Denis Davydov: In the struggle for Internet sovereignty, Russia won

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The World International Telecommunication Conference ended in Dubai. Its main result was the signing of a new International Telecommunication Regulations. The outcome of the conference and the main tasks of the Russian state web policy, Andrei Kamenetsky spoke with the executive director of the Safe Internet League Denis Davydov.

Breaker War

How were positions divided at the conference and where did abstentions come from?

- I must say that many of the 15 abstentions did not sign the new rules, because they did not have such powers. Say, India would be in favor, but it simply had no right to sign this document. In fact, and this can be argued boldly, support for the new regulations was provided by everyone except the United States and their satellites. For the first time, we saw how the countries of the Asia-Pacific region, Africa, South and Central America vote together with Russia - all together and together. Europe and North America were in the minority.

Many said before the conference that “Russia remained isolated”, “Russia and six other countries made amendments that violate the rights and freedom of a person to have access to information.” In fact, this is certainly not the case, and this is a brilliant victory of the Russian Federation in the international arena, including the diplomatic one. The most surprising thing is that, judging by the negotiations that preceded the vote, this victory did not happen thanks to, but in spite of.

How so?

- We see the failure of the Russian communications administration, which was supposed to prepare the ground, carefully make these proposals, form the information space for these innovations. None of this has been done. If we look at the list of voters, then most of our colleagues in the Regional Commonwealth in the Field of Communications (RCC), that is, those with whom our Ministry of Communications communicates, are the administrations of communications of the CIS countries. They voted either against or abstained.

That is, Russia could not convince its colleagues in the post-Soviet space to vote correctly. And this is despite the fact that the position of many countries - like in Tajikistan, where social networks were banned the other day - has the support of our initiative. Nevertheless, on such an important treaty, their voices did not sound in our favor. This became possible only because the Russian communications administration did not carry out any work in this direction.

Nevertheless, the adoption of the new regulations is really a victory. The status quo does not suit most of the countries that were waiting for someone of Russia’s scale to make a well-developed proposal. In fact, we had to lead all those who were somehow interested in change, but could not afford to speak. Another detail. When the United States realized that they would vote against it, and everyone understood that they would vote against it, the Americans began to take time to the last, so the technical possibility to hold a closed ballot, preparation for which takes longer, was lost. If the vote were closed, many US allies and satellites would have voted as they themselves would have considered necessary, and this would strengthen the Russian position. Despite this, even in open voting, some traditional US allies supported Russia. As everyone understands: these are only attempts to keep a switch.

How much is the switch in the hands of the United States? Considering that now the regulatory functions on the Internet are in the hands of a conglomerate of American NGOs and private organizations - whose decisions are more powerful?

- Those who voted for, will live on a new contract. Those who are against will live under the Melbourne Treaty of twenty years ago, in which the Internet is not regulated at all. The final version of the modern document was developed including taking into account the wishes of the United States, but it contains several provisions that are essentially revolutionary. The United States made serious efforts to ensure that these proposals either did not appear or appeared distorted, but they did not succeed.

Regarding regulatory functions, they will not enter into force before 2015. In terms of network addressing and the distribution of network addresses and domain names, this will all remain in the US business. Well, what can I do if, historically, this is entirely their sphere. On the other hand, in terms of blocking access to undesirable content, in terms of filtering, new powers have appeared in countries. All states understand that these issues can and should be addressed at the national level. But common principles will now be developed at the supranational level at the UN level.

By the way, the United States cannot simply take and leave the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), they will have to explain their position. But if Russia and those 88 countries also present their position from the UN rostrum and show the citizens of other countries what they stand for, then our allies will become even bigger, and in the end we will come to the conclusion that the United States will remain isolated and forced make these decisions, because they will not have a reasonable argument.

About Russian Internet censorship

... We are constantly intimidated by the violation of human rights. I personally do not observe any violation of human rights on the Internet. Since we are on the Internet every day and monitor, we understand how it really works - after all, we, in fact, were one of the initiators and one of its main developers - the law on the registry of prohibited sites. We see what is happening on the Internet and info space. And there is a very concentrated impact on the information field and the artificial formation of opinions in it, which, let's say, is not in the interests of the Russian people.

But this is one aspect. Another thing that can not be overlooked is the corruption of both children and adults. This is a large amount of pornography, including child. We fought with the latter and defeated it, driven it underground and eliminated several groups that were engaged in its manufacture and distribution. The same with drugs: before the register of prohibited sites on the Internet, it was possible to find and purchase any drugs, read about the methods of production and cultivation of drugs. Now this is no longer. Naturally, earlier, as soon as the Russian Federation began to react and try to protect its citizens, everyone immediately accused her of violating the rights to freedom of speech and free access to information. But it is suicide to have access to information that destroys a person. It's like coming to the factory of poisons and breathing them.

