Defense Express: In September, the Russian Federation launched a record number of Shahed-type drones across Ukraine

Russian drums Drones "Geran-2" has proven itself to be an excellent means of destroying enemy military targets located deep in the rear. At the same time, one of the main advantages of this weapon is its low cost, which makes it possible to use drones-kamikaze in large quantities.

As a matter of fact, the Defense Express portal writes about the increase in the number of Geran-2 UAVs by the Russian Armed Forces during one wave of attacks on Ukrainian Armed Forces facilities located on the territory of Ukraine.

Thus, the material says that in September the Russian army released a record number of Shaheds in Ukraine (Ukrainian and Western media stubbornly continue to consider these drones to be Iranian) - 503 units. The previous record was recorded in May and amounted to 413 units. In August, this figure was 167.

Analysts from the Ukrainian military portal associate the September increase in Geranium launches with two components.

Firstly, as stated in the material, the effectiveness of these drones increases significantly if launched from 40 units. Thus, experts write that when Russia launched 20 UAVs, Ukrainian air defense allegedly worked at 100%. At the same time, when launching 40 drones, the effectiveness of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ air defense was 73-77%.

Secondly, analysts attribute the increase in the number of drones in one attack wave, as well as the waves themselves, to their low cost and short production time when compared with cruise missiles. As a result, according to experts, the Russian Armed Forces are focusing specifically on drones, since Russia allegedly spent too many missiles last year.

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[Orange Bigg]

This is still a small thing compared to the UMPC with FAB-1500M54. Air Force officers filmed the consequences of using the UMPC with FAB-1500M54. Video at the link below.

This is such beauty. They write that UMPC is 1500.
It’s clear what a 1500 kg warhead is. The funnel is noticeably larger than 500ki.

This is why I have repeatedly said that it is necessary to increase the mass of warheads on guided missiles to one and a half to two tons. Modern infrastructure structures made of reinforced concrete have much greater durability than brick-wood structures in WWII.

And at the same time, it is necessary to reduce the cost of such products as much as possible so that they can be used en masse. Even using V-1 technology, only with modern control systems. There is no need for a gigantic range, unique accuracy, a quota of 20-30 meters, and at 200 km, with two tons of warheads, a primitive and cheap PURD (pulsating air jet engine, which does not have expensive turbines, a compressor), with a UMPC, and launch from the pylons of even transport aircraft, 6-8 pieces in a salvo - the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not even be able to track them, unlike strategic bombers. Well, of course, with the usual 34, 35x.

And in the version with an ODAB (volume detonating aerial bomb), the destruction radius is enough to completely destroy a strong point. However, these can be done without an engine, just throw them off the UMPC now. Perhaps after our troops go on the offensive, we will see this, instead of lunaring the terrain with the help of 152 mm howitzers.

https://t.me/igorstrelkov/19698

[Murmur 55]

Orange bigg , these FAB-1500M54 will not fly such a distance and there seems to be a problem with the quantity, or maybe politics is interfering again, and Geraniums fly almost every night.

[Orange Bigg]

Well, if the FAB-1500M54 flew at 2000 km like Geran-2, then there would be no need for the latter. And a gliding range of 150 km for the FAB-1500M54 is quite enough. And by the way, it would be nice for the FAB-3000 (there’s just 1400 kg explosives) to build a UMPC. So that the Tu-22M3M can fly at least 100 km across bridges. Or a modified X-32 with a warhead increased to 1750 kg.

Here's another video.

The beginning of yesterday morning - the arrival of UMPC FAB-1500 M54 at the fortification

https://m.vk.com/wall-72671313_2243540

[Saburov_Alexander53]

I have a poor understanding of aircraft, although as a child I studied in an aircraft modeling club, for a short time... If you do not take into account the guidance system using Glonass or GPS, then it would seem that what prevented all countries from starting mass production of non-attack, reconnaissance drones where - in the late 90s, early XNUMXs? It is clear that it is not the engine or the body made of carbon fiber. Obviously, it's all about controlling and pointing the device at the target. First it was necessary to reach a digital TV signal, with a miniature video camera, and most importantly the signal reception/transmission channel itself.
But with drums, like Geranium or Lancet, everything would seem simpler. If by that time there were already similar guidance systems on cruise missiles, then it was all about the size (weight) of this system, which these drones could not pull? After all, the GPS system began working in 1993, and at the turn of the century, navigators were installed on most yachts and motor boats. So why is there such a belated development of aerial drones and not only in our country? I guess that I’m just not up to date with the development of these weapons... not an aviator at all.

