A military expert called the appointment of Troshev responsible for the formation of volunteer detachments “the right decision”

In recent days, Russian resources have been very actively discussing the future fate of the Wagner PMC in particular, as well as volunteer units in general. The day before, Vladimir Putin met in the Kremlin with the company’s chief of staff Andrei Troshev and Deputy Defense Minister Yunus-Bek Yevkurov, at which the issue of interest to everyone was raised. The situation was commented on by reserve colonel, member of the presidium of the Public Organization "Officers of Russia" Timur Syrtlanov.

According to the military expert, the appointment of Andrei Troshev as responsible for the formation of volunteer units is correct and the only one in this situation; this candidacy suits both the military-political leadership of the country and volunteer formations. Troshev is an iconic figure for volunteers, since he is the organizer of the volunteer movement in Russia; in addition, he served as chief of staff of the Wagner PMC and knows very well the entire “kitchen” of the company.

Evkurov and Troshev together are creating a strong team, in which the first will oversee this direction from the military department, and the second will receive complete carte blanche both on personnel issues and on further actions of volunteer formations in Africa, Syria and in the Northern Military District zone.

It is assumed that the new formations that Troshev is creating will actively use the experience of the Wagner PMC, since most commanders and fighters will follow the former chief of staff of the company.

Let us recall that for the first time Putin spoke about the option of continuing service by soldiers of the Wagner PMC under the command of Troshev on June 29, a few days after the PMC detachments marched on Moscow. However, this option did not suit the curator and founder of the company, Evgeniy Prigozhin, after which a refusal followed. At the moment, part of the company is located in Belarus, part in Africa. There is information that the company intends to go under the wing of the Russian Guard, and not the Ministry of Defense. With a high probability, the company will no longer exist in the form in which the PMC was under Prigozhin. Some changes will still happen.

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[abrakadabre]

There is information that the company intends to go under the wing of the Russian Guard, and not the Ministry of Defense.

Which seems to hint at unsatisfactory processes in the Defense Ministry from the point of view, let’s call a spade a spade, middle/lower-level military personnel.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: abrakadabre

Which seems to hint at unsatisfactory processes in the Defense Ministry from the point of view, let’s call a spade a spade, middle/lower-level military personnel.

I think this is the point: when you have PMCs or volunteer battalions, you can create a command structure within a unit from scratch with feedback and supplies. But in the army you can’t just change anything, even if you order, people, by inertia, will most likely do the same for a long time.

[Arzoo]

Everything works differently there. There are no ranks in PMCs, only positions. Your own rules, not the charter. Initiative is rewarded, not punished. The discipline is extreme, very far from morality and the rules of warfare. For example, Wagner at one time did not take prisoners and for a reason, on purpose, they were counting on the same attitude from the enemy. And they received it. Example Soledar, all the surrounded lock-haired men in the mines were simply killed, despite the desire to surrender. I’m generally silent about the sledgehammer. How can it be integrated into the structure of the Moscow Region? I don't understand it point blank. This is a completely different organizational structure. And it is so effective because it is completely different.

Regarding this situation. Troshev and his people never left Donbass. How can he return there if he never left?
Well, in general, it will be good if it shows 10% of the company’s previous efficiency. A PMC is not only a headquarters, it also includes management, marketing and recruitment. For this reason, this initiative is obviously unpromising.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

This is pure propaganda! Evkurov has recently flown around many countries where we have interests. The goal is to convince partners to work with the Russian Defense Ministry. No result yet. But the channel associated with the musicians writes a lot about the fact that they had and still had contracts and new ones appeared after the murder of part of the management. I advise you to read Brest, who is more authoritative than Troshev!
According to information about Wagner in the Kleshcheevka area, it’s not Wagner there, it’s conditionally the PMC Redut, which gathered some of the fighters who served in Wagner under Sedogo. But the management structure there is different and it is not a fact that there will be the same confident result. The musicians themselves consider these former colleagues to be 500...
Read the correct telegram channels - Gray Zone, Unloading Wagner, Fatherland (Brest). There people do not chat, but present the real state of affairs.
And the plane that exploded in Mali had nothing to do with the musicians, there was a pilot error, the crew worked on this board for a couple of weeks, the pilot was 66 years old, had previously worked as a test pilot...

