The laws are the same for everyone... Except Chechnya

This week the Russian media field shook up story with the beating of Nikita Zhuravel, detained for burning the Koran in Volgograd, by Adam Kadyrov (son of Ramzan Kadyrov) in the pre-trial detention center of Grozny. Corresponding posted a video the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov himself, stated that he was “proud of his son’s action” and “respects his choice.”

In addition to Kadyrov, the video of the beating of the prisoner was also posted by the Chechen Minister of National Policy, External Relations, Press and Information Akhmed Dudayev - in his video the beating is complemented by a video sequence of Chechen songs, and at the end of the video a portrait of the minor son of the head of Chechnya in a national costume with a dagger is shown.

The publication of this video raised several questions that many are afraid to say out loud: do the laws of the Russian Federation apply to Chechnya or does it live by its own special laws? Why can Chechens commit crimes with impunity that would be punishable in any other regions of Russia? We will discuss this in this material.

Why did Ramzan Kadyrov publish a video of beating a prisoner?

The first question that arises is: for what purpose did Ramzan Kadyrov show the public a video of the beating of the arrested Zhuravel?

After all, it is obvious that it contains not just elements of a crime, but in principle undermines the foundations of the constitutional rights of citizens and faith in fair justice. Adam Kadyrov comes to the pre-trial detention center with his father, beats the prisoner there (in the presence of police officers, the Federal Penitentiary Service, and someone openly films this action) and calmly leaves without any consequences. Law enforcement agencies pretend that nothing happened. This is clearly an abnormal situation.

The point is not even that Ramzan Kadyrov did not have the right to take his minor son with him to a pre-trial detention center (minors can end up in FSIN institutions only as children of the accused during a long visit).

Let's imagine that the situation occurred in another region of Russia - what does the reader think, would law enforcement agencies react to this? The answer is obvious.

You don’t have to look far for examples - in 2018, for example, a FSIN officer was arrested in Kaliningrad, suspected of beating a prisoner, and in 2021, FSIN employees were detained in Yaroslavl after a video of prisoners being beaten appeared on the Internet.

But let’s return to the question of why Kadyrov published this video.

He simply could not help but know what kind of reaction he would cause (good media people work for him).

The answer, in the author's opinion, is simple - the video was shown to show that the Chechens will get those they consider their enemies anywhere, including in a pre-trial detention center. And the laws do not dictate to them.

This was a kind of act of intimidation. This publication cannot be explained in any other way.

The reaction of the authorities is no reaction

How did government officials react to this publication?

Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov I refuse comment on what happened:

“I will not comment on the story with Kadyrov’s son. Don't want".

Member of the Human Rights Council under the President of Russia Eva Merkacheva said that the publication of this video is a challenge to law enforcement agencies.

“The investigation now has video evidence, there is testimony from essentially public persons who represent the government of Chechnya. All this is enough to initiate a criminal case. We don’t know whether it will be aroused or not... Ramzan Akhmatovich assumes that nothing will happen to his son. Accordingly, he makes a challenge to the entire legal system of Russia, makes a challenge, it seems to me, to the legislative and executive authorities.”

Vice Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of the Krasnoyarsk Territory Alexey Kulesh said, that this is a creepy video, and it’s creepy because it is openly published by a representative of the regional authorities.

“Creepy video. And the creepy thing is not that a prisoner is beaten in a pre-trial detention center - we know that such cases are not uncommon. What is terrible is not that a person is beaten for reasons of religious hatred. And not by essentially beating a child, but with unchildish cruelty. It’s terrible that the head of the Russian region publishes the video, publishes it, internally rejoicing and approving of his son’s action, publishes it with the full understanding that nothing will follow this video.”

Military correspondent Alexander Kots, in turn, wrote that the video should be commented on by the head of the Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin, by whose decision the case against Zhuravel was transferred to the investigative department of the Russian Investigative Committee for the Chechen Republic in connection with “numerous appeals from residents of the Chechen Republic with a request to recognize them as victims” ( the fact is that the fact of transferring the case to another region is illegal, since a criminal case is being investigated at the place where the crime was committed).

“In a rule-of-law state, crimes are punished by imprisonment, and not by beatings in the offices of a pre-trial detention center,”

– notes Kots.

It is worth noting that many government officials, as well as journalists, military officers and bloggers did not comment on this incident at all, pretending that nothing had happened.

As a conclusion, I would like to quote the author of one of the Telegram channels:

“What can’t the Chechen authorities do in the Russian Federation?
Where are the limits of their power - both in terms of permissible and in terms of geographical coverage?..
And what conditions will never be accepted?

Comments

[zontov79]

I saw this video, Kadyrov’s son squeezed this boy more. One question for Bastrykin, he was arrested in Volgograd, and why was he transferred to Chechnya. Bastrykin is an old substance that can do nothing but create nightmares for ordinary citizens. After this video, Bastrykin should have at least gotten excited; there is obvious lawlessness in the video. And Ramzanka is of course wrong, now there is a war, and he is inciting interethnic hatred. I wonder what these two characters were thinking?

[Uncle lee]

the head of the Russian region, publishes, internally rejoicing and approving of his son’s action, publishes with the full understanding that nothing will follow this video

But nothing will happen to him... He imagines himself to be the deputy of Allah on Earth.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Uncle Lee

the head of the Russian region, publishes, internally rejoicing and approving of his son’s action, publishes with the full understanding that nothing will follow this video

But nothing will happen to him... He imagines himself to be the deputy of Allah on Earth.

How is this Chechen son different from the Svidobanderites who mock Russian prisoners? I will answer. Nothing. They also think they are right.

[Negro]

Quote: 30 vis

How is this Chechen son different from the Svidobanderites who mock Russian prisoners? I will answer. Nothing.

Uh-uh.

I remember his dad said that during the first Chechen war he fought the Russians shoulder to shoulder with the future Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy “Rabbit” Yatsenyuk. So your analogy is even better than it sounds.

[Relic Empire]

I searched and searched in the open spaces about Yatsenyukha the horseman... I couldn’t find Nifuy... But by the looks of it - yes! Noble, abrek. He will run 100 kilometers in full gear through the mountains.

[roosei]

agree. he simply continues to pursue a course towards the feudalization of Chechnya, followed by withdrawal from Russia

[New Order]

Compared to the tribal system, feudalism is a great progress.

[wlkw]

He won’t leave Russia, he won’t. For what? He can already do EVERYTHING and nothing will happen to him for it. Because there is a “roof” and the federal budget to help him.
The entire economic model is built on it. If you leave Russia, what will he (they) live on???

[UAZ 452]

Why is everyone surprised? The approach is not new, and is well known - the presence of certain internal enclaves where the laws of the country are observed... somewhat peculiar. For the Americans, this is, for example, the Guantanamo Bay base, where it is quite possible to torture prisoners and keep them behind bars forever without any court verdict. So in this respect, Chechnya is Russia's Guantanamo.
But the leadership of the American base in Cuba does not send its subordinates to any place on US territory to capture those whom this very leadership points out, and no one there proudly displays videos of torture and beatings online. Well, why should the elder Kadyrov, and especially the younger one, be afraid? Bastrykin personally sent this guy to Chechnya from Volgograd, completely disregarding the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation, and everyone knows whose classmate and creature Bastrykin is. Well, won’t the head of the Investigative Committee initiate a case against himself?

[New Order]

Does Guantanamo have its own president, its own special services, its own mini-army?

[UAZ 452]

Does the leader (governor) of the Chechen Republic have all this (officially)?

[Blackmokona]

Quote: UAZ 452

Does the leader (governor) of the Chechen Republic have all this (officially)?

Guantanamo was removed from its special status a long time ago; even some prisoners there have been released through appeals to the courts for many years.

[bk316]

But nothing will happen to him... He imagines himself to be the deputy of Allah on Earth.

And according to the law, nothing will happen to him.
What are you going to charge him with?
116 of the Criminal Code?
231 of the Criminal Code?
So he's underage.
So this is not heroism and not a civic position.
This is a show off.
Unfortunately, this is common among Chechens.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

And I wrote that all the questions here are for Bastrykin and the employees of the Federal Penitentiary Service, who organized all this.

[Mol_18]

Intentional infliction of moderate or serious harm to health. here a whole sentence based on the totality of crimes can be drawn up, because We still have criminal liability from the age of 14.

[Negro]

Quote: Andrey Shibakov

Debils have no place in Russia.

Are you writing from exile?

[KLM77]

No matter how much he considers you a moron, then “have fun.”

[Asad]

Problems with justice are approaching us like a snowball from a mountain. The law only applies to ordinary citizens. And Kadyrov reports on successes in the Kremlin.

[Stas157]

No matter how badly they speak about the “uncivilized” West and many Asian countries, it is customary for them to at least resign after this. We are demonstrating that laws do not work for everyone. But the worst thing is that the state is no longer responsible for the safety of its own citizens. And this is the basic basis that makes a state a state.

. Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation:
“I will not comment on the story with Kadyrov’s son. I do not want»

Peskov chose to be irresponsible and did not answer an uncomfortable question.

So resign from your post if do not want work and treat your responsibilities as you wish. I see it here, I don’t see it there, they wrapped the fish here, but I just don’t want that. Very nimble gentleman.

. beats up, basically, a child

Right from kindergarten! I wouldn't want to fall into the hands of such a child.

[AUL]

Quote: Stas157

. beats up, basically, a child

Right from kindergarten! I wouldn't want to fall into the hands of such a child.

Well, his daddy boasted that he killed his FIRST Russian at the age of 16, also a minor.
I remember that after the events in Kandopog, Kadyrov promised on the first channel to the whole country to send a battalion of his abreks there to restore order. But our Supreme Commander-in-Chief remained silent and wiped himself off. I'm sure it will wipe off now.
Well, are there many people left who want to see Kadyrov on the list of candidates for next year’s presidential elections?

[seamen2]

*Well, are there many people left who want to see Kadyrov on the list of candidates for next year’s presidential elections?*
Kadyrov is a serious uncle. Unlike the one you wrote about, it disappeared. So the choice is obvious. Especially now.

[Revolver]

Quote: ASAD

And Kadyrov reports on successes in the Kremlin.

But this video confirms that Kadyrov is alive, in spite of the machinations and stuffing of TsIPSO and Liberda.

[roosei]

not only reports, he also forced Putin to build a mosque in Moskvabad

[gsev]

Quote: roosei

not only reports, he also forced Putin to build a mosque in Moskvabad

In the capital of the People's Republic of China, Beijing, where relatively few Muslims live, more than a hundred mosques were built under the communists, who are accused of persecuting Muslims. Why are you so obsessed with a new mosque in a city where approximately half of the children of primary school age are Muslim?

[matsur]

Quote: gsev

Quote: roosei

not only reports, he also forced Putin to build a mosque in Moskvabad

In the capital of the People's Republic of China, Beijing, where relatively few Muslims live, more than a hundred mosques were built under the communists, who are accused of persecuting Muslims. Why are you so obsessed with a new mosque in a city where approximately half of the children of primary school age are Muslim?

Above, someone wrote about Peskov “I see here, but I don’t see here,” but inside everyone there lives such a Peskov. I see nationalists there, but here they are not. Mosques are not allowed, we are not nationalists, we just hate blacks and Asians. The Tajik pilot had to die a hero, after which he was called the most Russian officer, in comparison with the real Russian who hijacked. The article is recent, you can search it on VO.

[gsev]

Quote from Matsur

Mosques are not allowed, we are not nationalists, we just hate blacks and Asians.

A friend of mine who is Kyrgyz on his father’s side and Tatar on his mother’s side decided to enter a Russian university through Kyrgyzstan. In fact, a citizen of Kyrgyzstan has an advantage over a Russian for admission to a Russian university. Having ended up in a Russian school in Kyrgyzstan, my acquaintance, a C-grade student in Moscow, turned out to be an excellent student there who has a good chance of getting a higher education in South Korea, China or Europe. In fact, Russia gives immigrants from Central Asia great advantages in obtaining a fairly high education. Moreover, these advantages can be realized both when studying in Russian secondary educational institutions directly in Russia, and in Russian schools in Central Asia. You just don’t need to worry too much while studying. A friend of mine is studying at a school at the Russian Orthodox Church in Kyrgyzstan and, being a Muslim, regularly visits the priest of the church where his school exists with courtesy visits.

[Reklastik]

. Why are you so obsessed with a new mosque in a city where approximately half of the children of primary school age are Muslim?

- I am sure that if something happens in Beijing, China, against a society or state associated with Muslims, the Chinese authorities will respond very harshly to the faithful. They always strictly suppress any unrest. We are being bullied by our authorities because they are toothless and cannot maintain basic order and enforce the laws they themselves have adopted. And when our authorities decide, a lot of blood will be shed and it will be too late. None of us want this. Power can be Nazi, communist, capitalist, but it must exist and must manifest itself clearly and clearly. In Russia it’s not a teddy bear, our entire government is teddy. Moreover, it pinches very selectively criminals, turning a blind eye to things that are glaringly obvious to ordinary citizens.

[gsev]

Quote: Reklastik

- I am sure that if something happens in Beijing, China, against a society or state associated with Muslims, the Chinese authorities will respond very harshly to the faithful.

I had the opportunity to see how, once in Russia, purebred Chinese from practically the elite of China are trying to demonstrate independence from the Chinese state. This doesn't end well for them. A Chinese person with average abilities, if he simply carries out the will of his state without any emphasis, will inevitably achieve success. If you look at the fate of Russian aircraft designers I know from Moscow aircraft factories, success comes to those who left the state military-industrial complex for private production. Kadyrov created a system that effectively serves Russia. The Russian idiot burned the Koran and the whole world saw that this idiot was serving his sentence under the supervision of Muslims and not in hothouse conditions. Therefore, all issues with the desecration of Muslim values ​​and politicians from Muslim countries and ordinary people turn to Kadyrov, accusing him of all sins and praising him for the fact that no one else in Russia burns the Koran with impunity. Ramzan simply freed Putin from a complex and difficult responsibility and transferred it to himself. I think neither Peskov nor even Bastrykin could so gently and humanely nip the epidemic of sacrilege against the shrines of Islam in the bud with a couple of slaps on the head. Is there a Tibetan, Kazakh, Mongolian or Uighur politician in the PRC who was able to create an effective military structure fighting for the interests of the PRC, just as Kadyrov’s structures fought for the interests of the Russian state.

[wlkw]

It’s a waste of time to include minuses. Without a doubt, Kadyrov does the dirty work, but not because he is such a greyhound, although that too. He knows that this is “his” work, not Peskov’s.
These are his duties in this state. This is also worth thinking about.
I myself am not a Muslim, but I am against burning the Koran or the Bible or anything else. What happened causes an ambivalent feeling.
Somehow you don’t feel sorry for the young arsonist at all, he’s a potential arsonist of a religious war. He’ll be smarter if he lives, he shouldn’t be killed, in theory.
The fact that this is lawlessness is clear. On the other hand, it has always been this way. It’s sad and so it will be. This is the real world.

[gsev]

Quote: wlkw

It’s a waste of time to include minuses. Without a doubt, Kadyrov does the dirty work, but not because he is such a greyhound, although that too. He knows that this is “his” work, not Peskov’s.

I received information about the number of mosques in Beijing from a Chinese engineer friend. By the way, there was a high-profile case in the PRC, when it seems after the death of Mao: in Xinjiang, the Uyghurs applied for permission to build a mosque, and having received a refusal, they built this mosque themselves at their own expense. At first, the Chinese government tried to demolish the mosque. As a result, approximately 4000 died in battles with tanks and artillery, mobilization into Islamic militias. And this is for approximately an area with a population of 20 people.. As a result, the PRC government paid compensation to the families of the dead and wounded, restored the mosque with money from the central government and sharply increased the number of armed people's militia (something between special forces, the FSB and internal troops) in the province Xinjiang. Since then, the PRC has maintained a certain balance in the relations of the communists with Islam. The fact that there have been no terrorist attacks in Xinjiang for about 000 years is a credit not only to Chinese counterintelligence but also to the Chinese civil authorities..

[Mikhail Ivanov]

I don't think so! By the way, I know Kadyrov. Therefore, I am sure that he was called for different purposes, but they definitely shook their finger at his son and this video and knocked on the table with their fist. The question is that apart from this, no other punishments will follow.

[Luminman]

Quote: zontov79

arrested in Volgograd, why were they transferred to Chechnya

This is the most important question...

[sadam2]

We are not on the same path with gay Europe. We are building a state according to concepts. sledgehammer mercenaries open Sicilian showdowns infantryman without control... these are the signs of the times... if only for the good of the vertical... as Simonyansha said the laws only hinder us
The highlanders train the wolf cub from an early age to blood by the don ... academician)))
By the way, the reaction was from Breadwinner yesterday - we will build a new mosque in Butovo... Akhmat Sila)))
It will be interesting who will control it after Vova and how?

[Al manah]

It will be interesting who will control it after Vova and how?

Himself, because he will be after Vova.

[UAZ 452]

It is still unclear which of them controls whom to a greater extent.

[Stas157]

Quote: Luminman

This is the most important question...

The answer is obvious to everyone from the video why.

[MeVED]

Quote: Stas157

Quote: Luminman

This is the most important question...

The answer is obvious to everyone from the video why.

Not at all obvious. Kadyrov would not deliberately go into conflict with the state just for the sake of pride. So there was a goal. Considering that now all forces are directed towards the Northern Military District, he understands that an interethnic conflict is not at all necessary. Apparently he wants money.

[ZAV69]

Quote: Luminman

This is the most important question

Most likely, in order to nip in the bud the wave of imitation of the Swedish Koran burners... Now, if at one time Pussy Riot had been punished properly and not semi-symbolically, then the crane would have been careful not to burn the Koran. They probably promised him that he would serve 15 days and that’s all...

