TOP-10 National Ideas for Russia (Russia)

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Salvation must come from Russia and through Russia

What is happening in Russia now - both in the near-Russian space and on the Internet, except information war you will not name. You can be an intellectual as much as you like, be educated and wise, have life experience, but when reading the TOP list below, just going crazy.

There is such a phrase, which scored the edge of the mouth, "Truth is somewhere nearby." Here is the case when you can just laugh at this expression. The most interesting thing is that if you go there with an analytical point of view, as they say without fanaticism, you can still get lost. To lose oneself is not in the sense of becoming confused, but to doubt one’s traditional views on life and beliefs. Each version commands respect. I called the publication “TOP 10 National Ideas for Russia (Russia)” conditional. There are not even ideas everywhere, but what the Russian people are fond of today, while our countries Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are trying to survive in this tough world. I proceeded from the fact that all the trends and directions presented to you at the judgment declare the salvation of the Russian people, the revival of the social and spiritual order. I am not an expert on information wars, but it is logical to assume that in a dynamic, hard 21 century, naturally, there are some forces working against Russia, since there is fertile soil for this. Our society is constantly in a permanent revolutionary impulse, and all 10 representatives of the TOP list demonstrate this readiness vividly, and all 10 TOP lists claim that third forces are working against us. Naturally, it is foolish to think that if an enemy works against us informationally, he will create an 11 teaching called “Let's destroy Russia!” Therefore, it is logical and logical that there are false teachings, directions, etc. But how to understand this mess? Honestly, I myself do not know ... Moreover, how to bring all Russians together, and will it work out at all? Everyone already lives in their worlds ...

Let's see what the Russian people filled themselves with in spirit after 1991, when our big country fell, for which I miss, even though I was only 5 years old. What did they fill this vacuum with? At once I will make a reservation that the presented “rating” is not all ascending, in the sense of whom and what currents are more, and which are more powerful, but simply the most famous today. Therefore, if there are representatives of these trends on the site, then please do not be offended that your world view may be on the 10 site or not included in the list. I am not a sociologist, and there are no such resources that allow monitoring of social processes. As they say, in the language of our people:

1.Nationalism. It is attractive, it is closer, it is somehow natural even today perceived in the world than 20 years ago. Everyone wants to close off globalism and migration flows. And nationalism is partially close to me, only if for the Russian in Russia, it is an attempt to bring order to the house from the point of view of the Boss, then for me personally in Ukraine, Russian Nationalism is an opportunity not to dissolve the "alien" among "our own". Nationalism is an opportunity not to dissolve as “one's own” among the “aliens” because of Ukrainization.

The most striking phenomenon that gained momentum after the collapse of the USSR in Russia. The reasons are simple and clear. After the fall of ideology, the collapse of the economy, the social system with its social packages, and the very Goal and the meaning of the existence of the Soviet people, inter-ethnic frictions and religious conflicts intensified. Need some kind of natural protection, not a liberal to ask for help? That answer will have one: “the market will judge everything”, “multiculturalism”, “the Cult of the Golden Calf”.
But the trouble is, when I see these videos, I understand that many Russian nationalists scored a bolt on foreign policy:



The boy in balaclava talks about the video that they are fine, and they are actually friends with Ukrainian nationalists and Ukrainian fans, and that he knows how behave in a party, (Ukraine, is your House !!!, and not a guest yard), and what will it say to it:



Stadium guard just wanted remove the banner Stepan Bandera from the stands. He is a Russian man of Soviet style. I agree that the time and place for the cries are not the best: “Bandera, Shukhevych is a hero!”, But the fact is a fact. He was not a guest there, like me, and like all Russians after 1991, in Ukraine, in Central Asia and in the Baltics. Therefore, Russians in Ukraine are shocked by this boy in a black mask! That is why in the South-East of Ukraine and later 12 years love and appreciate Putin! Such human resources are not scattered. I hope not all Russian nationalists in Russia have disowned the Russians, who have remained abroad. My verdict: The 5 column in Russia is strong in nationalist movements. With the same success you can establish friendship with the Albanian nationalists in Kosovo. I do not see the difference. There you will also be visiting. I wonder how old guy is? Hmm ..

Sometimes nationalism flirts with power when it is necessary to extinguish a number of sensitive issues, and sometimes shows it with a finger, saying that we have a multi-confessional state and need to live together, at the expense of which idea, the authorities do not speak!
In general, everything seems to be clear. There are discussions about what kind of nationalism is needed? The nationalism of blood and flesh, or the nationalism of the Spirit of Russian culture? As a result, the patriotic movements are split, maybe I don’t know on purpose. I doubt that the leaders of these movements would not realize that economic nationalism and nationalism of spiritual Russian culture for the Russian Federation are much better than ethnic nationalism. It means that the processes of fragmentation lie deeper and in the shadow.

2.International: socialists, communists, neo-communists, leftists, etc. I am also very close to the direction. Although frankly, there is a little mess. The fact that there is an ideology is good, especially the experience of the Soviet Union, its mistakes and victories. But there are so many directions from indecisive Zyuganov, to overly active Udaltsov and Limonov.

This is the most promising direction of humanity, even despite the collapse of the Soviet Union. You can discuss for a long time about Swedish socialism, the Chinese way of development, and in returning to a planned economy, and the liberals will add some sarcastically about the experience of North Korea and Cuba. But here you can still feel, if not the truth, then almost the truth with the truth. Something is being sensed ... No wonder that movements such as the Venus Project, etc., are gaining popularity in the world. I know that many do not like Kurginyan, but as for me, this is his best performance, academic and scientific substantiation of the disastrous model of today's society, the world order with a smooth transition to something new than just socialism, or neo-socialism. I recommend for viewing, in time almost 45 minutes, as a school lesson:



Left movement gives Russia a chance to hold out and grow stronger without a nationalistic factor.

3.Liberalism. Today, with horror, I think I was once a liberal. Well, the fool learns from his mistakes. Perhaps the only direction that is convinced that no information warfare or conspiracy is being waged against Russia. The world is waiting like God's dandelion when Russia will have 100% with market relations, to honestly compete with it in the world market, to hold gay parades together, to give everyone freedom from a Russian drunkard, even Karelia and other small nations. After all, so many small nations live in Russia, there are so many scenarios, in Syria there is only something: Alawites, Sunnis, Kurds and Christians, and here there is an uncultivated field for democracy. "Russia is a prison of nations" - I was told on subjects stories Ukrainian teacher with a Russian name. Forgive me, please, that every time I accent in articles on the Ukrainian trail, alas, this is my prism of perception on the Russian world from Ukraine. Although I heard, in Russia there are also such Russians who want and urge to abandon certain territories. Liberals ... liberals ... liberals ... in pursuit of the rights of people in the twentieth century, they drove part of the world into regression, degradation and decline. And who will carry out the next stage of the information and technical revolution, when a white man dies here, now, and here:



Perhaps Arabs, Chinese or Indians will land on Mars? What is so good about liberalism, that intellectuals, scientists and, of course, the creative class get stuck there? Here, read my repentance:

Confession of a Russian Orangeman in Ukraine

In general, liberalism in the view of the classical liberal can be expressed in tags: civil society, independent courts, transparent rules of the game for business, human rights, etc. For those liberals who still did not read my article "The Confession of a Russian Orangeman in Ukraine ... Repentance and Renunciation of Liberalism" I will also answer with tags and in the same manner, since the creative class perceives reflexive information: Anglo-Saxon or Roman-German the right, petty bourgeoisie and judging for the Russians, freedom for sinners. Hmm ... I’m a little bit, I think, became on someone’s positions and dogmas, I apologize. I'm just not a liberal, I killed everything in myself there.

4. Orthodoxy .... Not only 1917 year we are one! Our history is more than 1000 years old, it is only according to official historical data. What unites Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians? Language, culture and faith in God. Orthodox Faith. It is the Russian Orthodox Church that is the only public institution that has remained from the old Russia, and operates regardless of borders. As Putin mentioned in his message to the Federal Assembly, the society will require spiritual braces. Nobility and mercy. It is hard to disagree with this against the background of the fall of culture and morality in society, the growth of crime. Unfortunately, even the majority of supporters of the USSR even noted that the persecution of the Church by the Soviet authorities was a mistake. Another question would be the USSR, the Union, if the Church were concessions? Nevertheless, under Stalin, coexistence was possible. There are such Orthodox pages, from which the liberals will clutch at the head, but most of the citizens and Russians consider this symbiosis logical, correct, true and necessary now:

Orthodox Tsar Stalin

You know, having plunged into this world of spirituality, you also agree with them. It is necessary, it is necessary ... Unfortunately or fortunately, when you immerse yourself in this pure and spiritual world of the Lord God, you encounter so many things and people that you cannot distinguish between where the truth is and where it is a lie. Therefore, it is easier and better to go to church. After all, the Internet has flooded hundreds of Orthodox sites and videos, where some clerics call for supporting official Russia: the President, the Head of the Russian Orthodox Church and other authorities, others, on the contrary, even more reasonably and convincingly assert that the Russian Land is under the yoke: the Antichrist, the Freemasons, the Ecumenists. If the videos where Patriarch Kirill drives an elite Mercedes can be relived, then so many make you think and get stuck there:



Good or bad, I don’t know, the Russian people are completely confused.

5. Slavic Idea. Veda. Frankly, when I got acquainted with this area, I almost flew off the brain. The same: convincing, convincing and clear. And most importantly, everything also logically fits into the historical processes. Separate attention deserve the concept: "22 priest of the hierophant" of Egypt. "From Egypt to Stalin".



The banner of these areas is, unfortunately, the deceased general Petrov Konstantin Pavlovich.

Hobbies and search for truth: Aglo-Saxons, masons, Illuminati, and reptilians are to blame for everything: These trends provide some answers to the causes of conflicts in the world, the dollar, and the US state, as a project of masons. Naturally, everything is built convincingly and again logical from the point of view of historical processes when compared.

6. Reptiles



7.Masons:



8. Anglo-Saxons:



9. Bureaucratic and evolutionary path of development in Russia of officials, by squeezing the anti-people officials, henchmen of other countries. According to Fedorov, most of the deputies and officials with business are in the jurisdiction of Western countries, and they are under the hood. But little by little, step by step, they are squeezed out of the country or turn into normal patriotic officials. Do you believe in this miracle? Deputy Yevgeny Fedorov, - yes! A very interesting and informative conversation, as they say, if everyone in the “United Russia” party were such, probably another would be a country. I watch all his interviews completely. Critics say that this is a project of the Kremlin, so that people let off steam, and Fedorov allegedly just opens the lid of the people's anger. Again, everything is very correct and reasonable, he says. And the transfer of the capital to Kiev, generally bury the Austrian project "Ukraine", I recommend for viewing:



10. On the restoration of the monarchy within the boundaries of historical Russia:



This is where people live on the web, live on these ideas, who work a little, of course. Even a slight acquaintance with one of these areas is very time consuming and time consuming. And free time from work and household chores. Many of them are interrelated. Well, the main questions are: "Which of them is false?" "Which is the right path?" And a couple more: "How to bring everyone to a common denominator?" Maybe in vain the Internet came up? 20 years have passed since the collapse of the Great Country. This is more than unrest, post-war time to recover, etc. But time is accelerating, information flows are increasing, the dynamics of life is faster than 50 and more years ago, and we are on the contrary lingering. Is it time for us to somehow take shape or something? How can? Or we can not and do not need?

P.S. Interesting tooand everything, as always, is really correct:



Finale

To be honest, we all know this a long time ago, let's create and change reality, how many more analytical clips, both true and distracting, will be ahead?

Oh yeah, you need to choose someone’s plan and model of society as a basis ... (I’ll go refreshing in the winter air ...) hi In the meantime, we will choose and comment, another Russia is born without our consent:



And she will have her top list:

1. Salafism
2. Wahhabism.
3. Secular Islam.

Sad ... :(
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  1. bask
    +30
    3 January 2013 07: 54
    I repeat ... ONLY THE UNION OF RUSSIA OF UKRAINE AND BELARUS INTO A UNITED STATE .. ON THE BASIS .. 1 ORTHODOX .2 CULTURE 3 HISTORY 4. GENERAL LANGUAGE. 5. GENERAL THINKING AND PSYCHOLOGY. 6 GENERAL CONSIDERATION. ...
    1. +15
      3 January 2013 07: 59
      Unification should not be limited to Belarus, Russia and Ukraine. It is necessary to restore the integrity of the territory of the entire former Russia, including Finland. This should be the main and undeniable priority in the long run.
      1. +4
        3 January 2013 08: 11
        Quote: Hippo
        It is necessary to restore the integrity of the territory of the entire former Russia

        The only thing you need is excl. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia! Here we obviously do not need THIS!
        1. Siberian
          +6
          3 January 2013 08: 43
          and Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan at the same time ... And Georgia and Azerbaijan too ...
          1. Warrawar
            -9
            3 January 2013 12: 00
            And Ukraine too!
            1. MG42
              +5
              4 January 2013 04: 43
              Quote: Warrawar
              And Ukraine too!

              You will listen to such figures = so for you the world within the garden ring = "land gatherers" feel negative
        2. +5
          3 January 2013 09: 47
          tronin.maxim,
          The only thing you need is excl. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia! Here we obviously do not need THIS!

          By the time it is necessary to connect the Baltic states, all the Baltic states will live in a civilized and tolerant Scandinavia.
        3. +12
          3 January 2013 11: 48
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          The only thing you need is excl. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia! Here we obviously do not need THIS!


