A Russian fighter said that a group of reconnaissance officers of the Russian Armed Forces knocked out a Leopard tank with a crew from the Bundeswehr

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There is further evidence that mercenaries from NATO countries are fighting on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the combat zone. Moreover, often these are not simple mercenaries, but so-called “vacationers” - career military personnel of the armies of the countries of the Western military bloc.

Information Service RIA News publishes the testimony of a Russian soldier participating in battles in the Orekhovsky direction in the Zaporozhye region. The serviceman has the call sign “Legend”.

According to him, the army intelligence unit of the Russian Armed Forces knocked out a Leopard tank with the help of an ATGM. After striking tank, a group of Russian intelligence officers advanced towards this tank with the task of “taking the tongue.” When they gained access to the interior of the tank, the surviving driver began shouting in German “Don’t shoot” (“Nicht shissen”).

“Legend” noted that the remaining crew members were killed, and the wounded driver repeatedly stated that he was not just a “volunteer” or a mercenary, but a member of the Bundeswehr and therefore had a special status.

The material claims that the German soldier received medical assistance, he reported the location of his brigade and that the entire crew of the tank was made up of Bundeswehr soldiers.

Military Review can currently neither confirm nor deny this information. To date, the official channels of the Russian Ministry of Defense have not published any video materials with a captured German soldier. In this regard, it is worth waiting for the appearance of such footage and more detailed information about the crew of the Leopard, which was shot down in the Zaporozhye region.

Comments

[poquello]

maybe true, but probably "the batteries are out"

[NNikolaich]

Of course I would like it to be true, but if there was a German crew there, what would be the point?
This is a “strange military operation”, the logic here is different, if there really were Krauts there, then this is just some kind of reason for another bargaining or another deal, and what to roll out to present is NO-NO..:))

[poquello]

Quote: NNikolaich

This is a “strange military operation”, the logic here is different, if there really were Krauts there, then this is just some kind of reason for another bargaining or another deal, and what to roll out to present is NO-NO..:))

what's the point? and it’s clear who is fighting with whom

[Revolver]

Quote: poquello

what's the point? and it’s clear who is fighting with whom

Nobody is at war with anyone. Well, it’s clear that the Russian Federation has not yet come to war, and what is being done is the North Caucasian Military District, and not at all a war. But Zelensky, who for any reason and for no reason talks about Russia’s aggressive war against the all-white and fluffy Ukraine, has also not yet officially declared war.
Accordingly, German or any other “vacationers” formally do not take part in any war. True, they dispose there not formally, but in fact. As they said in a very old Jewish joke, “They hit you not on your passport, but on your face.”

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Nagan

The Russian Federation has not yet come to war, and what is being done is the North Caucasian Military District, and is by no means a war. But Zelensky... also has not officially declared war yet..

Just now someone very close to me was stopped at the border one very “independent” country and asked: how do you feel about the war? - What war? - Well, Russia versus Ukraine. Answer: - Explain to me who declared war on whom drove the border guards into a dead end - they don’t tell this kind of thing
Still, “vacationers” have nothing to do there: mercenaries have no rights...

[Reptiloid]

Quote: NNikolaich

Of course I would like it to be true, but if there was a German crew there, what would be the point? ....

And they knew before that Scholz was lying when he said that he was not a party to the conflict. And now there is living confirmation. Or that --- the taxpayers themselves send the tanks, the vacationers themselves go there, and Scholz only mourns the Leopards and begs not to destroy them? Let him cry some more! The liver sausage is rotten.

[blackGRAIL]

Didn’t the Soviet Union supply weapons to North Korea and North Vietnam (and on a scale hundreds of times greater than Western supplies to Ukraine)? Weren't our pilots and air defense crews there? But no one in the United States thought (in fact, they thought in the Korean War) to consider the USSR or China as a party to the conflict.

[Reptiloid]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

Didn’t the Soviet Union supply weapons to North Korea and North Vietnam (and on a scale hundreds of times greater than Western supplies to Ukraine)? ....no one thought.....to count..

I was surprised by this too. But at that time there was no such technology, information as there is now..... Diplomacy was also different.

[svp67]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

Didn’t the Soviet Union supply weapons to North Korea and North Vietnam (and on a scale hundreds of times greater than Western supplies to Ukraine)? Weren't our pilots and air defense crews there? But no one in the United States thought (in fact, they thought in the Korean War) to consider the USSR or China as a party to the conflict.

We didn't start this. Remember how purposefully Ukraine and the “West” made Russia a “party to the conflict” ... now there is simply a “response”

[poquello]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

Didn’t the Soviet Union supply weapons to North Korea and North Vietnam (and on a scale hundreds of times greater than Western supplies to Ukraine)? Weren't our pilots and air defense crews there? But no one in the United States thought (in fact, they thought in the Korean War) to consider the USSR or China as a party to the conflict.

))))))))))) and the events there took place on the border of the United States?

[blackGRAIL]

How does this relate specifically to the term “party to the conflict”?

[poquello]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

How does this relate specifically to the term “party to the conflict”?

not related, right? Kennedy almost started a nuclear war out of fear

[blackGRAIL]

The Cold War did not become hot because its participants did not declare each other parties to the conflict.

