In Russia, from October 1, fines will be introduced for failure to assist military registration and enlistment offices in mobilization

From October 1, 2023, the Russian Federation will introduce fines for failure to provide assistance to military commissariats during the period of mobilization activities.

In accordance with the new law, administrative liability is introduced for late notification or failure to ensure the appearance of persons subject to mobilization. Employers and officials will be held accountable. For failure to provide assistance to military registration and enlistment offices, they will be fined: officials - in the amount of 60-80 thousand rubles, legal entities - 400-500 thousand rubles.

In addition, a fine awaits those who did not deliver equipment in a timely manner in connection with the citizen mobilization plan. The equipment needs to be supplied to military registration and enlistment offices and assembly points. Officials of various organizations and contractor companies that provide equipment will be responsible for such a violation.

In addition, from January 1, 2024, the age limit for military service in the Russian Federation will be increased from 27 to 30 years. The minimum age will remain the same – 18 years. By raising the age limit for conscription for military service, the state expects to increase the size of the conscript army.

The listed innovations are quite timely in the context of a difficult international political situation and the special military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine.

Comments

[dmi.pris1]

We are doing the same thing that we did on the outside. A year ago, let’s say. Then we were joking... What happened next for them, and what are we preparing for?

[Mikhail Ivanov]

Everything that happened in Ukraine, after a while, begins to happen here too. And it's not funny...

[bk316]

We are doing the same thing we did on VNA.G

Maybe so. But that’s not what the article is actually about.
An article on the restoration of military registration.
So what we are doing now is what was done in the USSR and has not been done for the last 30 years.
The military registration system has not just degraded or been destroyed.
She was completely destroyed.
The Moscow Region really doesn’t know where who is, who has what medical qualifications, who died, who is a chronicler....
If it were not for the possibility of integrating various databases, we would have been restoring this accounting for years.
I've actually been doing just this for the last month.
In my life I have seen a lot of chaos in the state, but this is not a chaos, this is just some kind of hell.
Here I would like to ask the question where the money went for 30 years and how the Moscow Region missed such a situation.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: bk316

and hasn't been for the last 30 years.

Well, well... At the beginning of the XNUMXs, at our factory, passports were collected from military personnel to transfer data to the military registration and enlistment office.

[suhorukofal]

Factories are the last islands in terms of operating in accordance with the law. Otherwise, a bunch of people who like to screw things up happily talk about how they worked calmly until they were 27 years old, they really think they are smart for deceiving the system.

[Kurganets-45]

Now everything is exactly the same, reconciliation is annual.

[bk316]

At the beginning of the XNUMXs, at our factory, passports were collected from military personnel to transfer data to the military registration and enlistment office.

I don’t know what kind of plant you have, but my company has been operating since 94. Military records were NEVER kept. If we take Moscow State University, they stopped keeping records in 98. I asked a friend at a construction site, he just laughed...

Explain to me a simple thing. So you came to Moscow and got a job.
You must register with the local military registration and enlistment office according to your temporary registration.
But more than half (official data) do not register, which means they cannot register. Do you know how many such questions there are?

[Grits]

Quote: bk316

I've actually been doing just this for the last month.

Me too. Therefore I completely agree with you

[man]

Here I would like to ask the question: where did the money go for 30 years?
I hear this question almost every day, but I have never heard an answer to it.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

So the problem is that for 30 years they only stole and squandered the inheritance, and now there is a war and we need to work quickly and efficiently. Only now we have those specialists sitting in our military registration and enlistment offices. They also provided an excuse from the army for those who wanted and had... And if a system is created, it must be done practically anew and initially according to the mind, otherwise they will start calling up the dead like in Ukraine...

[man]

And if a system is created, it must be done practically anew and initially according to the mind
What have we done wisely in 30 years? "Please announce the entire list!"

[suhorukofal]

Quote: mann

What have we done wisely in 30 years? tax system

Like what?

[bk316]

What have we done wisely in 30 years?

Yes, a lot of things.

Well, for example, they learned how to make good boats for fishing (either PVC or aluminum), with all the power of the USSR there was nothing like that. And now, even if the price were the same, I would buy ours and not the Finnish one.

Cool wooden houses. Look at how they built in the village before and how it is now. Well, I’m not even talking about the Soviet series of rural houses made of ASBESTOS concrete - oncology there is much closer than to tank crews with depleted uranium shells.

They wrote a lot of clever software, and the same mobile network was created in record time, the Internet is one of the cheapest in the world.

But you are probably interested in government projects, please.
The roads in the European part simply cannot be compared. This is not even 30 in the last 15 years. Previously, when you went to Ostashkov, you either crawled or had the suspension repaired, but now I can carry a glass of vodka on a dashboard without spilling.