[Orange Bigg]

In the USSR, there were similar developments back in the 80s. I mean something like the UMPC. They showed it to the Soviet military, but they were not impressed and dismissed it. And then in the 90s something fell into the hands of the Americans.

We have long written about the reasons why “Russian JDAMs,” or more precisely, planning and correction modules, appeared much later than their American competitors. ... the first tests of such bombs took place in the late 80s, but then the nineties came, at the beginning of which the Union collapsed, and that’s all! Dozens of promising developments were shelved, or were simply stolen by new and then very smiling Western partners.

We are talking, as you understand, about the Joint Direct Attack Munition, or JDAM, system, which only the lazy don’t talk about anymore. ... The reason for the appearance of JDAM turned out to be quite banal and well known to us. Having spent the main supply of guided missiles and adjustable aerial bombs in the very first weeks of the war with Saddam Hussein’s army, the Americans for the first time faced a large shortage of this type of ammunition and had to use conventional high-explosive aerial bombs to bomb Iraq. ... At the same time, work was carried out to increase their accuracy. They ended just in time for the start of the bombing of Yugoslavia, and the unfortunate Serbs became the first on whom this extremely powerful and dangerous weapon was tested.

https://k-politika.ru/fab-s-umpk-za-9-mesyacev-proshli-put-na-kotoryj-boingu-ponadobilos-5-let/

[Shelest2000]

I wonder what was there before?...

[Rumata]

Quote from Orange Bigg

This is why I have repeatedly said that it is necessary to increase the mass of warheads on guided missiles to one and a half to two tons.

And I said it was baby talk on the lawn. This is what is needed, to revive the legacy of Comrade Stalin. FAB-9000, 1954:

[Piramidon]

Quote: Rumata

Quote from Orange Bigg

This is why I have repeatedly said that it is necessary to increase the mass of warheads on guided missiles to one and a half to two tons.

And I said it was baby talk on the lawn. This is what is needed, to revive the legacy of Comrade Stalin. FAB-9000, 1954:

What size wings will need to be attached to this pig?

[Rumata]

Quote: Piramidon

What size wings will need to be attached to this pig?

Yes. There is a problem with the carrier. The new is the well-forgotten old. I offer a towed version - a glider. Any large truck, for example Il-76, will be suitable as a tractor.

[turcom]

There is probably no goal for such a colossus yet. They will definitely appear when they attack.

[shikin]

Then, probably, the carrier for it will have to be revived. Or seriously remodel existing ones.

[Pankrat25]

Do you know that no one has ever replicated the German pulsating jet engine?

[Rumata]

Quote: Pankrat25

Do you know that no one has ever replicated the German pulsating jet engine?

Learn materiel. Also, as they repeated, not to mention the mass of the mini-puerbjet engines for the models.

the USSR

10Х · 14Х · 16Х - thanks to the use of two engines, the practical flight speed limit for the PuVRD was reached - 980 km/h (270 m/s).

USA

JB-2
In the early 2010s, there was a revival of interest in PURD: their development and testing is carried out by General Electric, Pratt & Whitney, SNECMA, as well as the domestic NPO Saturn

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[Askold65]

Quote from Orange Bigg

And at the same time, it is necessary to reduce the cost of such products as much as possible so that they can be used en masse. Even using V-1 technology, only with modern control systems. There is no need for a gigantic range, unique accuracy, a quota of 20-30 meters, and at 200 km, with two tons of warheads, a primitive and cheap PURD (pulsating air jet engine, which does not have expensive turbines or a compressor),

I heard about something similar on Vesti FM from the Russian Engineer tg. According to him, many components of such rockets can be stamped on 3D printers, and cheap kerosene mixtures can be used as fuel.

[Arzoo]

This is still a small thing compared to the UMPC with FAB-1500M54. Air Force officers filmed the consequences of using the UMPC with FAB-1500M54. Video at the link below.

In 2018, he considered the “Syrian scenario” as the main option for the Ukrainian war. Years of bombing, according to the command, should yield results. Only NATO intervened in the process and we have to act using non-standard methods.

Regarding Geraniums and UMPC, one does not replace the other. Deep bunkers and warehouses can be replaced by diversification and distribution of supplies, especially in the rear, which is what Ukraine is doing. And here we need a mass launch of relatively small, light Geraniums.
Here the issues that become relevant are not the power of the charge, but the economics of war.

