Source: The Rostov-on-Don diesel-electric submarine that was damaged during the missile attack did not receive critical damage

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Источник: Пострадавшая в ходе ракетного удара ДЭПЛ «Ростов-на-Дону» критических повреждений не получила

The repair time for the ship damaged during a missile attack on the Sevastopol marine plant of the Rostov-on-Don diesel-electric submarine will increase slightly; the assessment showed that the submarine did not receive critical damage. This was reported by a source in the shipbuilding industry familiar with the situation.

An assessment of the damage to the Rostov-on-Don diesel-electric submarine received on September 13 during a missile attack on Sevastopol showed that the submarine did not receive critical damage and the durable hull was not damaged. So the time frame for planned repairs, which should have taken several months anyway, will increase slightly. There is no information about the possible delivery of the submarine to the Admiralty Shipyards for repairs; most likely it will remain at Sevmorzavod.



The submarine has minor damage that did not affect its robust hull. Their elimination can only slightly increase the time the submarine spends under scheduled repairs

- leads TASS source words.


But there is no information yet on the Minsk landing craft; the volume of upcoming work is being assessed. The Ministry of Defense promised that the submarine and large landing craft will return to service fleet after complete recovery.

Earlier, a number of Western publications reported that the Rostov-on-Don submarine was out of action until the end of the conflict, drawing this conclusion based on published photographs of the damage. It was reported that the submarine must certainly be transported to the Admiralty Shipyards for restoration.

The Rostov-on-Don diesel-electric submarine is the second after the Novorossiysk lead diesel-electric submarine in a series of six Varshavyanka built for the Black Sea Fleet at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg. Laid down on November 21, 2011, launched on June 26, 2014, factory sea trials began on October 21, 2014. She entered the fleet on December 27, 2014.
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    1. +2
      25 September 2023 07: 27
      It looks like a 2-hull building, and all the most valuable things are hidden in a durable one, so it’s not particularly surprising, I had hopes that the namesake of the capital of my region would still serve the homeland, and it came true
      1. 0
        25 September 2023 09: 28
        Quote: Vitaliy161
        all the most valuable things are in durable


        What about the MGK-400EM sonar system?

        About the valuable outside
      2. +2
        25 September 2023 09: 45
        Diesel PLANS, single hull. Tanks and auxiliary equipment are placed around the robust hull, covered by a lightweight hull. If the durable hull is not damaged, the boat will be repaired.
        Well, the missile hit the landing craft in the area of ​​the superstructure, the main thing is not to hit the engine room. After all, the BDK has a large amount of internal volume to accommodate the Marine Corps.
        1. +6
          25 September 2023 13: 34
          Quote: Sergey39
          Diesel PLANS, single hull.
          ??? Our only 677 project is made using a single-hull design. Project 636.3 -- 2-hull! At least look at WIKI:
          They have double body divided into six compartments. The Caliber missile system is installed on boats of modifications 636M, 636.1 and 636.3. The TA is reloaded in 15 seconds.

          Quote: Sergey39
          If the durable hull is not damaged, the boat will be repaired.

          1. Either the photo in the article is a crap TsIPSO-shnaya, or the “unnamed” source of the humpback sculpts. In the photo there is a hole in the 4th compartment on the starboard side!
          2. The boat will be returned to service anyway.
          a) there are few of them, there are only 6 units (brigade) for the entire Black Sea Fleet;
          b) if at SRZ 13 there are conditions, technology and specialists who can cut out a lacerated wound and weld a patch of equal strength to a PC, then yes, they will restore it on the spot. If not, then the matter will drag on, which, however, was hinted at in a veiled manner by the plant’s representative when speaking about the recovery time frame.
          Unfortunately:
          1. there are no refutations of the photo from the Navy;
          2. if MO always told the truth (nakedly, like the ultimate truth!), then one could believe the “source”. But these..."Konoshenkovs" prefer to "not aggravate", "smooth out, round off sharp corners", "not to disturb the population again" and other information loopholes. And after all this, how can you trust someone who “lied once”?
          Therefore, the warriors (former 58A) are openly calling on functionaries from the Ministry of Defense to stop lying and tell the truth. Otherwise you won't win!
          IMHO.
          1. +2
            26 September 2023 15: 26
            Judging by the photo, if it is repaired, it will not be very soon. The information is purely a hoax from the authorities to smooth over the shame. I also read something interesting about the headquarters today, it turns out that it was not badly damaged... They lie like they breathe... Alas...
          2. 0
            27 September 2023 06: 38
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            b) if at SRZ 13 there are conditions, technology and specialists who can cut out a lacerated wound and weld a patch of equal strength to a PC, then yes, they will restore it on the spot. If not, then the matter will drag on, which, however, was hinted at in a veiled manner by the plant’s representative when speaking about the recovery time frame.

