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Black house. How Yeltsin crushed the popular uprising

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Black house. How Yeltsin crushed the popular uprising



Political crisis


Formally, the confrontation was caused by the constitutional crisis that has been developing in Russia since 1992. Two leading political forces have formed in the country: on the one hand, President of the Russian Federation Yeltsin, the government led by Chairman Chernomyrdin, Moscow Mayor Luzhkov, they were supported by a number of regional leaders, and some people's deputies - supporters of the president. On the other hand, the leadership of the Supreme Council and most of the people's deputies led by Khasbulatov, as well as the Vice-President of Russia Rutskoy and some other representatives of the legislative branch.

Yeltsin was a protege of the rapidly emerging oligarchy-plutocracy, the comprador bourgeoisie, which was interested in fixing the results of the collapse of the USSR and seizing people's property. This group advocated the speedy adoption of a new constitution, strengthening presidential power, etc. liberal economic “reforms”. That is, for the elimination of the remnants of Soviet statehood, the previous socio-economic system built in the USSR in the interests of the people. “Reforms” were required to gain the opportunity for quick personal enrichment and theft of national wealth created by the hard work of several generations of Soviet people.

As the future has shown, “shock therapy” of Russia (and Ukraine) has become a real socio-economic genocide of the indigenous peoples of Russia and the reason for the rapid extinction of the Russians and most of the other indigenous peoples of Russian civilization. Naturally, the anti-people regime of Yeltsin and the optimizer reformers enjoyed the full support of the collective West.

The Supreme Council and the Congress advocated the preservation of full power by the Congress of People's Deputies (until the adoption of the constitution) and against excessive haste, thoughtlessness and abuse (the so-called “shock therapy”) when carrying out radical economic reforms. Supporters of the Supreme Council relied on the current Constitution, according to Art. 104 of which the highest body of state power was the Congress of People's Deputies.

The Congress resisted attempts to ratify the Belovezhskaya Agreement on the termination of the existence of the USSR and to exclude mention of the Constitution and laws of the USSR from the text of the Constitution of the Russian Federation - Russia (RSFSR).

The congress personified the remnants of Soviet statehood and attempted to resist the Yeltsin group, as many deputies and representatives of the people called it - the “gang”. Yeltsin and the formative regime of plutocrats (a political regime in which decisions of government bodies are determined by the will of groups of rich people - oligarchs) sought to legislate and complete “privatization” - the robbery of people’s property and the country’s wealth in the interests of central and regional clans, as well as the West. That is, Yeltsin’s group objectively worked in the interests of the collective West, trying to establish a predatory, semi-colonial regime in Russia.


Coup d'état and popular uprising


On September 21, 1993, Yeltsin issued decree No. 1400 dissolving the Congress of People's Deputies and the Supreme Council. In response, the Presidium of the Supreme Council, citing Article 121.6 of the Constitution, announced the termination of the powers of the president and decided that Decree No. 1400 was not enforceable. Rutskoi takes the presidential oath and addresses the people with “patriotic slogans” and at the same time tries to obtain the approval of the American embassy.

It is worth noting the duality of the actions of Rutskoi and other resistance leaders.

On the one hand, they opposed the Yeltsin regime, that is, for the people.

On the other hand, they were passive and indecisive. They made no attempt to attract the army to their side, to take full advantage of the activity of the popular masses. They tried to establish contact with the “Washington regional committee.” Therefore, they were later accused of provocateurs and treason. They say that the speech was made with the aim of pogroming spontaneous patriotic forces and the complete victory of the Yeltsin regime.

On September 23, Yeltsin and his supporters set up a blockade of the Supreme Council building (the so-called White House) and cut off communications. Patriots, members of opposition groups, the so-called, spontaneously flock to the building to protect it. “Transnistrians” (resistance fighters against the genocide of Russians in Transnistria and Moldova), veterans of the Great Patriotic War, Cossacks of Morozov’s hundred, fighters of RNE (“Russian National Unity” of Barkashov), etc.

On September 24, the extraordinary (extraordinary) Congress of People's Deputies, convened by the Supreme Soviet, announced the termination of the powers of President Yeltsin from the moment of the issuance of Decree No. 1400 and assessed his actions as coup d'état. Yeltsin, however, de facto continued to exercise the powers of the President of Russia, maintaining control over the government and security forces. The blockade around the White House is intensifying.

In the period from September 27 to October 2, large-scale public protests took place in Moscow in support of the Supreme Council. On October 3, a spontaneous popular uprising actually began. There is a breakthrough of the cordon around the House of Soviets of Russia, a seizure by a group of supporters of the Supreme Council led by General Makashov of the Moscow City Hall building and an attempted armed seizure of the Ostankino television center.

In fact, this was a possible turning point when Yeltsin would lose power. The armed forces bided their time, unwilling to defend the regime and participate in the carnage. Yeltsin's supporters were preparing to flee Russia. All that remains is to announce to the people of Russia that the criminal regime has been overthrown and that people's power is being restored.

However, the moment was lost. Rutskoi lost time and gave the initiative to Yeltsin’s supporters. In essence, he drained the popular uprising.

“Black House” - defeat of the uprising


A state of emergency was declared in Moscow. On October 4, the Congress of People's Deputies and the Supreme Soviet were dispersed by troops brought into the center of Moscow using weapons and armored vehicles. The events were accompanied by great confusion and blood.

Obviously, the the uprising had every chance of success, given its massive scale and the initial confusion of Yeltsin’s supporters, who were also not warriors to fight decisively for their “ideals.” Most of the security forces and the army simply waited or even morally supported the rebels (the generals and officers were still Soviet).

Unfortunately, among the rebels there were no people with high moral and volitional qualities like Suvorov or Napoleon, Lenin and Stalin. Rutskoi and Khasbulatov were indecisive, waiting to see how the cards would fall, or even playing a double game. They were not ready to give up blood for the sake of victory. They didn’t even dare to distribute weapons to people to defend the White House, or to organize its full-fledged defense. Khasbulatov, Rutskoi and Yeltsin played their behind-the-scenes games, fought for power, and ordinary people turned out to be extreme.

The Yeltsin regime, after the first confusion, quickly came to its senses, seeing that the enemy was passive. Yeltsin showed the will to maintain power. Yeltsin and Grachev put pressure on the generals. The Ministry of Defense was controlled by armed "civilians".

The regime was directly supported by the West. Thus, unknown snipers appeared in Moscow and provoked the security forces to fire on the people. They brought in fighters from private security structures and the Zionist military organization Beitar. The American embassy, ​​in essence, saved Yeltsin's anti-people regime.

It is interesting that the imitation of the Communist Party in the person of Zyuganov, which from those times to the present, from my point of view, plays the role of the court, pocket opposition to the ruling regime, did not support the uprising. Communist Party leaders effectively banned active Russian communists from participating in the uprising. A similar role was played by the head of the church, Alexy II, who found himself not with the people, but with the plutocratic regime.

As a result, the October popular uprising was brutally suppressed. Rutsky, Khasbulatov and other famous people were not touched, and then given an amnesty. The common people were not spared. According to official data, 158 people were killed and more than 400 were injured. According to unofficial sources, at least 2 thousand people were killed.

Russia has become a semi-colony, a pipe of the West and partly of the East. The total plunder of the country and the rapid extinction of the Russian superethnos begin.

We have approached the 30th anniversary of the defeat of the popular uprising with another success of the West - for the second year now there has been a confrontation between two parts of the Russian world (Russian Federation and Ukraine), an exterminatory massacre of the Russian superethnos (Great Russians and Little Russians-Ukrainians). Everything is according to plan: They are trying to erase Rus'-Russia from stories.

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  1. Proton
    Proton 3 October 2023 04: 06
    +57
    This is the tragedy of my Motherland.
    To great regret.
    It’s stupid to blame the United States for everything; we came to this ourselves.
    1. _6
      _6 3 October 2023 04: 19
      +12
      It is far from a fact that if the Supreme Council had won, then something would have changed. Only names and surnames. Russia had already taken the path of capitalism, the USSR had completely outlived its usefulness, then no one believed in its revival, and most importantly, no one wanted it. Well, the Americans took our country in their tenacious claws. At that time, everyone was friends with them, which means the ending is inevitable. Our main problem, it seems to me, is that Russians are not very friendly with each other.
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        2. Alexander Odintsov
          Alexander Odintsov 3 October 2023 09: 25
          +22
          You are wrong IN one of the most visited sites and there is something to read there. But the Russian spring has become much worse. These are not log articles. This is pain for the homeland. They didn’t write about the mysterious snipers. They interfered with the provision of assistance to the defenders of the White House. This happened later during the Maidan.
      2. ivan2022
        ivan2022 3 October 2023 07: 26
        +7
        Quote: _6
        It’s far from a fact that if he had won...

        To win, you must have strong popular support. And if the people are active, they would have to change course after the victory. So as not to end up in the trash one day.

        If the people basically don’t care, everything will be as it is until the people themselves are demolished by other peoples. That is life!
        1. HUNTERDON
          HUNTERDON 3 October 2023 10: 21
          +4
          If people basically don’t care, everything will be as it is
          , - in my opinion, unfortunately, everything remains the same for the majority of the population...
          1. Dante Alighieri
            Dante Alighieri 3 October 2023 10: 36
            +12
            Read the research of sociologists. The overwhelming majority of the population of any society, be it in our country, in the West, or in the East, is a weak-willed and amorphous mass that will submit to any, absolutely any decision of an active active minority. The only question is which ideas this most active minority will bear. Acquisitiveness and personal enrichment, or creativity, altruism and solidarity. In the 90s, the latter lost and the former won. And the masses only legitimized this, as we would say now, transfer.
            1. Tarusa Petrova
              Tarusa Petrova 9 October 2023 20: 14
              -1
              Unfortunately, at that moment all media, including TV, radio, etc. were silent.
              The regions didn’t really know what was happening in Moscow. I agree that Zyuganov’s party had already bowed to Yeltsin. Through their channels they could raise the people and the people would rise. But as Comrade Lenin said, all media (telephone, telegraph, etc.) were under Yeltsin and his team.
        2. fif21
          fif21 12 October 2023 16: 12
          +1
          Quote: ivan2022
          To win, you must have strong popular support.

          Now these events are presented as a popular uprising against the power of Yeltsin. But this is far from true! This is a criminal showdown between the legislative and executive powers, traitors to the USSR. Therefore, the people did not support either one or the other. The people were in favor of preserving the USSR (referendum results), but the party elite decided to lie under the United States and staged a military coup and the collapse of the USSR. But the USA “fucked” them so much that now they are declaring sovereignty! This is how history punished people who betrayed their homeland. hi
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 3 October 2023 08: 47
        +22
        Quote: _6
        The USSR had completely outlived itself, then no one believed in its revival, and most importantly, no one wanted it.

        That's for sure... A year and a half has not passed and everyone has forgotten:

        Quote: _6
        Our main problem, it seems to me, is that Russians are not very friendly with each other.

        The main problem is that Russians have not yet encountered such a scale of outright fraud and deception, and if they talked about something on the radio, TV or wrote about it in newspapers, then it was perceived as a guide to action... That is why the country is in terry color All sorts of pyramids and other speculative financial organizations sprang up.
        * * *
        The inevitability of the finale was brought closer by organized crime groups armed with firearms, and residents whose weapons were fists and sticks could resist them.
        The EBN discredited the army, made the security forces dependent on those who pay...
        * * *
        How old were you in 1993? There's no point in writing something you haven't seen...
        The people were fed up with the corrupt scoundrels from the CPSU and the KGB who got into the governing bodies of the new government. And EBN was treated exactly the same way as a rowdy drunkard is treated...
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      4. max702
        max702 3 October 2023 09: 20
        -25
        Russia has become a semi-colony, a pipe of the West and partly of the East. The total plunder of the country and the rapid extinction of the Russian superethnos begin.
        This all started not in 1993, but at least since February 1917.
        Those characters who were striving for power then were no better than those who were already there, and if they had achieved their goal, then the current existence of Russia would be under a very big question..
        1. Alt 22
          Alt 22 4 October 2023 07: 58
          +4
          After the Bolsheviks came to power and the end of the “civil” war - or rather, the war of Western proxy forces against the new government, which was ultimately supported by the overwhelming majority of the Russian people - the number of Russian people in Russia and the USSR GROWED STABLE AND CONTINUALLY.
          But after your like-minded anti-Soviet supporters seized power, the number of Russians is falling at an alarming rate; even during the Second World War, the Russians did not lose as many people as they did during your sabotage rule for the Russian people!
          1. max702
            max702 7 October 2023 20: 33
            -6
            Quote: Alt22
            the number of Russian people in Russia and the USSR has STABLE AND CONSTANTLY GROWED.

            What nonsense... There was such a great scientist from Russia Mendeleev, his last name, so in 1906, based on the results of the population census of 1897 in Russia and in many countries of the planet, he made a forecast for the population of these countries in subsequent years almost everywhere with one degree or another of success his forecast came true except for one country in which the numbers are simply catastrophic in comparison with the forecast 100 years later.. Guess what kind of country this is and what happened in it that did not happen in other countries? In Russia, the Bolshevik government organized the genocide of the Russian population, and this fact is perfectly confirmed by the numbers...
            1. fif21
              fif21 12 October 2023 16: 19
              0
              Quote: max702
              In Russia, the Bolshevik government organized the genocide of the Russian population, and this fact is perfectly confirmed by the numbers...

              Give your figures and compare with the figures of losses - the Civil War, the Finnish War, the conflict on the Chinese Eastern Railway, the Second World War, ..... The military losses of the USSR are not comparable to the losses from repressions and purges. hi
      5. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 3 October 2023 09: 47
        +19
        Quote: _6
        ...The USSR had completely outlived itself, then no one believed in its revival, and most importantly, no one wanted it...

        Don’t present your personal conclusions as public ones.
        Those people who came out to defend the Soviet Constitution in the person of the Supreme Council, whatever it was at that time, and those 76% throughout the Union who voted to preserve a single country in 1991, for people like you, a “statistical” error , not worthy of attention?
        Remind me on what slogans your alcoholic came to power? What was he going to “fight”?
        1. _6
          _6 3 October 2023 14: 37
          -4
          Don’t present your personal conclusions as public ones.
          Those people who came out...

          Dear Soviet, and Ross42 like you, lovers of personal insults and who know how old I was in 1993. You confuse warm with soft, passing off the opinion of the population to preserve the USSR as the viability of this very USSR. Quite a lot has been written on this topic. In short: people have lost faith in communism, in a bright future, this carrot in front of their noses. This is the main thing. Another important reason is a significantly lower standard of living and level of freedom than in capital countries. Well, the final nails in the coffin of socialism of that era were social inequality and double standards that could no longer be hidden, low labor efficiency, a flawed planned economy, the meaninglessness and purposelessness of life, which was everything for Soviet people. Perhaps the loss of landmarks was the most important reason. Socialism in the format of the late USSR has completely exhausted itself. Even if its supporters now argue that in their youth the grass was greener and people were kinder, then this is just a psychological moment inherent in people at all times. Yeltsin in power, or Gorbachev, or Rutskoi, or someone else from the top of the former CPSU, these are all the same eggs, only from different sides. Whatever they promised, and however they wanted, even if they sincerely wanted otherwise. Events would have developed a little more or less bloodier, that's all. Look at the post-Soviet republics, look at the actions of other officials during this period, and you will understand what I am talking about.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 3 October 2023 15: 19
            +12
            Quote: _6
            ...You confuse warm with soft, passing off the opinion of the population to preserve the USSR as the viability of this very USSR. Quite a lot has been written on this topic...

            Who wrote it, please clarify. Witnesses of a “free” market?
            The introduction of “market” relations and the abandonment of a planned economy began the process of breaking corporate ties between related companies, which led to the atomization of production, lack of competitiveness and the collapse of entire industries.
            And you are trying to mix “warm with soft” by labeling the vices of the late Soviet “intelligentsia” as vices of the entire system. With the advent of “market” relations, did these vices disappear or did they increase many times over, including in the economy? wink
            No one denies the problems in the economy of the late USSR, which is why the people were led to the “perestroika” of Marked, but in order to tear the country into 15 appanage principalities, for the sake of the “efficiency” of the economy, only the Kremlin dreamed about this along the way.
            Hello to the apologists of “ineffective” Soviet galoshes and avoidance of paternalism.
            The results of the “reforms” are visible in all the republics of the former Union, without the naked eye.
            ....lower standard of living, level of freedom than in capital countries...

