El Pais calls the situation at the front stagnation, the result of which could be the division of Ukraine

There has been a significant change in the tone of articles in the Western press regarding what may await Ukraine in the future. If at the beginning of the year 9 out of 10 materials published on Ukraine were devoted to the fact that the Ukrainian army “will very soon win victory on the battlefield,” now such formulations are reserved, perhaps, only by the most odious anti-Russian media, and even then Not all.

El Pais publishes an article by Christian Segura, in which he writes that in Ukraine “many politicians are extremely afraid of the division of Ukraine.” The article says that statements about partition are being heard more and more often - for example, about partition according to the Korean option or according to the Cyprus option.

Western observer:

Politicians and experts believe that if neither side upsets the balance at the front, exhaustion of forces and international pressure could lead to a cessation of hostilities with territorial division.

According to the Spanish journalist, “the spirit of the Cold War has appeared” in the political debate about the future of Ukraine.

The newspaper calls the situation at the front “stagnation.”

Segura:

And therefore, more and more politicians are saying that Ukraine may face the same scenario that led to the emergence of North and South Korea. Fighting could lead to the emergence of two parts of what was once one country, one of which is a free Ukraine integrated into NATO and the EU.

Already in the West they are trying to declare to Ukraine that “everything is in order” and that it “will be free” even if it finally says goodbye to a significant part of the territories.

Only earlier, the European Union itself stated that if Ukraine is admitted there, this will not happen before 2029. And the NATO Secretary General has repeatedly stated that for Ukraine to be accepted into the alliance, the necessary basic condition is the completion of hostilities, that is, de facto, the same loss of territory that, as Zelensky claims, Kiev will allegedly never agree to. And if Polish troops enter in full force, then Ukraine will certainly become “even freer”...

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[Aaron Zawi]

News to me too. It is clear that Russia will not give up the territories captured on the battlefield.

[Volodin]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

It is clear that Russia will not give up the territories captured on the battlefield.

Freed, my friend. Liberated. These territories were captured, taken from Russia at one time, and you know very well when

[Egeny]

And what if Polish troops enter in full force?

... here's a woodpecker, the Spaniards are already deciding for the Poles... well, well, as they enter, so they will leave... if they can. I still don’t understand whether we need Lvov... Maybe just “to the heap” to annoy the Poles or stop right in Warsaw...

[Russian jacket]

Well, if you trace publications with an alarmist orientation, then a turn towards recognition of the current state of affairs has long been underway.

[Alexander Naydenov]

lies! All the West needs is to split Ukraine and save the Bendery nursery! because they are losing the war with Russia and therefore they need negotiations! only up to the border with Poland and Romania, this Bendery hotbed must be cleared, otherwise the war against Russia will never end!!

[Fitter65]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

It is clear that Russia will not give up the territories captured on the battlefield.

Russia does not seize but returns what is its own. This State of Israel has seized other people's territories and is not giving them back - the Golan Heights, for example...

[Mikhail Ivanov]

So I’m talking about the same thing, what does it mean? It is already in full swing.

[Pavel73]

There is no “Korean option” with an unclear demarcation line. Full division, full state border, neutral and demilitarized status of the remaining territory of Ukraine.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Pavel73

There is no “Korean option” with an unclear demarcation line. Full division, full state border, neutral and demilitarized status of the remaining territory of Ukraine.

To do this, you will need to defeat the million-strong Ukrainian Armed Forces. Do you need it?

[carpenter]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

To do this, you will need to defeat the million-strong Ukrainian Armed Forces. Do you need it?

It is necessary, the capitulation of Ukraine, then non-aligned status and the army of Ukraine with restrictions, as with Germany under the Versailles Peace Treaty of June 28, 1919...

[Revolver]

Quote: carpenter

capitulation of Ukraine

What if Zelensky doesn’t come to the surrender? But on the contrary, will he go to London and there announce a “government in exile” and “continuation of the struggle until the complete restoration of sovereignty and territorial integrity”? The Poles fled from the Germans through Romania to London in 1939, and the “Government in Exile” sat there until the end of the 1980s. It would be nice if he just sat there, otherwise he coordinated the Home Army’s attacks on the rear of the Red Army, and raised an uprising in Warsaw, which ended in the destruction of the city and the extermination of the civilian population.

Quote: carpenter

then non-aligned status and the Ukrainian army with restrictions

If they formally capitulate, then none of the above is necessary. Give the most Bandera-like Galicia to the Poles, let them remember the Volyn massacre. Lukashenko seems to be laying claim to Volyn. Well, there is Transcarpathia for the Hungarians, Bukovina for the Romanians. And everything else should be reunited with Russia. And if they don’t formally capitulate, do exactly the same.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Do you need it?

