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Russian Telegram channel: The new command of the Wagner PMC is negotiating the return of some of the detachments to the North Military District zone

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Russian Telegram channel: The new command of the Wagner PMC is negotiating the return of some of the detachments to the North Military District zone

The only heir of Yevgeny Prigozhin, who died in a plane crash, was his son Pavel, who had also previously attended the Wagner PMC school, writes the Gray Zone TG channel. At the moment, the new command of the Orchestra is negotiating with the Ministry of Defense about the return of assault troops to the special operation zone.


According to the channel, the Wagner PMC intends to return to the Northern Military District zone, occupying one of the most difficult areas, under the guarantees of the Russian Guard, and not the Ministry of Defense. Negotiations are currently underway, the result of which should become known in the near future. The “Orchestra” is ready to send part of its detachments to the special operation zone, which will retain their symbols, their commanders, management and operating principles, although formally they will be registered in the Russian Guard. They promise to provide other details later.

At the moment, Prigozhin Jr. is negotiating with the leadership of the Russian Guard (FSVNG), under whose guarantees on private terms (without signing direct contracts), part of the personnel of the “musicians” will arrive exclusively as part of participation in this theater of military operations

- writes the channel.

It was previously reported that detachments of the Wagner PMC had already appeared in the Northern Military District zone, but this was part of the Orchestra that did not participate in the campaign against Moscow together with Prigozhin. These detachments operate under the command of "Sedoy".

Before this, there was already information that the Wagner group wanted to go under the wing of the Russian Guard, but without signing contracts and preserving their name and everything else, and supposedly the FSVNG command made a corresponding promise, but in words. On September 22, the Council of Orchestra commanders held a meeting on this issue, but did not come to a consensus.
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  1. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 1 October 2023 16: 58
    +8
    The new command of the "Orchestra" is negotiating with the Ministry of Defense about the return of assault troops to the special operation zone -

    ***
    - Can you hear the music again? ...
    ***
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 1 October 2023 17: 13
      +9
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      - Can you hear the music again? ...


      More like a parody of a concert.... the history of PMC Wagner ended with the liquidation of Prigozhin/Utkin, and no one can replace them at the same level + the state has done everything to ensure that this force remains only in history.

      Therefore, regardless of who will manage the structure created by Prigozhin, the effect will be different... without Uncle Zhenya’s connections/organizational abilities/experience, it will be one of the divisions of the Russian Guard, and the other part of this former organization will be under the wing of the Ministry of Defense (bound by a certain framework ).

      So the role of the individual in history is very great.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 1 October 2023 17: 42
        +1
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        More like a parody of a concert.... the history of PMC Wagner ended with the liquidation of Prigozhin/Utkin, and no one can replace them at the same level + the state has done everything to ensure that this force remains only in history.

        Do you really think that Prigozhin himself organized and directed something?!!!
        I'm sorry, but this is not funny
        1. NW
          NW 1 October 2023 19: 09
          +3
          Obviously, Prigozhin was in charge of cash flows, supplies and PR. For him it was a business, so where profit was involved, he tried to influence the commanders, just like any producer wants to influence the director. It wasn't always good. It’s too early to talk about Bakhmut, but in Syria his “influence” once cost the Wagners dearly.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 October 2023 12: 08
            -2
            this is a figurehead who imagines himself to be the owner
        2. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 1 October 2023 19: 36
          +6
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Do you really think that Prigozhin himself organized and directed something?!!!
          I'm sorry, but this is not funny


          Do you doubt Prigozhin’s entrepreneurial abilities? What is PMC Wagner originally? This is a small security company that was created to protect oil pipelines/fields, protect Prigozhin’s enterprise and people associated with his business... it is also associated with the main holding Concord (subsidiary company) - where almost all of Prigozhin’s assets are located...

          And only then, as Yevgeny Prigozhin influenced/agreed, the private military company began to receive fat contracts, and at some stage the state got involved and hired this company to do the work.... and then they wanted to squeeze out the asset, as they usually do with large companies and we saw June 23-24, 2023, and then the liquidation of the owner.

          So the story is not funny.... Prigozhin was not just an intermediary or manager, he was a link who provided services and that is why they could not take the company away from him during his lifetime..... and they began to put pressure in all directions (arrests assets of Concord, denigration in the media, stopping funding under “secret contracts”, etc.). And after his death, they got to contracts in Africa, because it was not for nothing that Evkurov made a tour of the countries of the region.