But here immediately there is the problem of abuse and excesses. What is the guarantee that the league will not turn into a tool for settling accounts between online communities? Will not try to take control of uncomfortable resources?

- We need public control. We do not reinvent the wheel, especially with square wheels. We see what evolutionary path the entire civilized world has gone through, where the Internet appeared earlier than in Russia, and we see forms and methods of state control, public control. The same registry ... in fact, there is practically the same thing with national peculiarities in any self-respecting country. Some countries have filtering or blocking. There are no laws, but there is filtering.

Simply, it is supposedly voluntary, as in Germany, where such voluntary agreement between providers is in force. In fact, they were collected and told - guys, you enter into a voluntary agreement that you will not give users access to child pornography or Nazi content sites. And all voluntarily agreed. This is not prescribed by law, but filtering is done.

When the Russian Federation announced about the same thing that we also want to bring order in our information system, we were immediately accused of violating human rights. And naturally, they said about abuses - you have corruption in the country. And when we answer that, for example, the UK has the same scheme and it works - we were told: “Well, in the UK 500 has been democracy for years, and you, roughly speaking, with your pig snout, want a Kalashny series”. That's what they said. Because Europeans are people of the first grade, and you, Russians, people of the second grade, and you are simply incapable of it. As in the USA it was believed in the 40s that blacks do not see in the dark, the same opinion is in relation to Russia.

Therefore, the very fact of the emergence in Russia of such a law and the right to regulate the Internet at the national level was the first step towards building information sovereignty. Now the main task is to strengthen this sovereignty.

How do Russian kiberdruzhiny

How is the communication of the league with social networks, the main repository of illegal content?

- League kiberdruzhinniki carry out a voluntary moderation of social networks, photohosting, file hosting. We have an agreement with VKontakte and have the opportunity to remove child pornography from this network if it suddenly appears there. Independently, that is, we have direct access to delete information, and we interact with this network quite effectively. We can say that we cleaned it of child pornography. Looking at what was happening in 2011, it was a terrible problem.

I am sure that social networks should remain as such and change in accordance with the requests of our citizens. And citizens' requests are calm communication, without dirt, without pornography, dismemberment and other annoying content. Listening songs, watching movies, chatting with friends is a normal request that needs to be protected.

How to deal then with provocations, attempts to throw in illegal content in order to use the law to settle accounts?

- The model of the law is such that it gives enough time to the provider or hoster to sort out the situation and remove the content from the site. This is given for two days, and if we look at the site owners, the main Russian social networks react within 5 minutes. Heavy overseas services, their response time is longer, around 8 hours. At least, no one pulls up to two days and does not wait. Many say, and suddenly the site was hacked and placed pornography there. First, if the site is hacked, there is no point in posting pornography there.

You can after all try to defame or substitute, so that the site is closed.

- If the site has been hacked, you can close it after all.

And if illegal content is posted for political purposes?

- It is also meaningless, because the law just has protection against conscious attempts to block any resource on these grounds. The law has a pronounced preventive nature - many resources, where materials on drugs and suicides used to occur, the same pornography, cleared themselves of this content and remained afloat. No one has closed them, and all citizens of the country have felt this effect, because such information has become less.

Since September 1, it has been possible to close sites that are outside of Russia. Up to this point, only those sites under Russian jurisdiction where physical hosting was hosted on the territory of Russia were under Russian jurisdiction. With regard to them, the Russian Federation could still do something, and if they were somewhere in the Netherlands, nothing can be done. Now you will, such an opportunity has appeared all over the world. At the same time, there is no difference whether it is in the .ru zone or not, access to it can be closed upon the fact of a complaint about the content and if the provider refuses to respond.

The end of the anonymus era

What is the position of the league on the issue of limiting anonymity on the Web and the global identification of users proposed by Arab countries?

- We did not articulate our position on this topic, but we believe that there should be no anonymity on the web. However, it is still not present as such, because the state and law enforcement agencies are fully equipped to establish the identity of the offender on the Internet. That is, it is not a direct de-anonymization, it is mediated. If someone commits an offense, you can understand who he is, where he is, where he committed a crime, take action, and it works now. It’s probably unwise to enter the social network on a passport, and an additional restriction of anonymity, in our opinion, is unnecessary today.

On the other hand, if a citizen wants to receive public services on the Internet, communicate with the state, enjoy civil rights, he should at least introduce himself. Let's say that this is a specific Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich from Tambov, who expresses his position or collects 100 thousand signatures for the initiative to become federal and be considered by the Duma. Any citizen who comes to taste, he will understand - it is convenient. No need to hide or hide anything. We do not walk the streets of citizens who say that their name is Vasya, but in fact they are Petya.

Although there are some.

- Yes, there are such, but such a minority. If such people appear, there arise fair doubts or concerns that a person has something to hide, he is up to something.

Searches on the "black internet"

The League has developed some automatic systems for processing content, which were transferred to Roskomnadzor. Does this mean that the main work to identify illegal content will fall on the shoulders robots?

