The ceremony of official “baptism” of the UDC “Fallujah” of the US Navy took place after a significant delay

The issue with landing ships in the United States is quite acute. In order for the reader to better understand the essence of the problem, it is worth explaining. Congress and the Pentagon do not like the Marine Corps because, according to American law, the president has the right to use the Marine Corps at his own discretion, without the approval of Congress. Congressmen really don’t like this, which is why the Marines are always kept “in black”; they almost always receive weapons and equipment last.

The situation is similar with landing ships. The corps commander demands more landing ships, the admirals are against it, because the construction of the UDC “takes” money from others naval programs. The Navy wants to retire the two older Islands because they're about 40 years old, but Congress won't allow them because there's nothing to replace them with.

The eighth ship of the San Antonio class is still stuck. The construction of the "America" ​​series is also proceeding with great difficulty. These ships should immediately replace two types, “Iwo Jima” and “Tarawa,” which have already been withdrawn from service. However, in addition to political and financial, there are also technical difficulties. Admirals and generals will not decide on the functionality, and therefore the design of the ship.

The first two ships, "America" ​​and "Tripoli", conventionally Flight 0, were built without docking chambers to provide more space for aviation и
Marine Corps l/s. However, practice has shown that they are needed, and the third ship, Bougainville, Flight 1, is being built with a docking chamber. "Fallujah" accordingly, too. Both pilots and marines do not like this, because they had to reduce the volume of the corps that was allocated for their needs. The standard landing capacity was reduced from 1686 to 1462 people. The more compact Iwo Jima could carry 1800 Marines when overloaded. The Marine Corps does not like this situation because it requires more ships to transport an expeditionary battalion.

Aviators are not happy about the reduction in the amount of aviation fuel due to the installation of ballast tanks to fill the dock chamber. Less powerful gas turbine engines were installed, the maximum speed was reduced to 21 knots. Although, for the convenience of the air group, a third, deck lift is installed on the Fallujah, in contrast to the two onboard on the first three ships. It is assumed that these ships will be able to perform the functions of a light aircraft carrier, the number of F-35s will be increased to 20. But, as already mentioned, the small amount of jet fuel, further reduced on the third and fourth ships, makes such use unlikely. The F-35 in vertical takeoff and landing mode consumes jet fuel in huge quantities. True, the designers claim that on the Bougainville and Fallujah, by lengthening the flight deck, horizontal takeoff is possible, but at the expense of some reduction in fuel or fuel.

A total of 12 ships of this type are planned to be built. However, the program is already very far behind schedule. “America” was supposed to go into operation in 2012, but this happened only in 2014. For “Tripoli” the situation became even worse; according to the plan, it was supposed to “become operational” in 2017, but this happened in 2020. As for the Bougainville, the situation worsened even more: it was supposed to be handed over to the fleet in 2019, but it was only laid down in 2019. “Fallujah” was also supposed to be laid in 2019, but this happened only now. Although the hull is already at a fairly high degree of readiness, the state of the ship’s other systems is not known. Average cost: $2,4 billion. Although taking into account inflation and the rise in cost of systems and weapons, the cost will rise.

Comments

[tralflot1832]

The PRC was not limited in the area of ​​its shipyards, rushing into shipbuilding with Western money, overtaking everyone and everything. The United States needs to engage in import substitution. Otherwise, the giant gantry shipbuilding cranes are most likely Chinese. Fact - two English aircraft carriers were built using a Chinese crane.

[TermNachTer]

I don’t think they can catch up with China. Unless you order aircraft carriers and UDCs in China)))

[Blackmokona]

Quote: TermNachTER

I don’t think they can catch up with China. Unless you order aircraft carriers and UDCs in China)))

Has China already overtaken the number of UDCs and aircraft carriers? Otherwise it’s impossible to catch up with someone who is far behind

[TermNachTer]

They talked about the pace of construction, and not about the payroll. However, with the payroll, it’s also not very good))) at the moment, there are three mattress aircraft carriers at sea, in total))) and not ten, as it is written in smart books)))

[Blackmokona]

Quote: TermNachTER

They talked about the pace of construction, and not about the payroll. However, with the payroll, it’s also not very good))) at the moment, there are three mattress aircraft carriers at sea, in total))) and not ten, as it is written in smart books)))

Suddenly, all countries do not have 100% of their fleet at sea. Part of the fleet will always be on vacation, repairs, modernization, etc. Especially in peacetime

[TermNachTer]

I agree with you, but explain to me why they always talk about 10 aircraft carriers when they talk about the US Navy? And they don’t talk about the fact that aircraft carriers need to be repaired for six years?)))