          Greetings! hi

          03.01.2013 11: 01: In Latvia, a dispute erupted between politicians over the film "The Irony of Fate"

          Nationalists are asking not to show this film on New Year's, so as not to impose Soviet thinking. Their opponents, in turn, see this as an attempt to revive censorship. The discussion began with a Facebook post by a former high-ranking official of the Latvian Foreign Ministry Normunds Vasarins. In his opinion, the Latvian society will become truly Western only when it stops admiring the film Irony of Fate, or Enjoy Your Bath! "Vasarins thinks that it is better to watch Western films on New Year's holidays," since they are not infected with Soviet thinking and nostalgia. " ... This recording has unexpectedly caused a violent reaction. As reported by RIA Novosti, one of the leaders of the For Native Language party, Illarion Girs, who defends the rights of the Russian-speaking minority, said that Latvian nationalists were simply nervous about everything Soviet. And especially the standard of living shown in Ryazanov's film - inhabitants of Latvia can only dream of such things since the collapse of the Union, Girs considers. The vice speaker of the Sejm Andrei Klementyev also interceded for the film - according to him, a statement about Ryazanov’s film it is an attempt to introduce censorship. Eldar Ryazanov's film "The Irony of Fate, or Enjoy Your Bath!" on New Year's Eve they showed almost all major tv channels in Latvia. ...

          http://segodnya.novostimira.com/n_3868463.html

          conclusion, then not all is lost and there is hope !!! fellow
          1. +10
            3 January 2013 11: 59
            Quote: Apollon
            In his opinion, the Latvian society will become truly Western only when it stops admiring the film The Irony of Fate, or Enjoy Your Bath! "

            This is what prevents their society from becoming European laughing
            Quote: Apollon
            Vasarins believes that on New Year's holidays it is better to watch Western films

            That's right, let them watch Brokeback Mountain
            Quote: Apollon
            And especially the standard of living shown in Ryazanov’s film - this is what residents of Latvia can only dream of since the collapse of the Union, Girs said.

            Well, the way to the WEST or dreams come true at a trough.
            1. +7
              3 January 2013 12: 10
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, the way to the WEST or dreams come true at a trough.


              Greetings, Alexander! hi

              Whether the Balts want it or not, well, they will not go anywhere, the West is far away and Russia is nearby. A prosperous and economically strong Russia will be the LIGHT for all post-Soviet countries. IMHO
              1. +5
                3 January 2013 12: 16
                Quote: Apollon
                The West is far away and Russia is nearby.

                Hello Apollon. The problem is that politicians with the power of the media can influence the masses. When there is an independent press and TV, only then will people be able to compare what's what. Although the Internet helps a lot in many things now. Slogans are slogans. and always want to eat hi
                1. +4
                  3 January 2013 12: 22
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  and helps a lot to figure it out now.


                  patience and tact - as Kalugina said from the movie "Office Romance"

                  and the Balts will change their minds everything is compared. The higher the standard of living in Russia will be. The faster the Balts will realize the fallacy of the course of their governments. IMHO
                  1. Cavas
                    +4
                    3 January 2013 12: 27
                    Quote: Apollon
                    and the Balts will change their minds

                    Even let them not think, when I was with them, I was in shock!
                    We have lines, and they only have from Friday to Saturday and then only to the restaurant (this was still in the Union) !!!
                  2. +3
                    3 January 2013 12: 28
                    Quote: Apollon
                    The higher will be the standard of living in Russia.

                    The standard of living in Russia will not be of great importance, but the collapse of the Western economy and morality will make many think, not politicians, but ordinary citizens.
                    1. +2
                      3 January 2013 12: 59
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      but the collapse of the western economy



                      the article "Mikhail Khazin: Reality given in sensations" was published on the forum after your quote, I get the impression that the article was not written by Mikhail but you are Romanov! wassat
            2. mda
              mda
              +1
              3 January 2013 12: 55
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              This is what prevents their society from becoming European

              When they refuse Russian and Soviet films, something will interfere with them again.
              And by the way, did the Baltic want to go to the geyropu, why haven’t they allowed gay marriage?
            3. nickname 1 and 2
              0
              4 January 2013 11: 49
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              This is what prevents their society from becoming European
              = I suspect: there isn’t any society there ... so - some kind of fashion, stupidity, blindness. Observed old, former. Believed in its exclusivity. With such expressions, one should roughly describe, then, a stray herd of the most active human individuals that sets the tone, type of behavior. These are the same screamers, demagogues, always dissatisfied with everything, disagree with everything. These are worthless little people, not really knowing anything.
              Humanity must develop immunity from such "goats".
        4. mda
          mda
          +1
          3 January 2013 12: 50
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          Here we obviously do not need THIS!

          Yes, send the Baltic states to Siberia, let them master the territory of Russia.
      2. Sergh
        +10
        3 January 2013 08: 12
        Quote: Hippo
        It is necessary to restore the integrity of the territory of the entire former Russia, including Finland.

        Oh, yes, you shto, my friend, provoke us? But what about the people of Finland ... do you think you already agree? Cunningly, cunningly at you it turns out. Want to bring a monastery? This is troublesome! We won’t be fooled by this nonsense, scream, and there’s no reason, our territories are enough.
        And you, Finns, if-what, referendum, i.e. by agreement, or how. Everything according to the law should be.
        1. +5
          3 January 2013 08: 14
          No, Finland will not agree! She lives well without us! No.
          1. Sergh
            +1
            3 January 2013 08: 24
            Quote: tronin.maxim
            No, Finland will not agree! She lives well without us!

            Yes, right, right, I am with you Tronin. Maxim completely agree. Yes, and what for we need it, there is nothing but one ski mountain (figuratively). Well, that’s not the question, the question is different, like, how to contain our fifth column, aligarchs, etc., again.
            Putin will tear off the central bank, then I will say: "cool", but for now, just great!
            1. +3
              3 January 2013 08: 29
              Quote: Sergh
              Putin will tear off the central bank, then I will say: "cool", but for now, just great!

              At the expense of Putin must be patient! Everything has its time! (which I have not had for a long time!)
          2. +2
            3 January 2013 09: 41
            Quote: tronin.maxim
            No, Finland will not agree! She lives well without us!
            What again to collect whom to live x ... in and then they will eat fat and again we are invaders? I think you need something else
            1. mda
              mda
              +1
              3 January 2013 12: 59
              Quote: Tambourine 2012
              What again to collect whom to live x ... in and then they will eat fat and again we are invaders?

              It’s just impossible to repeat the mistakes of our ancestors. We must keep them on a short leash.
              1. s1н7т
                0
                4 January 2013 02: 17
                Quote: mda-a
                We must keep them on a short leash.

                There is only one "leash" - assimilation. Who does not want - reservation.
          3. Misantrop
            +2
            4 January 2013 00: 52
            Quote: tronin.maxim
            Finland will not agree! She lives well without us!

            This good life will be exactly until the Gulf Stream rises. And then there’s a choice: whether to hibernate or where to thread, where it’s warmer, ask. Europe will definitely send them; with all of Scandinavia and the Little Britons, it will be above their head
        2. Kaa
          +6
          3 January 2013 09: 41
          Quote: Sergh
          But what about the people of Finland ..., you think I already agree

          Well, someone thinks that way there, I don’t know, while I was wondering how much, but if the EU would continue to shake in Greek ...
          “Let's unite with Russia,” writes the famous and influential Lapland politician Hemmo Koskiniemi, a former member of the Rovaniemi City Council from the True Finns party. Koskiniemi is unhappy that the “bourgeois elite of Finland” wants to unite the country with the Eurofederation: “ If Finland has to join something bigger, why not Russia? "In his opinion, Russia and Asia will be Finland's most important trade partners. Well-known politician of the True Finns party, deputy of the Finnish parliament Juho Eerola agrees. "What if we join in a defensive alliance with Russia? No one will ever attack us," Eerola wrote on his Facebook page. In his opinion, this would allow Finland to receive oil and gas at a favorable price, and create with Russia special economic zones. "" True Finns "are Finnish patriots, for whom the main enemies are the EU and NATO. Some" True Finns "are even ready to fight them by joining Finland ai in Russia. Apparently for them the ideal solution to the “Karelian issue” is also to annex Finland to Russia. In many respects, “True Finns” are right - after all, Finland, as part of the Russian Empire as the Grand Duchy of Finland, had the most independence - we had our own currency, customs, citizenship and our own Swedish laws - there were much fewer Russians living in Finland then than today ”, - Finnish human rights activist Johan Beckman commented to IA REX on the statements of Koskiniemi and Eerola "http://www.iarex.ru/news/32591.html.
          1. Baboon
            +4
            3 January 2013 09: 56
            I have not heard about the true Finns, but really Finland had its own currency, they did not pay the Constitution and taxes, they did not even draft them into the army. Voluntarily could go to the Russian army and make a career, like General Mannerheim. The Poles are pinning me the same thing, but they raised uprisings.
          2. +3
            3 January 2013 10: 07
            Bravo! Acquisition or accession, but only through the economy.
          3. +3
            3 January 2013 19: 43
            I don't know how the Finnish Natsiks are going to solve the "Karelian question", or to chop off Vyborg (Viipuri) back))). But, as a resident of St. Petersburg (Pietari))), who often visits Finland (just like that, for exercise), I will express my opinion:

            1. Finns don't like Russians. Two "unnecessary" wars cannot be erased from history yet.
            2. Finns respect Russians - they know how to fight well, but were very beaten.
            3. The Finns are anxious about their statehood. They are realistic, so I didn’t especially notice the monuments to the Swedish kings in Finland, but Alexander the Second for the Finns is the founder of their state.
            4. Well, a little bit of lyrics. While on an excursion in the Finnish city of Porvo, I heard a legend (or maybe it was so?))) That he was one of the very pretty local Swedish noblewomen from the provincial Swedish provinces that he created the Grand Duchy for her Finnish. So, a present to a beautiful girl laughing
        3. Captain
          0
          3 January 2013 09: 49
          Some representatives of the “True Finns” have recently stated that it would be useful for them to unite their homeland with Russia. “Let's connect with Russia,” writes Hemmo Koskiniemi, a well-known and influential Lapland politician, a former member of the City Council of Rovaniemi from the True Finns party. Koskiniemi is unhappy that the “bourgeois elite of Finland” wants to connect the country with the European Federation: “If Finland has to join something more, why not Russia?” In his opinion, Russia and Asia will be Finland's most important trade partners.
      3. Siberian
        0
        3 January 2013 08: 45
        Quote: Hippo
        It is necessary to restore the integrity of the territory of the entire former Russia, including Finland

        But will Finland be joined by plebeiscite (referendum) or in the old-fashioned way?
        1. mda
          mda
          +1
          3 January 2013 13: 02
          Quote: SIBERIAN
          But will Finland be joined by plebeiscite (referendum) or in the old-fashioned way?

          Let's first in the old fashioned way, and then a referendum, if you do not agree, the army will be there.
          1. Kaa
            +4
            3 January 2013 19: 01
            Quote: mda-a
            Let's first in the old fashioned way, and then a referendum-

            "Wolf to Little Red Riding Hood - In short, Hat, choose - merger or absorption" laughing
      4. +4
        3 January 2013 09: 51
        Finland can be annexed to Russia only if something else happens or is captured by military means. In Finland, nationalism is now on the rise, which manifests itself in a dislike for Russians, Russia and everything Russian. There are pogroms of "Russian houses" and houses bought by Russians. The unification of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine is also impossible. The reason is as simple as the world. The ambitions of the top, political, nationalist and oligarchic. Putin and Russia do not need Ukraine, which is torn between East and West, with its killed infrastructure and killed enterprises, of which all survived. Belarus has its own problems, and the main one is Old Man. He's like a dog in the manger. And I myself will not give to you and to others. This is on the one hand, but on the other, he acts wisely. Either Russia asks for money and goes to rapprochement with it, then the West "licks its ass" and that will give it money. If the unification of our republics does take place, it will not be in this life, not with this political elite, no matter how much we want it. Central Asia and Kazakhstan Transcaucasia will never be closer to Russia at all. In Middle Asia and Kazakhstan, the mentality of the rulers is completely different. If they, the rulers, have become in power, then they will never give it up for anything. (Karimov in Uzbekistan, Nazarbayev in Kazakhstan, etc.). Transcaucasia, with the exception of Armenia, is even further from Russia. Azerbaijan has long taken a course of rapprochement with the United States and the West, Georgia - everything is clear with her, Armenia is with us now, but it is worth changing Russia's position on Nagorno-Karabakh, and Armenia will immediately jump from Russia to whoever will support it in this matter ... As much as we would like to unite, but this is a very long process. Running away is always easier. And in Russia, not everything is all right. In Tatarstan and Bashkiria, the positions of the Islamists - the Wahhzabites have become strong, which is shown by recent events. An underground, terrorist war is still going on in the Caucasus. Even in the Far East - Primorsky Krai - has already announced that it will secede from Russia in the event of a ban on right-handed cars, a reduction in funding, etc. ... Even in Yakutia, nationalists raised their heads. So, to begin with, it is necessary that in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus everything "settle down", and only then talk about unification. Whether anyone likes it or not. Just don’t blame me for liberalism or anything else. Russia is my home, I was born here, here are my children, grandchildren, and I am sick with my heart for Russia, but the reality is this.
        1. Baboon
          +1
          3 January 2013 10: 01
          Have you been to Kazakhstan yourself? About half of the Russians live there, one can argue about the mentality.
          1. Dr.oPaSaYn
            +1
            3 January 2013 13: 53
            smile Gentlemen mentality nothing to do with it, the train of thought (which is the mentality) can be controlled quite successfully, to impose on people that it should be so simple, Russia is like a germ that needs to be watched otherwise it will die and the national idea should be SCIENCE look around European UNION, UNITED states of america ....... we need CAC
            SAU
            Slavic-Asian Union
            1. s1н7т
              -1
              4 January 2013 02: 25
              Quote: Dr.oPaSaYn
              we need CAC
              SAU
              Slavic-Asian Union

              Shopipets, innovator !! Now what do we have?
              And it is worth reading what a "national idea" is laughing
          2. Kaa
            +1
            3 January 2013 19: 04
            Quote: starshina78
            Putin, and Russia, do not need Ukraine

            Quote: Babon
            you can argue about the mentality.