            Excuse me, are you the one who cited Miller, Sechin, etc. as the standard for a high standard of living in the Russian Federation?
            As far as I can see, it is the standard of living of the majority that has become lower than in the Union. The zeroes in the accounts only speak of the boundless inflation of the current “efficient” economy. lol
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 3 October 2023 22: 27
              -2
              the standard of living of the majority has become lower than in the Union.
              In Turkey, Egypt and Thailand, Russian was almost a second language before Covid, and even now it’s about the same. And under the Union, a thousand dollars for a trip is a fortune.
            2. _6
              _6 4 October 2023 04: 28
              -3
              The results of the “reforms” are visible in all the republics of the former Union, without the naked eye.

              Once again I am convinced that arguing with apologists of the USSR is the same as arguing with religious fanatics. You admit your vices, which in general is already a death sentence, but you hope for the best. You know, you can’t help but know that Russia’s reforms were only for Russia, the locals were weird in the republics, but you mix everything together. Probably, the parade of sovereignties escapes your attention. About your statement about the standard of living - well, it’s just funny. Then, and even now, it is quite clear to many that the standard of living of the population of the USSR and developed capital countries varied greatly, not in our favor. Comparing with Gabon or Mexico, mentioning Miller, Sechin, inflation and other sophistry - well, this is obvious demagoguery. I just can’t imagine how one can deny something so obvious. And the main reason was simply ignored. Most likely, this is a case where nostalgia and emotions cause the mind to perceive wishful thinking. This applies to all ardent supporters of the USSR. Please note, I’m not saying that the USSR was bad, or that people didn’t like it. It’s just that the time has come, the objective factors I indicated and many other reasons left no choice. You can regret this, you can disagree, but the very course of our history was predetermined from the beginning. Communism is a utopia, socialism is a step, an intermediate stage like Victory in the War. When the goal was clearly devalued, there was no point in sacrificing oneself for the sake of future generations, then the end came.
          2. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 3 October 2023 15: 25
            +7
            In short: people have lost faith in communism, in a bright future, this carrot in front of their noses.

            And those people you are talking about, what did they do to build this very communism? If nothing, then why are they surprised that “earthly paradise has not come.”
            Another important reason is a significantly lower standard of living and level of freedom than in capital countries.

            Oh my. And you are not looking at capital countries, but at the capital system (which consists of capital countries, which, according to the dependency theory, occupy completely different places in the “food chain”). And it turns out that the standard of living and “freedom” in the capital system is not something worth boasting about.
          3. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 18: 04
            +13
            Is it true? Exhausted? But Nobel Prize winner in economics Joseph Stiglitz said that the USSR retained enormous potential for modernization, improvement and further development.
            Everything is simpler: it’s just that at the helm of the state there were incompetent, narcissistic people and simply enemies like Yakovlev and Shevardnadze.
            And about Gorbachev, Gromyko said, Senka’s hat doesn’t suit him.
            If you give a Stradivarius violin into the hands of an incompetent person, he still won’t play it like Paganini.
            The instrument is great though. It's not the instrument that's bad, it's the performer.
            As drivers say, it’s not the car, it’s the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat.
            This is about the role of the individual in history.
            1. Russian_Ninja
              Russian_Ninja 6 October 2023 09: 49
              +1
              So no one argues with a Nobel laureate. I am sure that even the Russian Empire had enormous potential.

              The bigger question here is:
              1) simply no one wanted to do this
              2) these were disproportionately huge injections, which would require enormous stress for the entire country
              3) (controversial thesis) - socialism may have been less effective on its own, so few people wanted to restore it
          4. fif21
            fif21 12 October 2023 16: 29
            0
            Quote: _6
            In short: people have lost faith in communism, in a bright future, this carrot in front of their noses. This is the main thing. Another important reason is a significantly lower standard of living and level of freedom than in capital countries.

            The Chinese experience of changing the country's economy puts an end to your fabrications that the USSR had no future! The USSR did not have competent leaders, as a result the country became a colony of the West. hi
      6. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 3 October 2023 10: 23
        +9
        It is far from a fact that if the Supreme Council had won, then something would have changed.

        You are partly right, but only partly. The Supreme Council, indeed, did not try to reverse the mincemeat and, for example, completely abandon market reforms, just as they did not intend to revive the Union (at least in the form in which it was). But they tried to do one thing for sure - to prevent the new Constitution from actually institutionalizing the usurpation of power by one person, not controlled by anyone or anything. It is clear that this step by the members of the Supreme Council was also not taken out of humanistic considerations or commitment to the ideas of democracy. It is clear that by doing so the Council, first of all, tried to preserve its own power, which by that time was literally slipping out of its hands, but objectively assessing this step, it must be admitted that limiting the powers of the head of state would ultimately benefit the entire society, creating a real a mechanism that protects the country and its population from openly adventurist and voluntaristic decisions of one single person. But, unfortunately, this did not happen.

      7. Glory1974
        Glory1974 3 October 2023 10: 43
        +15
        It is far from a fact that if the Supreme Council had won, then something would have changed.
        A lot would have changed. The council did not allow Yeltsin and those close to him to carry out predatory reforms, and planned to legislatively limit the power of the president. After Yeltsin’s victory, loans-for-shares auctions took place, a massive seizure of state property took place, a constitution was written for Tsar Yeltsin, 70% copied from the Tsar’s. Once all this was put into practice, there was really no way to get off the hook, so everyone was given an amnesty. And we still live under this constitution.
      8. Glory1974
        Glory1974 3 October 2023 10: 44
        +5
        It is far from a fact that if the Supreme Council had won, then something would have changed.
        A lot would have changed. The council did not allow Yeltsin and those close to him to carry out predatory reforms, and planned to legislatively limit the power of the president. After Yeltsin’s victory, loans-for-shares auctions took place, a massive seizure of state property took place, a constitution was written for Tsar Yeltsin, 70% copied from the Tsar’s. Once all this was put into practice, there was really no way to get off the hook, so everyone was given an amnesty. And we still live under this constitution.
      9. former soldier
        former soldier 3 October 2023 16: 12
        +2
        It is far from a fact that if the Supreme Council had won, then something would have changed. Only names and surnames. Russia had already taken the path of capitalism, the USSR had completely outlived its usefulness, then no one believed in its revival, and most importantly, no one wanted it. Well, the Americans took our country in their tenacious claws


        The point is not that something has become obsolete there. If the Supreme Council were to win, Russian figures who wanted to enrich themselves and American advisers would flock to its side, infiltrate all its structures and continue their destructive work. They also attracted supporters of the Supreme Council to their side. There are not many staunch, principled fighters in any cause. sad
    2. carpenter
      carpenter 3 October 2023 05: 19
      +2
      Quote: Proton
      This is the tragedy of my Motherland.
      To great regret.


      And at that moment the country did not have that only friend who could save it.
      1. Cartographer
        Cartographer 3 October 2023 07: 23
        -2
        Quote: carpenter
        Quote: Proton
        This is the tragedy of my Motherland.
        To great regret.


        And at that moment the country did not have that only friend who could save it.

        How could he save her? Send in troops? To send in troops you need at least a request. Imagine Rutskoi asking to bring in Cuban or North Korean troops or Chinese. In principle, everything was so unclear there that it wouldn’t be easy to figure out who was doing what
        1. carpenter
          carpenter 3 October 2023 07: 43
          +7
          Quote from Kartograph
          Imagine, Rutskoi asks to bring in Cuban or North Korean troops or Chinese.

          And what did the Russian army do, why didn’t Rutsky ask it to overthrow Yeltsin and the henchmen of the West.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 3 October 2023 08: 59
            +12
            Quote: carpenter
            What did the Russian army do?, why doesn’t Rutskoi ask her to overthrow Yeltsin and the henchmen of the West.

            Don't you know?
            Russian officers, together with their families, left their places of service in the former Soviet republics and groups of troops...Generals and commanders sold off property, writing it off urgently through helpful ensigns and deputy commanders.
            The weapons were deposited in warehouses, and a certain number of small arms were left for guard duty and detachments...
            Why should I explain to you when the military was “embarrassed” to wear a military uniform...
            Until recently, one organized crime group kept a military unit in the Western Military District at bay, and you want something from the military, who did not have enough money to provide for their family’s needs - such was the inflation...
            By 1993, there were no officers left in the army who did not swear allegiance to the EBN regime...
            Who EBN was “hooking up” with was shown on TV... All the bureaucratic and thieves’ rabble came out of hiding... I still don’t understand how American governance was not introduced in the country...
            1. vovochkarzhevsky
              vovochkarzhevsky 3 October 2023 09: 18
              +2
              By 1993, there were no officers left in the army who did not swear allegiance to the EBN regime...


              Do not lie. No one took the oath again. That’s why they forced Soviet officers out of the army, replacing them with youngsters, spitting on combat effectiveness.
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 3 October 2023 12: 23
                +2
                Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                Do not lie. No one took the oath again.

                Is there any data or evidence? I quit in 1992 and was offered to sign the text of the new EBN oath... And in 1993 the unit was disbanded...
                They found a liar...Out of all the preferences they gave me for the message, they threw two “sticks” at me...
                Is one of them from you, a man of crystal honesty?
                The “minus” in your turnip is mine, I don’t like lies and incompetence...
                It's all fair...
                1. vovochkarzhevsky
                  vovochkarzhevsky 3 October 2023 14: 00
                  +1
                  Is there any data or evidence? I quit in 1992 and was offered to sign the text of the new EBN oath... And in 1993 the unit was disbanded...
                  They found a liar...Out of all the preferences they gave me for the message, they threw two “sticks” at me...
                  Is one of them from you, a man of crystal honesty?
                  The “minus” in your turnip is mine, I don’t like lies and incompetence...
                  It's all fair...


                  But I resigned in 1996 and did not sign any texts of a new oath and were not offered. Like the entire regiment (helicopter regiment, by the way, and therefore there are more officers there than in the infantry regiment).
                  And if you forgot, the Russian Federation declared itself the legal successor of the USSR, and therefore no one was forced to swear the oath again.
                  1. Grancer81
                    Grancer81 3 October 2023 20: 11
                    +3
                    This writer talks like a gray gelding...
                    1. Edvid
                      Edvid 11 October 2023 01: 58
                      0
                      Autumn 1993 means the country's final transition in the economic field to the legal recognition of private property. But economics is closely intertwined with politics, and who will rule the country in the new conditions was also decided in 1993. Those who mourn the Soviet system do not even notice that the “Caucasus” could really come to power in the largest country again. No matter how offensive it may be for someone, the mentality of the “little one” is different from the mentality of the “big one”. And the country has already “passed through” the period when it was ruled by the “Caucasus” and what it is known for...
                  2. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 7 October 2023 13: 43
                    0
                    I remembered a report from either 1990 or 1991, even before the collapse of the USSR. They showed on television, in the program “Serving the Soviet Union,” an officers’ meeting in a helicopter regiment, in Tskhinvali, I think. It was not a very pleasant experience. On the one hand, there are fair demands for increased wages and compliance with social guarantees. On the other hand, behavior in the bazaar style, blackmailing the command: “Yes, we will get a job in any other army, or we will become mercenaries, we will always find a job for ourselves.” The feeling is that it is not a meeting of pilot officers, but a meeting of market workers or a housing and communal services office.
                2. Grancer81
                  Grancer81 3 October 2023 20: 10
                  +4
                  No one who served in the army at that time offered to take the oath again, if we are talking about units located on the territory of Russia, so you will lie elsewhere. I myself retired at the beginning of 1993 from the 67th BAP 76th VA LenVO.
          2. Dante Alighieri
            Dante Alighieri 3 October 2023 11: 46
            +5
            And what did the Russian army do, why didn’t Rutsky ask it to overthrow Yeltsin and the henchmen of the West.

            You know, army guys are generally very specific guys. Among them, no joke, there are a lot of smart and perspicacious people who understand everything perfectly, but they cannot just say, that is, publicly indicate their position, because somewhere in the very subcortex of their brain they have an immutable, but simple the truth: “a big giraffe knows better,” seniors in rank cannot make mistakes, and if they can, then there will be dozens of reasons to justify the unprofessionalism and incompetence of their superiors. But this is not their fault. Still, the army is not an institution where personal initiative is welcomed, and therefore individuals prone to independent actions, to actions outside the established framework or approved patterns, as a rule, do not take root in the army, and even if they do take root, they rarely reach career heights. This is where Chatsky’s famous “I’d be glad to serve, but it’s sickening to be served.”

            Please note that even over the last 30 years of relative democracy and openness, it is difficult and difficult to find those who, as high-ranking officers, were able to preserve themselves as a free person, publicly defending their views and beliefs. For me personally, these are Lieutenant General Lev Rokhlin and Major General Ivan Popov. That's all. For 30 years. Not too much, right? All the rest, due to their moral and volitional qualities, are simply physically unable to oppose the orders of management. This is the specificity of these essentially very good, but weak-willed people. Here is heroism and a dignified death - this is before, this is about them, and let someone else deal with saving the Fatherland from internal enemies.

            I will give an example that I think will be clear to many. I often remember our late forum member Alexey Kuznetsov (Alex TV). To which he was truly an open, simple and at the same time a very erudite and intelligent person, well aware of the state of affairs in our army, but even he, when the Northern Military District began, first of all, came out with support for the policy pursued by the Kremlin. Let me emphasize that Alexey was well aware of what our tank troops were and nevertheless, as soon as he threw out the cry “The Motherland is in danger”, even for such a specialist as he, the switch instantly went off, completely turning off all reflection.

            And do you require initiative from such people? Do you demand that they support Rutskoi, who is personally understandable to them (after all, he is a major general), but nevertheless is not the formal head of state? Ha, three times ha. Yes, they would rather, like the rest of the 80-90% of the population, sit still and watch how their country is being bullied, helplessly gnashing their teeth and clenching their fists, but I repeat, they will do absolutely nothing, although, it would seem, no one else could The Motherland entrusted its protection and safety to them. I repeat, this is not the fault of these people. This is the specificity of the army as a strictly hierarchical institution. But for some reason, Turkish military officers have enough firepower to naturally carry the country, but our guys, each of whom individually is a hundred times superior to their foreign colleagues, somehow did not succeed in this. Paradox...
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 7 October 2023 13: 47
              0
              Erdogan managed to bring the Turkish army under control; everyone who was too active was either fired, or imprisoned, or destroyed during the coup attempt.
          3. sadam2
            sadam2 3 October 2023 17: 58
            +2
            Rutskoi to Yeltsin, Cook to Putin... we’re all in circles...
            Monarchy in one hand is fraught. Wofka also, out of lawlessness, rewrote the constitution for himself. It is not yet known how in 30 years the young people will present us with today’s trash.
            Hated bipartisan pintos, regardless of the leading party and the president, plus or minus, maintain direction
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 7 October 2023 13: 49
              0
              So, in fact, they do not have insurmountable ideological differences between Republicans and Democrats; the programs of these two parties coincide 90 percent. And third parties, with the exception of a number of municipalities and a couple of states, have no chance of coming to power. This is facilitated by the majoritarian electoral system of relative majority, when in a district, in order to win, a candidate for deputy only needs to come out on top, without even having half the votes.
      2. ivan2022
        ivan2022 3 October 2023 08: 40
        +2
        Quote: carpenter

        And at that moment the country did not have that only friend who could save it.

        There's nothing new under the sun. What happened then, happened before.

        In October 1917, the All-Russian Congress of Deputies was also held. But that congress had protection - the power structure of the Petrograd Soviet - the “Red Guard”. Therefore, he could really change the government.

        What is the problem? The fact is that the actions of the Congress in 1917 are perceived by the people today as a coup d'etat.
        And the actions of “Tsar Boris” - in October 1993 - as a royal command.....

        If in the consciousness of society everything is turned upside down, its life for many years will be placed in the same indecent position: a fixed “getting up from your knees...”..
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 3 October 2023 07: 47
      +22
      Quote: Proton
      It’s stupid to blame the USA for everything, we ourselves we came to this.

