The Russian TG channel claims that Ukraine hit the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet with French Scalp-EG missiles

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The Russian TG channel claims that Ukraine hit the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet with French Scalp-EG missiles

Missile attack on the Black Sea headquarters fleet was carried out not by British Storm Shadow cruise missiles, but by French Scalp-EG. This was reported by the Mash TG channel.

Ukrainian armed forces hit the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet with French Scalp-EG air-launched cruise missiles. The headquarters building in Sevastopol was hit by two missiles, and if one of them penetrated the ceiling and exploded, the second did not work and flew towards the theater, where it remained until the sappers arrived. Due to a possible detonation of the rocket, residents of nearby houses were evacuated. Later, the rocket was taken to the test site and disposed of.



Although the French Scalp-EG and the British Storm Shadow are actually the same missile, produced for different customers, there are differences, and very important ones. While the British version of the missile has one warhead, the French version has two. The first is cumulative, it is designed to penetrate fortifications, and the second is high-explosive fragmentation, it is triggered after the missile penetrates the shelter.

It is assumed that it was this feature that influenced the choice of the French missile to strike Sevastopol. In Kyiv, they planned in advance to cause as much destruction as possible. And if the second rocket had fired, this would have happened.

It was previously reported that France supplied Ukraine with at least 50 Scalp-EG cruise missiles, but this is official. It’s difficult to say how many of them are actually in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The air-launched cruise missile SCALP-EG (Systeme de Croisiere conventionnel Autonome a Longue portee Precis – Emploi General purpose, “multi-purpose high-precision long-range cruise missile with autonomous guidance”) has a range of 250 km. To use it, the Air Force of the Ukrainian Armed Forces did not have to remake the Su-24 front-line bombers capable of carrying the British Storm Shadow, the missile release systems are similar.
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    1. +4
      25 September 2023 18: 04
      So they will beat us up, out of anger, forcing us to negotiate, like the Minsk agreements.. Hold on Russia and don’t be fooled by these Danaans giving gifts again.. We went through all this in the 90s, We won’t stand the second one! No negotiations, only surrender
      ANSWER immediately HARD!!! And don’t care about the howling in their media. We all have no other way out!
      1. +4
        25 September 2023 18: 06
        Already in the West they described the previous attack on Sevastopol, when the BDK and diesel-electric submarines were damaged.
        1. -4
          25 September 2023 18: 17
          Quote from Orange Bigg
          Already in the West they described the previous attack on Sevastopol

          We have every right to describe as Khokhloma any air target belonging to NATO over the Black Sea... And drones, no matter whose they are, in any angle and form...
          And there’s no point in poking at international law here.
          1. +8
            25 September 2023 18: 30
            We have the right, but we do not have the opportunity... to cope with a possible response. It's a two-way street.
      2. -6
        25 September 2023 18: 12
        Quote: Insait
        ANSWER immediately HARD!!! And don’t care about the howling in their media. We all have no other way out!

        until the UAVs arrive in London, Paris and Berlin, they will continue to beat us
        1. -3
          25 September 2023 18: 19
          Quote from yuri bakster
          Quote: Insait
          ANSWER immediately HARD!!! And don’t care about the howling in their media. We all have no other way out!

          until the UAVs arrive in London, Paris and Berlin, they will continue to beat us

          And if they arrive, they will beat you much harder.
          1. 0
            25 September 2023 18: 37
            Quote from: Barmaglot_07
            Quote from yuri bakster
            Quote: Insait
            ANSWER immediately HARD!!! And don’t care about the howling in their media. We all have no other way out!

            until the UAVs arrive in London, Paris and Berlin, they will continue to beat us

            And if they arrive, they will beat you much harder.

            and then they started to start receiving from NATO members and not respond....
            1. +3
              25 September 2023 18: 49
              Quote from yuri bakster
              and then they started to start receiving from NATO members and not respond....

              Well, it’s as if the North Military District started for the sake of Lebensraum, fortress “Russia”, autarky, imperial greatness, and so on and so forth. Receiving from NATO was not included in the plans.
            2. +4
              25 September 2023 19: 46
              Quote from yuri bakster
              and then they started to start receiving from NATO members and not respond....

