German press: in Russia, MT-LB armored personnel carriers are equipped with weapons used to combat submarines

The Russian army allegedly uses naval weapons for military operations on land. It is believed that the Russian Armed Forces will use this unusual equipment during a special operation in Ukraine.

This was reported in the German press with reference to publications by Internet users.

The German press claims that the Russian military is allegedly forced to use this equipment due to an acute shortage of weapons and ammunition.

German journalists write that in Russia they are installing marine equipment on amphibious armored personnel carriers MT-LB weapon, used to combat submarines. We are talking about the RBU-6000 rocket launcher, which was used on Soviet warships against enemy submarines. Our sailors hit them with depth charges. This development appeared in the USSR in the 60s of the last century.

For other “moto leagues” the Russian military established, according to the German press, another no less than “historical"and unusual weapons. In particular, German journalists talk about MT-LBs equipped with the Ogon shipborne complex and the 25M-2 universal 3-mm automatic twin gun. The German author called the resulting technology as a result of such “crossing” “Frankenstein machines.”

He rates their fighting qualities extremely low. According to a German media representative, they have a short range and low accuracy. In addition, this weapon requires a long reload. Apparently fighting qualities tanks Leopard 1, produced about 60 years ago and transferred to Ukraine, are valued higher in Germany...

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[Nexcom]

This is an extremely bearded photo (second).

[marchcat]

For their equipment, judging by the fact that they are fighting on it, this is more than enough

[alexoff]

The author apparently doesn’t know how to add photos from a cart, but this was not shown in the Russian press

[Alexey RA]

But when they discussed the article about the MLRS “Fire” based on the MTLB, they joked in the comments that the next shushmotolyga would be with the RBU-6000.
Nakarkal, Russian shaman! ©

[bayard]

Quote: Alexey RA

But when they discussed the article about the MLRS “Fire” based on the MTLB, they joked in the comments that the next shushmotolyga would be with the RBU-6000.
Nakarkal, Russian shaman!

This is apparently a customization for the Marines from the Navy. The richer they are, the more they make us happy.
And this is correct - everything that can shoot must shoot. The main thing is that there is enough ammunition.

[Andriuha077]

Full version, liked it, patriotic, warm tube galoshes:
- Are you sure it’s for the monument at the military unit?
- Yeah

[Alex20042004]

New is long forgotten Old!!!

[seregatara1969]

does mtlb float? why not a ship? This means it can carry naval weapons! We haven’t yet blown up your support forces with tanks with naval anti-submarine mines! Round mines from the hill roll far and fast!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alex20042004

New is long forgotten Old!!!

And we even know that old one: "Matilda Projector, Hedgehog, No. 1 Mark I."

At the stern of “Aunt Moti” there are seven barrels for rocket bombs from the Hedgehog RBU.

[faridg7]

Well, the guys and the DShK put them on motoligas and ship twin guns, there are shots of a home-made machine for KPVT, it turned out to be a fucking unit - the wheeled French tank could be disassembled like two fingers on the asphalt. If you have it in your arsenals, why not use it?

[alexmach]

If you have it in your arsenals, why not use it?

So what is “this”? RBU? in a motorcycle league? And after that laugh at the Ukrainian shushpanzers?

[faridg7]

Alexander, maybe you don’t know, the standard armament of the MTLB is a 7,62 caliber machine gun mounted in the turret. A twin DShK installed on the MTLB base, even from 43, increases the firepower of a good all-terrain vehicle by an order of magnitude. Since motorcycles are stored at storage bases like dirt, why not put them into service, on their basis you can create many powerful firing points, mobile and quite powerful. In the arsenals there are mountains of various types of weapons, some old (in the sense of generations), but never taken out of the factory packaging. I think the Bandera brat will not complain about the fact that it was not cut from a modern KORD with a caliber of 12,7, but was sent to Bandera from a DShK produced in the early forties. In the same way, I don’t see any particular reason to worry that a ship’s multiple rocket launcher will be mounted on a tracked chassis. Or will you order us to wait until Mrs. Nabiullina and Silanov allow us to expand the production of new modern equipment? This won’t happen - they will die, but they will not allow the country to develop

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: faridg7

Well, the guys and dshk mounted motor-leagues and ship-mounted twin guns, there is footage of a home-made machine for KPVT