            Storm Shadow has a penetrating tandem warhead. The hole in the body hints that the main charge exploded inside the compartment. After two explosions of several hundred kilograms each inside the durable casing, I doubt that there is anything left to repair at all.
        2. +4
          25 September 2023 13: 49
          Dear Sergey39! Do not mislead the reading and writing public of VO and its editorial team, with your engineering “knowledge” in the field of design and architecture of submarines... Single-hull submarines have main ballast tanks and auxiliary equipment INSIDE a durable hull, so when did they build their own American nuclear submarines... The Russian submarine design has been “tailored” to a double-hull design all its life, which significantly increases the emergency and combat survivability of the submarine... By the way, if “Rostov-on-Don” had been designed and built, according to your “engineering "knowledge, then she (DPL), after a missile strike, would have had a banal "trindets" followed by a long average repair... There is a proposal that captivates with its novelty and originality - this is to change the "clearances" of the shoulder straps, on your "avatar", with “naval” - yellow, red - “medical - commissariat”, in accordance with your “naval knowledge” in the field of design and construction of warships....
      3. +2
        26 September 2023 04: 21
        No, it didn't come true. Here they just planted lies, saying that it’s okay, my arm was torn off, we’ll sew a prosthesis on. You can clearly see from the photos - a penetrating hit of several square meters, all on needles...
    2. +2
      25 September 2023 07: 29
      The caliber carrier will be in service again. This is the main thing now.
      1. +15
        25 September 2023 07: 58
        The calibers should have been launched from the ground a long time ago. It is irrational to drive ships for this purpose. It's strange that they haven't started yet
        1. +4
          25 September 2023 09: 49
          And who said that the second set of Iskander does not include missile launchers, because of which the Americans made a fuss. There are also Bastion coastal complexes with Onyxes. Their range has been increased to 800 km (I’m sure). Work is already underway to land the Zircon complex.
        2. +1
          25 September 2023 10: 21
          All these carrier frigates were built precisely because they cannot be launched from the ground.
          1. +3
            25 September 2023 13: 51
            Quote from Aken
            All these carrier frigates were built precisely because they cannot be launched from the ground.

            Stop fantasizing!
            1. Frigates were built in order to conduct naval combat at a distance within the reach of a missile system when receiving a control center with an obsolescence time that allows the use of missile launchers along a high-speed, maneuvering control center. And if the AVU is at a distance of 1200-1500 km from the DBK, then you simply cannot reach it. And he is already approaching the milestone of the rise of aviation...
            2. It’s definitely not possible to launch from the “ground”... But from a ground launcher – it’s easy! Why didn't they do it before? There are many reasons: money, priority, Agreement, development of a mobile launcher, etc.
            And second. From the “ground” (from silos) they launch ICBMs weighing 208 tons, and they can even launch some kind of “hyper gun” (a piece of fluff compared to the same R-28!) with a “catapult”. At least attach starters to it - no problem! The zircon is spat out from the UKSK by the PAD, and nothing - it flies to wherever it is sent... laughing
            So, “wait children, just give it a time: you will have Belka, there will be a whistle” (c) yes
            1. +1
              25 September 2023 17: 14
              Stop fantasizing, my friend.
              Everything is as simple as a cow mooing. You even accidentally identified the true reason, but you yourself disguised it. Including from myself.
    3. +15
      25 September 2023 07: 29
      In the photo, the damage to the light hull is quite significant. Wasn't the durable hull damaged? It's hard to believe in such luck. good
      1. +4
        25 September 2023 07: 36
        Quote: Bearded
        In the photo, the damage to the light hull is quite significant.