[UAZ 452]

If, according to the law, the sentence for such an act is 15 days, then they should give 15 days. If the punishment is not enough - we have an entire State Duma, hundreds of deputies of which have made reservations from mobilization for themselves in order to pass laws - let them make changes to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. For example, they are introducing a new type of punishment: sending to Chechnya. But for Bastrykin and Kadyrov to do whatever they want, without remembering that the country has some kind of laws, is a direct path to the collapse of the country, which no amount of riots could achieve, no matter how much they rage. But wrestlers can fight them.

[sgrabik]

Impunity always gives rise to permissiveness, so all these characters appear, and Pussy Wright, and this liberal degenerate Zhuravel, and everyone like them, and only either inadequate bawlers or characters paid for by our Western “partners” can condemn harsh punishment for such crimes.

[hound]

“Impunity always gives rise to permissiveness” - you should at least re-read what you yourself write.

[gsev]

Quote: Luminman

arrested in Volgograd, why were they transferred to Chechnya

This is the most important question...

SBU agent Zhuravel tried to drag Russia into a confrontation with the entire Muslim world. He was forced to serve his sentence under Kadyrov's supervision in a Muslim region to demonstrate to his potential followers that such attempts would be harshly suppressed. The act of beating Zhuravel is simply an act of humanism on the part of the Russian leadership. Seeing that the SBU agents will try to do safer things like sabotage on railways instead of burning the Koran. In principle, it would be useful to introduce regular flogging for those convicted of setting fire to military registration and enlistment offices or control cabinets on railways. I would even give teachers the right at teacher councils to punish notorious hooligans at school with flogging or expulsion from school with the obligation to get a job or go to a paid private school.

[sunzhenets]

Quote: gsev

SBU agent Zhuravel tried to drag Russia into a confrontation with the entire Muslim world. He was forced to serve his sentence under Kadyrov's supervision in a Muslim region to demonstrate to his possible followers that such attempts would be harshly suppressed

The actions of a family of heroic academician infantry soldiers oppose Russia to Chechnya much more strongly than a dozen SBU agents could do. And transferring a person under investigation to Grozny is boundless lawlessness and is called “throwing him into the press hut.”

Quote: gsev

The act of beating Zhuravel is simply an act of humanism on the part of the Russian leadership.

Judging by the spelling of the word “humanism”, you have never encountered it before. It is sad. Beating people under investigation is not humane, it is a crime, for which they are held criminally liable. To post such videos and publicly approve them - for me, this is inciting ethnic hatred. Bringing a stranger to a person under investigation or a convicted person is an abuse of official authority.
It’s also sad that when the chairman of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation put a bolt on the Criminal Procedure Code, the subject of the Russian Federation is led by a certain person who put a bolt on the Criminal Procedure Code, and the higher authorities saw nothing, don’t know anything, don’t comment on anything.

Quote: gsev

In principle, it would be useful to introduce regular flogging for those convicted of setting fire to military registration and enlistment offices or control cabinets on railways.

Now I will surprise you - there is no such punishment as flogging in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

[gsev]

Quote: Sunflower

Now I will surprise you - there is no such punishment as flogging in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

And if such punishment were introduced for hooligans, racketeers, drug couriers, pimps, arsonists of military registration and enlistment offices and saboteurs on the railways, then this would sharply reduce crime in Russia. In the PRC there is the death penalty for gross violations of tax evasion and fairly simple taxation for ordinary small businessmen. As a result, a year in the PRC under Yeltsin, several hundred were convicted under this article and a hundred were shot. In Russia, there are several tens of thousands of women with higher education for several years. Divide 30 by 000 and we get approximately 50 lost human lives. Taking into account that there were 600 times more people in the PRC at that time, the Chinese with execution were about 6 times more humane than Yeltsin. Zhuravel was slightly beaten, but there were no terrorist attacks like the shooting of the editorial office of a satirical magazine, as happened in Paris.

[realing]

Quote: gsev

Quote: Luminman

arrested in Volgograd, why were they transferred to Chechnya

This is the most important question...

SBU agent Zhuravel tried to drag Russia into a confrontation with the entire Muslim world. He was forced to serve his sentence under Kadyrov's supervision in a Muslim region to demonstrate to his potential followers that such attempts would be harshly suppressed. The act of beating Zhuravel is simply an act of humanism on the part of the Russian leadership. Seeing that the SBU agents will try to do safer things like sabotage on railways instead of burning the Koran. In principle, it would be useful to introduce regular flogging for those convicted of setting fire to military registration and enlistment offices or control cabinets on railways. I would even give teachers the right at teacher councils to punish notorious hooligans at school with flogging or expulsion from school with the obligation to get a job or go to a paid private school.

You shouldn't forget to take your pills.
Everything is much simpler, Kadyrov wants and can demonstrate power and permissiveness, that’s all.

[bob03]

What's unclear here? To intimidate the population.

[Dima68]

Because we have too toothless legislation and a sea of ​​well-fed human rights activists. You can stage a demonic dance in a functioning church, burn the Koran in front of cameras for money, rape children and then get a relatively short sentence.
That’s why this moron was sent to Chechnya, so that others would not be able to set fire to the country from the inside.

[carpenter]

Quote: zontov79

Bastrykin is an old substance that can do nothing but create nightmares for ordinary citizens.

When the Swedes burned the Koran, we were all indignant, but here you see an “ordinary” Russian citizen was beaten to death for the same action. And all this went to pieces after the Swedes, the “fifth column” and TsIPsO know well in Volgograd. And in your opinion, you can’t beat him, but you can give him a medal.
They got off their ass, so well done, he knew what he was raising his hand to. Let him be glad that he wasn't killed.

[zontov79]

Yes, I don’t justify this fool who burned the Koran, but! If the law provides for punishment, then it must be done according to the law! And not what is happening now!

[Revolver]

Quote: zontov79

this must be done according to the law

And there they live according to concepts.

[vik669]

And there they live according to concepts - and you’re from here and how you live and live there!

[vik669]

No - this is not a fool, this is an enemy with all that follows from this...! Boys like Kolya from Novy Urengoy and others like him grew up and spread all over Russia!

[Asad]

We don’t have an article in the criminal code for such a crime? Eat.

[tralflot1832]

carpenter. I demand that the practice of the USSR be introduced, if a person commits a socially dangerous act, he simply disappears somewhere for a long time. A conversation is being held with his family. And then I see the commentators here are getting excited, they want a strong Russia - so let’s remember the experience of the USSR, there should be power sometimes be cruel in order to be a support for everyone. The first rule under the USSR is never to contradict the authorities. You can only ask correctly. In this case, the Chechens competently asked - give this individual to us, we are the most affected party from his actions - you will receive it!

[AUL]

Quote: tralflot1832

.The first rule under the USSR is never to contradict the authorities

Or those who broke through to power, no matter how!

Quote: tralflot1832

I demand that the USSR practice be introduced: if a person commits a socially dangerous act, he simply disappears somewhere for a long time. A conversation is held with his family.

It was so. Not according to the law, but according to “revolutionary expediency.” It was a nice time! If you are wearing a leather jacket, then you interpret this expediency as it suits you. So demand, demand more strongly a return to this!

[Comrade I]

If you're wearing a leather jacket...

Such characters in the comments are counting on receiving the coveted leather jacket. Ugh, even in the comments like the last cuckolds. What they have in life is interesting.

[UAZ 452]

But they all know history very poorly: in all countries, at all times, sooner or later the need arises to return from “revolutionary expediency” to ordinary banal legality. And then the last act will certainly involve shooting the owners of leather jackets, as the fate of all Stalin’s NKVD people’s commissars seems to hint at.

[Comrade I]

Absolutely true, they always forget about this.

[Sofievka]

And you remember the classic, “Walking through torment”, everything is spelled out there - sailor Chugai “and then they all fall into the ravine” and this is how it all ends, another purgatory

[Don Analyst]

In Tsimlyansk there is a street of the commissar, the Latvian rifleman Azin (Azinks).
The White Cossacks himself interrogated, he himself tortured, he himself shot. When he was captured, the Cossacks chopped him into small pieces with sabers, so that there was no corpse...

[m..]

Are Muslims only in Chechnya, the more they are the injured party, because there is more radical Islam, so what?

[realing]

If only you were so smart and in his place. In Russia, according to my Criminal Code, there is and a person should be punished only according to it, and not be beaten, like a pimple of the local king.

[restless]

During the two Chechen wars, the Russian population of more than 100 thousand disappeared without a trace and no one carried out an investigation, but here the arsonist of the Koran was beaten a little, this was done to him humanely, but he could have gone missing...

[Stas157]

Quote: carpenter

They got off their ass, so well done, he knew what he was raising his hand to. Let him rejoicethat they didn’t kill.

If they haven't killed you yet, then I'm sure the guy is happy about it!

But I personally don’t want to live like that.

[vik669]

And how do you want - to shit on people's faith and have them kiss you for it!

[Nikolay Ganapolsky]

Paying for breaking the law according to the law, and not according to primitive tribal concepts.

[vik669]

Yes, he should have been transferred not to Chechnya, but to Saudi Arabia, where he would have been circumcised to the very ears - he deserves it!

[Negro]

Quote: carpenter

we were all indignant

“We are all” is you and who?

Quote: carpenter

Let him be glad that he wasn't killed.

Good advice for any Russian.

Actually, this is the problem.

[Cartographer]

Quote: zontov79

I saw this video, Kadyrov’s son squeezed this boy more. One question for Bastrykin, he was arrested in Volgograd, and why was he transferred to Chechnya. Bastrykin is an old substance that can do nothing but create nightmares for ordinary citizens. After this video, Bastrykin should have at least gotten excited; there is obvious lawlessness in the video. And Ramzanka is of course wrong, now there is a war, and he is inciting interethnic hatred. I wonder what these two characters were thinking?

With all the illegal actions of the character, what kind of interethnic hatred does he incite? This hatred is incited by the character who desecrated the Koran. And Chechnya has long been living under Sharia law and increased funding. Under these conditions, it remains part of Russia.

[UAZ 452]

Chechnya has long been living under Sharia law and increased funding. Under these conditions, it remains part of Russia.

So the question arises: who actually won the Chechen wars? Usually the losing side pays tribute to the winner, or is that not the case now?

[Yuri Vasilyev]

Russia won the Chechen wars. Those she fought with were destroyed. And without the huge external influence on such regions and the incitement of separatism there, it would have been possible to do without injections. But our “friends and partners” are asleep and see how to tear Russia apart, like a hot water bottle, and by the way, they are not idle and do not spare money for this. So no one will give us peace and we need to make titanic efforts to at least just stay within these boundaries.

[Cartographer]

Quote: Yuri Vasiliev

Russia won the Chechen wars. Those she fought with were destroyed...

Really? Do you know that Kadyrov personally fought with us, like his father? And many of those partisans later went to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Akhmat

[Yuri Vasilyev]

I know. And what? Kadyrov Sr. realized that independence would not bring anything good to Chechnya, so he made the only right decision, saving the lives of himself, his son and the rest of Chechnya. Abandoning the idea of ​​independence was the best way out for this republic. Today it is thriving, and its warriors are the greatest patriots of Russia, and terrorists and separatists are mercilessly destroyed. And for Russia this is the right decision, otherwise there would already be a NATO base there.

[Cartographer]

Quote: Yuri Vasiliev

I know. And what? Kadyrov Sr. realized that independence would not bring anything good to Chechnya, so he made the only right decision, saving the lives of himself, his son and the rest of Chechnya. Abandoning the idea of ​​independence was the best way out for this republic. Today it is thriving, and its warriors are the greatest patriots of Russia, and terrorists and separatists are mercilessly destroyed. And for Russia this is the right decision, otherwise there would already be a NATO base there.

So we return to the issue of financing Chechnya. Who will pay for the sweet life of the highlanders? Not so long ago, Kadyrov called for forgiveness of debts for gas in the amount of 50 billion rubles, they say the population has no money and Ivan must cover the debts.

[Yuri Vasilyev]

That is, according to your logic, the gas belongs to Ivan, did I understand you correctly? Are you sure it’s Ivan?

[realing]

Quote: Yuri Vasiliev

That is, according to your logic, the gas belongs to Ivan, did I understand you correctly? Are you sure it’s Ivan?

No, you misunderstood. Chechnya is a subsidized region that exists only with money from the federal center. If Chechnya’s debt for gas is forgiven, then who will pay it?

[Negro]

Quote from Kartograph

Not long ago, Kadyrov called for forgiveness of gas debts in the amount of 50 billion rubles

I didn’t expect to say this myself, but in the case of gas, Kadyrov was right. All debts beyond the statute of limitations must be written off; a person cannot have any debts for 2005. If the utility company didn't have time to file a lawsuit in time, goodbye. The fact that Gazprommezhregiongaz ignores the law and tries to collect money from almost Soviet times, and this is rubber-stamped by Russian courts, is not Russia.

[Cartographer]

Quote: Negro

Quote from Kartograph

Not long ago, Kadyrov called for forgiveness of gas debts in the amount of 50 billion rubles

I didn’t expect to say this myself, but in the case of gas, Kadyrov was right. All debts beyond the statute of limitations must be written off; a person cannot have any debts for 2005. If the utility company didn't have time to file a lawsuit in time, goodbye. The fact that Gazprommezhregiongaz ignores the law and tries to collect money from almost Soviet times, and this is rubber-stamped by Russian courts, is not Russia.

It’s true that this is not Russia for you. They’ll simply cut off Ivan’s gas after 2 months of non-payment, no one will coddle with him. But you try to cut off something for Kadyrov. There was a program about non-payment of gas in Ingushetia, apparently. They also make cut-ins en masse there and heat entire hectares of greenhouses. And only men work as controllers, because this is a very profitable position. In essence, Gazprom must issue an invoice according to the meter, and the recipient pays it. Or is it something different in your apartment? Maybe you, too, are waiting 10 years in hope the statute of limitations expires?

[gsev]

Quote from Kartograph

Not long ago, Kadyrov called for forgiveness of gas debts in the amount of 50 billion rubles,

Structures close to Gazprom quite brazenly cheated with payments for gas in the North Caucasus. The meter was installed by a certified company. The welder carried out the work in such a way that the meter gave incorrect readings. A few months before his verification, a commission came to check the meter readings and, based on his incorrect readings, fined the businessman and calculated his gas consumption according to inflated requirements as in the absence of a meter. Kadyrov seems to have closed down this shop of crooks in his republic or made it difficult for them to work.

[Cartographer]

Quote: Yuri Vasiliev

I know. So what?

And who was destroyed then? They simply traded independence for funding

[Yuri Vasilyev]

Read the history of the Chechen wars and who financed terrorists from abroad and sent emissaries. What exactly are you offering now? Not to finance Chechnya? Do you understand that there are no idiots in the Kremlin, and if they do this, then this is a necessity?

[UAZ 452]

Yes, everyone understands that everything goes according to plan everywhere. Lemmings are also completely confident that they are being led to a better life, and they completely trust their leaders.

[Cartographer]

Quote: Yuri Vasiliev

What exactly are you offering now?

I’m nothing. I’m just stating the facts. Initially, I said that Chechnya lives according to Sharia law

[sadam2]

Now it’s too late and unsafe to make sudden movements in our situation.
Vova launched a private army of prisoners to the front... the project got out of control - the Prigozhinskys were reset.
the same story with the infantryman, only in addition to money, they have an old tradition of cutting off the heads of infidels and no one will mess with that guy, don
Flirting with a highlander will end badly no matter what titles and tchotchkes the don bestows upon him

[Negro]

Quote: Yuri Vasiliev

Do you understand that there are no idiots in the Kremlin?

Over the past couple of years, many questions have accumulated.

Quote: Yuri Vasiliev

So this is a necessity?

Necessary for whom?

[Yuri Vasilyev]

Necessity for the integrity and unity of Russia. If the process of separatism begins now, then the 90s will seem like paradise. This cannot be allowed.

[Yuri Vasilyev]

Necessity for the integrity and unity of Russia. If the process of separatism begins now, then the 90s will seem like paradise. This cannot be allowed.

[Rosko]

prospers at our expense because it produces nothing. This is a leech on the body of the country

[realing]

Quote: Yuri Vasiliev

I know. And what? Kadyrov Sr. realized that independence would not bring anything good to Chechnya, so he made the only right decision, saving the lives of himself, his son and the rest of Chechnya. Abandoning the idea of ​​independence was the best way out for this republic. Today it is thriving, and its warriors are the greatest patriots of Russia, and terrorists and separatists are mercilessly destroyed. And for Russia this is the right decision, otherwise there would already be a NATO base there.

“It is better to be a king in hell than a slave in heaven.” He only understood that he would have to fight for supremacy in the republic and in this case it would be better to enlist the help of Russia.

[m..]

Yes, you yourself are tearing it apart, trampling on the law and the constitution, we have the rule of law, and everyone else is rather a “fifth column”

[Cartographer]

Quote: UAZ 452

Chechnya has long been living under Sharia law and increased funding. Under these conditions, it remains part of Russia.

So the question arises: who actually won the Chechen wars? Usually the losing side pays tribute to the winner, or is that not the case now?

The question is really interesting. All the experience of past wars shows that it is impossible to conquer a country without using genocide or without buying rulers. Or without putting a couple of million soldiers, as in the world wars. Well, you understand my point, we couldn’t completely level Chechnya, we had to negotiate with the clans. The same thing will happen in Ukraine. There is no military solution to the conflict and it cannot continue forever.