[bk316]

And if a system is created, it must be done practically anew and from the very beginning according to the mind, otherwise they will start calling up the dead, like in Ukraine...

The more I delve into this, the more I come to the same opinion.

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: bk316

We are doing the same thing we did on VNA.G

Maybe so. But that’s not what the article is actually about.
An article on the restoration of military registration.
So what we are doing now is what was done in the USSR and has not been done for the last 30 years.
The military registration system has not just degraded or been destroyed.
She was completely destroyed.
The Moscow Region really doesn’t know where who is, who has what medical qualifications, who died, who is a chronicler....
If it were not for the possibility of integrating various databases, we would have been restoring this accounting for years.
I've actually been doing just this for the last month.
In my life I have seen a lot of chaos in the state, but this is not a chaos, this is just some kind of hell.
Here I would like to ask the question where the money went for 30 years and how the Moscow Region missed such a situation.

An article about an eleven-year-old and multi-trillion prosper, without which all this would not have happened at all.

[AdAstra]

It’s strange, but then for some reason it was “funny.”

[man]

Everything that happened in Ukraine, after a while, begins to happen here too.
Well, not all of them, at least gay pride parades haven’t caught on here

[parabyd]

Besides, it’s time to decide what you actually want.

If you advocate for the complete destruction of Ukraine, call for an offensive, and at the same time deny the need to use nuclear weapons, then there is only one way - mobilization.

[suhorukofal]

Mobilization alone is not enough and you can’t recruit a huge number of people, you still need to somehow train people, and with this we simply have a problem, it’s the main one, they sent people to us in the assault force who had already been mobilized for 4 months, but could not properly handle weapons do not know how. The result is logical - at the first weak shelling they fled. Again there are a lot of questions and obscenities to our command, what is it guided by other than its own profit.

[man]

If you drown for complete destruction of Ukraine
What terrible words did you say...

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote from: parabyd

Besides, it’s time to decide what you actually want.

If you advocate for the complete destruction of Ukraine, call for an offensive, and at the same time deny the need to use nuclear weapons, then there is only one way - mobilization.

That won't help. Back in February it was clear, the very next day.
Otherwise, the “people's allies” would have taken power into their own hands, the “brotherly Odessa residents” would have tied all the Natsiks to the Christmas trees and other “sleeping Lviv residents” would have blown up Polish crossings. But, alas.
just sent

[suhorukofal]

So you have to see the difference on what they were joking about, they have been holding back the Russian army since 2014, even before the Northern Military District they staged a circus with their tales and mobilization, but we have a situation of a real war, although not a full-scale one, against a bloc of countries. So, against the backdrop of the forces involved and the confrontation at the moment, those squeals of the Ukrainians, how they have been restraining Russia since 2014, are now even more ridiculous

[ABC-schutze]

And in Switzerland, where all persons of military age who are fit for military service due to health reasons are liable for military service, in general, no one “sends out” anything to anyone...

And the local "military registration and enlistment offices" (let's call it that...) simply post a list of persons subject to conscription (for service or retraining) on ​​the "bulletin board" of those "military registration and enlistment offices" (local administrations) to which the conscripts are assigned... Or on their "home page"...

And it is the conscript’s DUTY to show interest and clarify whether he has appeared on the aforementioned “list”...

And “failure to appear” is fraught with imprisonment for up to 4 months... After all, they will call you back again...

[reaper]

Hidden mobilization continues unabated. Municipal enterprises receive orders to provide a certain number of conscripts by certain dates.

[bk316]

Hidden mobilization continues unabated. Municipal enterprises receive orders to provide a certain number of conscripts by certain dates.

What a mess you have in your head.
Mobilization is one thing; calling is another.
The call is ongoing and seasonal.
And there are no discrepancies.
Military registration and enlistment offices send out letters with lists of what they think are conscripts working in this organization, by name.
Organizations MUST communicate this information to designated employees.
The article is actually about this.

[reaper]

It's a mess in your head.
I wrote about mobilization, not about conscription

[suhorukofal]

You re-read your message, it’s both about conscripts and mobilized

[Lynx2000]

Quote: suhorukofal

You re-read your message, it’s both about conscripts and mobilized

The Reaper simply had to clarify, because there is a conscription of citizens for military service upon mobilization (those in the reserves who have previously served), there is a conscription of citizens for military service who are registered with the military and are not in the reserve (in other words, conscripts for compulsory military service).
Citizens have deferments and exemptions both for mobilization and for conscription for compulsory military service. I designated everyone as conscripts.

[suhorukofal]

Quote: Lynx2000

Quote: suhorukofal

You re-read your message, it’s both about conscripts and mobilized

The Reaper just had to clarify... He identified everyone as conscripts.