        There were discussions about the history of this photo. It looks like this photo is a bullshit lie. .
        1. +8
          25 September 2023 08: 39
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: Bearded
          In the photo, the damage to the light hull is quite significant.

          There were discussions about the history of this photo. It looks like this photo is a bullshit lie. .

          Are there any photographs of damage that are not bullshit lies?
          1. +2
            25 September 2023 09: 52
            What does the absence of photographs prove?
            1. 0
              27 September 2023 00: 16
              Quote: Warabey
              What does the absence of photographs prove?

              On the one hand, there is some confirmation of the words in the form of a photograph, and on the other - only the words of the source.
      2. +4
        25 September 2023 07: 48
        Wasn't the durable hull damaged? \
        Even if he suffered, it seems to be insignificant. It is important that there is no fire in the compartments. and so, how many cases of submarines colliding with surface vessels, even to the point of holes in the pressure hull with sea water getting inside. Then you have to change the entire electrical system in the compartment, and then there’s a dry dock and, worst of all, a fire. And the “hardware” will be fixed, we can compare it with the example of a dented car, where it is important not to damage the inside of the car and prevent a fire. It’s good if everything is as this author of the article writes.
        1. -7
          25 September 2023 12: 23
          Saburov_Alexander53 (Alex)
          Wasn't the durable hull damaged? \
          Even if he suffered, it seems to be insignificant.


          Yes, yes, the boat is intact... True, you can’t go into the sea, much less dive. Do not turn starboard towards your adversary :o(
        2. +5
          25 September 2023 14: 10
          Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
          can be compared using the example of a dented car, where it is important not to damage the inside of the car

          Auto repair - no problem! We have “Tinsmith’s Day” every year with the beginning of winter... But the “tin can” does not pass the “deep sea”... Neglect of strength characteristics (microcracks, metal fatigue) led to the tragedy of the deep-sea vehicle TITAN. 5 people died. The bodies have not yet been found... And the boat has a crew of 60 people... Therefore, the question is still the same: after a dynamic and thermal shock to the boat's PC, will it be of equal strength along the entire length. What about the power set, is there any deformation of the outboard and locking equipment... and much more.
          The boat is a messenger of the inhabitants of the Earth, a guest in HYDROCOSMOS, which is treacherous and does not forgive mistakes. You should treat him with respect, with great reverence, if you want to live. But I haven’t met anyone in the submarine who didn’t want to live! Yeah.
          1. 0
            26 September 2023 10: 13
            Boa constrictor KAA (Alexander), it seems to me that you are exaggerating the danger of PC destruction after such repairs. How many of our boats were rammed by all sorts of vessels and ships, there were even collisions with other submarines and most of the damage was repaired and went to sea again. Do you know that even new submarines regularly leak, not along the welds, but because of hundreds of outboard holes in the durable hull. This is where the biggest threat of flooding is. During each (!!!) dive, everyone sits on "Combat Alert", and those who are supposed to (the bilge operators) conduct an inspection in the compartments. And if leakage of oil seals, valves or dampers is detected, they are tightened and immersed further. But it happens that the leak continues and everything is at the discretion of the Chief Mechanic. Sometimes they simply place a candela under the seal or valve, or allow water to accumulate in the bilge and then pump it out. This is common on a submarine. But of course, if the leak is strong, then under pressure it turns into fog, which is dangerous for electrical equipment. There is no talk of any further immersion here. But I repeat, all the seals and valves will flow forward, which will tear even the repaired durable body. And not a single submarine commander will immediately dive to the maximum depth in order to collapse like a shell.
          2. 0
            27 September 2023 09: 03
            A submarine and a deep-sea vehicle are not the same thing. It is wrong to compare them. The simplest example is a propulsion drive, etc., etc....
      3. 0
        25 September 2023 08: 44
        A suspicious person from a contractor company slandered on this site that the equipment delivered for repair was destroyed. But the seconded employees returned home the day before and no one was injured.
        So, to the repair timeframe, add the timeframe for finding new equipment.
        1. +4
          25 September 2023 09: 18
          So, to the repair timeframe, add the timeframe for finding new equipment.