[SIT]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

But no one in the United States thought (in fact, they thought in the Korean War) to consider the USSR or China as a party to the conflict.

This is why the Americans bombed a Soviet airfield in Primorye and shot down the Soviet LI2, on which our officers were flying on vacation?

[Grancer81]

Both the USSR and the PRC were considered a party to the conflict in the USA....

[barbiturate]

But did any Mexicans (for example) fire at Los Angeles, Phoenix, Houston with Soviet weapons with the participation of Soviet officers? And the USSR openly considered the issue of providing the same Mexicans with longer-range weapons, so that they could reach San Francisco, Las Vegas or Norfolk, for example? What do Korea and Vietnam have to do with it? In your opinion, if ours overwhelm the French military in Niger, then they will have every right to burn down a residential area somewhere in Belgorod or destroy a skyscraper in Moscow.
You’d better look at Kennedy’s example - with only one threat of an effective strike on the United States from Cuba at that time, he clearly stated, either nuclear war or remove the missiles. This is democracy.

[rocket757]

And yet, the fog of war + Soda folklore is a reality and only official statements supported by facts can dispel it.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

And yet, the fog of war + Soda folklore is a reality and only official statements supported by facts can dispel it.

Our fellows! No matter what ----- these are all Nazis and Russophobes, no matter what language they speak.

[rocket757]

Everything is complicated/simple!
Defending your homeland is understandable, that’s the only way it should be done.
Fighting for someone else's interests is not right.
It's difficult to figure out what's what and why... it happens.
A person is given a head to think!
Everything is complicated when the brainless crowd goes where they are being led... to slaughter, as an option.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

..... the brainless crowd goes where they are being led... to slaughter, as an option.

That's what we're talking about, Victor! They've been working on these brains for years under the direction of the CIA.

[rocket757]

The CIA is unlikely, there are better masters, much more experienced... arrogant, they really ate the dog out of this.

[Reptiloid]

The CIA came later. Yes, you are right, the English started. They made plans about reformatting the Germans back during WW2. They also participated in the dill issue; at different times they started working with the CIA. But the beginning of Russophobia in Ukraine dates back to the times of Austria-Hungary.

[rocket757]

It is clear that Ukraine has been put together from different scraps for more than one century.
What happened was very heterogeneous... so the poison spilled from outside had a different effect on different territories and regions of Ukraine.
After the events took off, very experienced bastards began to direct them in the direction they needed.

[Reptiloid]

You understand that, Victor, territories with very different people are now being annexed

Quote: rocket757

...poison spilled from outside had different effects on different territories and regions of Ukraine...

There are often messages about impending assassinations, terrorist attacks.... All this cannot be overcome quickly

[Bayun]

To the patriot of the universe, the arguments of the patriot of the galaxy are unconvincing. The patriot of the Earth does not understand the patriot of the country.

This is the “explanation” of what is happening. Patriots on a planetary scale have peace, friendship, and money. But they happily fight as patriots of a smaller scale for the sake of strengthening their PERSONAL world-friendship and increasing income.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Bayun

To the patriot of the universe, the arguments of the patriot of the galaxy are unconvincing. The patriot of the Earth does not understand the patriot of the country.

This is the “explanation” of what is happening. Patriots on a planetary scale have peace, friendship, and money. But they happily fight as patriots of a smaller scale for the sake of strengthening their PERSONAL world-friendship and increasing income.

Yes, this is an eternal topic. And even how many science fiction writers have directly talked about this. Paul Anderson, Harry Harrison, Edward Elmer Doc Smith, the Strugatsky brothers, Robert Sheckley....

[svp67]

Quote: rocket757

And yet, the fog of war + Soda folklore is a reality and only official statements supported by facts can dispel it.

Well, well, I’ll now “let in the little fog” and the “folkler” - over the past couple of months, as a result of a very “successful” counter-offensive, quite a lot of Polish citizens have been captured by us... It’s strange that our correspondents haven’t reached them yet admitted. Again, some kind of “undercover games”? Maybe it was thanks to them that Poland went against Ukraine and the United States, cutting off the supply of weapons? This is my version of events...

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Reptiloid

And they knew before that Scholz was lying when he said that he was not a party to the conflict.

How will it be in German fascist terms: “They will not be there”?

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Vasyan1971

.... How will it be in the German fascist way: “It will not happen”?

I wonder what Scholz will say? He'll be upset. Or "they will disappear"

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Reptiloid

And they knew before that Scholz was lying when he said that he was not a party to the conflict. And now there is living confirmation. Or that --- the taxpayers themselves send the tanks, the vacationers themselves go there, and Scholz only mourns the Leopards and begs not to destroy them? Let him cry some more! The liver sausage is rotten.

Is not a fact. This German (if there was one at all) could, out of fear that he would be shot right in the open field, like a mercenary, lie like an active soldier in order to get under the Geneva Convention with the status of a prisoner of war.

[Grancer81]

He cannot have the status of a prisoner of war and he does not fall under any conventions.

[ROSS_51]

Quote: Grencer81

He cannot have the status of a prisoner of war and he does not fall under any conventions.