[Doccor18]

Quote: TermNachTER

but explain to me why they always talk about 10 aircraft carriers when they talk about the US Navy?

Because there are 10 of them in the fleet.

Quote: TermNachTER

at the moment, there are three mattress aircraft carriers at sea

How many Chinese?

Quote: TermNachTER

Talked about the pace of construction

The pace of construction is significant, and even more important is the state of the economy, its self-sufficiency and invulnerability...

[TermNachTer]

There are two Chinese in the sea. If we are talking about self-sufficiency and invulnerability of the economy, then this is definitely not about the USA))) however, and not about other countries. Even North Korea is by no means self-sufficient.

[tralflot1832]

Ledlkol Hilly is not allowed to misbehave as long as he doesn’t break anything.

[TermNachTer]

There is another provocation of mattress makers, now from the North Pole.

[Doccor18]

Quote: TermNachTER

There are two Chinese in the sea. If

Everything works out. For a long time?

Quote: TermNachTER

If we are talking about self-sufficiency and invulnerability of the economy, then this is definitely not about the USA)

Definitely.

[TermNachTer]

Of the two, two are on the go and at sea, with mattress covers, three out of ten. And the Chinese have another one “on the way.” But I won’t even dare to guess when the Kennedy will be operational. And when will the Nimitz and Eisenhower, whose service life has been extended, finally “die?” In general, from mattressland, great news in recent weeks, just a New Year, or something))) this is already the fourth “tika” being written off)))

[tralflot1832]

TermiNakhTer On Norwegian websites, the English Lizka has been appointed as a strike ship in NATO exercises off the coast of Norway, I don’t know how it is doing with its air wing. We will watch “Guarding the Zapalarye”, one Northern Fleet detachment is working on protecting the Northern Sea Route, a Pacific Fleet detachment is working near Chukotka There is a detachment of the Northern Fleet in the Barents Sea. There is also an enemy resource, the Barents Observer *, which is also sometimes informative about the North on military topics, especially if we are not acting “professionally.”

[TermNachTer]

I already talked about this when I wrote about British aircraft carriers. And with the air group there it’s generally sad, not to say funny))) eight “penguins” and eight helicopters. Considering the latest joke with the "penguin", in the North. Carolina, I would like to see how they will take off and land, in fresh weather, in the Barents Sea)))

[tralflot1832]

With the weather, they always choose the time when there is calm and smooth surface and God's grace, “head-to-toe” storms begin in November, then they move south from the North. The technology is now so gentle for unification.

[TermNachTer]

There may be “Mama don’t cry” there in October too, so I wish them creative Uzbeks)))

[Bingo]

In the USA, it is a good tradition to name ships after their shames. Fallujah is where 3000 infantrymen without armored vehicles, air defense and artillery were discharged for several months to soldiers three times superior to them? This is where it turned out that Abrams are AT ALL bad against infantry, because there is stupidly nothing to shoot at them? Including openly mounted machine guns on turrets? Where did it become clear that even a city ground down to its foundations must be taken by infantry, but mattresses cannot do this?

[TermNachTer]

Actually, it was supposed to be called "Saipan", but then something changed. I agree that there is no talk of any heroism. The city was simply wiped off the face of the Earth.

[dump22]

Fallujah is where 3000 infantrymen without armored vehicles, air defense and artillery were discharged for several months to soldiers three times superior to them?

There were 2 assaults on Falluja.
In April 2004 ("Vigilant Resolve") and in November-December 2004 ("Rage of the Ghost").
The first lasted 4 days and ended with an agreement with the elders of Falluja, the second lasted 32 days.

Where did it become clear that even a city ground down to its foundations must be taken by infantry, but mattresses cannot do this?

Who can do it? Can we do anything?
How long did it take us to storm completely blocked Mariupol?