          Aken (Brut), I don’t understand, was the equipment destroyed separately in the warehouse by another missile or already inside the boat? If inside, then any repair involves replacing damaged equipment and the author of the article talks about extending the repair period due to the impact. What are you talking about?
          And what is the connection between the repair equipment and the seconded employees who were not injured by the impact? Maybe they brought a new diesel engine and successfully installed it in a compartment that was not damaged. How should I understand your comment?
          1. +5
            25 September 2023 09: 33
            Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
            And what is the connection between the repair equipment and the employees who were not injured by the impact?

            good
            The labyrinth of thought is so convoluted that traces of it are lost at the first steps along it.
            1. -1
              25 September 2023 10: 19
              Are you sad that civilian specialists were not harmed?
              1. +2
                25 September 2023 10: 33
                Quote from Aken
                Are you sad that civilian specialists were not harmed?

                Why such a conclusion?
                I actually spoke about the intricacy of mental processes.
          2. +1
            25 September 2023 10: 18
            And so understand.
            As stated, the equipment brought in for repairs was destroyed or severely damaged.
            How and in what place is not a question for me. I'm not a shipyard worker.
            But the people sent to organize the repairs were not harmed. This makes me happy.
      4. +1
        25 September 2023 09: 53
        The missile's charge is high-explosive, not armor-piercing. The durable hull of the Varshavyanka is made of steel capable of withstanding pressure at a depth of 300m, but there is still a margin of safety.
        1. 0
          25 September 2023 15: 18
          Quote: Sergey39
          The missile's charge is high-explosive, not armor-piercing.

          Colleague! The Storm Shadow warhead weighs 450 kg(!) and is not TNT, but a much more powerful explosive with K=1,34. If such a charge were hit, it would hardly be necessary to talk about “damage” to the PC. The boat would simply be torn in half! The PC is made of non-magnetic AK-25 steel, I couldn’t find the thickness, but I think it’s at least 35 mm. All the same, Abrams would not have withstood such a “hit”.
          Therefore, most likely the warhead was a cassette warhead, with destructive homing elements. They do have it.
          AHA.
    4. -9
      25 September 2023 07: 35
      OK then. Now the patch will be put on, painted, the priest will spray it with water and it will be as good as new!
      The advertising brochure can indicate that the hull protects not only from small arms, but also from cruise missiles!
    5. +1
      25 September 2023 07: 43
      Well, thank God, they gave birth.
      Or they could have answered right away so that the long-haired people wouldn’t boast.
      By the way, I have a question: who photographed the damage to the boat, was it not the one who aimed the missile at it, like a report for curators from Washington and London?!
      1. 0
        25 September 2023 08: 01
        Quote: 75Sergey
        Or they could have answered right away so that the long-haired people wouldn’t boast.

        First a thorough examination had to be carried out.
    6. 0
      25 September 2023 07: 58
      It would be nice...But I doubt it. If they restore it, it will only be in St. Petersburg, and you still have to get there.
      1. +5
        25 September 2023 09: 35
        If they restore it, it will only be in St. Petersburg,
        Why such lack of faith in the ship repair yard in Sevastopol? How then did all the boats of my 29th division (Rakushka, Konyushkovo) or the Submarine Brigade in Ulisse (Vladivostok) get repaired at Dalzavod, and not in Komsomolsk and Leningrad, where they were made? Moreover, any repair, even with the replacement of the missile system, when almost the weight of the missile compartment with shafts 15 meters high was cut out. And here are a couple of torn holes that happen during ship collisions... You don’t trust our ship repairmen, why? Do you have objective reasons to say so or is it just a catchphrase to earn a plus? I will give you this cross, if it is so important to you - catch it!
        1. +1
          25 September 2023 10: 09
          There is no need for a “cross”))) I assumed.
          1. +4
            25 September 2023 10: 29
            This is not prohibited, there can be all sorts of thoughts, especially from the lack of objective information in the media. But I had the opportunity to see with my own eyes what kind of submarine repair work was carried out at Dalzavod. For the first time in my life I saw how they cut an intermediate missile deck, where missile silos are inserted and welded somewhere in the middle of its height. The deck thickness is 80 mm and no autogen can cope with such a thickness of metal. Graphite electric cutters with a rod 3 cm thick were used. Molten metal flowed in a stream from under such a cutter, a terrible sight. And in the workshops there were American guillotines made in 1914 from Chicago, which cut sheets of metal 22 mm thick like paper. We often underestimate the possibilities of production until we see it with our own eyes.
            1. +1
              25 September 2023 20: 56
              Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
              We often underestimate the possibilities of production until we see it with our own eyes.