So this is the tenth thing..)) The main thing for him is that they didn’t use it up, which, as they write, he was afraid of..

[Reptiloid]

Quote: ROSS_51

.........climb under the Geneva Convention with the status of a prisoner of war.

Is it really possible? After all, as Scholz says,

.......They are not a party to the conflict.....

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

How is it that Fritz hasn’t shouted “Hitler kaput” yet?.. he couldn’t sit at home.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: NNikolaich

this is just some reason for another bargaining or another deal, and what to roll out to present is NO-NO

The fact of the matter is that for some reason we don’t understand that the publication or public trial of NATO soldiers is much more profitable for us than any deal! Imagine the court verdict - and the public hanging of this Fritz in the square... with broadcast on all media. Now imagine WHAT will begin in Germany! Yes, there they will sweep away any most pro-American government, there they will tear off the head of any Habek or Scholz when the Germans see how their soldiers are hanged in Russia for fighting with weapons in their hands on the side of the Ukrainian Reich.
Even the most profitable deal cannot beat such a profit.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

Quote: NNikolaich

this is just some reason for another bargaining or another deal, and what to roll out to present is NO-NO

The fact of the matter is that for some reason we don’t understand that the publication or public trial of NATO soldiers is much more profitable for us than any deal! Imagine the court verdict - and the public hanging of this Fritz in the square... with broadcast on all media. Now imagine WHAT will begin in Germany! Yes, there they will sweep away any most pro-American government, there they will tear off the head of any Habek or Scholz when the Germans see how their soldiers are hanged in Russia for fighting with weapons in their hands on the side of the Ukrainian Reich.
Even the most profitable deal cannot beat such a profit.

In 1993, the US got involved in Somalia...
The Somalis posted the interrogation of the downed wounded American helicopter pilot.
Like this:
- Were you in the downed helicopter?
Yeah
- Did you shoot at people?
Yeah
-Have you seen that these are unarmed civilians?
- Yes
And so on for 7-10 minutes. The American is agonizing over what to answer...
Then they show how his corpse is dragged by the feet through the African mud...

This video was shown in the USA for several days on all channels. And somewhere on the fifth (give or take) day, the news showed the loading of American troops onto ships and the evacuation from Somalia.

[fanatos123]

Valerian infusion will help you. And thank God that smarter people are at the helm of the country. You propose to apply a punishment to a person that is not in our legislation.

[Arigin]

No, they will be made martyrs of the holy Pope of Rome.

[fa2998]

This kind of news should be included in the MAIN news of all TV channels. It’s also a big trump card for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense. But there’s something quiet.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: fa2998

But there is some silence.

I recently saw a copy of this opus, but at the end there was something like: “The German soldier received medical care, but died from heavy blood loss.” So, there is a high probability of another fake...
https://dzen.ru/a/ZQ7IDyITIRhxZ_L2

[Piramidon]

Quote: fa2998

This kind of news should be included in the MAIN news of all TV channels. It’s also a big trump card for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense. But there’s something quiet.

And what should TV channels show if these are still only the words of a serviceman? So far this has not been confirmed by anything, and you are already throwing Lavrov into battle. Why should he raise a cry based only on the publications of bloggers?

[Argon]

So it's probably just another fairy tale. How can you knock out a very guarded Leo, plus go up to him and take his tongue. Ukrainians take care of them

[Monster_Fat]

Well, yes, the so-called captured “niht shizen” was not presented as “material evidence” to the “partners” in order to dip them into their “fool wave”, purely out of “the goodness of my heart.” It looks like "Legend" lives up to its nickname.

[TIR]

Perhaps just an elephant radio. This happens often and strangers (journalists) may take it for truth.

[tralflot1832]

Ours put on quite an interesting “performance”. Berbok suddenly turned his “tower” 360 degrees. And the crew of “Lepa” really died?

[poquello]

Quote: tralflot1832

Did the crew of the Lepa really die?

“We moved towards the burnt equipment in the hope of taking the “tongue”. And we found that the tank’s driver was seriously wounded, and the rest were killed.”

[Sarboz]

Quote: poquello

Quote: tralflot1832

Did the crew of the Lepa really die?

“We moved towards the burnt equipment in the hope of taking the “tongue”. And we found that the tank’s driver was seriously wounded, and the rest were killed.”

Reading the original source:

Quote: RIA News

As the commander added, when he interrogated the Bundeswehr soldier, the doctor of their reconnaissance group said that the mechanic had lost a lot of blood and was seriously wounded.
“I asked the doc how long he would live, and the doc answered - a few more minutes. I told the German that the wound was too severe and he had no chance of survival. He said that he loved his child and wife very much and regretted that he agreed to come here to go. We began to prepare him for evacuation, but he switched off and after a couple of minutes he went “two hundred” (“cargo 200” - killed in action. - Ed.),” said Legend.

[poquello]

Quote: Sarboz

Reading the source

say what you wanted?

[Sarboz]

Quote: poquello

Quote: Sarboz

Reading the source

say what you wanted?

Yes, in fact, you simply quoted the words about the serious injury of the driver in response to the question of whether the crew died. And I quoted that the mechanic also died. Nothing more.