- Systems that have been transferred to Roskomnadzor, allow only to analyze and process incoming messages. Most of the information they receive automatically. But in order to find banned information on the Internet, all, wherever it is on the World Wide Web, we create a search engine. Search engine bad content. That is, it is the same Yandex or Google, only to search for all the bad. We plan to connect voice recognition and video recognition modules to it. Then it will be a powerful tool to find everything bad. Then we will understand in general how much of this is on the Internet. Now there are only relative expert estimates. We know, for example, that 70% of videos downloaded over the Internet are adult videos. Nobody truly knows how much prohibited information is on the Internet, so we create a search engine that will allow it to be found, and later it will make it easier to block and cleanse it.

We have to go this way fairly quickly, because the Internet is becoming more popular than TV and has an impact that is incomparable with other media. Effect on consciousness, its formation. If we have streams of impurities there, then the corresponding consciousness. Therefore, it must be cleaned, and people are ready for this. We conducted quite a lot of sociological polls, of the order of 77%, and this is a large figure, stand for decisive measures to restore order on the Internet. People are tired, parents are afraid that children will face destructive sects, drugs, and they are not able to resist this alone. They want someone to take this burden off of their shoulders and take up this, and it’s good if this is a strong Russian state that has historically taken care of its citizens. And why should it stop doing this?

Why all this time only American and British, non-Vietnamese and non-Brazilian Internet companies that work in Russia constantly say “no, this should not be a concern of the state, let people worry, parents themselves think how to protect their children” ? Let us then everyone will think about how to protect everyone himself, disband the army, the police, and eliminate the firefighters.

"Black Yandex", obviously, is intended for official use. What can the league offer to the end user of the Internet? Does cooperation with developers of popular browsers develop? Will league plug-ins be offered for them?

- Yes, we have applications for all popular browsers with the ability to instantly report dangerous content. Previously, we had such an opportunity on the website of the Safe Internet League, where there was a banner "report about dangerous content."

People who met advertising, cruelty, violence, drugs or illegal banner, went there and reported, but for this it was necessary to go to the league site, open the form, write ... For many, this was not entirely acceptable, because it required extra effort. Our people are accustomed to a certain comfort, and not everyone wants to move once again.

So our warriors and activists send messages directly from the browser with one button, without leaving the window where the person found the malicious content. We have all these applications available for download on our website, for example, on my computer, this is also installed.

Who will be the main censor of the Runet

How does the league plan to interact with the official authorities? Where is the boundary between the powers of the league and Roskomnadzor?

- Roskomnadzor interacts with the carrier, with the hosting provider. The Internet Safe League now provides expert support. We have developed software, we are further concentrating on its development, and we hope to create a perfect software tool for searching, filtering and blocking illegal content.

Roskomnadzor, Rospotrebnadzor and Federal Drug Control Service carry out the decision-making function regarding information that ordinary citizens, our warriors and these departments themselves find. We provide them with assistance in conducting examinations, because we have an Expert Center, which makes a collective decision whether the information contains signs of pornography or a call for suicide, etc. Accordingly, we are building partnerships with these central bodies and we understand that this is a state task.

Initially, we proposed Roskomnadzor to become the body that regulates the registry of prohibited sites, but then for some reason some market participants began to say that “this should not be the state”, and so the “registry operator” appeared in the law. Now we understand that Roskomnadzor is doing an excellent job with the task, and this is not only our opinion, it is shared by industry experts and organizations in the field of Internet business, the same RAEC, the largest telecom operators. This is a consolidated opinion regarding the fact that Roskomnadzor should perform this task, because he has already taken on it, he succeeds in doing this and no one will do this work better than him.

That is, the league positions itself as a research institute, and not a control tool?

- In general, when we talk about public control, we understand that it should be public control over the activities of government. That is, the process is this - the state created the rules of the game and told you what to do. Further, the state and business are determined how to do it, and then they each begin their activities.

At the same time, the state controls the business, and society controls state institutions and bodies in terms of transparency and respect for the interests of society. That is what we mean by public control. Rumors that "the league was trying to gain control over the Internet industry" ... if the league was created to gain control, we would have received this control a long time ago. Since these tasks have not been set before us and will never be set, these are all just scarecrows and horror stories.

Of course, gradually the state should solve a greater number of issues, including in the Internet sphere, but this is a subject for a separate discussion.

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The Safe Internet League is the largest and most reputable organization in Russia created to combat dangerous content on the World Wide Web.
The goal of the league is to eradicate dangerous content by self-organizing the professional community, participants of the Internet market and ordinary users. The Internet Safety League includes leading telecommunications operators, IT companies, Internet resources and public organizations.
The League was created with the support of the Ministry of Communications of the Russian Federation. The Board of Trustees of the League is headed by Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation Igor Schegolev.
Founder of the Safe Internet League - Charitable Foundation of St. Basil the Great.