          Therefore, the company suffered a sad fate....
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 2 October 2023 12: 08
            -2
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            Do you doubt Prigozhin’s entrepreneurial abilities?

            you read his biography carefully and you will understand that this is a figurehead
            sports intern at the end of the term, after exiting, he opens a cheburek shop and suddenly the owner of the restaurant in which international negotiations are taking place ...
        3. Rainfall
          Rainfall 2 October 2023 06: 07
          -3
          In Wagner's story, it is Prigogine who is responsible for bringing Wagner to Africa. The Russian military was against it. Prigogine doesn't take no for an answer and did it anyway. The Russian military plays with polar bears in the Arctic, and Wagner plays in Africa. Soft power.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 1 October 2023 17: 16
      +2
      Gossip goes well with music. Some fucking heir lol
      What will inherit? Huts? Public catering? This is possible, but we don’t know how much is credit and how much is debit.
      But PMCs....there is no such legal entity. The Commander-in-Chief himself explained it to those who were especially smart.
      It is already clear that in Russia the volunteer structure will be led by “Sedoy”. And in Africa... It looks like they will work under the general leadership of Surovikin. In general, the curator from the Moscow Region is Evkurov. And it’s nonsense that, they say, “to be formally registered there,” but to receive a tanga not formally, and even to stink and, often, babble like a deceased person, and to walk around on their own is for idiots. Such tricks will no longer be allowed.
      1. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 1 October 2023 17: 35
        +7
        Some fucking heir

        Official, according to the will of Yevgeny Prigozhin.
        But PMCs....there is no such legal entity.

        There is no PMC, but there is a structure of legal entities that ensure its functioning. So are assets. Even the “name Wagner” is quite an intangible asset (brand).
        It is already clear that in Russia the volunteer structure will be led by “Sedoy”.

        It is clear that Troshev has about 200 people with whom he will probably do something within the framework of the Moscow Region. Well, he was always looking from the Moscow Region. PMCs under the Russian Ministry of Defense are not new, the same "Redoubt". Those. about nothing.
        The real "Wagner" heads (as a military commander) "Lotus" and this asset is quite serious, although, of course, it is not what it was. They changed the roof, the National Guard, apparently.
        1. NW
          NW 1 October 2023 18: 55
          +3
          The heir of the late overlord has appeared, and now Wagner is in a hurry to pay homage to him? What kind of fantasy is this? Wagner were not vassals, and did not serve the cook. In any case, it is clear that the state will no longer tolerate this feudal archaism. For a limited range of tasks that do not require constant interaction with the system - please. but not as an army unit.
          1. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 1 October 2023 19: 49
            0
            The heir of the late overlord has appeared, and now Wagner is in a hurry to pay homage to him? What kind of fantasy is this?

            The deceased was a vassal, and by no means a suzerain. And not the classic one, but something like Wallenstein. And I walked this road to the end.
            Wagner is now being changed overlord; who knows if it will work out?
            Neo-feudalism is a harsh Russian reality, not fantasy. However, not only Russian.
            In any case, it is clear that the state will no longer tolerate this feudal archaism.

            Well, tell a well-known academician what the state will tolerate and what it won’t. An interesting discussion can open about archaism.
            For a limited range of tasks,

            Well, we’ll soon see how limited this circle will be. The war doesn’t even think about ending.
        2. 72jora72
          72jora72 2 October 2023 13: 40
          0
          . PMCs under the Russian Ministry of Defense are not new, the same "Redoubt". Those. about nothing.
          The redoubt was under the National Guard, what does the Defense Ministry have to do with it??
      2. Sergei N 58912062
        Sergei N 58912062 2 October 2023 01: 14
        0
        Such tricks will no longer be allowed.

        What are we going to do with these “magicians”?!