              There was hope that billions of dollars were not just shoved into the pockets of Western lobbyists, that the EU and NATO would split and no one would help Ukraine, but would stupidly watch as the Russian Federation took Ukraine for itself. But it didn’t work out, the Crimean scenario didn’t work. And of course, no one in the leadership of the Russian Federation seriously intended to fight with NATO, this was always clear, judging by how, where and on what money from rearmament programs was spent. Hitting NATO targets or territory will give NATO a reason to fully enter the war, having broad support within its countries. Also, as a result of this development of events, countries such as India, Brazil, and most likely including the PRC, will freeze all relations with the Russian Federation. So I very much doubt that the Russian Armed Forces will strike at NATO because of arms supplies.
          2. -1
            26 September 2023 14: 16
            No, they'll shit themselves right away... and shut up!
      3. +4
        25 September 2023 18: 13
        ANSWER immediately HARD!!! And don’t care about the howling in their media. We all have no other way out!

        On September 25, 2023, the Ukrainian Armed Forces reported the destruction of the seaport in Odessa as a result of explosions... The marine terminal in Odessa was virtually destroyed after a series of night explosions, the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported. A fire occurred in a nearby hotel (in which Ukrainian Armed Forces officers and foreign mercenaries lived), and a granary and warehouses were damaged. In Ukraine, they claim that the Odessa region was attacked by drones and supersonic missiles.
      4. -5
        25 September 2023 18: 13
        And in advance? No way?. The worst thing is that we are in the role of catching up, and are forced to fight..., ugh, "special operations" against the united country and society on the basis of Russophobia. That is, the actions of groups deep behind enemy lines are completely bad.
        1. +2
          25 September 2023 20: 14
          "What about proactiveness? No way?."
          And we are not looking for easy ways. This is our doctrine. I've been into it for a long time. And I stopped asking stupid questions...
      5. +11
        25 September 2023 18: 20
        Quote: Insait
        So they will beat us up, out of anger, forcing us to negotiate, like the Minsk agreements.. Hold on Russia and don’t be fooled by these Danaans giving gifts again.. We went through all this in the 90s, We won’t stand the second one! No negotiations, only surrender
        ANSWER immediately HARD!!! And don’t care about the howling in their media. We all have no other way out!

        Vitalya good evening? Why are you making noise? You understand that we are not talking about how much territory the Russian Federation will lose, but how much Ukraine will retain. Then why spread panic?
      6. +1
        25 September 2023 18: 31
        Without an offensive, all these shelling will continue. In a year or a year and a half, the fleet can be lost; supplies of the Kyrgyz Republic to Ukraine will only increase. Western Crimea, it seems, is practically not covered.
        And frigates/destroyers (the most suitable, or rather accessible for Russian shipbuilding, Chinese destroyer Type 051C) are URGENTLY needed to provide ZONEAL air defense/missile defense.
        Both Crimea and the fleet.
        1. +7
          25 September 2023 18: 41
          Quote: knn54
          Without an offensive, all these shellings will continue. In a year or a year and a half, the fleet can be lost; supplies of the Kyrgyz Republic to Ukraine will only increase.

          Yes, it is possible.
          Quote: knn54
          And frigates/destroyers (the most suitable, or rather accessible for Russian shipbuilding, Chinese destroyer Type 051C) are URGENTLY needed to provide ZONEAL air defense/missile defense.
          Both Crimea and the fleet.

          Not needed at all. Ground air defense will give 100 points ahead of the one installed on ships - in terms of protecting ground targets, of course.
      7. -1
        25 September 2023 20: 20
        Quote: Insait
        So they will beat us up, out of anger, forcing us to negotiate, like the Minsk agreements.. Hold on Russia and don’t be fooled by these Danaans giving gifts again.. We went through all this in the 90s, We won’t stand the second one! No negotiations, only surrender
        ANSWER immediately HARD!!! And don’t care about the howling in their media. We all have no other way out!

