US press: The area around the villages of Rabotino and Verbovoye has turned into a “graveyard for armored vehicles” of Western production

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US press: The area around the villages of Rabotino and Verbovoye has turned into a “graveyard for armored vehicles” of Western production

The Ukrainian army lost a large number of armored vehicles, transferred by Western sponsors, during attempts to break through the Russian army’s defenses on the Rabotino-Verbovoye line. The Washington Post writes about this.

According to the American publication, the area around two villages, which have been stormed by Ukrainian Armed Forces units for a long time, has turned into a cemetery for armored vehicles, mainly of Western origin. Large losses in both personnel and equipment are also recognized in Ukraine, but not in Kyiv, but on the front line. The newspaper quotes the words of one of the commanders of the air assault unit fighting in this direction, who confirmed the loss of equipment near Rabotino and Verbov during the attacks.



A lot of equipment was lost there

- said the landowner, who wished to remain anonymous. According to him, in the Zaporozhye direction, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost many German Marder infantry fighting vehicles and American Stryker armored vehicles, to which the command transferred air assault units.

According to the latest data coming from the front line, assault groups of Ukrainian Armed Forces units are increasingly going on the attack without armored vehicles, which leads to their complete destruction due to the impossibility of quick evacuation from the battlefield. In addition, sanitary losses have increased; the wounded abandoned on the battlefield are not transported, but die without medical care. The nearby forest plantations are literally filled with corpses of Ukrainian soldiers, some of them have been lying there for a very long time.

The General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine indirectly confirmed the large losses in armored vehicles, stating that the Ukrainian army is currently using the tactics of attacks in small groups without infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, as well as armored vehicles, which supposedly allows for “faster advancement” without regard to the weather and soil conditions.
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  1. +2
    24 September 2023 07: 00
    Military experience is a great thing.. The Americans refused to further modernize the M1 tank.. Although this is inaccurate.
    1. -6
      24 September 2023 07: 18
      Military experience is a great thing.
      If we returned to the trench warfare of the First World War, then we can expect the return of cavalry, and then it will come down to archers with spears. Maybe the Americans were the first to see where progress was going and realized that tanks are a thing of the past? lol
      1. 0
        24 September 2023 07: 37
        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
        and then it will come down to archers with spears

        Perhaps war chariots with elephants will appear... wink
        1. 0
          24 September 2023 08: 18
          And best of all is the phalanx. A phalangist does not need to be trained for a long time. Learn to walk in formation and go straight into battle.
          1. +2
            24 September 2023 08: 58
            And best of all is the phalanx.
            ...no...it’s easier to defeat the phalanx...in a square of hands it’s just right...in a square of hands you can change the configuration...although horseradish is not sweeter than radish
            1. -2
              24 September 2023 11: 15
              Explain the difference between a phalanx and a square. Geography and history have nothing to do with it
          2. +7
            24 September 2023 09: 19
            And best of all is the phalanx. A phalangist does not need to be trained for a long time. Learn to walk in formation and go straight into battle.

            I imagine a phalanx in a dense minefield
            1. +2
              24 September 2023 14: 32
              I imagine a phalanx in a dense minefield
              So we are on tiptoes...or you can put on skis so as not to put too much pressure on the mine. lol laughing
    2. 0
      24 September 2023 07: 26
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      Military experience is a great thing..Amerzians refused to further modernize the M1 tank.. Although this is inaccurate.

      Already for sure. On the next branch. They will create from 0, like the Europeans, like the Armata with an uninhabited tower. request
  2. +6
    24 September 2023 07: 09
    The area around two villages, which have been stormed by Ukrainian Armed Forces units for a long time, has turned into a graveyard of armored vehicles, mainly of Western origin.
    Finally, the time has come when the Western media, albeit through their lips, are forced to admit the real state of affairs. The praises of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and stories about an imminent “victory” are being replaced by objective reality.
  3. +4
    24 September 2023 07: 12
    The Nazis are turning the entire ruin into a large cemetery.
  4. -20
    24 September 2023 07: 15
    "
    The area around the villages of Rabotino and Verbovoye has turned into a “graveyard for armored vehicles” of Western production
    That’s why in the title of the article there is only a photo with a massive accumulation of damaged Western armored vehicles almost six months ago, with the persistence of idiots, repeated from article to article? Nu-nu.. Who taught you to wage information wars like that? Are you self-taught? bully Proofs, gentlemen, proofs... And I can say that I beat Tyson to death...
    1. +10
      24 September 2023 07: 37
      That’s why in the title of the article there is only a photo with a massive accumulation of damaged Western armored vehicles almost six months ago, with the persistence of idiots, repeated from article to article? Nu-nu.. Who taught you to wage information wars like that? Are you self-taught? bully Proofs, gentlemen, proofs... And I can also say that I beat Tyson to death...