[UAZ 452]

We couldn’t completely level Chechnya; we had to negotiate with the clans. The same thing will happen in Ukraine. There is no military solution to the conflict and it cannot continue forever.

If there were enough resources for the “purchase” of 2 million people in Chechnya, with not too rich (and therefore the requests at that time were small) ruling clans, then for 40 million people in Ukraine - this is far from a fact... Moreover, if for Chechnya Apart from us, by and large, no one was bidding, but an auction is already underway for Ukraine, and we are unlikely to be able to beat the bids of other participants. So you are right that the conflict cannot continue forever, but we also have no chance of solving it on our own terms by other, non-military means. The feudal lords there will most likely successfully defend their estates from being taken over by force, so that they will be able to sell themselves to those who offer the best (at least for the feudal lords) conditions, and this is not us at all.

[MeVED]

[quote=UAZ 452][quote]
So the question arises: who actually won the Chechen wars? Usually the losing side pays tribute to the winner, or is that not the case now?[/quote]
This is if there were only two sides, but there were many interested parties. And then and after, many people fed on that war.

[would]

And Chechnya has long been living under Sharia law

If Chechnya lived according to Sharia, this video would not exist. Sharia law categorically prohibits lynching.

[Cartographer]

Quote: rait

And Chechnya has long been living under Sharia law

If Chechnya lived according to Sharia, this video would not exist. Sharia law categorically prohibits lynching.

What does Sharia say about the desecration of the Koran? And for a court under Sharia, the decision of imams and elders is sufficient

[would]

You don't know Sharia.

A Sharia court requires a qadi - a judge. Neither the imam (since he is lower than the qadi), nor even more so a certain elder (I have never heard of such a thing in Sharia law) is such. He must consider the case, listen to the parties, examine the evidence, and then make a decision. And if the decision is related to the death penalty or physical punishment, it will be carried out by a special person - the executioner.

It will be a discovery for many, but Muhammad built a rule of law state. Everything is very similar to the present time, only instead of secular law there is sacred scripture.

For desecration of the Koran EMNIP the death penalty. Perhaps there are options, but it’s up to the scientists to ask. BUT! The death penalty is strictly based on the decision of the court.

[Berkut752]

zontov79 (O_Zon), and I think that my son ACTED RIGHT. Like a boy, he explained what was possible and what was not. Now let this bastard go, but the lesson will remain with him for the rest of his life, THAT YOU CAN’T BE UNLIMITED.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Berkut752

zontov79 (O_Zon), and I think that my son ACTED RIGHT. Like a boy, he explained what was possible and what was not. Now let this bastard go, but the lesson will remain with him for the rest of his life, THAT YOU CAN’T BE UNLIMITED.

And tomorrow the police will come to you, take you to Chechnya, and then Kadyrov’s son will rape you on camera, which will be shown throughout the country. Because some Muslim thought that your wife’s clothes offended his religious feelings. I hope then you will also support the head of Chechnya?

[AdAstra]

But why go to Chechnya, and the local department, otherwise they can, but not others, why are they worse?

[Hypertension]

Quote: BlackMokona

Because some Muslim thought that your wife’s clothes offended his religious feelings. I hope then you will also support the head of Chechnya?

Maybe he will support you, even in this case. There are such characters. I don’t even know what to call them... Although I know, Zarathustra (that is, the site rules) doesn’t allow it.
And I also put Vereshchagin on my ava. Golden eagle... Peacocks, you say?.. H-h-eh! Such a “Vereshchagin” would have given up anything and everything to Abdulla. Patamushta Abdullah acts “like a boy” - “The dagger is good for the one who has it, and bad for the one who does not have it at the right time.” And Sukhov is UNLIMITED. It offends the feelings of believers by offering women of the East equal rights and rejection of traditions.

[Boris Manzhela]

Well... so-called. “Sharia patrols” (Muslim, Islamic, etc.) have long been nothing new not only in Moscowabad, but also in large cities of the Russian Federation. There are enough videos of their lawlessness on the Internet, including on YouTube. There is a massive Islamization (often forced) of territories around the world. It’s both funny and sad that even in Germany entrepreneurs were banned from frying and selling pork sausages on the streets, because... "It may offend the feelings of Muslims." Strong, bearded men with Wahhabi beards walk around the streets and call to order local residents who allegedly violate Sharia laws - for now, smoking on the street, drinking beer, and women wearing trousers and miniskirts are prohibited. We'll see what happens next. For example, in London, “Sharia patrols” have been deployed since 2013 (three years before the election of a Muslim as mayor), in Moscow - since 2017. By the way, in Moscow there is almost competition on this basis. And although the Chechens do not consider the Tatar muftis as authorities for themselves, because Wahhabism as an espremist movement is not to the liking of all Muslims, they are forced to put up with it. The chief of staff of the Council of Muftis, Rushan Abbyasov, said this: “This is a private idea of ​​our believers. It was initiated with a civil message for a healthy lifestyle.”
So maybe then let the skinheads organize their own patrols, since everyone in Moscow is so proactive? If every denomination in our country now starts pestering passers-by on the street, reading morals (in the mildest cases, or even using force), then what will we get?
I can’t believe in my life that Chechens are roaming the streets without weapons. What if a conflict arises, what to do? No, I don’t think that the participants in the “patrol” themselves are armed, but there are probably accomplices with weapons rubbing shoulders not far from them. And what do you think?

[AdAstra]

Lawlessness is what this did, there are no words to call it. And they only burned a book with letters, well, in response, burn the Bible, a physics textbook.

[Cartographer]

Quote from AdAstra

Lawlessness is what this did, there are no words to call it. And they only burned a book with letters, well, in response, burn the Bible, a physics textbook.

Do you know the differences between the Christian religion and Islam? It was Jesus who taught not to resist evil and to turn the other cheek, and Magomed who taught to cut off such hands

[UAZ 452]

I myself am Orthodox, but some aspects of Islam appeal to me more than Christian ones.

[AdAstra]

Well, all the claims to a certain prince in 988, and so go ahead - cut off a piece of your “finger” in public 3 times, that there is no god but, etc. and you are in a friendly family of co-religionists, only then don’t be offended that these same co-religionists will cut off your head because you interpret the Koran incorrectly.

[AdAstra]

But I am an atheist and we have a secular state. And rightly so, the Bolsheviks in their time
All this religious riffraff has been driven under the baseboard.

[hound]

Ahahahaha, "secular state" great joke, keep it up

[Glory1974]

One question for Bastrykin, he was arrested in Volgograd, and why was he transferred to Chechnya.

I think the answer is also the same - these are the actions that were required. That is, they showed that attempts to stir up interethnic conflicts will be met with lawlessness. This is bad for Zhuravel, but it is good for the whole country.
Another question is why this cannot be done by law, but in my opinion, here too the answer is obvious. Because the law enforcement system is not capable of an adequate response.

[UAZ 452]

If lawlessness for a country is good, if its law enforcement system, as you write, is not capable of an adequate response, then such a country no longer exists, there is what the Anglo-Saxons call a false state, and we recently loved the term “404 country” (now it is the definition is used much less often, perhaps precisely because it is not very clear which country it is more suitable for). And lawlessness can aggravate the problem, but it cannot be corrected. The state is primarily called upon to resist lawlessness, and there will be someone to create it anyway.

[Glory1974]

our desires are one thing, reality is another. Ideally, the law enforcement system should respond, but it cannot. And this is reality, no matter how much we would like to think about it otherwise. When Zhuravel was sent to Chechnya, did you think that they would kiss his ass there? Of course not. That is, they were sent on purpose. And this is a signal to all followers - the burners. If there had not been such a reaction, the Ukrainian GUR would have already organized hundreds of such actions, and probably achieved some effect.
And so, in this regard, there is now silence, only military registration and enlistment offices continue to be burned. By the way, in Belarus, the one who blew up our plane with a drone is now crying, he faces the death penalty. If we had the death penalty, maybe we wouldn’t have to create chaos.

[Glory1974]

One question for Bastrykin, he was arrested in Volgograd, and why was he transferred to Chechnya.

I think the answer is also the same - these are the actions that were required. That is, they showed that attempts to stir up interethnic conflicts will be met with lawlessness. This is bad for Zhuravel, but it is good for the whole country.
Another question is why this cannot be done by law, but in my opinion, the answer here is obvious. Because the law enforcement system is not capable of an adequate response.

[AdAstra]

“Kadyrov’s son squeezed this boy more there”
They would “cuddle” you like that and listen to you so that you would later say about this.

[Hypertension]

Quote: zontov79

One question for Bastrykin, he was arrested in Volgograd, and why was he transferred to Chechnya.

So Putin personally sent Crane to Chechnya. “The Tsar didn’t know, the boyars were bad” - it won’t work here.
In the meantime, diasporas are telling off their fellow tribesmen, regardless of whether their fellow countryman is right or wrong.

[gsev]

In Russia they no longer burn the Koran. That is, Putin, having sent Zhuravel to Chechnya, and Kadyrov, who beat him, found the right solution and stopped burning Korans in Russia. I propose to transfer this practice to arsonists of military registration and enlistment offices.

[Adrey]

Quote: gsev

In Russia they no longer burn the Koran. That is, Putin, having sent Zhuravel to Chechnya, and Kadyrov, who beat him, found the right solution and stopped burning Korans in Russia.

Before that, did they burn it every day? According to the schedule, in each region on its own day?

[Cartographer]

Quote: Adrey

Quote: gsev

In Russia they no longer burn the Koran. That is, Putin, having sent Zhuravel to Chechnya, and Kadyrov, who beat him, found the right solution and stopped burning Korans in Russia.

Before that, did they burn it every day? According to the schedule, in each region on its own day?

Would you like, like in Sweden, to be publicly burned once a month, under police protection and with the approval of the state? So it will come back to haunt them. Recently, one of the defendants was beaten. However, this time they beat him with boxing gloves

[Mikhail Ivanov]

An interesting scheme emerged - they were arrested (in connection with the case) in Volgograd, and then, at the instigation of the head of the Investigative Committee, they were transferred to a region where initially the accused had zero chance... The whole question here is not even for Kadyrov, but for Bastrykin, who provoked all this.
You cannot burn the Koran, just like you cannot burn the Bible or any other religious book. But here, in general, we are not even talking about religious disputes, but about pure violation of the laws of the Russian Federation, and a whole series of articles! And this suggests that we do not live in a rule-of-law state, but in a natural state.
I am sure that there will be no official reaction from the authorities or punishment for Kadyrov’s son. And I already talked to Vova’s dad in the Kremlin, scolded him, apparently...

[Dima68]

They couldn't do it any other way. Our legislation, like the Constitution, like the juvenile system, comes from the Yeltsin era. Changing it takes a long time and will take more than one year, but the problem needs to be solved, otherwise it will be like in Sweden.

[Negro]

Quote: Dima68

the problem needs to be solved, otherwise it will be like in Sweden.

Have you been to Sweden?

[Cartographer]

Quote: Negro

Quote: Dima68

the problem needs to be solved, otherwise it will be like in Sweden.

Have you been to Sweden?

Is it necessary to visit Sweden?

[guest]

Quote: zontov79

and he incites ethnic hatred

Hatred is incited by people like this Nikita; in countries like Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia, he would not have survived after his prank.

[Negro]

Quote: guest

Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia

You have good role models.

How did our city of Volgograd, also known as Stalingrad from time to time, end up in Afghanistan? Whose grandfathers fought and for what?

[gsev]

Quote: Negro

You have good role models.

By the way, in Afghanistan the level of rape and murder is at least an order of magnitude lower than in Russia or the United States after the Taliban came to power. Afghans rate the law enforcement system under the Taliban very highly.

[Negro]

Quote: gsev

They rate the law enforcement system under the Taliban very highly.

Oh yes, sociology under the Taliban has reached new heights. They will soon overtake Finland in the happiness index.

Quote: gsev

the level of rape and murder is at least an order of magnitude lower than in Russia or the USA

There is nothing difficult about completely eliminating crime in the country. It is enough to abolish the police and stop recording crimes.

[gsev]

By the way, in Afghanistan the level of rape and murder is at least an order of magnitude lower than in Russia or the United States after the Taliban came to power. Afghans rate the law enforcement system under the Taliban very highly.

Quote: Negro

Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia

You have good role models.

[guest]

Quote: gsev

By the way in Afghanistan

Since we are already talking about Afghanistan, I want to remind you that they threw the NATO occupation forces out of their country without outside help.

[guest]

Quote: Negro

You have good role models.

Well, people like you have only one example, geyropa. And with the countries I have listed, you can, of course, not in everything, sometimes take an example, and first of all about the death penalty.
Well, I ask all the people in this thread not to forget to give me downvotes, because this is the only thing you can

[Negro]

Quote: guest

They threw the occupying NATO forces out of their country without outside help.

Is Biden an Afghani? That would explain a lot...

Quote: guest

Well, people like you have only one example, geyropa

There are now some disadvantages. But yes, overall there are more advantages than in Afghanistan.

[guest]

Quote: Negro

Is Biden an Afghani?

Well, Biden was thrown out.

Quote: Negro

But yes, overall there are more advantages than in Afghanistan.

And what are the advantages? And even if there are some advantages, it is still, to put it mildly, very stupid to want to be like the Gay Europeans. Well, it doesn’t matter where the advantages are, if they exist you need to introduce them yourself, but only in your own way, you don’t need to become gay Europeans, Afghans or anyone else.

[Cartographer]

Quote: Negro

Quote: guest

Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia

You have good role models.

Why don’t you like Saudi Arabia? Yes, there are occasional slaughters there, but that’s the point. At the same time, the indigenous population lives excellently. And I think the migrant workers don’t live in poverty either. But drunkards don’t roam the streets and the crime rate is minimal

[vik669]

This “boy” should be given at least 10 years for inciting ethnic hatred and insulting religious feelings, and not create a farce over this “student” who is not going to Chechnya, but at least to Saudi Arabia, where for his deeds they would circumcise him to the very ears!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: vik669

This “guy” should be given at least 10 years for inciting ethnic hatred and insulting religious feelings

This student did not live in Chechnya, and certainly not in the SA. If you want to circumcise yourself, no one forbids it, but you don’t need to threaten others with it if you are a Muslim.

[guest]

Quote: vik669

This “guy” should be given at least 10 years for inciting ethnic hatred and insulting religious feelings

How about 10 years for devotion to gay European values? Liberastia doesn’t like this and downvotes it.

[Ivan Kalinovich]

Savagery and abomination...there are demons in the Kadyrovs!

[Yuri Vasilyev]

Demons sit in those who burn the Koran, or otherwise offend the feelings of believers.

[Cartographer]

Quote: Ivan Kalinovich

Savagery and abomination...there are demons in the Kadyrovs!

Demons are sitting in the Kremlin. Yes, they are not burning the Koran, but they will bring grief to their country. Yesterday I was at the cemetery. The number of graves has increased significantly

[Argon]

I'm giving you shit. Where do you live then? Have you or your relatives or friends been to prison? This is happening all over Russia and there are a lot of videos online. Yes, the proceedings really begin. but the results? Kadyrov showed only caressing the pike perch, not beating him. This is, as it were, a response to the killers of Budanov, convicted of murder, and support for Muslims in Russia. They say I care, but please don’t interfere. This is where inter-religious hostility began! Ramzan knows better what kind of conversations started among Muslims.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: zontov79

I wonder what these two characters were thinking?

Another thing is interesting. Chechnya remains part of the Russian Federation on Kadyrov’s personal loyalty to Putin. But Putin is already 70, and even with the best medicine he is unlikely to last more than 15 years in power. What then? Third Chechen war?

[UAZ 452]

Chechnya remains part of the Russian Federation thanks to huge transfers from the federal budget (previously such transfers were called tribute). But now the pot is rapidly emptying, and the bottom will show much sooner than in 15 years, no matter who is in power at that time. What then? Are you sure that Kadyrov’s personal loyalty to Putin will be stronger than the notorious “money issue”? Will we not see “Akhmat” on the path trodden by Prigozhin, heading to Moscow for overdue tribute?

[Cartographer]

Quote: And Us Rat

Quote: zontov79

I wonder what these two characters were thinking?

Another thing is interesting. Chechnya remains part of the Russian Federation on Kadyrov’s personal loyalty to Putin. But Putin is already 70, and even with the best medicine he is unlikely to last more than 15 years in power. What then? Third Chechen war?

Well, there will be money for Chechnya. Moscow will be dispossessed a little. And instead of Kadyrov there will be his son, for example. You’d better think about Hezbollah

[Ross xnumx]

Wow, we were surprised...
From a legal point of view it is difficult to explain this:
Article 1. The main characteristics of the republican budget for 2023 and for the planning period 2024 and 2025
...
1) the projected total revenue of the republican budget for 2024 in the amount 99 488 433,9 thousand rubles, including gratuitous receipts in the amount of 80 104 277,6 thousand rubles , tax and non-tax income in the amount of 19 thousand rubles, for 384 in the amount 82 115 734,4 thousand rubles, including gratuitous receipts in the amount of 61 772 083,9 thousand rubles tax and non-tax revenues in the amount of 20 343 650,5 thousand rubles;

[Sotskiy]

Quote: ROSS 42

including gratuitous receipts

What's surprising? People collect via SMS. Why was digitalization invented?

[realing]

From a legal point of view it is difficult to explain this

Allah gave, and you prove that it is not Allah

[Berkut752]

Dear ROSS 42 (Yuri Vasilyevich), you had something to say. Personally, I don’t understand why what you said applies to this article? What do you think, I personally studied at school for 10 years and didn’t understand anything.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

I was there a couple of times... We couldn’t take them by war, that’s a fact! Then the authorities cheated and bought one specific tape. Now no one wants to change anything there and cannot. The mistake was that they gave too much power; it had to be stopped in a timely manner. Now there is an analogue of all-Russian plowing, only with a local twist...