[Thrifty]

Confirmation is necessary, otherwise it’s just bullshit. At least photos of corpses in German uniforms! Didn’t anyone have a tube with a camera, or even a digital point-and-shoot camera?

[Volodin]

Quote: Thrifty

At least photos of corpses in German uniforms!

In German uniform?? Well, that would definitely be too much

[Thrifty]

Volodin - in the uniform in which they are in the tank, and with the documents that they have!

[Msi]

Volodin - in the uniform in which they are in the tank, and with the documents that they have!

you often start writing all sorts of nonsense. Form with chevrons so-called. Ukraine and documents of Ukrainian military personnel, of course, they have...

[blackcat]

Moreover, in the Ssovskaya, “death’s head” division , we still have to wait for the official announcement

[Quiet Don]

Moreover, in the form of some kind of SS tank division

[Andrew A.]

Form? They were more likely to be wearing Wehrmacht uniforms than Bundeswehr uniforms.
In the basements of Azovstal, career Americans were almost certainly sitting, but for the plebs of the small British, Aiden Aslin was demonstrated.

It’s time to think about the purpose of creating such “information noise.”

[Wolfskin1993]

Such issues cannot be resolved at the end of the day!
If they really caught the Bundes, then this is a reason for bargaining. Although I believe that the squeal was from a Ukrainian who studied in Germany. He squealed, so as not to shoot him right away. It was drilled into their stupid heads that the Russians would cut them into belts and sprinkle them with pepper and salt.

[Poplar]

Quote from Wolfskin1993

Such issues cannot be resolved at the end of the day!
If they really caught the Bundes, then this is a reason for bargaining. Although I believe that the squeal was from a Ukrainian who studied in Germany. He squealed, so as not to shoot him right away. It was drilled into their stupid heads that the Russians would cut them into belts and sprinkle them with pepper and salt.

It seems to me just the opposite: even if Hans was sitting there, he had to squeal in language. With mercenaries the conversation is usually shorter, and everyone knows it.
In general, I have doubts about this story. Firstly, I doubt that our reconnaissance group had a translator from German, because you won’t understand all these written details without a translator or you’ll understand them somehow wrong. And if the Fritz was interrogated later, then it is unlikely that our fighter would have been told everything, and most likely they would not have interviewed him then. And secondly, if the information about the Bundes is not secret, then the Ministry of Defense has probably already said something, at least in general terms, or simply confirmed the fact itself. And if the information is secret, then this fighter would have already signed ten pieces of paper about non-disclosure and remained silent, “like a fish on ice.”

[huggi]

oh well, right there with SS chevrons and a cap with a skull

[Nexcom]

Hitler's tank crews did not wear caps - it was not allowed. according to the regulations - black berets or caps.

[huggi]

I suspect that the German crews, if they are like that, will not be dressed in flektarn.

[Bingo]

What's the point? There is a photo, but no one believes point-blank that this is the first Ukrainian cosmonaut (in the square). By the way, also a former member of the lepa crew, lepa - photo below

PeeCee: how suddenly the photo lovers' mood has gone downhill!

[svp67]

Quote: Thrifty

At least photos of corpses in German uniforms!

Well, the uniform will obviously have chevrons with Ukrainian symbols. And so, don’t worry, the evidence will show “who needs it”, it’s another matter that these “whoever needs it” will deny everything and say that “they are not there”...

[Rage66]

Maybe in the uniform of the SS division "Totenkopf"?
What do you smoke?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Thrifty

Really, no one had a tube with a camera or even a digital point-and-shoot camera?

The battery, as luck would have it, suddenly died...
But “-not” and “-nor”, ​​of course, need to be tightened up.

[Bingo]

Quote: Vasyan1971

But “-not” and “-nor”, ​​of course, need to be tightened up.

There the logic needs to be tightened up.. Intelligence, staggering with a mobile phone at the ready... Or with a selfie camera... Maybe only in the life guard of the madhouse. “The combat mission is to secretly move to the area of ​​the settlement of Nizhnie Vasyuki and photograph all the Schweinhunds from the front and in the profile!” Spotters run around with means of objectively monitoring impacts, but why the hell does intelligence know that?! By the way, spotters at point-blank range will also take pictures of nothing.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote from Bingo

The logic needs to be improved there...

However, I think one does not interfere with the other.

[Dmitry_Likhoded]

From my own experience I can say that many people carry LBS smartphones, including intelligence officers. We don’t have maps; we navigate, direct and adjust fire using well-known programs. Company commanders themselves or from battalion headquarters sometimes ask to take a video of positions or something else on the front end. Well, don't go there yourself. Including taking photographs of documents from the dead and themselves for the report. Someone is walking around with action cameras.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrifty

At least photos of corpses in German uniforms!

Do you think they ride around Ukraine in their uniform?

[boni592807]

Piramidon (Stepan. Russia). Yesterday, 17:34. NEW -

Quote: Thrifty
At least photos of corpses in German uniforms!

Do you think they ride around Ukraine in their uniform?