      This is not propaganda or a photo report. The author gave a short general overview of the state of affairs. If you need ponds on the Internet, you can enjoy this in bulk, you are our bloodthirsty one. wink
      1. -11
        24 September 2023 09: 53
        Of course it’s not propaganda)) with such a photo..... On the Internet I’m looking for fields with the carcasses of shredded Bradleys and leopards.. Or I can’t even find “outdated” M-113s.. Although I’m trying in the fall.. Both in Russian and in in English, both with and without vpn.. No. So here it is.. But, apparently, I really hurt the trolls with my post) gentlemen, they downvoted it painfully quickly and efficiently...
        1. +4
          24 September 2023 10: 40
          Quote: tchoni
          But, apparently, I, gentlemen, touched a sore point with the trolls with my post) they downvoted it painfully quickly and efficiently...

          He seems to be a grown boy, but his childhood is in his head, like that of a first-grader.
          1. -8
            24 September 2023 12: 29
            Oh.. How pleasant your comment is.. Looks like some megatroll was deprived of his bonus for blatant incompetence))) Maybe after this he’ll throw out the old manual and start thinking anew. So the question about proofs remains)
            1. +5
              24 September 2023 13: 40
              Are you now demanding proof from the author of an article from The Washington Post? Then why are you throwing arrows here? Go to the source and demand it there.
              1. -2
                26 September 2023 06: 12
                Dude, I didn’t just find proof in the Washington Post - I couldn’t find the article itself)))
    2. 0
      24 September 2023 20: 49
      Demand proof from The Washington Post, their material, don’t bother digging through the comments under the text. And yes, you will answer for Tyson, a pro (from the word layman) with a twit.
  5. +5
    24 September 2023 07: 23
    It has become deadly dangerous to move in large columns near the LBS... reconnaissance UAVs quickly arrive and artillery immediately covers the accumulations of equipment and manpower with a massive raid. request
    The war has changed... what Changes will inevitably have to be made to the previous military regulations... it will no longer be possible to fight the old fashioned way.
    Russia needs a modern army of a completely new type...after the Northern Military District there will be a debriefing in all areas of combat operations.
    1. +2
      24 September 2023 07: 44
      Russia needs a modern army of a completely new type...after the Northern Military District there will be a debriefing in all areas of combat operations.

      The analysis is already in full swing. Personally, it seems to me that wars of this scale have returned again to the times of the First World War of Position. Because defending has become much easier than attacking. To attack, you need to accumulate forces; at current levels, intelligence is revealed quickly and the distance for weapons does not matter.
      1. -9
        24 September 2023 12: 31
        For those who know how to fight, nothing has happened to the First World War) We remember the staffers in Iraq and envy their competence) and it’s going a hundred times - so at the same pace and with such information trolling as you, it will go on for another hundred years... On the spot, though staying)
        1. +3
          24 September 2023 19: 55
          For those who know how to fight, nothing has happened to the First World War) We remember the staffers in Iraq and envy their competence) and it’s going a hundred times - so at the same pace and with such information trolling as you, it will go on for another hundred years... On the spot, though staying)

