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Long-range ATACMS missiles for Ukraine: Biden and the Pentagon nod at each other

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Long-range ATACMS missiles for Ukraine: Biden and the Pentagon nod at each other

In the United States, a “vaudeville act” continues to play out with the supply of long-range ATACMS missiles to Ukraine. Let us recall that as soon as Biden received Zelensky during his recent visit to the United States, the Ukrainian and Western press came out with materials that the US President approved the supply of such missiles to Ukraine, but not with a “single” warhead, but with a cluster warhead. Moreover, it was added that the batch of missiles for delivery would be “small.”


Then other publications began to appear - this time about the fact that, they say, those newspapermen who wrote about the decision made were ahead of events.

And now - a new action of this vaudeville. The Pentagon says it will supply Ukraine with ATACMS missiles as soon as Biden approves such deliveries. That is, the Pentagon wants to say that the US President has not made such a decision to date. This is despite the fact that during one of the briefings at the White House it was stated that “the Pentagon is holding consultations on the issue of sending long-range missiles.” They nod at each other.

But that's not all. Let us recall that earlier in the Western press there was a material that said that all this talk about the supply of a “small batch of ATACMS” is aimed at putting pressure on the German government so that Scholz would approve the supply of German Taurus missiles to Ukraine. So far Olaf is unshakable... Perhaps this is due to the fact that he has already seen his supplies burning in the Zaporozhye steppes many times, when the Americans actually forced him to start deliveries tanks Leopard, for its part, stated: we will deliver our Abrams later, because “they are too difficult to use.” Or perhaps it’s because of the falling ratings of Scholz’s party in Germany. Thus, in a number of eastern Bundes-Länder, the Alternative for Germany is already almost twice ahead of Scholz’s party, not to mention the Green Party of Ms. Annalena Bärbock.

However, there is no doubt: sooner or later the Kiev regime will be supplied with ATACMS, Taurus, and everything they ask for, unless something happens that will never happen - politicians in Western countries will be in power who simply, by definition, will not understand : Why fight against Russia at all...
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  1. ximkim
    ximkim 3 October 2023 16: 23
    +4
    Kyiv will now kick Washington and Berlin to speed up deliveries - until the beginning of the 20th of December.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 3 October 2023 16: 42
      +1
      Quote: ximkim
      Kyiv will now kick Washington and Berlin

      Nothing. bully
    2. Amateur
      Amateur 3 October 2023 17: 22
      +5
      Kyiv will now kick Washington and Berlin

      If they don’t understand, they will include it in the list of the “Peacemaker” website and impose sanctions. They will ban entry into Ukraine and confiscate assets in favor of the “right sector” wassat
    3. your vsr 66-67
      your vsr 66-67 3 October 2023 17: 30
      -1
      Quote: ximkim
      Kyiv will now kick Washington and Berlin to speed up deliveries - until the beginning of the 20th of December.

      sooner or later the Kyiv regime will be supplied with both ATACMS and Taurus,

      This means more work for our air defense officers! They will learn to shoot down these too!
      1. novel66
        novel66 3 October 2023 17: 44
        +3
        And how many of ours will be killed before this??
        Fed up with your short one
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    5. Poplar
      Poplar 3 October 2023 21: 27
      +1
      Kyiv will now kick Washington and Berlin

