Shoigu checked the implementation of the state defense order at a defense industry enterprise in the Moscow region

As reported in the telegram channel of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the head of the department, Sergei Shoigu, visited one of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex (DIC), located in the Moscow region. We are talking about an enterprise owned by the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation. The purpose of the Defense Minister's trip there was to check the level of fulfillment of state defense orders at this enterprise.

Sergei Shoigu was accompanied by the head of the Moscow region, Andrei Vorobyov, with whom he inspected the production workshops of the enterprise and the technological process of assembling high-precision weapons.

The head of the corporation, Boris Obnosov, reported to the head of the Ministry of Defense on how the state defense order was being implemented. According to him, over the past six months it has been possible to double the production volume of high-precision weapons, and the output of some products has increased by 3,5-5 times. The company managed to achieve such successes by modernizing production, increasing labor productivity, increasing the number of employees, and switching to a 24/7 work schedule. In addition, Obnosov noted that specialists from other regions were additionally attracted to work at the enterprise.

Having become acquainted with the newest types of weapons launched into mass production at the enterprise, Sergei Shoigu held a meeting with the results of the trip.

Today, our joint work is yielding results, we also have an increase in production volume, not in percentage, but in times, and all this is in great demand in our North-West region

- emphasized the minister.

Comments

[Irokez]

Over the past six months, it has been possible to double the production volume of high-precision weapons, and the output of some products has increased by 3,5-5 times.

Great. We should go out and check more often and post the results.
The Aerospace Forces still need to step up their work with the production of satellites, drones and other fireworks for the collective NATO.

[Rumata]

Quote: Irokez

We should go and check more often

How can a plywood inspector inspect military-industrial complex enterprises????

From 1962 to 1972 he studied at a local school, from 1972 to 1977 at the Krasnoyarsk Polytechnic Institute, from which he graduated with a degree in civil engineering. Didn't serve in the army.

The maximum is probably, if I haven’t forgotten my profession, to inspect the construction of bunkers.

[Irokez]

Quote: Rumata

How plywood can inspect

I'm sorry, who did you mean?

[Rumata]

Quote: Irokez

I'm sorry, who did you mean?

5 years ago
Well, that's it... now let's live! Thanks for the victory
3 years ago
Nighing thanks
6 years ago
Go, what a shame!
6 years ago
It's absolutely amazing to watch with music from the Benny Hill show
6 years ago
Did they spend 20 billion rubles from the budget on this?
6 years ago
funny troops took the funny Reichstag. Polunin is resting. but grandmothers are not funny. all this crap costs a maximum of 10 lyams. the remaining 19 rubles were spent. Kuzhugetych - respect!!!

[Irokez]

Do you know that such events (historical reconstruction) were organized in almost every big city (and maybe small ones too) and, horror of horrors, money was allocated from the budgets for them. So people went to them and with great pleasure to places like the “Park of Patriots” and there is nothing wrong with that because it is a memory.
A lot of people are interested in the past and buy old weapons, uniforms and other items, which is quite normal, just like collecting cars and driving to resorts.
If a building was made from plywood, then it is also normal from a cost point of view, but imagine if it was made from stone, then it would be called “stone”, right?
It seems to me that you look too biased at some people and distort or exaggerate everything connected with them due to personal hostility.

[Rumata]

Quote: Irokez

It seems to me that you look too biased at some people and distort or exaggerate everything connected with them due to personal hostility.

Exactly. Personal hostility at least since the time when the generals closed the topic in which I was in graduate school. And they immediately shaved me for 2 years as a lieutenant. 2 years of work in the profession in the toilet. Today this topic is being revived. How many years have been lost!
And how many excellent projects of aerospace companies died because of stupid generals.
And what were these fat creatures doing when the Volga tumbled out of the black Volga to take a look at the tests!
There is a special “love” for Shoigu
If you want, look at my profile on Discus - how many years have I been chasing UAVs, but instead plywood Reichstags.
Even 4 years ago, the generals laughed at A. Zakharov. On 24.02.2022/4/15 there were only XNUMX (four!!!) working Lancets. But he convulsed “in the garage” for XNUMX years in order to penetrate the UAV.
This is a personal dislike for the generals, turning into hatred.