[Cartographer]

Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov

I was there a couple of times... We couldn’t take them by war, that’s a fact! Then the authorities cheated and bought one specific tape. Now no one wants to change anything there and cannot. The mistake was that they gave too much power; it had to be stopped in a timely manner. Now there is an analogue of all-Russian plowing, only with a local twist...

Abkhazia also has its own cultivator. They also regularly receive money, but they don’t want to join the staff. I think another leader will come and will rake out Putin’s Augean stables

[Vladimir_2U]

“There is no enemy more terrible than the chief weevil!” It’s a pity, but the highest authorities show many signs of longevity...

[pavlention]

Degradation and despotism, not everyone is equal before the law =(

[dmi.pris1]

What do we want from the Moscow boyars who pay tribute? Worthless people, terrible only for their slaves

[Al manah]

Well, they collect tribute from slaves.

[Revolver]

Quote: Pavlention

Degradation and despotism, not everyone is equal before the law =(

“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others” - George Orwell "Animal Farm"
"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"

[Lech from Android.]

The reaction of the authorities is no reaction

The situation is delicate for the Kremlin...the guarantor cannot use force on Kadyrov...only ask.
Although things happened at the FSIN that were an order of magnitude worse than this banal massacre of the Koran arsonist...he himself ran into trouble.
And our law is very liberal; for 6 corpses they can give you 14 years.
Lyosha the soldier will soon be released... hehe hero of the 90s... 23 years of imprisonment and a bunch of corpses on his conscience... I wonder what he will do when he is free with such a past.
And here you are discussing some kind of beating of the arsonist of the holy book...he got off easy.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Lyosha the soldier will soon be released... hehe hero of the 90s... 23 years of imprisonment and a bunch of corpses on his conscience... I wonder what he will do when he is free with such a past.

Lesha has written a couple of books about his adventures and he seems to have his own channel on the Internet, he writes there through his wife, so he will be richer than many.

Quote: Lech from Android.

And here you are discussing some kind of beating of the arsonist of the holy book...he got off easy.

Is it okay that this smacks of Nazism and extremism? But the president, represented by Peskov, you see, does not want to comment on this.

[Berkut752]

Mordvin 3 (Vladimir), oh, I’m belittling you and what do you think, and here, Nazism and extremism, when they are lawless at the eternal flames, disgracing graves, beating up old people. It's time to stop them. From a moral point of view, this is bad, but there is no other way. The authorities cannot cope with the lawlessness in the country.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Berkut752

oh, I belittle you and what do you think, and here,

And you make a big face, looking at how they disgrace the graves. Vereshchagin, damn it.

[UAZ 452]

The authorities cannot cope with the lawlessness in the country.

Only the law, and one that is binding on everyone, can cope with lawlessness. Lawlessness on the part of the authorities can only finish off the law, and therefore the country completely.

[Don Analyst]

The fact that the arsonist is a fool is clear to everyone, both Muslims and Orthodox.
He should have been treated - I agree.
But it would be more moral if in a couple of years we saw the evolution from a Satanist arsonist into a model Muslim.
In my opinion, this option is more significant!

[ivan2022]

As they say: “laws don’t work in Russia.” The state ones work “every other time.” Or after 10 times. Why? Because the laws of the “Russian Truth” of the 12th century have been preserved... the laws of the 17th century... .

In accordance with them, class relations operate; presidents are elected for life, as the Tsar was elected in 1613. .
Only in 1613 was this done by law, and in the 21st century in violation.....

People's attitude towards state property is denoted by the word "no one's".
A thief and a bandit are denoted by the word "authority".... An engineer and a scientist since the times of the late USSR are denoted by the word "rogue".

In December 1991, three dudes divided the country at night in a Belarusian forest.... And in October 1993, daring tank crews shot the All-Russian Congress of People's Deputies.

Billionaire Deripaska directly says in an interview that elections in Russia are a fiction and this is normal.

Billionaire Prigozhin is moving 20 thousand to the capital behind the rear of the active army. At the same time, he gains the glory of a national hero...

In such, to put it mildly, not a completely adequate society, Kadyrov’s act can be interpreted as a statement that “if the official laws are fiction, then in Chechnya there are other laws that are in force.”

By his action, Kadyrov simply states the fact that if feudal law applies in the rest of Russia, then it also applies in Chechnya. Only it is natural - Chechen.

In a society with feudal relations there can be no other right and there is no “Russian nation” either. This concept was formed not under feudalism, but much later, under capitalism.

[Lech from Android.]

Billionaire Prigozhin is moving 20 thousand to the capital behind the rear of the active army. At the same time, he gains the glory of a national hero...

The withdrawal of our troops from Kiev after the Istanbul agreement at the request of the Nazis would be worse for Ukraine (it looks like outright betrayal, after that the Nazis shot many Ukrainians loyal to Russia) ... so it’s useless to point the finger at Prigozhin ... it’s not his fault that there was such a mess in its.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Billionaire Prigozhin is moving 20 thousand to the capital behind the rear of the active army. At the same time, he gains the glory of a national hero...

The withdrawal of our troops from Kiev after the Istanbul agreement at the request of the Nazis would be worse for Ukraine (it looks like outright betrayal, after that the Nazis shot many Ukrainians loyal to Russia) ... so it’s useless to point the finger at Prigozhin ... it’s not his fault that there was such a mess in its.

Heh... Heh. As they say, “I heard Lech ringing... ..”... . We are not talking about Prigozhin here. His deeds are mentioned only as one of many examples.

Or is he untouchable? Shouldn't Russian laws have applied to your saintly Prigozhin at all?

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: ivan2022

Shouldn't Russian laws have applied to your saintly Prigozhin at all?

Charge
the explosives on his plane had an effect on him, simultaneously killing several absolutely innocent people... what other laws are there... ok.
In our world there is only one law... the strong eat the weak... conversations about equality, brotherhood and the rule of law are for simple-minded people.

[Berkut752]

Ivan2022 (Ivan), the son of his father. Remember this saying? In the only Chechen republic where the law is in force. And what is going on all over Russia, what are the Tajiks, Uzbeks and all this “OCCUPIED _ Russia _ MARTY” doing?

[Pushkar]

Quote: Berkut752

And what is going on all over Russia, what are the Tajiks, Uzbeks and all this “OCCUPIED _ Russia _ MARTY” doing?

Are they burning the Koran?

[glock-17]

The law is either the same for everyone, or it simply does not exist. This shows a blatant disregard for Russian justice. And the main question is who needs this and why?

[ivan2022]

Quote: Glock-17

The law is either the same for everyone, or it simply does not exist. This shows a blatant disregard for Russian justice. And the main question is who needs this and why?

People who have lost their heads don’t cry about their hair. Our entire social life is a complete spit on all shrines and the graves of our ancestors.

[parusnik]

The law is either the same for everyone, or it simply does not exist.

The Law also has a Guarantor, one for everyone, and he either exists or he doesn’t.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Glock-17

This shows a blatant disregard for Russian justice.

Stop being surprised, “spit after spit” has been going on since the early 90s, first they spat on the result of the all-Union referendum on preserving the USSR, then more...

[Berkut752]

Glock-17 (Wild Bill), BEAT YOUR OWN SO THAT OTHERS WILL BE AFRAID. Have you heard this proverb? If not, then ask those who suffered from the Tajiks, Uzbeks, the women and children they rape...................... ""Righteous"" you are ours. Laws need to be changed. The Koran and the Bible must be severely punished. And this bastard should be driven through the gauntlet and released, as an edification to others.

[Pushkar]

Quote: Berkut752

BEAT YOURSELF TO THOSE ALIEN FEAR.

Exactly. Beat your own. The main thing is our own.

[vik669]

Announce the entire list of yours, that is, yours, except for Zhuravel and you!

[AUL]

Quote: Glock-17

This shows a blatant disregard for Russian justice. And the main question is who needs this and why?

Demonstration of strength and permissiveness.

[Al manah]

spitting on Russian justice

Those. into emptiness.

[guest]

Quote: Glock-17

This shows a blatant disregard for Russian justice.

What the hell is justice? If the oligarch who called for killing Russians got away with a fine of some several thousand? When the killers of SVO members are simply left free?

[parusnik]

Everything is clear, we live in the kingdom of distorting mirrors, where the Abazhi, Nushroki, Anidagi, Yagupops and others rule...

[Berkut752]

(Alexey Bogomazov), with such a surname, and justify this scumbag who burned this book, SACRED for Muslims. And tomorrow the BIBLE will be burned. And how they punished those who had sex in the Museums and then acted without limits in the church. It’s not comme il faut Alexey to justify this scumbag, rethink your attitude. After all, this bastard will be released anyway. Look at France, Sweden, what they are doing there, people like this one. After all, there is chaos in Russia.

[Pushkar]

Quote: Berkut752

burned this book, SACRED for Muslims. And tomorrow the BIBLE will be burned.

And Pinocchio actually sold the alphabet! To Chechnya, to Kadyrov!

[turembo]

Excuse me, I’ll take it out of context: “It undermines the foundations of the constitutional rights of citizens and faith in fair justice,” unfortunately our entire constitution, along with the rights and faith of citizens in fair justice, has long gone to hell. At the moment we live practically in a medieval feudal state, like in a fairy tale, only the further we go, the worse it gets.... Well, the usual reaction of the authorities, we don’t see anything, or the standard impotent cohabitation. The power of power and the king in all its glory.....

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Is it okay that this smacks of Nazism and extremism? A

There is no Nazism or extremism here... some 16-year-old teenager kicked an arsonist provocateur... where did you see Nazism?
Every day on our streets, teenagers beat someone, sometimes kill them with extreme cruelty... no one shouts that this is Nazism and extremism.
Everyone blames it on teenage squabbles.
So the law is that the drawbar... where it turned there and came out.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lech from Android.

some teenager 16 years old

Not just anyone, but the son of the head of the republic. In a law enforcement agency.

Quote: Lech from Android.

.where did you see Nazism?

In relations between Chechens and Russians. Moreover, supported by the head of the republic. I don’t like the word Nazism, let there be the supremacy of Muslims over Christians.

Quote: Lech from Android.

Every day on our streets, teenagers beat someone, sometimes kill them with extreme cruelty... no one shouts that this is Nazism and extremism.

Don't pretend to be an idiot.

[Lech from Android.]

Don't pretend to be an idiot.

Well, you are like a little child...
What do you present to this teenager?
Light battery... this is an administrative offense... the teenager is 16 years old... he will get off with a fine... that's all.
Read the judicial practice on these cases... and his dad has administrative resources... he will put pressure on whoever needs to be and everyone will be happy... no one will say a word.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Well, you are like a little child...
What do you present to this teenager?

The detained Volgograd resident is being transported to Grozny with all the consequences, and here you are rubbing off on me about administrative charges for light bodily injuries. It’s you, Lekha, little child. Or he's senile and decrepit.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Mordvin 3

It’s you, Lekha, little child. Or he's senile and decrepit.

Oh, don’t tell me, I’ll ruin your nerves again,
The detained arsonist is like a tribute from the Kremlin to Kadyrov... if this is not done, he can withdraw his special forces from the North Military District.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lech from Android.

if this is not done, he can withdraw his special forces from the North Military District.

And Russia will lose the North Military District?

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Will Russia lose to the Northern Military District?

This is only in one case, if the Kremlin wants it.
And by definition, the Nazi regime in Kyiv will never defeat Russia...the resources and forces are too incomparable.

[Negro]

Quote: Lech from Android.

resources and forces are too disparate

Russia and the Ramstein coalition?

[Cartographer]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Lech from Android.

if this is not done, he can withdraw his special forces from the North Military District.

And Russia will lose the North Military District?

And she wins it? Here some characters are ready to fight for another 10 years, will the economy withstand this?

[Sotskiy]

Quote from Kartograph

Here some characters are ready to fight for another 10 years, will the economy survive this?

The economy does not make revolutions or coups.
This requires people. But whether people will withstand 10 years of “NWO”, when some bourgeois fight with other bourgeois, while at the same time managing to trade with each other, is a big question.

[guest]

Quote from Kartograph

Here some characters are ready to fight for another 10 years, will the economy survive this?

Are you proposing to capitulate?

[Cartographer]

Quote: guest

Quote from Kartograph

Here some characters are ready to fight for another 10 years, will the economy survive this?

Are you proposing to capitulate?

You understand perfectly well that fighting forever is not an option. Here you need to either actually bomb half of Ukraine, as they did with Yugoslavia, or negotiate. And all this baby talk about brotherly people is irrelevant now. Ukraine will not be a brotherly people after so many losses. This consider that in every family someone died, and after that they should love us?

[Negro]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And Russia will lose the North Military District?

This is another question.

Do units that are not subordinate to the authorities of the Russian Federation participate in the Northern Military District? And how many are there?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Negro

Do units that are not subordinate to the authorities of the Russian Federation participate in the Northern Military District?

Judging by Lekha’s opus, they are participating.

[Negro]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Judging by Lekha’s opus, they are participating

In fact, after one justice march there, this practice seemed to be recognized as vicious, as a result, one fighter for truth there flew in an embraer.

What kind of plane does Kadyrov have?

[Sergei N 58912062]

Lyosha, you are real
_________________________

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: Sergei N 58912062

Lyosha, you are real
_________________________

Well, we’ve arrived, there are no arguments, we’re twisting a hole in our temple.

[ZloyCat]

"he can withdraw his special forces from the North Military District"
and where does he get his own special forces? maybe he has his own rocket launchers?

[AdAstra]

Yeah, from a personal SSGN at the berth in the Pacific Fleet. "" "" "

[Adrey]

Quote from AdAstra

Yeah, from a personal SSGN at the berth in the Pacific Fleet.

Then it’s more likely an underwater (can’t see because no one can see) battleship on the Moscow River. Guess the berth coordinates yourself

[your1970]

Quote: Mordvin 3

The detained Volgograd resident is transported to Grozny with all the consequences

For burning the Koran, he received no more administrative punishment. Do you want the arsonists of military registration and enlistment offices and cabinets at Russian Railways to switch to the Koran? For a fine?
We don’t have enough problems - do we need more Muslims to shout that the state is not paying attention to their faith?

[ZloyCat]

“Do Muslims still need to shout that the state is not paying attention to their faith?”
We have a secular state, equidistant from all religions, no? Why don’t you burn it, it’s an article for violating public order, that’s all. and then they detained me in Volgograd and extradited me to Chechnya, which is already illegal. The head of Chechnya personally brought his son to the pre-trial detention center and gave the command to the police - for him, the Criminal Code and the laws of Russia do not exist, right? What about SK and Bastyrkin, are they already excited about Article 282? or don?

[UAZ 452]

So, can the deputies of our State Duma not only supervise the budget of the structures they lobbied, but in the intervals work on the main profile - adopt amendments to the Criminal Code and the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation, for example? And if my memory serves me correctly, the article about insulting the feelings of believers is still there, so there was no talk of administrative charges and 15 days at the most. So who prevented Comrade Bastrykin (party nickname - classmate) from using the full power of the criminal code, rather than engaging in lawlessness, transporting the guy to Chechnya from Volgograd?

[AdAstra]

Or his last name is Gapon."""""

[sadam2]

It's not about the boy. 15 years old puppy. But why does the infantryman Don publish deliberate lawlessness online? he scored against the Investigative Committee against Bastrykin at the Criminal Code... He openly showed that the laws of the Russian Federation do not work in Chechnya...
and this topic will also be quietly merged

[Al manah]

let there be supremacy of Muslims over Christians.

And over time, they will dominate, because they are more friendly and fearless, and they reproduce better.

[realing]

Every day a teenager enters a pre-trial detention center and, under the protection of the Federal Penitentiary Service, beats a person who cannot fight back, the Federal Penitentiary Service employees record this on video, and the teenager’s father, the head of the republic (or governor), together with the supreme power of the republic, approvingly post the video in the public domain?

[Berkut752]

Lech from Android. (Lekha from Android), but let me have yours too
"" five kopecks "" insert. ""Beat your own people so that strangers will be afraid."" Tajiks, Uzbeks, even blacks.

[Pushkar]

The actions of Kadyrov Jr. fall under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 111. Intentional infliction of grievous bodily harm, part two, paragraph "e" e) motivated by political, ideological, racial, national or religious hatred or enmity, or motivated by hatred or enmity towards any social group;- up to 10 years. Bastrykin, ah!

[Russian_Ninja]

Well, don’t go too far either - there is a maximum of 115 Criminal Code - minor harm, part 2, point “b”.
But this is unlikely, since he is under 16 years old

[Pushkar]

Quote: Russian_Ninja

Well, don’t go too far either - there is a maximum of 115 Criminal Code - slight harm,

Is there a result of the examination?

[UAZ 452]

Is there any doubt that the examination carried out in Chechnya will show that the guy in the pre-trial detention center has become much healthier than before his arrest?

[Cartographer]

Quote: UAZ 452

Is there any doubt that the examination carried out in Chechnya will show that the guy in the pre-trial detention center has become much healthier than before his arrest?

Prison, you know, doesn’t improve your health at all. But you should have thought about this earlier, when you received money from Ukraine.

[Russian_Ninja]

I can only judge from the video. There the blows are somewhat “specific”. Maybe of moderate severity, but the convict filed complaints about the beating quite a long time ago, so it may be difficult to check anything

[Fangaro]

If in the coming days Kadyrov demands from the Russian Investigative Committee an unbiased investigation into the actions of his son, many of his opponents will begin to respect him.
If his son is convicted under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, then many Muslims will begin to hate Kadyrov.
But, if after this, Kadyrov’s son is amnestied by the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation, then the attitude towards Kadyrov will become... As a true supporter of faith, conscience, justice, and law.