        Don’t expect a tough answer, there are toys between ours and theirs. Today I heard it on TV on Channel One. that they hit with lightweight missiles, otherwise they would have demolished both wings. The hints come from there, our hints too, that’s who is re-hinting whom!
    2. 0
      25 September 2023 18: 11
      Layered air defense must be installed, from air defense drones and radars. I don’t believe that it was impossible to shoot down, but rather there were anti-radar missiles again. Now it was necessary to restore all the air defense schools, the war is on and I think this race will not end.
      In order for missiles to make mistakes, you need to wear camouflage nets. These missiles have these surfaces embedded in them, and if you change the camouflage networks, then such missiles will not reach
      It is their own fault that reconnaissance drones are flying; they need to be shot down so that they do not fly over combat zones at all, and in the area of ​​400 km from the border. we just need to warn you that we will shoot down
      In general, it’s time to think about how to jam American GPS
      1. +2
        25 September 2023 20: 09
        Quote from Alexwar
        I don’t believe that it was impossible to shoot down, but rather there were anti-radar missiles again.

        Why it’s not possible, it’s possible, who forbids it, it’s just not easy, since these Scalps have a very low EPR, several times smaller than a similar size KR with a round, iron body. This greatly affects the distance and response of the interception. If they also load air defense/missile defense with all sorts of drones, or decoys, or try to hit the radar with the same HARMS, then the probability is even lower.
        Quote from Alexwar
        In order for missiles to make mistakes, you need to wear camouflage nets. These missiles have these surfaces embedded in them, and if you change the camouflage networks, then such missiles will not reach

        So the rocket is stupid, it won’t understand that they want to deceive it and will hit the coordinates. It will only help to hide the building there.
        Quote from Alexwar
        It is their own fault that reconnaissance drones are flying; they need to be shot down so that they do not fly over combat zones at all, and in the area of ​​400 km from the border. we just need to warn you that we will shoot down

        What do reconnaissance drones have to do with it? They play a role if a ship is hit on the high seas; for stationary purposes, other sources of information are needed, and this is why the carelessness of the Black Sea Fleet command is striking, don’t they watch TV and don’t know that the war has been going on for a long time and can come? I believe the Ukrainian Armed Forces knew the address of the Black Sea Fleet command, either by Google or from memory. The question is different, they simply would not have fired at the building with scarce missiles, but would have waited for the moment when the officers would gather there. And it’s just enchanting idiocy to use this building for its intended purpose, there are no deep underground bunkers for this or what? Or is it not particularly comfortable there and you can’t see the sea from the balcony? A
    3. +6
      25 September 2023 18: 13
      These are all details, but the essence does not change - the air defense is not coping with its responsibilities. Just as it doesn’t make much difference where Admiral Viktor Sokolov was, at the Black Sea Fleet headquarters or at the Black Sea Fleet ZCP - he died due to leaky air defense! But with the correct organization of air defense, it would be possible to prevent an attack even before the launch of missiles, having seen the takeoff of Ukrainian SU-24s from the A-35 / A-50 radars, in addition, it was possible to deploy low-altitude detectors and low-altitude detection towers, and finally position the Radars on heights from which the water area is visible!
      1. +3
        25 September 2023 18: 50
        Quote from: Peter1First
        just as it doesn’t make much difference where Admiral Viktor Sokolov was, at the Black Sea Fleet headquarters or at the Black Sea Fleet ZCP - he died due to leaky air defense

        Has the obituary already been published?
        1. +2
          25 September 2023 18: 57
          RFsmi - one is missing. the headquarters was badly destroyed
          Ukrosmi - 43 died... including the commander of the Black Sea Fleet. The building is beyond repair...
          we divide everyone in half... somewhere in the middle - the fog of war
          1. +2
            25 September 2023 20: 05
            The broken-down headquarters is an objective fact, with numerous visual confirmations. The death of 34 officers, led by the admiral, is so far only a statement by the command of the special operations forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Zaluzhny, together with Budanov, was buried here together for a couple of months on the basis of the same statements, only from the other side.
      2. +4
        25 September 2023 20: 32
        Quote from: Peter1First
        Viktor Sokolov, at the Black Sea Fleet headquarters or at the Black Sea Fleet ZCP - he died due to leaky air defense!