            Yes, to argue, a person speaks on behalf of GDP and all residents, you need to understand soldier
    2. +2
      3 January 2013 08: 24
      Quote: bask
      . ONLY THE UNION OF RUSSIA OF UKRAINE AND BELARUS INTO A UNITED STATE .. ON THE BASIS .. 1 ORTHODOX .2 CULTURE 3 HISTORY 4. GENERAL LANGUAGE. 5. GENERAL THINKING AND PSYCHOLOGY. 6 GENERAL CONSEQUENT.
      I share, but with the exception of paragraph 1. The state should be secular.
      1. s1н7т
        0
        4 January 2013 02: 28
        Quote: arkady149
        I share, but with the exception of paragraph 1

        So point 6 is strange, it gives away the genocide of the non-Slavs already living here, and especially not the Russians (who is this at all?)!
    3. -1
      3 January 2013 09: 26
      again looking for ideas .. and where is the most important "idea" based on formal logic and common sense ?! just the quality of life of a single family ... history does not teach us anything
      1. Kaa
        +4
        3 January 2013 10: 07
        Quote: Civil
        where is the most important "idea" based on formal logic and common sense

        I propose - "The Russian Empire, the RSFSR, the USSR and the Russian Federation are one and the same participant in interstate relations, the same subject of international law, which has not ceased to exist, and is continuous."
        The author put everything on the shelves -http: //sd.net.ua/2005/01/06/javljaetsja_li_rossija_prodolzhatelem_ili_pravopree
        mnikom_sssr.html
      2. s1н7т
        0
        4 January 2013 02: 30
        I don't see any formal logic or common sense! Is it like - every man for himself? Fucking "idea"!
    4. botur2013
      +1
      3 January 2013 10: 20
      ONLY FOR! AND ONCE AGAIN FOR! POWER IN ONE!
    5. 0
      3 January 2013 10: 30
      Quote: bask
      ... ONLY UNITING RUSSIA OF UKRAINE AND BELARUS INTO A UNITED STATE ..

      right thoughts. I’ll add that the entry should be by mutual agreement. then immediately many ethnic conflicts in the post-Soviet space will disappear
    6. S_mirnov
      +9
      3 January 2013 10: 39
      "ONLY UNION OF RUSSIA, UKRAINE AND BELARUS" is a competent thought comrade. Basque. Only before uniting is it necessary to heal. Russia now resembles a person infected with an infectious disease and this disease is corruption and oligarchs, we have successfully destroyed our heavy industry, primarily through the efforts of oligarchs - friends of GDP. Unlike Russia, Belarus has retained its heavy industry and giving our oligarchs access to Belarusian factories cannot be otherwise destroyed.
      Our state is puffed up to create a new national idea by mixing the ideology of personal gain and liquid Orthodoxy, only this mixture is rejected by the Russian people. How to replace the holistic worldview of Soviet Man? I think Sergey Kara-Murza writes about this best of all. I consider him an outstanding philosopher of our time, I recommend reading.
      1. +4
        3 January 2013 11: 42
        Quote: S_mirnov
        Our state is puffed up to create a new national idea by mixing the ideology of personal gain and liquid Orthodoxy, only this mixture is rejected by the Russian people. How to replace the holistic worldview of Soviet Man?


        The fact is that almost all the so-called ideologies are imposed on the Russian people from outside, that is, they are parasitic stillborn and are rejected by the national consciousness.
        Liberal propagandists and not only liberals stubbornly do not want to notice that against the background of their efforts to search for a national idea, the pre-revolutionary experience when there were no problems finding a national idea Until 1917, there was a national idea in Russia that had a simple and accurate official wording: "Orthodoxy, Autocracy, Nationality." This formula was broadcast to the Orthodox people less officially: “For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland!”. There were also inseparable from the main idea of ​​its projection, one of the most successful projections should be recognized foreign policy concept "Moscow - The Third Rome."
        The king, as the Anointed of God, acted as the defender of the Faith and the Fatherland; the people looked at the King as the representative of God on earth, sought obedience to him and kept their Faith clean; The Orthodox Faith through the Church spiritually nourished and strengthened both the Tsar and the people. Everything pervaded the idea of ​​Service.
        As a result of this triune existence and continuous development, a miracle happened, inexplicable from the standpoint of materialism: in adverse conditions of the north of the Eurasian continent a powerful state was formed that has a huge territory and is able to break off horns (both literally and figuratively) encroaching on its sovereignty to the conquerors.
        As a result of the destruction of this idea, our state became a springboard. And the Russian people are just a material resource for the implementation of various theories and programs that have nothing to do with historical national idea.. what is the example of this article.
        Historical Russia it collapsed and in its place first Communist Russia was formed, then Liberal Russia, and in the future IMHO I am confident that almost 100% is waiting for us next transition to socialism but this time, to national, and not to the international (communist).
        Why such a scenario is most likely seen from the scheme
        before us are three Russia: liberal, communist, and nationalist
        It can be seen that as a result of the aforementioned parasitism, out of all the diversity of the original properties and capabilities of historical Russia, each "new" Russia leaves only one third, while for the remaining third there is clearly a loss of purpose, as a result of which an element of the national idea is embodied in a distorted, ugly form ... So, for example, personal freedom, which is most fully revealed in Orthodoxy, is eliminated in the nationalist and communist version, and in the liberal version it turns into a dead and, in fact, spiritless tolerance.
        It turns out that two of the three Russia had a place to be, the third remains in line, But for this it is being implemented
        1. Salafism
        2. Wahhabism.
        3. Secular Islam.

        It's sad ...:
        1. +8
          3 January 2013 12: 07
          Why such a tolerant attitude towards unfriendly migration?
          For example, from the latest acts of the government, or rather half measures in no way affecting the solution of this problem
          MOSCOW, Dec 31 - RIA News. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the law, increasing from five to seven years in prison punishment for organizing illegal migration. The document is posted on the legal information portal

          My webpage

          Because the emerging clan of the big national bourgeoisie (who are called statesmen), in order to fully come to power and get rid of the clan of Western-oriented liberals, two problems need to be solved - to ensure the confidence of the people as the only saviors of the nation from the dominance of alien elements (to bring the problem of migrants to an explosive state ) and in the wake of this trust, fully establish control of state monopolies in the form of national socialism, which in essence is a state-monopoly capitalism as opposed to transnational American globalism.
          Everyone understands well at the top, including that the liberal system is rotten and sooner or later it will collapse. And in order to fully concentrate property in their hands and ensure its legitimacy for the purpose of inheritance, you need to change this system of dependence on the West (they can be taken away at any time). And for these purposes, the most suitable system state capitalism based on the idea of ​​national socialism.. However, this is my purely personal opinion, but the fact that the new Putin clan of owners will solve this problem of maintaining power and property on the one hand from the influence of American masters and on the other hand ensuring its legitimacy in the eyes of the people is an undeniable fact.
          1. Cavas
            +2
            3 January 2013 12: 12
            Quote: Ascetic
            Ascetic

            Well brother, it struck you !!!! good wassat
            1. +6
              3 January 2013 13: 56
              Quote: Cavas
              Well brother, it struck you !!!!


              In general, I spoke with many truly Orthodox believers who were not baptized monarchists, namely BELIEVERS. So they unanimously say that the murder of the Tsar (the anointed of God) was the greatest crime against God and the punishment of Russia and until power in God restores in Russia in the Russian Orthodox people UNITY. That is, it is not a matter of the monarchy as a form of government, namely, the spirituality or divine legitimacy of power. That is, in any case, the principle of the RICHNESS of power in Russia and, therefore, its PEOPLE, must prevail. And when you ask them a question, where will this power come from? They refer to Divine Providence .. That's it .. Maybe they are right?
              In this context, one can trace how destroyed our statehood from within. Sincerely, no one was able to destroy and God forbid not succeed (although hope in God, but do not condone yourself).
              First tangible blow was inflicted by Faith, when the heresy of Judeo-Christianity penetrated into Russia, the so-called The Novgorod-Moscow heresy of the 15th century (the non-recognition of the divine nature of Jesus Christ and the denial of the dogmas associated with this, as well as following certain ritual precepts of Judaism.), It was overcome by the Cathedral 1504 and defeated by Tsar Ivan III
              Second hit came over the Tsar when the Rurik dynasty was suppressed and the Time of Troubles began. However, the Russian people, showing miracles of steadfastness and courage, restored the monarchy.
              The third and most devastating blow occurred as a result of the fall of the monarchy into absolutism, which occurred under Peter the Great. Absolute monarchs inflicted several blows on the Church (abolition of patriarchate, seizure of church property, closure of monasteries and church schools) and provided ample opportunities for the penetration of Protestantism, after which atheistic teachings began to appear and strengthen (humanism, nihilism, liberalism, socialism, etc.) P.). As a result, Vera staggered and began to lose its influence on the people.
              In the end, proponents of democracy and the Western enemies of Russia, who spoke on a united front, first overthrew and then killed the Tsar and the members of the Dynasty that remained in Russia, after which finally destroyed Russian historical statehood
              So in a nutshell, believers evaluate the situation with the destruction of the national idea
              1. Cavas
                +1
                3 January 2013 14: 03
                Quote: Ascetic
                I generally talked

                Ascetic hi please do not ship now! drinks
                But you will be at Mashzavod, and I think that you will be there, call ...
                Let's go with you to the hot spots of our city !!!
              2. +3
                4 January 2013 00: 25
                Ascetic,
                In general, I communicated with many truly Orthodox believers who were not church monarchists, namely BELIEVERS, So they unanimously say that the murder of the Tsar (the anointed of God) was the greatest crime against God and the punishment of Russia and until power in God is restored in the Russian Orthodox people UNITY.

                Dear Ascetic! In this matter, not everything is so simple. The murder of Nicholas II was largely ritual, satanic. You must have heard that the Illuminati are, by ideology, Satanists. Many of their orders, such as Skull and Bones, etc. worship Satan. This is their god. By the way, Jesus spoke about this.
                And the essence of those events ("revolution", civil war, etc.) - the ritual destruction of the ancient Russian Empire, the eternal enemy of the descendants of the dark priesthood of the Atlanteans - that is, the spiritual confrontation between Light and Darkness. Now it is clearer in the form of the Anglo-Saxon world (descendants of the Atlanteans) and the Slavic world. And here we are talking about the fact that many predictors from Vanga, Casey and to the Russian elders - Russia is the heart of Mother Earth. Therefore, the Mother of God is revered in our country, who is responsible for Russia, and among our ancient ancestors the goddess Lada.
                If you try to take a deeper look at this difficult question, we are talking about the revival of the true qualities of the Russian people, such as honor, justice and nobility - that can save our lost Earth civilization. This is in our genes from our ancestors, about which Samsonov Alexander writes very carefully here. And neither Europe nor Asia — no one except Russia offers this. The descendant is right colleague Smirnov. We must purify ourselves morally and spiritually and then bring our true Light to other nations. Precisely according to Vanga and other seers. No one else but us is ready to do this.
                1. +1
                  4 January 2013 01: 11
                  I offer a clear and natural picture, especially since everything is exactly the way .......
                  Our Motherland is not governments or parties, political systems that are topical by the time, or religious trends, in any form ....
                  These are just images in which She manifests herself as necessary, alternating inevitably.
                  Nothing stands still, but turns into circles ....
                  Our country, like a large and strong tree, green in spring, cooling in the shade of its travelers in the summer, bringing a bountiful harvest in the fall, and shedding dry, incapable of further growth in the fall .....
                  The fruits of the past abundance will be enough until next spring, and we have enough accumulated wealth to survive the dashing years ....
                  Now spring, my friends, is it not because the birth rate is booming again because it has fertilized the soil and watered, and new leaves are in a hurry to be born ....
                  .................................
                  And to whom such a picture is incomprehensible, or not close, let them continue to talk about parties, governments, dollars, conspiracies, past grievances, and unfulfilled hopes. Let them say that the Union collapsed, the USSR died, that we lost in the Cold War, that something there could not stand the test of time and other absurdities.
                  The tree does not regret the fallen leaves, it always knows that new, fresh, and full lives will replace them!
                  And the fallen leaves only fertilize the soil.
                  And this goes on forever.
                2. s1н7т
                  -1
                  4 January 2013 02: 44
                  Quote: Ross
                  We must purify ourselves morally and spiritually, and then bring our true Light to other nations.

                  Shopipets, madhouse! Some bring "democracy", others gathered to carry the "true Light"! And other peoples do not ask either - they need it ?! laughing
              3. -1
                4 January 2013 01: 08
                Ascetic
                In the end, proponents of democracy and the Western enemies of Russia, who stood out on a united front, first overthrew and then killed the Tsar and the remaining members of the Dynasty in Russia, after which they finally destroyed Russian historical statehood...........

