President of Brazil to Zelensky: the peace plan cannot be such that it suits only one side of the ongoing conflict

The foreign press provides some details of the conversation between the presidents of Brazil and Ukraine, which took place at the UN headquarters in New York, where both arrived to participate in the 78th session of the General Assembly. Let us recall that Zelensky previously confirmed that he met with Ludo da Silva, but did not provide any details, saying only that he thanked the Brazilian leader.

As it became known, the President of Brazil, in a short conversation with the head of the Kyiv regime, stated that there was no military solution to the Ukrainian conflict. At the same time, Zelensky tried to correct the President of Brazil, saying that the “Russian invasion should not be called a Ukrainian conflict.” In response, Lula said that in Kyiv they may call it this way, in other parts of the world it may be called differently, but the essence is the same:

The ideal way is to end the conflict, save tens of thousands of lives, and peaceful negotiations.

According to the Brazilian President, Brazil has advocated and advocates collective efforts to end the Ukrainian conflict.
Lula da Silva:

I believe that this is the collective duty of all countries, and there is no need to isolate ourselves from solving the problem.

Zelensky told Lula that he had presented “10 points of the peace plan.” In response, the Brazilian President made it clear that the peace plan cannot be designed to suit only one side of the ongoing conflict. This concluded the conversation between the two presidents in New York.

Today, Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjártó spoke about the “best conditions” for ending the Ukrainian conflict. According to him, they are the best simply because it will only get worse if the conflict is not stopped now.

Comments

[knn54]

Well, Zelensky will not be able to go beyond the script written by the Anglo-Saxons.
And does Luda da Silva know that Zelensky issued a decree prohibiting negotiations with the Russian Federation.

[Real Pilot]

So what?
Zelensky asked for negotiations and began singing his standard songs.
He was gently reminded that not everyone agreed with his interpretations... On this they parted ways, they did not give weapons and did not leave BRICS.
A curtain.

[JOYyppe]

made it clear that the peace plan cannot be such that it suits only one side of the ongoing conflict.

How can it not? What if one of the parties capitulates?

[Stas157]

Quote from JOYyppe

What if one of the parties capitulates?

And there is no one there to talk to anymore.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

And does Luda da Silva know?
He knows everything, but any president of Latin America always faces a threat from his military, whose generals were all trained in American military institutes. And the leftist Lula especially has to take this into account, remembering how many military coups there have already been in South America. And you can also remember with what a tiny advantage he won his elections, and how the whole of Brazil was buzzing for a whole month. So Lula has to show diplomatic attention and even meet with Zelensky, maybe even send humanitarian aid as an excuse. But what if Aliyev (Azerbaijan) regularly sends humanitarian aid to Ukraine, then what is the demand from Lula?

[X Y Z]

And I like these Lula and Modi, who are for everything good and against everything bad. For peace and friendship. Only they are so soft and fluffy only when they look at other people’s conflicts from the outside. When something like this happens to their countries, for some reason they suddenly turn from ardent pacifists into harsh militarists. And this is understandable, when trouble happens to others, they usually say, “well, it happens, this is life,” but when it happens to you, it’s a universal catastrophe.

[Olga]

Quote: XYZ

And I like these Lula and Modi, who are for everything good and against everything bad. For peace and friendship. Only they are so soft and fluffy only when they look at other people’s conflicts from the outside

I also like that they are starting to actively campaign for a peaceful solution to the conflict when Russia shows clear success on the battlefield

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Olga

...I like that they are starting to actively campaign for a peaceful solution to the conflict when Russia is showing clear success on the battlefield

And how does it manifest itself? I personally see a bloody positional war without the advantage of one of the armies.

[Olga]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

And how does it manifest itself? I personally see a bloody positional war without the advantage of one of the armies.

What do you take as your starting point?

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: Olga

Quote: Aron Zaavi

And how does it manifest itself? I personally see a bloody positional war without the advantage of one of the armies.

What do you take as your starting point?

It is already clear to everyone that there are no options other than Yugoslavia/Iraq.
APU = people of Ukraine. WSRF = people of Russia.
US Armed Forces = the people of the United States. Etc.
There are no “terrorists” or “militants” or other nonsense there.

[Olga]

Quote: Andrey Dibrov

APU = people of Ukraine

Are 5 million refugees in Europe a UFU?
(not counting those who left for Russia).
And the murder of Dugina and Fomin, the attempt on Prilepin - do you think these are terrorist attacks or not?

In general, I wanted to know from Aron whether he distinguishes an offensive operation from a defensive one. Whose success is it?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Olga

In general, I wanted to know from Aron whether he distinguishes an offensive operation from a defensive one. Whose success is it?

If we consider the beginning of the war to be 24/2-2022, then undoubtedly Ukraine, which was able to regain control of 53% of the territories lost at the beginning of the war.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

If we consider the beginning of the war to be 24/2-2022, then undoubtedly Ukraine, which was able to regain control of 53% of the territories lost at the beginning of the war.

