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Results from the Ukrainian portal: Summer demonstrated that the war will not end on Ukraine’s terms in 2024

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Results from the Ukrainian portal: Summer demonstrated that the war will not end on Ukraine’s terms in 2024

The failure of the so-called counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has become so obvious today that it is not hidden even in Ukraine. Unless the head of the Kyiv regime, Vladimir Zelensky, is still talking about grandiose plans and backup strategies. However, the purpose of his statements is clear - to prevent the cessation of Western assistance.


In turn, experts from the Ukrainian military portal Deep State, summing up the results of the summer counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, came to very disappointing conclusions.

As confirmed in the material, the Ukrainian military has not yet succeeded in encircling Bakhmut (Artemovsk). However, the capture of Kleshcheevka and Andreevka still gives a chance to strike towards Gorlovka.



True, the RF Armed Forces do not confirm the complete loss of control over these villages.

At the same time, Ukrainian analysts believe that the assault on Berkhovka was a strategic mistake of the command, as it cost the Ukrainian Armed Forces a very high price. Moreover, Russian troops regained control over Orekhovo-Vasilievka, which is northwest of Artyomovsk.

The situation for the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the Vremevsky salient is no better. As the article says, it was possible to cut it off, but there was no further movement. Moreover, the huge losses of equipment, including Western equipment, had a serious demotivating effect on the Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters in this direction.



Due to mistakes on June 5-7, all offensive actions here were extremely difficult.

- stated in the material.

Finally, according to experts, the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Rabotino area has not yet been crowned with success. Instead of several days, as originally planned, the operation lasted for three months.



At the same time, analysts from Deep State believe that there are still prospects in this area. Indeed, in mid-August, the Russian army allegedly began to retreat and bring reserves into battle.

However, the lost time played into the hands of the Russian Armed Forces, which prepared additional defense lines.


The overall result of the analysis of the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ counter-offensive from the military portal is disappointing for Kyiv.

The war will not end on our (Ukrainian) terms in 2024. We need to prepare for new challenges that we will soon have to face

- write Ukrainian analysts.
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  1. Sasha1979
    Sasha1979 25 September 2023 17: 17
    +3
    “The summer demonstrated that the war will not end on Ukraine’s terms in 2024.” There are 3 true thoughts here: 1) the war will not end 2) the war will not end on the terms of the “so-called former Ukraine”. 3) the war will not end in 2024.
    1. Peter1First
      Peter1First 25 September 2023 17: 24
      +3
      There is also a 4th thought - no matter how bad things go with the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and the West will not allow it to be stopped - they will go on new meat assaults in 24 and equip themselves with new military cemeteries...
      1. Sasha1979
        Sasha1979 25 September 2023 17: 25
        0
        This is just thought #3 in other words.
      2. yuri bakster
        yuri bakster 25 September 2023 17: 45
        +2
        Quote from: Peter1First
        and build new military cemeteries for yourself...

        yes, but we too, we can’t do without losses, soon German and American missiles will fly towards us....
    2. parabyd
      parabyd 25 September 2023 17: 34
      +2
      And one more thing, we need to prepare for new challenges. You can’t come to an agreement with Santa Claus and you’ll have to face winter.
      No matter how it turns out to be more deadly than the entire counterattack.

      Let's see how much coal has been stored, how the boiler rooms and pipes have been prepared. How is medicine prepared for the flu season?
      1. Peter1First
        Peter1First 25 September 2023 17: 48
        +3
        And one more thought, if we started talking about energy, what will they do when the agreement on the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine ends?
        1. Ulan.1812
          Ulan.1812 25 September 2023 18: 30
          +1
          Quote from: Peter1First
          And one more thought, if we started talking about energy, what will they do when the agreement on the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine ends?