It remains unclear why Nikita Zhuravel decided to burn the Koran.
Not the Bible, not the Torah (I don’t know if I wrote it correctly), not the teachings of Buddha, or the periodic tables of Bradis.

[parusnik]

It remains unclear why Nikita Zhuravel decided to burn the Koran.

For Tik Tok, probably, burning the periodic tables or Bradis would not have so many likes.

[UAZ 452]

For Tik Tok, probably, burning the periodic tables or Bradis would not have so many likes.

But don't tell me! During preparation for the relevant exams at school and universities, and immediately after them, burning hated textbooks will gain as many likes as no holy scripture has ever dreamed of.
PS Now, if they introduce compulsory lessons in religion (the law of God) in schools, and even with passing an exam, then Bibles will burst into flames in large numbers. Nothing new - there have already been times in the history of the country when these lessons were mandatory for everyone, which ended with thousands of bombed churches and mass executions and imprisonments of priests.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote from Fangaro

If in the coming days Kadyrov demands from the Russian Investigative Committee an unbiased investigation into the actions of his son, many of his opponents will begin to respect him.

1. because of hooliganism or beatings - SK? this is what the police are doing 2. you need a statement from the victim 3. even if it comes from him - due to his age there will be no liability - according to the law! that's the whole story. The only person he can present something to is the authorities of the pre-trial detention center, which let him in there. and it's formal! - everything is according to the laws of the Russian Federation .. if an adult did this, the situation would be different .. and why is this so - because such a law was adopted .. although it is clear that if you wish, you can figure out how to “punish” ..

[hhurik]

What kind of hooliganism, come to your senses. This is torture organized by a group, with the distribution of roles and the participation of officials Moreover, what is typical is that about a year ago legislators clarified what it is and tightened the punishment, EMNIP, to 15 l/sv in extreme cases.

- Torture in this article and other articles of this Code is understood as any action (inaction) by which severe pain or physical or moral suffering is deliberately inflicted on a person in order to obtain information or confession from him or a third party, to punish him for an action that he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, intimidated or coerced him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any nature.(c)

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: hhurik

What kind of hooliganism, come to your senses. This is torture organized by a group, with the distribution of roles and the participation of officials

Yes, you don’t understand.. I’m not defending anyone, but I’m talking about it as a question, formally correct! with a high probability it can be considered so that no one is punished and at the same time, according to the law, everything is formal! and it’s clear that if you want! there is something to grab onto... and about how people got there in general and about the actions of the group and much more..

[Setavr]

Yes, there is lawlessness in Chechnya, but in other regions everything is in order!
All over Russia, bureaucrats are committing lawlessness, and the fleas are getting excited like inkwells.
The only thing that this case showed is that not distant people in power can be even “farther away” than we can imagine. And this is sadness. Yes.

[Escariot]

Quote: Setavr

Yes, there is lawlessness in Chechnya, but in other regions everything is in order!
All over Russia, bureaucrats are committing lawlessness, and the fleas are getting excited like inkwells.
The only thing that this case showed is that not distant people in power can be even “farther away” than we can imagine. And this is sadness. Yes.

In other regions they at least pretend to act according to the law. Formally, it’s quiet and quiet there. There is a direct violation of the law by the governor’s minor son on camera.

[Blackmokona]

Quote from Escariot

In other regions they at least pretend to act according to the law. Formally, it’s quiet and quiet there. There is a direct violation of the law by the governor’s minor son on camera.

Moreover, the video from the camera is not quietly posted by agents of enemy networks, rubbing their hands from such incredibly powerful dirt on the Russian government. And the criminals themselves are posting, completely reveling in their impunity

[Cartographer]

Quote from Escariot

Quote: Setavr

Yes, there is lawlessness in Chechnya, but in other regions everything is in order!
All over Russia, bureaucrats are committing lawlessness, and the fleas are getting excited like inkwells.
The only thing that this case showed is that not distant people in power can be even “farther away” than we can imagine. And this is sadness. Yes.

In other regions they at least pretend to act according to the law. Formally, it’s quiet and quiet there. There is a direct violation of the law by the governor’s minor son on camera.

There is no governor. There is a Head of Chechnya. Before the revolution there were general governorates and provinces. And now the position of governor of Dagestan or Tatarstan is a humiliation. Now it is relevant Father of the People, Ebalsy, Khan, Eternal President, Sun-Faced, Darkest

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: ivan2022

Our entire social life is a complete spit on all shrines and the graves of our ancestors.

That's for sure, the one who spits in
the history of his people will choke in the response of the people.

[your1970]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Quote: ivan2022

Our entire social life is a complete spit on all shrines and the graves of our ancestors.

That's for sure, the one who spits in
the history of his people will choke in the response of the people.

Are you talking about calls in the 1920s to renounce Pushkin? Or about the monuments that were toppled at the same time? Or about the churches being blown up?
If you proceed from YOURS positions - then in 1991 “the people spat”?

[Al manah]

Or about churches being blown up

Is it by chance that the Bolsheviks were anathematized in these churches?

[north 2]

But in Soviet times, try telling any party organizer or political officer there that the division of the USSR into national republics, and even with their own parliaments, is a mine laid under the USSR. And if you also add a question - why do fishermen in the Baltic republics in coastal fishing collective farms catch the same sprat in the same Baltic Sea as the same fishermen in the Kaliningrad region of the Russian Federation receive 600 rubles a month, and the fishermen of the Kaliningrad region region receives 300 rubles a month, so that government would then put you in prison. At best, you would then be expelled from the party or from the Komsomol. Times have changed as these questions were foreseen - there was an explosion of the same mine planted under the USSR and the collapse of the USSR, and it was those national parliaments that all as one supported the traitors Gorbachev and Yeltsin. But if you ask the same questions about the same mine to the current government, only regarding the division of the Russian Federation into national republics with their own parliaments and even presidents, then the government will again punish you for such a question, and the editors of VO will punish you with a ban and shouts, -friendship of peoples, friendship of peoples, friendship of peoples!!!
All that remains is to hint... For example, - and not specifically, this video was filmed, perhaps even by the elder Kadyrov himself, since a Russian who does not live in Chechnya, detained in Volgograd for a crime in Volgograd, was for some reason transferred to Chechnya. So the first thing to ask is not why this video was posted on the Internet, but why and by whom this video was filmed.
About tribute to Chechnya, after the second Chechen war.
After the collapse of the USSR, hundreds of thousands of villages throughout Russia where Russians lived fell apart and became ruins like after the war. Until now, there is no intention of even rebuilding them during this time. And Chechnya has been rebuilt in such a way that Dubai will soon be jealous. And why ? But because now, as in the USSR, the friendship of peoples comes first, putting the Russian people in the very last place in that friendship! And this already happened before under the USSR, how and who was rebuilt. For example, after the Second World War, Klaipeda, Siauliai, Vilnius and Riga were rebuilt, while in Russia itself thousands more Smolensk and Stalingrad lay in ruins.
The dogma about such “friendship of peoples” has not led to any good, and will not lead again...

[parusnik]

Yes, yes, it’s time to stop with the “friendship of peoples”, cancel everything, only the provinces, 150 peoples inhabiting Russia, on a reservation behind barbed wire and show it to tourists. For money. Ban interethnic marriages, and strangle, strangle those who are not satisfied.. And splendor will come.

[Mihaylo Tishayshiy]

North! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!!! I'm already sick of this "friendship of peoples"!

[Cartographer]

Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy

North! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!!! I'm already sick of this "friendship of peoples"!

This is not friendship of peoples, but payments under the conditions of preserving Chechnya as part of Russia. Kadyrov dispersed all the Wahhabis and established his clan. There is no other way.2 The Chechen wars confirm this

[AdAstra]

Did he just personally take it and disperse everyone? But that’s why our government still goes there on business trips to visit the “dispersed”.

[Cartographer]

Quote from AdAstra

Did he just personally take it and disperse everyone? But that’s why our government still goes there on business trips to visit the “dispersed”.

A business trip is not a war. And the Basmachi were persecuted in Central Asia until the 30s. And the forest brothers in the Baltic states and Ukraine until the 60s.

[UAZ 452]

Well, that is, we lost the second Chechen war, just like the first? And all these 20 years they paid tribute to the winner? It appears that this is the case.

[Sergej1972]

Most small villages ceased to exist as “unpromising” back in the 60s-80s, long before the collapse of the USSR. Some of my relatives lived in these. And it’s good that they moved to central estates or went to the city! You yourself would try to live in a village of one and a half dozen, or even several courtyards. Although, of course, there are people who like farm life. But their children and spouses often don’t like this. Lukashenko, beloved here at VO in Belarus, is developing agricultural towns, not small villages. And he does the right thing.

[ivan2022]

The author writes that the law is the same for everyone.....Where? In Russia?
Well, this is already beyond common sense and conscience.......


There is such a historical fact. One day, Soviet academician Zeldovich, three-time hero of social labor, entered a hotel in a Caucasian republic.

As required by the unwritten law, he was told that there were no available rooms. He showed the award book. They answered him:
"Have a conscience!! You couldn't, like everyone else, buy a book with one Hero star, do you need three? Get out of here...."

So, gentlemen, when you talk about legality in Russia, you also need to have a conscience and not lose your shores!

[igorra]

Politics is a dirty thing. They transferred the idiot to Chechnya, hoping for just such a reaction. This will disrupt other anti-religious actions. At the same time, show us how to defend our faith, customs, and foundations.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: ivan2022

The author writes that the law is the same for everyone.....Where? In Russia?
Well, this is already beyond common sense and conscience.......

Well, my friend, you can’t hack away at the truth like that, it’s cruel and cynical.
I was shocked when Chubais, the secret bearer of Kremlin secrets, who had made a big hole in the Russian budget, was calmly released to live in London.
After that, cockroaches started infesting my wild head... is that really possible?

[your1970]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Chubais, the secret bearer of Kremlin secrets

At his level, nothing is secret anymore. Everything really the secret ends at the level of colonels and major generals.
Everyone who above- just general outlines and directions.
No more.....

[Fangaro]

Quote: ivan2022

Quote: Lech from Android.

Billionaire Prigozhin is moving 20 thousand to the capital behind the rear of the active army. At the same time, he gains the glory of a national hero...

The withdrawal of our troops from Kiev after the Istanbul agreement at the request of the Nazis would be worse for Ukraine (it looks like outright betrayal, after that the Nazis shot many Ukrainians loyal to Russia) ... so it’s useless to point the finger at Prigozhin ... it’s not his fault that there was such a mess in its.

Heh... Heh. As they say, “I heard Lech ringing... ..”... . We are not talking about Prigozhin here. His deeds are mentioned only as one of many examples.

Or is he untouchable? Shouldn't Russian laws have applied to your saintly Prigozhin at all?

And why did you switch to personal feuds?
And I don’t like Lyokha from Android. Android is the bottom! Only Aurora!
But he is the same as Ivan2022 or Fangaro. Worse than us, 100500, but the same commentator.

[ivan2022]

Quote from Fangaro

...
But he is the same as Ivan2022 or Fangaro. Worse than us, 100500, but the same commentator.

“I took up the tug...”... As they say, then please, the same remark to Lekha.... Then I take off my hat.
So that serving on guard of law and justice does not seem like honey to you.

[Alexander Kuksin]

It’s as if prisoners are beaten only in Chechnya! I am begging you! Prisoners or detainees themselves sometimes behave in such a way, relying on the Law, that they force you to hit them in the face. Especially from among either the majors or the gopniks. I don’t know how it is now, but in the past, runners tried to surrender to the cops, not to explosives. They had to sit in the barracks for weeks until the runner was caught. That’s why it was delivered in not quite marketable condition.

[Escariot]

Quote: Alexander Kuksin

It’s as if prisoners are beaten only in Chechnya! I am begging you! Prisoners or detainees themselves sometimes behave in such a way, relying on the Law, that they force you to hit them in the face. Especially from among either the majors or the gopniks. I don’t know how it is now, but in the past, runners tried to surrender to the cops, not to explosives. They had to sit in the barracks for weeks until the runner was caught. That’s why it was delivered in not quite marketable condition.

Naturally they hit everywhere, but at least they hide it. Damn, even the Nazis didn’t advertise torture and murder in their death camps, but Kadyrov (I apologize in advance) doesn’t care and posts videos online. The de facto governor exposes the fact that a prisoner is being tortured by his son, but the police remain silent. And for such a Russia, do you propose to shed blood on the Northern Military District?

[your1970]

Quote from Escariot

the fact of torture of a prisoner by his son, and the police are silent. And for such a Russia, do you propose to shed blood on the Northern Military District?

Before the war, they tortured “enemies of the people” almost legally during interrogations - and for such a USSR they offered to shed blood in the Second World War?
And Zhuravel is a much greater enemy of the people now than then fake "Siguran/Defensive agents"

[your1970]

For minus woodpeckers -
2 years under investigation, knocked out teeth, 3 broken ribs, broken toes, sent to execution 2 times - "Japanese Spy" Rokossovsky.
Broken jaw and being on the execution list - “participant of the Trotskyist organization” Korolev.
The first names of people who are reliably known to have been tortured
Do I need to explain to you how much worse it would be for the country if they were tortured to the end?

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

They tortured me, but even then I was smart enough not to brag about it publicly to the whole world.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from Fangaro

I don’t like Lyokha from Android. Android is the bottom! Only

Am I a girl for you to like or dislike...
I don’t have any mental anguish from your experiences... I’m saying what I think, you cannot forbid me to think and speak within the framework of the law.
I, too, could go through your qualities, but the forum rules prohibit this... so I modestly keep silent about what I wanted to tell you based on indescribable folklore.

[Ermak_Timofeich]

“proud of his son’s actions” and “respects his choice.”

What's wrong? When the official Law, which changes more often than a woman’s wardrobe, does not correspond to universal human concepts that have developed over centuries, then they inevitably begin to act “according to concepts.” “According to the concepts,” everything is true and fair. Everything else is a problem for legislators and the political system whose interests they supposedly express.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: ivan2022

As they say, then please, the same remark to Lekha....

I’m here... I see everything... and I read.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: parusnik

those who are not happy, strangle, strangle... And splendor will come.

Ha, they are behind the times...in the USA, Trumpists are being pinned down for freethinking, Trump is being hidden in prison...where is the world going?
There is no freedom, equality or happiness anywhere.

[Asad]

Why is Trump not a defendant? He's still a crook.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

There is no place to test Trump. Or does being a former president make him untouchable? Saakashvili would agree with you...

[Negro]

Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel

There is no place to test Trump

The fact that over ten years of desperate searches for the developer and casino owner (usually not the most respectable public) they found only obvious bullshit (the latest achievement of New York prosecutors - Trump allegedly incorrectly indicated the value of his own home and thus “unfairly” received a lower interest on credit), causes admiration. Frankly speaking, I did not expect that I was living at the same time as a holy man.

Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel

Or does being a former president make him untouchable?

What the former does not do, and what the future does. When the authorities, under any pretext, persecute the country's main opposition politician, this looks much more dangerous for society than any of these political liberties.

Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel

Saakashvili would agree with you...

Remember Yanukovych?

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote: Negro

Frankly speaking, I did not expect that I was living at the same time as a holy man.

I'm a simple person. If the head of state hands over hundreds of millions of personal money to the main foreign competitors of his country’s banks (Bank of China, Deutsche Bank and Credit Suiz), then he cannot be allowed into public administration. This is such an obvious conflict of interest that it should even be written in a textbook.

[Negro]

Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel

This is such an obvious conflict of interest that it should even be written in a textbook.

You're kind of strange. Either you owe money to banks of no matter what countries, or, on the contrary, you keep money in banks of no matter what countries. Trump is one of the few politicians who can at least explain where he got this money from. Even in America, such a politician is rare.

No influence of Deutsche Bank, Credit Suiz, and especially BoCh on Trump’s activities has been revealed, even if they wanted to. As far as we know, he doesn’t owe Sberbank anything.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: ivan2022

Billionaire Deripaska directly says in an interview that elections in Russia are a fiction and this is normal.

Why are you surprised?
Deripaska, special representative R. Abramovich, Vekselbergs, Avens, Friedmans - they are the “salt of the Russian land” - the true masters of Russia.
But in essence, they are managers of Western corporations who control the process of transferring energy resources.

Our Motherland was built into a world economic colony, a place was indicated (number sixteen), and Gauleiters were appointed.
Все.

[Andrey1978]

The situation is clear, the guy who touched the feelings of believers knew what he was doing. Personally, I know many Chechens and Dagestanis, and they are normal Guys with a capital “C”; if necessary, they will give away their last glass of water.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Just today I ran into two Dagestanis. We parted amicably, but damn it, the last Gopnik has more ideas about morality.

[Lech from Android.]

Quote: parusnik

burn the periodic tables or Bradis, there wouldn’t be so many likes.

To do this you need to know what it is... This fan of likes does not have a basic understanding of the consequences of bad actions for himself.

[Al manah]

Has already.
......................