You're right. the previous colleague forgot. What the form is not the main thing. the main thing is CONTENT.
Yes They do not hit the passport (form). and by "FACE".
And the translation from German seems to be “niht shisen.” For the Soviet generations and those who grew up in them, it was not necessary; it came “automatically.”
This is “sclerosis” among the eastern residents of Krainets due to reformatting. And Belarusians and Russians (Russians) have something to ask for from “Hans”...even for those 20 ml minutes.
R.S. Of course, it would be nice to have a talkative Fritz and a video with a report - who. where from. which part, etc. DHowever, not all Germans forgot WW2 (WWII). Need to refresh my memory. Let the rude Psheks fight for their lands. This is more useful for them and without unpleasant memories.

[Reader 2013]

What is it in the black and white photo, is the tank coated or draped?

[Dmitry_Likhoded]

This is the “zimmerit” known to many.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Such statements must be confirmed with facts, otherwise they will soon stop listening and hearing us altogether.

[alexoff]

They don’t listen to us or hear us anyway. Only enemies can lie non-stop and there is no loss of reputation for them

[poquello]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Such statements must be confirmed with facts, otherwise they will soon stop listening and hearing us altogether.

This is on foreign territory, the Ren-TV film crew is not with you, or maybe they are somewhere in the Bremen area?

[Neo-9947]

that he is not just a “volunteer” or a mercenary, but a soldier of the Bundeswehr and therefore has a special status.

Is this some kind of special status?
After interrogation, be hung by... your leg from a birch tree?

[41 REGION]

Quote: Neo-9947

After interrogation, be hung by... your leg from a birch tree?

I agree with almost everything, but not for the leg

[Mint Gingerbread]

Throw down your weapons - Wafeng hinleygen!
Hands up - Hyundai hoch!
Don't move, otherwise I'll kill you - Rur dikh nikht zonst bistu tot!
Keep quiet, otherwise I’ll kill you - Schweik, zonst bistu tot!
Where are the others? How many? - Vo zint di andern? Vifil man?
Show them their location - Tsayk, vozi zint
Do you understand Russian or Ukrainian? - Farshstaistu rusish oder ukrainish?

[expert]

I sincerely laughed at the translation performed in Cyrillic. Distorted amazing! Truly, deutsche Sprache a la Solovyov.

[Mint Gingerbread]

This is from a field translator for intelligence officers, World War II, letter for letter. Our grandfathers used it.

[expert]

Yes, this is known.
Besides, when they just shoot you now for misunderstanding, you will immediately understand Chinese.

[Grancer81]

And the guys sent me part of the Russian-Chinese translator... That’s where it gets even more interesting.

[linux28]

Immortal:
When Second Lieutenant Dub took two more steps towards him and again demanded the password from him, he pointed the gun at him and, not knowing the German language properly, shouted in mixed Polish-German: “Benzhe Schaisn, Benzhe Schaisn”
/Note: I will shoot! (The Polish soldier speaks German poorly, and he comes out with scheisen instead of schiesen, that is, “” instead of “shoot”)/

[linux28]

Wow, the site automatically cut out the crude version of the word “poop.” At least they would substitute an ellipsis :-)

[digger]

the comment is too short...even short

[rotmistr60]

The wounded driver repeatedly stated that he was not just a “volunteer” or a mercenary, but a soldier of the Bundeswehr and therefore had a special status.

Fritz immediately remembered his status as a prisoner of war, but forgot that Germany was not officially at war with Russia, which means he could safely be classified as a mercenary. But for the purposes of information warfare, show on all channels how he talks about being a Bundeswehr soldier and how he got to Ukraine.

Thrifty
At least photos of corpses in German uniforms!

Do you seriously think that they were in German uniform?

[Bolt cutter]

show on all channels how he talks about

He prudently died a few minutes after the interrogation (from his wounds ), according to the scout who captured him with the meaningful-sounding call sign “Legend”.
Is it really true that they still haven’t learned how to use propaganda? If only Che Guevara was revered - he knew a lot about this matter.

[Thrifty]

Bolt cutter, he died before the interrogation, and he gave information while he was already dead...

[Sandy Andy]

If this is confirmed, it will be a bomb for ordinary burghers Are Bundeswehr soldiers included in the kit?

[expert]

Sincerely, I don't believe it.
They also talked about tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, with welded hatches, and about two thousand foreign specialists, instructors, mercenaries at Azovstal...
In addition, living in Germany, I can responsibly say that there is no feeling in the country that the Germans will even slightly harness themselves to Ukraine in this way.

[faridg7]

I think here you still need to clarify which Germany you live in, not so long ago a classmate showed me a very interesting map of today’s Germany, it clearly shows that there are eastern and western, the border can be distinguished just as it was before unification. And he just put mosques on the map, all of which he could find mentions of.

[expert]

Dear faridg7, your classmate misled you.
There are no borders between the former West and East Germany on official maps.
Of course, this can be found as a historical reference.
I live in Frankfurt am Main.
Sincerely.