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The conference of the International Telecommunication Union at the UN ended in Dubai December 17. During the conference, Russia, Iran and China offered to introduce the possibility of "sovereign control" of the Internet for individual countries. The US and the EU have insisted on maintaining the status quo, in which the conglomerate of American organizations actually has the main authority over the World Wide Web. The final documents oblige Internet service providers around the world to install Internet traffic analysis systems to block “undesirable” content, including torrent traffic and de-anonymization of users. In addition, the ability of national regulatory organizations to block inappropriate content is being expanded.
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  1. fenix57
    +11
    5 January 2013 08: 11
    For adult netizens, this is undoubtedly a plus. As for "... We are constantly being frightened by the violation of human rights ..." - especially from the side of the Stars and Stripes, - less attention. Moreover, the morality of OUR CHILDREN, and therefore the future of RUSSIA, is on the other side of the scale. angry
    1. +5
      5 January 2013 08: 40
      Quote: fenix57
      "- even more from the side of the Stars and Stripes, - less attention

      The dog barks the caravan is coming!
    2. +11
      5 January 2013 08: 56
      At stake is not only the future of children. The fight is for brainwashing. After all, the Internet is a huge force. And this power is for the most part used to the detriment of Russian statehood. A whole generation of Internet hamsters has grown up, who did not serve in the Army, who did absolutely nothing useful for their homeland, worked as sellers of different levels, but who considered it good form to shit their country, and it’s not worth talking about GDP (he’s stolen the whole poor from them the budget that their hamster overwork got and gobbled up all hamster babies).
      It so happened that we are completely merging media battles. Is always. The first is not a victory, but a transition to defense.
      1. +8
        5 January 2013 13: 28
        Yes, the Internet is a powerful weapon.
        Obviously, this is a very powerful means of mass disinformation, a means of forming the necessary opinions and controlling the masses. But the USA attaches no less importance to it as a means of intelligence, information gathering and surveillance of its own and foreign citizens.

        Brzezinski wrote in his book Between Two Eras: America's Role in the Technotronic Era, where he advocates the control of the masses by the political class of elites using technotronic manipulations:

        The technotronic era is creating a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite not held back by traditional values. It will soon be possible to install almost non-stop monitoring of every citizen and maintain updated databases containing even the most personal information about them. This data will be available for instant search by authorities.


        For such observation, a variety of social networks (all sorts of Facebook) are used to track the structure of connections, correspondence, and other personal information. Google with its services and Gmail and Skype is also used by special services to monitor people of interest to them.

        And by itself, Microsoft with their leaky product (I'm talking about Windows) works for the US government. It was not for nothing that at the beginning of the XNUMXs it was the US government that intervened and saved Microsoft from splitting into several independent companies when the antitrust committee attacked them.
        Windows with a variety of remote access tools integrated into it are not even windows open through which you can peep, but wide garage doors - come in, take whatever you want.

        Europe has long faced the fact that the United States at the state level uses the Internet for espionage (including industrial) for the whole world. Remember the scandal surrounding the Echelon intelligence system and the American Boeing's victory in the tender over the European concern Airbus? after that, as far as I know, the EU countries even banned the use of Windows OS on computers of state institutions.

        Needless to say, NEVER STATES AGREE TO LOSE CONTROL OVER SUCH A POWERFUL RECOGNITION RESOURCE !!! They will fight for control over him to the last ...
        1. +6
          5 January 2013 14: 21
          PS Information is also collected using the iPhone / iPad.

          Headings:

          Apple iPhone and iPad accused of spying on users

          Apple secretly saves user movement data

          iPhone spies on users using FaceTime

          Apple and Google Report to Senators

          Vesti.net: mobile iOS caught spying on users

          Apple denies FBI data transfer


          The texts of these articles can be read here in this selection http://dokumentika.org/spetssluzhbi/iphone-i-ipad-obvinili-v-slezhke-za-polzovat
          elyami



          And also

          Mac and Windows found a "super dangerous" vulnerability
          http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=893019

          However, this is not even the tip of the iceberg, but its little patch ...

          Meanwhile, when we consider our small victories, the States decide to introduce Internet passports that will help to solve two problems - consolidating the full US monopoly on Internet control and unambiguous identification all network users.