It’s somehow strange at VO to explain such elementary things to a local bastard, although what am I talking about, local majors and colonels are talking openly about the SVO, based on Solovyov’s stories, he won’t lie.

[Uprun]

Whether in the forehead or in the forehead, it’s all the same - it’s about hidden mobilization. The trouble is different, women don’t want to give birth, which means something is wrong in the state. Like payments and swearing. capital, rather than giving birth. Hence, the draft age of conscripts is raised. How did the last tsar-father not be blamed, but during his 3 wars, women gave birth to large and a couple of small soldiers. That's where the trouble is.

[Ulan.1812]

Quote: bk316

Hidden mobilization continues unabated. Municipal enterprises receive orders to provide a certain number of conscripts by certain dates.

What a mess you have in your head.
Mobilization is one thing; calling is another.
The call is ongoing and seasonal.
And there are no discrepancies.
Military registration and enlistment offices send out letters with lists of what they think are conscripts working in this organization, by name.
Organizations MUST communicate this information to designated employees.
The article is actually about this.

In fact, military registration and enlistment offices are required to deliver summons to each conscript personally, and not through the management of enterprises.
Maybe they will force you to ensure your attendance?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Ulan.1812

Maybe they will force you to ensure your attendance?

So this is exactly what the article is about.

administrative liability is introduced for untimely notification or failure to ensure the appearance of persons subject to mobilization. Employers and officials will be held accountable.

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Ulan.1812

Maybe they will force you to ensure your attendance?

So this is exactly what the article is about.

administrative liability is introduced for untimely notification or failure to ensure the appearance of persons subject to mobilization. Employers and officials will be held accountable.

That is why unemployment is at zero. Half the country is already at GPH, I guess

[Krilion]

Everything is going to the point that they will soon start catching people on the streets...

[Grits]

Quote: Krilion

Everything is going to the point that they will soon start catching people on the streets...

However, I am currently faced with a different situation. When we offer men (boys) a contract, many refuse. But they say that if there is a mobilization agenda, then we will go without any problems. No one is going to run yet. In any case, I have not encountered such ones.

[Russian_Ninja]

Well, you are also very deluded - “we don’t want to now, but if we do, then yes.” Maybe they don’t believe in universality, that’s why they say so.
I don’t mean that Russians are cowards, they are strong in spirit. But I wouldn't believe it with all my heart

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: Gritsa

Quote: Krilion

Everything is going to the point that they will soon start catching people on the streets...

However, I am currently faced with a different situation. When we offer men (boys) a contract, many refuse. But they say that if there is a mobilization agenda, then we will go without any problems. No one is going to run yet. In any case, I have not encountered such ones.

So those couple of hundred rubles have already turned into dust.

[ximkim]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

We are doing the same thing that we did on the outside. A year ago, let’s say. Then we were joking... What happened next for them, and what are we preparing for?

That this will all last for a long time.
For decades.

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, it is clear that our descendants will also get this. If they still decide to build the “38th parallel” there

[Knell wardenheart]

Put everyone in prison, convict everyone - fines and punishments are everything to us. The country more and more resembles the fantasies of the Marquis De Sade if you read the news feed..

[know]

And Putin boasts about “low unemployment”! Of course, it’s low - the economy was bled dry by a mediocre mobilization and the resulting mass exodus of young men. One more “wave” - and there will be no one to work at all. And women will have no one to give birth to. Apparently, Asians and Caucasians will be brought in for divorce. Or just blacks?

[Nastia makarova]

Now if there is any mobilization, the first thing they will do is close the borders, the laws have already been signed

[Mordvin 3]

failure to ensure the attendance of persons subject to mobilization.

Will the director of the motor depot drag the driver Petya to the military registration and enlistment office on a chain, otherwise he will be fined?

[Uprun]

The director of the car depot will arrange the cars according to the order, and the driver Petya himself will go to the military registration and enlistment office, surrounded by family and friends.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from uprun

The director of the car depot will arrange the cars according to the order, and the driver Petya himself will go to the military registration and enlistment office, surrounded by family and friends.

The fact of the matter is that if Petya rushes beyond the cordon, not wanting to fight, the director will be fined, not his family or friends.

[Nastia makarova]

borders will be closed immediately, laws will be passed

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

borders will be closed immediately, laws will be passed

To the village to visit grandfather, for example.

[Nastia makarova]

there is also the deprivation of driver's licenses, and control over bank cards and phones

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

there is also the deprivation of driver's licenses, and control over bank cards and phones

And the director of the motor depot is neither warm nor cold from this. He will be fined.