[faridg7]

Officially, of course, there is no border, and it is not on Herman’s map, but you can see it by the number of mosques. Apparently, in the GDR, Muslims are not held in high esteem (or rather, the policies of the Federal Republic of Germany are not held in high esteem)

[expert]

Dear Farid Gabidulovich!
In your comment you touched on a very serious topic.
Although, in my opinion, it has a very, very distant relation to the article under discussion.
In total, there are 16 Federal States in Germany. Five of them are the lands of the former GDR. These five lands are inhabited by
16,36 million, that is, 19,4% of the total population of Germany. Number of Muslims in the Eastern Lands
varies between 0,6% to 1,1% of the total population of the former GDR territory. Considering that the merger
Germany happened 33 years ago, it is quite logical that the Muslim population there is very small.
In the GDR, unlike the USSR and West Germany, there were practically no Muslims living. Actually, only since 2015
this population group began to grow there quite quickly.
Naturally, of the 2800 mosques in Germany, only a tiny part is in the eastern Lands.
I'm attaching a map.
Sincerely.

[faridg7]

Well, this map is a little small, but the picture is visible. And it relates to the article in the sense that you do not see in your fellow citizens the desire to join the Nazis in Ukraine. I wanted to show by this that Germany is different, especially different since its different lands have different histories and different mentalities. To my regret, I can note that in Russia there are sections of the population who have also been fooled by liberal nonsense, fortunately there are not many of them, the only problem is that they are mostly leaders,

[AndreyKam_Z]

Have you been given the authority to express the feelings of the entire German people?
Believing or not believing is a personal matter. You haven’t provided any axioms yet either.

[expert]

Dear Andrew!
I am very flattered that you assumed that I have the authority to write comments on behalf of the German people.
Flattered.
But, let me clarify once again, I am writing only on my behalf and only reflecting my personal opinion about everything that is happening in the world, the country and around my humble person.
As for the axioms, you’re cool. Somehow, in the article under discussion, this is rather weak...

[AndreyKam_Z]

Dear Eugen Renk! Evgeniy, as I understand it?
How else could I guess if you put it

I can responsibly say that there is no feeling in the country that the Germans

As you understand, you can declare responsibly when you express the opinion of a certain number of people, or occupy a certain position.
As for the word “axiom”, this is a perseveration to the circle of people in which I move. But you still haven’t given the reasons for your doubt about the welded tank hatches and foreign mercenaries. I also don’t believe everything that the media say and write because there is military propaganda, but I try not to expose to the general public what I believe, I don’t believe without at least some compelling arguments.

Somehow, in the article under discussion, this is rather weak

This is rather weak, not in the article, but on the website. I’ve been sitting here for about a dozen years, but before, with my knowledge, I didn’t even register, I just read. Now it’s just a chat, but after the bell was removed, it turned into a collection of monologues.

[expert]

I am glad that we had a short dialogue with you.
Regarding the mood in Germany regarding participation in the war in Ukraine, despite the irresponsible calls of individual politicians, Federal Minister of Defense Boris Pistorius at the first “Westphalian Peace Conference” in Münster said verbatim:
“The Federal Republic of Germany must exercise this level of caution, even if it is difficult for our Ukrainian friends to understand. Germany must weigh the consequences at every step.”
And the radio messages that I listen to every day in the car give absolutely no reason to suspect the Germans that they will directly get involved in hostilities. Well, the situation is not escalating in this sense. This is the responsibility of my comment.
Regarding the welded hatches, everything slowly died down. Tank specialists wrote that this was nonsense, purely technically.
And as for foreigners in Mariupol, it all ended with two Englishmen and a Moroccan student.
And about the bell, you are right...

[Aleksey52]

Ahah, tales from the crypt, is there any evidence, or are Kokashenkov’s fables again?

[linux28]

A person with such a speaking call sign cannot lie :-)

[Rom8681]

Tales of the Vienna Woods. If this were true, Konashenkov would have long ago commented on the video of the interrogation of the German

[Ross xnumx]

the entire crew of the tank was made up of Bundeswehr soldiers.

Wait ...
Who would doubt a different outcome...

[AndreyKam_Z]

Surely arrangements have been made and Ukrainian citizenship has been issued.

[_KGB-USSR_]

Something is not written in the article, that this driver, according to their version, is already 200:
“I asked the doc how long he would live, and the doc answered - a few more minutes. I told the German that the wound was too severe and he had no chance of survival. He said that he loves his child and wife very much and regrets that he agreed to come here to go. We began to prepare him for evacuation, but he switched off and after a couple of minutes he became “two hundred” (“cargo 200” - killed in action. - Ed.),” said “Legend.”

[linux28]

Sentimental German. A traditional character in our literature.

[Mint Gingerbread]

By the way, the author of the article did not mention that the last survivor a few minutes later became 200, and the last words were that he regretted his participation, leaving behind his wife and children. This is all from the words of RIA Novosti, there is no primary source.

[sergey_vakk]

RIA Novosti loves this, because the author himself comes up with them

[Bingo]

the surviving driver began shouting in German “Don’t shoot” (“niht shissen”)

Genetic memory has turned on))) It’s time for them to master the phrase book... “Nicht shissen, ikh bin arbeiter, ikh aben zwei kinder”))) Everyone in our area already knows these songs without translation

[Amateur]

A bunch of NATO generals, colonels and their secretaries were already “almost” “caught” in Mariupol once. But at this time, either the battery in the phone died, or they began to celebrate in advance, but there was nothing left except empty talk.
Now it has started again. Present at least one German, Englishman or Pole to the people. Otherwise, unfortunately, I can no longer believe the word.
And to see captured Europeans with beaten faces and proclaiming that “they are not like that” is “really desirable.”