      Well, “kick” is too strong a word. More likely: they will whine and tug at your sleeve.
  2. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 3 October 2023 16: 32
    +3
    They, both Berlin and Washington, have already realized that the supply of ALCMs and ATACMS does not make sense, but will only cause even greater difficulties in negotiations with Moscow, if any take place. Not to mention that it may arrive and it’s not a fact that it’s only in Ukraine
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 3 October 2023 16: 40
      +3
      I believe that the topic of testing the Petrel did not just arise.
      What is there, where is this shooting, smoke and wild screams coming from?
      And that’s where they draw public attention
      © M. Zhvanetsky
  3. ZovSailor
    ZovSailor 3 October 2023 16: 35
    -6
    Wow, friends and not friends!
    The opinions of each of you deserve respect, but there are nuances:
    1.Prize to the studio for whoever guesses right the first time....: Grandfather's crank has a new hobby, besides greetings from Parkinson's and Alzheimer's, as well as Jack Potz and casinos... oddly enough, not Russian roulette, but well- come on, catch up!
    Gentlemen, fellow gentlemen, it’s time to place bets: who will come running first?
    2. Let us note that the shows and performances of the gentlemen of the False West with the lured mass media and prosecutors and judges in the most democratic country in the world continue!
    This leads to the question: where does corruption flourish more: VNA BU 404 or in the most democratic country in the world?
    3. While the ex-president of the USSR is successfully gaining points, it is high time for the family and team to find a safe place and hide (Ukr - hide) what they have acquired through back-breaking labor!
    4. At ....00 years old, life is just beginning.
    And at this time..., after numerous reminders from those in charge, including S. Viktorovich and S. Kazhugetovich,... to the sounds - when a tired...... boat goes home from the depths, slowly and surely wakes up from a long hibernation "Poseidon" and together with Zeus begin the sea prelude...
    ...And over the gray plain of the sea the wind gathers clouds. Between the clouds and the sea, the "Petrel" soars proudly, like black lightning...
    The show is to be continued.
    I have the honor.
  4. ASM
    ASM 3 October 2023 16: 47
    +1
    If sclerosis serves me right, then these missiles are simply ballistic, like Tochka. Naturally, they have GPS and hit noticeably more accurately, but they do not change course in flight. In addition, the shady ones are afraid that the missiles will be used against civilians, because the old modifications were equipped with cluster warheads. And no one will give you new pots.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 3 October 2023 17: 09
      +2
      Quote from A.S.M.
      If sclerosis serves me right, then these missiles are simply ballistic, like Tochka. Naturally, they have GPS and hit noticeably more accurately, but they do not change course in flight. In addition, the shady ones are afraid that the missiles will be used against civilians, because the old modifications were equipped with cluster warheads. And no one will give you new pots.

      In fact, it is no longer a ballistic missile. Ballistic missiles are missiles from Katyusha, Grad or the overseas M26, where the direction of the missile is determined solely by the elevation angle and rotation of the launcher. ATAKMS still changes its trajectory, which means it will not be possible to calculate its future position using the two-point method.
      Well, cluster units are good against unfortified targets, for example, aircraft at an airfield or air defense systems. They cannot fill an underground bunker or ship with them, but these are natural limitations for this type of ammunition.
      1. ASM
        ASM 3 October 2023 17: 26
        +1
        Well, cluster units are good against unfortified targets, for example, aircraft at an airfield or air defense systems.

        And causing damage to civilians. In general, how to qualify these missiles? They fly purely along a ballistic trajectory, but at the final stage, when the engine has long stopped working and the rocket falls down, it taxis according to the instructions of the GPS, like a guided bomb.
        1. Escariot
          Escariot 3 October 2023 17: 52
          0
          Quote from A.S.M.
          Well, cluster units are good against unfortified targets, for example, aircraft at an airfield or air defense systems.

          And causing damage to civilians. In general, how to qualify these missiles? They fly purely along a ballistic trajectory, but at the final stage, when the engine has long stopped working and the rocket falls down, it taxis according to the instructions of the GPS, like a guided bomb.

          So the point is that it is very difficult to shoot it down in the final section, but in the initial section, when it gains altitude, it is completely impossible, because for this you need to drag the air defense behind the front line.
          Well, any weapon works well for the civilian population, but 5 targets are much tastier than a dozen civilians - airplanes and air defense installations with radars.
          1. ASM
            ASM 3 October 2023 18: 01
            +2
            Cut off GPS, or introduce significant interference? Or try to hit the air defense at an altitude of 40 km, so that the missile does not stupidly reach the final part of the trajectory, where it can taxi.
            1. Escariot
              Escariot 3 October 2023 20: 53
              0
              Quote from A.S.M.
              Cut off GPS, or introduce significant interference? Or try to hit the air defense at an altitude of 40 km, so that the missile does not stupidly reach the final part of the trajectory, where it can taxi.

              There are problems with cutting off GPS because the rocket is flying high and the antenna is pointed at the satellite + the ISN always works. Taking into account cluster munitions, which hit an area, the remaining accuracy is enough.
              Air defense does not hit 40 km. And dragging it close to the front line is dangerous.
  5. dump22
    dump22 3 October 2023 16: 48
    0
    in power in Western countries there will be politicians who simply, by definition, will not understand: why fight against Russia at all...


    And then there is another pressing question - why did they start fighting at all?