        Do you have any questions about why the Black Sea Fleet command still hasn’t moved its headquarters far away, at least to an address that can’t be Googled? Does the Black Sea Fleet have no command bunkers? Or is it not so comfortable there and you can’t see the sea from the balcony? Also, Minsk and the submarine had nothing to do at the Black Sea Fleet repair base, but to be repaired in Novorossiysk. After all, this blow was not a surprise. Ukrainians aren’t idiots to shoot at random with scarce missiles? This means they knew that the Black Sea Fleet headquarters building was being used for its intended purpose as if nothing had happened. Or in a special regime, it doesn’t matter, what matters is that they hit the building when the officers were there. And if it turns out that the headquarters was used as before the Northern Military District, at least until the first strikes on Crimea, then there is no need to even look for any gunners and traitors, but give the Darwin Award to the officers themselves. Although judging by their “talents” of the Black Sea Fleet command and, accordingly, the results, the loss is not great, maybe someone more cheerful will come to take their place. Air defense, of course, could be more effective, but these Scalps and similar Storm Shadows, or Taurus are not classic iron and round missile launchers with huge wings, but missile launchers with a very low ESR, several times less than those of round and iron ones. I think the air defense/prosecutors are doing more than is possible. Is there sufficient air cover there, through the same Su-35s from the Kyrgyz Republic and drones?
    4. 0
      25 September 2023 18: 13
      The Russian TG channel claims...

      Are they capable of conducting an examination or are there compelling reasons to declare this?
      Probably, the publication of information from the RF Ministry of Defense does not always appear in a timely manner...Probably, not all information is XNUMX% trustworthy, BUT...it is still an official source.
      * * *
      As for the identity of the missiles - what the hell difference does it make? Russia does not respond to France, or GB, or Germany, or Poland, or Denmark. nor... Moreover, in Russia the interests of business are placed above the state, and there is confirmation of this...
      It's time to change something...
      1. 0
        25 September 2023 18: 20
        Why even discuss this? The source is generally muddy https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mash_(%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82- %D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5). Is anyone responsible for the accuracy of this resource?
      2. +5
        25 September 2023 18: 29
        Quote: ROSS 42

        * * *
        As for the identity of the missiles - what the hell difference does it make? Russia does not respond to France, or GB, or Germany, or Poland, or Denmark. nor... Moreover, in Russia the interests of business are placed above the state, and there is confirmation of this...
        It's time to change something...

        You won’t believe it, but for example, despite the fact that

        In total, the Americans lost 4.100 aircraft and 5.100 helicopters in Vietnam (their data), from August 1964 to January 1973, i.e. approximately 3 LA per day! Approximately 3/4 of this number are combat losses, the rest are LPs. Most of them were destroyed by air defense, a little more than 200 by air defense systems (mainly S-75, since 1972 the S-125 and Strela MANPADS appeared), about 100 more by fighter aircraft + some were destroyed on the ground. Including:
        - 31 B-52
        - 765 F-4 "Phantom"
        - 243 F-100 "Super Saber"
        - 382 F-105 "Thunderchif" (about half of all produced aircraft of this type)
        - 373 A-4 Skyhawk
        - 106 A-7 "Corsair"
        - 140 F-8 "Crusader"
        - 256 A-1 "Skyrader"
        - 84 OV-10 Bronco
        - 3.197 UH-1 "Huey"
        - 277 AN-1 "Cobra"
        - 842 ON-6 "Keyus"
        - 132 CH-47 "Chinook"

        The US did not bomb Vladivostok or Arkhangelsk.
        1. +2
          25 September 2023 18: 49
          The USSR also lost a lot of equipment in Afghanistan and also did not burn California, but recall the situation when the United States supplied missiles and artillery, with the help of which they fired at Soviet cities and bases on the territory of the USSR.
          Why do you persistently draw analogies between wars on Russian territory and conflicts in third countries? Or do you think that if a conflict breaks out in French Africa, Russia should supply its missile defense systems to the blacks, who will hammer at Marseille, Nice and Montpellier, and we will throw up our hands - we are not a party to the conflict.
          1. -1
            25 September 2023 20: 40
            Quote: barbiturate
            When would the United States supply missiles and artillery with which they would fire at Soviet cities and bases on the territory of the USSR.