          So Miller is already talking about the possibility of extending the transit agreement after 2024.
        2. solar
          solar 25 September 2023 21: 56
          0
          Before the war, two thirds of the gas consumed by Ukraine was produced there in Ukraine.
          20 billion m³ out of 30 consumed are our own production. They haven’t bought gas from Russia for a long time; they bought it in the West, although perhaps it was also Russian in origin.
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 September 2023 17: 49
      +1
      The war as such will not end de jure for a very long time. And the ceasefire agreement, where the disengagement line of the parties will be 1-3 km from the front line, on the day the military ceasefire, if signed, will not be until the summer of 2025. And even then I am extremely optimistic in my forecasts.
    4. astra wild2
      astra wild2 25 September 2023 17: 55
      0
      "the war will not end in 2024".
      I remember 2022: how EVERYONE HOPED that everything would be completed before the fall. And then.....Because of the stupidity of the command, the "August drama"
      I quietly hoped that everything would end: in the summer of 2024, now....
    5. Maz
      Maz 25 September 2023 18: 12
      0
      I don’t care what they are preparing for, I need to buy a solid fuel stove, pipes and elbows for the chimney, and pipes for the top-bottom water jacket, I have a lot of wood under my house. There's plenty of firewood. Let's break through.
  2. Rumata
    Rumata 25 September 2023 17: 19
    +4
    the war will not end on Ukraine’s terms.......
    ......NEVER. Only on the terms of the Russian Federation and nothing else. Those. complete and unconditional surrender of the Ukronazis.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 September 2023 17: 51
      +3
      Quote: Rumata
      the war will not end on Ukraine’s terms.......
      ......NEVER. Only on the terms of the Russian Federation and nothing else. Those. complete and unconditional surrender of the Ukronazis.

      For Ukraine to capitulate, it is necessary to defeat its armed forces. What is the minimum number of forces and the number of forces of the RF Armed Forces, which from your point of view should be used for this?
      1. your1970
        your1970 25 September 2023 19: 31
        -2
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Rumata
        the war will not end on Ukraine’s terms.......
        ......NEVER. Only on the terms of the Russian Federation and nothing else. Those. complete and unconditional surrender of the Ukronazis.

        For Ukraine to capitulate, it is necessary to defeat its armed forces. What is the minimum number of forces and the number of forces of the RF Armed Forces, which from your point of view should be used for this?

        If it's fast, then 10 million
        If it’s bloodless, then 20 warheads.
        If seriously- then 3 years and the current number is head over heels
        1. solar
          solar 25 September 2023 22: 02
          +3
          If it's fast, then 10 million
          If it’s bloodless, then 20 warheads.
          Seriously though, 3 years and the current numbers are head over heels

          10 million need to be armed with something. T-55 is not offered.
          20 warheads is the same as making yourself a complete outcast in the world for a long time, worse than Iran and North Korea. It's called a Pyrrhic victory.
          But seriously, judging by the increase in the number and range of weapons from the West, in three years Ukraine’s army will be armed like in the States. And how many will die in three more years on both sides is scary to imagine:((
          1. Zoer
            Zoer 27 September 2023 15: 41
            0
            Only 10 million come out with AK-74m and RGD-5...
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 September 2023 17: 19
    +11
    If the Kremlin continues to pull Ben by the navel, then by spring they will unpleasantly “delight” us not only with the presence of combat aviation in the “face” of the F16, but also with the production of long-range missiles and guns. And the worst thing is the presence of dozens of tactical nuclear warheads. And the Kremlin’s drawing of the notorious “red lines” will continue to cause mocking laughter in Kyiv.
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 25 September 2023 17: 40
      +4
      albeit dozens of tactical nuclear charges.
      It is extremely unlikely - if the world sees that a loud clown was given nuclear weapons, they will want to acquire one themselves. Turkey, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Algeria, Brazil, Indonesia will acquire bombs within three to five years. It's not difficult at all now. But NATO really doesn’t want this. In addition, an attempt to use nuclear weapons on the part of Ukraine will end in seeding the central and central areas with Russian bombs - there are enough of them for this.
    2. your1970
      your1970 25 September 2023 19: 34
      -4
      Quote: Thrifty
      the worst thing is the presence of dozens of tactical nuclear warheads.

      And who will stop us from donating nuclear weapons to Argentina? 5-10 pieces...
      Or IRA Javelins?
  4. Mikhail Ivanov
    Mikhail Ivanov 25 September 2023 17: 21
    +4
    Nothing has ever happened and will never happen on Ukraine’s terms. Ukraine is not a subject of anything!
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 25 September 2023 17: 33
      +1
      Mikhail Ivanov - only behind the Ukrainian war are NATO and the United States in the first place. And it is they who decide the fate of those lands of ours that we call Ukrainian, and these same lands cost us a lot of blood and I dare say that we don’t even know which We will definitely pay the price for the Kremlin’s shortsightedness and reluctance to intervene in 14.
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 September 2023 17: 30
    +2
    The summer showed that the war between Russia and NATO at the hands of Ukraine will not end until Ukraine itself remains as a state.
    Anyone who is afraid to admit this, who thinks that the death penalty (or real life imprisonment in the form of hard labor) will not change anything, has his nose in the dust...
    1. your1970
      your1970 25 September 2023 19: 41
      -1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Anyone who is afraid to admit this, who thinks that the death penalty (or real life imprisonment in the form of hard labor) will not change anything, has his nose in the dust...