    What was such an “unsolvable” problem that it was completely impossible to solve through negotiations?
    1. Huarabey
      Huarabey 3 October 2023 17: 15
      0
      The insoluble problem was that the Amers did not want to put up with the loss of Crimea, which they so needed for their military bases. If Crimea, the DPR and the LPR had been recognized as Russian territory and had not prepared for their forceful seizure, there would have been no SVO. But they thought that they could create any game they wanted and no one could tell them. They have long been urgently asked not to expand the “NATO borders” to the East, but they did not want to listen. Here is the result. Their exorbitant imperial ambitions led to this. Apart from these ambitions of world domination, there were no real reasons to surround Russia with “red flags”.
      1. Escariot
        Escariot 3 October 2023 17: 54
        0
        Quote: Warabey
        The insoluble problem was that the Amers did not want to put up with the loss of Crimea, which they so needed for their military bases. If Crimea, the DPR and the LPR had been recognized as Russian territory and had not prepared for their forceful seizure, there would have been no SVO. But they thought that they could create any game they wanted and no one could tell them. They have long been urgently asked not to expand the “NATO borders” to the East, but they did not want to listen. Here is the result. Their exorbitant imperial ambitions led to this. Apart from these ambitions of world domination, there were no real reasons to surround Russia with “red flags”.

        Why do they need Crimea so much? Even without Crimea, conducting military operations against a country without a fleet, the Black Sea Fleet is actually locked in its bases. And the exit from the Black Sea is controlled by a NATO country, which has closed the passage for our ships. So Crimea is not really needed.
        1. Huarabey
          Huarabey 3 October 2023 18: 36
          0
          Well, why didn’t they recognize Crimea then if they didn’t need it? As I wrote, the “imperial ambitions” of the USA and Britain are to blame for everything. They don’t want to stop there and want to take control of everyone. This shouldn't have been done. You need to be able to understand what you can do and when.
          But the Black Sea Fleet is not locked anywhere. There is no need to seriously use it yet, that’s all. If one arises in a direct clash with NATO, the situation will change. This whole hat is due to the fact that the amers could not come to terms with the fact that they had lost Crimea and were preparing to seize it by the forces of “Ukraine”.
          1. dump22
            dump22 3 October 2023 18: 50
            0
            Well, why didn’t they recognize Crimea then if they didn’t need it?


            Well, no one recognized Crimea as ours, not just the United States.
            For example, China and India also did not recognize it - does this mean that China and India also need Crimea?

            amers could not come to terms with the fact that they missed Crimea


            There is some strange obsession with Crimea.
            But other NATO naval bases in the Black Sea were not suitable for them?
            Romanian Constanta, Bulgarian Varna, Turkish Sinop, Georgian Batumi?
            1. Huarabey
              Huarabey 3 October 2023 19: 21
              -2
              They don't need it. They are not yet planning to lay claim to world domination. But they didn’t recognize it simply because they don’t care about it and they don’t need to draw attention to themselves with such “opposition.”

              I say again, their fixation is not strange, but quite natural. They are used to getting their way always and everywhere. And then there was a problem. They have been preparing Ukraine for twenty-five years to become the most rabid enemies of Russia, and become part of NATO (Russia’s own mad dog under the doors, which can be let off the leash at any moment, and if that doesn’t work out, then shoot at any moment, this a successful acquisition), but she took and lost a strategically important territory. Naturally, their boil was not childish. And since they were not used to snatching it in the face, they bit at the bit. Otherwise the world will stop respecting you. Actually, now, for the same reason, they continue to pump Ukraine with weapons in order to avoid loss of face.
          2. Escariot
            Escariot 3 October 2023 21: 06
            -1
            Quote: Warabey
            Well, why didn’t they recognize Crimea then if they didn’t need it? As I wrote, the “imperial ambitions” of the USA and Britain are to blame for everything. They don’t want to stop there and want to take control of everyone. This shouldn't have been done. You need to be able to understand what you can do and when.
            But the Black Sea Fleet is not locked anywhere. There is no need to seriously use it yet, that’s all. If one arises in a direct clash with NATO, the situation will change. This whole hat is due to the fact that the amers could not come to terms with the fact that they had lost Crimea and were preparing to seize it by the forces of “Ukraine”.

            Naturally they didn’t recognize it. And they will never admit it.
            The Russian Black Sea Fleet had a need to keep an entire cruiser near Odessa, but after its death the need to keep the fleet so close to the shore immediately disappeared. The Russian Black Sea Fleet had a need to hold Zmeiny Island, but after the death of Vasily Bekh and the shelling of the island from howitzers, such a need also disappeared. Now there is a need to keep ships in the bay of Sevastopol, but this need may also disappear.
            1. Huarabey
              Huarabey 3 October 2023 21: 35
              +1
              Or maybe it won’t fall away. It's not over yet. And there are no wars without losses.
              And they recognize Crimea as Russian. And not only Crimea. And they won't go anywhere.
              So no matter how much you and your Western masters would like, you will not defeat Russia.
              1. Escariot
                Escariot 4 October 2023 00: 14
                0
                Quote: Warabey
                Or maybe it won’t fall away. It's not over yet. And there are no wars without losses.
                And they recognize Crimea as Russian. And not only Crimea. And they won't go anywhere.
                So no matter how much you and your Western masters would like, you will not defeat Russia.