      There are no we. I didn't go for this. My parents too. They brought us. And not of my own free will.
    4. sergey_vakk
      sergey_vakk 3 October 2023 20: 55
      +4
      It’s funny to talk about a popular uprising. I remember this small group of people that they were able to gather from all over the country. In Moscow, the majority knew what was happening there only from TV. People worked, only onlookers hung around there. And in other cities of the country there was general silence. Damn revolution .they just didn’t share power
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 October 2023 13: 55
        +1
        Many in the province supported the Supreme Council. But, of course, the overwhelming majority were not going to go to Moscow, fight, much less die for him. To be fair, many were still for Yeltsin at that time.
    5. Gennady Bogdanovich
      Gennady Bogdanovich 4 October 2023 16: 28
      0
      The topic is interesting. But for now it’s just blah blah blah.
      I propose to establish a medal "JUDAS" - for participation in the coup d'etat of 1991, 1993, for anti-people actions (shooting up parliament, killing civilians, beating protesters, etc.), for betraying the Motherland.
      Medal Candidates:
      1. Participants in the 1991 coup. First of all, those awarded the Zaka.
      2. The soldiers shot at Parliament and killed protesters.
      All of these “heroes” are relatively easy to identify and reward publicly.
      The country must know its "heroes"
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 October 2023 13: 59
        +3
        Some of those who were against the State Emergency Committee and for Yeltsin in 1991, in 1993 were already against Yeltsin and on the side of the Supreme Council. On the other hand, some officers who declared in 1991 that they would not shoot at the people, at the defenders of the White House, and actually sabotaged the orders of Yazov and the high military command, in 1993 carried out the order to shell and storm this building.
  2. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 3 October 2023 04: 18
    +37
    “To the 30th anniversary of the defeat of the popular uprising” -

    ***

    ***
    1. Comrade
      Comrade 3 October 2023 04: 26
      +45
      Yeltsin Center should not be closed, but repurposed into Museum of the 90s.
      And crime, and the collapsed economy, and oligarchization, and the demographic crisis - guides could tell young people about a lot there.
      1. Andrey NM
        Andrey NM 3 October 2023 05: 00
        +27
        You don't even need to rename it. The name of the center should be clearly associated with crime, lawlessness, with what these “reformers” did.
        1. AA17
          AA17 3 October 2023 06: 25
          +14
          You don't even need to rename it. The name of the center should be clearly associated with crime, lawlessness, with what these “reformers” did.


          In front of the entrance to this center, hang a huge sign with words from an analytical note prepared by Chubais in 1990. to carry out killer market reform. : http://koet.syktsu.ru/vestnik/2006/2006-2/9.htm

          “The immediate social consequences of accelerated market reform include:
          - general decline in living standards;
          — growth of differentiation of prices and incomes of the population;
          - the emergence of mass unemployment.
          The population must clearly understand that the government does not guarantee a place of work and a standard of living, but only guarantees life itself..."
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 3 October 2023 10: 47
            +9
            with words from an analytical note prepared by Chubais in 1990. to carry out killer market reform.

            And add from his interview: “Well, 20-30 million will die out, don’t think about them. They didn’t fit into the market.”
      2. Luminman
        Luminman 3 October 2023 05: 05
        +19
        Quote: Comrade
        The guides could tell you a lot there

        Now the guides at this Alkash Center are explaining something completely different to today’s youth...
      3. carpenter
        carpenter 3 October 2023 05: 21
        +19
        Quote: Comrade
        Yeltsin Center should not be closed, but repurposed into the Museum of the 90s.

        Museum of the genocide of the Soviet people.
      4. atos_kin
        atos_kin 3 October 2023 10: 45
        0
        Quote: Comrade
        Yeltsin Center should not be closed, but repurposed into

        Stalin Center! For the second time, only Comrade Stalin can save the USSR.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 3 October 2023 14: 01
          +5
          Quote: atos_kin
          Stalin Center! For the second time, only Comrade Stalin can save the USSR.

          "... those who want to return Stalin will be punished with rubles and imprisoned". Matvienko in the Federation Council.
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          That's why the Yeltsin Center is still functioning!

          Yesterday, the boorish Soloviev, as always, silenced an invitee who declared that the USSR was a parliamentary republic. The obvious reason is Yeltsin’s crime for the shooting of parliament.
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 18: 53
            +4
            I saw this disgrace, but Vitaly Toevich Tretyakov is absolutely right. The Supreme Council, like all parliaments, was an elected body.
            They clung to the word parliament.
            It doesn’t matter what the name of the elected legislative body is, what matters is what functions it performs.
            Solovyov shouted and raged, and the rest giggled.
            Disgusting sight.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 02
            0
            Lawyers have such a concept as a “Soviet-type republic.” It is very different from the classic parliamentary republic, but still closer to it, and not to a presidential or semi-presidential republic.
      5. Machito
        Machito 3 October 2023 12: 27
        +7
        Quote: Comrade
        Yeltsin Center should not be closed, but repurposed into Museum of the 90s.
        And crime, and the collapsed economy, and oligarchization, and the demographic crisis - guides could tell young people about a lot there.

        The EBN center needs to be repurposed as a museum of the GENOCIDE OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE. EBN needs to be posthumously convicted, his remains burned, the ashes loaded into a cannon and fired towards the West, and all relatives repressed.
      6. jdiver
        jdiver 3 October 2023 12: 28
        +3
        good and correct fantasies. In order for this to cease to be a fantasy, it is necessary to make sure that everything said above remains only in the museum, and not in reality outside the window. And it is unlikely that those who built the center in memory of the “saints of the 90s” will do this.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 3 October 2023 04: 29
      +5
      the anti-people regime of Yeltsin and reformers-optimizers enjoyed the full support of the collective West.
      That's why the Yeltsin Center is still functioning!
      1. carpenter
        carpenter 3 October 2023 06: 05
        +16
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        That's why the Yeltsin Center is still functioning!


        Chubais left the country but is on the board of trustees of the Yeltsin Center, I won’t say anything about Voloshin, but I don’t understand the head of the presidential administration Vaino and his deputy Gromov, but I think many understand what Defense Minister Shoigu is doing there.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 3 October 2023 06: 24
          +19
          Quote: carpenter
          I think many people understand what Defense Minister Shoigu is doing there.

          Shoigu, at Gaidar’s request, issued hundreds of machine guns to “defend democracy,” but is there something you don’t understand?
          1. carpenter
            carpenter 3 October 2023 08: 38
            +2
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Shoigu, at Gaidar’s request, issued hundreds of machine guns to “defend democracy,” but is there something you don’t understand?

            Well, I wrote - “I think many understand.” Although we are now the ones who have become smart having lived under capitalism.
        2. Cartographer
          Cartographer 3 October 2023 07: 25
          +9
          Quote: carpenter
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          That's why the Yeltsin Center is still functioning!


          Chubais left the country but is on the board of trustees of the Yeltsin Center, I won’t say anything about Voloshin, but I don’t understand the head of the presidential administration Vaino and his deputy Gromov, but I think many understand what Defense Minister Shoigu is doing there.

          But Putin lays flowers on the grave every year
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 18: 56
            +2
            Well, the spiritual father. These are the pies with kittens.
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 3 October 2023 06: 12
        +33
        Yeltsin's anti-people regime
        This phrase amused me. After Yeltsin left, the regime became popular. smile
      3. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 4 October 2023 03: 33
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        .... That's why the Yeltsin Center is still functioning!

        hi Of course, Vladimir Vladimirovich! After all, he has been trying all these years to praise and legitimize all the events of the 90s, calling them democracy and freedom. Give legitimacy and necessity for the Russian Federation to privatization and the creation of a new hostile class
    3. archiroll
      archiroll 3 October 2023 05: 53
      +2
      It's better to leave and write the truth...
      1. carpenter
        carpenter 3 October 2023 06: 09
        +4
        Quote: arhitroll
        It's better to leave and write the truth...

        Excuse me, but when was the last time you read the truth? I personally read before Gorbachev, and even then this rarely happened.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 3 October 2023 09: 49
          0
          It may be a revelation for some, but there is no “truth” as such! There is only a “fact”, “its reality”, and “truth” or “not true”, this is already an “assessment” of the fact and its reality. “Evaluation” occurs from different positions, hence different interpretations and different “truth”.
    4. parusnik
      parusnik 3 October 2023 05: 55
      +23
      Who will close? The one who opened? smile
  3. Des
    Des 3 October 2023 04: 57
    +11
    Khasbulatov said in an interview that later many “policemen” told him: “There was an order not to kill the deputies, but the rest can be killed.” And no sanctions or isolation for you. The US is happy. The USA openly rules the world after the collapse of the USSR, because it is their world. They created it for themselves. It’s hard for those who don’t fit into their system or pursue independent policies. As a result, it is better and more profitable for all states to live by their rules, otherwise they will be crushed, strangled or destroyed. Therefore, no one openly helps the Russian Federation except two states.
    1. your1970
      your1970 3 October 2023 05: 55
      +4
      Quote: Des
      Khasbulatov said in an interview that later many “policemen” told him: “There was an order not to kill the deputies, but the rest can be killed.”

      Yeah...and the deputies apparently glow in the dark or blacks - the people knew about 10k of the most familiar ones. No one knew the rest by sight...
      So it's a banal lie...
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 04
        0
        But nevertheless, indeed, not a single MP was killed during these events.
    2. carpenter
      carpenter 3 October 2023 06: 14
      +7
      Quote: Des
      The USA openly rules the world after the collapse of the USSR, because it is their world.

      The United States purchased the elite of the USSR, which betrayed the country, just like the elite of the Russian Empire in February 1917.
      To give credit where credit is due, the Anglo-Saxons worked competently, starting after the death of Stalin with Nikita Khrushchev and ending with Eltsin.
      1. your1970
        your1970 3 October 2023 08: 38
        +2
        Quote: carpenter
        USA purchased elite of the USSR, who betrayed the country, like the elite of the Russian Empire in February 1917.
        To give credit where credit is due, the Anglo-Saxons worked competently, starting after the death of Stalin with Nikita Khrushchev and ending with Eltsin.

        That is, the USSR was really the “Upper Volta with missiles” - since they managed to buy so easily EVERYTHING the top of the CPSU??
        However....even Shpakovsky does not apply this to the USSR....
  4. Luminman
    Luminman 3 October 2023 05: 02
    +19
    There will always be a scoundrel who is ready to give an order to suppress a protest for a jar of jam and personally direct the actions of tank crews in targeted shooting at a building. I'm about General Evnevich, who personally received the Hero of the Russian Federation from the hands of the President-Drunk. He will burn in the fire...
    ...
    1. Cartographer
      Cartographer 3 October 2023 07: 29
      -4
      Quote: Luminman
      There will always be a scoundrel who is ready to give an order to suppress a protest for a jar of jam and personally direct the actions of tank crews in targeted shooting at a building. I'm about General Evnevich, who personally received the Hero of the Russian Federation from the hands of the President-Drunk. He will burn in the fire...
      ...

      The army follows orders. If you think about orders, then this is not an army but something else. If you don’t want to follow orders, resign. Have you seen many generals who resigned on their own?
      1. Luminman
        Luminman 3 October 2023 07: 32
        +12
        Quote from Kartograph
        The army follows orders

        The army is at war with an external enemy...
        1. carpenter
          carpenter 3 October 2023 07: 48
          +2
          Quote: Luminman
          The army is at war with an external enemy...

          But inside the country, there is no one to protect the people. And why the army took Yeltsin’s side. No one will answer this question, but by the minuses it will be possible to understand who and for whom.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 3 October 2023 08: 39
            +4
            Quote: carpenter
            But inside the country, there is no one to protect the people

            From whom? From the people?
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 3 October 2023 09: 07
              +3
              Quote: Stas157
              From whom? From the people?

              From bureaucratic, criminal and commercial lawlessness... From those who organized life on coupons in a free country...
              And tell you where you could get coupons and earn at least some money... It was not because of a good life that the Kuzbass miners blocked the railway and banged their helmets in Moscow...
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 3 October 2023 09: 38
                0
                Quote: ROSS 42
                From bureaucratic, criminal and commercial lawlessness...

                Should the army protect against this? hi
              2. your1970
                your1970 3 October 2023 15: 54
                0
                Quote: ROSS 42
                bureaucratic, criminal and commercial lawlessness...From those who organized life on coupons in a free country...
                And tell you where you could get coupons and earn at least some money... It was not because of a good life that the Kuzbass miners blocked the railway and banged their helmets in Moscow...
                Reply
                As far as my memory serves me, they started knocking in 1989. Or then in the USSR has been
                Quote: ROSS 42
                bureaucratic, criminal and commercial chaos.
                ??
                1. Essex62
                  Essex62 4 October 2023 15: 23
                  0
                  This is a consequence and not a cause. It was necessary to do so and you did it. Discrimination and rebellion. In 1989, it was no longer the USSR.
          2. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 19: 00
            +2
            Quote: carpenter
            Quote: Luminman
            The army is at war with an external enemy...

            But inside the country, there is no one to protect the people. And why the army took Yeltsin’s side. No one will answer this question, but by the minuses it will be possible to understand who and for whom.

            The intelligence services must protect from internal enemies. These are their tasks, not the army.
        2. Cartographer
          Cartographer 3 October 2023 09: 34
          +4
          Quote: Luminman
          Quote from Kartograph
          The army follows orders

          The army is at war with an external enemy...
          but anyone can be called an enemy. And the president and his entourage decide this. Point a finger at Afghanistan, go fight. Point a finger at Angola, go fight. Even the Supreme Council can be called traitors and mercenaries, destabilizing the situation and seeking to change the government system. And in America in general: “I swear to fight external and internal enemies”
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 19: 03
            +1
            Quote from Kartograph
            Quote: Luminman
            Quote from Kartograph
            The army follows orders

            The army is at war with an external enemy...
            but anyone can be called an enemy. And the president and his entourage decide this. Point a finger at Afghanistan, go fight. Point a finger at Angola, go fight. Even the Supreme Council can be called traitors and mercenaries, destabilizing the situation and seeking to change the government system. And in America in general: “I swear to fight external and internal enemies”

            In the tsarist army it was written in the oath - to protect from external and internal enemies.
            In the Soviet oath, when I took it, in 74, I don’t remember this.
            1. Cartographer
              Cartographer 3 October 2023 19: 33
              -2
              Quote: Ulan.1812
              In the Soviet oath, when I took it, in 74, I don’t remember this.

              In America
              Oath of the USSR:
              ...unquestioningly carry out all military regulations and orders of commanders and superiors.
              and until the last breath to be devoted to his people, his Soviet homeland and the Soviet government.

              I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Motherland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a warrior of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and life itself to achieve complete victory over the enemies .
              If I violate this solemn oath of mine, then let me suffer the harsh punishment of Soviet law, the general hatred and contempt of the workers ”
              As you can see, there is no talk of external enemies, we are talking generally about the enemies of the USSR, therefore the people who destroyed the USSR are enemies, and the army that violated the oath is oathbreakers
              1. solar
                solar 4 October 2023 23: 03
                -1
                It seems you missed one point...
                I'm always ready by order of the Soviet Government come to the defense of my Motherland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

                Was there an order?
      2. U-58
        U-58 3 October 2023 08: 12
        +7
        I know one major who, after these events, filed a report and resigned.
        Was with Barkashov, then in the Cossacks, accepted the “Old Belief”. A very adequate and correct man in life.
      3. Yuri Vasilyev
        Yuri Vasilyev 3 October 2023 17: 47
        +4
        What about criminal orders? After all, a general is not a conscript soldier.
        1. Cartographer
          Cartographer 3 October 2023 19: 40
          -1
          Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
          What about criminal orders?

          See above. There is no talk about criminal orders
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 06
      0
      Well, did Lebed, beloved by many in the Military District, do the honorable thing in 1991 by refusing to follow the orders of the military leadership and going over to Yeltsin’s side? Or the same Shaposhnikov, Grachev and another communications general, Grachev’s competitor, did his name slip out of your head?
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 October 2023 16: 58
        0
        I remember this general’s last name is Kobets.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 3 October 2023 05: 24
    +7
    In St. Petersburg, it was much calmer, a group of young people, about 100 people, with slogans: “Yeltsin’s gang on trial!”, walked along Nevsky, reached the television center, stood and dispersed. Tyulkin, the leader of the local communists, threw some small change at the feet of the riot police, shouting “Here are your 30 pieces of silver!” That was all. In Moscow, it was more tragic, but on the other hand, it was strange to look at the small handful of defenders of the White House and the huge crowd that was watching this from the balconies , on the bridge, I took pictures of everything.. Yeltsin, then was supported by the entire “democratic West”, Havel and others. And the Russian cultural intelligentsia, many later received medals. They watched TV in ecstasy, wrote collective letters in support. To the general masses, it didn’t matter. But if now the White House and the State Duma “revolt”, no one will come out to support her. And then, out of two evils, they chose the greater and it became a tradition, a spiritual bond.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 3 October 2023 07: 57
      +5
      Quote: parusnik
      And then, out of two evils, they chose the greater and it became a tradition, a spiritual bond.