[Irokez]

You know, I understand you in many ways in terms of grievances about the past.
That is, when a person is passionate about something, and then they stop him or say that it is not necessary, then there is disappointment and resentment towards people and the fact that an interesting direction is closed and after that they give up. This happened too.
When I tried to analyze how it turns out, I’m making progress, the following turns out to be that all people are different in character and passion, hobbies, and interests in general, and therefore if a manager who is not interested in someone’s hobby or passion closes or stops the process, then he always bad and a bastard for someone who did his favorite thing or hobby. Well, it’s like taking away a child’s favorite toy, for example. Yes, in terms of grievances, everything is clear.
Now let's analyze it from the other side.
The manager (I mean normal from the point of view of enterprise management) sees the whole picture of who is doing what and determines the strategy for further development and evaluates investments and costs in different directions from which he decides what to develop further and what to stop or even close down due to inexpediency or lack of funding, or from short-sightedness (which is not stupidity or stupidity for him), or according to new plans and orders from above. Accordingly, he has no worries about what to cover up or continue to develop, because everything is influenced by the current situation, plans or finances with personal preferences. As a result, for you personally, he is a villain and a bastard because he has covered up a business that you love, but for him, he really doesn’t care where to go and he doesn’t feel any feelings for the offended person and in general may not even understand why others are so angry with him.
I will also say that it is impossible to master all areas of the development of science and technology due to the lack of funds and opportunities, and therefore only the most promising for the current time or fashionable (hype) are developed.
And here these UAVs that did not develop before the SVO, I can guess why they did not develop.
It all depends on how certain areas of military operations performed in the past - let’s analyze:
- war 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. It was fast and victorious, where many miscalculations and comments on the conduct of battles were revealed, the need for modern technology was revealed, but no one worked or used UAVs.
- Afghanistan, expensive and large drones of a highly civilized country against the natives, but no kamikazes.
- Israel - Lebanon. During terrorist attacks on Israel, there are no UAVs, or at least a minimum, and all are homemade missiles, despite the fact that civilian UAVs are sold everywhere.
- Syria. UAVs are in the most minimal sizes and you don’t hear much about them.
- Armenia - Azerbaijan. The most extreme version of the collision, where only Bayraktar attack UAVs were present, but not mass kamikazes, and again against the weak Armenian army.
- Ukraine 2014-2022. Where is the role of UAVs? There are none.
Well, what conclusion can be drawn from all that has been said?
But it turns out that before the SVO, UAVs were not considered a serious direction in the theories of warfare in many headquarters of the world, and most likely our Defense Ministry also calculated future behavior on the battlefield. And it turns out that literally everyone in the world miscalculated this direction, although Iran with its “martyrs” (Geraniums) developed its own tactics at random, or they simply assumed, or got it, and they managed to develop and produce them in large quantities, which helped us in the first months SVO, and they were most likely intended for a potential war against the enemies of Iran (given its isolation).
The Northern Military District happened and two highly organized powers (the Slavs know how to fight) grappled and used all possible directions of warfare, and this is where the UAVs showed themselves. But it was precisely at this time, and not in the past when you worked and were closed or someone fought for 15 years, but they did not listen to him, and I explained above why.
This is most likely what happened with the UAVs, and the Ministry of Defense should not be blamed for the miscalculation either, because they were thinking about rearmament with limited money and there were no prerequisites for war, and there were no tactics with the massive use of UAVs, and much more. Therefore, seeing today's realities and blaming someone for the past is not entirely correct; even Vanga did not predict everything accurately.
If you have your own thoughts about my analysis, write.

[Rumata]

Quote: Irokez

If you have your own thoughts about my analysis, write.

I won’t write in detail - it’s too late.
Briefly.
I see these graters as a battle between innovative designers and retrograde Skalozub generals, who are always preparing for past wars.
Revolutionary breakthroughs have always made their way through sweat and blood. Remember how the military rejected automatic weapons “because there weren’t enough bullets.”
All this is described in the most brilliant of geniuses, the greatest timeless work of Russian literature: “In England, guns are not cleaned with bricks.”
How do you like the generally tragic figures of Dyakonov, Zander, Bartini, Myasishchev, Alekseev..... who were unable to fully realize their potential.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Rumata

I see these graters as a battle between innovative designers and retrograde Skalozub generals, who are always preparing for past wars.

Well, in the USSR they once tried to give free rein to design engineers. As you know, the Mi-28\Ka-52 competition was unique in that the generals gave the design bureau complete freedom in the development of the attack helicopter concept itself. And what happened? The “revolutionary breakthroughs” very quickly built a lobby in the highest echelons, slowed down the competition and development for more than 5 years, and ultimately pushed through the stillborn concept of a single-seat helicopter. Which was immediately sent to the museum upon acceptance. And now our armed forces have TWO attack helicopters of a morally outdated design, which, if everything had been done properly, would now be removed from service.
I can remind you of quite a few situations where “engineers” wasted resources without ultimately producing anything other than the phrase “a negative result is also a result.”
Yes, generals tend to prepare for the past war.
And engineers tend to sell for the state. due to your curiosity.
And the truth is that neither one nor the other has any idea what will be needed in a future war. And among them there are many adventurers and simply scammers.

