” to each other

      Well, you painted a completely rosy picture of “they give instructions”, usually they just “call”
      p.s. By the way, everyone is a summoner except Madame E. - she simply raises the key bet and drops the ruble, without all this indecision laughing
  9. AB
    AB 5 October 2023 12: 59
    +2
    How far-sighted Stalin was. After all, under him, infrastructure construction began in the north of the USSR. As soon as he died, the corn opportunist froze all these projects. And not only these. And now, after some seventy years, they began to understand what was needed! We need to build.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 October 2023 13: 14
      +1
      A significant part of the projects was frozen immediately after Stalin’s death on the initiative of Beria and Malenkov, even before real power passed to Khrushchev.
    2. Adrey
      Adrey 5 October 2023 13: 31
      -3
      Quote from A.B.
      How far-sighted Stalin was. After all, under him, infrastructure construction began in the north of the USSR.

      Have you ever driven on those roads? The view from the window is impressive (everyone who went there says it’s somewhat depressing). The barracks and the thorn are still preserved, and there are towers along the road. Maybe just in storage for now laughing
      1. ivan2022
        ivan2022 6 October 2023 10: 31
        -2
        As far as I remember, in the 40s of the 19th century the Moscow-St. Petersburg railway was built. More than 30 thousand serfs. Mortality rate is about 1 thousand. And after this, no barracks, no thorns, no towers......

        And a century later (30-40) right up to 1953 the Yakutsk-Magadan road was being built. 50 thousand people lived in Yakutsk, and 30 thousand in Magadan

        So they threw 1 million on the road, and the victims were as many as 200 thousand!
        And everything so that there is a connection between these cities.....
        Well, for 1000 km there are only bones, bones, bones..... barracks, barracks.... thorns........
        1. Alexey Lantukh
          Alexey Lantukh 7 October 2023 19: 47
          0
          Where does this information come from about hundreds of thousands and millions? There were great casualties, and not only along the way.
  10. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 5 October 2023 13: 05
    0
    Another route if they decide to do “Barguzin”.
  11. RoadRunner
    RoadRunner 5 October 2023 13: 18
    +3
    Quote: your vsr 66-67
    This is exactly what the pessimists said about BAM! Now switch to SevSib!

    These “lost people” are all the same. These sparsely populated places may begin to develop from this, at least during construction, and the road is definitely not superfluous. But no, it’s not so for them.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 5 October 2023 15: 19
      0
      Quote: RoadRunner
      These “lost people” are all the same. These sparsely populated places may begin to develop

      Yeah. My uncle lives in one of the villages adjacent to BAM. There is no work there. I survived for several years until retirement thanks to gardening, hunting and fishing.
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 6 October 2023 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Yeah. My uncle lives in one of the villages adjacent to BAM. There is no work there. I survived for several years until retirement thanks to gardening, hunting and fishing.

        The situation is the same in the Volga and Urals regions. Not only are the villages emptying, but also the regional centers.
        How close to the railway there are, there are no all-season roads.
  12. A2AD
    A2AD 5 October 2023 13: 46
    -6
    What kind of idiotic order is this? Not only is the country now not in the mood for all sorts of projects. So the project itself does not make any sense. Economically, at most, some of the close oligarchs will save millions in their pockets, despite the fact that for this the state will shell out billions from the pockets of the common people. In my opinion, this is complete insanity and a descent into childhood. I wanted to play tu-tu chuh-chuh. Well, either the FSA specifically brought in money for the surrender of Kazakhstan. Then Pinocchio will probably mumble again that he was deceived.
    1. your1970
      your1970 5 October 2023 15: 49
      +3
      Quote from A2AD
      Not only is the country now not in the mood for all sorts of projects. So the project itself does not make any sense. Economically, at most, some of the close oligarchs will save millions in their pockets, despite the fact that for this the state will shell out billions from the pockets of the common people.

      “It would be better spent on pensioners!!”?
      They don’t build, they whine, they build, they whine....
  13. Escariot
    Escariot 5 October 2023 14: 30
    -2
    Another stillborn project. Russian Railways have not even built a bridge across the Lena to Yakutsk, which was approved 10 years ago.
    1. alexandrvvsysop
      alexandrvvsysop 5 October 2023 16: 20
      +1
      Russian Railways have nothing to do with the bridge across the Lena.
      1. Escariot
        Escariot 6 October 2023 00: 22
        -2
        Quote: aleksandrvvsysop
        Russian Railways have nothing to do with the bridge across the Lena.