You should work in the Ministry of Distorting Mirrors. Or in Orwellian mini-law... the talent to lie and turn everything inside out! Apparently, centuries-old genetics

Your “return of 53% of the territories to Ukraine” is a VOLUNTARY withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces from these territories. They came and went. This happens during war. Ukroreich has no merit in this.
All that Ukraine really managed to return was about 10 thousand sq. km. territory last September in the Kharkov region, when 600 riot police simply could not resist the advance of a 50-strong Ukrovermacht group... But that’s okay, that’s how it is, a remark...

So, we can consider the beginning of the war to be 24/2-2022 - then on 23.09.2023/4/5 - Russia has grown into XNUMX new federal entities, with a total area of ​​a good hundred thousand square kilometers, regions rich in natural resources, several seaports, a population of about XNUMX million people and land connection with Crimea.
This is exactly the state of affairs today. And not the mythical “53%” that Ukraine allegedly returned. The point is not at all how much she returned, but how much she lost. Even if we accept your nonsense about “returned 53%” as truth, that means you lost 47!
And with these 47 percent - everything that I have already listed above.
And the balance here is never in favor of Ukraine.
Only a very sick person... or a blind pro-Ukrainian fanatic could have the idea that this is “success on the side of Ukraine”

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

Quote: Aron Zaavi

If we consider the beginning of the war to be 24/2-2022, then undoubtedly Ukraine, which was able to regain control of 53% of the territories lost at the beginning of the war.

You should work in the Ministry of Distorting Mirrors. Or in Orwellian mini-law... the talent to lie and turn everything inside out! Apparently, centuries-old genetics

Your “return of 53% of the territories to Ukraine” is a VOLUNTARY withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces from these territories. They came and went. This happens during war. Ukroreich has no merit in this.

Not funny joke. When it was obvious to the last blind man that the unwinding of the unfortunate hundreds of thousands of youths, whom it occurred to someone to “control” thousands of cities with farmsteads, was a matter of weeks.
For a much smaller Iraq, all in the palm of your hand, half of the desert, everything had to be adjusted at times.

[JOYyppe]

It is already clear to everyone that there are no options other than Yugoslavia/Iraq.
APU = people of Ukraine. WSRF = people of Russia.
US Armed Forces = the people of the United States. Etc.
There are no “terrorists” or “militants” or other nonsense there.

Andrey (Orc), please answer, WHOSE CRIMEA????

[Andrey Dibrov]

Quote from JOYyppe

It is already clear to everyone that there are no options other than Yugoslavia/Iraq.
APU = people of Ukraine. WSRF = people of Russia.
US Armed Forces = the people of the United States. Etc.
There are no “terrorists” or “militants” or other nonsense there.

Andrey (Orc), please answer, WHOSE CRIMEA????

dinosaurs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t8X-Rp8tmQg

[kenig1]

When was the Russian leadership against negotiations? Various representatives of our government only say this.

[Olga]

Quote: kenig1

When was the Russian leadership against negotiations? Various representatives of our government only say this.

What’s wrong when we say “we are kind, ready to sit down at the negotiating table (on our terms)”?

[bone1]

Why can’t it? - the winner dictates the terms

[Volodin]

When there is a winner in a conflict, it is over. And Lula speaks of an “ongoing” conflict. There is a difference.

[dump22]

The President of Brazil made it clear that the peace plan cannot be such that it suits only one side of the ongoing conflict.

Sounds quite reasonable.

“Compromise is the achievement of mutual satisfaction while maintaining a certain amount of individual dissatisfaction” (c) E. Sevrus

[Rurikovich]

Lula da Silva, a naive Chukchi youth... It's time to understand that playing cards with a sharpie is tantamount to losing. It is understandable that you always want honesty, but the concepts of honesty and justice, mutual respect and mutual benefit are alien to the West. They a priori consider themselves superior to their opponents and have never signed even equal agreements. And even if they signed them, they did not fulfill them. There is no need to go far - the ever-memorable Minsk agreements.
Therefore, even at the same table with an Anglo-Saxon, I would sit with suspicion. And I would look at their voluptuous speeches through a tenfold prism of distrust.
And the narik is completely a product of the West, subordinate to the West and carrying out the will of the West. Therefore, talking to a dummy about some agreements that suit both parties is like throwing waste of a person or any animal onto a fan. It doesn’t even take it seriously, because there was no team.
And what’s most interesting is that this product is Jewish. A Jew who, since the 14th year, has been carrying out the genocide of his own ... or rather, not his own, but a people living in an artificially created quasi-state.
It would be funny if it weren't sad.
Anyone with intelligence, let him analyze and understand why one of the richest countries, which has access to the sea, black soils, and all sorts of mineral resources, has descended into disgrace and horror in 30 years, being headed by presidents who are “honest, white and fluffy democrats,” and the other, the neighboring one, which has nothing close to this, except for potassium, having a President - “dyktatar”, continues to build the metro, and in general build houses, farms and other infrastructure....
It’s all sad, because we lived in the same country...once upon a time...

[Michael]

As it became known, the President of Brazil, in a short conversation with the head of the Kyiv regime, stated that there was no military solution to the Ukrainian conflict.

[Vasyan1971]

a peace plan cannot be designed to suit only one side of an ongoing conflict.

Especially the side that is losing.