[Uprun]

I don’t see the need to go into the intricacies of jurisprudence, the form of guilt, composition and other crap. A good example: mobilization has been announced, the director (official) receives lists of those subject to conscription from the military registration and enlistment office:
a) the director sends driver Petya in his official vehicle to Georgia to buy tangerines.
b) the driver Petya does not go to work (truancy) and disappears in an unknown direction.
In what cases will the director be in business, and in what cases will he not?

[Nastia makarova]

when the director receives the lists, Petya will no longer travel abroad, no one will let him go abroad

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

when the director receives the lists, Petya will no longer travel abroad, no one will let him go abroad

Then everyone can close.

[ximkim]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Yes, it is clear that our descendants will also get this. If they still decide to build the “38th parallel” there

Everything will be much worse.
Now along the border enemies will bake like pies in the oven.
Well... for some reason, Putin is doing the opposite (he wanted to push NATO away, but it became even closer, etc.)

[ALARI]

Fines, fines and more fines. What kind of people are not conscientious and are caught, violating and violating. They would immediately write on sheet A4 what is possible, there is enough space and a subscription for fines, so as not to waste time.

[AdAstra]

Well? Before this we laughed at how they took from prisons for the war, how their people fled abroad from mobilization, how they introduced responsibility for anything and everything connected with this, and now we are going down the same path? Well, it’s okay, we won’t get lost - the path is well-trodden and everything has already been invented before us.

[suhorukofal]

They laughed so much at their lofty speeches that they have been fighting against the Russian army since 2014, but the enormous resources of an entire bloc of countries are actually being used against us

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: suhorukofal

They laughed so much at their lofty speeches that they have been fighting against the Russian army since 2014, but the enormous resources of an entire bloc of countries are actually being used against us

If you had USED resources there, instead of using a flashlight at night, you would have illuminated the bright future

[suhorukofal]

So you screamed that you have been at war with Russia since 2014, then why did you lose so many territories at the beginning of the Northern Military District? You and Putin and Shoigu together should thank the troops for withdrawing from Kyiv. You were simply given the opportunity to use resources, but what can I say, they still allow you to calmly use logistics to its full potential.

[Tagan]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

We are doing the same thing that we did on the outside. A year ago, let’s say. Then we were joking... What happened next for them, and what are we preparing for?

Were you caught in the middle of the street, punched and sent to the front?
Yes, you personally, in fact, don’t need to prepare for anything. Continue to spread demagoguery as before.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

The listed innovations are quite timely in the context of a difficult international political situation and the special military operation carried out by Russia in Ukraine.

This is shifting responsibility from a sore head to a healthy one.
If the military registration and enlistment offices are unable to perform their functions, go to the front!
To work in military registration and enlistment offices today there is probably no shortage of people who were wounded in the Northern Military District.

[know]

In fact, the jelly is a pitiful result of Putin’s many years of rule. Under the slandered Stalin, when the country was in danger, people lined up at military registration and enlistment offices. Under Putin - in line at the Verkhniy Lars crossing. Putin handed over the country to the liberals, who raised a whole generation of cowards and opportunists.

[al3x]

Not many people want to fight for other people's billions. This is not a people's war, which was the Second World War and when the Germans were near Moscow. The modern generation understands this very well.

[know]

And who prevented Putin from reviewing the results of the scandalous Loans for Loans auctions during his reign? Who prevented him from modernizing the country using the windfall profits he received from the sale of non-renewable natural resources? Who prevented him from expelling Nabiullina in disgrace or even imprisoning Nabiullina, who handed over to her Western curators half of the gold and foreign exchange reserves accumulated at the expense of our taxes? Who prevented him from imprisoning Chubais? whom he himself recently openly called a thief? Who forces him to endure the antics of Ksyushka Sobchak and her mother Narusova? Who is stopping him from closing the Yekaterinburg Yeltsin Center, which disgraces our country and its history? And who is forcing him to build a new Yeltsin Center - already in Moscow? Who forced him to calmly watch how anti-Soviet and anti-Russian films and TV series were made with budget money? Who forced him to personally unveil monuments to Judas Solzhenitsyn? And who forced him to include the works of this traitor in the school curriculum?

[al3x]

How can you interfere with those things and processes that you actually lead?

[Alien From]

Vet! There is one answer to all your questions: the 146 percent turnout is a hindrance, then I think everything is clear to everyone.

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: Alien From

Vet! There is one answer to all your questions: the 146 percent turnout is a hindrance, then I think everything is clear to everyone.