          Learn more here:
          US and Worldwide Passports Online - Massive Transition to IPv6?
          http://dokumentika.org/spetssluzhbi/internet-pasporta-ssha-i-ostalnogo-mira
          1. +4
            5 January 2013 14: 46
            Special services and surveillance of Internet users through trojans and viruses
            04.12.2012

            In Germany, a scandal erupted around police officers from Bavaria who used illegal methods to track suspects. A group of programmers managed to crack a spyware program created by law enforcement. The application collected personal data from users' computers, including images from webcams, sound from microphones and texts typed on the keyboard. ....

            more http://dokumentika.org/spetssluzhbi/v-germanii-politsiya-s-pomoschiu-spetsialnic
            h-programm-poluchala-dannie-iz-lichnich-kompiuterov


            And you can continue these quotes indefinitely.
            Now Internet = Tracking и Internet = Intelligence

            In addition, a great way to dump extracted intelligence. Remember the old spy movies where spies hid microfilms with drawings in a hollow or under a stone, and they were caught by vigilant counterintelligence? Naive old times! Now from any Internet cafe you can easily and simply transfer any information directly to the CIA.
      2. djon3volta
        +20
        5 January 2013 14: 11
        I like this one.
        What was stolen from you, son?

        Hysteria swept the Internet. Pimpled idiots screech at every corner about crooks and thieves. They urge to unite and rock the boat, at the same time they imagine themselves not as some cattle, but as an active minority, the conscience of the nation, the thinking vanguard, and the elite of society.

        Reading the next convulsive repost of a beardless youth who did not smell the powder of the civil war, I would like to ask:

        What was stolen from you, son? Where is the product that you created yourself, brought it to the market and its insidious thieves?

        Forget about oil and gas. They are not yours a priori. They are mined from the land of Nivkhs and Siberian khans by workers from neighboring countries or from the Russian hinterland on a rotational basis using equipment purchased not with your money and created not with your hands.

        Forget the budget. He is not yours either, because in order to take something from the common fund, you must first put something there.

        You drove into your city in search of a freebie, somehow got an office rat in a firm engaged in merchandising huelling, and simply pushing some expired western pussy to the Russian market, or an official in the licensing / quoting department of pushing this pussy to the Russian market - you are bored at your work, you wait for Friday - Friday comes, but you don’t have enough money for the chic life you see around you, you stick out on the Internet between classmates, the theme of Lebedev and bulk and suddenly, here it is!
        It turns out who is to blame - they all drained!
        They merged your millions, which you earned with sweat and blood, so young, beautiful and smart.
        But this is a brand - it flashes somewhere in your rotten, Internet-occupied subconscious mind - and you feverishly start overthinking all this huerga about a party of crooks and thieves, replicating an indescribably witty “mutin pudak” into the kamenty of the top pages, imagining yourself as a robin hood and secretly hoping to break through into ratings and earn on this some unknown Internet fucking.

        Meanwhile, the Korean Lee took empty land in the Ferzik region and without even hiring the Chinese, he alone, with small children and a pregnant wife, raised pork, watermelons, tomatoes, brought them to the market, sold, rebuilt the mansion, sent his eldest son to the city to study and no one nothing was stolen from him ... There’s no reason to continue, millions of people work sweaty and they don’t have time and desire to figure out who stole from whom.
        You can’t catch without labor and wise from the pool.

        Build a house, plant a tree, give birth to a son. Why are you jerking off on this bullshit, that you are sticking your nose out of your business, in which, by the way, you do not understand anything?
        Officials take their toll everywhere: in China, where the executions do not help, and in America, the world thief. This is a fundamental law of nature.

        Even if everything that you think was stolen is taken and divided into all - your share is enough for you to have a week to sip your favorite cheap Okhota beer.

        Or do you hope that when you divide, you will be taken into account what you wrote in kamenty to the top posts of “mutin-pudak” and get more?

        Nevertheless, the world is beautiful, full of hopes and opportunities, but you robbed yourself. You don’t know how, your neighbor doesn’t need your work, let alone the world market, everything is through your ass, you’re not even able to write an interesting creative post about these same “crooks and thieves”.
        1. Cavas
          +3
          5 January 2013 14: 13
          Quote: djon3volta

          I like this one.

          Do you think we didn’t know this ??))) good good
      3. s1н7т
        +1
        6 January 2013 00: 26
        Quote: Mitek
        It so happened that we are completely merging media battles. Is always. The first is not a victory, but a transition to defense.

        Do you know why you drain? Because your cause is wrong. The same your GDP-does not continue the Gorby-Yeltsin policy? Did he break the back of the "family"? Did he somehow unite the country? He confessed his condition and gave it to the poor? You yourself - hamster! Like a pig at the EP and Co.
        1. 0
          6 January 2013 08: 05
          There is a little higher post about people like you, do not tear the anus, it will come in handy yet.
    3. +2
      5 January 2013 09: 19
      fenix57,
      I do not see any cons !!! drinks hi
    4. +8
      5 January 2013 11: 06
      The United States will remain in isolation and will be forced to make these decisions because it will not have reasonable arguments.