                The ironic logic of such reasoning is easily broken by the fact of the presence of a certain prediction made by one of the kings for more than 100 years by the inspired monk about the future of the autocratic power and the fate of all its heirs, with all the relevant details and comments .........
        2. S_mirnov
          +7
          3 January 2013 13: 50
          You are oozing tsarist Russia too "before 1917, there was a national idea in Russia that had a simple and precise official formulation:" Orthodoxy, Autocracy, Nationality. " The bourgeois revolution that took place first and then the socialist revolution in Russia makes it clear that this idea did not unite the Russian people. If the people have a clear national idea and an integral worldview, then the state is strong and integral, an example of this is the Great Patriotic War. And when the government is cut off from the people and still strives to disorganize this people by destroying the usual and generally understood criteria of good and evil, that state is such that a house of cards and any external influence, be it the Orange Revolution or the State Department's influence, shake the state to its foundations. This is what we see in modern Russia.
          1. +6
            3 January 2013 14: 54
            Quote: S_mirnov
            You will odealise tsarist Russia too much "before 1917


            Quote: S_mirnov
            And when the power is divorced from the people and still strive to disorganize these people by destroying the usual and generally understood criteria of good and evil, that state is such that the house of cards and any external influence, whether it be the Orange Revolution or the State Department influence, shock the state to the ground. What we observe in modern Russia.


            I do not idealize pre-revolutionary Russia. We are talking about the same thing that the destruction of statehood, power, faith, ideology, traditions is happening from within, through the imposition of an alien ideology of faith, an alien way of life. Any power that comes with the destroyers knowingly or not(this is a completely different question about which a lot of copies are broken here) is inevitably doomed in a historical perspective. An example is Tsar Nikolai (who was not a traitor in nature and did not want the collapse of Russia) and the opposite example of Gorbachev who was both. The whole difference is that you consider the current government as treacherous as the Gorbachev and EBNovskaya, and I do not consider Putin to be treacherous, it’s another matter that in LIBERAL Russia even the most patriotic government will still be illegitimate in the eyes of the people. This is the contradiction of today - on the one hand, strengthening the statehood and national priorities of Russia in the world, open confrontation with the West, on the other hand, is still a liberal economy oriented towards consumption, the same liberal reforms in the social sphere that do not lead to anything useful , corruption, and practically the entire system of private capital working not for development but for the export of raw materials and capital abroad. There is a contradiction to the stated goals and methods for their implementation
        3. s1н7т
          0
          4 January 2013 02: 39
          Quote: Ascetic
          Until 1917, there was a national idea in Russia that had a simple and accurate official wording: "Orthodoxy, Autocracy, Nationality."


          Quote from Wiki: "The national idea determines the meaning of the existence of this or that people, ethnos or nation ..."
          It would seem, what does Orthodoxy, autocracy?
          If we confuse the warm with the solid, then the rest does not make sense to read laughing
      2. +7
        3 January 2013 11: 48
        S_mirnov,

        Only before uniting it is necessary to be cured. Russia now resembles a person infected with an infectious disease


        The thought is good and correct. Only by personal example can we captivate people. Recall Stalin. The successes of the USSR became the main weapon in the information war of that time and the growth of socialist movements around the world.
        Let’s transform our native Russia, thereby showing an example to the brothers Ukrainians and Belarusians, and to other parts of our common Motherland.
        1. s1н7т
          0
          4 January 2013 02: 49
          Quote: Ross
          Transform native Russia

          After another 12 years of this power, the country will not be recognized, for sure!
          Did you mean this, I was not mistaken? laughing
      3. sq
        +7
        3 January 2013 11: 59
        Quote: S_mirnov
        giving our oligarchs access to Belarusian plants cannot be destroyed otherwise.

        Gold words. They answer the words foremen78Belarus has its own problems, and the main one is Old Man. He's like a dog in the manger. And I myself will not give to you and to others. This is on the one hand, but on the other, he acts wisely. Either asks Russia to give money and goes to rapprochement with it, then the West "licks its ass" and that will give it money
        I am not an ardent supporter of Lukashenka, BUT it’s a no brainer that he works not only for his own pocket. How many times has he called, they say, Russian investors come, buy out enterprises, invest money, make a profit, BUT AGAIN "BUT". To pump profits with great pleasure, to buy enterprises - only highly profitable such as Belaruskali and at bargain prices, or better for free, to invest money - NO-FOR-WHAT AND NO-ANY-YES. The question is - are such "investors" needed?
      4. Don
        +3
        3 January 2013 14: 07
        Quote: S_mirnov
        we have successfully destroyed our heavy industry, primarily through the efforts of oligarchs - friends of GDP.

        Comrade Smirnov, we have already discussed this topic with you. Are you tired of writing nonsense again?
        1. S_mirnov
          -1
          3 January 2013 14: 52
          Probably in Ukraine everything is completely different than in Russia. Factories are flourishing, Zaporozhets has reached Renault sales level and is not inferior to it in comfort, Ukrainian aviation is gaining international markets and the welfare of citizens is growing What not? Then it’s better to be silent in a rag. Understand your cockroaches.
          1. Don
            +1
            3 January 2013 15: 38
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Probably in Ukraine everything is completely different than in Russia. Factories are flourishing, Zaporozhets has reached Renault sales level and is not inferior to it in comfort, Ukrainian aviation is gaining international markets and the welfare of citizens is growing What not? Then it’s better to be silent in a rag. Understand your cockroaches.

            But essentially nothing to answer? Why did you immediately move to Ukraine? And there will be nothing to answer you. You are talking nonsense. That the last time vases at factories turned out to produce resources, that now you have all the heavy industry destroyed. For starters, at least look at one plant, and then talk about the industry of your or my homeland. We will deal with our cockroaches in Ukraine, do not worry. We are also gradually upgrading, unfortunately not as fast as in the Russian Federation, but let's hope for the best.
            1. S_mirnov
              0
              3 January 2013 18: 51
              "But essentially there is nothing to answer?" in essence "nonsense" - only swearing.
              But in essence "modernization" here you are:
              The proof of this is the figures of the economic decline in the country.

              In Russia in 2011:

              - as much oil was produced as in 1972;

              - paper was produced, as in 1969;

              - steel pipes, as in 1965;

              - cement, as in 1962;

              - chemical threads and fibers, as in 1959:

              - TVs - in 1958;

              - coal was mined, as in 1957;

              - produced building bricks - as in 1953;

              - radio receivers - as in 1947;

              - trucks - as in 1937;

              - combine harvesters - in 1933;

              - metal-cutting machines and tractors - as in1931;

              - railway cars - 1910;

              - shoes - in 1900;

              - the number of cattle has become - as in 1885;

              - production of woolen fabrics - in 1880;

              - The number of sheep and goats at the level of 1775.

              In the country, the road network, railway communication, aviation, shipping decreased significantly.

              Only with the return of political rights to the people will citizens be able to count on their share in the total national product.

              In the financial situation of the population. Wild, inhuman, barbaric, criminal stratification of income.

              In the November 2012 issue of the Maximum television program on NTV, its host Gleb Pyanykh cited the following figures: 1% of the Russian population receives 73% of total income, and 95% of the population - 1,5%.

              Against the background of the stratification of incomes in Russia, it is rampant, prices are rising at times.
              For reference, the dollar exchange rate on December 5.12.1999, 26,68 is 5.12.2012 rubles. as of December 30,99, XNUMX - XNUMX



              For example, these prices can be compared with the salary of the paramedic of the ambulance team in the Urals region - 5844 rubles. per month.

              Even more gigantic pace in the country is growing rent.

              Since 1999, the rent in Vologda has increased by 3850%, or 38,5 times!

              In the population of Russia. Political lack of rights and the miserable situation of the people leads to its destruction - the people are dying!

              Below is the population of the central and northwestern regions of the European part of Russia as of 1990 and 1.01.2012 (inf. From Wikipedia).

              Arkhangelsk region - 1,575 million, 1,213 million - 23%

              Bryansk region - 1,470 million, 1,264 million - 14%

              Vologda region - 1,354 million, 1,198 million - 12%

              Vladimir region - 1,657 million, 1,431 million - 14%

              Ivanovo region - 1,295 million, 1,054 million - 19%

              Kirov region - 1,651 million; 1,327 million - 20%

              Murmansk region - 1,191 million, 0,787 million - 34%

              Novgorod region - 0,753 million, 0 million - 629%

              Oryol region - 0,890 million, 0,781 million - 13%

              Pskov region - 0,844 million, 0 million - 666%

              Ryazan region - 1,350 million, 1,148 million - 15%

              The Republic of Karelia - 0,791 million, 0,639 million - 20%

              Komi Republic - 1,248 million, 0,889 million - 29%

              Smolensk region - 1,158 million, 0,980 million - 15,5%

              Tula region - 1,856 million, 1,544 million - 17%

              Yaroslavl region - 1,472 million, 1,270 million - 14%

              Society must see what is happening.
              1. Don
                0
                4 January 2013 14: 12
                Quote: S_mirnov
                "But essentially there is nothing to answer?" in essence "nonsense" - only swearing.
                But in essence "modernization" here you are:

                And what does the year have to do with it? This is not economic data, this is nonsense. What does modernization and production level do for years? You are simply not familiar with the formula of supply and demand, not to mention the concepts of a market economy. Also, the population blew. In general, we are talking about heavy industry, which, according to your words, was destroyed. First, you contradict yourself. If the industry is destroyed, as you say, then how did the Russian Federation go about oil production, coal mining, pipe production, etc. to the level of the 70s? Using magic? Secondly. There are concepts of supply and demand. In the 70s there was a great demand for oil, there was an oil crisis of 1973, and production was growing. In the 90s of the early 2000s, there was no such demand.
                Now I will write you normal indicators and prove that heavy industry is not destroyed.
                The Russian Federation for steel production is 4th place, for aluminum production 2nd place, for copper production 6th place, nickel production 2nd. Or do you think ferrous and non-ferrous metallurgy is not a heavy industry?
                24% of the global arms market in the Russian Federation. Or do you think the production of aircraft, ships, nuclear submarines, mining equipment, engines, turbines is also not a heavy industry. There are 5 chemical corporations in the Russian Federation, or do you think this is also not a heavy industry.? Learn the economy of your country, and do not carry nonsense.
                And about the population. It’s not necessary to compare with the 90s, but from the beginning of the reign that Putin hated you. For your information, the population has been growing since 2009.
    7. +2
      3 January 2013 14: 16
      Thoughts are good, right. But look around: Moscow - the capital is occupied and its active Islamization is underway! Where is the opposition?
  2. Terminator
    -6
    3 January 2013 08: 19
    What am I doing on this sectarian site?
    1. Lech e-mine
      +1
      3 January 2013 08: 28
      you probably want to become a SEX TANT smile
      1. Kaa
        +1
        3 January 2013 09: 46
        Quote: Leha e-mine
        want to become a SEX TANT

        SEX TANTROM (this is worse than the sex giant will be) good Kamasutra resting laughing
    2. Sergh
      +3
      3 January 2013 08: 30
      Quote: Terminator
      What am I doing on this sectarian site?

      And you friend didn’t try to go to a shell, but all the same to guests +?
      1. bask
        +3
        3 January 2013 13: 20
        Quote: Sergh

        And you friend didn’t try to go to a shell, but all the same to guests +?

        In the USA it is customary to go to a psychoanalyst .. (((((the disguised name of a psychiatrist)))) 80% of amers visit psychoanalysts ... Maybe a guy needs help ... ???? hi
    3. Baboon
      +3
      3 January 2013 08: 42
      I don’t know, if you love the USA so much, really, what are you doing here?
    4. +7
      3 January 2013 08: 50
      Quote: Terminator

      What am I doing on this sectarian site?

      That's it. Judging by your flag and this statement, your place on some kind of gay site. There they will understand and caress
    5. +3
      3 January 2013 09: 48
      Quote: Terminator
      What am I doing on this sectarian site?
      Where am I going? Why did you come? And what should I do next? wassat Who am I and am I? And what do my hands do and where do my eyes look? laughing
      1. +11
        3 January 2013 10: 09
        Well, you and the aggressors, brothers ...
        poor Terminator asks a rhetorical question ... and his descent .. identified in ..sex mutants with masturbation and squint ... wassat
        ...
        And also Finland .. back .. want.
        ..
        You have to be kinder, kinder. And people will reach for you.
        ...
        The policy of carrots and sticks .... as in the Soviet Union. I will explain ..
        this is when the carrot is pushed into the ass and whipped over it. Whip.
        ..
        And everyone becomes ... silk and delicate.

        PS ... Gingerbread - Tula.
        1. Lech e-mine
          +6
          3 January 2013 10: 13
          What is the question is the answer.
          I would say affectionately - where am I?
          We would understand that it was after the tenth glass of vodka and forgave him. smile
        2. +6
          3 January 2013 11: 51
          Quote: Igarr
          The policy of carrots and sticks .... as in the Soviet Union. I will explain ..
          this is when the carrot is pushed into the ass and whipped over it. Whip.


          Now, with this ass, on the contrary, all the cakes are sucked in. And there is no whip for her, as they say, they grab their mouths and w .. oh
    6. +3
      3 January 2013 10: 38
      And what are you covering with a "mattress"? Did you feel ashamed? I mean star-striped.
      1. bask
        +9
        3 January 2013 13: 25
        Quote: bistrov.

        And what are you covering with a "mattress"? Did you feel ashamed? I mean star-striped.

        Which is traded on the market laughing
        1. 0
          4 January 2013 00: 29
          I liked the flag. How to download?
    7. mda
      mda
      +3
      3 January 2013 13: 07
      Quote: Terminator
      What am I doing on this sectarian site?

      don't like it, go away.
    8. OSTAP BENDER
      +6
      3 January 2013 16: 02
      Quote: Terminator
      What am I doing on this sectarian site?

      Oh, and in vain guy, you wrote such crap !!! fool
    9. +1
      3 January 2013 18: 44
      Quote: Terminator

      What am I doing on this sectarian site?

      Who am I? ........ Where am I? .......... So I'm on a ship? wassat
      1. bask
        0
        3 January 2013 18: 52
        Quote: Normal

        Quote: Terminator

        What am I doing on this sectarian site?
        Who am I? ........ Where am I? .......... so I'm on a ship?