[Oberon 36]

I read the article, read the comments - why is everyone so nervous? What is the equality of all before the law? Is this humor? Ramzan Akhmatovich needs to be thanked. He visualized the proverb at the highest level - “What is due to Jupiter is not appropriate to a bull.” According to the law, people can be equal, but for some reason there is always someone more equal, the most equal, more equal than everyone else, etc. Remember how our law enforcement system fought with Mara Baghdasaryan? Force! How so? And her dad is a millionaire. Is she like everyone else? Well, of course! What did they do with the participants of the tractor march in Kuban? They didn’t have a millionaire dad, plus they dared to raise their heads against the judicial system. So there, from the age of 16, a lawyer will not get the job done. And there are many such examples. As has already been written in the comments, Russia is full of examples of the arbitrariness of officials. Conclusion - there must always be a conclusion. Someone, let's call him "The Darkest", created a system of impunity in the country for the elite. True, it should be noted that to some extent, this exists not only in our country. Somewhere more, Somewhere less, somewhere practically not at all - but it’s everywhere. So we live and rejoice that we are not the heroes of this novel. This is of no use to mere mortals. Sincerely.

[Alex 1970]

What is there to talk about “everything is for friends, the law is for enemies”, yesterday in the Kremlin the guarantor met Kadyrov, so what? He didn’t even “scold” for appearance’s sake. But there is so much chatter about international law, etc., but the house itself is not in order.

[Vladimir80]

If I were a liberal critic (no matter in what field) I would call everything that happened “Asian post-modernity”. It’s strange that chatbots and other guards on the payroll have not yet been reconfigured (they haven’t prepared a new manual) and they haven’t explained to dear Russians why everything that happened is “normal”... On the other hand, all this can be regarded as an advertisement for the future of the territory, which is still called RF.

[Dart2027]

He simply could not help but know what kind of reaction he would cause (good media people work for him).
The answer, in the author's opinion, is simple - the video was shown to show that the Chechens will get those they consider their enemies anywhere, including in a pre-trial detention center. And the laws do not dictate to them.

There is another option.
The article does not mention that the detainee worked for the SBU and the burning of the Koran was not ordinary stupidity, but the execution of an order from his superiors (for a reward of 10000 rubles), as was the filming of military facilities, which he was engaged in. So the video can be a warning to such young women that they shouldn’t look for trouble.

[r5555]

[Quote] [/ quote]

You're a fool! It’s clear that the videos they post are about ones that hamsters will fall for. There will be no other videos about the rest of the videos, Kadyrov is still not completely bruised

[Dart2027]

Quote: r5555

There will be no other videos

Which others specifically?

[Adrey]

Quote: Dart2027

The article does not mention that the detainee worked for the SBU and the burning of the Koran was not ordinary stupidity, but the execution of an order from his superiors (for a reward of 10000 rubles), as was the filming of military facilities, which he was engaged in.

Only at the SBU? People are getting smaller . A little less than a century ago he would have worked for American and Japanese intelligence . Although, maybe they just haven’t “dug it up” yet?
But in reality, yes, stormy applause turning into a standing ovation from the SBU (and probably the CIA)... for Ramzan Akhmatovich. So you have to try to “rock the boat” through the world “net”.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Adrey

Only at the SBU? People are getting smaller

That is, there are no objections.

[Adrey]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, there are no objections.

Maybe you know better since you say so confidently. Maybe he gave you testimony... in the cell, in the presence of the Kadyrovs

[Dart2027]

Quote: Adrey

Maybe you know better since you say so confidently

Have you read anything at all except moans about “poor, unfortunate...”?
Or are you worried about your colleague, afraid that you will have to be in his place?

[Adrey]

Quote: Dart2027

besides moaning about “poor, unfortunate...”?

Where did you see my “moans”? To a certain extent, I feel “violet” about the character who is far from being the main character in this story. If you are guilty, you must answer, but within the framework of the LAW, which should be applicable to EVERYONE! SBU agent - let counterintelligence deal with it and not the Kadyrovs.

Quote: Dart2027

Or are you worried about your colleague, afraid that you will have to be in his place?

The only thing worth worrying about in this case is the level of legality and compliance with the constitution in our country. In this situation, anyone can actually find themselves in the place of the “burner”, and not necessarily actually guilty of anything.

Quote from A.B.

Everything smart that could be written has already been written. Therefore, I will only add the name of what happened on the Internet: LOL Pe - Summer of the final liquidation of law.

Quote: UAZ 452

Only the law, and one that is binding on everyone, can cope with lawlessness. Lawlessness on the part of the authorities can only finish off the law, and therefore the country completely.

That's right. Something like this

[Dart2027]

Quote: Adrey

Where did you see my “moans”?

Have you tried to read what you are answering?

Quote: Dart2027

Have you read anything at all except moans about “poor, unfortunate...”?

Quote: Adrey

The only thing worth worrying about in this case is the level of legality and compliance with the constitution in our country.

In war, at all times, laws have greatly pushed things to the side. So it was, is and will be. And I remember the cries about “observing the laws” from the time of the second Chechen war, when our special services began blowing up militants who had fled abroad.

[Adrey]

Quote: Dart2027

Have you tried to read what you are answering?

Apparently I made a mistake in my interpretation

Quote: Dart2027

In war, at all times, laws have greatly pushed things to the side.

Nothing like this. You are very mistaken. In case of war martial law applies with all that follows from here. If war is not officially declared, martial law (or a state of emergency) is not declared, life continues peacetime laws. And nothing else! Everything else is arbitrariness and anarchy (this is if the country is normal).

Quote: Dart2027

And I remember the cries about “observing the laws” from the time of the second Chechen war, when our special services began blowing up militants who had fled abroad.

Bad example. The intelligence services operated outside the borders of their country, therefore outside its jurisdiction. And on the territory of your state, please act within the framework of existing laws.
At one time, the CIA paid bitterly for activities incompatible with the law on the territory of the United States proper (if sclerosis is not betraying me, then the mid-late 70s). Many heads and asses flew out of the warm chairs then. But on foreign territory - do whatever you want, as long as it’s for the good of the state (just don’t get caught, otherwise you’ll go through the process, according to the laws of the country where you got into trouble)

[Dart2027]

Quote: Adrey

If war is not officially declared, or a state of war (or a state of emergency) is not declared, life continues according to the laws of peacetime. And nothing else! Everything else is arbitrariness and anarchy (this is if the country is normal).

Normal countries have been fighting for decades, but without declaring war.

Quote: Adrey

At one time, the CIA paid bitterly for activities incompatible with the law on the territory of the United States proper (if sclerosis is not betraying me, then the mid-late 70s). Quite a few heads and asses flew out of the warm chairs then.

That doesn’t stop the American elites from spitting on any laws whenever they want. And nothing. And the Watergate scandal was an internal showdown between their elites.

[Adrey]

Quote: Dart2027

Normal countries have been fighting for decades, but without declaring war.

Undoubtedly. But nevertheless they live according to the laws peacetime, which are observed.

Quote: Dart2027

And the Watergate scandal was an internal showdown between their elites.

It is truth too.

Quote: Dart2027

That doesn’t stop the American elites from spitting on any laws whenever they want. And nothing.

But here you contradict yourself. They got to the point of impeachment (or resignation, if you want to find fault) of President Nixon. And by the way, everything is in accordance with by law . That is, where does it turn out to work? And for a minute, the war in Vietnam was not over yet. I’m generally silent about the South Korean ex-presidents who receive prison terms with enviable consistency (again, according to the law).

[Dart2027]

Quote: Adrey

But nevertheless they live according to the laws of peacetime

Just something with illegal prisons for those undesirable.

Quote: Adrey

They got to the point of impeachment (or resignation, if you want to find fault) of President Nixon.

As I already wrote about the showdown between the elites. There, serious people were wiretapped, not just anyone else.

Quote: Adrey

South Korean ex-presidents, who receive prison sentences with enviable consistency (again, according to the law)

But for some reason the system remains unchanged. I wonder why?

[Adrey]

Quote: Dart2027

Just something with illegal prisons for those undesirable.

Can you give examples of such prisons? Guantanamo Bay is not offered. As far as I know, people suspected of terrorism and who are not US citizens are held there. And definitely not US citizens detained on US territory who were sent there at the pre-trial stage.

Quote: Dart2027

As I already wrote about the showdown between the elites. There, serious people were wiretapped, not just anyone else.

What's the difference!? Let the elites, but the proceedings were carried out within the framework law, and not the use of sledgehammers and "press hats" and led to natural the result.

Quote: Dart2027

But for some reason the system remains unchanged. I wonder why?

Are we discussing systems now or the efficiency of laws?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Adrey

Guantanamo Bay is not offered. As far as I know, people suspected of terrorism and who are not US citizens are held there. And definitely not US citizens detained on US territory who were sent there at the pre-trial stage.

And what? Is this legal? The lawlessness and arbitrariness of the special services is obvious. By the way, the Bandera member beaten by Kadyrov Jr. was born in Ukraine.

Quote: Adrey

Even if it was an elite, the proceedings were carried out within the framework of the law, and not with the use of sledgehammers and press hats, and led to a logical result.

Which was beneficial to the winners. Moreover, the same Nixon had a chance to stay in power and then the law would have been different.

Quote: Adrey

Are we discussing systems now or the efficiency of laws?

Do you seriously believe that only presidents steal there? All this resembles a show for the people that they say they are fighting corruption, they imprisoned an ex-resident... Well, no one asks about what the whole government was doing.

[Adrey]

Quote: Dart2027

And what? Is this legal? The lawlessness and arbitrariness of the special services is obvious.

In relation to your citizens? By the way, there is an interesting conflict there. Since the base is not located on US territory, it is not US laws and, accordingly, the court that applies, but the US Military Court.

Quote: Dart2027

By the way, the Bandera member beaten by Kadyrov Jr. was born in Ukraine.

And what? Is he a Russian citizen? My mother (Russian) was born in Dushanbe (Tajikistan) in 1950, what next?

Quote: Dart2027

Which was beneficial to the winners.

The law is always against the losers .

Quote: Dart2027

Moreover, the same Nixon had a chance to stay in power and then the law would have been different.

I didn't. He himself “voluntarily” resigned, under the weight of indisputable evidence, before his 100% inevitable, LEGAL impeachment. If I had, I wouldn’t have done that. And in general, no one changed the laws before or after that.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Adrey

In relation to your citizens? By the way, there is an interesting conflict there. Since the base is not located on US territory, it is not US laws and, accordingly, the court that applies, but the US Military Court.

That is, the law is the drawbar. We occupied part of a foreign state and everything here is not our laws. Well, about your citizens, ask those who were imprisoned on charges of supporting Trump.

Quote: Adrey

And what? Is he a Russian citizen?

Judging by its laws, no.

Quote: Adrey

I didn't. He himself “voluntarily” resigned, under

Having lost to opponents in political games. Moreover, he himself was not even tried, but was pardoned, along with 15 other accused, and only small fry were imprisoned. And everything is according to the law, which is interesting. It is also interesting that the prosecution has recordings of Nixon’s conversations that came from nowhere, the presence of which proves that his opponents were doing the same thing as him. Which of them was imprisoned there?

[Negro]

Quote: Dart2027

Well, about your citizens, ask those who were imprisoned on charges of supporting Trump

American criminal law is the misfortune and shame of this country. But you are somewhat exaggerating the clarity of DoJ. They were accused not of supporting Trump, but of “terrorism,” which was expressed in the seizure of the administrative building. It’s as if the Crane stormed the Kremlin on Inauguration Day. It seems that he is not entirely accused of this.

More arguments?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Negro

They were accused not of supporting Trump, but of “terrorism,” which was expressed in the seizure of the administrative building.

It was only then that a witch hunt began, in which people were punished precisely for their support.

[Negro]

Quote: Dart2027

It was only then that a witch hunt began, in which people were punished precisely for their support.

Trump is supported by (more or less) half of Congress, half of the governors and a majority in the Supreme Court. Yes, there are Democratic reserves where supporting Trump can get you fired from your job (universities, most major media outlets), but this is a grassroots initiative, so to speak, and not government policy. I don’t remember that a Trump supporter was transported to California, where he would be starred on camera by Governor Newsom’s son.

[UAZ 452]

And the Watergate scandal was an internal showdown between their elites.

So the concept of separation of powers, checks and balances still works? In contrast to our approach - a total cleansing of the political landscape from all competition, closing all levers on a specific group... of like-minded people, or even on a specific person? And despite such bickering and showdowns among the elites, if necessary, their state demonstrates impressive efficiency, unlike...

[Dart2027]

Quote: UAZ 452

So the concept of separation of powers, checks and balances still works?

Nope. The two groups that usurped power had a slight quarrel, but essentially the system remained the same.

Quote: UAZ 452

despite such bickering and showdowns between the elites, if necessary, their state demonstrates impressive efficiency

For example, when they staged September 11th for themselves. How many people later spoke about inconsistencies in the official version and nothing.

[Negro]

Quote: UAZ 452

So the concept of separation of powers, checks and balances still works?

Not quite.

Watergate, translated into Russian, was an FSB leak. On a smaller scale, we saw a similar performance in the youth of one of our good friends: he then headed the FSB and showed interesting videos on TV with the participation of the then Prosecutor General.

But yes, the general idea is correct. The more the “elites” squabble among themselves, the more quality decisions are made on average. For an effective absolute monarchy or dictatorship, a person of a special type is needed, who are born rarely, quickly deteriorate, and certainly do not pass on the “special type” by inheritance. Therefore, for one Lee Kuan Yew (who in his youth was such a fruit, but in his old age he noticeably became a cuckoo) there is half a world of various cannibals, for every taste.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Negro

The more the “elites” squabble among themselves, the more quality decisions are made on average.

In theory. But mostly they resolve everything amicably.

[Negro]

Quote: Adrey

A little less than a century ago he would have worked for American and Japanese intelligence

Beria, I remember, once signed up for the Azerbaijani one. Where did he find her?

[acetophenone]

Well, the third Chechen war now Russia will definitely not cope. Then, after the Ukrainian one - perhaps... But will we have this “later”? Because then the collective West will throw other “Slavic brothers” at us. Nobody thinks that the matter will be limited to the outskirts? Or do you think so? Well, you're stupid, in that case...

[your1970]

Quote: acetophenon

Because then the collective West will throw other “Slavic brothers” at us

We are orphans..and the Ukrainians are not really brothers to us anymore, and all the Bulgarians/Poles are certainly not relatives. It’s not a pity to hit them with something hard, there are no relatives there...

[Umpteenth]

What do they do with them when there is no camera....

[steelmaker]

"The laws are the same for everyone... Except Chechnya"
The author seemed to have flown from the moon. Everyone has known this for a long time. And not only “except Chechnya”. Those who have power and money have long lived according to their own concepts. Yes, yes, not according to laws, but concepts! And Putin’s words: “Stop making business a nightmare.” It has something to do with the law.

[ivan2022]

The empirical fact is that in Russia a Russian is NOT equal to a Chechen.

Why? Because the people, who are called “state-forming” or “imperial”, have simply been crushed for centuries by the power of the Empire. Both physically and psychologically. The state and officials become its gods.

And the “small people” have the advantage that they live for themselves, according to their national traditions. The traditions of a small people ensure its existence and abandoning them is unacceptable.

Even according to the Bible, the state is good. But not the Empire. State power is from God, and Imperial power is from the devil. Just like grape wine, it is from God. And vodka is from the devil.


The USSR is an exception because the USSR was not an Empire. Although this label is carefully applied to him. And in the USSR there were remnants of the Empire. But the USSR itself was a union of democratic republics. And that's what it was called.

And RI was an Empire and was also called that. And so in the Republic of Ingushetia, Russians became the most powerless enslaved, although “imperial” people.
This was excellently described in his poem “The Serpent Tugarin” by the 19th century poet K. Tolstoy.

[Vladimir80]

Even according to the Bible, the state is good. But not the Empire. State power is from God, and Imperial power is from the devil. Just like grape wine, it is from God. And vodka is from the devil.


The USSR is an exception because the USSR was not an Empire. Although this label is carefully applied to him. And in the USSR there were remnants of the Empire. But the USSR itself was a union

"Everything is mixed up in the Oblonskys' house"

[Aag]

Quote: ivan2022

The empirical fact is that in Russia a Russian is NOT equal to a Chechen.

Why? Because the people, who are called “state-forming” or “imperial”, have simply been crushed for centuries by the power of the Empire. Both physically and psychologically. The state and officials become its gods.

And the “small people” have the advantage that they live for themselves, according to their national traditions. The traditions of a small people ensure its existence and abandoning them is unacceptable.

Even according to the Bible, the state is good. But not the Empire. State power is from God, and Imperial power is from the devil. Just like grape wine, it is from God. And vodka is from the devil.


The USSR is an exception because the USSR was not an Empire. Although this label is carefully applied to him. And in the USSR there were remnants of the Empire. But the USSR itself was a union of democratic republics. And that's what it was called.

And RI was an Empire and was also called that. And so in the Republic of Ingushetia, Russians became the most powerless enslaved, although “imperial” people.
This was excellently described in his poem “The Serpent Tugarin” by the 19th century poet K. Tolstoy.

According to your comment, there are doubts only in terms of gradation, naming, wine, vodka without taking into account current prices)))).

[Mavrikiy]

Let's dance from the stove. What do we want? Not legality, but Justice. To do this, you need to know who Alexey Zhuravlev is, why did he burn the Koran? Who knows, maybe we’ll still want to kick him, or maybe we’ll write to Comrade Kalinin asking for help.

[sadam2]

Quote: Mavrikiy

What do we want? Not legality, but Justice

hmm... who are we? each *we* have our own goals
justice is too biased a concept for a multinational state
there will be a lot of shit here for a week

[Stas157]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Let's dance from the stove. What do we want? Not legality, but Justice.

Let's get away from the stove. To expect justice from a state, it is first necessary that the state itself adhere to elementary legality.
Or is it different in your head?

[your1970]

Quote: Stas157

To expect justice from a state, it is first necessary that the state itself adhere to elementary legality.

Justice NOT equal to legality.