The matter, apparently, is up to VP (if everything doesn’t end before the end of the year). There is no point in holding “elections”. We need at least someone for company. For whom a considerable part will stupidly vote “against Putin.”
With a wild incident for the whole world of “millions against” - versus “half a million in the trenches, who seem to be in favor.”
It’s easier not to shine at all with that “unity”

[suhorukofal]

The modern generation generally understands everything perfectly well when it comes to money. For many, just because it’s not profitable, it’s not worth serving, I’m not talking about everyone, not everything is the same, but there are many more volunteers aged 35+ than under 30. Or older people are so stupid that they haven’t heard this story about billions and yachts ? This excuse for service appeared long before the SVO. The only problem is that ordinary men are ready to serve, but every white bone in stripes and others kill this desire with their actions.

[al3x]

We have capitalism, don't we? All life is tied to coins. And the fact that the country was plundered by those who were at the helm or are still in charge of something is really a story? This is a known fact. Did the sneaky oligarchs earn all those factories/newspapers/ships with their labor? Of course not. They stole from the country and bought it for next to nothing.

[suhorukofal]

Quote: al3x

We are capitalism, right?

And the generation that is 35+ lives in some other capitalism? I repeat, but for some reason some are ready to volunteer, while others are not.
Our country has lived under different formations, now can we bury it? Or do you think that the West, if he wins, will be merciful and forgiving, we will live a luxurious life and drink Bavarian?

[al3x]

Quote: suhorukofal

lives in another capitalism?

In the same. A friend of mine also recently volunteered, 33 years old. The reason is banal - they pay well, unlike in civilian life, where the average salary is 35-40, and 60-70 is the ultimate dream for most. Capitalism.

[suhorukofal]

Quote: al3x

The reason is banal - they pay well there

Well, yes, I don’t argue that there are many of them, but many people received a similar salary in civilian life, for me this is clearly a small salary when you risk your head and there is a big possibility that you will never spend this money at all. There is no need to reduce everything to money, especially using the example of one or two acquaintances, in my experience, believe me, in terms of the SVO, it is richer than yours, such people are just a minority. I repeat once again, if there is capitalism in a country, this does not mean that everyone does everything solely for the sake of money. And the story about other people’s billions and yachts in general was very often uttered before the SVO by those who wanted to pretend to be the last fool, but rather not serve - the fear of service was so strong.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: suhorukofal

I repeat once again, if there is capitalism in a country, this does not mean that everyone does everything solely for the sake of money.

of course not everyone.. there are always 5-10 percent who are altruists, blessed or simply - already have a lot of money and now can do it not for the sake of it.. but the rest want to eat, raise children and pay the mortgage (this has to happen, but you don’t want to) ..

[suhorukofal]

It's always interesting for me to read answers with such exact numbers. Where do such accurate data on SBO participants come from, simply based on “5-10 percent, there is always”?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: suhorukofal

It's always interesting for me to read answers with such exact numbers. Where do such accurate data on SBO participants come from, simply based on “5-10 percent, there is always”?

okay, “you are exactly ours,” I use the phrase, the vast majority are in a hurry and what does the emphasis have to do with the participants of the SVO, if you wrote

I repeat once again, if there is capitalism in a country, this does not mean that everyone does everything solely for the sake of money.

If we’re talking about the Northern Military District, did everyone go exclusively voluntarily or through mobilization?

[suhorukofal]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

the vast majority are in a hurry

You see how easily you operate with numbers, then it was not worth making statements using such numbers if there is no data

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

If we’re talking about the Northern Military District, did everyone go exclusively voluntarily or through mobilization?

I didn't say that. Some by mobilization, some by volunteering. People are different in war, it’s amazing, right? Why this question? Just in case, I’ll leave my statement so as not to lose the thread of the conversation:

I repeat once again, if there is capitalism in a country, this does not mean that everyone does everything solely for the sake of money.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: suhorukofal

I repeat once again, if there is capitalism in a country, this does not mean that everyone does everything solely for the sake of money.

and I will repeat, just in case, with a small adjustment: “of course not everyone... there is always a small part - who are altruists, blessed or simply - already have a lot of money and now can do it not for the sake of it... and the rest want to eat, raise children and pay mortgage (you have to, but you don’t want to)." You see, this is normal for capitalism, to the same extent - as it is normal for communism - to have a much larger number of people than under capitalism, who “do not do everything solely for the sake of money.” .under communism, it’s not the norm - “for money”, under capitalism “for free”... I’m talking about this... now the norm is “for money”, because capitalism

[suhorukofal]

Just it was not worth saying about a percentage of about 5-10. I don’t see the point in arguing about the exact amount, it’s just that this statement of 5-10% is completely wrong. As for the rest, of course, I agree, this is the ideology that was instilled in us, and our state apparatus ended up in the same deep place with it. As experience shows, such a consumer ideology turns out to be flawed in difficult stages. They broke and broke, but it turns out they didn’t break it. The elite, the other “elites” who imposed their values ​​on us turned out to be completely rotten

[Alien From]

There is a feeling that this whole CAMPAIGN is a complete profanation. Well, THEY don’t know what to do, but people live.