      And you ask China - why do they have to shoot ministers and provincial leaders? regularly.
      Everyone seems to know that they will kill and grab it.
      And at the same time, if a minister is spanked, how many people from below were angry with him? Can you imagine?
      And for some reason the death penalty doesn’t stop them in China either...
      I have already given an example - in Islam, women are stoned to death in the square for adultery.
      Death is most painful.
      But for 1300 (!!!) the women never reached the age of XNUMX years (it’s not good to blow, they’ll kill you for it....
      1. Zoer
        Zoer 27 September 2023 15: 47
        0
        Quote: your1970
        And you ask China why they have to shoot ministers and provincial leaders regularly.
        Everyone seems to know that they will kill and grab it.
        And at the same time, if a minister is spanked, how many people from below were angry with him? Can you imagine?
        And for some reason the death penalty doesn’t stop them in China either...
        I have already given an example - in Islam, women are stoned to death in the square for adultery.
        Death is most painful.
        But in 1300 (!!!) years, the women still haven’t realized that it’s bad (it’s not good to blow, they’ll kill you for it....

        A strange thought, more than... Have you compared corruption here and in China? Have you compared the results of the Russian Federation and China over 32 years?
        About women... Have you compared the women in Saudi Arabia and the Netherlands?
        Is this an attempt to justify our verticals? negative
  6. air wolf
    air wolf 25 September 2023 17: 41
    +4
    Remember the Basmachi, it will be like this now, Pin.Dos will stop funding and everything will end in a month or two...
    1. Zoer
      Zoer 27 September 2023 15: 50
      0
      Quote: air wolf
      Remember the Basmachi, it will be like this now, Pin.Dos will stop funding and everything will end in a month or two...

      So the Pin. Wasps were swindled out of the Basmachi only because they could not work on two such huge fronts, and they preferred to support the 404th rather than the Basmachi. In our case, who will the mattress covers be switched to? To Taiwan? Well maybe, maybe. Or maybe not...
  7. Man from afar
    Man from afar 25 September 2023 17: 45
    -1
    The SVO cannot end as long as the Nazi regime has at least an inch of land. The world will continue to supply Hitler's fan club with weapons and equipment until the last of them is killed and the Russian troops stand on the border with the Pshas, ​​playing a staring contest.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 September 2023 17: 54
      +6
      Quote: ManFrom Afar
      The SVO cannot end as long as the Nazi regime has at least an inch of land. The world will continue to supply Hitler's fan club with weapons and equipment until the last of them is killed and the Russian troops stand on the border with the Pshas, ​​playing a staring contest.

      The problem with many people is that instead of using a adding machine, they use loud slogans that lead nowhere.
  8. RED_ICE
    RED_ICE 25 September 2023 18: 06
    +1
    “The imbalance scares us.” The number of middle-aged workers in Russia is declining
    Golikova announced a significant reduction in the number of workers aged 30-39 years.

    https://www.gazeta.ru/social/2023/09/21/17624203.shtml?ysclid=lmz0rnalb1904001087

    And it will be even worse if it lasts for many years and new waves of mobilization begin
  9. Maz
    Maz 25 September 2023 18: 22
    +1
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Rumata
    the war will not end on Ukraine’s terms.......
    ......NEVER. Only on the terms of the Russian Federation and nothing else. Those. complete and unconditional surrender of the Ukronazis.

    For Ukraine to capitulate, it is necessary to defeat its armed forces. What is the minimum number of forces and the number of forces of the RF Armed Forces, which from your point of view should be used for this?