[Alexander Kochurkov]

Quote: Amateur

Present at least one German, Englishman or Pole to the people. Otherwise, unfortunately, I can no longer believe the word.

For what? Our people fought in Korea, Vietnam, Egypt... And died. And no one presented anything to anyone. Of course, I understand that we have heroic intelligence officers (internationalist warriors), and they have vile spies (mercenaries), but I don’t understand and don’t share the excitement about this, it’s a common practice for everyone.

[Msi]

Present at least one German, Englishman or Pole to the people.

Well, you neglected the Pole... losses of about 10 thousand were reported by the Polish press. Before this, a few months earlier in the voivodeship (I don’t remember which one) they opened a cemetery with 1700 places for Polish military personnel.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Amateur

Present at least one German, Englishman or Pole to the people.

In Mariupol, two Englishmen were captured, shown on TV, sentenced to a spanking in the DPR court, and then released in exchange.
One of them, according to rumors, is again “volunteering” in Ukraine...

[Got it]

a group of Russian Armed Forces reconnaissance knocked out a Leopard tank with a crew from the Bundeswehr

Well, this is just super! And if this didn’t happen, then it was necessary to stage it with a recording on Go Pro! It would be shocking for the public, especially the European one

[AndreyKam_Z]

How could a Ukrainian, out of fear, decide to pretend to be a German? Like maybe they will show respect to a foreigner.

[rotfuks]

If the driver said (“niht shissen”), this does not mean that he belongs to the Bundeswehr. Perhaps he is from another country. In Hebrew, this phrase sounds approximately the same. After an ATGM hit the turret, the tanker could speak Japanese and declare his samurai origin. And if the other tankers were from the Bundeswehr, then even if they don’t have documents, they probably have stainless steel tags.

[expert]

"In Hebrew, this phrase sounds about the same."
In Yiddish. Exactly as I declare as a non-Jew.

[bear cub]

I would like to see some evidence of all this destruction of headquarters, weapons depots, airfields and other strategic facilities after Russian strikes. Have you seen any satellite images of all these big announced successes lately? Let me write this: a few hours after the attack on the ships in dry dock, satellite photographs showing the destruction already appeared in Western networks. A few hours later I saw satellite images of the attack on the fleet headquarters.
For those who do not understand the accuracy of the satellite survey we are talking about, I am attaching an illustrative photo from Crimea. Show me at least once some of our photographs from all these destroyed objects that I read so much about every day.

[Arkadich]

Who is obliged to confirm the information presented to you?

[sergey_vakk]

RIA Novosti and soldiers' tales are already classics!

[synodontis]

Military operations are underway. It is possible to test new products in combat conditions, naturally with normal service, in combat. Everyone who has the opportunity does this

[Andrey Shpakov]

Funny cartoon. Especially .. niht shissen .. hitler kaput

[antiaircrafter]

.he is not just a “volunteer” or a mercenary, but a soldier of the Bundeswehr and therefore has a special status

Well, it was necessary to hang it on the gun barrel with special status.

[rocket757]

The material claims that the German soldier received medical assistance, he reported the location of his brigade and that the entire crew of the tank was made up of Bundeswehr soldiers.

Military Review can currently neither confirm nor deny this information.

. If you want to live, you won’t speak like that.

[Prisoner]

“... the driver-mechanic has repeatedly stated that he is not just a “volunteer” or a mercenary, but a soldier of the Bundeswehr and therefore has a special status...” (c) You bastards have one status - “200”.

[Dmitry_Likhoded]

The photo is of course not on topic. These tanks from the 26th TD were destroyed by the Americans in Italy.

[K-50]

Shoot him, even though he's a prisoner.
No one forced them to go to war with Russia; they most likely volunteered themselves.
Apparently they decided to follow in the footsteps of their ancestors - scorched Ukraine, the murder of Russians, nostalgia.
So we will manure him onto the black soil, just like his ancestors!!!

[Bingo]

Quote: K-50

Shoot him, even though he's a prisoner.

He himself hobbled within a few minutes of being taken out.

[Asad]

And they really believe this fake!? But sometimes smart thoughts are uttered.

[Radical]

In this regard, it is worth waiting for the appearance of such footage and more detailed information about the crew of the Leopard, which was shot down in the Zaporozhye region.

If the information is true, then I don’t think we will see or hear any footage or details. And perhaps vice versa. Everything is up to Vasilich.

[AdAstra]

Okay, I agree - I also remember “nicht shissen” from school, but then, why is everyone on the front line fluent in German?

[Prisoner]

And everyone doesn’t need it. One is enough. However, video with sound is quite suitable for a translator.

[senima56]

It is a sin to laugh at the dead... But it seems to me that, in addition to “Don’t shoot” (“niht shissen”), he should have shouted “Stolz kaput!”

[ISKANDER_61]

The Germans, as they were fascists, will always be. The creatures are coming to kill us.

[Asad]

Who is going, where is he going? How can you believe such fantasies? Which the enemy composes?