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: suhorukofal

The modern generation generally understands everything perfectly well when it comes to money. For many, just because it’s not profitable, it’s not worth serving, I’m not talking about everyone, not everything is the same, but there are many more volunteers aged 35+ than under 30. Or older people are so stupid that they haven’t heard this story about billions and yachts ? This excuse for service appeared long before the SVO. The only problem is that ordinary men are ready to serve, but every white bone in stripes and others kill this desire with their actions.

So, here banal arithmetic crashes everything.
With 200k “clean” (currently idle), you need a year, at least, to buy a new Chinese Lada, or a couple of years to buy an apartment. Those. - all for years? And what are the chances in at least six months that you won’t need the car anymore... Because it’s not a five-year shift from which you returned packed, in due time.
That is, the point of going there is only for those who already have at least something in their hearts and not the wind in their heads.

[suhorukofal]

Well, yes, but if you count on being wounded, but there are different types of wounds, it may turn out that you won’t be happy with the money. Indeed, being there is not a shift.

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: suhorukofal

Well, yes, but if you count on being wounded, but there are different types of wounds, it may turn out that you won’t be happy with the money. Indeed, being there is not a shift.

That's the seams.
It’s one thing to fly out, and even back in a couple of months. And if *****. Yes, not at 40 - when you can return to work without a leg, even there, as a deputy department in the office (because you have experience with education, etc.), at least ten years before old age.
And what will a 25-year-old former welder do in life, without all this, except for a pension?

[JonnyT]

Under your “adored” Stalin, Russians were laid out in stacks in the fields in senseless attacks, lying in three layers - in summer uniform, in overcoats, in pea coats..... Now Putin also doesn’t lay down, and he turns out to be to blame....

The pseudo-patriots themselves have a point, otherwise where does all this indignation come from?

[suhorukofal]

Quote: JonnyT

Now Putin also doesn’t lie down, and he turns out to be to blame....

Stalin personally shot billions. And under Putin and Shoigu there are now only victories, industry has been set up, the entire army has been supplied with equipment, property, and in general everything that is needed, no one is stealing. Or should we now be happy that we are still alive?

Quote: JonnyT

pseudo patriots, the point is playing, otherwise where are all these outrages coming from?

I love this phrase about “pseudo-patriots,” but where do you come up with such conclusions that they are pseudo, do you personally know everyone? And who is not a pseudo who, like you, praises Putin? And how can disturbances be linked to “the point is played”

[JonnyT]

Stalin personally did not shoot anyone, but the system of public administration built and headed by him was much less thrifty with human resources....

You write about victories, but forget about the cost at which they were achieved...
How many people died during industrialization, and during the Second World War, the creation of a nuclear shield?
You have no right to criticize the government and compare with previous periods until you yourself participate in creating “victories.” Here the patriots don’t want to work on construction sites and factories, it’s hard for them, but Putin and the Shaiga are to blame. Here, recently, a great patriot told me how he feels about mobilization - they say they scooped up all the parasites, drug addicts, drunks and other lumpen people and fools, and he says I’m also a sucker, since I went to the military registration and enlistment office myself, and everyone supported him, they say it’s right, why fight for other people's billions - and they are all great patriots, they love their homeland.... And the fact that those boys die, wash themselves with blood, is because they are fools, smart patriots sit warm at home with their family, making money

It’s a good point, because as soon as the matter comes up, they immediately let in the liquid - let anyone fight, work 3 shifts, but they would rather be indignant in the comments and criticize the authorities - they say they didn’t give it to them, they didn’t do it, if they gave it, it’s not enough, but it’s necessary bring it on a silver platter

[suhorukofal]

Quote: JonnyT

You have no right to criticize the government and compare with previous periods until you yourself participate in creating “victories.” Here the patriots don’t want to work on construction sites and factories, it’s hard for them, but Putin and the Shaiga are to blame.

And what is it that you are responsible for everyone, do you know who participated and where? Where do these statements come from that I am not involved? You take a lot on yourself with your criticism. For such words in a decent society they would hit you over the head with a candelabra, but for such statements you would generally be included among the least respected. Fortunately, there is the Internet, you can shout anything, which is what you use.