Yes, I don’t understand either - why be shy? In fact, the MT-LB is actually a modular platform: remove the cannon - install the anti-tank gun, remove the anti-tank gun - install the bomb launcher.
By the way, this is not always handicraft! I remember that in Soviet times there was a factory version of a motor league with a ZUshka installed on it

[faridg7]

Yes, they tried to do a lot of things on the basis of motor leagues in Soviet times. They set up mortars, made air defense systems, command posts, workshops, and so on and so forth, it’s a pity that many of the vehicles remained in single copies. Generals most often prepare for the past war, especially if they did not participate in it

[Thrifty]

They used everything on matalyga, in some republics even launchers for nurses during local wars. And don’t try to install only guns of 152mm caliber and higher. And it’s all about the prostate and the reliability of mtlbshek.

[Polyssenator]

Simplicity, not prostate. “I’m telling you this as a urologist!”

[Egor Adashev]

Since the time of Afghanistan, warriors have installed ZU-23 motorized trucks or Ural trucks; in Syria, militants have installed large-caliber machine guns on pickup trucks... I think this clearly indicates the need for guntracks in units...

[alexoff]

As I understand it, in some brigade of Marines there are gloomy geniuses who suggest that the sailors attach to their motorized weapons what they were well familiar with in naval affairs

[faridg7]

Yes, they don’t offer it, but they do it, at Dalzavod, for the 155th brigade, we installed twin naval guns on motorcycle leagues (20mm, it seems), and near Kleshcheevka they operate motorcycle leagues with twin ship-mounted DShKs. The machines work normally

[faridg7]

A classmate, it seems, even installed an 82mm mortar on a moto-leg, they cut out the roof in the troop compartment, strengthened the bottom, but whether they finished it or not, I don’t know, they covered the repair base with French missiles, fortunately no one was hurt, I should have asked in case what happened it turned out like a mortar

[Aviator_]

twin ship guns (20mm I think)

The 2M-3 has a caliber of 25 mm, exotic in modern times. There are a lot of shells and guns too. Why not put it to good use?

[Escariot]

Quote: Aviator_

twin ship guns (20mm I think)

The 2M-3 has a caliber of 25 mm, exotic in modern times. There are a lot of shells and guns too. Why not put it to good use?

I wonder what year the shells for these guns were made?

[faridg7]

What difference does it make if a shell from this gun lands on a pickup truck or a light armored car? It won’t seem like much even if the shell doesn’t explode, and Soviet-made ammunition was of good quality; in the early 90s there was experience using ammunition packaged in 1953, Yes, there were delays during shooting, but infrequent. But just recently, fresh cartridges from the Barnaul plant came into my hands, so from a pack of 20 pieces, only 8 pieces were fired the first time, and when the primer was re-punctured, another 5 cartridges fired. So rare cartridges often behave well

[cast iron]

Are you probably from the sect of lovers of 50-year-old shells from storage? Do you think they are like wine - they only get better with age?

[faridg7]

I’m not a fan of rare ammunition, I just like to have ammunition on hand in sufficient quantities. And I was also taught that the norm for supplying ammunition for units conducting combat operations is one request for combat support from the unit commander. And then I watched how, in response to Prigozhin’s appeals, General Sobolev was talking about the standards for supplying units of the Defense Ministry

[alexoff]

I hope they haven’t started welding the anti-ship missiles yet?

[Alexey RA]

Quote from alexoff

I hope they haven’t started welding the anti-ship missiles yet?

Don't suggest!

[Mavrikiy]

German press: in Russia for MT-LB armored personnel carriersinstall weapons used to combat submarines

I'm so sick of "submarines in the steppes of Ukraine" (from a joke I forgot)

[STORM 12]

Can the duet be staged or cut?

[ASM]

I don’t see anything reprehensible in using proven weapons on equipment in a different field of application. Even I, far from being a historian, know that tiger tanks from World War II were equipped with 2 mm anti-aircraft guns.

[Non-fighter]

There was also an “Assault Tiger” with 320 mm mines, also naval mines.

[Escariot]

Quote from A.S.M.

I don’t see anything reprehensible in using proven weapons on equipment in a different field of application. Even I, far from being a historian, know that tiger tanks from World War II were equipped with 2 mm anti-aircraft guns.