      And then the same thing happened again in Ukraine, the same manual.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 12
        0
        The only difference there is that on the two Maidans, politicians from the representative government prevailed over politicians from the executive government.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 3 October 2023 10: 48
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      The majority of the people didn't care.

      "The province yawned sadly and nervously at the TV, And someone just went home and ate scrambled eggs. The corpses breathed quietly, regularly under the pharmacist's scalpel, And someone was already twirling their personality in the mirror. The country was torn, it was bent in half, looking for help, And Help with a tank crushed vegetables on the trays. Applause, encore! Everywhere the spectacle roared, Shot right in trouble, will you see where else?" ("Truth to Truth" DDT) hi
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 19: 09
        +4
        Where should we go in the province? To the local city executive committee? And what to demand?
        All revolutions that are a struggle for power take place in the capitals, where power is concentrated.
        The province worked.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 7 October 2023 17: 00
          0
          There were already district executive committees, there were already district and city administrations. At the same time, city and district councils still existed in parallel.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 10
      0
      In Moscow, some people came to watch the shelling of the White House as entertainment and took photographs of it.
  6. ism_ek
    ism_ek 3 October 2023 05: 54
    -13
    It was not Yeltsin who ruined the country, but empty talkers - the Gorbachevites.
    I was a first year student this year. He himself did not participate in the events, but there were friends in the newly built White House and in Ostankino. The victims the author writes about are complete nonsense.
    “Shock therapy” began on January 1, 1992, a year and a half before these events, and was a consequence of the bankruptcy of the USSR.
    Finally, it was recognized that the Gorbachevites squandered the money of citizens and enterprises stored in banks, they are gone, and everyone is starting to live from scratch. Most enterprises could not stand it and went bankrupt.
    Of course, Yeltsin made a lot of mistakes, but at least he did something, and didn’t wag his tongue like the deputies.
    There was no good way out of the situation into which Gorbachev drove the country.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 3 October 2023 06: 07
      +7
      but at least he did something
      He pushed for broad privatization and did, the Supreme Council was against it. In my town, there were a dozen and a half enterprises. The November-May Day demonstrations began at 9 o’clock and ended at 15.00. Then they also spent the same time, May Day, long live the union of labor and capital smile They lasted less than an hour. And in place of those enterprises that were, warehouses, shops.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 3 October 2023 06: 20
        +4
        Quote: parusnik
        The Supreme Court was against it.

        What was the Armed Forces against?
        Voucher privatization has been carried out since 1992 on the basis of laws adopted by the Supreme Court.
        Let's not tell tales about the fact that the deputies were against privatization and liberalization.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 3 October 2023 06: 39
          +6
          Let's not tell tales about the fact that deputies were against privatization and liberalization
          No, they weren’t, but they proposed doing it gradually, and not on a large scale, as Yeltsin did. So this happened in my city, en masse and all at once. These are not fairy tales, but reality, but the process accelerated, after October 1993, nothing happened The port stopped working for 3 years. It worked barely, barely. Then, already in 1996, work began to improve.
          1. ism_ek
            ism_ek 3 October 2023 06: 48
            +6
            Quote: parusnik
            No, they weren’t, but they proposed to do it gradually, and not on a large scale, as Yeltsin did.

            You are not right. The Armed Forces included proteges of directors of state enterprises who wanted to take ownership of their enterprises. All at once, nothing gradually. That's why they agreed to Chubais's voucher privatization in 1992.
            Another thing is that by 1993 everything went a little wrong. And property began to float out of the hands of the directors. This was largely the conflict.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 3 October 2023 07: 07
          +1
          Quote: ism_ek
          Let's not tell tales about the fact that the deputies were against privatization and liberalization.

          The deputies were against impersonal vouchers and a bill for personalized vouchers was ready, but when they were on vacation, Chubais and Gaidar did everything their way.
          1. ism_ek
            ism_ek 3 October 2023 07: 20
            +7
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            The deputies were against impersonal vouchers and a bill for personalized vouchers was ready, but when they were on vacation, Chubais and Gaidar did everything their way.

            What would it change?
            And in general, it’s very cool, the country is collapsing, thousands of enterprises are closing every day, people are becoming beggars en masse, crime is going through the roof, and the deputies are on vacation... It’s just a vacation, business will wait for me for a two-month vacation....
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 3 October 2023 07: 30
              +3
              Quote: ism_ek
              What would it change?

              Each person would have the right to use only one of his own vouchers, and not bags of purchased ones during privatization, when they became the holders of the main blocks of shares.
              1. your1970
                your1970 3 October 2023 19: 15
                -1
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: ism_ek
                What would it change?

                Each person would have the right to use only one of his own vouchers, and not bags of purchased ones during privatization, when they became the holders of the main blocks of shares.

                These were exactly the certificates of ownership of land - registered for a certain number of hectares.
                And?
                People like Grudinin eventually bought them and that’s it...
                By the way, this is why in the villages they clearly know the chain of SPK-OJSC-ZAO and who profited from it and became 97% owner of the shares, despite the fact that there are no more than 49 people in the CJSC...
                А cities beat themselves in the chest - yes, he is ours, he lives nearby... well, he is a billionaire and the owner of 97% of the shares, which he can sell at any time - For ZAO. Moreover, unlike OJSC, he can sell to anyone - even Biden... For ZAO.. .
            2. U-58
              U-58 3 October 2023 08: 24
              +5
              What would it change?
              I don’t know how old you are and what you remember about privatization.
              Yeltsin himself broadcast on TV that every citizen would open a NAMED privatization account in rubles at Sberbank. And these funds can be spent on privatization.
              But Comrade Chubais got involved and pushed through the idea of ​​impersonal vouchers.
              And crowds of resellers appeared with signs “I will buy and sell a voucher.”
              Someone wanted to make some money from this. I knew one of my colleagues like this. I bought for 3 thousand rubles, sold for 7. I didn’t get rich.
              But the people who have money organized a massive purchase of these vouchers among drunks and poor peasants for 1-2 bottles of vodka.
              All this happened before my eyes.
              Having thus formed packages of vouchers for fantastic amounts, these businessmen took over the main pieces of property, now becoming oligarchs.
              1. ism_ek
                ism_ek 3 October 2023 09: 19
                +3
                Quote: U-58
                I don’t know how old you are and what you remember about privatization.

                How old were you?
                Only 30% of the shares were sold for vouchers. Everything else was sold for money or distributed among workers. In most cases, employees were given a choice: either you give the shares to the director or you are fired. It was impossible to sell shares of any local plant unless a raider appeared to buy the shares.
                “Privatization for money” was carried out by the directors; they decided who was allowed to participate in the auction and who was not. Again, everything went to the directors through this channel.
                In short, the law was written by deputies so that directors should become owners. But things didn't go according to plan. General confusion, corruption, etc. intervened.
                1. Glory1974
                  Glory1974 3 October 2023 10: 58
                  +1
                  The law was written by deputies so that directors should become owners. But things didn't go according to plan.

                  This is how privatization took place in Eastern European countries, for example in the Czech Republic, and no one sawed up their Skoda factories for scrap metal. The owners were to be the work teams headed by the directors. And they did not have to sell their machines and equipment for scrap. But they had to develop production further. And this is exactly what Yeltsin did not allow. Moreover, they held loans-for-shares auctions and distributed property to people without money, not to directors and teams, but to their own people.
                  In addition, it was planned to limit the power of the president. But Yeltsin did the opposite, strengthened it, and we see this in our lives.
                  1. ism_ek
                    ism_ek 3 October 2023 12: 16
                    +3
                    Quote: glory1974
                    This is how privatization took place in Eastern European countries, for example in the Czech Republic, and no one sawed up their Skoda factories for scrap metal. The owners were to be the work teams headed by the directors.

                    No workers became the owners of Skoda. And in general, Skoda and Tatra are the only large industrial enterprises in the Czech Republic. If during the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic industry accounted for 69% of GDP, now it is less than 30. The Czech Republic is a bad example, everything was cut there too.
                    Quote: glory1974
                    Moreover, they held loans-for-shares auctions and distributed property to people without money, not to directors and teams, but to their own people.

                    Loans-for-shares auctions are definitely a crime. In justification, it can be said that the management of these oil companies has become uncontrollable. They stopped paying taxes and became the largest debtors. The reason is difficult to name. There is theft at all levels, and the inability to organize sales. In order to somehow rectify the situation, they appointed their own people to manage these companies...
            3. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 7 October 2023 17: 02
              0
              In 1992-1993, enterprises had not yet closed en masse.
          2. your1970
            your1970 3 October 2023 08: 49
            -1
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: ism_ek
            Let's not tell tales about the fact that the deputies were against privatization and liberalization.

            The deputies were against impersonal vouchers and a bill for personalized vouchers was ready, but when they were on vacation, Chubais and Gaidar did everything their way.

            The privatization law was adopted back in 1991, and by 1993 the deputies realized that the money was passing them by. The industry began to be divided back in 1992. In 1993 it was too late to introduce personalized vouchers.
            That's the whole song
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 3 October 2023 09: 18
              +1
              Quote: your1970
              In 1993 it was too late to introduce personalized vouchers.
              That's the whole song

              Where did I write about 1993?
              1. your1970
                your1970 3 October 2023 12: 11
                +1
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: your1970
                In 1993 it was too late to introduce personalized vouchers.
                That's the whole song

                Where did I write about 1993?

                You are nowhere.
                The discussion was about “good deputies” who are like for the people and 1993
          3. kor1vet1974
            kor1vet1974 3 October 2023 09: 33
            +8
            Let's not tell tales about the fact that the deputies were against privatization and liberalization.
            I don’t know who was for it and who was against it. I know one thing: if our collective farm in the village functioned successfully until October 1993, they didn’t divide it, didn’t privatize it, after October, they smashed it into dust. And you think, on the collective farm fields, now hundreds of hardworking farmers working? You are mistaken. Everything is overgrown. We don’t know who the owner is. They are constantly being resold. And we live because people work on a rotational basis in different cities, and we had a lot of things, even a technical school... The only thing that has survived is a fish farm, but it is also private.
        3. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 4 October 2023 09: 50
          0
          Quote: ism_ek
          it

          They passed a law where vouchers must be personalized.
          It was impossible to sell.
          Yeltsin and Chubais did not care about the law.
      2. your1970
        your1970 3 October 2023 08: 46
        -4
        Quote: parusnik
        The Supreme Court was against

        UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS
        LAW
        ABOUT THE BASIC PRINCIPLES OF DENATILIZATION
        AND PRIVATIZATION OF ENTERPRISES
        1991 year MSG
        Quote: parusnik
        they proposed to do it gradually, and not on a large scale, as Yeltsin did. So this happened in my city, en masse and at once. These are not fairy tales, but reality, but the process accelerated, after October 1993, nothing happened

        So they started dividing everything much EARLIER
      3. Eugene Zaboy
        Eugene Zaboy 4 October 2023 02: 50
        +1
        Anastasia Lotareva
        Position, BBC
        3 October 2023, 07:02 GMT

        The rebel deputies were supported by the street - it was coordinated by the National Salvation Front. This was the first experience in Russian history of an alliance of forces radically different in ideology: national patriots and “leftists.” Its Political Council included Gennady Zyuganov, later the head of the official Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Albert Makashov, radical communist Sazhi Umalatova, nationalist Ilya Konstantinov, reporter Alexander Nevzorov and many other various political figures.


        So where is Alexander Nevzorov now? In Kyiv. What a shame. Why doesn’t he protect Russia? Did he really defend Russia in 1993, or did he understand what he was doing?
    2. Dutchman Michel
      Dutchman Michel 3 October 2023 06: 43
      +18
      Quote: ism_ek
      Of course, Yeltsin made a lot of mistakes, but at least he did something and didn’t wag his tongue

      What Yeltsin did was a crime, not a mistake. And he committed these crimes, and did not wag his tongue
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 3 October 2023 09: 24
        +4
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        What Yeltsin did was a crime, not a mistake. And he committed these crimes, and did not wag his tongue

        This is how we quietly approach Putin’s role in the glorification of Yeltsin:

        And we will understand why the red-haired beast was able to escape from the trial (which was hardly better and fairer than the trial of Serdyukov)...
    3. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 3 October 2023 08: 19
      +14
      Of course, Yeltsin made a lot of mistakes, but at least he did something, and didn’t wag his tongue like the deputies.
      There was no good way out of the situation into which Gorbachev drove the country.
      This “something” is still enough to clear up. All that was left was for the State Emergency Committee to arrest the EBN and reel the perestroika workers onto the tracks, as the wise Chinese did at Tiananmen. We would have remained a great country, and then we would not have bought everything from the Chinese, but, on the contrary, they would have bought everything from us.
      1. your1970
        your1970 3 October 2023 09: 15
        -1
        Quote: Aviator_
        . All that was left was for the State Emergency Committee to arrest the EBN and reel in the perestroikas on the tracks,

        It was already pointless to do anything to the State Emergency Committee. There was already a law on privatization and everyone understood that they could grab it.
        So the elite of the CPSU smelled the smell of crazy money.
        So the USSR was doomed to the State Emergency Committee...
        Quote: Aviator_
        reel the perestroikas onto the tracks, as the wise Chinese did at Tiananmen

        Only WEST(!!!!) a journalist who was there among the students in the square asserted that no one was crushing anyone with tanks and that “millions of victims on Tiananmen” were lies MASS MEDIA....
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 3 October 2023 08: 53
      +9
      Quote: ism_ek
      Yeltsin made a lot of mistakes, but at least he did something, and didn’t wag his tongue like the deputies.
      There was no good way out of the situation into which Gorbachev drove the country.

      Gorbachev was there until 1991. There was absolutely nothing in terms of a normal life. The chaos of the 90s began after. Under Yeltsin.

      If Gorbachev is simply a bad leader, then Yeltsin is a criminal and a traitor. Betrayed the CPSU. Participated in the Belovezhskaya conspiracy (dissolution of the USSR). It was Yeltsin who led the country to capitalism and then carried out predatory privatization. The elected parliament was shot from tanks by the people. Well, he gave him his successor.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 3 October 2023 09: 26
        +5
        Quote: Stas157
        Gorbachev was there until 1991. There was absolutely nothing in terms of a normal life.

        By 1991, the gold reserves had been reset, the debt had grown from $31 billion to $100 billion, and no one else would give anything without collateral. The state bank accounts were empty.

        If Gorbachev was given money for “acceleration” just like that, then Yeltsin was given money to pay off Gorbachev’s debts under specific conditions, in particular for privatization.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 3 October 2023 09: 43
          0
          Quote: ism_ek
          then Yeltsin was given money to pay off Gorbachev’s debts under specific conditions, in particular for privatization.

          The only question is, WHERE DID Gorbachev’s loans go?
          1. ism_ek
            ism_ek 3 October 2023 10: 06
            +2
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            The only question is, WHERE DID Gorbachev’s loans go?

            Perestroika is not only empty talk, it is also a huge injection into the economy. The huge budget deficit was covered by loans. How were they used? For example, a completely new engine plant was purchased at AZLK, which never started working, there was not enough time, windbags ruined the country. In 1998, all the machines were scrapped and there are thousands of such examples.
            Buran with Energy was also created with credit money.
            Import. Gorby built socialism with a human face. Salaries were increased approximately twice, but there were not enough goods. There was a shortage. Goods were purchased abroad for foreign currency on credit.
            The market for Western computers was opened. They were also bought with credit money. Yes, they were better, and over time they would have given a boost to our industry, but the windbags from the Armed Forces wanted everything at once...
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 3 October 2023 18: 25
              +3
              Buran with Energy was also created with credit money.
              Are you serious? the program was closed in 1988, after the first flight, and financing was opened in the mid-70s, what other loans?
      2. your1970
        your1970 3 October 2023 12: 25
        +5
        Quote: Stas157
        Gorbachev was there until 1991. There was absolutely nothing in terms of a normal life.