          Please correct your text, otherwise it is difficult to understand the meaning.
          Are you selling the war between the US-led coalition and Iraq as an example? A state that had an army with weapons from the 60s and 70s? A state that lacked military production and, accordingly, repairs?
          An army that had virtually no air defense?
          An army that buried tanks and planes in the sand and fled after the first strikes?
          1. -3
            25 September 2023 08: 51
            My friend, please don’t change the concept) otherwise they will misunderstand you. The Gulf War was in '91. The coalition fought against a very strong Iraqi army with almost 10 years of experience in modern warfare. Yes, yes.. All of Hussein’s commanders had combat experience. But not all of them in the coalition? Are the weapons old? Have mercy! New, sir, for those times. T-72 - high tech of that time. Like the T-90 now. What can I say - the coalition itself used the M-60... And they
            T-62 are the same age. Aviation - Hussein had a full openwork... At least 300 aircraft (this is if you count pure fighters, and if IBA is added here - then 700) flight crew - for the most part with combat experience. Many fighters had victories.. Several aces - more than 5 personal victories.. Of those 300 machines - at least a third - high-tech for those times, MiG-29, MiG-25, Fresh modifications of the 23rd. Mirages. All this did not even last 20 years in service. In terms of relative level - not new, sir, but very serviceable - it corresponded to our Su-35. And the rest of the fleet is mostly fresh modifications of vehicles that entered service about 30 years ago.. Air defense is great. The complexes may not be entirely new, but they have fresh modifications. Average age - 20 years The air defense control system was modernized in 85-86 with the involvement of French specialists. The personnel are entirely with combat experience. Skilled, knowledgeable and more than once shot down enemy vehicles.. Army aviation - the newest crocodiles at that time. What else do you need? What did the Ukrainians have on February 24th? Two hundred thousand each with a very limited experience of local conflict... Have the T-64 tanks been in service for fifty years? S-300, the youngest of which is 40 years old? Beeches of the same age? One and a half hundred "litaks", including training, attack aircraft and IBA with an average age of 40 years? And after that you appeal to the weakness of the Iraqi army.. Wake up.. And don’t mislead people. And remember that that conflict took place 30 years ago, which is longer than the period between the First and Second World Wars
            1. +1
              25 September 2023 13: 13
              My friend, please don’t change the concept) otherwise they will misunderstand you.