Yes, there was no anti-aircraft gun on the Tiger. There was a specially designed weapon based on an anti-aircraft gun.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Both the T-34/85 and KV-85 were equipped with 85-mm anti-aircraft guns, and the Pershings and Jacksons were equipped with 90-mm anti-aircraft guns. But there is one “but” - in all cases they were very carefully redesigned for installation on a tank. In fact, these were new, specially manufactured guns based on anti-aircraft guns. No one tried to shove a finished anti-aircraft gun into a tank using the collective farm method.

[kill the fascist]

If it works, then why not? And we don’t care what the Germans or other Chukhons think about it. The main thing is the result. 17000 zhmur for September is a very good result.

[Escariot]

Quote: kill the fascist

If it works, then why not? And we don’t care what the Germans or other Chukhons think about it. The main thing is the result. 17000 zhmur for September is a very good result.

Yes, in principle, checkers are also good at chopping off heads. We'll probably see him in the troops soon.
Units must be armed with standard weapons, not homemade ones from Kulibin. What, we don’t have enough TOS-1 or Gradov for a fire raid and are trying to use unarmored KamAZ trucks with a depth charge launcher three kilometers from the line of combat contact?

[kill the fascist]

With sabers (checkers) and a combat hopak, this is for your own.

[Sochi]

The regular ones are not available everywhere, because the enemy also shoots and not from a slingshot. Equipment breaks down, dies... we need to give something to the units. The warehouses are full of all kinds of equipment, weapons, and ammunition. How much longer should I store all this? For certain purposes, all this is quite suitable and effective. The old, but quite reliable and high-quality weapon performs its functions.

[Escariot]

Quote: Sochi

The regular ones are not available everywhere, because the enemy also shoots and not from a slingshot. Equipment breaks down, dies... we need to give something to the units. The warehouses are full of all kinds of equipment, weapons, and ammunition. How much longer should I store all this? For certain purposes, all this is quite suitable and effective. The old, but quite reliable and high-quality weapon performs its functions.

I.e. do you want to say that the “bottomless warehouses” of the USSR began to show the bottom and the Grad rocket launchers (or missiles for them) are no longer enough to properly support the army?
For what "specific purposes" is it effective? This bomb launcher is effective for attacks on submarines, but they were not brought to the steppes of Ukraine. This means it will be used as an ersatz-RZSO. But this “RZSO” is orders of magnitude inferior in efficiency to the standard Grad (I’m not talking about some new equipment in the army, of which we remember 80%, but about the old Grad, developed in 1963). And instead of firing at the enemy from a 10-15 kilometer distance, our artillerymen will approach 3-4 kilometers to the line of combat contact. Well, losses among artillerymen will also increase because of this.

[cast iron]

Well, you need to fight against them. In a motorcycle league against an armored personnel carrier with a thermal imager. Forward and with a song, one way!

[tralflot1832]

At miracle shipyards in seaport cities in Russia, all sorts of miracles were stored in special storage facilities. At the Murmansk miracle shipyard, the director howled like a wolf, take everything from the storage facility, I can’t even hand it over for metal. From above: We won’t take it, but if you hand it over for metal, we’ll put you in prison. How this issue has not been resolved I know...But nothing looks like that.

They wanted to make “battleships” from fishing trawlers in the USSR, if suddenly necessary.

[Alexey RA]

In the North there is everything - even RBU-6000 in coastal version.

[opposite28]

Why is the steppe not the sea?! Another confirmation that the MT-LB, despite its age, does not lose its versatility and ease of use, not to mention the reliability proven by years of combat experience with the ability to overcome water obstacles using weapons used in the Navy. No other army in the world could construct such a platform except the domestic one. The German media write about their vaunted Leopard less restrainedly than about the domestic MT-LB, not without a certain hint of envy

[guest]

Quote: oppozite28

Why is the steppe not the sea?!

And a submarine in the steppes of Ukraine?

[bone1]

Only an idiot can come up with the idea that RBUs ​​are used on land

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Bone1

Only an idiot can come up with the idea that RBUs ​​are used on land

(heavy sigh) only the book of the great Russian writer Dostoevsky does not know that use as an MLRS was a standard function of the RBU

[kakvastam]

RBUs are applied on land

The mortar-concrete unit is a completely dry thing...