              True, I’m not telling you about the navy, but about aviation. They brought a plane from one airline to our ARZ for overhaul. And a month later, another crew from this AK brought another aircraft for repairs. Well, they asked to see how things were going with the first car. And when they saw the empty, bare fuselage (i.e., essentially, a large riveted barrel), they almost fought in hysterics, saying, “What have you done, it can’t be restored!!!” The people around looked at them in surprise and twirled their fingers at their temples...
        2. +2
          25 September 2023 15: 43
          Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
          The boats of the 29th division... were repaired at Dalzavod, and not in Komsomolsk and Leningrad, where they were made?

          What, all your boats had PC DAMAGE? It is one thing to remove the technological sheet in compartment 5 to replace units, even diesel generators. In this case, the body set does not experience any negative force loads. And it’s another matter after an EXPLOSION, when there is both temperature and external impact. In addition, you probably did not cook anything, violating the tightness of the PC, in addition to the technological holes provided for in the design. And if this was the case, then Dalzavod had equipment, automatic welding machines, fluoroscopy and ultrasound to verify the quality of the work performed.
          Question: -- is there all this + high-quality welders at Shipyard 13? Personally, I'm not sure.
          hi
          1. 0
            26 September 2023 09: 15
            Boa constrictor KAA (Alexander), thank you for participating in the discussion and it seems that you are familiar with such details of the submarine that few people are aware of. I'm talking about removable technological holes in a durable casing for the planned replacement of units. Indeed, there are such ones even for loading the battery, right above the battery pits. Believe me, I understand the difference when you have to cut a strong body and then weld it again. but this is exactly what was done on mine and many other Project 629 rocket boats, which were converted to an underwater launch. There they cut and welded not only the 80 mm thick missile decks, but before that the entire upper part of the pressure hull above this deck was cut in half. And with a PC thickness of 22 mm, this was not particularly difficult. The edges of the sheets were first cut at 45 degrees, and then such a joint was welded with an overlap of about 1 cm. And the welders said that they would rather tear the body along a clean surface than along a seam. And we must also remember that the submarine has powerful frames at a distance of 60 cm along the entire hull, which creates the basis for strength with the appropriate ductility of the metal in order to withstand repeated compression and not crack.
            And about the quality of welding. There is certainly control and it is very strict. But marriage also happens. But all welding work is recorded in special journal documents with the name of the welder and the inspector. And when our azimuth periscope, which was extended using a cable and blocks on brackets, collapsed, it was an emergency on a naval scale. They immediately found the defective welder and tried him along with the inspectors. The new periscope was brought from Leningrad, where they were made. And I have no doubt that the shipyard has all the capabilities for repairs, and if not, then they will send specialists from St. Petersburg, what are the problems?
      2. +4
        25 September 2023 09: 56
        You shouldn't doubt it. Sevastopol Shipyards are capable of carrying out various repair and construction work. It’s not in vain that the ALROSA submarine is being modernized in Sevastopol.
    7. +4
      25 September 2023 08: 00
      I didn't get anything... judging by the photo. What then is critical damage?
      1. +2
        25 September 2023 09: 22
        These pictures have already been analyzed here. They wrote that they were made in St. Petersburg, which is why the background was retouched.
      2. +2
        25 September 2023 10: 02
        The cruiser "Moskva" built in 1976-1979, if kept afloat, would have been restored. True, there is a question about the service life of ships. The large landing craft "Saratov" was not repaired, but was written off. It was built in 1964.
    8. -2
      25 September 2023 08: 12
      Very low missile arrival rate.
      This means that for protection we need automatic machine-gun and cannon vehicles of the Buyan and Palankh type along the perimeter of the docks.
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    9. +4
      25 September 2023 08: 40
      Isn't this source Scott Ritter?
    10. +1
      25 September 2023 08: 49
      Oh, these storytellers! Probably such reassuring reports are prepared for the guarantor, in order to reassure him and not get punished for another “puncture”. It arrived in Moscow and began to move; when it arrived in Crimea, it began to move. There is no systematic work to arrange real software protection. Lines of combat contact. Yesterday I arrived in Tokmok, there was great destruction. There is no normal air defense along the front or it works poorly.
      1. 0
        25 September 2023 09: 02
        "There is no normal air defense along the front or it is not working well."
        Most likely both.
        1. +1
          25 September 2023 09: 42
          And in war sometimes it flies....or do you know wars where it wasn’t like that? For example, Israel, with its unique "Dome", also cannot intercept all the "Qassams" from the Palestinians. And they are far from primitive, unlike “Storm” and “Scalp”.
      2. +1
        25 September 2023 10: 06
        Calculate the border line between the Russian Federation and the “territories of Ukraine”, plus strategic cities and objects within the range of UAVs of 800 km, space and air reconnaissance and NATO escort to the target.
        1. +2
          25 September 2023 10: 30
          Quote: Sergey39
          Calculate the border line between the Russian Federation and the “territories of Ukraine”, plus strategic cities and objects within the range of UAVs of 800 km, space and air reconnaissance and NATO escort to the target.