[dump22]

The serviceman has the call sign “Legend”.

Well, this one definitely won’t be invented and embellished.

Here is his colorful story with details:
https://ria.ru/20230923/tank-1898197755.html

“I asked the doc how long he would live, and the doc answered - a few more minutes. I told the German that the wound was too severe and he had no chance of survival. He said that he loved his child and wife very much and regretted that he agreed to come here to go. We began to prepare him for evacuation, but he switched off and after a couple of minutes he went “two hundred” (“cargo 200” - killed in action. - Ed.),” said Legend.

That's it, the German died right in his arms, as usual there is no evidence, but the story is great...

[Semyon Semyonov_2]

We came on a safari on vacation, and at the same time make some easy money. Karmic result.

[Sedoy]

The driver began shouting in German “Don’t shoot” (“Nicht shissen”)... the driver stated that he was not just a “volunteer” or a mercenary, but a serviceman of the Bundeswehr and therefore had a special status.

Most likely a lie...
Firstly, it does not have any special status, except for aggravating
Secondly, if this were true, then our leaders would have long ago inflated propaganda about this matter...

[Shumi2010]

Damn, this prisoner needs to be shown to the whole world on Russia Day and posted on YouTube with Rutraker

[Shumi2010]

infection!! 45 is not enough for them
and how many “Volga Germans” migrated to Germany after 91?? here, in "No", he was a military commissar - so he dumped himself there!

[Al manah]

Will they finally receive 5 million rubles? Or have sponsors already forgotten about their promises?

Military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces are ready to meet the American M1 Abrams tanks promised to the Zelensky regime, and Russian business is ready to support them financially by announcing a reward for a damaged tank. According to actor Ivan Okhlobystin, not for the first one destroyed, but for each one.

With undisguised pleasure, I hasten to inform you that some representatives of large Russian business have authorized me to announce that they are appointing a bonus of 10 million rubles for each Abrams knocked out

he wrote on his blog.

It is worth noting that this initiative did not appear today, a couple of days ago the Russian company FORES announced a reward of 5 million rubles for the first destroyed or captured American M1 Abrams or German Leopard 2. Apparently, the rates are only growing, it remains to find out the prices for British challenger 2.

https://topwar.ru/209827-rossijskie-kompanii-objavili-o-naznachenii-voznagrazhdenija-za-kazhdyj-unichtozhennyj-amerikanskij-tank-m1-abrams.html

[Sergey3]

And I was wildly downvoted here when I wrote that the Abrams would be handed over along with the blacks.

[rotfuks]

Abrams is absolutely impossible without blacks. There is no automatic loader there. Loading is separate. And not every white person will agree to shove a uranium pig into the barrel with his bare hands. And breathe uranium fumes. Abrams was originally designed for black crews. Perhaps Ukrainian crews will be painted black. The tank is not programmed to work with pale-faced people.

[SIT]

These are partners! They will quietly return the German Scholz. You can’t spoil relations with partners - everything acquired through back-breaking labor in the field of privatization and budget cutting lies in their banks, and their personal property, their own, is also there.

[bone1]

“Hitler kaput” he didn’t shout? - it’s a pity

[VladimirNET]

Quote: NNikolaich

but if there had been a German crew there,
what's the point?

How is this what? Documentary confirmation is that there are German soldiers in the leopard tanks, which is most likely true of the rest of the equipment supplied by the West (highmars are accurate - the amers only have 400 of them, as of 08.11.2020/500/XNUMX - XNUMX of them were produced “for others too”).

[Metallurg_2]

This cadre should be impaled in front of the gates of the German Embassy.

[APAHAKC]

don’t worry... he’ll apologize and they’ll let him go...

[nepunamemuk]

the site is glitching again

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[Pavel57]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

Didn’t the Soviet Union supply weapons to North Korea and North Vietnam (and on a scale hundreds of times greater than Western supplies to Ukraine)? Weren't our pilots and air defense crews there? But no one in the United States thought (in fact, they thought in the Korean War) to consider the USSR or China as a party to the conflict.

The Vietnam War cost us 1 million. Dollars a day. Even adjusted for the depreciation of the dollar, it is less than the West’s spending on Ukraine.

[T800-101]

On this day, the red lines moved back a little more.

[realing]

I beg you, they bandaged you, sent you to the rear, and along the way no one had a camera to record video, a hundred people speak German? Yes, in half an hour everyone would be shouting about it from every iron.

[Mikhail Maslov]

Don’t forget, the specialists and special officers are working. And first the interrogation, then the “press conference”, they will clarify where and who is located, etc. Or maybe it’s the “thoughtful” Ukrainians who want an exchange.

[Luenkov]

There is no need to judge intelligence officers by yourself. The irons are screaming in your head. Everything has its time.

[Mikhail Maslov]

The statement “no war” will not work. On the contrary, in theory, it should worsen the situation of such “bugs”. Conduct a trial, select articles according to the law. Everything should be indicative and in all media from TV to Internet resources. “The rabbit” should be sentenced according to life. his “life” should be covered time after time. If the leadership (which will happen) goes for an exchange, it is better to show 200 of such “tricks” to the media.