[dmi.pris1]

The fact remains that PMCs have a good pool of qualified and skilled officers there, and this must be used.

[Silver99]

I can’t understand why Troshev is better than Prigozhin? How will new formations be better than PMCs and why are we again talking about some formations, and not regular units of the Armed Forces? Why was it necessary to break something that was beneficial over the knee?

[Vladimir M]

Most likely the issue is losses. It will be easier for the Defense Ministry to report and not include volunteers in its losses. These volunteer units will be attached to the Ministry of Defense units.

[ALARI]

And what do we understand here, also a Newton binomial: firstly, Troshev is controlled. and secondly, alive, it costs a lot. If a dog begins to bite the hand that feeds it, then it’s not needed.

[Vladimir M]

What does it have to do with Troshev’s control or not? Units are created with unclear status, tasks, and their position in the structure of the Defense Ministry

[ALARI]

That’s why you need a controlled person, otherwise the previous one fantasized something like hell, he imagined himself to be a messiah and a savior, while he was still alive.

[opposite28]

And what do we understand here, also a Newton binomial: firstly, Troshev is controlled. and secondly, alive, it costs a lot. If a dog begins to bite the hand that feeds it, then it’s not needed.

In the case, as you put it, a dog bites your hand, it means that the hand could be dirty, which needs to be washed before you start communicating with the dog or cut off because other dirt cannot be washed off from your hands (even if you wash it with bleach), and the food is not edible or poisoned, which means the dog will sense it in advance and therefore bite, recognizing the danger, or refuse to accept the treat. And then a dog is a dog, and a person is a person. But human behavior similar to the behavior of a dog suggests that the person has mutated due to the negative moral and psychological environment around him. And the fact that Troshev is alive and under control does not mean that the Wagner PMC will continue to work on music as before with the participation of Yevgeny Prigozhin, not to mention the participation of Troshev and Evkurov in the creation of some new structure of volunteer formations. How at the beginning of the North Military District PMC "Wagner" showed itself from the best side in terms of fulfilling the assigned task, both morally, ethically, and spiritually and materially, and how, by unknown order, a column that was moving without threatening anyone was shot don't pay attention to yourself. Particularly noteworthy is the continued silence about the true reasons why representatives of the Russian Defense Ministry, starting in the spring of 2023, did not fulfill their previously assumed obligations regarding the logistics of the units of the Wagner PMC, which caused numerous losses in manpower due to unfulfilled fire missions. The SVO continues, the further into the forest the thicker the partisans are...

[Vashek]

Wagner was still torn, but they want to use it. Why waste it? Let's see how this will work out against the backdrop of the conflict between Shoigu and Zolotov.
And further. Evkurov has been plowing for 40 years and is a Colonel General. Krivoruchko - 6 years in the army - army general. The conclusion is that the main thing is who is whose relative.

[AAK]

If those at the top still turned on their brains, then they understood one thing from the experience of the Great Patriotic War - the Red Army is fighting at the front and is not distracted by secondary tasks, the operational formations of the NKVD clear and clear the rear in the liberated territories, incl. from encircled enemy military groups, having the necessary weapons and equipment for this... the concentration of Wagner personnel in the Russian Guard can also speak of training, in principle, the personnel of the Russian Guard, who have not seriously fought, in acquiring the skills necessary for combined arms combat. .. that is, the strengthening of the Russian Guard with combat units may indicate preparation for conducting offensive operations in a few months, when the combat missions of the army itself and the Russian Guard begin to separate - the army men break through the front, the Russian Guard clear out the liberated territories and ensure the protection of rear communications from attacks by possible “forest brothers” "and the Bandera-Dill underground...

[Vladimir M]

The fact remains that the Ministry of Defense and the Russian Guard, by their structure, were not fully prepared to carry out the tasks assigned to them.