            How did Stalin respond for the bombing of the Sukhaya River, the death of an unknown number of military personnel and 7 burned aircraft??
            1. -3
              26 September 2023 04: 15
              For this isolated incident, Stalin received an apology from the United States and an offer to compensate for material damage and, of course, punish all those responsible. To whom else did the United States apologize, remember? In addition, Stalin formed the 64th Air Corps and it took part in the Korean War. In addition, instead of the old American piston ones!! fighters, Mig 15s were deployed and duty was introduced, which did not even exist.
              In the Cold War, there were often isolated clashes and incidents, but it was not a war on the territory of nuclear powers and a reason for war.
              If it’s not your opinion, then name the date of the NEXT attack on the same airfield near the Sukhaya River, not to mention the attacks on Soviet Far Eastern settlements and cities?
          2. +1
            25 September 2023 22: 02
            Quote: barbiturate
            The USSR also lost a lot of equipment in Afghanistan and also did not burn California, but recall the situation when the United States supplied missiles and artillery, with the help of which they fired at Soviet cities and bases on the territory of the USSR.
            Why do you persistently draw analogies between wars on Russian territory and conflicts in third countries? Or do you think that if a conflict breaks out in French Africa, Russia should supply its missile defense systems to the blacks, who will hammer at Marseille, Nice and Montpellier, and we will throw up our hands - we are not a party to the conflict.

            This is precisely why the United States is giving weapons to Ukraine on parole that they will not be used against the internationally recognized territory of the Russian Federation. Well, the fact that Russia unilaterally declared something there as its territory is of no concern to the United States.
            1. 0
              26 September 2023 05: 48
              Don’t be a child, now they don’t even give you money on your word of honor, but the fact that Western countries haven’t recognized something there shouldn’t worry Russia. The United States provides weapons for attacks on Russian territories and this is a fact, the war is being waged on Russian territory and against Russia, and not in a third country or another banana republic and this is also a fact.
              It’s the same as staging a coup in Mexico, and then pumping up the Mexicans with weapons and missiles to attack California or Arizona - you never know what the amers came up with - this is Mexican territory, load up another Iskander in San Francisco
        2. 0
          25 September 2023 18: 57
          Did the USA fire at Vietnam? If so, I’m sure 98% of the United States would hit Vietnam with a nuclear weapon! They would burn everything around! you are confusing when they install tactical missiles, this is already a borderline!
          1. +1
            25 September 2023 19: 29
            Quote: opuonmed
            Did the USA fire at Vietnam? If so, I’m sure 98% of the United States would hit Vietnam with a nuclear weapon! They would burn everything around! you are confusing when they install tactical missiles, this is already a borderline!

            Well, what can we do if the US sends troops to Mexico?
            1. -2
              25 September 2023 20: 36
              Well, they won’t allow this, and if they do, whoever sends weapons will hit them, as they admit to the participants in the conflict, and they understand this perfectly well! Cuba almost started a nuclear war! They understand perfectly well that enemies must be kept away from them! and to play dirty tricks on enemies and pit their heads against each other! (I know why the USSR sent missiles to Cuba)
          2. +4
            25 September 2023 20: 39
            Quote: opuonmed
            Did the USA fire at Vietnam?