      The naivety itself! But naivety is not a sign of stupidity, but a purity of the soul! arrogant Saxons always spit on everyone, it will be necessary to spit again! They need to set such conditions. that everything would depend not on the rationality of explaining their position, but on the disadvantage of their position to them! You don’t want the type - it will be worse, you can talk to them ONLY from a position of strength!
    5. s1н7т
      +1
      6 January 2013 00: 19
      Quote: fenix57
      on the other side of the scale, the morality of OUR CHILDREN, and therefore the future of RUSSIA. angry

      Our children or the Internet? Morality depends on us, do not write chukhnu.
  2. +5
    5 January 2013 08: 15
    the problem is that a software product designed to track bad content can also be used to track any content

    so here you need to work carefully :)
  3. WW3
    WW3
    +9
    5 January 2013 08: 20
    Another thing that cannot be overlooked is the corruption of both children and adults. This is a large amount of pornography, including child pornography. With the latter, we fought and defeated her, drove them underground and liquidated several groups that were engaged in its manufacture and distribution. It’s the same with drugs: before the registry of banned sites appeared on the Internet, you could find and purchase any drugs, read about the methods of production and cultivation of drugs.

    Child pornography and drug trafficking are evil, and evil must be punished ....
    http://www.sosdety.ru/Borbasdetskoypornografiey.html
  4. +7
    5 January 2013 08: 28
    Another cut off from the Internet loud zhurnalyug-they are ofigel - the names, caps of articles and notes, the world is blown up, then something else has died, it would be necessary to know the measure.
  5. +5
    5 January 2013 08: 34
    Recently I wanted to watch the series "The X-Files" - I enter "X-Files" (current in English, typed "x" and "dash", Yandex typed "x-art" itself, (I confess, accidentally pressed Enter). genitals all over the screen, for every taste and color. am . What kind of cleanliness on the Internet. The most popular pancake request.
  6. Fox
    +5
    5 January 2013 08: 34
    But this is one aspect. Another thing that cannot be overlooked is the corruption of both children and adults. This is a large amount of pornography, including child pornography. With the latter, we fought and defeated her, drove them underground and liquidated several groups that were engaged in its manufacture and distribution. It’s the same with drugs: until the registry of banned sites on the Internet, you could find and purchase any drugs, read about the methods of production and cultivation of drugs. Now this is no longer ._________________ the author lives on the moon? Acting as wishful thinking, you need to at least sometimes look out on the street, so that later there would be no triumphant reports about victories over drugs and porn .... py.sy. or maybe I’m not living in that country? ...
    1. ZKBM-BUT
      0
      5 January 2013 10: 47
      yes the author is right. can of course beautify a bit. but what is the story without a drop of exaggeration ?. they actually closed all the travel sites where you could buy marijuana seeds. vodka would be better banned on pain of death. from her, I personally grabbed a bunch of grief with my mother and brother. vodka is no different from heroin. heroin = vodka and vodka = heroin. I am familiar with both, and I perfectly understand what I am talking about. I see absolutely no difference in them. I do not understand when people produce, sell vodka, receive money from it and at the same time consider themselves correct, sleep soundly and soundly. personally, these law-abiding citizens simply "kill" me. it seems like according to the law everything is correct. what about conscience? BUT FOR THE CONSCIENCE OF THE ARTICLE NO. I want to describe in words how much grief vodka brought to my house, but I can't, it's impossible to express it in words. and to whom has marijuana really brought harm? do you know those? I personally don't know. although I searched for such cases for a long time and persistently by interviewing friends and the Internet. there are morons who make excuses that marijuana led them to heroin. but this is nonsense, complete nonsense. the reasons for the addiction to heroin are quite different. I am not suggesting that marijuana is a vitamin. but from it there is less harm than from ordinary cigarettes, it is generally incomparable with vodka, from beer ito harm more than from marijuana. and why the sites were closed on which one could easily buy seeds, grow a couple of "Christmas trees" and smoke quietly, sitting quietly and peacefully near the house on the "pile", without disturbing anyone ?.
      1. ZKBM-BUT
        +1
        5 January 2013 11: 12
        What kind of mouse still guessed minusanut? do you justify your minus. try to formulate an excuse for your act.
      2. +1
        5 January 2013 19: 16
        I agree with you on something, but there is always BUT ... I was born and raised at a time when tobacco and vodka were already sold and were legal with slight restrictions, such as by age and time of sales. This is life in society with small minuses. So let's not produce minuses, otherwise different wise men, using the tear of a child, the suffering of the sick will suit us with Sodom and Gomorrah
        1. ZKBM-BUT
          0
          6 January 2013 10: 52
          Yes, it just infuriates me when they do that. from a substance that has not taken a human life throughout history, is now given up to a life term. and for vodka that takes TENS of THOUSANDS lives, only in Russia, only in ONE COUNTRY. do absolutely nothing. This shit is even drunk on a birthday !!!! ON THE BIRTHDAY OF LIFE IN THE LIGHT !!!! and it is believed that the stronger you stuff the body with vodka on this essentially holy day, the better you celebrated your birthday. I despise such a society. it must be changed. you can’t live a herd of sheep forever.
  7. +7
    5 January 2013 08: 46
    The news is just awesome !!! good
    Now I will worry less that my children will dig something nasty in the internet, in my absence!
    Yes, and Muslim radicals, with their sites for the assembly of martyrs' belts, now I hope not to clear up!
    1. +7
      5 January 2013 09: 01
      Quote: sergo0000
      Now I will worry less that my children will dig something nasty in the internet, in my absence!