        ,, Who am I, --- Alien, probably ........, bully
  3. Lech e-mine
    +7
    3 January 2013 08: 19
    ARTICLE ENDS ON A PESSIMISTIC NOTE sad oh how sad

    By God it’s funny.
    It’s necessary to understand that we live in a SOCIETY where there will always be different views and opinions AND IT IS NECESSARY to uphold our beliefs as our opponents sometimes do, even with WEAPONS in their hands (especially when they scream ALLAH AKBAR HEADS BY DISAGREE)
    I believe that TOLERANCE AND SOFTNESS will bring us to such a state that US another smaller part of the population of our country will ANNOUNCE us with non-citizens and will be EXTRUSED FROM RUSSIA
    ALL POSSIBLE WAYS.
    Therefore, we must fight AND FIGHT AGAIN FOR ITS RIGHTS AND THE FINAL ACCOUNT FOR ITS EXISTENCE as a PEOPLE.
    1. Cavas
      +3
      3 January 2013 08: 34
      Leha e-mine, Well, you and the pessimist!
      Or rather an alarmist!
      drinks
      1. Lech e-mine
        +3
        3 January 2013 08: 42
        I welcome you to Cavas.
        I just can’t keep silence when they try to convince us that everything was lost and everything is bad (as with Assad - they say that he has come to an end for two years and he has been wetting the HIRED OPPOSITION since then)
        I think that the shaft of the INFORMATION WAR against RUSSIA will only increase.
        The main task of our opponents is to deprive us of the ABILITY to resist aggression (that is, to deprive of fighting spirit)
        To do this, we need to show how bad we are, what kind of bad HISTORY we have and then. am
        1. Cavas
          +2
          3 January 2013 08: 50
          Quote: Leha e-mine
          To do this, we need to show how bad we are, what kind of bad HISTORY we have and then.

          Alexey! hi
          I have such a suspicion that for this (in the opposite sense) this site is done !!! laughing
          1. Lech e-mine
            +3
            3 January 2013 08: 55
            I hope that the fight against INFORMATION AGGRESSION AGAINST OUR COUNTRY will be put at a MUCH LARGE STATE LEVEL.
            After all, it’s not amateurs who are trying to wash our BRAINS, but SPECIALS - PROFESSIONALS of their business (it’s a pity to me that you can’t see their files - it’s VERY INTERESTING who they were, where they studied, their ranks or academic degrees, etc.)
            1. Cavas
              +1
              3 January 2013 09: 36
              Quote: Leha e-mine
              VERY INTERESTING who they are, where they studied, their titles or academic degrees, etc.)

              C'mon, nothing interesting, just believe me !!! laughing
            2. -1
              3 January 2013 17: 08
              Quote: Leha e-mine
              I hope that the fight against INFORMATION AGGRESSION AGAINST OUR COUNTRY will be put on a MORE SCALE STATE LEVEL

              It may sound wild, but in order to counter aggression at the state level, it is necessary for the media to be 99% subservient to the state and the ruling party at the moment, and let one percent be in the service of other parties and oppositions.
              1. s1н7т
                -1
                4 January 2013 03: 02
                Quote: olegyurjewitch
                it is necessary that the media be subject to the state and the ruling party at the moment by 99%, and let alone one percent be in the service of other parties and oppositions.

                Pi-pez, where do you live ?! Here in Russia, everything is just that! laughing
            3. s1н7т
              0
              4 January 2013 03: 00
              Quote: Leha e-mine
              I hope that the fight against INFORMATION AGGRESSION AGAINST OUR COUNTRY will be put at a MUCH LARGE STATE LEVEL.

              Aha, how! In 94, the institute that trained "special propagandists" was closed, but I haven’t heard that they were trained somewhere else. This is the "state level"! laughing
    2. Siberian
      -2
      3 January 2013 08: 51
      Quote: Leha e-mine
      (especially when they scream ALLAH AKBAR CUT THE HEADS BY THE DISAGREE)


      here it is, the face of Islamophobia ... Have you seen enough of the Syrian chronicles? In Russia, everything is different ... Everything is simpler ... In an extreme case, you can build a wall in the south (along the southern border of Stavropol) and squeeze out the North Caucasians and that’s all ... There is no Islamist problem in Russia ... The hysteria was specially fanned for growth nationalism and shattering Russia ...
      1. Lech e-mine
        +4
        3 January 2013 09: 03
        What the hell islamophobia-visit among the radicals in TATARSTAN or BASHKORTOSTAN or just go read the correspondence of the Islamist radicals with us in RUSSIA at least, I hope to quickly change the pink glasses.

        There is no Islamist problem in Russia ..
        I have heard this tale many times.
        What do you think the emissaries from the SAUDITES do for us - FLOWERS WHAT THEY GIVE.
        1. Siberian
          0
          3 January 2013 09: 06
          Quote: Leha e-mine
          - visit the radicals in TATARSTAN or BASHKORTOSTAN or just go read the correspondence of the Islamist radicals with us in RUSSIA at least, I hope you will quickly change the pink glasses.

          It's just a bunch of goblins, they are few ... Their only hope is that the young sheep will follow them ... But in Tatarstan and Bashkiria there are no such sheep ... Nobody will risk the value of the Saudis ...
          Know the bastard:
          OUR TATARA A Tricky WARRIOR, AS A WAR HE HOPPED IN THE TAIGA !!!
          1. +5
            3 January 2013 09: 32
            Quote: SIBERIAN

            It's just a bunch of goblins, they are few in number ...
            and before they didn’t have any progress on their faces
            Quote: SIBERIAN
            OUR TATARA A Tricky WARRIOR, AS A WAR HE HOPPED IN THE TAIGA !!!
            Well, tell me again that Ivan the Terrible took Kazan with one airborne regiment. A Tatar fighter will not yield to the Russian, I tell you as a doctor
          2. Lech e-mine
            +7
            3 January 2013 09: 38
            Here it is not necessary to touch the Tatars, among many people who will fight for RUSSIA.
            once again I say pushing people into battle NOT NATIONALITY but faith and belief
            In any people and in any nationality can be found as
            HEROES OF THE RIGHTEOUS and notorious BORNS.
            Therefore, I believe that the main danger for RUSSIA is precisely the ideological side of things.
        2. Kaa
          +7
          3 January 2013 10: 01
          Quote: Leha e-mine
          There is no Islamist problem in Russia

          Yeah, we’re hiding our head in the sand, patamushta ...
          "You can get to Novy Urengoy on the highway either by registration, or at the invitation of an employer or relatives. In the early 90s, the pass system began to collapse. Incomprehensible people began to penetrate here, refugees from the Caucasus went. The city has always been multinational, such a northern Babylon. the bulk of the population was made up of Ukrainians, who had been developing the Shebelinskoye field since the 60s, the Bashkirs from Salavat, Sterlitamak, Ufa, Azerbaijanis, there was still a small Chechen-Ingush expedition for drilling, but they did not plunder for a long time here. The lion's share of strategic raw materials is extracted here , which determines the economic security of the country. Tell me, anyone walks through the territory of the nuclear power plant? So why should anyone walk around the territory of the fields, where gas pipelines are stretched, where there is a danger of their explosion, depressurization, where condensate leakage, oil ignition is possible? thousand (!) foreigners from more than 20 countries, tell me, they all came with an add with good intentions? Are they all good friends of Russia? The Caucasians themselves have somehow changed over the past year, ”says engineer Sergei. - Instead of gopniks, neat uncles with beards, shaved mustaches appeared, next to them women in hijabs .. - Of course, the events of the last decade in the North Caucasus have left some imprint in the minds of young people who are now a little over 20, - admits the mufti mufti Yamalo -Nenets district Haydar Khafizov. - We have a danger of penetration of the ideas of Wahhabism, Salafism. And they come to us from Tyumen, Yekaterinburg - from the mainland, as we say. And today there is a political Islamization of the population. The infection spreads very quickly, but it is difficult to treat it .. And the Muslim diasporas of the city have a complete understanding. The pills are always bitter, but the result is recovery. The mufti confessed to us that he is categorically against ... the construction of new mosques in the district. Khaidar Khafizov substantiated his position with a reinforced concrete argument - the new mosques will immediately be occupied by the Wahhabis! Wahhabis stay here and quietly infiltrate gas production structures, paying 200 thousand rubles each for employment. According to our interlocutor, in the last year another alarming trend has emerged: Russian girls have begun to convert to Islam. By no means traditional .. In one of the gas production centers, without exaggeration, the sore point of the country, people who are extremely aggressive towards the state itself and most of its inhabitants will begin to accumulate. These "accumulated" ones will create a breeding ground in which self-reproduction of the adherents of Wahhabism will begin. The broth will be successfully fed from the North Caucasus and the Volga region. At a critical moment, a good part of the country's gas imports will end up in the hands of these people. When? When Syria is cleared of Assad and an alternative gas pipeline to Europe will be laid through its territory. The existence of Russia in its current form will be a big question mark. http://www.kp.ru/daily/26005/2930936/
      2. +3
        3 January 2013 09: 27
        Quote: SIBERIAN
        In extreme cases, you can build a wall in the south (along the southern border of Stavropol) and oust the North Caucasians there and all ...

        You can’t isolate yourself from the enemy with a wall; you need to kill him so that no one could climb through the wall
      3. +3
        3 January 2013 10: 14
        Quote: SIBERIAN
        In extreme cases, you can build a wall in the south

        Are you a chtol gastrobaiter? Listen, I need to putty the wall here, the payment is good wink
        1. Kaa
          +3
          3 January 2013 10: 26
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I put a wall here

          Is this suitable? laughing
          1. bask
            +4
            3 January 2013 13: 33
            Quote: Kaa


            Is this suitable?

            If we hide behind the walls .. Illiterate guys will come mostly brunettes .. And they can do with us --- this ... The enemy must always be soaked in his den !!!!! But not at home ....
      4. +4
        3 January 2013 11: 48
        Quote: SIBERIAN
        In extreme cases, you can build a wall in the south (along the southern border of Stavropol)

        Why, on the border of Stavropol. The fortress of Grozny is a Russian fortress.
        Vainakhs lived until the 1917 year in the mountains. The plains of Chechnya and Ingushetia are Cossack lands.
  4. USA95
    +1
    3 January 2013 08: 34
    1) Family values ​​!!!
  5. Siberian
    +3
    3 January 2013 08: 42
    The author believes that:
    1. Salafism
    2. Wahhabism.
    3. Secular Islam ..
    this is bad, and I completely agree with that, but why is nationalism good?
    You need to understand now before building a customs union with Asian countries, EURASES, the Eurasian Union ... You need to understand that nationalism and the Russian version of Eurasianism are not compatible and will never be compatible. Either the national state of the Slavs, or the multinational empire ...
    You have to choose, you can't sit on two chairs ...
    1. Lech e-mine
      +2
      3 January 2013 08: 50
      NE AGREE
      the Chinese are sitting on two chairs
      ONE COUNTRY two systems - a familiar slogan?
      Still narrow-eyed half the world hold in their paws although many do not notice it.
      1. Baboon
        +5
        3 January 2013 08: 56
        Yes, the Chinese openly populate other countries, it seems like they are unskilled laborers, and in China bank accounts are open and the state itself puts money there for them, if only to work abroad. Even Chinese prostitutes are taken to the same countries.
        1. +2
          3 January 2013 10: 17
          Quote: Babon
          , and in China, bank accounts are open and the state itself puts money there

          This is where did you get such info from personal fantasies?
          1. Baboon
            0
            3 January 2013 10: 30
            No, we need to look, they are going on business trips.
            1. +1
              3 January 2013 11: 31
              Quote: Babon
              they go on business trips.

              I don’t know what region you are from, but many Chinese people who go abroad for permanent residence have problems with the Chinese authorities and they certainly don’t get paid, unless of course they are scouts. Everything else is fiction and rumors. hi
              1. Baboon
                +1
                3 January 2013 12: 42
                Now I’ll look, it was about Africa, I even sent prostitutes to African countries to make it easier for the Chinese workers, and they opened accounts just to settle there.
      2. Siberian
        +3
        3 January 2013 08: 59
        Quote: Leha e-mine
        the Chinese are sitting on two chairs
        ONE COUNTRY two systems - a familiar slogan?


        the fact of the matter is that it won’t end in good either ... At one fine moment, you have to choose between uncles in leather jackets and with guns again or deepen capitalism ...
        And in our case, it is impossible to integrate at the same time with the Kyrgyz (Kazakhs, Tajiks) and simultaneously shoot them on the streets ... Some kind of hypocrisy turns out .... Not in Russian, it's somehow ...
        1. Lech e-mine
          +1
          3 January 2013 09: 25
          There is no concept of good and evil in politics. THERE ARE ONLY THE INTERESTS OF THE STATE.

          no need to be naive that bringing someone WELCOME TO US WILL BECOME LOVE
          rather, on the contrary, we will be blamed for all sins, such is the REALITY of our life.
          1. +3
            3 January 2013 09: 45
            Right All this has already happened.
            Russian giaurs, factories were fixed, factories were built.
            They never needed it, do not need it today.
            1. Baboon
              0
              3 January 2013 10: 06
              Not until the end, they also have to be for the occupation, still children. we have built kindergartens, hospitals, schools, and all this goes to us in the occupation.
            2. +2
              3 January 2013 10: 19
              Quote: Listvyanka
              Listvyanka

              For a long time you were gone, they say love flood wink Happy you drinks
            3. 0
              3 January 2013 11: 12
              Quote: Listvyanka
              Russian giaurs, factories were fixed, factories were built.
              They never needed it, do not need it today.