              Don't you understand what you mean?
              In the Iraqi army, more than 60% of tanks were T-56s; there were not many T-72s.
              The air defense system was extremely outdated, and the Air Force had mainly Mig-21bis and about a dozen Mig-25s (the Mig-25 was the only Iraqi aircraft that was able to achieve an aerial victory over the F-18).
              I agree with military experience; it is partly more correct to say that the troops were fired upon. It’s not that they weren’t ready for the war that the United States would impose; they had nothing to respond to.
              Although the army was the fourth largest in the world in terms of numbers, its quality level was low. The state whose economy was in a deplorable state could not provide an army.
              As a result, the air campaign of the multinational force came as a complete surprise to the Iraqi leadership. Hussein expected the coalition to launch a ground operation virtually immediately and become bogged down in war. However, the air phase of the campaign lasted 39 days. During this time, coalition aircraft carried out up to 110 thousand sorties (84% were from the United States), dropping 88,5 thousand tons of ammunition (75% American), including 6,5 thousand tons of precision-guided (American - 90%).
              Then, having gained undivided air supremacy, the second stage began - the ground operation.
              The second stage was not so flawless for the coalition; at this stage, the coalition troops began to suffer their first combat losses, although these were mainly mine explosions. However, the coalition ground forces were strikingly more modern, tanks and infantry fighting vehicles had thermal imagers, a better fire control system, and it was there that the system for positioning troops on the battlefield was tested.
              Within a month, the entire group was crushed from the air.
              In 2003 it was even worse.
              1. -2
                25 September 2023 18: 11
                T-56... Excellent.. It’s immediately obvious that they studied the subject. T-54 and T-55 at the start of the Gulf War were younger than the Ukrainian T-64, T-72 and T-80 and made up less than a third of the Iraqi tank fleet. In addition, they are still fighting as part of the RF Armed Forces and... They receive good reviews))) They say that its armor-piercing blank is very good, just like Bradley)) (if you understand what the joke is about)) like the T-62, which, one might say, formed the basis.. And was a very confident middle peasant.. The car was in service for only about twenty-five years.. (Not 50, like the T-64 and other Ukrainian tanks) MiG 25.. 45 were transferred. Plus, they also conveyed something else there.. So Huzain had about 40 workers.. For half a paycheck.. The machine had only been flying for about 20 years at that point... Of these, only the Su-35 (relatively speaking, because it is a modification of the 27th ).. Mig -29, two complete standard sets, plus combat training and spare vehicles.. In general, the contract was for more than 100 units... The machine is new.. First flight in 76, if my memory serves me right... About 10 years ago weapons began to arrive in the USSR) in terms of age, only the F-35 is suitable as an analogue.. And the MiG 23? More than a hundred sides.. A car from the early seventies.. Created based on a phantom. It was only in service for about 20 years, and quite modern modifications were coming to Iraq.. What the hell.. Even more than 3 hundred MiG 21s were younger than any of the Skaklov pilots and only stood in service for about 30 years. And you say.. And the Ukrainians have fighters - two regiments of 30 vehicles each. 30 Su-27 30 MiG-29.. Manufactured in the eighties..
              2. -2
                25 September 2023 19: 53
                In terms of air defense, everything is fine. Even the oldest Iraqi S-75 was 91 years younger than the youngest Khokhlyatsky S-300.. With all the consequences.. And besides them there were S125 squares and other younger complexes, including wasps and rolands.. Yes, and there were enough MANPADS in the Iraqi army.. So you don’t need to write to me the percentage of sorties... They have nothing to say... Just tell me why we can’t do this.. And against a much weaker enemy than Sadam?
                1. +1
                  25 September 2023 20: 25
                  Once again you describe to me the number and characteristics of Saddam’s weapons.
                  Firstly, the power of the Iraqi army was undermined by the 8-year war and the pre-default state of the country. That's why Saddam got into this adventure with Kuwait.
                  Secondly, they were not prepared for the fact that the coalition would “take away” their radar and air defense systems with the first massive strikes of the Kyrgyz Republic. The Air Force has gone blind. Then, within three weeks, with complete air supremacy, they crushed the armored forces of the Iraqi Armed Forces. Therefore, there were practically no air or ground battles. The Iraqi Armed Forces were destroyed confidently, as if in a shooting gallery, from afar.
                  In Ukraine, everything happened differently. Starting from the setting of strategic objectives, ending with an error in assessing both the forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the actions of the West.
                  1. -2
                    27 September 2023 08: 10
                    The power of the Iraqi army was STRENGTHENED by this war, because it allowed this very army to gain experience that few people in the world had at that time. And modernize the armed forces in accordance with it.
                    And I don’t need to talk about “destroyed at a shooting range and from afar”... The Americans spent about 700 tomahawks during the entire war in the Gulf.. And we, against a quantitatively 4 times smaller (compared to Sadam’s troops) enemy and several times smaller in quality ( the same troops of Sadam) of the inferior enemy spent more than 2000.... not counting all sorts of "geraniums" .. These are completely innumerable...
                    Starting from the setting of strategic objectives, ending with an error in assessing both the forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the actions of the West.
                    So I say that for those who know how to fight, the positional crisis of the First World War does not threaten.. And the ability to fight is based, first of all, on an adequate assessment and DEEP understanding of both the enemy’s capabilities and one’s own.. And not in “yelling” at the Internet and not in driving parades.
                    1. +2
                      27 September 2023 19: 11
                      You seem to understand from what you read only what you want to understand.
                      The Iraqi army was not stronger than Ukraine. Quantity does not mean quality. They did not modernize because there was no money.
                      Experience, yes, they had a positional war with Iran for 8 years.
                      Two wars showed that two armies fought close in power and were not comparable.
                      Read the archives of these two wars. The entire ability of the United States to fight was the lack of air defense in Iraq.
                      1. -2
                        28 September 2023 09: 13
                        In my opinion, you are shifting this from a sore head to a healthy one and are completely unwilling to listen to what they tell you and admit the obvious... Despite all the figures I gave... You continue to claim that Iraq did not have air defense..... feel I’m afraid only the Iranians, who left under two hundred of their air defense vehicles in that air defense, will not agree with you... hi And the gentlemen from the coalition, who left about a hundred manned vehicles and the same number of unmanned ones there, will fully support them in this bully I’ll tell you a small secret... The secret of the coalition’s victory lies in more than a year of preparation for the operation.. During which the air defense system was opened, countermeasures were selected during real, and not for show, exercises, methods of overcoming were worked out, effective electronic warfare measures were developed.. The grains were separated from the chaff (deceptions from real goals), the political ground was being prepared, that same coalition was being formed... So you are right... The ability to command is everything... It’s just given to some... And to some it is not... And, surprisingly , they don’t even want to train...
                      2. 0
                        29 September 2023 08: 23
                        I'm tired of arguing with your sick head.
                        https://topwar.ru/62817-voyna-nevyuchennyh-urokov.html
                        https://dzen.ru/a/YBVeTH_QpTkPDop9
                        https://obrazovanie-gid.ru/pereskazy1/vojna-v-persidskom-zalive-1990-1991-kratko.html
                        And the gentlemen from the coalition, who left about a hundred manned vehicles and the same number of unmanned ones there, will fully support them in this

                        Now cite your sources.
                        Especially about unmanned ones.
                        I’m afraid only the Iranians, who left under two hundred of their air defense vehicles in that area, will not agree with you.