It’s clear that YOU definitely don’t need it.

[Repellent]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

To do this you will need to defeat...

..or spread out... Continue?

[Si1vernn]

How many people on both sides still have to die? I see that you, too, are not striving to bring victory closer on the battlefield. Everything looks easy from the sofa.

[NG inform]

Plus the same for Poland and Germany. And the Baltic countries and Finland are no longer needed.

[rotmistr60]

Ukraine may face the same scenario that led to the emergence of North and South Korea.

Indeed, proposals for a “Korean option” have begun to be heard too often in the West. At the same time, Kyiv is reassured by the fact that they will provide greater financial and economic assistance for restoration and progress towards a “bright future.” With this outcome, Russia will receive an aggressive fragment of a country with a thriving Bandera movement, armed by the West with modern weapons and constant armed provocations. Does our country need this? Of course not.

[Alexey Lantukh]

With this outcome, Russia will receive an aggressive fragment of a country with a thriving Bandera movement, armed by the West with modern weapons and constant armed provocations.

It is clear that a truce is not for us, but what to do!!! There are not enough forces, soldiers and equipment. My blue dream: Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Zaporozhye, Kharkov plus what already exists. In this case, Ukraine will be too small to swell.

[Alexander Naydenov]

lies! All the West needs is to split Ukraine and save the Bendery nursery! because they are losing the war with Russia and therefore they need negotiations! only up to the border with Poland and Romania, this Bendery hotbed must be cleared, otherwise the war against Russia will never end!!

[Vladimir M]

The “Korean option” is a loss for Russia. The “Bandera regime” will be preserved with big problems for us in the near future, which is what the West needs.

[NG inform]

In reality, few people understand, but the Korean version is when the United States decides for the locals what to do.
And not that some fragments are preserved and all that.
But only the United States is completely satisfied with the current situation. We need to prepare for the fact that everyone who helped in the existence of Ukraine and did not actively repent must be expelled from the territory of Rus'.

[Mikhail Dadeko]

It’s still too early to share the “skin” of an unkilled bear, but regime change in Ukraine should be the main goal of the Northern Military District, with the new government it will be easier to divide or share!

[carpenter]

Quote: Mikhail Dadeko

regime change in Ukraine should be the main goal of the North Military District, with the new government it will be easier to divide or share!

Algebra - “rearranging the terms does not change the sum.”
Ukraine is already on its 6th president (or in charge) and nothing has changed and whoever is installed as president, nothing will change there.
Or can he remember what happened in 1918? The UPR was created, Mikhail Grushevsky became the ruler, then Skoropadsky, who was replaced by Petlyura and, as a result, “kyrdyk” and loss of territory.
Now it’s the same scenario, exactly the same, it won’t be better (well, unless it’s a colony).

[Tikhonov_Alexander]

The outskirts, naturally, need to be finished off, and the western territories, which the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians are coveting, must be turned into dust.

[Romanenko]

El Pais calls the situation at the front stagnation, the result of which could be the division of Ukraine

For some reason, all the “partners” dream of dividing the ruins. And they mumble the same thing, section section section section... They hope that by reading this mantra they will achieve their own version of the world order.
No partition is needed, it should come back in its entirety!

[French messenger]

Well, it’s obvious that they are looking for loopholes to bring NATO troops into Ukraine.
They offer the Korean version to Russia. What we don’t know in return is that bargaining is going on under the carpet.
But the situation is not very good for us - we will not be able to go against the Western economy for a long time without social upheaval. But there is no strength to quickly resolve the issue.

[Uprun]

"...and international pressure can lead to a cessation of hostilities with territorial division."
Yeah, there’s nothing to put pressure on Russia anymore; the next package isn’t being filled in any way. And the territorial division is a topic, take away Westernism.

[Bayun]

We woke up in the morning:
Lo and behold! Border along the Dnieper.

A very likely option...

[Pavel73]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

To do this, you will need to defeat the million-strong Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Not at all. At one time, nothing like this was needed to divide the USSR.

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

Quote from Egeni

And what if Polish troops enter in full force?

... here's a woodpecker, the Spaniards are already deciding for the Poles... well, well, as they enter, so they will leave... if they can. I still don’t understand whether we need Lvov... Maybe just “to the heap” to annoy the Poles or stop right in Warsaw...

“If Putin is not going to restore order in the Privislensky region, then why is he needed?” (C) -how, or what? :)