              So it used to be. And now something else is being introduced - "They built everything themselves. And what the Russians were doing here is not clear at all. Most likely nothing good. What good could the colonialists have done?"
              Here is a monument from my city - Temirtau (Karaganda region)
          2. s1н7т
            0
            4 January 2013 03: 26
            Quote: Leha e-mine
            There is no concept of good and evil in politics. THERE ARE ONLY THE INTERESTS OF THE STATE.

            The nation, as a continuation of culture, in my opinion, also operates with such concepts as good and evil. The interests of the state, in your opinion, contradict this. Conclusion - the state should be SUPREME.
            That is to say, he should be hired - a Tajik, a Pole, an Ingush. If only the laws were buoyed and paid taxes. So it was in tsarist Russia, in the USSR, now - in the USA, etc.
    2. +1
      3 January 2013 11: 38
      Quote: SIBERIAN
      Either the national state of the Slavs, or the multinational empire ...
      You have to choose, you can't sit on two chairs ...

      Why anyway? The Russian Empire was a multinational state and the Russians were proud that they were Russians.
      "Russia - for Russians and in Russian" -Alexander III, Tsar-Emperor
      "Nationalism in me is so natural that it will never be eradicated from me" - DI Mendeleev
      "I am ready to write on my banner - Russia for the Russians and raise this banner as high as possible" - Skobelev M. D. Russian general
      "We are called to create our own and in our own way, Russian, in Russian" - Ilyin I.A. Russian philosopher
      "A people without national identity is manure on which other peoples grow" - Stolypin PA
      "The master of Russia is only Russian, so it is and always will be" - Dostoevsky F.M.
      1. Siberian
        +1
        3 January 2013 18: 21
        Gentlemen, Asians will not agree to such a model of integration, you see, sovereignty will be violated ... they have left Russia’s domination and will come to this ... You read Nazarbayev’s speech about the Eurasian Union ... It should be a union of equal rights ...
        1. s1н7т
          -1
          4 January 2013 03: 46
          Quote: SIBERIAN
          It should be a union of equitable ...

          Probably, such a union will not last long or will be fake.
          The Soviet Union was the best, but after the Second World War they did not liquidate the national republics - as a result, they paid, and they served as a detonator.
          1. 0
            4 January 2013 12: 01
            Quote: c1n7
            The best union was Soviet

            Here are those times ?!
            How so, my friend? Lenin also planted the bomb - declaring the Chechens (for example) an oppressed nation, and Russia (all Russians in their person) as a "prison of peoples".
            The very idea of ​​Leninist national politics is initially wrong.
        2. 0
          4 January 2013 11: 56
          Quote: SIBERIAN
          Gentlemen Asians will not agree to such a model of integration

          Sorry, but I do not see this as a contradiction. We from the USSR have an unhealthy system of national territories, where everyone has their own territory, except for the Russians.
          Remember, in the Russian Empire there were only provinces with counties inside. But all the provinces were equal. True, this applies to the domestic situation.
          For relations with the republics of the former USSR, relations should be built on a different basis.
      2. s1н7т
        -1
        4 January 2013 03: 41
        Quote: radio operator
        The Russian Empire was a multinational state

        Shopipets! "And the men don't know!" (C)
        There was no such term in that empire, the word "nationality" appeared only in the 19th century, in the dictionary of foreign words used in Russian, it appeared in 1907.
        Nationality, as a relation to a certain ethnic group, is a word in general from the modern language of the times of the USSR. Initially, it determined citizenship, citizenship. So the "Russians", for whom Russia is hers, no more. Then they said - "we are from Tver", not Russian. All subjects were Russian in relation to foreigners. Read not only Dostoevsky! laughing
        1. 0
          4 January 2013 11: 49
          Quote: c1n7
          Shopipets! "And the men don't know!" (C)
          There was no such term in that empire, the word "nationality" appeared only in the 19th century, in the dictionary of foreign words used in Russian, it appeared in 1907.

          Well, if you decide to get into the jungle of this problem, I’ll inform you one more thing that in Russia all peoples were Russian.
          Russian was, in its current sense, a Great Russian. Ukrainian - Little Russia, etc.
          Quote: c1n7
          Read not only Dostoevsky!

          Sorry, but I have more confidence in Dostoevsky than with 1n7t.
    3. s1н7т
      0
      4 January 2013 03: 19
      The fact is that not everyone here knows the meaning of the word "nation" laughing
      And many here have such a mess in their heads that I don’t understand how they find a common language with each other! laughing
  6. amph1cyon
    +1
    3 January 2013 08: 59
    the article is very controversial, somewhere true, but somewhere complete nonsense.
    1. 0
      3 January 2013 09: 35
      That's just the point the author simply offers to reflect and does not give ready-made recipes. Just a cut of ideas
  7. WW3
    WW3
    +4
    3 January 2013 08: 59
    Funny video Alexandro Lady GAGA concert in St. Petersburg 9.12.12/XNUMX/XNUMX good ... the authors cut the plywood and recorded its real bleating into a microphone live ... wassat and the tolerant dancing on the stage resembles this

    1. +1
      3 January 2013 09: 48
      Well, you still haven’t heard Vitas:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFseOAWJATU
      1. WW3
        WW3
        +1
        3 January 2013 11: 51
        Quote: Listvyanka
        Well, you still haven’t heard Vitas:

        Yes, I heard of course laughing ... this bearded video is already the 5th year however .... moreover I can even briefly add that Vitas sang on Novikov's rented device, and that one, as an implacable fighter with plywood, took his bleating and recorded it .... and laid out for all to see ... this shame .... however, we have almost all the pop art suffering from plywood, they even sing without microphones and are not particularly shy ... everyone + ... good
    2. +1
      3 January 2013 10: 19
      I almost puke on my beech from this dance
    3. +1
      3 January 2013 11: 33
      Quote: WW3
      and the tolerant dancing on the stage resembles this

      You are right, this is an abomination.
  8. +2
    3 January 2013 09: 03
    5 column in Russia is strong in nationalist movements

    And especially after these "bald" defenders of the Fatherland, appeared in the "Swamp seething", paid for by the State Department.
    It becomes clear from whom, first of all, Russia needs to be protected.
    1. Siberian
      -1
      3 January 2013 09: 08
      Quote: Bulls.

      Online
      Bulls. RU Today, 09:03 a new
      - 0 +
      5 column in Russia is strong in nationalist movements

      And especially after these "bald" defenders of the Fatherland appeared in the "Swamp seething" paid for by the State Department. It became clear from whom, first of all, Russia needed to be protected


      I AGREE COMPLETELY ...
      Sober judgments are worthy of admiration !!!!
    2. s1н7т
      -2
      4 January 2013 03: 52
      Quote: Bulls.
      5 column in Russia is strong in nationalist movements

      And especially after these "bald" defenders of the Fatherland, appeared in the "Swamp seething", paid for by the State Department.


      That is, in your opinion, the nationalist movements are also paid by the State Department ?!
      You either vaguely put it, or do not know how to read?
      1. 0
        4 January 2013 09: 54
        Quote: c1n7
        That is, in your opinion, the nationalist movements are also paid by the State Department ?!
        You either vaguely put it, or do not know how to read?

        Yes, you understood correctly.
        What, to ask again?
  9. +2
    3 January 2013 09: 03
    The ninth option is normal, the rest is either small or silly or narrow
  10. predator.3
    +1
    3 January 2013 09: 11
    It is necessary to restore the USSR! and the CPSU!
    1. Baboon
      +3
      3 January 2013 09: 28
      The CPSU in the form in which it was, has already led to certain consequences, it was necessary to change something, but not break it. Destruction of the country and production is now called reforms. How many conflicts arose on the territory of the former USSR and how many people died? The humpbacked one should be brought here under the tribunal, and some figures too. I have a lot of acquaintances, they entered universities, but then I fell apart, study in Russia, and in Russia, too, places are occupied, so a person has unlearned.
    2. +2
      3 January 2013 09: 28
      It is necessary to restore the CPSU (b) and the NKVD, then the USSR is just around the corner))
    3. +2
      3 January 2013 10: 21
      Quote: predator.3
      and the CPSU!

      The CPSU once betrayed the country! two times on the same rake you should not step
      1. predator.3
        0
        3 January 2013 11: 28
        Greetings, Alexander! Happy you!
        the error of the CPSU was in the number of party members, if I am not mistaken, about 14 million people. and basically joined the party on career considerations, as it is now in EP, but should be taken for merit, and the number should not exceed 500 thousand members, well, from the strength of 1 million
        1. s1н7т
          -1
          4 January 2013 04: 08
          Quote: predator.3
          approx. 14 million and basically joined the career party,

          19 million, if I’m not mistaken, and all 19 million are careerists ?! laughing
          For information - for 300 million people in the USSR was 1 million. 300 thousand adm.khoz. leaders - of all types and ranks. Where are 19 million careerists ?!
          There is no CPSU - a party of careerists, but there are only 120 million people who account for more than 5 million of all sorts of non-career leaders laughing
  11. +1
    3 January 2013 09: 24
    everyone has their own idea. here, probably, from many small ideas, the general idea is formed. I think the main thing is to preserve family values. and for sodomy again to introduce an article into the criminal code. otherwise how not to lose the information war and homegrown homosexuals (even if this is not even in a nightmare). and there was this: "the code of the builder of communism." very sane idea
    1. +4
      3 January 2013 09: 50
      Approved-S !!!
      Return an article to the Code !!!!
      Yuvenalke - NO !!!!!
      And then no one will build this controversial future.
  12. +1
    3 January 2013 09: 51
    Quote: Terminator
    What am I doing on this sectarian site?

    Sects in America have remained. We have an Orthodox culture (and Muslim).
    And which way to choose? What are spiritual guidelines? You need to choose what works and has a specific result.
    Will you spend your life studying Ohm's electrical circuits and laws just to start using electricity? Does it sound silly?
    But philosophers say no, not stupid. And they continue to be clever on the topic of spirituality for the state, inventing one theory after another.
    For me, this is how I choose what works. And the culture is based on Orthodoxy. The names Nevsky, Lomonosov, Ushakov, Dostoevsky, Donskoy, Lomonosov I have already quoted hundreds of times. These are the undeniable "Authorities" of our History. And they were all deeply Orthodox believers.
    Also, Russia, having adopted the Orthodox faith, came from the Dnieper to the Pacific Ocean.
    What other arguments are needed?
    They say, they say, the Church kind of cattle people, and in general it is continuous obscurantism. Ie goes, Lomonosov, Newton, Pascal, Ampere and others Great scholars openly calling themselves Christians - obscurantists.
    They say that all priests steal, and in general they are all bad people.
    This is the same as calling our Army, the Army of traitors, since General Vlasov was there and there are still those generals who sold our boys in Chechnya.
    In short, stop reinventing the bicycles. Let's take as a basis what works. Or give your example Workers and successful cultural models for the people
  13. Serg_Y
    +2
    3 January 2013 10: 20
    I read the name, did not read further, if a person does not see the difference between Russia (the Orthodox state) and Russia (the secular state), he has a complete mess in his head.
    1. s1н7т
      -1
      4 January 2013 04: 23
      Do you know the origin of the word "Russia"?
      This is the spelling of the word "Rus" in Greek. That is, it came to us with Orthodoxy from Byzantium. And what it looks like now:
      Quote: Serg_Y
      a person does not see the difference between Russia (the Orthodox state) and Russia (the secular state), he has a complete mess in his head
      laughing laughing laughing
  14. 0
    3 January 2013 10: 34
    yeah I would like some of the thoughts of those who spoke here not to remain just letters on the Internet.
  15. -1
    3 January 2013 10: 35
    The Orthodox Church is the only public institution that has remained from old Russia, and operates regardless of borders. As Putin mentioned in his message to the Federal Assembly, society will require spiritual bonds.

    Orthodoxy-Scrap, and what else.
    And precisely because of this, it must be assumed that such a powerful information attack has been conducted against her recently. The main goal of which, in the first place, is the destruction of all that this Scraper holds.
    1. 0
      3 January 2013 10: 54
      This has been clear for a long time. And most importantly, nothing concrete is presented, except for the mantras about "church dope and greedy priests." So, the air is being chased, and the citizens are hawking.
      I think that in a certain case it is possible to give vsezh to the snout. Nicholas the Miracle Worker, for example, the heretic Aria smashed a slap in the face for blaspheming the Virgin.
      1. 0
        3 January 2013 11: 15
        Quote: Magadan
        I think that in a certain case it is possible to give vsezh to the snout.

        It is possible, but if they blaspheme, then it is necessary.
        One thing pleases: complete worthlessness, all these are "fighters".
        And the lack of in this regard, they, whatever there was no chance of victory.
    2. s1н7т
      -4
      4 January 2013 04: 26
      Orthodoxy is a rudiment, like any other religion.
      Quote: Bulls.
      against her recently and such a powerful information attack is conducted

      Shopipets laughed laughing
      It is enough to deprive the Russian Orthodox Church of tax and other benefits, it will scatter itself, no attacks are necessary! laughing
  16. 0
    3 January 2013 10: 47
    In my opinion, representatives of these currents in their pure form are relatively few in number. These are peculiar poles of ideologies. And the real world is in the center, and there is a bit of everything outside.
    In some ways, Kurginyan is right with his "geopolitical" point of view, from which he explains everything, although only part of it falls under it. Both the nationalists and the left have absolutely adequate statements. Tell me, wouldn't you like the elections to be fair? And we must fight for this, although the ideal is unattainable. So it is with everything else. And a mentally healthy person chooses from this array what is closer to him, what seems to him to correspond to the realities of his life.
    Some people who are not able to choose, or who have lost their orientation due to any shocks, have to clutch at some ideology in order to join the group and feel unity and self-confidence.
    What I can not agree with the author in any way is that all these trends (ideologies) were invented by the enemies for the collapse of Russia (fifth column). After all, religion, in fact, is in this series the 11th element. It turns out, and Orthodoxy came up with the enemies of the death of Russia. Rave.
    Just diversity of opinions is freedom of opinion. And since these opinions are created under the influence of real life, the main vector is the ideological paradigm real for the given society (well, the majority will not be enemies to itself). And deviations from it must be considered separately. This is either the psychological characteristics of the carriers, or the manifestation of their other motivations (this is the 5th column).
  17. 0
    3 January 2013 10: 49
    Quote: Serg_Y
    I read the name, did not read further, if a person does not see the difference between Russia (the Orthodox state) and Russia (the secular state), he has a complete mess in his head.