Our drug addict threw a nightstand out the window and ended up in a stroller with a baby. Death...
His father tore the tin door with his hands, broke him all and threw him out of the 4th floor.
The drug addict is not a walking person - he has a spinal injury - he is practically a vegetable, his father is in prison.
All in framework of law - but there is no smell of justice here

[Stas157]

Quote: your1970

Justice does NOT equal legality.

Where did I say this? And the concepts are actually different.

However, this does not negate the fact that justice is impossible if lawlessness reigns in the state.
Or do you have a different opinion?

[UAZ 452]

Justice does NOT equal legality.

By the way, it is symbolic that in languages ​​based on Latin, justice and legality are words with the same root (from “justice”, although in English there are other synonyms with different etymologies), but in Russian, for example, in There is not even the slightest consonance between these terms, in any of the options.

[UAZ 452]

Justice does NOT equal legality.

By the way, it is symbolic that in languages ​​based on Latin, justice and legality are words with the same root (from “justice”, although in English there are other synonyms with different etymologies), but in Russian, for example, in There is not even the slightest consonance between these terms, in any of the options.

[m4rtin.frost]

This has been going on for a long time! Remember the numerous public murders of journalists and human rights activists! Or how Kadyrov arranged a showdown with blood feud! Or how they stuffed spiders into the panties of unwanted people!

[ivan2022]

Kadyrov behaves quite adequately to the circumstances.
When Kadyrov was asked: “Why are you a patriot of Russia if you were a militant and killed Russians?” he answered brilliantly simply: “I am always with my people. Where the people go, I go.”

Did the Russians ever demand an apology and repentance from him? I didn’t see or hear.... Can such behavior be considered adequate?

[Vincent price]

Don't compare true citizens of the Russian Federation and the mob.

[bravo77]

Quote: Uncle Lee

the head of the Russian region, publishes, internally rejoicing and approving of his son’s action, publishes with the full understanding that nothing will follow this video

But nothing will happen to him... He imagines himself to be the deputy of Allah on Earth.

who helped him think
finish the thought

[Ryaruav]

Chechnya for Putin is his last stronghold

[Igor1915]

The Russian Federation brings together too different nationalities with their own mentality, in the USSR they tried to dilute it with Russians, but nothing happened. In this situation, you either need to turn a blind eye or you will get some kind of enclave (or separate states) under the control of some kind of Islamic radicals or with NATO bases. The second option is to throw money at them like in the XNUMXs, but now they don’t exist, but let’s say the Saudis or the USA have them.

[bravo77]

the video demonstrates that any prince in the country can order
arrest of any person and delivery to his estate
where they can do whatever they want with him

By the way, at one time Olezhek Tinkov ordered Nemagiya bloggers to Kemerovo
and sent operatives from Moscow after them, but the locals defended them

Well, rip to the secular, rule of law state
they shoved the main law down your throat and said it would be even tougher than in the 90s

[Escariot]

Quote from: bravo77

the video demonstrates that any prince in the country can order
arrest of any person and delivery to his estate
where they can do whatever they want with him

By the way, at one time Olezhek Tinkov ordered Nemagiya bloggers to Kemerovo
and sent operatives from Moscow after them, but the locals defended them

Well, rip to the secular, rule of law state
they shoved the main law down your throat and said it would be even tougher than in the 90s

Olezhka then acted formally within the framework of the law. Officially, he has nothing to show, and everything else is slander and vain. The crime of the governor’s son is immediately obvious.

[Alt 22]

What happened is a shame for Russia, which showed that it is a “legal” state, and another brick in the foundation of Chechnya’s independence - which showed that it didn’t give a damn about Russian laws, human rights and other nonsense from its point of view...

[Million]

Accordingly, he makes a challenge to the entire legal system of Russia, makes a challenge, it seems to me, to the legislative and executive authorities.”

This is not a challenge, but a demonstration of the fact that Ramzan Akhmatovich and Bastrykin and Putin with their laws were rotten.

[UAZ 452]

Why did he spit Bastrykin? Bastrykin arranged this for him, in the form of transporting Zhuravel from Volgograd to Chechnya, in violation of all the norms of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation. Therefore, they are accomplices.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

It is unfortunate that a respected author approves of the burning of the Koran as a holy book.

[Ivan Seversky]

Chechnya is anti-Russia:
1.they live on payments from the budget. By decision of the local court, the gas debts of the population are canceled.
2. Chechen “security forces” openly commit kidnappings in other regions (for example, the kidnapping of the wife of a retired judge in Nizhny)
3. They do not carry out mobilization at home, enrolling Russian volunteers who were recruited in Grozny in Akhmat. For some reason, the Krasnodar region did not do this with Molkino.

It’s interesting to see how much the image of the Chechen security forces has changed; no one is afraid of tiktokers anymore, who shoot videos deep in the rear, expropriate scrap metal and get stuck in a traffic jam for many hours on the way to Rostov. Meanwhile, Chechnya’s special rights continue to grow: the Sharia trial of the Russian fool Zhuravel and, after the video was posted, Putin’s meeting with Kadyrov, in which he gives the Academician the right to a new mosque in South Butovo.

[ArchiPhil]

You can be indignant or approve of the action of the son of *Putin’s infantryman* as much as you like, but this will change absolutely nothing. This is simply an indicator of who we are for this government. That’s it. Curtain.

[kor1vet1974]

[B]

This is simply an indicator of who we are for this government.[

/b]Few people still realize this, judging by the comments.

[sadam2]

It seems to me that this is the new face of the Chechen successor))
a lot depends on the status of the Russian Federation when it emerges from the war; this will determine the direction of the Kadyrov clan

[Adrey]

Quote: ArchiPhil

This is simply an indicator of who we are for this government. Everything. Curtain.

Everything is correct in general. But the question arises... Why? appeared this demonstration force, lawlessness, omnipotence, if not for the purpose of intimidation?
But to scare “out of the blue”?.. why?

[Sergey_K]

It's hard to read a hysterical hysteria... But to the point. And our justice is wrong; there was no need to hand over the defendant. And you can't beat him! And it is necessary to PUNISH for burning the Koran RIGHT, so that others will be discouraged. We always have a problem with punishment - nobility! There should be NO nobility here - this is not a knightly tournament - this is WAR!

[your1970]

Quote: Sergey_K

It's hard to read a hysterical hysteria... But to the point. And our justice is wrong; there was no need to hand over the defendant. And you can't beat him! And it is necessary to PUNISH for burning the Koran RIGHT, so that others will be discouraged. We always have a problem with punishment - nobility! There should be NO nobility here - this is not a knightly tournament - this is WAR!

Do you propose not to play at being noble - but to publicly cut off Zhuravel’s head, for example?

[12olegg34]

you don’t need a head, you can have eggs... so that they don’t multiply...

[sadam2]

Quote: your1970

publicly chop off Zhuravel's head, for example?

cutting off heads is medieval barbarism.
there is a civilized way of using a sledgehammer to use a bale, which was given to Mironov, the deputy and leader of the faction... war is not the time for tribunals

[Lomo]

And here is the answer to the events from the hero of the “triumph” himself. Posted it on one of the banned social networks.

[Codett]

Welcome to feudal society, that's where we came after just a little over 30 years from the collapse of the USSR, straight up the rule of law.

[kor1vet1974]

Welcome to feudal society

Yes, but the yards are filled with foreign cars, there is a lot of sausage and there is no shortage and “we have never lived as well as we do now” (c)

[your1970]

Quote: kor1vet1974

Welcome to feudal society

Yes, but the yards are filled with foreign cars, there is a lot of sausage and there is no shortage and “we have never lived as well as we do now” (c)

The seizure of weapons in Chechnya in the 1930s was carried out by military operations using artillery and air bombing of villages...
That's right, little things from the USSR....

[kor1vet1974]

That's right, little things from the USSR....

And what does this have to do with today's situation? Are there more sausages? Are there any foreign cars in the yards? The President says that we have never lived so well? Why should the weapons not be confiscated? And not fight banditry in the 30s, but that was banditry. Right? Oh, and now there are no bandits in Chechnya. And in the 90s they didn’t fight there, one of those with whom the current head of Chechnya fought. In the 30s, former bandits were not put at the head of the republic.

[your1970]

Quote: kor1vet1974

And what does this have to do with today's situation?

Direct - that in 1930 and in 1990 they acted with the same methods. Although the states were different

Quote: kor1vet1974

.In the 30s, former bandits were not installed at the head of the republic.

uuuuppsss......
Who do you think was in charge at that time? all in USSR???????
Within the framework of the Criminal Code of the Republic of Ingushetia, all those who overthrew the government automatically became bandits.....
Considering that the majority served their sentences before the revolution, they are all criminals.
Kamo, for example, was sentenced to death on 4 counts
So that legally the entire Red Guard is "an illegal armed group trying to overthrow the government"

[Adrey]

Quote: your1970

The seizure of weapons in Chechnya in the 1930s was carried out by military operations using artillery and air bombing of villages...
That's right, little things from the USSR....

Your lies! The new history textbook has already been corrected “due to numerous and extremely convincing requests...”
And for rewriting history (by you), you yourself know what the LAW requires

[AdAstra]

You forgot about toilet paper "" ""

[kor1vet1974]

Toilet paper? Yes, I think I wrote about sausage, although now it’s the same thing

[Negro]

Quote: kor1vet1974

We have never lived as well as we do now" (c)

Yes. Fortunately, in Russia there is nothing special to compare with.

[Adrey]

Quote: Codett

Welcome to feudal society, that's where we came after just a little over 30 years from the collapse of the USSR, straight up the rule of law.

Yeah...a и с such You won’t find manifestations in every Africa...

[Negro]

Quote: Codett

just a little over 30 years from the collapse of the USSR, the rule of law has become clear.

The USSR had its own jokes. Both on the periphery and in Moscow.

There really was no TikTok, yes.

[r5555]

It’s too late to drink Borjomi, the Secretary General has already met with Kadyrov and did nothing in connection with this incident. As someone correctly wrote here, “Putin made his choice for impunity and sloppiness in the army.”

[kor1vet1974]

One for hype, he burned the Koran, the other for hype, he punched him in the face... But no one thought about the consequences, neither the one who burned, nor the one who took revenge. And disasters, with consequences, will still come against the backdrop of this incident.

[Unknown]

For apparent calm in Transcaucasia, GDP pays tribute to the Chechen Sultanate it is clear as clear as day. Talk about legality or illegality there meaningless. .Guided by political expediency. Actually, one gets the impression that the Russian Federation is untouchable only two religious denominations are Islam and Judaism, and Orthodoxy is on the side, despite the ostentatious concern for it. Yes, that down did not imagine all the consequences when he burned the Koran, let alone that he would be taken to Chechnya to be torn to pieces for a long time. But..... The scandal around the holy spring in Kaliningrad where five Muslims washed their shoes in the holy spring of the Orthodox chapel. They filmed the entire process and posted it online. “For them it’s holy water, but we really wash our feet,” one of them says, laughing. Isn't this an insult to the religious feelings of the Orthodox? At first they said that they were Chechens, then Dagestanis, and they agreed on neutral Muslims. And right away

The local Muslim community does not rule out a provocation.

Then off we go

The identities of all the men were established, the violators were soon detained and then released.

The Ministry of National Policy and Religious Affairs of Dagestan said that the young people admitted their guilt and are ready to apologize

Why weren't they imprisoned? Why weren’t they sent on a convoy to one of the overly Orthodox zones, where they also clearly explained how to wash your feet in holy water? And there are many more reasons, but there will be no answer. After the past scandal with the beating....the President met with the head of Chechnya и

Conclusion, the authorities bet on anyone , but not the Russians themselves It’s sad.

[your1970]

How do you propose to punish all for crimes of this kind? How long did Puska serve there and how many nerves were frayed due to the oppression of political fighters with the redhead?

[Negro]

Quote: your1970

How do you propose to punish everyone for crimes of this kind?

What kind of "crime" is this?

[Adrey]

Quote: your1970

How do you propose to punish everyone for crimes of this kind?

Elementary Watson . In accordance with current legislation

[Non-fighter]

We have two states in our country - the state of the rich and the state of the poor; in fact, we live in a country of victorious fascism.
“Everything is for our own, the law is for others” - this is fascism, the real one. The dividing line is not based on skull shape or blood, but on belonging to social groups.
ANY of us could be in Nikita Zhuravel’s place. The internal political situation in the country is not the best. If someone really wants change, even with the best intentions, it is easy to be upset. “We will arrest you, transfer you to Chechnya, and then send your family a video of how you were tortured and killed. And then we will indicate that the official cause of death in the Grozny pre-trial detention center is suicide.”
Here on the site we are indignant, where do we get so many “waiters”, and even outright saboteurs. This case is the best propaganda for joining these ranks.

[your1970]

Quote: Not the fighter

There are so many of us “waiting for”, and even outright saboteurs. This case is the best propaganda for joining these ranks.

This proposal contradicts

Quote: Not the fighter

We will send your family a video of how you were tortured and killed. And then we’ll point out that the official cause of death in the Grozny pre-trial detention center is suicide.”

And to this

Quote: Not the fighter

ANY of us could be in Nikita Zhuravel’s place.

In such situations, no saboteurs are formed
and if they formed- this means that China’s executions of corrupt officials are meaningless....

[your1970]

For 4 minusers - In China they send not a video - a bill for spent cartridges.
But the idea is the same

[Negro]

Quote: your1970

In such situations, no saboteurs are formed

Is this how you now evaluate the work of the NKVD?

Quote: your1970

China's executions of corrupt officials are meaningless....

The PRC's executions of corrupt officials are senseless in exactly the same way as the executions of corrupt officials in the USSR were senseless. Take every nail from work, yes. And everyone understands this perfectly.

[Russian Patriot]

It's time to remember the case of the founder of Grozny and the best expert on Caucasian issues, General Ermolov.
If our senile and sluggish government continues and continues to allow Chechnya, Dagestan and others to live in Russia according to their own laws, collapse awaits us.

[Gomunkul]

This week, the Russian media field was stirred up by the story of the beating of Nikita Zhuravel, detained for burning the Koran in Volgograd, by Adam Kadyrov (son of Ramzan Kadyrov) in a pre-trial detention center in Grozny. The corresponding video was posted by the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, declaring that he was “proud of his son’s action” and “respects his choice.”

If you put all emotions aside and look at what happened from the outside.
1. The article does not contain a biography of Nikita Zhuravel, so it is not clear who this person is, and what guided his actions when he committed his controversial act.
2. The video filmed by the head of Chechnya (my guess) was apparently intended for internal use for residents of the republic.
3. Earlier, an article was published on VO where Budanov, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, openly stated that they are not abandoning attempts to provoke a civil war in the Russian Federation; in my opinion, this situation can be considered precisely as an action from the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, with the aim of provoking Kadyrov to those actions which he committed and thereby cause a public outcry within the country.
4. Summing up my thoughts, I would like to appeal to everyone, people be careful in their statements and their actions, the enemy does not sleep.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Gomunkul

4. Summing up my thoughts, I would like to appeal to everyone, people be careful in their statements and their actions, the enemy does not sleep.

The enemy does not sleep, beats prisoners and publishes videos throughout the country. With a shout, nothing will happen to me for complete lawlessness.

[Gomunkul]

The enemy does not sleep, beats prisoners and publishes videos throughout the country. With a shout, nothing will happen to me for complete lawlessness.

It was precisely this kind of reaction that those people who decided to launch an action with the burning of the Koran were counting on.
I’m not justifying anyone in this case; we need to look for those who benefited from all this.
As Kozma Prutkov said: “Look at the root!”

[Non-fighter]

For burning the Koran, Zhuravel must answer according to the law, under the article “Inciting national and religious hatred.” But the fact that in the video is not provided for by any legislation, in fact - lynching, this is also punishable (theoretically).

[kor1vet1974]

But what is not provided for in the video by any legislation is, in fact, lynching,

But we live in a gang, not in the state. “It’s nice, brothers, it’s nice, it’s nice, brothers, you don’t have to bother with our chieftain” (c)

[roosei]

It is in a gang that we live, since the accused is dealt with according to concepts, and not according to the law

[your1970]

Quote: Not the fighter

For burning the Koran, Zhuravel must answer according to the law, under the article “Inciting national and religious hatred”

You will suit a fine of 300 to 500 - which will happily be transferred to him from abroad and even from Ukraine?

[kor1vet1974]

people be careful in your statements and actions, the enemy is not asleep

Yeah, again “enemies, burned his home, beat up his whole family” (c), raised fuel prices, starting from the new year, they will increase electricity, gas, of course, prices for everything else will rise to the skies.. Who should bear their sadness? ?Yes, and you won’t, because you need to be careful in your statements and your actions. Otherwise, I tried to express my sadness and am no longer a survivor.

[Gomunkul]

“enemies burned his home, beat up his entire family” (c),

In the original it sounds like this:

The enemies burned their native hut,
They ruined his whole family.

Just like you, I don’t like what’s happening now in the country (Russian Federation), the feudal system doesn’t suit me, but there is one thing, if this regime falls, it will be even worse. I really don’t want the country to plunge into another civil war.

[kor1vet1974]

if this regime falls

who will fight with whom? who will defeat whom? One chieftain, another? Although I cannot rule out a shootout between supporters of various atamans, this will not be a civil war, it will be a showdown at a large level, and ordinary citizens will suffer.

[Gomunkul]

who will fight with whom? who will defeat whom? One chieftain, another?

It doesn’t matter who will fight with whom, the main goal of those who are accelerating all this is to create chaos, and the longer it lasts, the better. Ideally, there would be no one left in this territory!

[storm]

if this regime falls, it will be even worse

Who will be worse off, the thieves-oligarchs and sycophants - officials who have been brazenly plundering the country for 30 years.
There will be a normal change of power and new people will come instead of the “current ones”....