        Their “tricks” are costly for Russia, its people and army.
        1. Relic Empire
          Relic Empire 2 October 2023 18: 12
          -1
          You are definitely nothing... Well, you can grind your teeth...
    3. knn54
      knn54 1 October 2023 18: 20
      -4
      What's the point if a pack of lions is commanded by... commanders from NG.
    4. your vsr 66-67
      your vsr 66-67 1 October 2023 18: 34
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      The new command of the "Orchestra" is negotiating with the Ministry of Defense about the return of assault troops to the special operation zone -

      ***
      - Can you hear the music again? ...
      ***

      More precisely:
      Music connected us, it became our secret. (c) Mirage.
    5. Maz
      Maz 1 October 2023 19: 33
      +3
      A real Wagner won’t go to the Russian Federation, everything else is fake. Communicated a bit. Veterans 100% will not join either the military or the Russian Guard, especially to people like Chaiko and others like him. Enough, we've eaten.
    6. Sergei N 58912062
      Sergei N 58912062 2 October 2023 01: 34
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      The new command of the "Orchestra" is negotiating with the Ministry of Defense about the return of assault troops to the special operation zone -

      ***
      - Can you hear the music again? ...
      ***




  2. Irokez
    Irokez 1 October 2023 16: 59
    +3
    Well, if there are no problems with the vertical of power and local self-government, then it is true that there are no problems in interaction. Even Mozart will not sound bad under the fiery cannonade.
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 1 October 2023 17: 17
      +6
      Quote: Irokez
      Well, if there are no problems with the vertical of power and local self-government

      This vertical itself does not know what it wants from the SVO. In the place of musicians, you should not go under the guardianship of the Russian Guard or the Ministry of Defense, but it is better to stay in the Belarusian or African camps and do your usual thing. And it turns out that as hard as things get at the front, people with stripes immediately begin to fuss and remember the past achievements of the most combat-ready units. After the beheading of the main leadership of the PMC, this is no longer Wagner at all.
      I spoke personally with one of the musicians who has gone through many hot spots. He announced that after all the events that had happened, 90% of the orchestra’s personnel were no longer going to have anything to do with the Moscow Region.
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 1 October 2023 17: 56
        +6
        Quote: kventinasd
        This vertical itself does not know what it wants from the SVO. In the place of musicians, you should not interfere with the guardianship of the Russian Guard or the Moscow Region

        This is how I understand the situation that should exist.
        Wagner is controlled strategically by the Ministry of Defense, and tactically let it be on its own, but there are reservations, namely:
        - neighboring units of the Defense Ministry standing next to Wagner should not suffer from Wagner’s self-government.
        - the problem of public and private in the neighboring divisions of the Moscow Region and Wagner must be resolved, because the private is not the state, which means everything is different.
        - there must be a clear and reasonable compromise and agreement in the interaction between the Wagner and Defense Ministry units standing next to each other without “taking out the garbage from the apartment.”
        If this is not done, then Makhnovshchina and anarchy with a monarchy will appear.
        1. Plate
          Plate 1 October 2023 20: 44
          0
          It seems to me that the first thing to do is to officially register the organization that is located on the LBS. Then you can build clear relationships with the military, written down on paper. So that in any situation it is clearly clear who has fulfilled their obligations and who has not. This was not done, and as a result, each side, apparently, saw mutual rights and obligations in its own way: not in the same way as the other. Here is the result.
          Letting some PMC make free (and even not entirely legal) bread is good when it is fighting somewhere in Africa, the Middle East and who knows where else, where there will definitely be no contacts with its armed forces.
    2. carpenter
      carpenter 1 October 2023 18: 07
      +1
      Quote: Irokez
      Well, if there are no problems with the vertical of power and local self-government

      If we take the Ministry of Defense as one of the power structures, then there can be no interaction with the Ministry of Defense, those guys-generals will not let anyone near their “trough”, and if they do, they will quickly devour them.
  3. ZhEK-Vodogrey
    ZhEK-Vodogrey 1 October 2023 17: 10
    +1
    A commemorative badge on the theme of well-known events in Rostov-on-Don on June 24.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 1 October 2023 17: 20
      +4
      Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
      A commemorative badge on the theme of well-known events in Rostov-on-Don on June 24.

      Why SIBERIA? Is that the one stuck in the gate?
      1. ZhEK-Vodogrey
        ZhEK-Vodogrey 1 October 2023 18: 32
        +2
        The district headquarters kept a colorful tank at gunpoint.