        This is when in 1990, intelligent men picked up cigarette butts on the street in Moscow, and a half-liter jar of cigarette butts cost 3 rubles?
        And the Pavlovsk reform existed under Gorbi - he created it
    5. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 19: 15
      +1
      Quote: ism_ek
      It was not Yeltsin who ruined the country, but empty talkers - the Gorbachevites.
      I was a first year student this year. He himself did not participate in the events, but there were friends in the newly built White House and in Ostankino. The victims the author writes about are complete nonsense.
      “Shock therapy” began on January 1, 1992, a year and a half before these events, and was a consequence of the bankruptcy of the USSR.
      Finally, it was recognized that the Gorbachevites squandered the money of citizens and enterprises stored in banks, they are gone, and everyone is starting to live from scratch. Most enterprises could not stand it and went bankrupt.
      Of course, Yeltsin made a lot of mistakes, but at least he did something, and didn’t wag his tongue like the deputies.
      There was no good way out of the situation into which Gorbachev drove the country.

      No one could touch the money in the accounts of the enterprises.
      They evaporated for another reason. Due to hyperinflation.
      We received money for the products, but in order to start production of the next batch, the raw materials, materials and components are already at a price tens of percent higher.
      That's how the money disappeared from the accounts. I was just working as a deputy at that time. head of the financial and sales department.
      But citizens’ money is in savings books, indeed.
      About Gorbachev is correct, but this does not exclude Yeltsin’s guilt.
    6. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 13
      0
      Most enterprises operated even in the mid-to-late 90s.
  7. Mixweb
    Mixweb 3 October 2023 06: 04
    -3
    Overall, an interesting article, but why drag in the Church in the person of the patriarch? Where is the logic? Was Alexy supposed to ride in an armored car, like Lenin, to raise the people?
    1. Cartographer
      Cartographer 3 October 2023 07: 33
      +4
      Quote: Mixweb
      Overall, an interesting article, but why drag in the Church in the person of the patriarch? Where is the logic? Was Alexy supposed to ride in an armored car, like Lenin, to raise the people?

      It didn’t matter to Alexy at all. His life didn’t change at all.
    2. Luminman
      Luminman 3 October 2023 07: 33
      +3
      Quote: Mixweb
      Was Alexy supposed to ride in an armored car, like Lenin, to raise the people?

      The patriarch’s weapon is not an armored car, but a word...
  8. north 2
    north 2 3 October 2023 06: 27
    +7
    Are you sure that if the Supreme Council under the leadership of Khasbulatov and Rutsky had won, then my already lost Motherland, the USSR, could have been saved?
    And another important question! Everyone has long recognized that the generals betrayed Nicholas II and, together with the then liberals, from politics to the State. The Duma destroyed the Empire. But what about the generals of the USSR Armed Forces, did they not betray my Motherland? After all, they carried out all the criminal orders of first Gorbachev, and then Yeltsin. The country and the army were killed for ten years, and the generals still obeyed discipline and unity of command? So Akhromeyev shot himself out of loneliness, surrounded by those who did not resist betrayal. By the way, if Rutskoi had shot himself after the defeat of the Armed Forces, then I would have accepted his “efforts” to save the USSR in a completely different way.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 3 October 2023 09: 33
      +4
      Quote: north 2
      But what about the generals of the USSR Armed Forces, did they not betray my Motherland? After all, they carried out all the criminal orders first of Gorbachev, and then of Yeltsin

      good
      And these generals also threatened particularly zealous officers with deprivation of shoulder straps and pensions...
    2. solar
      solar 4 October 2023 23: 14
      0
      Everyone has long recognized that the generals betrayed Nicholas II and, together with the then liberals, from politics to the State. The Duma destroyed the Empire.

      And Nicholas II’s dad also argued that Russia’s only allies are the army and navy.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 15
      0
      In my opinion, at that time there was no longer talk about restoring the USSR or abandoning market reforms. Supporters of the Armed Forces simply fought against the excessive strengthening of the power of the President and the executive branch of government in general.
  9. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 3 October 2023 06: 28
    -1
    Quote: Mixweb
    Why drag in the Church in the person of the Patriarch here? Where is the logic?

    And this is the logic of a modern Russian - everyone owes him something while he is lying on the couch...
  10. HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 3 October 2023 06: 34
    +12
    I wonder what interesting things Yeltsin’s great student VVP was doing at that time? I was going to serve in the army and looking at this scribe I thought maybe this army, but I still went) it was hard to serve then, the army was falling apart, sometimes there was nothing to eat, but almost all my peers served, although many died in Chechnya
  11. dummy
    dummy 3 October 2023 06: 36
    +4
    People who fight for power almost never work for other people's interests, only for their own. And those who stand for everything good do not fight for power, and therefore are not active in a crisis. Well, the fighters for power did not see any benefit in preserving the USSR.
  12. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 3 October 2023 06: 44
    +8
    Quote: _6
    if the Supreme Council had won, something would have changed. Is it just names and surnames?

    Exactly!
    Some of the participants in those events later became governors (or mayors?), while others disappeared from the political arena. No one noticed any special achievements.
    The people love fighters against power and endow them with fictitious qualities (one can recall the uprising of Pugachev or Stenka Razin). The same Yeltsin “surfaced to the top” thanks to criticism of Gorbachev.
    “Do not trust in princes and sons of men, for in them there is no salvation.”
  13. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 3 October 2023 06: 51
    +5
    Quote: north 2
    if the Supreme Council under the leadership of Khasbulatov and Rutskoy had won, then my already lost Motherland of the USSR could have been saved

    Not anymore, perhaps “resuscitation” would have helped the year in 1987...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 18
      0
      It was necessary, having realized that the Union could no longer be saved, to include as many territories with a Russian-speaking population as possible into the RSFSR.
  14. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 3 October 2023 06: 58
    +11
    What kind of popular uprising was this? The author, wake up, there people shared power, who should be at the feeding trough, no one thought about the people there at all, but only hid behind slogans about the people. Was it not Khasbulatov and his comrades who voted for the ratification of the agreement on the creation of the CIS? Although, According to the Constitution of the RSFSR in force at that time, only the Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR had such powers, since the issue concerned the state structure of the republic as part of the USSR.(C)
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 3 October 2023 07: 16
      -2
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      Author, wake up, people shared power there

      How is that? Rutskoi wanted to stand up instead of Yeltsin, and Yeltsin wanted to stand up instead of Rutskoi?? It seemed like everyone there was already in power.
      1. your1970
        your1970 3 October 2023 09: 19
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: Alexey 1970
        Author, wake up, people shared power there

        How is that? Rutskoi wanted to stand up instead of Yeltsin, and Yeltsin wanted to stand up instead of Rutskoi?? It seemed like everyone there was already in power.

        Power is different....Dimnatolic is also in power....it seems...
        So are these...
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 3 October 2023 09: 45
          +4
          Quote: your1970
          Power is different...

          If the parliament fought with Yeltsin using constitutional methods (impeachment), then Yeltsin and the parliament fought with anti-constitutional methods (shooting down the parliament). Among the two conflicting parties, Yeltsin is the real criminal here.
          1. Repellent
            Repellent 3 October 2023 09: 59
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            ... the parliament fought Yeltsin using constitutional methods...

            And the mayor’s office and Ostankino were probably stormed by the Anunakhs...
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 3 October 2023 10: 49
              +2
              Quote: Repellent
              And the mayor’s office and Ostankino were probably stormed by the Anunakhs...

              Demonstrators (like Trump and the storming of the Capitol). In any case, these were not military forces or tanks on criminal orders (as in the case of parliament). The difference is huge.
              1. Repellent
                Repellent 3 October 2023 14: 29
                -3
                Quote: Stas157
                Demonstrators (like Trump and the storming of the Capitol)

                Well, yes. Children are like in kindergarten. Only the machines are real (those who have not served will not understand) laughing

                Quote: Stas157
                and not tanks on criminal orders

                Sorry, there was no tank (c)

                But the doors were rammed with Urals, EMNIS. And Rutskoi’s order to “take Ostankino” was quite criminal Yes
    2. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 3 October 2023 09: 23
      +3
      What kind of popular uprising was this?
      “- But there was no earthquake! - But there are victims!” (c) It’s just that the people stood up in defense, but not the Armed Forces anymore, but justice.
  15. Stas157
    Stas157 3 October 2023 07: 09
    +5
    . Naturally, the anti-people regime of Yeltsin and reformers-optimizers took advantage full support of the collective West

    Not only the West. Putin and Medvedev laid flowers on Yeltsin and the Yeltsin Center was abandoned.
  16. ZhEK-Vodogrey
    ZhEK-Vodogrey 3 October 2023 07: 17
    +3
    The first fact of combat use of T-80U tanks took place during the October events in Moscow in 1993. On the morning of October 4, 1993, six T-80UD tanks of the 12th Guards Tank Regiment of the 4th Guards Kantemirovskaya Tank Division moved to the Kalinin Bridge opposite the White House, the building of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation. At about 12 noon the tanks opened fire.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 3 October 2023 09: 40
      +5
      Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
      On the morning of October 4, 1993, six T-80UD tanks of the 12th Guards Tank Regiment of the 4th Guards Kantemirovskaya Tank Division moved to the Kalinin Bridge opposite the White House, the building of the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation. At about 12 noon the tanks opened fire.

      they would have acted like this in August 91
  17. bober1982
    bober1982 3 October 2023 07: 19
    +14
    There was no popular uprising, the author greatly exaggerates, as well as no support in the army, literally at all.
    The overwhelming majority looked at the shooting of parliament with indifference.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 3 October 2023 08: 54
      +2
      The overwhelming majority looked at the shooting of parliament with indifference.
      Those. and you approve of the shooting of parliament. Do you not approve of the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly? No shooting.
    2. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 19: 23
      +3
      Quote: bober1982
      There was no popular uprising, the author greatly exaggerates, as well as no support in the army, literally at all.
      The overwhelming majority looked at the shooting of parliament with indifference.

      But I did not look indifferently and was very worried. And many too.
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 21
      0
      Not entirely indifferent, yet many considered it a disgrace that discredited our country in the face of the whole world.
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    1. your1970
      your1970 3 October 2023 09: 24
      -7
      Quote: Alt22
      This includes supplies of everything and everyone to the enemy,

      Quote: Alt22
      there is a deep-cover CIA agent,
      then this...Brezhnev L.I.??
      It was under him that they began MASS build gas and oil pipelines in НАТО including in Germany.
      And it was after him that the country began to fall on its side
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 3 October 2023 09: 39
        +5
        Quote: your1970
        And it was after him that the country began to fall on its side

        not under him, the whole beginning collapses because at the 20th Congress the foundation of the country was gouged, and without a foundation the walls will collapse
      2. victor50
        victor50 3 October 2023 11: 19
        +6
        Quote: your1970
        gas and oil pipelines to NATO

        And NATO members - such super-defenders of their system - sent machine tools to the USSR, and the United States supplied grain there with hostility. laughing The USSR is long gone, has grace arrived for you?! Or do you live only by hatred? Because one of the relatives stood in line for a long time to get a car?! lol
        1. your1970
          your1970 3 October 2023 13: 04
          -1
          Quote: victor50
          And NATO members - such super-defenders of their system - sent machine tools to the USSR, and the United States supplied grain there with hostility.

          They were ordered to sell their souls to the devil for money, and God himself ordered the USSR to sell them for a little gold.Capitalism - s...
          They also sold us jet engines for combat aircraft.
          But why did the USSR persecute?
          Quote: Alt22
          supplies of anything and everything to the enemy,
          this is not my statement.

          Quote: victor50
          Or do you live only by hatred?
          I hate double standards
          Quote: victor50
          Because one of the relatives stood in line for a long time to get a car?!

          Grandfather, war invalid, artillery spotter and heavy-killer.
          I waited 3 years preferential veteran line in the 1970s Moskvich - bought an orange VAZ-2102 (station wagon).
          “If you don’t want it, don’t take it....Wait another 3 years...”
          And a full holder of the Order of Glory lived in our barracks, which had been in disrepair since 1972(!!!). He died in it in the early 2000s
          About plowed a field in the Kursk region where there was a boundary made of the skulls of our soldiers - I wrote 100 times. Conscientious tractor drivers carried skulls from under the plow to the boundary, those who were not conscientious drove on. But both of them plowed. All the authorities knew that the Germans had gouged our unit in the field. And everything was purple - plan, bonus, report...

          Grandfather was given the Order of the Patriotic War in 1985
          And my neighbor, who spent the entire war in Samara in the commandant’s office and lost his little finger when he found out that he was going to war with Japan, was also given
          Grandfather never dressed his

          But every year the authorities beat themselves in the chest: “No one is forgotten, nothing is forgotten”...
          What about care and justice...
          1. solar
            solar 4 October 2023 23: 21
            0
            Grandfather was given the Order of the Patriotic War in 1985

            This is an anniversary event, not a combat one. It was given to everyone who served during the war. Even in appearance it is different, and the certificate for it also looks like a certificate for anniversary medals, and not like an order book for military orders. It was a bad idea to give a military order as a jubilee one.
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 25
            0
            What was bad about the VAZ station wagon? If you have a dacha, that's it. Although I was always surprised why in the 70s, without saturating the domestic market, the USSR exported a significant part of the passenger cars produced.
      3. kor1vet1974
        kor1vet1974 3 October 2023 11: 41
        +2
        And it was after him that the country began to fall on its side
        And now, she got up from her knees and straightened her shoulders, corrected all the shortcomings of the USSR, including its advantages. Although, there was nothing good in the USSR. A gloomy country. But now. smileJudging by your comment.
        1. your1970
          your1970 3 October 2023 13: 23
          -2
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          And it was after him that the country began to fall on its side
          And now, she got up from her knees and straightened her shoulders, corrected all the shortcomings of the USSR, including its advantages. Although, there was nothing good in the USSR. A gloomy country. But now. smileJudging by your comment.

          Judging by the comments of adherents of the USSR, the grass was green, there was no corruption and cronyism, the most respected was not a trader, people did not tear each other’s throats for shortages, the USSR did not drive resources - all the same as now!! - for export, the salaries of cleaners /nannies/postmen/ others were not 60 rubles, but 500 rubles, strictly only excellent students studied at the institutes, and the joke about “this is not a bribe, this is a gift, but a sheep to study at the institute” was invented by the CIA...
          It’s also about “and the marshal has his own granddaughter”...
          In my home village in the 1990s, when Ajolan was sentenced to death, the Kurds held rallies and 2 people doused themselves with gasoline and burned themselves. One was saved..
          As a sign of protest...
          Because of such self-immolators - there were many of them in the world at that time - Ajolan remained alive

          Of the 16 million communists for the USSR, there was not a single person who would do at least something the real to save the USSR.
          No one....
          But how we beat ourselves in the chest..." and as one we will die in the fight for it" - yeah yeah.....

          Z.y. Double standards piss me off.
          What difference does it make whether they were stolen by the oligarchs or “sent to Angola” - if the cleaning ladies were paid 60 rubles the same as the minimum wage now?
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 3 October 2023 14: 13
            +3
            Of the 16 million communists for the USSR, there was not a single person who would do at least something real to save the USSR.

            Maybe because a party member is not the same as a communist. Have you ever held the charter of the Communist Party in your hands? Just wondering. It is not necessary to go looking for it on the Internet now in order to say that they kept it.
            Z.y. Double standards piss me off.
            What difference does it make whether they were stolen by the oligarchs or “sent to Angola” - if the cleaning ladies were paid 60 rubles the same as the minimum wage now?

            If you make such comparisons, then you must be very angry with yourself.
            1. your1970
              your1970 3 October 2023 14: 44
              -1
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              Maybe because a party member is not the same as a communist.

              What difference does it make what is written in the Charter - if out of 16 million people there was not one decent person to gnaw Gorbachev’s throat out?
              I will repeat - only two were burned for Ajolan, not one for the USSR.
              The formula “there was no order” - so they also had no order “To be burned by lunch tomorrow”
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              If you make such comparisons, then you must be very angry with yourself.

              You didn’t answer the question - is there a difference for a cleaning lady who “wasted the polymers” - if she is a beggar under any government?
              1. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 3 October 2023 15: 17
                +3
                What difference does it make what is written in the Charter - if out of 16 million people there was not one decent person to gnaw Gorbachev’s throat out?

                I can’t understand what you are trying to present this manipulation as evidence of.
                You didn’t answer the question - is there a difference for a cleaning lady who “wasted the polymers” - if she is a beggar under any government?