[Adrey]

Quote: Gomunkul

Earlier, an article was published on VO where Budanov, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, openly stated that they are not giving up attempts to provoke a civil war in the Russian Federation,

You are right about this... Budanov and TsIPSO give a standing ovation to Ramzan Akhmatovich!

[Gomunkul]

You are right about this... Budanov and TsIPSO give a standing ovation to Ramzan Akhmatovich!

This is exactly what I wanted to say; all this was designed for the emotional component. But people like to throw everything into a heap without understanding it, it makes life easier and more convenient.

[hound]

“But people like to throw everything together without understanding it,” indeed! But why, if offending the feelings of believers by burning the Koran is bad, but offending the feelings of believers in the law is good??

[UAZ 452]

Earlier, an article was published on VO where Budanov, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, openly stated that they are not abandoning attempts to provoke a civil war in the Russian Federation; in my opinion, this situation can be considered precisely as an action from the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, with the aim of provoking Kadyrov to take the actions that he committed and thereby cause a public outcry within the country

Do you want to say that Kadyrov is a GUR agent? Maybe you're right, but aren't you afraid to end up in the next cell with Nikita Zhuravel? And if we take into account the fact that Zhuravel Kadyrova, contrary to all the norms of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation, was sent from Volgograd on the personal order of Mr. Bastrykin, then...

[Gomunkul]

Do you want to say that Kadyrov is a GUR agent?

No, not Kadyrov, Kadyrov was chosen as the most attractive object of provocation, the agent could be Nikita Zhuravel.
The wave has already begun, the people are indignant, the goal has been achieved. Now the main thing is not to reduce the intensity of passions in society, ideally to provoke clashes on religious grounds within the country. But unfortunately there are not many people capable of analytical thinking in VO; my comments above are proof of this. History teaches our people nothing; maybe it is their historical mission to engage in self-extermination with some regularity.

[Al manah]

The people will be indignant and deflated.
.................................................. ..

[nerovnayadoroga]

You are almost right, only not the people, but the authorities and not a civil war, but a religious war, the most terrible, on the recommendations and supervision of our best friends, who have been preparing this action for 30 years, and our henchmen are diligently implementing their recommendations to saturate the country with young, healthy citizens of other faiths and nationalities and nipping in the bud any attempts to resist this indigenous ethnic group... That’s the whole reason...

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote: Gomunkul

Budanov, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, openly stated that they are not giving up attempts to provoke a civil war in the Russian Federation

So why is Kadyrov helping him?

Quote: Gomunkul

in order to provoke Kadyrov to the actions he committed

Sorry, if the head of an entire region with extensive management experience and is far from a young man can be provoked by a simple one-step move like a fifth grader, then maybe... Sorry again.

[Negro]

Quote: Gomunkul

there is no biography of Nikita Zhuravel, so it is not clear who this person is and what motivated him

Who cares?

Quote: Gomunkul

intended for internal use for residents of the republic.

What new could residents of the Chechen Republic learn from this video? And Kadyrov Sr. doesn’t care about people outside the Chechen Republic, did I get the idea correctly?

Quote: Gomunkul

this situation can be considered precisely as an action from the State Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine

Do Bystrykin and Kadyrov work for the State Intelligence Service of Ukraine? Brave claim.

[Million]

By the way, not a single Orthodox priest expressed his opinion on this incident.
And Patriarch Gundyaev has completely disappeared somewhere.

[ZloyCat]

“And Patriarch Gundyaev has completely disappeared somewhere”
maybe on the Hajj?

[AdAstra]

“The answer, in the author’s opinion, is simple - the video was shown with the aim of showing that the Chechens will get those they consider their enemies anywhere, including in a pre-trial detention center. And the laws do not dictate to them.

This was a kind of act of intimidation. This publication cannot be explained in any other way."

You are completely right Author, after that there was no need to write anything. And you need to ask the comrade head of the Investigative Committee of All Rus', does he even know anything about such a law as the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation? And what Peskov will say is that this is a “faithful Pikhotin” you know who, but with us “everything is for friends, and for the rest the law, or rather the absence of it.” And so who defeated whom in the 2nd Chechen war?

[Adrey]

Quote from AdAstra

And you need to ask the comrade head of the Investigative Committee of All Rus', does he even know anything about such a law as the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation?

Who told you that in this particular case it is applicable?

[Tikhonov_Alexander]

Law - what is the drawbar, etc. And there’s nothing to say about Peskov - this is it... He is one of the faces of the many-faced Janus. In my opinion, public corporal punishment for crimes should be introduced. It would be nice to flog this bastard who burned the Koran in the square and broadcast the execution to the whole country. You look, and other scum will become thoughtful. And publish photographs not only of scum, but also of their closest relatives - fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters.

[your1970]

Quote: Tikhonov_Alexander

It would be nice to flog this bastard who burned the Koran in the square and broadcast the execution to the whole country. You look, and other scum will become thoughtful. And publish photographs not only of scum, but also of their closest relatives - fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters.

In China they are shot in public for news for corruption - did that stop anyone?

[Yuri Vasilyev]

Stopped. Without this it would have been an order of magnitude larger.

[Alexander Shumeiko]

It seems to me that in a situation where both are wrong, it is wrong to make one a saint and the other a fiend. Which of them incited more hatred is a moot point. And this is a choice - to hate and take revenge or to make sure that this does not happen again.

[kor1vet1974]

It is wrong to make one a saint and another a fiend.

You are wrong, they are both saints now...for different sides.

[Alexander Shumeiko]

That's the problem. There is no agreement. One disgusting act cannot be corrected by another. I'm wrong, they're wrong. You are not right. There is no respect. And you can’t achieve it like this. It is sad.

[kor1vet1974]

No agreement

Where does he come from? Can a rich person agree with a poor person? And vice versa? What kind of agreement is there in a world of inequality?

[Alexander Shumeiko]

I’m not going to justify either the provocateurism of the first, or the lawlessness of the second... Specifically for this article. Well, inequality... Attempts to create a fair society have been made many times. You know how they ended as well as I do. Any questions . Nobody knows the answer yet.

[UAZ 452]

You are wrong, they are both saints now...for different sides.

When the same people are saints and fiends for different sides within the same state, then this is called a prelude to civil war.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

The approach to an ordinary person and the head of a region (and, in fact, one of the top officials in the country) is different. Moreover, the first has already been severely punished for his wrongness, and will probably still be, and the second... “I don’t want to talk about it” (c)

[Ray]

Mayhem? Non-compliance with laws?
Agree. Everything is here.
But has everyone forgotten about the more terrible crimes and lawlessness in the Saratov and Irkutsk colonies a couple of years ago?
Where there were not 15-year-old boys, but grown men. They didn’t beat (or rather, they were pokes and not blows), but they tortured and killed prisoners?
The fact is that our law is not for everyone, not only in Chechnya, but everywhere, do you understand?
40 gigs of videos of torture and beatings in Russian prisons and colonies. And even murders.

[Negro]

Quote from Ray

Mayhem? Non-compliance with laws?
Agree. Everything is here.
But what has everyone forgotten?

No, not everyone has forgotten.

You are right, Chechnya does not live by its own special laws. Chechen (and now Donetsk-Lugansk) laws extended their effect to the entire territory of Russia. Comrade Colonel General of the Ministry of Internal Affairs simply speaks much louder than the usual servants of the law, so to speak.

[Adrey]

Quote: Negro

You are right, Chechnya does not live by its own special laws. Chechen (and now Donetsk-Lugansk) laws extended their effect to the entire territory of Russia.

"Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye" .
And there is nothing surprising here. War exacerbates existing contradictions and is a measure of consistency state (not countries)

[Sibiryak70region]

Everything is ours, but for Russians it’s the law. Thank you GDP

[big_fun]

This phenomenon has a name: Fascism.
For a modern (read: layman) person, fascism is the Fuhrer, the swastika, the Holocaust, the Second World War.
If everything is fine with the Jews, that means it’s not fascism. If there is no swastika, it is not fascism. A leader not in uniform is not fascism.
Georgy Dimitrov gave a completely comprehensive and precise definition. But this is the essence of fascism. What about the shape? What does this look like for the average person? And this is what it looks like: paramilitary organizations are replacing law enforcement agencies. Lawless violence against dissidents becomes open and encouraged (“open terrorist” from the definition). In the Russian Federation, this did not start today, but every day this phenomenon is gaining strength. We will see more than one “sledgehammer” yet.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Even Hitler and Mussolini, having come to power, brought their paramilitaries into the legal mainstream (admittedly, the law became a match for them, but still). And slow-witted people like Rem were reset to zero. And here there really is some kind of feudalism, when the Duke of Burgundy wiped his feet on the King of France.

[Kostadinov]

This is the lightest punishment for such a thing. This Zhuravlyov works directly for Kyiv and the West, inciting religious hatred and conflict in the country during an existential conflict for Russia.
I think he should be tried for high treason and sabotage for the benefit of the enemy.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Please, in your own country in Bulgaria, hand over your Bulgarians to be killed by the Turkish minority, but don’t come to us with such advice.

[Kostadinov]

Quote: big_fun

Georgy Dimitrov gave a completely comprehensive and precise definition. But this is the essence of fascism.

The fascist in this case is Zhuravel. He is engaged in burning books and preaching the inferiority of people on religious grounds. The same as Hitler to the Jews. Burning books is not freedom of opinion, but its denial.
At the same time, he deliberately helps to incite religious conflict in Russia and serves the Nazi regime in Kyiv and US world hegemony - the biggest threat to humanity today.

[big_fun]

Perhaps Zhuravel is a fascist. But, if he was not “taken” on the front line with a weapon in his hands and he has a passport as a citizen of the Russian Federation, then he is a citizen of the Russian Federation and has all the corresponding rights. And the Guarantor must guarantee this. If he was captured on the front line and was not immediately killed, then he is a prisoner of war and also has the appropriate rights, for example, he cannot be shot. This will be considered a war crime. A crane, for example, cannot be shot. Because there is no execution for his (not yet proven) crime and there is a moratorium in effect in the Russian Federation. Even if a law is passed and the moratorium is lifted, these actions will not have retroactive effect. Everything must be according to the law. Otherwise Ahmad-Sila. Well, or HG.

[kor1vet1974]

Only a legal change of power through open and fair elections to a decent one will correct the situation.

I don't remember such elections...

[UAZ 452]

Let me be curious: for what reasons are you “completely for the SVO in Ukraine”, if from everything else you wrote in the commentary, it objectively follows that Ukraine had nothing to offer us in the form of an image of a bright future, except “lawlessness, fraud, unprofessionalism, sycophancy, the country is ruled by clans and money, not the law"? If this is exactly what we are trying to bring to Ukraine, then what are we freeing them from? What is the notorious “denazification” if the situation with us is not fundamentally different from the situation with them? Or maybe it’s simpler - our feudal lords decided to slaughter their fiefdoms at the expense of their feudal lords, and now the slaves on both sides are dying for this?

[Fangaro]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Quote from Fangaro

I don’t like Lyokha from Android. Android is the bottom! Only

Am I a girl for you to like or dislike...
I don’t have any mental anguish from your experiences... I’m saying what I think, you cannot forbid me to think and speak within the framework of the law.
I, too, could go through your qualities, but the forum rules prohibit this... so I modestly keep silent about what I wanted to tell you based on indescribable folklore.

Your Android update was unsuccessful, or what?
No one expects mental anguish from you. And you don’t expect to think about what you’re saying either.
If you want to go through the qualities of another commentator, write in a personal message.
Well, if folklore is completely indescribable, then maybe it won’t be clear.
PS. And why did you get mad? Didn't have time to have breakfast, or what?

[kor1vet1974]

How everyone is concerned about the outrage of the feelings of believers and no one remembers the feelings of non-believers.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Quote from: miry_mir

We’re not in Europe; you can get it right away by cumpol. Pray that he’s still alive, otherwise they could have killed him and buried him quietly.

And in Africa - you can also eat it!

[cast iron]

The arsonist is being investigated as a criminal suspect. He hasn't been convicted yet. In Russia there is a Criminal Code, there are special procedures approved by the courts. You are trying to justify complete lawlessness on the part of officials.

[bandabas]

Well, if dad killed Russian captured soldiers in the 90s. Why be surprised. And Peskov.... It’s disgusting to look at the “Kremlin-Rublev” hamadryas led by the one who said “Everything said then [in the late 1990s - early 2000s] is still relevant now,” the representative noted the Kremlin, recalling in particular Putin’s phrase “to kill [terrorists] in the toilet.”

[Vsevolod Z]

An overweight boy, without normal sports training, hits with his palm - this is a comment on his son (that’s why he’s a Chechen medalist, the rest will be beaten).
Illegal movement, illegal access to the accused (there was no trial yet), illegal use of force against the accused. Fact of photographic recording. Inaction of FSIN employees, inaction of supervisory authorities.
Pure feudalism.

[Negro]

Let me remind you that this particular boy really likes to beat Russians on camera - before that he had fun with fake MMA fights. But since the plump guy was almost hanged even in a fake fight, I apparently decided not to take another risk.

And yes, the questions here are not at all for the boy. By the way, where is citizen Lvova-Belova? A minor is used in dangerous work; should parents be deprived of their parental rights?

[bandabas]

“There is no meaner and more insidious people under the sun. Ermolov about the Chechens." No matter how much you feed the wolf, it will keep looking into the forest.

[vik669]

Well, whose son is Nikita Zhuravel - after all, what a stump is this and a shoot is such a topic for thought! You see, this kind of squiggle comes out because of some bastard, such a howl arose throughout the whole herd!

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

The herd - you noticed that correctly. Bydlo in Polish. I hope you don’t take yourself outside of this category?

[optimistkarus]

Why did they suddenly start standing up for this guy like that???
He got what he deserved, Corrupt, he himself would not have matured this plan in his empty head, and since they offered to pay, he might even have sold his own mother. Everything is correct! Or I thought I could sit quietly in a pre-trial detention center for 10 thousand rubles. and will be released......

[Alexander Odintsov]

Burning the Koran is a stupid and, most importantly, dangerous act, since it incites national and religious hatred. But it is necessary to punish according to the law, not concepts. And that Chechnya has its own laws is obvious. What can you do about it? But they actively helped in the Northern Military District. So a fact is a fact.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Ukrainians recognize “Akhmat” as one of the most combat-ready Russian units, below only the old personnel “Wagner” and all sorts of very special forces - but only the international “Akhmat”, where hired Russians and all other peoples of the Russian Federation fight, and the Chechens give money and stripes. And the attitude towards the Chechen "Akhmat" is - sorry, sorry, sorry.

[AdAstra]

Did you actively help make videos for Tik Tok?

[12olegg34]

They gave it right, otherwise the bastards are advertising for themselves on God. It would be a good idea to chop off the bastard's hand...

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

This would certainly bring the form of our young democratic state into line with its content.

[nikolaevskiy78]

I believe that in two, maybe three years, we will end up leaving the country on the order of 10-12 million. of the population that will simply leave wherever they look, everything else will finally cement into some strange mixture of the digital and raw material economy and, as one of the commentators called the Asian “post-modernity”.

[Adrey]

Quote: nikolaevskiy78

I believe that in two, maybe three years, we will end up leaving the country on the order of 10-12 million. population that will simply leave wherever they look,

You are wrong. The border troops will be restored and the border will be locked. They will lower the "iron curtain" from the inside. Under the feudal-serf system, the escape of slaves is a crime and is always punishable.

[nikolaevskiy78]

No, nothing will be lowered, no curtains, no slings, no blinds
This is the cementing, homogenization of the social system - who needs to go out, who wants to go in. Moreover, the burden on the financial system will decrease. The budget is still one way or another based on raw materials.

[Adrey]

Quote: nikolaevskiy78

This is cementation, homogenization of the social system

Quite possible. It’s just better not to imagine such a “homogenized” system of “jingo-patriots” and “leaders.” Although... maybe you won't wait? North Korea fully matches your dreams

[Sergey_Vladimir]

Disgrace and lawlessness, to be sure. Well, what did you want?! From whom a lot is required, it happens that a lot (that others (!) will not get away with) is allowed. And for those who “blow the tower down,” they say, the devil is not my brother. I like it or not, but that’s how it is. Doesn’t fit into the ideal, you say? Not fair, not humane and disgusting? The hero should wear white gloves and be on friendly terms with everyone? Welcome to real life! The pacification of Chechnya and what “Akhmat” is now doing in Ukraine will outweigh everything, even if you cry and wring your hands . The GDP will swallow us up, and we along with it. Unless, by the way, he scolds the Colonel General... And the secretary is “frostbitten.” I don’t want to comment. It’s a pity for Maltsov, however. One, out of stupidity and teenage stupidity, burned him. The other, because of that "punished" for the same reason, but the adults mocked. Yes. Special thanks to the spineless Chief Investigator. This means that if I and a group of comrades consider myself a victim of the atrocities of the privatization of the 90s, will it be canceled or something? Or, say, the investigation of bribery in the Lugansk region will they transfer it to my region of central Russia? Well, what?! The corrupt official caused damage to my state. I am a citizen of this state. I want to see a scoundrel in my district court. Do I have the right or not? It is very reminiscent of the plot of the movie “Checkpoint”, when a soldier from the Russian military unit who shot was handed over to local “law enforcement officers.” He was later returned... In a bag... They threw his remains off a truck...

[Sergey_Vladimir]

Minuses, you didn't like it. Understand. It is unpleasant to read the truth about yourself and your country. However, what's wrong? At least they could argue with reason. “You don’t have evidence against Kostya Saprykin”?