          We counted. At the beginning of the SVO, Gerasimov spoke about 800 km, now it’s about 2000. Modern radars shine within a radius of up to 300-400 km, and the presence of DRO aircraft and satellites makes the detection of attacking targets even more transparent, even taking into account hilly terrain. The striped ones will not let you lie, our strategists are just taking off, and there is already an alarm on the edge, and then they also report on the direction of the missiles. Every day 4-5 Avaks hang over Poland and Romania. The result of this work is the defeat of many of our missiles and drones, if accurate information is available. Therefore, if there is a desire and opportunity, everything can be done. Most likely, the Ministry of Defense does not have the ability to create a continuous target detection field, judging by the regular missile hits, either on headquarters, or on bridges, or on Crimea, or on airfields. You know that ours were forced to remove aircraft from the Crimean Saki airfield, as you understand, not because of a good life (source: Flightbomber, cart). But this is a question for the leadership of the Moscow Region. How did you prepare for war after 2014? And when the enemy gets F16s and new missiles from “partners,” the problems will become even greater, by an order of magnitude.
          1. +1
            25 September 2023 14: 43
            Ours were forced to remove aircraft from the Crimean Saki airfield, as you understand, not because of a good life (source: Flightbomber, cart)

            Let that source come to Novofedorovka and see the “ghosts” of “removed aircraft” taking off and landing, maybe then he will stop hanging noodles on gullible ears.
          2. 0
            26 September 2023 09: 44
            cmax (VAL), so you contradict yourself by listing the entire power of NATO reconnaissance, which signals already at takeoff and shows the direction of flying missiles. And they fly and destroy the designated targets. This means that no missile defense system is 100% guaranteed. And the fact that we would like to have more missile defense/air defense systems in our army is clear to a goat - we do it to the best of our ability and intelligence. Do you think that someone else, not you, who did not become President or Minister of Defense, lacks intelligence? So what stopped you from creating or leading an impenetrable defense?
    11. 0
      25 September 2023 10: 53
      Even if there is no serious damage (in my opinion, the ship will return to service), I look with envy at the accuracy of Western weapons. These missiles hit exactly where they were supposed to hit, you have to admit that.
      1. +1
        25 September 2023 16: 01
        Quote: Little Bear
        These missiles hit exactly where they were supposed to hit, you have to admit that.