                Again, a stupid manipulation similar to Carlson’s question from Miss Bok - “Have you already stopped drinking cognac in the morning?” Explain why such questions are manipulative or do you know this yourself?
                PS
                the grass was green, there was no corruption and cronyism

                How did your mother, the head of the SES, deal with this? And for some reason those who exhibited these vices like to “expose” the vices of the USSR.
                1. Foul skeptic
                  Foul skeptic 3 October 2023 16: 06
                  +1
                  head of the SES

                  Sorry, I’ll correct myself, head of the SES laboratory.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 3 October 2023 19: 35
                    -1
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    head of the SES

                    Sorry, I’ll correct myself, head of the SES laboratory.

                    Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                    How did your mother, the head of the SES, deal with this? And for some reason those who exhibited these vices like to “expose” the vices of the USSR.

                    You remember correctly, which means you also remember that the dentist was given 4 drills at the Central District Hospital for a week. And the thieves - including me - were drilled first. And the rest were used.
                    А private dentists bought burs without restrictions on своих people in the regional health care. A seal from a private owner in Saratov cost from 10 rubles ...
                    In 1988, on Ugreshka in Moscow, a hairdresser charged zero for a haircut - 1 ruble.
                    Sheared up to 300 people a day.
                    Calculate for yourself how much money he shoved into the military commissar’s pocket if 200 × 30 = 6 per month × 000 months of conscription = 4 per year in the USSR belay
                    1. Foul skeptic
                      Foul skeptic 4 October 2023 09: 46
                      0
                      And thieves - including me

                      You are spontaneity itself.
                      For some reason, those who exhibited these vices like to “expose” the vices of the USSR.
              2. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 30
                0
                Some modern cleaners, in terms of modern money, earn much more than in Soviet times. It all depends on where they work as cleaners and in how many organizations.
      4. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 19: 34
        +1
        Quote: your1970
        Quote: Alt22
        This includes supplies of everything and everyone to the enemy,

        Quote: Alt22
        there is a deep-cover CIA agent,
        then this...Brezhnev L.I.??
        It was under him that they began MASS build gas and oil pipelines in НАТО including in Germany.
        And it was after him that the country began to fall on its side

        On the side? With economic growth of 4-5% per year?
        What is an unattainable dream for the “firmly standing” Russian Federation?
        Probably when Russia reaches such growth, it will begin to “fall on its side.”
        I'm waiting for this moment with fear.
        Or maybe 1,5-2% will be enough so that God forbid you don’t fail.
        No, dear, even in 85, when Gorbachev came to power, all the problems were solvable and not at all catastrophic for the country.
        Well, how this miracle with a mark began to solve these problems is well known.
        1. your1970
          your1970 3 October 2023 22: 25
          -1
          Quote: Ulan.1812
          No, dear, even in 85, when Gorbachev came to power, all the problems were solvable and not at all catastrophic for the country.
          Well, how this miracle with a mark began to solve these problems is well known.

          Yeah....only the trouble, despite the growth of the USSR economy, died.
          This means that the problems could not be solved. Because if the system depends on the quality of the leader, it is not viable
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 4 October 2023 10: 05
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: Ulan.1812
            No, dear, even in 85, when Gorbachev came to power, all the problems were solvable and not at all catastrophic for the country.
            Well, how this miracle with a mark began to solve these problems is well known.

            Yeah....only the trouble, despite the growth of the USSR economy, died.
            This means that the problems could not be solved. Because if the system depends on the quality of the leader, it is not viable

            I don’t know who Trouble is and when and why he died.
            If you please, express yourself in Russian.
    2. Cartographer
      Cartographer 3 October 2023 11: 10
      -3
      Quote: Alt22
      Yes, it was a pure coup d'etat, as a result of which the American protege, Yeltsin, seized power.

      So he was the president anyway.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 34
        0
        Under the version of the Constitution under which he was elected in 1992, his powers were much less than under the 1993 Constitution. In September-October 1993, he undoubtedly exceeded his authority. And after the adoption of the new Constitution, it was necessary to immediately hold new presidential elections, and not wait until 1996.
  19. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 3 October 2023 07: 50
    0
    I have a question for commentators and authors of articles who like to write about the “ears” of foreign intelligence services that stuck out behind popular uprisings and revolutions in Russia. And whose intelligence “ears” stuck out behind the actions of the Armed Forces in October 1993? laughing laughing laughing Tell me.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 3 October 2023 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      I have a question for commentators and authors of articles who like to write about the “ears” of foreign intelligence services that stuck out behind popular uprisings and revolutions in Russia. And whose intelligence “ears” stuck out behind the actions of the Armed Forces in October 1993? laughing laughing laughing Tell me.

      A very naive question, because by October 1993, American intelligence officers felt very at ease in Russia, they were respected people.
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      And whose intelligence “ears” stuck behind the actions of the Armed Forces in October 1993?

      It was also very, very naive, the army was completely demoralized, there was chaos, many months of non-payment of salaries, the Supreme Council was shot - the so-called volunteers, for money.
      1. kor1vet1974
        kor1vet1974 3 October 2023 11: 31
        +1
        Those. Do you think this time there was no reconnaissance? laughing And in other cases, is it solely the work of foreign intelligence services? laughing The explanation that in other cases the work of foreign intelligence services does not sound naive? Is it solely their merit? Everything was fine and then the intelligence services intervened? laughingAnd in this case, you see, there is chaos, non-payment, the army is demoralized laughing
      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 35
        0
        In my opinion, in 1993 there were no delays in payments, and the vast majority of enterprises operated until the mid-to-late 90s.
  20. Reader_lover
    Reader_lover 3 October 2023 08: 17
    +9
    I remember that time. The days were fine... Our friend was working in a tent near the Ukraine Hotel. In the evening we came to him. A bunch of people hung out on the embankment and watched the White House burn. There were plastic tables and chairs near the tents. Having settled comfortably in them, onlookers watched the glow and rare shooting, alternating between alcohol and snacks. In the middle of the blocked off Kutuzovsky there was a minibus of some Western television company with a huge satellite dish and a correspondent was broadcasting something against the backdrop of a burning building. Suddenly an infantry fighting vehicle drove out and fired tracers several times at the White House. Maybe the journalists asked for effect. Our friend told me that he had already run to the Kievsky railway station a couple of times for vodka, brought several boxes, it flew away like hot cakes at double the price. Soldiers in armored armor and with machine guns wandered around the neighborhood, no one paid attention to them. There was an atmosphere of some kind of incomprehensible euphoria, curiosity, and, in general, all sorts of things, except protests and the desire to defend the Supreme Council.
    Several guys from our dorm went to the White House itself, but also more out of curiosity, plus there were a lot of commercial stores down there. So, they were climbing there, raking something, and then an armored personnel carrier drove up, pointed a machine gun at them, soldiers jumped out and took everyone out of the store. They took us to buses with riot police. And one of them put on a helmet, picked it up somewhere, they immediately separated him and went the other way... They don’t know what happened to him then, he ran into them in the store. They themselves were interrogated on the bus with riot police, they found out who they were, they gave them a good beating, they gave them a kick and they sent them to all four directions.
    My uncle, a policeman, said that these days the authorities merged, they themselves drove several crews armed with machine guns to their area in Vladykino and organized duty there. Ostankino is nearby. They were afraid that something strange might happen, but they mostly had families of policemen living there.
    Classes were canceled at the institute on October 3-4, everyone told each other various rumors, and then everything returned to normal. This is how I remember those events.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 3 October 2023 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: Reader
      Our friend told me that he had already run to the Kievsky railway station a couple of times for vodka,

      In many sources depicting the events of this time, and in the words of eyewitnesses, the phrase slipped through:
      “Vodka appeared from somewhere...”
      1. Reader_lover
        Reader_lover 3 October 2023 10: 20
        +6
        These few days greatly enriched the local merchants. Rowed, everything that was burning. Not far away was the Kyiv railway station with a wholesale market. They bought it, stupidly put two ends together, and that’s how they received the initial capital. In general, I was struck by the surrealism of the situation. There is shooting, people are dying. And literally, ordinary life continues nearby. People are rushing to work, shops are open, buses and trolleybuses are running... Several metro stations have just been closed, and so is the traffic in that area.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 3 October 2023 19: 57
          +1
          Quote: Reader
          These few days greatly enriched the local merchants

          I remember the evening of that memorable day, I went into a small store, of which there were only a dozen at that time, and the conversation of the employees there, who looked like ordinary former Soviet people... well, how is it...? ours won.... and laughter..... turning into cackling.
    2. Richard
      Richard 3 October 2023 17: 38
      +4
      I remember that time. The days were fine... Our friend was working in a tent near the Ukraine Hotel. In the evening we came to him. A bunch of people hung out on the embankment and watched the White House burn.
      There were plastic tables and chairs near the tents. Having settled comfortably in them, onlookers watched the glow and rare shooting

      And my wife and I were just returning from vacation at that time and didn’t know anything. At Domodedovo airport, warrant officer PV invited me to see the shift supervisor. He checked the documents and said, “Moscow is not calm now, there is shooting, there are rumors that our soldiers and the army are being attacked. Do you have anything to change into?” I replied that the only civilian clothes I had with me were sweatpants and a T-shirt. The major brought some kind of old, tattered demi-season raincoat and cap and advised me from his intercom to contact my software so that upon arrival the border guards would meet us right at the airfield. We were escorted to boarding along with the crew. We flew home, and there was silence - no one knew what was happening in Moscow. And rumors began to spread only after the evening television broadcasts. My wife later recalled this episode and said with a laugh - in that stupid long-length raincoat and sweatpants, you looked like a movie maniac. smile This is how I personally remember those events: confusion, confusion and a complete lack of real information, especially outside Moscow.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 39
        0
        Have you really not watched TV, listened to the radio, or read newspapers? After all, the conflict began in the early 20s, and the events of October 3-4 were their culmination.
  21. steelmaker
    steelmaker 3 October 2023 08: 28
    +9
    "How Yeltsin suppressed the popular uprising"
    Not a popular uprising, but a coup d'etat!!
    The KGB, the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs did not defend the state! They broke their oath. Gorbachev installed traitors in all leading positions, and the party calmly watched this. On the sly, the basis for the coup was prepared. And nothing depended on ordinary people anymore.
    "Everything is according to plan: They are trying to erase Rus'-Russia from history."
    Because in all leadership positions there are traitors to Russia. And nothing can be changed democratically. Panfilova will always have 70%!
    “Russia has become a semi-colony, a pipe of the West and partly of the East. The total plunder of the country and the rapid extinction of the Russian superethnos begin.”
    1. your1970
      your1970 3 October 2023 09: 41
      -7
      Quote: steel maker
      Russia has become a semi-colony, a pipe of the West and partly of the East.

      Are you talking about the USSR in 1972 - when gas pipelines were built in NATO???
      And yes, out of 11 small villages, 7 of us died out under the USSR in the mid-1970s...
      1. Cartographer
        Cartographer 3 October 2023 11: 17
        +7
        Quote: your1970
        Quote: steel maker
        Russia has become a semi-colony, a pipe of the West and partly of the East.

        Are you talking about the USSR in 1972 - when gas pipelines were built in NATO???
        And yes, out of 11 small villages, 7 of us died out under the USSR in the mid-1970s...

        It is very bold to talk about the USSR as a colony of the West. Industry was owned by the state, as were raw materials.
        1. your1970
          your1970 3 October 2023 13: 40
          -1
          Quote from Kartograph
          Quote: your1970
          Quote: steel maker
          Russia has become a semi-colony, a pipe of the West and partly of the East.

          Are you talking about the USSR in 1972 - when gas pipelines were built in NATO???
          And yes, out of 11 small villages, 7 of us died out under the USSR in the mid-1970s...

          It is very bold to talk about the USSR as a colony of the West. Industry was owned by the state, as were raw materials.

          Once again slowly- All(!!!) raw materials began to be exported en masse under the USSR.
          According penny...
          Not yesterday, not under Yeltsin or the GMSG - under Khrushchev!!!
          Quote from Kartograph
          Industry was owned by the state, as were raw materials.
          and then pride immediately takes over - not private raw materials were exported for pennies, state...
          Quote from Kartograph
          It is very bold to talk about the USSR as a colony of the West.
          raw materials for pennies, they were leaving the USSR, there were no technologies for their own industry in group B, and in A, too, everything was tense ..
          They were able to get into Yaderka, but they didn’t get into high chemistry at all...
          ALL The country's leadership sold it inexpensively in 1991 to the USA

          And yes, it’s almost not a colony, the signs of a colony really match up to the sign....
          1. Cartographer
            Cartographer 3 October 2023 14: 10
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            Quote from Kartograph
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: steel maker
            Russia has become a semi-colony, a pipe of the West and partly of the East.

            Are you talking about the USSR in 1972 - when gas pipelines were built in NATO???
            And yes, out of 11 small villages, 7 of us died out under the USSR in the mid-1970s...

            It is very bold to talk about the USSR as a colony of the West. Industry was owned by the state, as were raw materials.

            Once again slowly- All(!!!) raw materials began to be exported en masse under the USSR.
            According penny...
            Not yesterday, not under Yeltsin or the GMSG - under Khrushchev!!!
            Quote from Kartograph
            Industry was owned by the state, as were raw materials.
            and then pride immediately takes over - not private raw materials were exported for pennies, state...
            Quote from Kartograph
            It is very bold to talk about the USSR as a colony of the West.
            raw materials for pennies, they were leaving the USSR, there were no technologies for their own industry in group B, and in A, too, everything was tense ..
            They were able to get into Yaderka, but they didn’t get into high chemistry at all...
            ALL The country's leadership sold it inexpensively in 1991 to the USA

            And yes, it’s almost not a colony, the signs of a colony really match up to the sign....

            Why sit on these raw materials and shed tears? Does Norway also sell oil and gas, is it also a raw materials colony? And the USA, horror of horrors, sells liquefied gas. Sold at a low price. The price is dictated by the market, not the seller’s wishes. The price of oil in 70x-10 dollars. The USSR couldn’t do something, but it could do something, but everyone took it into account. And what can Putin’s Russia do?
            1. your1970
              your1970 3 October 2023 15: 09
              -3
              Quote from Kartograph
              What can Putin’s Russia do?

              Quote from Kartograph
              sit on this raw material and shed tears?

              That is, the USSR is possible - but the Russian Federation is no-no?
              Quote from Kartograph
              Why sit on these raw materials and shed tears? Norway also sells oil and gas, is it also a raw materials colony? And the USA, oh horror, sells liquefied gas.

              Of Your his(!!!) post it follows that the Russian Federation, like the USSR, is the fact of the sale of raw materials NOT makes it a colony.
              This is YOUR the answer to the squealing opponent about the “semi-colony” is not mine....
              Quote from Kartograph
              The USSR couldn’t do some things, but it could do some things, but everyone took it into account.
              who considered the USSR?
              Under Stalin, the Sukhaya River was bombed.
              Under Khrushchev, they flew over the USSR and placed missiles in Turkey. They took them out from there only after us.
              Under Brezhnev they regularly flew into airspace
              They swam into our waters in the Black Sea. The local military fleet, Tralflot, took part in this squeezing out in bulk.
              The United States did whatever it wanted in the world - just like now, without fearing absolutely anyone.
              Communist China killed the border guards of the communist USSR. A little later, communist (!!!!) China supplied weapons to the spirits (!!!) for US dollars (!!!).
              Czechoslovakia 10 years for free received a certain quota of petroleum products - just like that. Well, they wanted it that way.....
              About the SFRY and Albania - they simply sent their “big brother” into the distance, remember?
              1. Cartographer
                Cartographer 3 October 2023 17: 38
                +1
                Quote: your1970
                Quote from Kartograph
                What can Putin’s Russia do?

                Quote from Kartograph
                sit on this raw material and shed tears?

                That is, the USSR is possible - but the Russian Federation is no-no?
                Quote from Kartograph
                Why sit on these raw materials and shed tears? Norway also sells oil and gas, is it also a raw materials colony? And the USA, oh horror, sells liquefied gas.

                Of Your his(!!!) post it follows that the Russian Federation, like the USSR, is the fact of the sale of raw materials NOT makes it a colony.
                This is YOUR the answer to the squealing opponent about the “semi-colony” is not mine....
                Quote from Kartograph
                The USSR couldn’t do some things, but it could do some things, but everyone took it into account.
                who considered the USSR?
                Under Stalin, the Sukhaya River was bombed.
                Under Khrushchev, they flew over the USSR and placed missiles in Turkey. They took them out from there only after us.