            You simply forget that Crimea is considered Russian, Russian territory, only and exclusively in Russia. This is why the analogy is lame. On the territory of the Russian Federation within the borders before 2014, the Ukrainian Armed Forces fire only their own or Soviet ammunition. So the Americans, outside of America, were completely beaten with all sorts of Soviet weapons.
            1. -1
              25 September 2023 21: 02
              Well, if the Russian Federation considers these lands its own, then in theory it should protect it as its own with all the consequences! there is no other option! I understand that the United States is managing the conflict and not the Russian Federation)
            2. +2
              26 September 2023 06: 13
              It’s not true, Crimea has always been considered the territory of Russia, this has always been and is recognized in the West by a bunch of people and politicians, and Crimea, like Donbass and Odessa and Kharkov and Nikolaev, have always been Russian cities and were never transferred to any independent state, only the Soviets made a mistake , cutting different pieces of the pie to different members of the same family! In 1991, you had to demand everything back if you wanted independence, but then you stupidly gave it all up.
              So it’s stupid to think that with one piece of paper, legally insignificant, Russian territories can be made somehow “Ukrainian”.
          3. -2
            25 September 2023 22: 14
            Quote: opuonmed
            Did the USA fire at Vietnam? If so, I’m sure 98% of the United States would hit Vietnam with a nuclear weapon! They would burn everything around! you are confusing when they install tactical missiles, this is already a borderline!

            And what did the United States hit for arresting its warship and declassifying a bunch of North Korean equipment?
            Fist on the table?
            Everything?
      3. +2
        25 September 2023 18: 45
        business interests are placed above state interests, and there is confirmation of this...
        It's time to change something...
        This is not why the authorities invented so many laws to protect themselves, so that something could change. Now any attempt at disobedience, not to mention an attempt to change something, is severely punished.
        It’s strange that there is still no criminal charge for voting in elections not for food and Putin is equated with extremism, rebellion, and an attempt to overthrow the government.
    5. +4
      25 September 2023 18: 20
      It all comes from the Kremlin’s lack of rigidity, from the fact that we are fighting with an eye on all sorts of Europe. There are also the children of the oligarchs and the loot and mansions, so there will be no answer, a tough answer from this government, otherwise they will suddenly take away their last little bit of money for a rainy day!
    6. -1
      25 September 2023 18: 27
      the clouds are getting bigger and bigger over the Russian Federation, when will they already accept that everything and everyone in the Ukrr needs to be destroyed?
      1. -1
        25 September 2023 18: 35
        There won't be enough resources for everything.
    7. 0
      25 September 2023 18: 34
      It would be better to show those from the command whom the Kievans have already counted among our losses. Or they admitted it if, God forbid... We’re not dealing with a woman, keeping silent under the covers is not a working strategy...
    8. -5
      25 September 2023 18: 45
      And that, of course, the boars want a lot of destruction, ideally to overwhelm us and fuck us. What should I write about this? But about the arrogant seamen who managed to miss the cruiser and are now letting such bad things happen. You need to train, use your brain. What difference does it make what missiles were used, the question is why they couldn’t intercept it? I hope such questions are still asked.
      1. 0
        26 September 2023 07: 25
        So the Kchf was either a fleet or not a fleet. The most razjebay fleet
    9. +1
      25 September 2023 18: 46
      Quote from yuri bakster
      no, then they started their own,

      And you look at the intermediate results (without TV propaganda) and you will understand!
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    11. -6
      25 September 2023 19: 47
      The sooner we use tactical nuclear weapons, the more likely we are to avoid a full-scale nuclear war with the West.
      1. +2
        25 September 2023 20: 03
        Quote: Viktor fm
        The sooner we use tactical nuclear weapons, the more likely we are to avoid a full-scale nuclear war with the West.

        The day you use nuclear weapons, you will receive a complete economic blockade. Including from China.
        1. -1
          25 September 2023 20: 29
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          The day you use nuclear weapons, you will receive a complete economic blockade. Including from China.

          This is in its softest form. In a more severe case - a disarming blow, with the participation of the same China.
          1. 0
            26 September 2023 13: 47
            Quote from: Barmaglot_07
            in its mildest form. In a tougher case - a disarming blow

            It is now fashionable to use phrases like “tactical nuclear weapons”, “disarming strike” - but does this happen? And we were taught that if only the nuclear arsenals of the USA or USSR exploded on OUR territory, people would die out throughout the entire globe and there was no need to send any missiles anywhere... What is a disarming strike - on a bomb on 50 targets? Haha, but Europe and the surrounding countries (the same China, Japan, Alaska) will simply die out to the last person..
        2. -4
          25 September 2023 21: 02
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Viktor fm
          The sooner we use tactical nuclear weapons, the more likely we are to avoid a full-scale nuclear war with the West.