        They are asking for money from the budget for both projects. So wouldn’t it be better to build a much cheaper bridge to Yakutsk?
  14. ASM
    ASM 5 October 2023 15: 37
    +1
    Well, we have many regions that are not covered by railway traffic. If some of them fall under this opportunity, then great.
    1. pettabyte
      pettabyte 6 October 2023 00: 59
      -1
      And we also have a lot of prisoners who are not trained in terms of application.
      It would seem that these are the railway tracks...
  15. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 5 October 2023 16: 01
    0
    As far as I remember, in Soviet times it was planned to build a railway. further than Nizhnevartovsk. It looks like the routes are the same, at least they talked about building a railway. bridge over the Vakh River towards Strezhevoy. There was also a bridge construction team, although there is one now; a road bridge was built recently. But then everyone knows what happened.
    1. Adrey
      Adrey 5 October 2023 17: 34
      0
      Quote: Yuri Ya.
      As far as I remember, in Soviet times it was planned to build a railway. further than Nizhnevartovsk.

      Some things work.
      Quote: Adrey
      Quote from A.B.
      How far-sighted Stalin was. After all, under him, infrastructure construction began in the north of the USSR.

      Have you ever driven on those roads? The view from the window is impressive (everyone who went there says it’s somewhat depressing). The barracks and the thorn are still preserved, and there are towers along the road. Maybe just in storage for now
  16. Seal
    Seal 5 October 2023 16: 15
    +1
    Quote: Sergej1972
    A significant part of the projects was frozen immediately after Stalin’s death on the initiative of Beria and Malenkov, even before real power passed to Khrushchev.
    This is true. Under Lavrentiy Pavlovich, they decided to temporarily mothball the construction site. Since, due to the amnesty, there was a severe shortage of labor at the facilities managed by the Main Directorate of Camps. And it was necessary to look for new labor resources. Conservation work lasted two months. The construction site was completely abandoned after the fall of Lavrenty Pavlovich.
  17. pettabyte
    pettabyte 6 October 2023 00: 58
    -1
    When oil was expensive and everything was stable, this genius and his people kept Russian money in the USA.
    Including this construction site.
    Even in 2014 they were sleeping.

    Now that that money has disappeared (yep, on its own) - suddenly there’s a fuss.
    What the hell?
  18. pettabyte
    pettabyte 6 October 2023 01: 06
    0
    But in general.
    It may be good in theory. I'm talking about the network of railway tracks everywhere.
    BUT.
    In practice, when there are 3.5 trains per day, this is neither here nor there.
    I remember from childhood - 8 carriages were already aching, which was not enough. And almost every hour.
    Now there are 4 (!) carriages and several in the morning, in the evening and two in the afternoon.
    How can a suburb develop?
    Cars - first of all you have to buy them, secondly you have to park them somewhere, and then you have to drive them (inconvenient).

    Loads? So it’s more likely that the Trans-Siberian should be made with 2-4 lanes in each direction, and then make branches.
    In general, the vector is relatively correct (only with an accuracy of “somewhere there”), the result is doubtful.
    But it’s still better to at least let something be built, that’s a fact.
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 6 October 2023 13: 25
      0
      Quote: pettabyte
      In general, the vector is relatively correct (only with an accuracy of “somewhere there”), the result is doubtful.
      But it’s still better to at least let something be built, that’s a fact.

      And it would be better if the initiative came from the Ministry of Railways and not from the top offices.
  19. pettabyte
    pettabyte 6 October 2023 01: 06
    0
    But in general.
    It may be good in theory. I'm talking about the network of railway tracks everywhere.
    BUT.
    In practice, when there are 3.5 trains per day, this is neither here nor there.
    I remember from childhood - 8 carriages were already aching, which was not enough. And almost every hour.
    Now there are 4 (!) carriages and several in the morning, in the evening and two in the afternoon.
    How can a suburb develop?
    Cars - first of all you have to buy them, secondly you have to park them somewhere, and then you have to drive them (inconvenient). And cars are stuck in traffic jams.

    Loads? So it’s more likely that the Trans-Siberian should be made with 2-4 lanes in each direction, and then make branches.
    In general, the vector is relatively correct (only with an accuracy of “somewhere there”), the result is doubtful.
    But it’s still better to at least let something be built, that’s a fact.
  20. Alekc
    Alekc 6 October 2023 10: 01
    0
    Return the railway road to Smolensk from the Lipetsk region, which was criminally stolen in its new condition. In the spring of this year, movement seemed to begin to restore the strategically important facility, but it was quickly shoved under the rug. Just like the air defense facility that they “wanted” to restore last year. Disgraceful
  21. Anh Han
    Anh Han 6 October 2023 10: 14
    0
    Bam is the great power and glory of Siberia!
  22. the same doctor
    the same doctor 6 October 2023 16: 10
    0
    You can only build where there is no permafrost. And where it is available, you should use waterways and work on a rotational basis.
  23. bone1
    bone1 9 October 2023 19: 04
    -1
    Well, wow, the Khanty and Mansi have a railway network, and trains run along the BAM