[Babermetis]

Quote: AAK

If those at the top still turned on their brains, then they understood one thing from the experience of the Great Patriotic War - the Red Army is fighting at the front and is not distracted by secondary tasks, the operational formations of the NKVD clear and clear the rear in the liberated territories, incl. from encircled enemy military groups, having the necessary weapons and equipment for this... the concentration of Wagner personnel in the Russian Guard can also speak of training, in principle, the personnel of the Russian Guard, who have not seriously fought, in acquiring the skills necessary for combined arms combat. .. that is, the strengthening of the Russian Guard with combat units may indicate preparation for conducting offensive operations in a few months, when the combat missions of the army itself and the Russian Guard begin to separate - the army men break through the front, the Russian Guard clear out the liberated territories and ensure the protection of rear communications from attacks by possible “forest brothers” "and the Bandera-Dill underground...

I like the way you think

[Alexga]

Russian President Vladimir Putin on the evening of September 28 held a meeting with Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yunus-Bek Yevkurov and commander of the Wagner PMC Andrei Troshev, according to the Kremlin website. on the morning of September 29. In a conversation with Troshev, Putin raised the topic of forming “volunteer units” to participate in the war against Ukraine. At the same time, he emphasized that the Defenders of the Fatherland Foundation will provide social guarantees “regardless of the status of the person who performs or has performed combat missions.” Retired Colonel Andrey Troshev previously served as chief of staff of the Wagner PMC Evgeny Prigozhin, who died in a plane crash in August. Hide

Strange, but this is the first mention of this meeting. Deutsche Welle, 11 hours ago. https://www.dw.com/ru/putin-vstretilsa-s-komandirom-cvk-vagner-trosevym/live-66955090. This resource is blocked in the Republic of Belarus.

[rotmistr60]

Strange, but this is the first mention of this meeting.

At 09.14 (Moscow time) there was already an article about this meeting on the website.

[Alexga]

Deutsche Welle published the news around midnight, and ours only at nine. I wonder who the enemy's source is?

[Al manah]

You are interested, neither am I, the special services are not.

[svp67]

Evkurov and Troshev together create a strong team,

, and if we also take into account that Surovikin is “in the shadows” there, then we should expect many more “interesting” messages from all over the world

[Ryazan87]

It won't be Wagner anymore. The Moscow Region also had its own PMCs, the same "Redoubt", but it didn't work out very well. The brand can still be used for some time, but...

[zxc15682]

Now their flag will be "red skull with bloody tears"

[Fangaro]

Have legislators already allowed the existence of PMCs?
Or is it still possible, when necessary, but when you are disabled, there is a law on mercenaries and the state cannot make payments?

[Vladimir M]

And yet there must be a good reason for the formation of volunteer brigades, unless of course this is another stupidity of the Ministry of Defense. There is a Defense Ministry that must conduct combat operations with the Ukrainian regular army, and there is a Russian National Guard that must clean up the liberated territories. I understand that in certain conditions, a PMC can cope with combat missions more effectively than the Defense Ministry, but PMCs cannot/should not defeat a regular army. At the beginning of the Second World War, it was understandable when volunteers were armed, without changing into uniforms and without bothering with the formation of military units from them, they were sent to the front line. They still died in a short period of time and their main task was to delay the enemy’s advance. They completed their task. What is the main task of the volunteer teams being created?

[Amateur]

The one who organized and prepared a military rebellion, who took up arms against his comrades, betrayed Russia. And he will answer for it. And I urge those who are trying to be drawn into this crime not to make a fatal, tragic, unique mistake, and to make the only right choice - to stop participating in criminal acts.
(Vladimir Putin)

So are the “Wagnerites” still heroes or “enemies of the people”? Yesterday it was like that, but today it’s no longer like that. I'm completely confused.

[r5555]

Heroes of the people, because they are enemies of the current corrupt government. The authorities are somehow trying to saddle them, but IMHO, the train has left, the Secretary General should have turned on his brain earlier and moved his rolls faster, and not this “He doesn’t make decisions quickly”

[opposite28]

It is assumed that the new formations that Troshev is creating will actively use the experience of the Wagner PMC, since most commanders and fighters will follow the former chief of staff of the company.

It is important that the former chief of staff and his followers do not mistake the steppe...

With a high probability, the company will no longer exist in the form in which the PMC was under Prigozhin. Some changes will still happen.

Some changes will definitely happen, you can be sure...