                Under Brezhnev they regularly flew into airspace
                They swam into our waters in the Black Sea. The local military fleet, Tralflot, took part in this squeezing out in bulk.
                The United States did whatever it wanted in the world - just like now, without fearing absolutely anyone.
                Communist China killed the border guards of the communist USSR. A little later, communist (!!!!) China supplied weapons to the spirits (!!!) for US dollars (!!!).
                Czechoslovakia 10 years for free received a certain quota of petroleum products - just like that. Well, they wanted it that way.....
                About the SFRY and Albania - they simply sent their “big brother” into the distance, remember?

                Slow down a little.
                The USSR constantly maintained a fleet in the Mediterranean Sea.
                The USSR protected Egypt during the Suez crisis.
                The USSR defended Cuba from American aggression
                Defended the independence of Vietnam and North Korea
                Yes, the planes flew, but they were regularly shot down:
                (green ✓ April 8, 1950 - PB4Y-2 Privatir bomber (registration number 59645, 26th Patrol Squadron of the US Navy) was shot down by Soviet La-11 fighters (pilots - Boris Dokin, Anatoly Gerasimov, Tezaev and Sataev) over Baltic Sea in the Liepaja region
                ❌ October 8, 1950 - during the Korean War, two F-80 Shooting Star fighter-bombers (US Air Force) deviated from course during a combat mission against ground targets in the DPRK, invaded USSR airspace and attacked the Sukhaya Rechka airfield. in the Vladivostok region. As a result of the raid on the ground, 8 P-63 King Cobra aircraft of the USSR Air Force were damaged, one of which was subsequently written off; there were no casualties or injuries. The United States apologized in connection with the incident; the commander of the air group whose planes carried out the raid was removed from command and transferred to headquarters; pilots were court-martialed
                green ✓ December 26, 1950 - an RB-29 reconnaissance aircraft (US Air Force) in the area of ​​​​Cape Seysyura (Primorsky Territory) was shot down by two MiG-15s of the 523rd Fighter Aviation Regiment
                green ✓ November 6, 1951 - patrol aircraft P2V-3W "Neptune" (registration number 124284, 6th Patrol Squadron of the US Navy), performing a reconnaissance flight from Atsugi Air Base, Japan, was shot down by MiG-15 fighters (pilots - Lukashev, Shchukin; 88th GIAP of the Pacific Fleet) over Peter the Great Bay in the Vladivostok area. All 10 crew members died
                green ✓ June 13, 1952 - RB-29 Superfortress reconnaissance aircraft (registration number 44-61810, 91st Strategic Reconnaissance Squadron of the US Air Force), taking off from Yokota Air Base, Japan, was shot down by Soviet MiG-15 fighters (pilots - Fedotov , Proskurin, Air Force of the 5th Navy) over the Sea of ​​Japan and fell in the territorial waters of the USSR near Cape Ovsyankin
                green ✓ June 13, 1952 - a reconnaissance aircraft DC-3A-360 "Skytrain" of the Swedish Air Force (serial number 42-5694) [8], which was equipped with American-made reconnaissance equipment, made a reconnaissance flight in the area of ​​​​the ports of Ventspils and Liepaja, was shot down over the Baltic Sea 65 km east of the island of Gotska Sanden by a Soviet MiG-15 fighter (pilot - Grigory Osinsky), all 8 crew members of the DC-3 were killed [9].
                green ✓ October 7, 1952 - reconnaissance aircraft RB-29 "Superfortress" (registration number 44-61815, 91st Strategic Reconnaissance Squadron of the US Air Force) was shot down over the southern islands of the Kuril ridge by Soviet La-11 fighters (pilots - Zhiryakov, Lesnov, 369 IAP) and fell in the territorial waters of the USSR 3 km from Yuri Island. All 8 crew members of the plane died
                green ✓ July 29, 1953 - RB-50G Superfortress reconnaissance aircraft (343rd Strategic Reconnaissance Squadron of the US Air Force), taking off from Yokota Air Base, Japan, was shot down by Soviet MiG-17 fighters
                green ✓ September 2, 1958 - C-130A-II Hercules reconnaissance aircraft (registration number 56-0528, 7406th Combat Support Squadron of the US Air Force), taking off from Adana airfield, Turkey, was shot down by Soviet MiG-17 fighters
                and so on
                In addition, the USSR itself produced cars and airplanes, unlike Putin’s Russia, which assembles outdated Chinese Moskvich with a non-galvanized body
                1. your1970
                  your1970 3 October 2023 20: 27
                  -2
                  Quote from Kartograph
                  The USSR constantly maintained a fleet in the Mediterranean Sea.
                  The USSR protected Egypt during the Suez crisis.

                  And what? What are the consequences? They put Israel in a pose? Oh, Israel put Egypt....
                  That's right - no REAL consequences....
                  Quote from Kartograph
                  but their regularly shot down:
                  - my mother’s neighbor 30 years ago got drunk as a squirrel, ran along the street with a stopper near the house and shouted “I’ll kill you!!!!”
                  Until now, as it gets dark, people don’t walk past his house. They prefer to go around...
                  Just in case....
                  You never know...
                  If NATO planes were shot down REGULARLY - this means only one thing - no one in NATO USSR seriously didn't perceive it.
                  Another example is the DPRK.
                  As soon as they raised an eyebrow, the US fleet turned around and went back.
                  Just in case...
                  You never know...
                  Quote from Kartograph
                  The USSR produced cars itself
                  this isn't even funny...
                  40 (!!!!) years in Fiat 124 called VAZ 2105/07 heater valve
                  At the same time, the cost was 970 rubles - this is probably communistic - selling a product at 6 times more expensive and creating a wild queue for it
                  They started with the Americans, moved to the Germans, then to the Italians
                  On the Mormon there was a place for a power steering with fasteners, not only that, it was exported with it, but within the country the power steering was pampering
                  “Let the drivers master a special grip on the steering wheel or knock out their thumb” - this is our way, the Soviet way... .

                  I agree with the planes - sad
                  While pumping billions into the defense industry and keeping Group B industry on a starvation diet, we at least learned to do the defense industry well.....
                  1. Cartographer
                    Cartographer 4 October 2023 07: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: your1970
                    Quote from Kartograph
                    The USSR constantly maintained a fleet in the Mediterranean Sea.
                    The USSR protected Egypt during the Suez crisis.

                    And what? What are the consequences? They put Israel in a pose? Oh, Israel put Egypt....
                    That's right - no REAL consequences....
                    Quote from Kartograph
                    but their regularly shot down:
                    - my mother’s neighbor 30 years ago got drunk as a squirrel, ran along the street with a stopper near the house and shouted “I’ll kill you!!!!”
                    Until now, as it gets dark, people don’t walk past his house. They prefer to go around...
                    Just in case....
                    You never know...
                    If NATO planes were shot down REGULARLY - this means only one thing - no one in NATO USSR seriously didn't perceive it.
                    Another example is the DPRK.
                    As soon as they raised an eyebrow, the US fleet turned around and went back.
                    Just in case...
                    You never know...
                    Quote from Kartograph
                    The USSR produced cars itself
                    this isn't even funny...
                    40 (!!!!) years in Fiat 124 called VAZ 2105/07 heater valve
                    At the same time, the cost was 970 rubles - this is probably communistic - selling a product at 6 times more expensive and creating a wild queue for it
                    They started with the Americans, moved to the Germans, then to the Italians
                    On the Mormon there was a place for a power steering with fasteners, not only that, it was exported with it, but within the country the power steering was pampering
                    “Let the drivers master a special grip on the steering wheel or knock out their thumb” - this is our way, the Soviet way... .

                    I agree with the planes - sad
                    While pumping billions into the defense industry and keeping Group B industry on a starvation diet, we at least learned to do the defense industry well.....

                    I would gladly buy a 2103 at a price of 500 thousand instead of Chinese crap. Because I drove it. The car was 10 years old, and not a drop of rust. And no power steering was needed. And most importantly, there was nothing to break, except for changing the light bulbs and yes circuit breakers.
                    Planes were shot down somewhere until the early 70s, then flights came to a standstill. Egypt was helped by the fact that they were actually preparing to land troops, the British and French had to stop the occupation. Well, then it’s up to Egypt itself, to fight to the last or live peacefully. All sorts of Finland and Sweden didn’t even think about joining NATO. But Sweden spent years catching Soviet submarines in its territorial waters. And most importantly, no one even mentioned the confiscation of assets, because it was fraught, the submarines accidentally surfaced off the coast of America
                    1. Ulan.1812
                      Ulan.1812 4 October 2023 10: 14
                      0
                      In my opinion, you are wasting your time on him. His attitude towards the USSR fits perfectly into the liberal paradigm - Mordor where everything was bad, unhappy, downtrodden people, etc.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 4 October 2023 12: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: Ulan.1812
                        In my opinion, you are wasting your time on him. His attitude towards the USSR fits perfectly into the liberal paradigm - Mordor where everything was bad, unhappy, downtrodden people, etc.

                        Yeah..."I see the fence - but I don’t understand what is written on it" - this is about you...

                        Double standards piss me off

                        The Russian Federation is driving resources over the hill - “a pipe country, a colony, everything for NATO, etc.”
                        The USSR is driving resources over the hill - “everything is great”
                        The fact that both were driven through the same pipes to the same Germany to the same NATO - “Not counting”...
                        So that you understand
                        - 62% of the budget comes from the Federal Customs Service, the bulk of which comes from export duties
                        - 18% is given by the Federal Tax Service.
                        That is practically half budget at least this is Gazprom- (duties + taxes)
                        And everything that was on the budget under the USSR is also on the budget in the Russian Federation - doctors, military personnel, pensioners, teachers, science, space, etc.
                        И joke The situation is that almost everything bad now can be found absolutely complete analog then.
                        It’s just that now you can find any information, but then, due to limited sources (2 TV channels + 10 newspapers), it was not an eyesore.
                        It was enough to take them aside and that’s all - the skull is no longer visible on the boundary and the veteran does not live in the barracks that have been in disrepair since 1972...
                        And that’s also why then “life was fun, problem-free and happy!!”
                        And now there is an overabundance of negative information and people are accustomed to the fact that everything is bad, and if it’s good, it means “the authorities are lying”
                      2. Cartographer
                        Cartographer 4 October 2023 16: 28
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        The Russian Federation is driving resources over the hill - “a pipe country, a colony, everything for NATO, etc.”
                        The USSR is driving resources over the hill - “everything is great”

                        Again.
                        The USSR supplied resources, but was a self-sufficient country in terms of production.
                        At least he produced the bearings himself and much more. And who the hell could fire missiles at his territory
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 4 October 2023 12: 15
                      -1
                      Quote from Kartograph
                      I would gladly buy a 2103 at a price of 500 thousand instead of Chinese crap. Because I drove it. The car was 10 years old, and not a drop of rust.

                      The 05 rotted to the point of holes in the floor/wings, cracks appeared in the front roof pillars - this Soviet 1986 for 10 years.
                      Made in the 2000s rot after 5 years
                      Quote from Kartograph
                      the main thing is that there was nothing to break,
                      - as well as silent blocks, carburetor and so on
                      Quote from Kartograph
                      Planes were shot down somewhere before the early 70s, then flights came to a standstill.
                      flights came to naught not because they were afraid of the USSR, but because satellites began to solve all reconnaissance tasks.
                      Quote from Kartograph
                      .And most importantly, no one even mentioned the confiscation of assets, because it was fraught, the submarines accidentally surfaced off the coast of America
                      Naturally, you cannot confiscate something that is not there. But embassy real estate in the USA was squeezed out in the 1970s - there was such an incident...
                      1. Cartographer
                        Cartographer 4 October 2023 15: 55
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        but because satellites began to solve all reconnaissance tasks.

                        Tell that to South Korean Boeing
                        or
                        green ✓ July 18, 1981 - the Soviet Su-15TM interceptor (pilot - Valentin Kulyapin) rammed a CL-44 transport aircraft (number LV-JTN, Transportes Aereo Rioplatense, Argentina), which was making a secret transport flight on the route Tel Aviv - Tehran and unintentionally intruded into Soviet airspace over Armenia. All 4 crew members of the CL-44 were killed, including a British national
                        or
                        ❌ August 24, 1976 - a pair of F-100 Super Saber fighter-bombers (Turkish Air Force) invaded Soviet airspace. One of them was shot down by a Soviet anti-aircraft missile system; the pilot ejected and landed in Turkey.
                  2. Cartographer
                    Cartographer 4 October 2023 16: 33
                    0
                    Quote: your1970
                    40 (!!!!) years in Fiat 124 called VAZ 2105/07 heater valve

                    Believe it or not, nothing was leaking.
                    And Fiat 124 is not 2105. VAZ then had its own design bureau and all models after kopecks were already of their own design, including design
                    1. solar
                      solar 5 October 2023 00: 11
                      -2
                      .At that time VAZ had its own design bureau and all models after kopecks were already of their own design, including design

                      Does the Fiat 124 Special remind you of anything?

                      What do you think of the Fiat 124 Familiare?

                      But this is one of the versions of the Fiat 124 (it had different versions) for the Spanish market, produced under the name SEAT 124 D.
              2. Cartographer
                Cartographer 3 October 2023 19: 55
                0
                Quote: your1970
                From your (!!!) post it follows that the Russian Federation, like the USSR, does not make the fact of selling raw materials a colony

                Just for fun, you should study the definition of “Colony”:
                Colony (from Latin colōnia - “land” (given out on lease) [1]) is a dependent territory under the authority of a foreign state (metropolis), without independent political and economic power, governed on the basis of a special regime. Often, the colonial regime does not provide citizens with rights comparable to the rights of citizens of the metropolis.
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      2. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 42
        0
        In the 60-70s, the number of small settlements that were considered “unpromising” was planned to be reduced. This is a natural process, and it continues today. In Belarus, for example, funds are primarily allocated to the development of agricultural towns, rather than small villages.
  22. turembo
    turembo 3 October 2023 08: 46
    +8
    The worst thing is that of all the characters, it seems to me that no one needed the union anymore. And it’s strange to write about the fact that there was no second Suvoroy and Zhukov. It seems to me that at that time there was no one left loyal to the ideology of communism, otherwise they would have seen a different picture. And now, no matter what face you look at on the screen, all the former members of the CPSU are not in ordinary roles, and as soon as the opportunity arose to change the feeder to a larger one, they immediately rushed... And you say ideological... Ordinary people can... The top leadership ended with Comrade Stalin, after him the ideals rather went to hell. Well, this is just my opinion..
    1. glock-17
      glock-17 3 October 2023 09: 07
      +6
      The image of Polipov in the film Eternal Call very well shows who was in the CPSU at the time of the collapse of the USSR.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 47
      0
      Khrushchev, for all his quirks, was still an ideological communist and sincerely believed in the advantages of socialism over capitalism.
  23. AB
    AB 3 October 2023 09: 07
    +12
    Everything is according to plan: they are trying to erase Rus'-Russia from history.