                        Did the Iranians have missiles at least similar in performance characteristics to Tomahawks or aircraft using stealth technology?
                      3. -2
                        29 September 2023 09: 03
                        Well.. The arguments are over... The argument is lost. All that remains is to minus out of spite.. But I will minus you too))
                        Even the pro-American Wikipedia will confirm the losses of the coalition) Can you find the article yourself? Or send me the link?
                        The Iranians had a lot of things... Including Tomcat fighters (exactly the same as those of the coalition)
                        aircraft using stealth technology?
                        and whose “non-Orthodox” and “ineffective” stealth tactics did you remember? They “easily” detect meter range radars.. “And are not effective at all”.... By the way, Iraq had radars capable of seeing stealth....
                        But, by the way, in the ranks of our valiant aviation, I don’t see anything about stealth, and I haven’t yet heard about night strikes on the Dnieper bridges (what are bridges?. At concentration points in the front line and that) with their help.... and the five times greater number of cruise missiles (compared to the Americans in the Gulf) that we have launched does not help us much so far..
                        By the way, about the birds... We haven’t been able to resolve the issue with Ukrainian drones for a year and a half... - And this, I apologize, is one, if not the most important, reason for the current impasse...
    2. -4
      24 September 2023 07: 44
      Ha, will it be - this debriefing? Or most of the experience gained will be forgotten, so as not to disturb high ranks to rest peacefully without straining their brains from their caps. And we’ll fall back into showmanship, biathlons, parades, even if such a prospect is more realistic.
      1. +7
        24 September 2023 08: 07
        And we’ll fall back into showing off, biathlons, parades,
        Well, why are you attached to biathlon and parades, what’s wrong with that? Or are you against parades on Victory Day, then say so and it will become clear to everyone who you are for. Why don’t you like tank biathlon, like regular army competitions? Why has no one ever criticized such air training battles, where the combat qualities of aircraft and pilots are compared? The tank biathlon has given in to you, but what's wrong with it? Or will you start repeating about window dressing to the detriment of the development and production of tank building? Well, it’s complete stupidity and why do you go along with it, or can’t you tell flies from cutlets? Criticize tank building as much as you like, but what prevented you from competitions in shooting and driving tanks?
        1. -10
          24 September 2023 10: 01
          “but what prevented you from competitions in shooting and driving tanks?”///
          ---
          Because in war tanks don’t move like that and don’t
          They shoot like in a biathlon.
          Biathlon actually leads to the death of tanks and their crews in a real war.
          1. +1
            24 September 2023 13: 53
            Because in war tanks don’t move like that and don’t shoot like they do in biathlon.
            And that’s probably why rarely anyone hits targets... But at real training grounds, everything is different, and there, if you try to miss or miss a puddle, you’ll immediately get an outfit out of turn.
            Why demand from a sporting competition something that only happens in a real war? Let's start comparing ski biathlon to a soldier shooting at targets at a shooting range. Are you in favor of biathletes running in boots with foot wraps and helmets?
        2. -5
          24 September 2023 10: 42
          Yes, against this biathlon. If the billions and billions spent on it from the already not luxurious military budget had gone to the same drones, then this issue would not have to be resolved in an emergency mode. After all, this is not even God knows what kind of innovation, before our eyes there were the Americans who were intensively saturating the troops with unmanned aerial vehicles of various classes, and even the Turks, but our leaders preferred not to pay attention. The result is thanks to China for MAVIKI and components for the “unparalleled” ones. And do you, dear one, know how many hours are spent on this drill? And I remember how they chased us around the parade ground, so that we walked in step, so that we kept alignment in the ranks, and this was in the Border Troops in 94, they did this crap. For the first FOUR months of service, we did not leave the parade ground - snow removal, drill, marching in formation. Well, several times at the shooting range. This nonsense stopped only after the start of the First Chechen War, two months later. And not much has changed - you probably saw the video of how the mobs were indignant that they were not being trained specifically for combat operations, but again only for combat - so what? It was the mobilized man’s fault for being indignant, and not the mug in colonel’s uniform for sending untrained soldiers to slaughter. And you're talking about high things here. No time for fat.
          1. +1
            24 September 2023 14: 00
            If only the billions and billions spent on it
            This is not what you want to save money on. Here is at least some training in shooting and driving a tank. And when our oligarchs have yachts at the price of a cruiser or they bring with them a dismantled stone church from Russia for a wedding on the French Riviera... I won’t say anything about our football players with millions in salaries... Oh, save on the wrong things, colleague!
          2. 0
            24 September 2023 14: 04
            So let's dispossess the football players then. They don’t know how to play anyway, and you can get much more money from them for the SVO than from tank biathletes))
        3. +3
          24 September 2023 13: 20
          Or are you against parades on Victory Day, then say so and it will become clear to everyone who you are for
          Let's figure out "who are YOU for") Have you ever taken part in the preparation of such a parade? No? I highly recommend it.. A most interesting experience! From the end of February, in the unit taking part in such a parade, all combat and training work collapses for the simple reason that the personnel begin to actively learn to march or remember how to do it, who has forgotten since cadet times.. Then from mid-April everyone goes to Moscow.. They train there.. And all this with equipment, the transportation of which is expensive and during training which consumes USELESSLY (I emphasize this in bold and bold) expensive fuel and engine life. Let us remember that it is not just anyone who participates in parades, but units, let’s say, “guards”... As a result of the parade, we have a whole quarter erased from combat work and training of these very best units, motor resources wasted on this activity (which will then be saved on real combat training and work) as a result, it turns out that the parade caused enormous damage to the combat effectiveness of the units and formations involved. Fine? Are you for showing off at the expense of business? - then you are definitely not for us. And if we add to this the holding of similar events at the regional level, the damage to combat effectiveness turns out to be enormous. The same considerations apply to "biathlon"... A tank is not a Formula 1 car and not a movie car - Rambo. In real combat use, completely different laws apply. No one requires it to be loaded at speed before a battle.. In battle, there is no need to skid along the intersection.. But it is necessary to plan the advance competently.. It is necessary to conduct engineering reconnaissance.. It is necessary to work out interaction with assigned units. Evacuation from a damaged car is necessary. To re-protect the tank using available means - and that’s necessary.. And if the crew was doing biathlon, when should they learn the rest? Or do you know many biathlete heroes?
          1. +2
            24 September 2023 14: 09
            Have you ever taken part in the preparation of such a parade? No? I highly recommend it..
            I'm ready! Where should I go with your recommendation? Let's save money on the Eternal Flame in many cities and again disband Honor Watches of schoolchildren at the Flame. Why mock children like this and force them to stand in the rain and cold? This is window dressing in your opinion... So the Victory Parade, it turns out, brought down all military training in the country and ruined the budget... lol Let’s elect commanders in the army at a general meeting fellow
            1. 0
              24 September 2023 19: 55
              Yes, even to the Voronezh Aviation University. Participate regularly. Yes, there are many places you can go... To any military unit. For a contract. Nowadays, even with those who have not served, they conclude... If you don’t immediately leave for the ribbon, then at least you will be harnessed to the local parade... Get such a coveted experience.
      2. +5
        24 September 2023 08: 26
        Ha, will it be - this debriefing? Or most of the experience gained will be forgotten, so as not to disturb high ranks to rest peacefully without straining their brains from their caps. And we’ll fall back into showmanship, biathlons, parades, even if such a prospect is more realistic.