    From here I agree with you Aron. At a minimum, you must outnumber the enemy by two times, or better yet, by three. If you estimate, then in addition to these active ones you need another half a million soldiers, divided into three armies, north, south, reserve, plus the police National Guard for one hundred thousand... but the strategy of our Defense Ministry is very difficult to understand. But it doesn’t want to explain to citizens why this is so. That is what it is. Okay, we'll see. The enemy will be defeated and victory will be ours! And Israel better not spoil relations with Russia with its stupid statements, supplies and actions in support of 404. Otherwise, we will turn over all the synagogues into wrestling halls. Israel has already noted this, your snipers bragged about how they killed Russian soldiers on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR. Well, if you sow the wind, you will reap the storm.
    1. solar
      solar 25 September 2023 22: 06
      0
      At a minimum, you must outnumber the enemy by two times, or better yet, by three. If you estimate, these current ones need another half a million soldiers

      It won’t be enough to double or triple that. And they will not need to be armed with T-55s.
  10. Al manah
    Al manah 25 September 2023 18: 35
    -1
    And when did Deep State become a portal? belay It's just a map, and all the comments are in their cart. laughing
  11. Ulan.1812
    Ulan.1812 25 September 2023 18: 35
    +2
    Do they still hope to win? The only thing they can hope for is an agreement as a result of the betrayal of the Russian elite.
    I hope this doesn't happen.
  12. bone1
    bone1 25 September 2023 19: 01
    +2
    Naturally, until the Ukrainians run out or they finally turn on the brain
  13. Romanenko
    Romanenko 25 September 2023 19: 05
    +2
    The summer demonstrated that the war will not end on Ukraine’s terms in 2024

    A few extra words that require clarification:
    Firstly, what or more precisely whose conditions are we talking about? European Union, America, NATO or Great Britain? Nobody asks Ukraine what it wants, they give it money and simply demand it, this concerns conditions in general;
    And secondly, in the quoted phrase the last words “in 2024” are clearly superfluous, and it’s still too early to write Ukraine with a capital letter, as you know it’s customary to write proper names with it, judging by the astronomical foreign debt and 100% external management, its own There is nothing left of it; even the name of the territory now sounds more like a depreciated brand.
    1. solar
      solar 25 September 2023 22: 11
      0
      Firstly, what or more precisely whose conditions are we talking about? European Union, America, NATO or Great Britain? Nobody asks Ukraine what it wants

      You are wrong. Just a week ago, Biden directly supported Ukraine’s conditions from the UN rostrum.
      “Russia believes the world will tire and allow it to brutalize Ukraine unchecked. But I ask you this: if we abandon the basic principles of the UN Charter to appease an aggressor, can any Member State feel confident that it is protected? If we allow Ukraine to be dismembered, will the independence of any of the countries be ensured? The answer is no. We must oppose this direct aggression now to deter potential future aggressors,” Biden said.

      https://news.un.org/ru/story/2023/09/1444897
      For the West, this becomes a matter of principle, the further, the more.
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 25 September 2023 23: 08
        0
        Quote from solar
        Firstly, what or more precisely whose conditions are we talking about? European Union, America, NATO or Great Britain? Nobody asks Ukraine what it wants

        You are wrong. Just a week ago, Biden directly supported Ukraine’s conditions from the UN rostrum.
        “Russia believes the world will tire and allow it to brutalize Ukraine unchecked. But I ask you this: if we abandon the basic principles of the UN Charter to appease an aggressor, can any Member State feel confident that it is protected? If we allow Ukraine to be dismembered, will the independence of any of the countries be ensured? The answer is no. We must oppose this direct aggression now to deter potential future aggressors,” Biden said.

        https://news.un.org/ru/story/2023/09/1444897
        For the West, this becomes a matter of principle, the further, the more.

        It’s not for Biden to say, his US has long abandoned the principles of the UN.
        The self-propelled grandfather forgot how many states the USA dismembered.
  14. ZovSailor
    ZovSailor 25 September 2023 23: 47
    +1
    My friends and enemies!
    You express the correct thoughts out loud and in writing, but most of the thoughts are correct from the point of view of military science of the past with a number of exceptions and the new theory of modern military science.
    The logical chains of tactics and strategy are verified, but there are nuances...
    The enemies in the person of the False West with the lackeys of the Bandera Reich are fully monitoring possible scenarios for the further course of the Northern Military District...
    And for us, the RF Armed Forces, little is enough; we need an illogical solution - a combat knockout without the right to recovery in the future, forever! (note I didn't say death!). We'll soon find out what...
    In the meantime, we are systematically and carefully carrying out 200- and XNUMX-hundred-counting of the enemy and mercenaries, connecting international platforms in our favor, and taking politically verified steps within society. Victory will be ours!