      Hi Sergey, what are you talking about? Open the search engine and enter the word porn, explosives, drugs - for every taste. Half of the Internet needs to be blocked, and that’s tens of millions of Saites. The plague spreads very quickly request
      1. 0
        5 January 2013 09: 16
        Alexander Romanov,
        That's what Sasha is talking about !!!
        I hope that now it will be less! drinks
        1. +4
          5 January 2013 10: 58
          Quote: sergo0000
          I hope that now it will be less!
          Greetings to Sanya, Sergey. Of course, there will be less, but for every opu there will be x ------- r with a screw. Learn how to get around this, in the easy.
    2. s1н7т
      0
      6 January 2013 00: 32
      Quote: sergo0000
      The news is just awesome !!! good
      Now I will worry less that my children will dig something nasty in the internet, in my absence!

      As he raised children, they will dig, however! Are you afraid of yourself? laughing
  8. USA95
    +1
    5 January 2013 09: 25
    Wife to her husband: - Go to the store and buy eggs ... My husband is too lazy to tear himself away from the TV jokes: - I have two eggs ... Enough? She also jokingly: - And what can they be eaten? He: - You can’t eat, but you can lick! She: - Well, wonderful! In the morning you lie down for breakfast))
  9. +3
    5 January 2013 09: 52
    Quote: sergo0000
    I do not see any cons !!!


    ... and that's great!
    And still, the personalization of all sub-pick-up mongrel anonymous would be washed away ... laughing
  10. fenix57
    0
    5 January 2013 10: 22
    sergo0000- mutually. drinks
  11. +1
    5 January 2013 10: 44
    Congratulations on your first victory! I hope not with the latter!
  12. +4
    5 January 2013 11: 07
    Quote: sergo0000
    I do not see any cons !!!

    I see. If anonymity is canceled, if it is possible to influence the content, then a small two or three walkers and bureaucrats will do whatever they want in order to protect their sacred ass from popular anger. And they are very afraid of spreading information about themselves loved ones. Now it is enough for them to strengthen their legal entity. verbiage ("law") about libel and then try to tell that the judge is such and such rotten an honest person, or such and such cops are selling drugs.
    Child porn and other abominations - I agree one hundred percent. But the fight against anonymity is, excuse me, why? You never know whether a person has infa, but he is really afraid to open it with his name.
    In short, remember that every "elite" dreams of getting voiceless slaves and will always figure out how to do it.
    1. +1
      5 January 2013 11: 21
      Magadan,
      You did not understand. It will block the content itself, which is prohibited according to the vigilantes, and not the user!
      Nobody closes our mouths with us! wink
  13. +3
    5 January 2013 11: 14
    This is a large amount of pornography, including child pornography. With the latter, we fought and defeated her,

    After all, they won ...

    We did not articulate our position on this topic, but we believe that there should not be anonymity on the Web.

    China is already there with Iran (which is disconnected from the World Wide Web), it is strange that insidious bourgeoisie do not have such proposals ...
  14. sad32wqesadf
    0
    5 January 2013 11: 21
    It just can't be !!! The FSB has created this http://zipurl.ws/sngbaza database about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. Really was really scared
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
  15. aleksandrik
    +2
    5 January 2013 14: 37
    I hope my comments and my access to this site can also be banned due to the fact that Russia has retained Internet sovereignty good it is not clear only from whom request

    The only thing that confuses ... how did they get to such a situation that the devil knows child pornography on social networks for how many years and everyone was spitting ... or that the damned Yankees put sticks in wheels? request

    And the transcendents of obscurantism have already been told to you - Comics of Artemy Lebedev Studio was in the register of banned sites))) and believe me - this is only the beginning! Here they’ll pass a law on insulting the feelings of believers fool and not this will begin negative


  16. +5
    5 January 2013 14: 58
    Why all this time only American and British, non-Vietnamese and non-Brazilian Internet companies that work in Russia constantly say “no, this should not be a concern of the state, let people worry, parents themselves think how to protect their children” ? Let us then everyone will think about how to protect everyone himself, disband the army, the police, and eliminate the firefighters.