        Our media wrote about the arrival of ONE missile. And 2 ships were hit... It follows that the warhead was a cluster warhead, or the boat was caught on the edge, and the main target was the Minsk landing ship. Then it is clear why the boat received “minor damage” (according to the statement of the “unnamed source”).
        On the issue of accuracy. We also have missiles that fly and hit with a QUO of 5-10m. BDK length = 112 m, width = 15 m. In my opinion, it is difficult not to hit such a stationary target with GPS guidance.
        You better try to get into the Patriot installation, which was preparing to repel an air attack, as our Dagger did!
    12. +1
      25 September 2023 12: 01
      Which is what needed to be proven))) drawing a beautiful picture on a computer is a simple matter.
    13. -1
      25 September 2023 12: 19
      My friends and enemies!
      Let's turn on our heads and remember the famous Roman phrase Cui bono?, Cui prodest? (Who benefits from this?). Why do our enemies need to know the truth about this episode, the events with Wagner, and other important events? That’s why the fog of war exists; first of all, the smart, patient, calculating and then the strong win (in my opinion, this is the order of priorities).
      Let the enemy think whatever he wants, and we will “help” him think this way according to the logic of things, remembering the Battle of Kulikovo, the Battle of Borodino, the Kursk Bulge, the Battle of the Dnieper in 1943.
      I have the honor
    14. +1
      25 September 2023 12: 21
      Victori1950 (Vladimir Valentinovich), dear, back in Soviet times, nuclear submarines were brought from Leningrad and Gorky to Severodvinsk to outfitting bases. There are also people working in shipbuilding and ship repair, and river workers who remember this and know how to do it. In case of emergency, the Varshavyanka can be brought to St. Petersburg for repairs along inland waterways.
      1. -1
        25 September 2023 13: 16
        Sorry to interfere, but what about the thoroughness of the assembly, welding, and noise testing site?
        After such repairs, it will make noise throughout the entire ocean.
      2. +1
        25 September 2023 16: 09
        Quote: Tests
        along inland waterways, the Varshavyanka can also be brought to St. Petersburg for repairs.

        Look at the map. Have you looked? Let's answer a simple question: WHERE DO YOU SEE INLAND WATERWAYS??? This is not Volgo-Don, not Volgo-Balt! The Dnieper is under the Nazis, but canals have not yet been laid along the Caucasus ridge! Well, if only you dig an underground tunnel! am
        1. +1
          26 September 2023 10: 39
          Boa constrictor KAA (Alexander), I already answered a similar blunder in another article about this submarine, where you joked about knowing geography. Apparently you didn’t see my comment on this matter with the attached photo of a pack of Belomor-Canal cigarettes. You yourself call the Volga-Don and Volga-Balt as the existing internal water route from the Black Sea to the Baltic and White Seas as well. And what does this have to do with the Dnieper and the Caucasus ridge, where you are headed, unless you are digging an underground tunnel?
      3. 0
        27 September 2023 07: 18
        Quote: Tests
        Victori1950 (Vladimir Valentinovich), dear, back in Soviet times, nuclear submarines were brought from Leningrad and Gorky to Severodvinsk to outfitting bases. There are also people working in shipbuilding and ship repair, and river workers who remember this and know how to do it. In case of emergency, the Varshavyanka can be brought to St. Petersburg for repairs along inland waterways.

        It just makes no sense to compare the USSR with Russia. What they could and were able to do in the Empire, they either forgot how or don’t want to do in Russia. This applies not only to the military-industrial complex; there is a blockage everywhere.
    15. 0
      25 September 2023 12: 58
      Hmm, there's a hole in the side, it's not significant.
    16. +3
      25 September 2023 13: 14
      Half the boat was turned around, but no, everything is beautiful here! Info worthy of the main federal channels! People look at holes in the building that are taller than a person, and they are told that it is not what it seems. Propaganda is like this everywhere.
    17. -2
      25 September 2023 15: 27
      It is very difficult to cause irreparable (critical) damage to a boat in dry dock. She is docked without ammunition or fuel. The most valuable equipment has been removed. They cannot drown.
    18. +1
      25 September 2023 16: 48
      Boa constrictor KAA (Alexander), my dear, what’s wrong with you today, the atmospheric pressure is jumping and your bright little head is sick? Don’t scare me, please, get your blood pressure and pulse rate in order. You are for all of us, with your knowledge of fleet problems, at "V.O." needed in the comments.
      Look at the map. Have you looked? Let's answer a simple question: How did Buyany-M get into the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea from Tatarstan?
      In case of emergency, delivering “Varshavyanka” to a floating dock in St. Petersburg for repairs is not a very big engineering problem; in the USSR they knew how to dig canals. Or do you not consider the Sea of ​​Azov to be an internal sea of ​​the Russian Federation? And the Don River flows into it. You can get from the Don to the Volga. This is even taught in geography classes in Russian schools.
    19. +1
      25 September 2023 17: 14
      About Transcaucasia and Sevastopol “Pearl Harbor”:
      https://vk.com/video711300862_456239367?list=fea741a5589a3abe8c
    20. -2
      25 September 2023 18: 17
      Remember that now you can’t believe everything you see: Photoshop is working.
    21. 0
      25 September 2023 20: 20
      Less than a month has passed and at least someone has deigned to mention the incident.
      1. 0
        26 September 2023 13: 02
        Quote from nordscout
        The Russian design of the submarine, all its life, was “sharpened” on a two-hull design, which significantly increases emergency and combat survivability