    Are they trying? Personally, in my opinion, everything is going according to their plan. Systematic extermination. Outside there is a hot conflict with Ukraine with the West behind us. There are many unresolved and aggravated problems inside, such as the impoverishment of the population and the import of emigrants, and more. Moreover, it is quite possible that the people at the top consciously agree to all this, fulfilling the plan. Let us remember Chubais, who promised that Russia would make its contribution to reducing the planet’s population. It seems that he was speaking not only on his own behalf, and did not even voice the opinion of the West...
  24. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 3 October 2023 09: 25
    +7
    Author, when denouncing EBN, don’t stop at half measures. Here's a photo for you to continue. Yes

  25. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 3 October 2023 09: 26
    +10
    Dear Mr. Samsonov! There is no need to write nonsense - Khasbulatov and his company are the same leaders of the popular uprising, restorers of the USSR and defenders of citizens' rights, like a bullet made of soft substance. Then there was banal competition for the right to dispose of state property and “steer” privatization. Billions were at stake, and everything else was just rhetoric to attract supporters.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 3 October 2023 10: 16
      +6
      Shooting the parliament in a democratic state is a sacred thing, but the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly under the Bolsheviks is a crime? laughing
      1. your1970
        your1970 3 October 2023 20: 34
        -1
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        Shooting the parliament in a democratic state is a sacred thing, but the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly under the Bolsheviks is a crime? laughing

        What are you - this is different.....
  26. Jyt
    Jyt 3 October 2023 09: 29
    +3
    Yeltsin did not suppress, he committed a crime without a statute of limitations, a violent change of the constitutional system! At that time, he was no longer president; the decision of the constitutional court on September 26, 1993 was dismissed from presidential powers. So write as it was, and do not carry misinformation.
  27. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 3 October 2023 09: 29
    +10
    We have no luck with decisive, honest leaders:
    - State Emergency Committee - were unable to reason with the bastards with decisive actions;
    - Rutskoi and Khasbulatov are cowardly provocateurs;
    - now oligarchs dividing their sphere of influence
  28. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 3 October 2023 09: 36
    +4
    Black house. How Yeltsin crushed the popular uprising
    he did what the army and the KGB did not do in 91
  29. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 3 October 2023 10: 15
    +1
    Foreign agent Karaulov has a series of books “Russian Hell” (5 books published in different years). There he cites many extracts from various orders, decrees, telegrams, transcripts and other documents, eyewitness accounts relating to events in the history of the USSR and the Russian Federation. There is a lot there about the events that are described in the article. Unfortunately, most of us have no idea how everything really happened. And even worse, they don’t want to understand, it’s easier for them to live... hi
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 3 October 2023 11: 35
      +2
      And even worse, they don’t want to understand, it’s easier for them to live this way
      Kanesh, it’s simpler, why bother, he blamed everything on foreign intelligence services and that’s it. laughing hi
  30. Sofievka
    Sofievka 3 October 2023 10: 30
    +2
    It’s as if it all happened yesterday, Mom and her friend went to Zvezdny to trade, on the 3rd in the morning there was news, there was shooting in Moscow, I had to go to work, the cow was not yet milked, I was at odds with my wife, but most importantly Mom, I personally didn’t understand anything from everything happened, 1959 itself, I’m still breathing, we’ll live
  31. Fangaro
    Fangaro 3 October 2023 10: 37
    +10
    Black house. How Yeltsin crushed the popular uprising

    Again about the old record.
    Was Alexander Samsonov just as indignant in 1995? And in 1997? And then every three years he wrote angry articles about how bad life was?
    Now it’s on topic, of course. Yeltsin is such a bastard that he took away power from Gorbachev, and then from Rutsky and Khasbulatov.

    People's uprising... The people worked. Because at that time there were still factories, construction sites, collective farms, state farms. And I listened on the radio to what Muscovites were doing there. They get mad at the fat and share something there. Just like in '91.
  32. Deon59
    Deon59 3 October 2023 10: 38
    +4
    Rutskoi flew to Chernigovka and told about a suitcase with incriminating evidence. And because of the idiot Khasbulatov, they didn’t put an end to the Chechen separatists in 1992
  33. Glagol1
    Glagol1 3 October 2023 10: 44
    +6
    No matter how one views Yeltsin, and the majority is definitely negative, there are also a lot of questions about the other side. In October 1993, Russia dangerously approached the edge of an abyss - disintegration, and balanced on this edge for another 7 years. And Khasbulatov and Rutskoi were clearly fighting for power, not just for beliefs. To some extent, we were all lucky then; when we approached the line, the conflicting parties stopped and the tension subsided. Now it is not much easier - war, non-re-elected unprofessional authorities, corruption and inflation.
  34. Maks1995
    Maks1995 3 October 2023 10: 52
    +1
    Alas. Just as the plutocracy came to power, it remains so.
    Yeltsin centers, Solzhenitsyns and the mini-cult of Tsarist Russia are “our everything” for the elite..
    Nothing can be changed.

    And the West.... the elite itself gives him trump cards... and he doesn’t refuse...
  35. victor50
    victor50 3 October 2023 10: 56
    +7
    The armed forces bided their time, unwilling to defend the regime and participate in the carnage.
    Instead of serious analysis there are slogans and a made-up story. Who shot up the White House? Maybe the “waiting” part of the Armed Forces resisted them? And about the popular uprising. I was not a supporter of either the EBN or the Supreme Council (Khasbulatov and some others were very disgusting to me, and Rutskoi, who called for fighting to the death and surrendered alive... should I have loved?). But I saw how some people rejoiced when the White House was shot, when I became indignant, I heard a lot of interesting things about myself, and at the same time about the “popular uprising.” Question to Mr. Samsonov: for whom are you writing this nonsense? And for what purpose? Everything is clear with EBN. Everyone except the Supreme. lol But is it necessary to praise his opponents, who did not deserve it at all? And if they had seized power, it seems to me that it would have been even worse. This is partially confirmed by the subsequent activities of some of them.
    1. kor1vet1974
      kor1vet1974 3 October 2023 11: 37
      +3
      Instead of serious analysis - slogans and made-up stories
      When did this happen, so that the author didn’t invent the story? smile
  36. Russian Patriot
    Russian Patriot 3 October 2023 11: 25
    +12
    Yeltsin’s level of filthiness and contribution to the destruction of the state and the life of Russians is simply incomparable to anyone else.
    Perhaps only with the Mongol-Tatar yoke.
    So he and his associates inflicted in 3 decades on Russia such damage (and continue to inflict) that the Mongols inflicted in 200 years.
    1. Fat
      Fat 3 October 2023 12: 47
      -4
      In terms of his filthiness, Yeltsin is surpassed only by “professor” Khazbulatov. The opposition was the first to begin “military actions” with the seizure (and looting) of the Moscow City Hall after the looters, led by the half-Nazi Makashov, with the support of the detachments of the full Nazi Barkashov, began to storm and rob the Ostankino television center. It’s amazing that Yeltsin’s nukers “crushed buns” for so long before the final showdown with the “rebellious masses of the people”... It was even more disgusting to watch the interview with Ruslan Imranovich, where he not only lies through the phrase, but also with aspiration, waving his hands and rolling his eyes, he talks about how he fruitfully communicated with generals (3 of them) and Z. Brzezinski “himself”...
      A real "professor" intellectual... An eternal victim. With Rutskoi’s demand, he was appointed acting president by people’s deputies abandoned by Yeltsin, he obeyed.
  37. Factor
    Factor 3 October 2023 11: 56
    +5
    Yeltsin's successor. Everything goes according to the will and the deeds of the heirs are proof of this.



  38. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 3 October 2023 11: 56
    +6
    In 1924, the first Constitution of the USSR was adopted. It would be nice to adopt the 2024nd Constitution of the Russian Federation in 100, the year of the 2th anniversary of the first Constitution of the USSR, taking into account the interests of the people, and not the oligarchy.
    But for now this is probably in the realm of science fiction.
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  40. Jose
    Jose 3 October 2023 12: 13
    +7
    Rutskoi, alas, simply set up the rebels when he led them to storm Ostankino. And the majority of the people at that time, due to the inertia left over from the USSR, did not know how to think critically and stupidly believed everything that was sold on the zombie box.
  41. ivan_zaitsew
    ivan_zaitsew 3 October 2023 12: 33
    +4
    The people are an inert, amorphous mass that does not decide anything, does not choose anything, does not overthrow anyone, etc. There has never been or could be any “popular uprising”. One gang defeated another gang in the struggle for access to financial goodies.
  42. single-n
    single-n 3 October 2023 13: 04
    +4
    Black house. How Yeltsin crushed the popular uprising and how they erected a monument to him for this.
  43. sevryuk
    sevryuk 3 October 2023 13: 21
    +4
    If you vote for an obvious deceiver, succumb to manipulation and provocation, and do not at least passively resist violence, then you are not a victim, you are an accomplice!
  44. sevryuk
    sevryuk 3 October 2023 13: 27
    +2
    Quote: Glagol1
    In October 1993, Russia came dangerously close to the edge of the abyss


    On what the fuck edge? The BrRSFSR (and not Russia) has been in it since at least 1991.
  45. osp
    osp 3 October 2023 13: 32
    +9
    Yeltsin does not deserve not only museums for the people’s billions and centers, but even plaques on the house in which he lived.
    Doesn't deserve it.
    1. 16112014nk
      16112014nk 3 October 2023 15: 22
      +9
      The EBN center must be destroyed like Carthage.
      But the Moscow authorities want to establish an internet center in Moscow. fool
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 19: 53
        0
        Quote: 16112014nk
        The EBN center must be destroyed like Carthage.
        But the Moscow authorities want to establish an internet center in Moscow. fool

        Tanka was given a large historical building in the center of Moscow for him.
      2. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 3 October 2023 19: 53
        0
        Quote: 16112014nk
        The EBN center must be destroyed like Carthage.
        But the Moscow authorities want to establish an internet center in Moscow. fool

        Tanka was given a large historical building in the center of Moscow for him.
  46. Eugene Zaboy
    Eugene Zaboy 3 October 2023 14: 10
    -5
    Alexander Samsonov's nostalgia is understandable, but he is clearly not in the know. The collapse of the USSR certainly caused and continues to cause rejection and conflicting feelings among the overwhelming majority of citizens of the former USSR, only Samsonov does not see the main thing lying on the surface. He needs to answer a few questions. Who and what did the Supreme Soviet of the USSR represent in 1993? What budget did he have, what powers and on whose behalf were the deputies of the former Union republics vested? At whose expense did these deputies live? Who provided their accommodation in Moscow, security and movements? Don't forget - two years have passed since the disappearance of the USSR.

    The answer is not very optimistic. In fact, the Supreme Council of the non-existent state of the USSR tore the Russian budget in different directions, in the interests of the former republics, without understanding what it was doing. At the same time, this was extremely beneficial for the leadership of these republics, with the exception of Russia, and plunged Russia into poverty. It was necessary to immediately cut off any forms of financing, stop any assistance, only self-financing, based on profit, they would have rushed back long ago.

    The Supreme Council and the Congress advocated the preservation of full power by the Congress of People's Deputies (until the adoption of the constitution) and against excessive haste, thoughtlessness and abuse (the so-called “shock therapy”) when carrying out radical economic reforms. Supporters of the Supreme Council relied on the current Constitution, according to Art. 104 of which the highest body of state power was the Congress of People's Deputies.


    Whose Supreme Council? Whose power? Whose constitution? Which republics recognized it at that moment? This is an inevitable, bloody war of Russia against everyone. Have you forgotten what happened in the Baltics? Khazbulatov came up with the idea to place Dudayev’s men with weapons in the center of Moscow. Maybe they were the ones who shot?

    Coup d'état and popular uprising

    On September 21, 1993, Yeltsin issued decree No. 1400 dissolving the Congress of People's Deputies and the Supreme Council. In response, the Presidium of the Supreme Council, citing Article 121.6 of the Constitution, announced the termination of the powers of the president and decided that Decree No. 1400 was not enforceable. Rutskoi takes the presidential oath and addresses the people with “patriotic slogans” and at the same time tries to get the approval of the American embassy


    If there was a popular uprising, it was against the four, against the background of the curtain, who appeared on television. The people, after such impudence, immediately took to the streets. Yeltsin had nothing to do with it, he was not ready and acted based on the circumstances. According to information from the Ministry of Defense, Berezovsky and Nemtsov were running around the Kremlin garden at that moment, thinking about what to do. Maybe rumors. In any case, oligarchy is also excluded. Yeltsin had no choice but to lead the protest. Otherwise, it would also have been demolished, for company. The army, quite rightly, was guided by the principle of non-intervention into the internal civil conflict and sent troops only after receiving information about Chechen militants in the city. Only the movement of the military stopped the Dudayevites from speaking out openly, otherwise the massacre of the unarmed would have begun.

    In fact, Yeltsin saved Russia from complete destruction. The Fab Four would have destroyed her within a few months.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 October 2023 14: 58
      -1
      You forgot something. In fact, in 1993, the SND and the Supreme Soviet of the USSR no longer functioned. The confrontation was between, on the one hand, the President of the RSFSR (then the Russian Federation) elected in 1991 and, on the other hand, the Congress of People's Deputies of the RSFSR elected in 1990 and the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation (RSFSR) elected from its members. And yes, according to the then current version of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, it was the SND of the Russian Federation that was the highest authority in the Russian Federation.
  47. Pushkar
    Pushkar 3 October 2023 15: 20
    +1
    There was no "popular uprising". The Supreme Council did not try to return the USSR, socialism, justice. There was a putsch, an attempt by Rutskoi and Khazbulatov to pull the blanket of power over themselves. And to do this, light the fire of civil war. Remember Rutskoi’s call to bomb the Kremlin? And then he enjoyed the governorship of Kursk, accepting this favor from Yeltsin’s hands.
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 3 October 2023 16: 10
      +2
      Just don't worry.
      There was no putsch.

      Back in September 1993, the Constitutional Court of Russia confirmed the correctness of Khasbulatov and the powers of the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies.

      Rutskoy is Rutskoy. He spoke when the shooting had already begun. But the Congress did not call for bombing anything at all.

      And even later, in 1996, in a March resolution of the State Duma it was stated that Yeltsin was a criminal.

      You can write any nonsense here... But it will not become the truth.

      A society in which such “miracles” occur as the shooting of the Congress, and before that the division of the country by three dudes at night in Belovezhskaya Pushcha,
      the separation of Ukraine “so as not to feed them”, and then the opposite - - under the slogan “let’s return our lands” - - this is a very sick society in the head...... There’s nothing to discuss here.. laughing
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 4 October 2023 16: 59
        -3
        Quote: ivan2022
        Just don't worry.
        There was no putsch.

        Well, it wasn’t, it wasn’t.
        Quote: ivan2022

        Back in September 1993, the Constitutional Court of Russia confirmed the correctness of Khasbulatov and the powers of the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies.

        From Wiki: On the night of October 3, a meeting of the Constitutional Court was held under the chairmanship of Valery Zorkin. As the press service of the Constitutional Court reported, the court began discussing “the constitutionality of the actions and decisions of senior officials of the executive and legislative branches.” However, the court was unable to begin considering the constitutionality of the decisions of the Congress of People's Deputies, because, according to the press service of the Constitutional Court, it “does not have the opportunity to obtain official documents of the congress due to the ongoing blockade of the House of Soviets of Russia.”
        Quote: ivan2022
        But the Congress did not call for bombing anything at all.

        The Congress elected Rutsky as president and he spoke on behalf of the Congress.
        According to the transcript of the video documents, which is referred to in his memoirs by the assistant and. O. Minister of Defense Achalov, defender of the House of Soviets Marat Musin[26]:
        Alexander Rutskoi:
        - Attention please! Youth, combat-ready men! Build up here on the left side! Form detachments, and today we must storm the mayor's office and Ostankino!

        - Hooray!

        Ruslan Khasbulatov:
        “I call on our valiant warriors to bring troops and tanks here in order to storm the Kremlin with the former usurper, criminal Yeltsin... Today Yeltsin should be imprisoned in “Matrosskaya Tishina”, his entire corrupt clique should be imprisoned in a dungeon!

        The end of the sentence is muffled on the street:
        - Hooray!
        And in general, dear Ivan, I then worked at the Moscow Pipe Plant OJSC Filit, of blessed memory, and every day going to work I saw all this with my own eyes. Four tanks shot out the abscess of the civil war. And if these idiots had been defeated, Russia would no longer exist.
  48. tank64rus
    tank64rus 3 October 2023 16: 20
    +5
    This is the beginning of the tragedy, when for the first time those who came to power in 1991 showed themselves. How they cracked from all the irons that in 1991 only four people died. Well, now if you count the dead over all these 30-odd years. Millions. They said that they avoided civil war then. Yes, it has been going on and on all these years, now fading, now intensifying. Now it’s Ukraine. This is the price the people pay for allowing themselves to be deceived by adventurers and outright traitors.
  49. tank64rus
    tank64rus 3 October 2023 16: 20
    +7
    This is the beginning of the tragedy, when for the first time those who came to power in 1991 showed themselves. How they cracked from all the irons that in 1991 only four people died. Well, now if you count the dead over all these 30-odd years. Millions. They said that they avoided civil war then. Yes, it has been going on and on all these years, now fading, now intensifying. Now it’s Ukraine. This is the price the people pay for allowing themselves to be deceived by adventurers and outright traitors.
  50. Nikif
    Nikif 3 October 2023 16: 29
    +9
    By the way, if the collapse of the Union had not been committed by a bunch of scoundrels, the current situation would not have existed. For some reason, no one evaluates this particular aspect of the matter. I remember how even then I was struck by the fact that independent states would have their own armies and, PURELY THEORETICALLY, would be able to fight each other. But then it seemed completely wild and impossible - a war between the republics of the Union. I wouldn't dream it in my worst nightmare...
    And the Center in memory of the one who founded it still exists...