[JonnyT]

Those who participated know the value of their own labor and that of others, and if you participated, then you don’t need to write about this rottenness, they don’t just beat you with a candelabra for it....
I don’t need your respect, you completely described yourself with your bullshit

[suhorukofal]

You are a liar with insults to all those who disagree, so I can similarly say that you described yourself better than I did. especially great about the asshole. I have one question, what did you do? For such verbal diarrhea the Hero received no less.
And your nature can be seen from the very style of your answer, this rottenness is like the Ukrainian weak anger - whoever doesn’t help, whoever doesn’t agree, is just an abomination, doesn’t deserve to live, and in general it wouldn’t hurt to nullify it.
And yes, I just took part and can give my assessments; even the prosecutor’s office gave similar assessments to my commanders, which confirms my words.
And you continue to ride a pony across the rainbow, if life is easier this way, but stop fighting in hysterics when you see that someone does not agree with your only exclusively correct decision, you will have a stroke, you will have trouble thinking with your head.

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: JonnyT

Under your “adored” Stalin, Russians were laid out in stacks in the fields in senseless attacks, lying in three layers - in summer uniform, in overcoats, in pea coats..... Now Putin also doesn’t lay down, and he turns out to be to blame....

The pseudo-patriots themselves have a point, otherwise where does all this indignation come from?

In the 21st century, fighting with “people” is complete nonsense, in fact.
It’s the same as in a car while on the move, manually using the ignition buttons on the spark plugs, pumping the gas pedal with a gas pedal and fanning the engine from the window

[All_Good]

Why can’t we create a combat-ready army without mobilization? So much money to swell over the years and still be rushed around with mobilization. This is ridiculous

[Ulan.1812]

That is, someone should perform the duties of military registration and enlistment office workers instead of them?
We settled in well. Well done Shoigu.

[Nastia makarova]

Read the article carefully several times, think and maybe you will understand!!!!
no one relieves military commissars of their responsibilities; enterprises are fined for not submitting information about those liable for military service on time; when applying for a job, they are not forced to show what is registered with that military registration and enlistment office.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

Read the article carefully several times, think and maybe you will understand!!!!
no one relieves military commissars of their responsibilities; enterprises are fined for not submitting information about those liable for military service on time; when applying for a job, they are not forced to show what is registered with that military registration and enlistment office.

we have a base for pension contributions, taxation, etc. where it is indicated about a person where he works and a lot more... and all this “live” by pressing a couple of keys, according to the new laws - military registration and enlistment offices have access there and can get, why the hell - continue to submit reports in person in this case enterprises with a separate report - like in the last century and for what vegetable, then the money was spent on creating these bases and funds?

[al3x]

At least they would create something sensible in the laws, but no, this is not our way. Our path is exclusively punishment. Off topic, but here we have a bunch of cameras around the city and put up a 40 sign almost everywhere, they are cutting off people as much as they can. 60 appears on the speedometer before you know it, catch minus 500 rubles (half if on time). Fines, fines, ruble punishment all around.

[Nastia makarova]

60 according to the rules and you have to drive around the city!!!! read the traffic rules, but the fact that 20 from above was resolved is generally a controversial issue

[al3x]

More exclamation marks make the comment louder. You should first think about what I wrote. The city has made 40 most of the roads. It was 60. 60-70 is a normal speed in the city, 40 is already nonsense, if only in the most crowded places, where there are a lot of pedestrians. But when you have a straight line of 6-7 kilometers, on which there are 2 traffic lights and 2 pedestrians, and the drive is 40, this is overkill.

[Uprun]

There is no need to distort and exaggerate. The speed limit in cities is up to 40 km at pedestrian crossings, usually near educational and medical institutions, etc. Speed ​​limit, traffic light regulation, etc. - a set of measures based on an analysis of traffic intensity not only of transport, but also of pedestrians, the capacity of the road network and the accident rate. Those who served know that the Charter of the Guard Service is written in blood, every article, every sentence, and traffic rules are also written in the blood of children, the elderly, the young and not so smart and talented, but also degenerates who leave on their own and take them with them innocent.

[Nastia makarova]

You wrote something stupid!!!! if you did 40, then drive freely up to 60, you can’t go above and according to traffic rules, and I don’t think the whole city was made 40, most likely the center where there are a lot of pedestrians

[al3x]

They may write to you in Chinese that 60 appears on the speedometer before you even notice. And I know better which roads in my city have been limited - the longest and busiest, where there are no schools, no hospitals, no kindergartens. In short, where the main flow goes and they were hung with cameras and the limit was lowered to 40, they are the most “fishy”.

[AdAstra]

The most interesting thing is that 20 on top will not be administrative, but if there is a criminal case, then there are no 20 on top if there are no more than 60 means no more

[Tagan]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: bk316

and hasn't been for the last 30 years.

Well, well... At the beginning of the XNUMXs, at our factory, passports were collected from military personnel to transfer data to the military registration and enlistment office.