  4. Leshak
    Leshak 1 October 2023 17: 12
    +12
    It is advisable to resolve all these organizational issues quickly. PMC fighters, with their combat experience, are needed in the Northern Military District zone.
  5. Amateur
    Amateur 1 October 2023 17: 13
    +13
    At the moment, the new command of the Orchestra is negotiating with the Ministry of Defense about the return of assault troops to the special operation zone.

    Maybe the Supreme Commander should do something radical - change the leadership of the Defense Ministry and the General Staff to the leadership of Wagner, and send Shoigu and Gerasimov to write memoirs...? recourse
    1. dump22
      dump22 1 October 2023 17: 18
      +3
      This is not why the plane crashed....
    2. Ovsigovets
      Ovsigovets 1 October 2023 18: 00
      +1
      Some have already thought and said so. They just tried to bite the wrong size mouth. Now they are corpses. Take it with you so you don’t fall when walking
    3. carpenter
      carpenter 1 October 2023 18: 37
      +2
      Quote: Amateur
      and send Shoigu and Gerasimov to write memoirs...?

      Well, what can they “memoir” about how they went hunting and fishing in Transbaikalia. They didn’t win battles, didn’t lead armies into battle, didn’t raise victory flags anywhere.
      1. Plate
        Plate 1 October 2023 20: 50
        +1
        If an officer of the General Staff goes into battle personally, and then somewhere in the middle of it raises a flag, then... What does he even do at the General Staff? Let him take it and join the infantry, since he is so drawn to the battlefield. And if he is an officer of the General Staff, then let him sit on the General Staff. There is also a lot of important work there.
    4. glock-17
      glock-17 1 October 2023 22: 32
      -3
      So Strelkov spoke about this for a long time as the very first necessary step for victory in the Northern Military District. So where is he now?
  6. Rumata
    Rumata 1 October 2023 17: 16
    +5
    The optimal option would be for the musicians to submit directly to the Commander-in-Chief, whom they respect.
    Shoigu is a sworn enemy for them, but whether Zolotov will cope with them and how the relationship will develop there is a big question.
    1. Brother Fox_2
      Brother Fox_2 1 October 2023 17: 33
      +4
      I think Zolotov Shoigu is not a comrade, the musicians will join him
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 1 October 2023 18: 03
        -2
        Quote: Brother Fox_2
        I think Zolotov Shoigu is not a comrade, the musicians will join him

        Already.
      2. Dingo
        Dingo 2 October 2023 09: 35
        0
        Zolotov Shoigu is not a comrade

        Why not? They did one thing...

        ....in a dark suit, looking to the side - V. Zolotov. In a light-colored one with a blue tie is his FSO chief A. Korzhakov.
    2. Plate
      Plate 1 October 2023 20: 51
      -2
      I still don’t understand how you can consider the Minister of Defense a sworn enemy, but at the same time respect (in a friendly sense) the Supreme Commander. Or vice versa. I still don’t understand how you can respect (in a friendly sense) the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, but at the same time consider the Minister of Defense a sworn enemy.
    3. Dingo
      Dingo 2 October 2023 09: 09
      -3
      Shoigu is a sworn enemy for them, but whether Zolotov will cope with them and how the relationship will develop there is a big question.

      What is this question? Whether it's a foreman or a mechanic from AZLK, they're all birds of a feather....
  7. Fangaro
    Fangaro 1 October 2023 17: 27
    +2
    According to the channel, the Wagner PMC intends to return to the Northern Military District zone, occupying one of the most difficult areas, under the guarantees of the Russian Guard, and not the Ministry of Defense. Negotiations are currently underway, the result of which should become known in the near future.