          The day you use nuclear weapons, you will receive a complete economic blockade. Including from China.

          I'll tell you a secret - announcement by China US economic blockade will hit Europe's pockets. It has long been calculated that a ban on transit through the Russian Federation will cause the price of Chinese goods to rise by 60% belay
          Taking into account the fact that Europe has nothing of its own, and China is raking in furious loot from there - which of the three parties (RF/China/EU) will be the most affected, I cannot predict...
          1. 0
            25 September 2023 22: 05
            Quote: your1970
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: Viktor fm
            The sooner we use tactical nuclear weapons, the more likely we are to avoid a full-scale nuclear war with the West.

            The day you use nuclear weapons, you will receive a complete economic blockade. Including from China.

            I'll tell you a secret - announcement by China US economic blockade will hit Europe's pockets. It has long been calculated that a ban on transit through the Russian Federation will cause the price of Chinese goods to rise by 60% belay
            Taking into account the fact that Europe has nothing of its own, and China is raking in furious loot from there - which of the three parties (RF/China/EU) will be the most affected, I cannot predict...

            Counted by whom? Names? Surnames?
            Most exports to Europe go through Suez or the Cape of Good Hope. There are literally interest rates through the Russian Federation.
            1. -1
              26 September 2023 07: 28
              Durik. The main flow goes through Russia.
        3. +4
          25 September 2023 21: 17
          People do not understand the consequences of using nuclear weapons on a non-nuclear country. This will quickly destroy the NPT, and nuclear powers will begin to multiply like mushrooms after rain.
          1. +1
            25 September 2023 22: 11
            Quote from solar
            People do not understand the consequences of using nuclear weapons on a non-nuclear country. This will quickly destroy the NPT, and nuclear powers will begin to multiply like mushrooms after rain.

            And accordingly, in order to prevent this, the existing nuclear powers can sweep away the violator so that those around him will immediately lose all wrong thoughts.
    12. +1
      25 September 2023 20: 08
      Later the rocket was taken to the test site and disposed of.

      They did not dispose of it, but destroyed it!
      In Ozhegov's dictionary. Recycle, -ru, -ruish; -anny; owls and nesov., that. Use (-re-) usefully (by processing, using in some way).
      Gentlemen, journalists, know and love the Russian language!
      How was the rocket usefully used or processed in this case?
    13. 0
      25 September 2023 21: 13
      Although the French Scalp-EG and the British Storm Shadow are actually the same missile, produced for different customers, there are differences, and very important ones. While the British version of the missile has one warhead, the French version has two.

      The author is wrong - Storm Shadow has the same tandem warhead as Scalp-EG.
      The BROACH warhead has a lead charge for ground destruction or bunker penetration, and a variable delay fuze to control the detonation of the main charge.

      The German TAURUS has a variety of combat units - in addition to tandem ones against fortifications, runways and bridges, the Germans have various cluster ones against air defense systems and airfields, as well as against manpower and against armored vehicles.
      This is probably why Kyiv is seeking supplies of missiles from the Germans, while the Germans are first waiting for supplies of cluster missiles from the Americans.
    14. +1
      25 September 2023 21: 15
      Today there was a very peculiar echo of the history of the missile attack on the Black Sea Fleet headquarters.
      Let me clarify a few points that are very important to me. The city of Sevastopol has the status of a city of Federal significance; in addition to the city itself, another 39 settlements belong to this Federal District. Of course, there is also the Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, with direct subordination to Moscow. We read in “...Regulations on the Ministry of Internal Affairs...” - Decree of the President of the Russian Federation, art. 2 - The main tasks of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation are - part 4. “Ensuring the protection of life, health, rights and freedoms of citizens of the Russian Federation, foreign citizens, stateless persons, combating crime, protecting public order and property, ensuring public safety, providing public services in sphere of internal affairs".
      So here it is. I needed to get a service in the field of internal affairs. As expected, I signed up to receive it, today at 12. I arrived at the Administration building located in the city center. Everywhere there are a lot of people/citizens, some traveling on public transport, some waiting at bus stops, some rushing somewhere to go about their business. In general, ordinary urban peaceful people, including the defenseless category - children, old people. And then it turns out that I cannot receive the ordered service in the field of internal affairs - an air raid alert was declared, everyone was evacuated from the building! I begin to crouch and look around in search of the reaction of citizens to this air raid alarm. The question is not a joke, an entire federal government agency has stopped working! But there is no such reaction. It turns out that there was anxiety, but it wasn’t for everyone. I’m not a fool either, I can’t be easily intimidated, I ask the checkpoint duty officer through the street window - “and if I go for an hour now, then walk for another, will they accept me after lunch for violating the established time?” The answer is “who will accept me? Everyone was evacuated.” I ask what should I do? Come back on the next appointment day. I ask - will there be an air raid raid on the next reception day? And maybe they’ll give me a phone number to get information, so that I don’t needlessly drag myself several tens of kilometers away under air raids. An angry answer followed - why am I asking stupid questions here! As I later realized, probably only due to the fact that the Department of Internal Affairs of the city of Federal significance was evacuated (the question is, where?), I was not picked up by white hands and taken to this same Department, but to another room to provide other services in sphere of internal affairs.