At our factory at the beginning of the XNUMXs, they did not collect passports from military personnel. It is not necessary. Since Soviet times, factories have had military registration tables. When you apply for a job, you provide the necessary package of documents. Nothing special. Data is transmitted to the military registration and enlistment office on an ongoing basis. It has always been this way. Both during the time of the Soviet Union and now. Now, in connection with well-known events, there has been a noticeable increase in reporting forms.

[mag nit]

Soon they will start shooting, according to the laws of a special military operation.

[Tagan]

Quote: vet

In fact, the jelly is a pitiful result of Putin’s many years of rule. Under the slandered Stalin, when the country was in danger, people lined up at military registration and enlistment offices. Under Putin - in line at the Verkhniy Lars crossing. Putin handed over the country to the liberals, who raised a whole generation of cowards and opportunists.

So why didn't you line up? How we love to talk about the duty and patriotism of someone else, but not ourselves personally. We must show with our own example how to do it correctly, since we have already begun to burn with a verb.
Now there is no need to line up at the military registration and enlistment office. You submit an application for public services, it is reviewed, and a deadline for an interview and medical examination is agreed upon. And forward.
There are currently enough volunteers. It is precisely because of this that there is no repeated mobilization campaign.

[Tagan]

Quote: mag nit

Soon they will start shooting, according to the laws of a special military operation.

You've probably already been shot. Five times in a row.

[alystan]

In Russia, from October 1, fines will be introduced for failure to assist military registration and enlistment offices in mobilization

Maybe military commissars have forgotten how to work? Or have you become lazy?
I wonder who is not helping them? Such people should immediately be sent for retraining, “participate”, remember their youth and some of the duties of a citizen...

[Nastia makarova]

there are many private traders who, in violation, hire people without registering with the local military registration and enlistment office, and work in gray schemes

[Sancho da Vinca]

“What are you doing,” said Polesov ironically, “yesterday the whole city
ran around, dice three-eighths of an inch could not get. No. Not! A tram
they are going to let you in!..(c) And before, there were lines at the military registration and enlistment office (c). And also Putin.... uuuuu..... This, guys, is the fear speaking in you. But normal men won’t run. Neither to the military registration and enlistment office, nor from it! Tea, not a girl The time will come, then they will stand up for the Motherland, as has happened more than once in history.

[Tagan]

Quote: al3x

More exclamation marks make the comment louder. You should first think about what I wrote. The city has made 40 most of the roads. It was 60. 60-70 is a normal speed in the city, 40 is already nonsense, if only in the most crowded places, where there are a lot of pedestrians. But when you have a straight line of 6-7 kilometers, on which there are 2 traffic lights and 2 pedestrians, and the drive is 40, this is overkill.

You wrote that knowing about the fine, you break the rules, and then you lament that you are being fined))) and here you are trying to present to us that they reached into your pocket and took out your money in the most brazen manner. You yourself gave them in this case.

[Petr_Koldunov]

If from October 1 there are fines for failure to comply with the conditions of mobilization, then... this logically means that after October 1 this mobilization will still take place?

[Tagan]

Quote: Sancho da Vinca

“What are you doing,” said Polesov ironically, “yesterday the whole city
ran around, dice three-eighths of an inch could not get. No. Not! A tram
they are going to let you in!..(c) And before, there were lines at the military registration and enlistment office (c). And also Putin.... uuuuu..... This, guys, is the fear speaking in you. But normal men won’t run. Neither to the military registration and enlistment office, nor from it! Tea, not a girl The time will come, then they will stand up for the Motherland, as has happened more than once in history.

Well noticed!

[Dedok]

In Russia, from October 1, fines will be introduced for failure to provide promoting military registration and enlistment offices in mobilization

and someone is opposing? - I don’t see, point blank!
Another thing is that there is a complete mess there and in 1,5 years of the SVO - I did not see that the generals were held accountable for inaction, but all of them are complete gentlemen and extremely well-fed.
why is all this? - make us extreme?
let them make their children extreme

[nikniknik]

They don’t know how else to fleece the people and how to send ordinary citizens to certain death. By sending State Duma deputies, senators of the Council of Federation, children of government officials and oligarchs to mobilize, the North Military District will immediately end in victory for Russia within three days. To avoid negativity, volunteers are mobilized (called upon) by signing a contract, not from big cities, but from the periphery. There are already facts of dismissal of military commissars and some employees as a result of pressure exerted regarding the failure to fulfill the plan to send people to the Northern Military District. There is a campaign to reinstate retired law enforcement officers into the service to be sent to new regions. for ordinary and non-managerial positions. Lord, when these rich people get drunk, you won’t take them with you to the next world (and the time will come sooner or later).

[bk0010]

They became insolent. Will military registration and enlistment offices help enterprises do their work under threat of a fine? Will enterprises be paid for work in the interests of military registration and enlistment offices? Why not? Everything should be mutual.