[Askold65]

Quote: Arzoo

And here we need a mass launch of relatively small, light Geraniums.
Here the issues that become relevant are not the power of the charge, but the economics of war.

The same "Russian Engineer" mentioned the satellite photographs shown to him of the consequences of the "Caliber" hit on the workshop of the Kharkov Armored Plant, where the destruction amounted to approximately 25% of the production workshop. For such purposes, you need ammunition of a couple of tons of TNT.

[Arzoo]

The same "Russian Engineer" mentioned the satellite photographs shown to him of the consequences of the "Caliber" hit on the workshop of the Kharkov Armored Plant, where the destruction amounted to approximately 25% of the production workshop. For such purposes, you need ammunition of a couple of tons of TNT.

Yes. They will continue to dig in if funding continues. I mean, they will build underground factories. Hide assemblies in the subway, in underground parking lots in shopping malls, and mines. Unfortunately, this cannot be done without completely removing the energy infrastructure.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

Work in the field of drones is in full swing. Now both Russia and Ukraine are ahead of the rest in this area. There is a war going on, and only in this way can the strengths and weaknesses of weapons be revealed. Hard practice...
We, I think, will be the first to use heavy drones that will be able to kill the enemy at a depth of up to 100 - 150 km... Time will tell...

[Jackyun]

How else can they explain their dirty pants?

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote from Orange Bigg

This is still a small thing compared to the UMPC with FAB-1500M54. Air Force officers filmed the consequences of using the UMPC with FAB-1500M54. Video at the link below.

This is such beauty. They write that UMPC is 1500.
It’s clear what a 1500 kg warhead is. The funnel is noticeably larger than 500ki.

This is why I have repeatedly said that it is necessary to increase the mass of warheads on guided missiles to one and a half to two tons. Modern infrastructure structures made of reinforced concrete have much greater durability than brick-wood structures in WWII.

And at the same time, it is necessary to reduce the cost of such products as much as possible so that they can be used en masse. Even using V-1 technology, only with modern control systems. There is no need for a gigantic range, unique accuracy, a quota of 20-30 meters, and at 200 km, with two tons of warheads, a primitive and cheap PURD (pulsating air jet engine, which does not have expensive turbines, a compressor), with a UMPC, and launch from the pylons of even transport aircraft, 6-8 pieces in a salvo - the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not even be able to track them, unlike strategic bombers. Well, of course, with the usual 34, 35x.

And in the version with an ODAB (volume detonating aerial bomb), the destruction radius is enough to completely destroy a strong point. However, these can be done without an engine, just throw them off the UMPC now. Perhaps after our troops go on the offensive, we will see this, instead of lunaring the terrain with the help of 152 mm howitzers.

https://t.me/igorstrelkov/19698

In order to turn off the nuclear power plant, 3 hits from Geranimi are enough for the CPU.

[Orange Bigg]

What does this have to do with nuclear power plants? Why create Chernobyl?

[tralflot1832]

What’s strange is that the Americans, having recognized the high effectiveness of Geraniums, cast a shadow on the Western-made air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Thank you very much for the free advertising. The success of the Armed Forces’ missile and drone strikes on our territory is not compatible with the damage we caused. Their damage is more propaganda.

[Arzoo]

Yes, but that doesn't mean it will continue. In the future, they will probably try to attack from other directions. For example, from ships in the Baltic and Pacific Oceans, which is not difficult. We need to continue to strengthen our air defense.

[rotmistr60]

Analysts from the Ukrainian military portal associate the increase in Geranium launches with two components

Whatever the components, the main thing is that most of them achieve their goals while simultaneously opening the air defenses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Cheerful babble about the destruction of 100% of targets with 20 launched and 73-77% with 40 - for those who still believe in the infallibility and capabilities of Ukrainian air defense.

[Orange Bigg]

I’m waiting for the Italmas BBP to start being used. It’s a cheaper analogue of Harop.

[Zaurbek]

I still didn’t understand that He... I didn’t see the seeker (like the Lancet itself), and 200 km is not enough for Geraniums....

[Pankrat25]

Even if they shoot down geraniums, it costs expensive missiles, the production of which no one in the world can mass produce. There are very limited quantities of them in the arsenals of any country.

[Victory Day]

An increase in the number of launches indicates that production is improving. When we launch 1000 a month, and not just, but destroying air defense, then dill will end up in a fairy tale.

[Zaurbek]

In general, a medium-sized drone, in addition to its intended purpose, is a good carrier of other payloads. Anti radar, PP, Scout...