Don't make absolutes. A profession does not make a person either a genius or an idiot.

[tralflot1832]

Dear Russian Defense Ministry, when will the Black Sea Fleet test NATO-Zircon in Ukraine so that everyone will shut up?

[Dedok]

Shoigu checked the implementation of the state defense order at a defense industry enterprise in the Moscow region

how much can you imagine ordinary work as something important, unattainable...
or is it not his responsibility, but his subordinates?
but in general it turns out that without his supervision, everyone sits and picks their nose

[Egeny]

not in percentages, but in times...

“...all this is in great demand in our Northeast Military District zone,” the minister emphasized.”
...no problems with the nose.)

[Reader 2013]

Day 4 production was paralyzed, preparations were made for the visit

[tralflot1832]

Reader 2013. You've probably never met a top person. The first rule is that everything works. I have experience more than once. Those who ensure the security of top officials of the state are very, terribly competent specialists with a technical education.

[Reader 2013]

No, I just met that, not at production, but at construction sites, a headache began within a week, the route of movement, lock this, then seal the glass doors with paper, seal here as you want, then you will redo it, etc., and so on in the day and on the day of everyone’s visit behind the fence, that is, we spend two days perfecting the route, two days of downtime and then redoing what we hysterically put together))

[Reader 2013]

And all this costs money, thrown away
.....,...

[Asad]

Andrey, I personally encountered this, albeit a long time ago at the Chkalovsky plant. What was more satisfying was my management and not the security.

[Reader 2013]

And I myself was a manager and had to force employees to do idiotic work because of the wishes of the FSO,

[matsur]

Did you paint the grass and borders?))) What else do people like to do?

[ximkim]

Today, our joint work is yielding results, we also have an increase in production volume, not in percentage, but in times, and all this is in great demand in our North-West region

The military-industrial complex is facing a difficult time.

[spirit]

Plywood came to visit his godson. Probably a banquet will be thrown on this occasion

[Irokez]

Quote: spirit

Plywood has arrived

Oh, can I ask you who we’re talking about?

[spirit]

Plywood! The famous general of the Laotian army, an expert in cutting pillboxes from baobab trees in Africa. You need to know such people. Who are you thinking about?

[Irokez]

Thank you, I didn’t know about the Laotian generals, that’s why I asked because I didn’t know and didn’t think who it could be.

[Factor]

Essentially confirmation that Russia is not ready for war.
They were further optimized and reformed, so that their defense capability dropped significantly.
We have not been able to defeat the Wehrmacht for 1,5 years.
What will happen if NATO comes in not with the old weapons that they dumped on the Reich, but with more modern ones?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Factor

What will happen if NATO comes in not with the old weapons that they dumped on the Reich, but with more modern ones?

I'm afraid it's:

The Russian Federation views nuclear weapons solely as a means of deterrence, the use of which is an extreme and forced measure, and makes all necessary efforts to reduce the nuclear threat and prevent the aggravation of interstate relations that could provoke military conflicts, including nuclear ones.

So it will remain words like “red lines”.
Where do such assumptions come from? If during the Second World War saboteurs, looters, saboteurs and spies were fought in the most brutal ways, then during today’s the war In the Northern Military District we are marking time, not knowing what the headquarters will come up with tomorrow.

[Al manah]

Don't be afraid, this won't happen. After all there kids and gold...

[opuonmed]

I wish they would rivet nuclear missiles on Hyper so that the United States and Europe would grab their heads and install them closer to the United States!

[bone1]

Can’t you just look at the numbers in the papers? Or will they cheat you with them?

[Al manah]

Shoigu checked

Did you dig through the papers personally? Or was the check that the director reported to him what he could have reported over the phone? Does the minister really not have auditors under his command? What a horror, all by myself, all by myself...

[phrases]

The check proceeded as usual. The inspector was raging and demanded that management report this very second. They reported more than usual. The face became kinder and gave the command to take the tables on the occasion of the successful completion.

[Nikolay Dyaglev]

I remembered the Comedy Club video with Kharlamov, where they were supposed to produce 1000 tractors, but in fact 5, but this is not certain

[dump22]

video of the Comedy Club with Kharlamov, where they were supposed to produce 1000 tractors, but in fact 5, but this is not certain

Seem to be,
They needed a million, but they released 4...
But the tractor has a good name - “Dobrynya”!

[AlOrg]

Quote: Rumata

The maximum is probably, if I haven’t forgotten my profession, to inspect the construction of bunkers.

Well, he can distribute pendals to speed up production. And this is exactly what is needed now

[vinschu]

As Professor Preobrazhensky said: “Every day you have to give YOURSELF a slap on the head!” and kick off!!!