                Nothing has even started yet. For now, foreplay and nothing more.
  6. Tim666
    Tim666 3 October 2023 16: 50
    +1
    Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
    They, both Berlin and Washington, have already realized that the supply of ALCMs and ATACMS does not make sense, but will only cause even greater difficulties in negotiations with Moscow, if any take place. Not to mention that it may arrive and it’s not a fact that it’s only in Ukraine

    You wrote the same thing about Chimeras, Patriots and armored vehicles
  7. Jsem_CZEKO68
    Jsem_CZEKO68 3 October 2023 17: 02
    +1
    Rakety ATACMS už budou možná na Ukrajině a pečlivě plánují Ruské cíle. Pokud se podaří je vystopovat a zničit před odpálením, bylo by to skvělé, protože tyto rakety jsou největším nebezpečím pro velitelství, letiště a muniční sklady.
    1. Jsem_CZEKO68
      Jsem_CZEKO68 3 October 2023 17: 02
      +2
      ATACMS missiles will already be possible in Ukraine and will carefully target Russian targets. If they can be tracked down and destroyed before launch, that would be great, since these missiles pose the biggest threat to headquarters, airfields and ammunition depots.
  8. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 3 October 2023 17: 42
    -2
    Quote from A.S.M.
    If sclerosis serves me right, then these missiles are simply ballistic, like Tochka. Naturally, they have GPS and hit noticeably more accurately, but they do not change course in flight. In addition, the shady ones are afraid that the missiles will be used against civilians, because the old modifications were equipped with cluster warheads. And no one will give you new pots.

    This is still true, but there is one thing: air defense provides a guarantee of hitting an object somewhere around 80%. This is ours, and it is the best in the world.
  9. opuonmed
    opuonmed 3 October 2023 18: 20
    -2
    US Army ready to supply Ukraine with long-range missiles after Biden's approval
    Long-range missiles carry between 300 and 950 cluster munitions.
    Pentagon prepared, says Army acquisition chief Bush
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-03/army-set-to-go-fast-once-biden-approves-atacms-for-ukraine

    Bush said the missiles the US will send have been identified. ATACMS could be launched from the same launchers that Ukraine already uses to launch GPS-guided missiles in batches of six at a time. The only difference is that one ATACMS is launched in a salvo from the same launcher.
    The Army is preparing for initial deliveries soon of the first version of a longer-range ATACMS replacement called Precision Strike Missile, which will allay some concerns about ATACMS readiness from the Army arsenal, Bush told reporters last month. Both manufactured by Lockheed Martin Corp.



    when are nuclear strikes on the usa and europe???????????????
    1. Huarabey
      Huarabey 3 October 2023 19: 51
      +4
      when are nuclear strikes on the usa and europe???????????????

      Then, when the launch of ballistic and intercontinental missiles is detected from their territory, and not a minute earlier.
  10. Oleg Apushkin
    Oleg Apushkin 3 October 2023 18: 33
    +2
    These missiles will be 100% on the outskirts and they will hit our people. I'm looking forward to the speeches of the Kremlin bureaucrats - what will they say? We are not like that or everyone will be sent to heaven again for their betrayal in 91-93.
    1. Huarabey
      Huarabey 3 October 2023 20: 25
      0
      Do you think Ukraine will be able to launch these missiles at once against numerous and important targets on Russian territory? And if he starts “little by little”, then he won’t choke on the answer, so that any desire to run the rest will disappear? You are wrong to think that Russia will endure everything indefinitely.
  11. Tim666
    Tim666 4 October 2023 02: 43
    0
    Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
    Quote from A.S.M.
    If sclerosis serves me right, then these missiles are simply ballistic, like Tochka. Naturally, they have GPS and hit noticeably more accurately, but they do not change course in flight. In addition, the shady ones are afraid that the missiles will be used against civilians, because the old modifications were equipped with cluster warheads. And no one will give you new pots.

    This is still true, but there is one thing: air defense provides a guarantee of hitting an object somewhere around 80%. This is ours, and it is the best in the world.

    There is only one thing, this 80% is at the landfill.