    There is no mess. So far, we profess the same values ​​that the Church teaches. Only it’s sad that among generations younger than 30, tolerance is already beginning to prevail
    .
    Quote: Leha e-mine
    It’s necessary to understand that we live in a SOCIETY where there will always be different views and opinions AND IT IS NECESSARY to uphold our beliefs as our opponents sometimes do, even with WEAPONS in their hands

    I'm already starting to lean toward weapons too. At least to physical impact. Only, I'm afraid not so much the Wahhabis are scary, i.e. visible enemy, how many tolerasts, invisible enemy, leading a sluggish brain attack on my country.
    1. Serg_Y
      +2
      3 January 2013 15: 13
      I’m reading something and I don’t see order in my thoughts, what is the value of the church? Russia has adherents of Orthodoxy, Catholicism, Muslims (Sunites, Shiites), Judaism and Buddhism, about the values ​​of which church you spoke about, and how representatives of one church will coexist with another church in one state without tolerance. You suggest picking up a weapon i.e. break the law to uphold their values. Well, where is Russia, where is the order, and the Mess is complete.
  18. patriot2
    +2
    3 January 2013 10: 54
    The article reminded me of a New Year's vinaigrette. In general, everything is piled up in one bowl and mixed, well, and you readers understand who likes what: beetroot, cucumber or potato?
    It is interesting to rummage and discuss. The author tried on this dish, for trying + smile
    1. Nevsky
      +2
      3 January 2013 14: 57
      Thank you. drinks Just tired of seeing disunity ... soldier
  19. +1
    3 January 2013 10: 54
    Well, I don’t know, I don’t know. Very controversial reasoning. But somehow we lived together for 70 years? And they lived well. For example, why divide the two locksmiths if one of them is Russian Orthodox and the other Azerbaijani is Muslim? If only one gas key for two? In my opinion, so!
    1. Baboon
      +2
      3 January 2013 11: 15
      Exactly 70 years old?
    2. s1н7т
      -1
      4 January 2013 04: 31
      Quote: bistrov.
      did we live together for 70 years? And they lived well. For example, why divide the two locksmiths if one of them is Russian Orthodox and the other Azerbaijani is Muslim?

      Nonsense is complete!
      There was no Russian Orthodox and Azerbaijani Muslim, there were just locksmiths, Soviet hard workers. And they lived perfectly until they confused their heads with nationalities and religions!
  20. stranik72
    0
    3 January 2013 11: 18
    Well, we lived together not for 70 years, but for almost 300 years, well, it's not about numbers, the fact is that to unite only those ideas about which they are not talking enough here, although in my opinion they say correctly, there must be some kind of coordinating center, on the one hand, the language, and then what, the elite does not need it, our enemies, and even more so, so if we create an association, such as the "Slavic Brotherhood" with a governing center with leaders with members, with the goal of tasks, and of finance such as membership in a word, at the first stage, a public association defending the principles of one country and one people, in general, it is not a matter of scratching to scratch, so I would join such an association and help as much as I can.
    1. Baboon
      +2
      3 January 2013 11: 28
      Yes, if you look at the names of the Russian elite, it becomes clear that not the best representatives of even non-Russian peoples make loot here, they don’t even have a nightmare to live in a Russian village, but I calmly go for potatoes and haymaking, horseflies are stinged, of course but everyone has been bitten like this for more than 1000 years already!
  21. 0
    3 January 2013 11: 26
    Interesting article!
    Thank you!
    The most important thing is not blinded.
    A fairly objective view of different development concepts.
    I just want to add from myself that nationalism is a normal phenomenon. All nations consider themselves nationalists, except the Russian. We can not. But excuse me, the Russians have lived side by side with other nations for centuries, and at the same time both of them have considered themselves to be part of their ethnic group. No problem.

    Not only 1917 year we are united! Our history is more than 1000 years old, it is only according to official historical data. What unites Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians? Language, culture and faith in God. Orthodox faith. It is the Russian Orthodox Church that is the only public institution that has remained from old Russia, and operates regardless of borders. As Putin mentioned in his message to the Federal Assembly, society will require spiritual bonds. Nobleness and mercy. It’s hard to disagree against the backdrop of a fall in culture and morality in society, and an increase in crime. Unfortunately, and this is even noted by most supporters of the USSR that the persecution of the Church by the Soviet authorities was a mistake. Another question would be the USSR, that Union, be concessions to the Church? Nevertheless, under Stalin, coexistence was possible. There are Orthodox pages from which liberals clutch their heads

    Totally agree!
  22. atomic
    +1
    3 January 2013 11: 30
    The foundation of Russia's greatness is the SOBBILITY of a Russian peasant. Official recognition of the authorities that Russia is a MONONATIONAL state (82% of Russians), according to UN legislation, in a multinational state of indigenous population there should be no more than 56%. Only a sober Russian will bring death to all this liquid masson-reptiloid hydra.
    1. sincman
      +2
      3 January 2013 12: 27
      Plus! A lot of ours were destroyed by the green serpent! I think no less than all the past wars. The village was ruined, because instead of a program of cultural and spiritual development, drinking in unlimited quantities was palmed out. Small cities are becoming depressed.
      Refusal from alcohol (to begin with, a decrease in the doses taken) is that feasible contribution that we all without exception can make to the revival of our common great Motherland. Do not plump in the kitchen, but spend this time studying new, useful information, communicating with loved ones, and cultural enrichment. When pouring another shot glass into yourself, you must be aware that by doing so you give the enemy a piece of your strength and the enemy becomes stronger, and you are weaker.
      1. Baboon
        +1
        3 January 2013 12: 34
        When I come to the village, I have no time to drink there! Constantly. something needs to be done, because the farm is not waiting! You won’t drink there, in my opinion, drunkenness actually came in the 20th century, along with urbanization, there is no economy in a city apartment, so you can drink!
        1. sincman
          +1
          3 January 2013 12: 41
          Quote: Babon
          When I come to the village, I have no time to drink there! Constantly. something needs to be done, because the farm is not waiting!

          For this I bow to you. But not all of them. That's when in every village every person will do that. When the cities get rid of this disease, then we can assume that everything is in order with us.
          Quote: Babon
          in my opinion, drunkenness actually came in the 20th century

          This is not the point when it came, but the fact that it came as it should and leave!
          1. Baboon
            +1
            3 January 2013 13: 00
            So I sin, in the city I drink, but in the village there is no time! He opened his eyes, but there was a lot to do, and in a city to whom you don’t call so you are ready to communicate with a drink.
            1. sincman
              +1
              3 January 2013 13: 13
              Quote: Babon
              in a city whom you don’t call so much with a drink are ready to talk.

              This is our common misfortune. Someone will indulge and leave, and someone will suck tightly - consider a lost person.
              After all, there are many important things in the city. For example, city streets, parks, the coastal zone are polluted! What prevents to gather with friends and children and instead of drinking to clean up a bit of this garbage. Teach the children good, and spend time with friends, and you will do a good thing for everyone. In your example, the rest of the people will catch up. Purify both the soul and the surrounding nature.
              This is an example. If you think about it, you can usefully spend time in the city.
              1. Serg_Y
                +1
                3 January 2013 16: 47
                At the expense of strong drinks, the idea is sound, but in order to drink in moderation BRAINS NEED TO BE USED, and where to use them, brains are not needed for street cleaning, intellectual work is in a terrible shortage, and vodka is an extremely effective way to lower IQ to an acceptable level for work. Look at the root of the gentlemen! Intelligent work can not be highly profitable, the incentive in what opened and rowing people under him. Russia is full of scarce minerals, why the intellect, it is enough to own them and money is in your pocket. While there is a deficit, there will be alcoholics. How to remove the deficit, you can’t feed 7000000000 on horseback, and with thieving officials gold will always cost several times more than the cost.
    2. Nurker
      -1
      3 January 2013 14: 54
      Quote: atomic
      liquid masson reptiloid hydra.


      Yes there are no masons and reptilians, there is just competition
      1. sincman
        +1
        3 January 2013 16: 14
        I don’t know about reptilians, there are definitely masons. And to deny it is pointless. They don’t even hide anymore. True, their BASIC goal on Earth (in addition to wealth and power) has so far no one has explained. the peculiarity of the structure of this sect does not allow even the members of this organization to know the true purpose of higher-level managers who are superior to them.
  23. +4
    3 January 2013 11: 43
    К For example, why should two locksmiths be divided if one of them is Russian Orthodox and the other Azerbaijani is Muslim? If only one gas key for two? In my opinion, so!
    If you don’t need to work, s.p. still give out, then there is nothing to share. And if you pay according to the number of tightened nuts, be beaten muzzles ... with the same gas key.
    According to the article ......
    Unification is possible by deliberately pouring these into a strong and prosperous Russia in the face of real external threats. The threat will fall, the fat will be played, the economic recession will come ... and again they will run away from us, with the slogan "Down with the occupation."
    The state of the modern economy of Russia, the highest degree of corruption - and other and other ... And we are talking about the accession of Finland ?????
    Delirium New Year's.
    Nationalism...
    every citizen of Russia must be sure that if he happens to him and his relatives, the country will jump out of his pants and help ....... a peasant and a metallurgist must see his products are preferable for the country .....
    Let's call this nationalism, for my taste then the country should be extremely nationalistic.
    Spiritual bonds ...
    Church, speculating in alcohol and tobacco, riding on the geldings ???


    Our braces and ideas, I think.
    1. Building a society of social justice (and most importantly, curbing corruption)
    2. Thoughtful construction of the country's defense.
    3. Raising the standard of living of the "common people".
    1. s1н7т
      -3
      4 January 2013 04: 36
      Quote: Chen

      Our braces and ideas, I think.
      1. Building a society of social justice (and most importantly, curbing corruption)
      2. Thoughtful construction of the country's defense.
      3. Raising the standard of living of the "common people".


      Yes, Putin will definitely not give you a plus laughing
  24. 0
    3 January 2013 11: 48
    Quote: Volozhanin
    I almost puke on my beech from this dance

    Similarly, Alexander, and yet this tolerance is being zealously pushed by someone in Russia, hiding behind the fact that one must be like the whole civilized world. Well, if this is civilization, then please consider it a savage. I have no way with such a civilization. bully
    1. +2
      3 January 2013 11: 54
      Quote: Alekseir162
      Well, if this is civilization, then please consider it a savage. I have no way with such a civilization.

      And when were we along the way?
      When they died out of the plague in millions, because they didn’t wash for months, even then they taught us civilization. Absorbed in the literal and figurative sense, Europe throughout its past and present life has remained such hi
      They are temporary, and Russia is permanent !!!
  25. Skinny
    +2
    3 January 2013 12: 40
    You did not notice how Putin already gave us the National Idea.
    THE IDEA - OF SOVEREIGNTY, not only of Russia, but of the whole world,
    Internal problems are solved internally by the people themselves.
    1. s1н7т
      -1
      4 January 2013 04: 37
      Sovereignty - now from themselves, or what ?! laughing
  26. +1
    3 January 2013 12: 43
    Happy New Year
    A hit parade of ideas
    Divide and Conquer
  27. Russian 72
    +8
    3 January 2013 13: 01
    Hello everyone! I have already written more than once that many (if not all) want a revival of the USSR or the Russian Empire, but this majority, strangely enough, sees a revival in the unification of territories, and not in the unification of peoples. What do you grieve for the collapse of the USSR (and this is not only Russian) if you continue to scream loudly that the rest of the nations in Russia have no place?
    Again begins:
    - let's not take Azerbaijan!
    - Why?
    - Gabala's lease was not extended on favorable terms ... Enemies! send all Azerbaijanis from the markets!
    - let's not take Uzbekistan!
    - Why?
    - left the CSTO ... scum! send all!
    - we will not take the Baltic states!
    - Why?
    -they are ALL Nazis !!!
    - Take Ukraine and Belarus! we have a common history, language, culture, mentality ...
    etc.
    Believe me, among the fraternal peoples there are enough idiots of protesters against the revival of the Great Country (especially in Ukraine) ... so what? We will expel all Ukrainians, we will not buy fat from them, cut off the gas? because usually we have such arguments!
    Who wants to unite with Russia if we have such a mood?
    May God unite with him three fraternal countries - Russia, Belarus and Ukraine ... Do you think this will be a great power? It will not even be a miserable likeness of the USSR, not to mention the Empire ...
    Our opinion about other nations consists mainly of media reports that mainly show the negative side ... and why? because if everything is fine then there’s nothing to show ... ratings.
    I also agree with the fact that some citizens have negative experience of personal communication ... these are isolated cases ... but from these single cases a negative opinion is formed for some reason about the whole people.
    My friends, you again forget that many not popular decisions (on the basis of which we force whole nations) are made not by the people, but by a group of idiotic politicians. Unification is not beneficial for them, because it will deprive them of unlimited power in their (as they consider personal) territory.
    Believe me, ordinary people in all the former republics of the USSR also talk about unification, but seeing the attitude of Russians on them, they don’t understand how it will be possible ...
    Until we learn how to find a common language, while each side adheres to its selfish interests, while we openly swallow dirt from the media about other peoples, and they about us ... there will be no revival of the USSR or the Russian Empire! time will pass and our grandchildren will not remember (because they won’t know) that once there was a huge, strong multinational power ....