      Now seriously!
      How can we understand what is happening?!
      I can assume that the Ministry of Internal Affairs building is one of the enemies' priority targets. But if this has gone so far, then why are the citizens, whose life and health must be protected by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, not notified of this? Why are kindergartens, schools, and shopping centers open as usual? Or are the lives of these ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation less valuable? Or do I not shoot at civilian targets in the Ukrainian Reich? So they shoot even at their own citizens! Why don’t the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs wait out this air raid warning for another hour in a bomb shelter? In order to then again begin to fulfill their very necessary direct job responsibilities - “protecting public order and property, ensuring public safety,” including risking their lives even in peacetime. If there is no bomb shelter, then let the whole team dig anti-aircraft cracks in the yard, set up dugouts for themselves and for serene passers-by. Or at least install fences made of mobile elements to move citizens’ walking paths further away from the building and thereby minimize the likelihood of them receiving shrapnel wounds. Why don’t they disperse the provision of these very public services into inconspicuous buildings in the city? Why don’t they turn to their colleagues in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions for recommendations, who have been living and working under real, bloody air attacks for almost 10 years now? The one who issued the evacuation order, and in fact the suspension of the activities of one of the central bodies of state power in the city of Russian military and labor glory, was he guided by what? The hope that the SVO will end on the next appointment day? Taking care of yourself personally? What's this? Showing indifference to everyone else? Manifestations of stupidity and alarmism? Or a provocation? But I sincerely hope that all my above-mentioned events, of course, the leaders have already organized and strictly monitor their implementation. And we will endure for a week and a month. Victory will be ours, it will not be our first. Especially for the residents of Sevastopol, they haven’t seen anything like this.
      1. -1
        25 September 2023 21: 53
        Well, this is normal. Why are you so angry...
        In the event of an air raid warning based on the results of our exercises at the plant (not Sevastopol), I must arrive at the bomb shelter.
        It’s just not indicated to this day where it is located. With this everyone calmed down hi
        Well, if they didn’t accept you that day, they will accept you another day. The main thing is that we are not in a hurry... This is important!
    15. 0
      25 September 2023 21: 31
      I'm much more interested in another question.
      The peninsula's energy is generated by turbines of a certain organization. They have a service life and maintenance regulations. What will happen when at least one of the turbines is in dire need of repair? And repairs from the manufacturer are absolutely not possible. Because they are standing here categorically illegal.
      This is what (I hope) someone from the authorities is thinking about. Or think about it as usual - when did it all happen?!. love
    16. 0
      25 September 2023 22: 32
      It was previously reported that France supplied Ukraine with at least 50 Scalp-EG cruise missiles, but this is official. It’s difficult to say how many of them are actually in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

      Our intelligence service, to put it mildly, loves everything.
      Most likely, black raincoats summarize, analyze and present information from the media and the Internet as information from valuable agents, the Pentagon, the CIA and Brussels

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