    There is a PMC that has soldiers who are ready to fight.
    But we need to agree on who will receive laurel wreaths for the blood of soldiers on the front line. Big Stars from the Moscow Region or Big Stars from the Russian Guard.
    R'R Р P ° RґRёRјRСS Р R'R Р R ° RёRRјRёS Р RRR С!
    There are soldiers who are ready to fight against the Ukrainian Armed Forces. For freedom, idea and money. And two departments decide whose flag will be over Kievstag if, IF, they decide to allow soldiers to fight.
  8. Igor Netipanov
    Igor Netipanov 1 October 2023 17: 46
    +1
    I want to say one thing that Wagner is sorely missed on the front end. It's sorely missed. Respect to the guys and great respect!
  9. Rumata
    Rumata 1 October 2023 18: 02
    0
    The first impression is pleasant. He seems like a normal guy, not a jerk.
  10. ASM
    ASM 1 October 2023 18: 02
    +1
    Well, a public figure who will be known to everyone. The main thing is that those who are actually planning operations should not have their wings clipped. Prigozhin, the eldest, dealt with this, and then we’ll see.
  11. My name
    My name 1 October 2023 18: 09
    -4
    Again stuffing. Go to Wagner channels in telegram. No Wagner returns anywhere to the NWO zone. Some former Wagnerites - and a gray-haired man who had nothing to do with Wagner’s leadership - are not Wagner. This is an attempt to make a name for itself on the word Wagner.
    Although Wagner has survived and works in Africa, after the murder of Prigozhin and Utkin (you know who did it), this is no longer the same Wagner.
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 1 October 2023 21: 11
      +3
      Quote: My name
      you know who did it

      I still don’t know - please clarify?
  12. mag nit
    mag nit 1 October 2023 18: 34
    0
    Well, it is clear to everyone that the Orchestra does not need a Tuvan conductor. A bear stepped on his ear; he has no hearing for music.
    1. Dingo
      Dingo 2 October 2023 08: 59
      -2
      Well, it is clear to everyone that the Orchestra does not need a Tuvan conductor.

      He is not a “conductor”... He is a foreman...
      But “a mechanic from AZLK” is also not an option...
  13. Stoler
    Stoler 1 October 2023 19: 40
    +1
    Of course they will! After signing the contract!! laughing soldier
  14. A2AD
    A2AD 1 October 2023 21: 46
    -3
    According to the channel, the Wagner PMC intends to return to the Northern Military District zone, occupying one of the most difficult areas, under the guarantees of the Russian Guard, and not the Ministry of Defense.
    Of course. The Ministry of Defense can only guarantee extortion and robbery of the VP led by Bandera, but regularly unfastening the reindeer herder to the top.
    1. Repellent
      Repellent 1 October 2023 21: 59
      -3
      Quote from A2AD
      The Moscow Region can only guarantee extortion and robbery of the VP led by Bandera, but regularly unfastening the reindeer herder to the top

      And now the same thing, but in intelligible Russian, please Yes
  15. nordscout
    nordscout 2 October 2023 00: 04
    +1
    “The idea of ​​historical necessity in no way undermines the role of the individual in history: history is all made up of the actions of individuals who are undoubtedly active figures. The real question that arises when assessing the social activity of an individual is: under what conditions is success ensured for this activity? are there guarantees that this activity will not remain a single act, drowning in a sea of ​​opposite acts? (V.I. Lenin, 1894).
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  17. Factor
    Factor 2 October 2023 09: 45
    +1
    Entourage headlines for the ears of suckers.
    Without Prigozhin and Utkin there is no Wagner. There are still fighters who are now trying to lure them with carrots either under the roof of the Ministry of Defense or under the roof of the Russian Guard.

    Who's the commander? Putin appointed?

    In fact, there is a serious problem with the shortage of personnel in the NWO zone. The Kremlin is trying to plug the hole with volunteers, using the Wagner brand.

    And again, budget money appeared to pay for the services of PMCs, which, according to President Putin, are outside the law.

    Perdimonocles in the Kremlin.

    With the investigation into the deaths of Prigozhin and Utkin, the case was classified.
  18. cash
    cash 2 October 2023 17: 39
    +1
    It was previously reported that detachments of the Wagner PMC had already appeared in the Northern Military District zone, but this was part of the Orchestra that did not participate in the campaign against Moscow together with Prigozhin. These detachments operate under the command of "Sedoy".


    Even Lotus already said that this is Mriya Petushni Sedogo, who has nothing to do with the advice of the commanders of the musicians, the striped morphs want to ride on someone else’s hump, as usual, that in 2016 in Syria, that now
    whatever you want to call a PMC under the morph, it will be the same game, only from the other side, jerking off for pieces of paper and 100500 bosses, no, Wagner works great without a reindeer herder with a drunk and will work, no matter what anyone says
  19. petrol cutter
    petrol cutter 2 October 2023 21: 35
    0
    Well, the guys have run out of money a little. Understand. I encountered this myself.
    I should still go on shift.
    The pay there will be more interesting than at the factory... hi