        Analysis is underway, but for us non-specialists, no one will explain it clearly now, then popularizer-analysts may write.
        Regarding the competitions, I don’t understand why you got into them. I took part in competitions at various levels, I don’t regret it at all, there is a huge exchange of experience, large masses of people are involved.
      3. 0
        24 September 2023 09: 44
        You’re using an outdated manual...”about TV biathlon” - the liberals and I really didn’t like this beautiful advertisement for the Russian Armed Forces.. he’s a carnival convict for a long time and his memes live on.
      4. 0
        24 September 2023 12: 41
        let's fall back into showing off, biathlons, parades,

        Both biathlon and parades are needed. Another thing is that not only biathlon and parades, but also modern equipment in sufficient quantities and more advanced tactics. In general, as it is written in the Gospel, the truth is on a different point: you need to do this and not abandon it.
    3. +1
      24 September 2023 07: 58
      .after the SVO there will be a debriefing

      By and large, nothing will happen. 1 and then 2 Chechen companies as there was no decent connection and now many participants in the SVO are saying this.
      1. +2
        24 September 2023 08: 08
        and now many SVO participants are saying this.
        ..yeah...but on a smartphone it’s easy...the wave works great in connection with the SVO..and even in a video session
      2. +1
        24 September 2023 08: 19
        just as there was no decent connection, there still isn’t, and now many SVO participants are saying this.