        Of course, double-hull boats have better emergency survivability in peacetime, but not in wartime. A light hull sharply increases the dimensions of the boat, thereby reducing its stealth and then, in general, its technical perfection deteriorates (40% of water in the ballast tanks of Varshavyanka does not allow adding batteries or torpedoes with missiles), which is why the rest of the world has adopted a single-hull design.
        but on the other hand, if any single-hull were to take Varshavyanka’s place, it would definitely have to be written off.
    22. +1
      26 September 2023 13: 59
      An assessment of the damage to the Rostov-on-Don diesel-electric submarine received on September 13 during a missile attack on Sevastopol showed that the submarine did not receive critical damage and the durable hull was not damaged.

      And yes, yes, yes... we believe, of course we believe, how can you not believe the statements of the Ministry of Defense))) Just cut off the nose part, make a new one and reassemble it with all the required tests)))
      So the timing of planned repairs, which should have taken several months anyway, will increase slightly

      Well, damage to the side somewhere in the area of ​​​​the batteries will generally be puttied and painted by jamshuts in a couple of days)))
    23. -2
      26 September 2023 20: 44
      At the time of the Japanese attack, both ships were in the same dry dock along with the Pennsylvania ship. An aerial bomb that hit the Downs caused the detonation of the torpedoes. The explosion of the ammunition led to the ignition of the fuel and a powerful fire that engulfed the remains of the destroyer. The destroyer Cassin, which was standing nearby, was torn from its keel blocks by the shock wave - it fell on board and completely crushed the Downs. The flames fused together the wreckage of the destroyers.

      In its initial report, the fleet inspection noted the complete destruction of Downes, with the possibility of using only selected metal structures. The state of “Cassina” was also evaluated skeptically.


      Two years later, the repaired (!) destroyers Cassin and Downs returned to the Navy, with only the names and individual hull elements remaining from their previous ships.

      However, an even greater phenomenon was the case of a diver who was unable to detect the edges of the hole in the side of the West Virginia (its size was so large - from 7 to 9 torpedo hits). As a result, the explosives were nevertheless “repaired” and returned to service at the end of the 1944 war.
    24. 0
      27 September 2023 07: 13
      The Ministry of Defense lied at the time, shot down all the Ukrainian Air Force in 2 circles, etc.
      Therefore, there is no belief about minor damage. The photo shows significant damage. GAKu is awesome. The durable case, to put it mildly, is deformed; it is difficult to say about the loss of tightness. It's also possible. The light hull will be restored. Cost and feasibility of repairs...GAK is very expensive.
    25. 0
      20 October 2023 03: 16
      The submarine Rostov-on-Don was targeted purposefully as the most dangerous for the US fleet. They cannot defeat her in a fair fight, so they meanly damage her in the parking lot. This relates to the question of whether it is worth destroying American satellites in orbit. Ukrainians are used as a screen. It is clear that the missile strike was carried out by US specialists from the territory of Ukraine. The same tactics of sudden jumps and moving to a safe distance (as in boxing). We need to adopt tactics from the enemy, as our grandfathers did. Otherwise, everything will drag on for a long time.

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