[Vladimir Mikhalev]

In general, I often read foreign press. Lately, of course, not so periodically, but I read. So there is a wave coming where they are looking for our exhaustion. And any such clue is grabbed like a straw. They will finish with us, they will take on China. Let them continue to dream.

[Hiller]

MT-LB is a chic pepelats. Unpretentious, repairs are limited, excellent cross-country ability.

They didn’t install anything on it. Here, for example, is the 2S9 "Vasilyok". And put the press of the descendants of the Nazis and their hangers-on on the globe.

[cast iron]

Another storyteller about “knee repairs”.

[decimalegio]

This comparison doesn't seem fair to me. Leopard 1 is old but beautiful, MTLB is beautiful, but with this thing on his back, this old warrior feels his dignity is slipping away.

[storm]

The same RBU would look more natural not on the MT-Lb, but on patrol ships of Project 22160, where the only weapons are a 76mm gun and a pair of heavy machine guns...

[Escariot]

Quote: assault

The same RBU would look more natural not on the MT-Lb, but on patrol ships of Project 22160, where the only weapons are a 76mm gun and a pair of heavy machine guns...

Will he shoot at random from this fool? They've been promising sonar for about 5 years now, but things are still there.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: assault

The same RBU would look more natural not on the MT-Lb, but on patrol ships of Project 22160, where the only weapons are a 76mm gun and a pair of heavy machine guns...

22160 has one problem - installing any of the traditional naval weapons on them requires a large amount of hull work.
In the same RBU-6000, the launcher is just the tip of the iceberg. Below deck there is a control station, a magazine and a charging facility.

Only a clinical optimist can hope to manually load the launcher complex with 113-kilogram bombs on a ship at sea.

[Hitmaster]

Why not? With the help of the land version of the RBU-6000, it is quite possible to guard crossings, strategically important bridges, and prevent landings. Unfortunately, I don’t remember the range of use of the RBU-6000, but the project has a right to exist. As a last resort, defense engineers can “market” with ammunition and a launcher, increase the range, and create a purely land version of the bomb launcher)))

[cast iron]

Like us, sofa designers, everything is simple. It turns out that you just need to “simply market” with ammunition in order to significantly increase the firing range. Just like two and two :)

[Lynx2000]

German journalists write that in Russia, naval weapons used to combat submarines are installed on MT-LB amphibious armored personnel carriers. We are talking about the RBU-6000 rocket launcher

The weight of the installation (RBU-6000) according to technical characteristics is 3500 kg.
RSL-60 bomb weight - 113,6 kg
The mass of the 90R rocket is 112,3 kg.
There is also a rocket...
Firing range of the RGB-60 bomb is max. distance - 5230 m. Min. distance - 210 m.

The maximum load capacity of the MT-LB, like the GAZ-53, is 3500 kg.
It turns out that the installation with 12 loaded 90R PU guide missiles will weigh approximately 4850 kg. Will the track rollers sit on the stops, will the torsion shafts be loaded (may burst) and the “lumin” of the track rollers? A motorcycle league will not drive slowly on smooth, soft dirt...

[cast iron]

Well, at least someone, without shouting “hurray,” thought that installing a naval bomb launcher, heavy as a bridge, on a motorcycle league is clinical idiocy.

[Dedok]

Quote: Thrifty

And that's all in the prostate and reliability of mtlbshek.

and I thought...that there would be a conversation about glass x.

[wlkw]

RBU looks original and wild on a motorcycle league.... On the other hand, it is better to use it somehow than simply dispose of it.
In principle, a conventional 83 mm mortar has a range of about 3 km, a RBU - 4-5 km, but is disproportionately more powerful.
There seems to be only one fundamental drawback in everything - the weight. As a result, reloading is possible only in the “conditional rear”. Hence the low rate of fire per day. Don't "get bullied."
But there is a plus, there are explosives in the bomb, like in three 152 mm OFS.
So it’s a question of proper use.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Well, why is it strange? Naturally, we need weapons against submarines... after all, we are fighting in the steppes of Ukraine!

[Constantine N]

Somehow the submarines are not visible, but all are there. why not use