        The army fights with what the state and industry provide. If back in 90 they said that we were 20 years behind in electronics, then what should we talk about? Industry can create complex “one-piece” products, but there are no mass-produced ones as a means of communication.
        1. -2
          24 September 2023 09: 02
          Industry can create complex “one-piece” products, but there are no mass-produced ones as a means of communication.
          ....hey my dear...well, for example, BK phones are Russian and are widely used in everyday life...for example, I have had BKashka for the sixth year...the battery is normal..so no need to talk nonsense
          1. +2
            24 September 2023 19: 47
            ....hey my ra...well, for example, phones

            Translate.
            ...BK phones are Russian and common in everyday life...for example, I’ve had BKashka for six years now...the battery is fine..so no need to talk nonsense

            I'm behind the times, it seems, is BK's phone number Russian? I’ll say right away that the processor is from the Chinese company MediaTek, the display is also made. So sorry, not a correct example.
      3. -2
        24 September 2023 14: 22
        as there was no decent connection and no
        I take full responsibility for this shortcoming... Well, I didn’t have the intelligence, even after graduating from the Institute of Communications, to develop decent communications for the army. Apparently, he studied poorly and did not master all digital communication technologies. And he seemed to understand that there was not enough of her in the troops, but he turned out to be dumb as a felt boot and the matter did not move further than understanding. I want to shoot myself, I’m so ashamed of myself. request
    4. +1
      24 September 2023 09: 24
      It has become deadly dangerous to move in large columns near the LBS... reconnaissance UAVs quickly arrive and artillery immediately covers the accumulations of equipment and manpower with a massive raid. request
      The war has changed...


      Yes. This is nothing like the First World War.
      Artillery remained the god of war. Just added accuracy, range and drones in target designation + kamikaze drones.
  6. -3
    24 September 2023 08: 04
    Quote: private person
    By and large, nothing will happen. 1 and then 2 Chechen companies as there was no decent connection and now many SVO participants are saying this

    I'm still an optimist smile, after the Crimean War of 1853-56, the rotten tsarist regime was forced to change the army.
    The current situation with the Northern Military District is in some way reminiscent of what it was two centuries ago.
    If Putin is able to admit his mistakes, he must understand that it is no longer possible to fight as before...otherwise defeat in the war with NATO with the ensuing consequences for it will be inevitable.
  7. -14
    24 September 2023 08: 51
    Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
    And we’ll fall back into showing off, biathlons, parades,
    Well, why are you attached to biathlon and parades, what’s wrong with that? Or are you against parades on Victory Day, then say so and it will become clear to everyone who you are for.

    The parades became annual on May 19, 1995, when the victorious country had not actually existed for several years. Under Soviet rule, it was carried out once every 20 years. Probably the secret accomplices of imperialism in the Soviet government wanted to belittle the role of the Soviet people in the victory over Nazi Germany and undermine moral foundations, nothing less.

    There is no coincidence here - in 95. there was a frank attempt to cling to achievements to which the society and government of that time had nothing to do with the masses. Soviet people from 45 to 65 simply did not need to remind themselves of the war once a year, and there was no need to convince themselves of their greatness and historical significance either. Now it is clear that there is such a need from the point of view of those in power.
    1. +4
      24 September 2023 09: 19
      Under Soviet rule, once every 20 years they carried out

      Hmmm, even that didn’t work out well. And how is it that I, born on the 74th and until the 95th, attended Victory Day parades several times?
      And what is this date May 19th?
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        24 September 2023 10: 23
        You obviously attended the November 7 parades, which were held annually during Soviet times. Until the end of the 60s there were still May Day parades. In 1965, instead of the May Day parade, there was a May 9 parade. Parades were also held on May 9 in 1985 and 1990.
        1. 0
          24 September 2023 12: 59
          Have you read the TASS article? Well then, my friend has strange mathematics. Between 1985 and 1990 he somehow fit in 20 years.
    2. 0
      24 September 2023 10: 20
      Parades were held annually on November 7, and until the end of the 60s on May 1.
      1. 0
        24 September 2023 13: 01
        On the first of May, not parades but demonstrations were held. You should know that your year of birth is not much different from mine.
        1. 0
          24 September 2023 19: 11
          Demonstrations were also held on November 7, along with parades. I just know this question well. May Day parades were held until 1968. The last May Day parade was on May 1, 1968; since 1969, they began to be held once, on November 7. Plus in 1985 and 1990 there were May 9 parades. In 1965, instead of May Day, the parade was held on May 9. If you wish, you can double-check this information.
    3. +1
      24 September 2023 12: 33
      Soviet people from 45 to 65 simply did not need to remind themselves of the war once a year, and there was no need to convince themselves of their greatness and historical significance either.