    About the national idea. I agree with the author about communism, but with a small caveat.
    It is necessary to take the ideology of the USSR as a basis, analyze the mistakes, refine them by eliminating inefficient directions and start moving to the masses. Maybe not even communism ... socialism.
    1. s1н7т
      0
      4 January 2013 04: 43
      I support, the neighbor! laughing
      True, this is what I thought: socialism, nevertheless, probably, cannot be a goal-idea, it is only an economic means. It turns out that the idea (i.e., a dream and a goal) should still be communism. But, of course, modernly meaningful, or something.
  28. +1
    3 January 2013 13: 07
    I apologize for being somewhat off topic, but I want to share the news.
    News Channel Message: "The French actor GERARD DEPARDIER GOT RUSSIAN CITIZENSHIP !!!"
    1. Russian 72
      +1
      3 January 2013 13: 09
      apparently he did more for our country than "compatriots"
      1. Russian 72
        0
        3 January 2013 13: 29
        That irony was
      2. 0
        4 January 2013 00: 38
        Many Russians are hovering and can’t obtain citizenship, but then again .... Why do we need Depardieu? Hide from taxes? We can.
    2. +1
      3 January 2013 15: 01
      MOSCOW, January 3. / ITAR-TASS /. Vladimir Putin signed a decree on admission to the citizenship of the Russian Federation Gerard Depardieu. The text of the decree is posted on the official website of the head of the Russian state.
      "In accordance with paragraph" a "of Article 89 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, to satisfy the application for admission to the citizenship of the Russian Federation by Depardieu Gerard Xavier, who was born in 1948 in France," the decree says.
    3. +1
      3 January 2013 19: 54
      In record time! And a month has not passed.
      And how now will the President look into the eyes of ethnic Russians, whom they have been scrubbing for years with citizenship?
  29. +3
    3 January 2013 13: 10
    Nat an idea? -Easy: a society of dominant justice, equality, fraternity based on a progressive economic model, and where punishment for breaking the law is inevitable. A society that builds its Army and Navy, capable of guaranteed to defend national interests. A society creating a new Man with a vector of development into space ...
    1. Ingvald_Bueny
      0
      3 January 2013 13: 15
      Utopia is called.
      1. +2
        3 January 2013 13: 39
        "Utopia - it's called." - and this is called despair - disbelief in oneself, by the way, is a grave sin ... And that "utopia" was already built by Stalin, only the dogmas have taken everything away from ideology ...
        1. +2
          3 January 2013 14: 43
          It is better to have an unattainable utopia in the asset (even without reaching its ultimate goal, you will become better) than to constantly sprinkle ash on your head!
  30. Твtvjag
    +1
    3 January 2013 15: 15
    I agree with one of the commenters, the article is some kind of vinigret.
    1. +2
      3 January 2013 15: 47
      The article does not vignette, vinaigrette!
      But seriously, over the past 25 years, titanic efforts have been made in order to smash into pieces, blur the single field of the national spirit. Break into pseudo-national, pseudo-religious and pseudo-political groups and groups.
      Most generally lost all sorts of guidelines.
      Many joined the remake of politics and religion, and do not even notice that they are headed by mummers, and lead them like sheep to slaughter .....
      .....................................
      It’s bitter to watch all this and all the more disgusting to read about it.
      1. s1н7т
        +1
        4 January 2013 04: 48
        Quote: 123dv
        Break into pseudo-national, pseudo-religious and pseudo-political groups and groups.
        Most generally lost all sorts of landmarks

        Yes, many were "led" to all this. A little more, and we are in the Stone Age.
  31. +1
    3 January 2013 16: 02
    Ahead of us is the creation of a powerful CONFEDERATION of countries (remember this word), united around the Russian Federation.
    Something like renewed communism will be the main idea!
    The main impulse will be Brotherhood.
    The whole world recognizes our leadership.
    Despite the fact that we will be strong enough militarily, we will win by love.
    Our tanks, all in colors, and the happy faces of ordinary people on the streets of European cities we will see again ....
    ..................................
    1. s1н7т
      +1
      4 January 2013 04: 51
      Quote: 123dv
      we will win by love.
      Our tanks ... on the streets of European cities we will see again ....

      Some contradiction, don’t you? laughing
      However, the idea suits me.
      1. 0
        4 January 2013 13: 35
        The girl needs to be hugged with strong hands, definitely !!! winked
  32. serg1978
    -4
    3 January 2013 16: 51
    When a Ukrainian (or a Uruguayan, German, Frenchman, or Pole) identifies national ideas for Russia, it alarms me. But do they harness me to carry someone else's water? You look at the previous comment. Why are there so many gingerbread cookies for us? Doesn't stick together?
    Quiet Ukrainian night. BUT SALO SHOULD BE REVERSED !!!!
    1. +1
      3 January 2013 18: 38
      I, my dear, visited the Crimean land for the New Year.
      Not all year in Moscow to sit. )))
      And in the spring I’ll go to Altai, I won’t ask for permission.
      .............................
      for non-rivals I inform you that the flag at the top indicates only the place of sending the message, and not the nationality of the sender.
      1. 0
        3 January 2013 21: 02
        For those who are particularly touchy, I want to clarify - I had in mind the author of the article.
        And 123dv is not your native to me. I know my relatives.
      2. serg1978
        -3
        3 January 2013 21: 11
        Actually, I had in mind the author of the article, but if you want - join. And I mean you.
  33. Volkhov
    +1
    3 January 2013 17: 04
    Why the most progressive idea of ​​war communism (which is certainly better than savagery and cannibalism) is not considered - the war begins, then there will definitely be a geophysical catastrophe ... look at Syria - it’s much better when the commandant gives out flour, and the militia protects the entrances than when the groups roam it is not clear whom with shooting at all.
    After all, you have to choose from real options ... for example, in Ossetia, even after 5 days of war, there was military communism with the distribution of bread and the militia for about a week, and in case of major events this system will last for 5 ... 10 years, until the economy is established , the financial equivalent, is written by "Russkaya Pravda".
    Survivors will come up with more complex building options in caves, long nights at the hearth or simply take the order brought by whole cultures - the Nazis, Zionists or Mars (possibly other external ones), only in this case it is difficult to count on independence.
  34. +4
    3 January 2013 17: 24
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    The only thing you need is excl. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia! Here we obviously do not need THIS!
    NOT many of ours there, but throwing your own is not good.
    1. +1
      3 January 2013 19: 58
      Quote: KRAT
      throw their bad.

      then excl. Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians - they have enough space in Europe))))
  35. Serg_Y
    +1
    3 January 2013 17: 57
    A difficult task, it is easier to combine the EU and Russia.
  36. sincman
    0
    3 January 2013 18: 44
    All of us will be united by Holy Russia! Many, of course, can jerk around, but I think the majority of those present here will like the ideas of Professor L.I. Maslova. Who is not familiar I recommend to study the question http://www.otkroveniya.info/Moskva-26.11.12.html and further on the site. Things are serious enough for awareness and very promising.
    He does not divide into Yours and Ours ... We are all one under God.
    1. Serg_Y
      0
      3 January 2013 19: 37
      Russia is, in my opinion, the 9-14th century, until the 9th we did not communicate with anyone from the "civilized" ones, somehow we got along, there are rare records in Roman and Arabic sources. The Slavs tried from the 4th century to trade with Byzantium through Kiev, but the walks of any nomads along the northern Black Sea coast apparently interfered with this, from the 9th century with the appearance of the Rus (in my understanding of professional guards of merchants), regular trade became possible, and the conclusion of contracts on a more profitable basis (Oleg's shield) ensured the prosperity of Russia. Unfortunately, the movement of the Turkic tribes interrupted this cooperation, and the unsuccessful battle on Kalka led to a split between the Kiev and Vladimir-Suzdal principality. We can still see the result of this split.
  37. +1
    3 January 2013 22: 53
    I was born in the Soviet Union, lived in the Soviet Union, proud of the Soviet Union!
    Be realistic. There will be no USSR 2.0. You cannot enter the same river twice. What do not you see, that even on this site there are no flags of those fighting for the USSR? Only Russians, Ukrainian, Belarusian. There are no others who wish. Yes, and the Slavs have no unity. Do not you see how they have already rewritten the joint history of the "friends", in which Russia is an evil monster? For Russia, there is only one way - everywhere to see only Russia's interest and not to believe the assurances of friendship. Moreover, their problems are above the roof.
    And the article is an attempt to identify problems. Plus an indifferent person.
  38. 0
    3 January 2013 23: 10
    Brothers, what kind of abomination is jumping across the page, with bananas and naked anime girls? By the way, my son is watching this material. How can I remove this "intrusive service"?
  39. -2
    3 January 2013 23: 44
    . Today, with horror, I think I was once a liberal

    Not an article, but some kind of mess, a mess, but conclusions .... Absolutely stupid provocation, but watch rolls.
    Mr. Nevzorov (Nevsky) was a liberal, and degenerated into a purulent liberal.
  40. zs23wesdgggg
    -1
    4 January 2013 02: 45
    It just can't be !!! The FSB has created this http://2qu.ru/poisksng database about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. Really was really scared
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
  41. +1
    4 January 2013 03: 56
    Quote: serg1978
    When a Ukrainian (or a Uruguayan, German, Frenchman, or Pole) identifies national ideas for Russia, it alarms me. But do they harness me to carry someone else's water?

    Firstly, Ukrainian is Russian. Or give me the differences between the Kiev citizen Yaroslav the Wise from his grandson, Novgorod Alexander Nesky
    Secondly. Do you mind people like Suvorov and Pushkin asking Russian politics? Do you know that both are not Russian?
    Thirdly. Yes, you do not harness and do not strain. US and without YOU is enough.

    I’m guys here, we can’t talk about it, but I read the cool definition of some of our Western fans - PORAVALITIK. Here is a quote (the author there Griboedova Woe from Mind parses):
    “A carriage for me, a carriage!”, Which can be translated into modern Russian as “Toyota me, Toyota!” or simply: “It's time to blame.”
    Poravalic - like many patients - is a rather embittered creature. Therefore, for all sorts of “so that everything here falls apart” and “yes, you only feel freaks here”, he usually does not rust.

    Thanks to Stanislav for the article. WELL DONE!!! So them, Euro-worshipers-povoralalikov!
    1. Serg_Y
      0
      4 January 2013 08: 56
      Do not take the remark with hostility, yes Ukrainians and Russians have a common history, but Ukrainians are not Russians and cannot participate in the formation of the national idea of ​​Russia as a state, just as Uruguayans, Germans, French or Poles cannot. Unfortunately, once we fled, we first became Muscovites, and then Russians became sovereign people, Ukrainians remained Ukrainians - squads. Maybe Kalki will no longer be, and we have no unknown enemies, but you once went to the steppes without heavy Northern infantry and all were killed. The Mongols had a state, but there is no Rus, the result is a face, maybe that's why we are not in a hurry to abandon statehood because Light cavalry in the state is enough to put on the prepared armor to turn into heavy.
  42. realt
    0
    15 January 2013 08: 48
    In essence, everything the author and commentators said, he stated his position here: http://vybor.ua/article/referendum/lokalnye-referendumy.html;
    http://vybor.ua/article/sistemnye_problemy_gosudarstvennosti/idet-voyna-duhovnay
    a-elitnaya-voyna.html; http://vybor.ua/article/sistemnye_problemy_gosudarstvennosti/glasnost-my-k-ney-g
    otovy.html
    Clever statements are one thing, but the moral right to them is another. Which of the authors in the 90s rebelled against the occupation regime so much that he was imprisoned or there were attempts to eliminate it (thank God, unsuccessful)? For those who were then born or walked under the table, the terms are shifted, but the criteria remain. Or everyone in his place was engaged and continues to be engaged in personal accomplishment, and in between the bustle continues to pompously fuss here. Who specifically started the sacrificial service or is ready to start one: let's summarize what has been done and build plans for the future based on this. The road is overcome by the one walking! I am grateful to the Author for his articles. Enormous analytical and moral work has been done. Now we need to continue to carry this fire not from topic to topic, but from day to day to the masses at their place of residence, and record the results and share with like-minded people. I offer the author cooperation in this direction. For example, the creation of a School of Practitioners of the National Liberation Movement or the Renaissance of Great Russia - where everyone can share their practical achievements in their daily work to achieve the above ideals. Analyze victories and defeats. The best will have the opportunity to create regional branches and interregional meetings both online and in real life. Including with paid access to some materials. Because the real National Liberation Struggle takes the form of war and carries casualties, including those with human losses, after which someone was left disabled, and someone was orphaned. And this was done not by those with the official status of an organized criminal group, but by the most that neither is state law enforcement agencies. And the people who did this in the 90s - either continue to serve or went on a well-deserved retirement in terms of service, having previously prepared a worthy change for themselves. And the occupation regime represented by legitimate state bodies, etc. bodies of self-government, does everything so that the victims in the fight against him would continue to suffer if they survived, and if not, so that their relatives would suffer. And all of them must be helped by someone, incl. and financially. This is a standard war with all its dirt, pain and suffering, and to plunge into the world of this war is to sink head over heels in this dirt, pain and suffering. Does anybody want? Then here is my helping hand, but no, and no trial! I, too, am not a supporter of numerology, but the series given in one of the articles of the Author is confirmed by the realities, there is something not to relax from, but on the contrary - to mobilize all available resources as much as possible, including in the New Year

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