    "Let's!" the US and the EU will shout with a squeal of joy.
    All this is intended to mean that through the entire rubbish in the network, nations gradually degraded and in this regard Russia, Asia-Pacific countries, Africa, South and Central America in one situation. For the Anglo-Saxons need talerastnyh universal people around the world.
    It is commendable that Russia acts as a locomotive in this matter.
    And look at our allies in the CIS, their tails pressed in fear of angering Uncle Sam voted against or abstained. Prostitutes.
  17. +2
    5 January 2013 17: 01
    just breaking fast

    defense is being rebuilt in the information field. The case is extremely necessary and necessary.
  18. +2
    5 January 2013 19: 10
    What's worse: censorship, or media out of control? We look around- TV, the press, the Internet (especially!), And the answer is obvious! It's time to give a damn about the opinions of our highly developed lol "friends" about the so-called. freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, etc. and to edit laws in line with ensuring the security of the country, taking into account precisely our special conditions.
    1. s1н7т
      0
      6 January 2013 00: 38
      Quote: builder74
      What's worse: censorship, or media out of control?

      Shitty promise, however! Did you vote for Yeltsin? Did the democracies rejoice? What are you writing about now ?! Pi-pez, a herd of idiots or paid trolls !!!
      1. 11Goor11
        0
        6 January 2013 01: 27
        s1n7t, what are you so upset about? Do you like child pornography?
        1. aleksandrik
          0
          6 January 2013 16: 08
          s1n7t, what are you so upset about? Do you like child pornography?


          Child pornography has nothing to do with both democracy and totalitarianism and other forms of government! negative not to mention freedom of speech and the media!
  19. +4
    5 January 2013 20: 25
    What idiocy is happening in the prohibition of sites can be seen in the example
    http://zhurnal.lib.ru/
    And this is not some kind of "extremist site" - it could be called one of the wonders of the world of the new generation.
    Thousands (more than 100 thousand!) Of Russian-language authors publish their literary works there - prose, science fiction, fantasy ... - nothing like this is found in the English Internet segment in any other - only such a miracle could appear on the Russian-language Internet - a living proof of overwhelming superiority Russian creativity over the rest of the world.
    And this site is included in the list of extremist.
    Who could need this?
    And for what?
    1. Volkhov
      +3
      5 January 2013 22: 55
      Literature in their understanding should be totally controlled - for thousands of years they have burned books and libraries - nothing new.
    2. s1н7т
      +2
      6 January 2013 00: 47
      Supporters of Putin’s statehood do not watch anything but porn on the Web — what books are there ?! laughing
      But seriously - they were going to this. The self-preservation instinct of power is to ban everything! Ideally - a "thorn" between blocks in the city. And machine gunners at the corners. Passed. For 20 years, many morons have grown up with an incomprehensible education and upbringing who no longer know the past.
  20. +1
    5 January 2013 23: 09
    "And there is a very concentrated impact on the information field and the artificial formation of opinions in it, which, shall we say, are not in the interests of the Russian people." - this phrase can be interpreted so broadly .... that all who are against Poo! - he harms the Russian people.
    And what? We have already gone through this.
  21. georg737577
    +1
    6 January 2013 04: 08
    Personally, I think virtual space is extraterritorial by default. And there is nothing for the state (anyone) to try to control the network. Trust me - the government doesn't care about child pornography, etc. some of these sites are specially created by the relevant services (so that there would be something to fight, as well as for the subsequent blackmail and coercion of users into cooperation) and this is not a secret. Any state sleeps and sees the possibility of round-the-clock control of its citizens in real time. I am against "Big Brother", the Internet should be free from the "care" of the authorities.
  22. +1
    6 January 2013 11: 09
    I know one thing: no one will tell us: "we want to shut your mouths so that you dare not say anything about us loved ones." And everything is always done "for the sake of our good with you." Here, demonstrations were banned. Of course, this is against the "orange", against the "revolutions". Well, of course, they didn't mean that they really wanted to cover the butts of the same pedophiles who are being set free. Remember Blagoveshchensk? The cops released the pedophile, but the people spontaneously gathered at the cops. The case got publicity, the pedophile was driven back, and the cops were fired.
    So now, who the hell is going to meet at the rally, and soon you won’t spread the info about the pedophile in the internet. Well, we have a libel law and a ban on anonymity. Everything is for our good.
    Well, bureaucrats, do you think they won? How do you like this move: my friend from the USA writes to me about what is being done in Russia. I just TRANSLATE his letter. How do I know if it is slander or not? Will you start planting translators too?
    And this is not all that you can think of in response to your "approaches".
  23. +1
    6 January 2013 12: 04
    In terms of network addressing and distribution of network addresses and domain names - all this will remain in the field of activity of the USA. Well, what can I do if historically this is entirely their sphere.

    Well, what kind of victory are we talking about?
    Complete technological dependence on the United States.
    Taking into account the fact that spyware comes with official updates and mainframes and servers made in USA are stuffed with hardware and software (the satellite will give a signal and the arrows on the railways will stop switching), then it's ridiculous to talk about some kind of "victories".

    What to do?
    Well, for starters, change the government to a competent one.
    And it’s not even about Stalin’s iron commissars (where can I get them now?), But just about professionally trained people.
    And of course to expel all these young "effective managers" from the Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications.
    And professionals know what to do.

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