      You wrote this correctly, but you drew the wrong conclusion: this is not an attempt to show off (the government did not shout that it was they who won), but precisely so that it is not forgotten who was the winner of the Second World War and who made a decisive contribution to the victory over fascism . And this reminder is needed: most amers believe that they defeated Germany, and even some of the French consider themselves to be victors, and the youth of Japan are sure that it was the USSR that dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
  8. -3
    24 September 2023 09: 19
    A lot of equipment was lost there

    Informative information from the "commanders of the airborne assault unit fighting in this direction"
  9. -2
    24 September 2023 09: 40
    Quote: Coward
    Under Soviet rule, once every 20 years they carried out

    Hmmm, even that didn’t work out well. And how is it that I, born on the 74th and until the 95th, attended Victory Day parades several times?
    And what is this date May 19th?

    Several times is 2? At 85 and 90?
    The first Victory Parade on Red Square took place on June 24, 1945. Between 1948 and 1964, Victory Day was not officially celebrated. The second parade dedicated to the victory in the Great Patriotic War took place on May 9, 1965. The next Victory Parade took place on May 9, 1985, on the 40th anniversary of the Victory. The last Soviet parade was the parade on May 9, 1990. On May 19, 1995, the federal law “On the perpetuation of the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945” was adopted. In accordance with the document, military parades involving weapons and military equipment, using copies of the Victory Banner began to be held ANNUALLY on May 9. All.
    1. +1
      24 September 2023 10: 27
      Just a small correction. Victory Day was celebrated from 1948 to 1964, various kinds of events were held in schools, work collectives, festive concerts were broadcast on TV and radio, and there were programs with war participants. But this day was not a day off. Workers have events in the evening, schoolchildren and students have events during the day.
  10. +1
    24 September 2023 09: 48
    Western technology is good, but the main thing here is the number of recycled banderlogs. The announced loss figures in the counterattack alone are encouraging. The West is ready to participate in this war only financially. They will not send their citizens into this meat grinder, and the foolish mercenaries from Poland and Latin America will soon run out. The mobilization resource of the pig farmer has not yet been exhausted, but is already close to this state. Solntsepki, FAB with umpk, Tornado, help us.
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  12. -1
    24 September 2023 13: 18
    Quote: Poplar
    Soviet people from 45 to 65 simply did not need to remind themselves of the war once a year, and there was no need to convince themselves of their greatness and historical significance either.

    You wrote this correctly, but you drew the wrong conclusion: this is not an attempt to show off (the government did not shout that it was they who won), but precisely so that it is not forgotten who was the winner of the Second World War and who made a decisive contribution to the victory over fascism . And this reminder is needed: most amers believe that they defeated Germany, and even some of the French consider themselves to be victors, and the youth of Japan are sure that it was the USSR that dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    I am at a loss as to how an annual domestic political event can inspire anything in a foreigner, for example, the average American, for whom everything outside the continental 48 states is inhabited by psiglavians and other fantastic creatures. The decision taken then had purely internal reasons.

    By the way, the Japanese know very well who dropped the bombs on them. I don’t know what the crazy claim that the Japanese are blaming the USSR for the nuclear bombing is based on.
  13. 0
    24 September 2023 20: 19
    And the West turned civilian equipment on the territory of Donbass into a cemetery.
    Today they complained again - they say they hit buses and construction equipment...
    It’s time for the leaders of populated areas to understand that from SPACE from above it is not visible what kind of equipment it is.
    They see the cluster and GIVE THE COORDINATES, that's all!
  14. 0
    25 September 2023 17: 06
    I saw this photo about 3 months ago. Something fresher would be nice.
    Why did they gather in a bunch? So did they advance? Or was it stolen for a photo?
    “Do you have a question? Yes!....There are no answers.” (c)
  15. 0
    28 September 2023 16: 30
    In heavy rain, it is better to run through mud without shoes. Perhaps rogues will take note of this life hack.