[Bingo]

Quote from: dump22

the second lasted 32 days.

Pediwiki, supervised by the State Department, says that you are lying)))

Date November 8 - December 23, 2004
Location Fallujah, Iraq

This time. And two, what

Urban combat in the new millennium. What does the history of the capture of Fallujah by US and British troops, which lasted almost a whole year, teach?

This is without the State Department and pedivics.
And three - that there were THREE assaults on Fallujah and as a result, in 2016, the Iraqi army had to take the city, which under the mattresses again went to the former army of Hussein, that is, now to ISIS, which means the United States lost the battle for Fallujah!
And with Mariupol - 25 thousand suckers in the city against three times less, according to the most optimistic forecasts, the number of assaulters, mostly militias, and 3000 naked infantry, even without armor, against 10000 selected red-faced, packed to the brow...
Well. Yes, Mariupol is a shame for the jungle, we have better victories. But Fallujah is definitely a feat for mattresses, otherwise you have to name the ships in honor of Baotan, from where the coward, deserter and armchair warrior Douglas MacArthur fled on a boat as soon as the Japanese landed, by the way, there were three times fewer Japanese))) Against this background, and Fallujah, who fought with Kalash rifles against the Air Force and tanks for a year - a feat of mattress

[dump22]

Pediwiki, supervised by the State Department, says that you are lying)))

Citing Wikipedia is actually an admission of incompetence.
Are you even aware that no one “curates” its content at all?
I or you can go to any Wikipedia article and correct its text by writing any nonsense and lies. And then they themselves refer to this “information”.

And with Mariupol - 25 thousand suckers in the city

Cut down your sturgeon, please:
https://ric.mil.ru/upload/site173/EeFFYMYasA.pdf

In total, according to the Russian department, at the time of the encirclement (March 11), the Ukrainian group in the city numbered 8100 people.

where the coward, deserter and armchair warrior Douglas MacArthur escaped on a boat

But here I completely agree with you.
I’ll just modestly note that in our Navy we also had the Admiral Oktyabrsky BOD.

[Nikolay Ganapolsky]

He is not your answer) Bingo loves to shy away when his fantasies are destroyed by real arguments.

[TermNachTer]

I think that there were more than 2022 thousand banderlogs in Marik in March 8. If you count the police, border guards, good bands, etc. There were only three brigades, even if they were incomplete. but there were 2,5 thousand dugs there.

[TermNachTer]

Don’t you see the difference?))) Fallujah was simply wiped off the face of the Earth, because the local residents and mattress makers didn’t care. Mariupol is relatively intact, with the exception of a few places. Not to mention the fact that Mariupol, at the smallest, is twice as large both in area and in number of inhabitants. Well, there have never been factories in Fallujah)))

[dump22]

Not to mention the fact that Mariupol, at the smallest, is twice as large both in area and in number of inhabitants.

Mariupol - 425 thousand inhabitants
Fallujah - 326 thousand inhabitants

[TermNachTer]

There were 326 thousand there according to Wikipedia, but many managed to escape. But Marik was blocked quickly enough; few people managed to escape.

[Borik]

Three years have passed since the laying of our UDC. There is great interest in what stage of construction is its building located? No photos. and I really want to see it with at least one eye.

[TermNachTer]

Photos and some information are on "Balancer". Construction is progressing, although not as quickly as we would like.

[Sergey39]

We have to wait at least another 5 years for our first UDC.

[alystan]

Congress and the Pentagon do not like the Marine Corps because, according to American law, the President has the right to use the ILC at his own discretion, without the approval of Congress.

Here's what Wiki writes:

Before the emergence of the inter-service combined arms Special Operations Command in 1987, the USMC was the only formation in the structure of the US Armed Forces, which could be used abroad without the consent of the US Congress.

In general, as always, there are a lot of discrepancies and disagreements in various sources.

Corps Commander requires more landing ships,

This isn't a hostel, is it? Maybe still Commander of the Marine Corps?

[TermNachTer]

I think the meaning of the phrase is clear to anyone in the subject. If the reader is “not in the know,” why does he need it?

[alystan]

Do you mean that you are serious about the topic and about the “corps commandant”?
Or is this some kind of newspeak based on V/M terminology?

[TermNachTer]

One of my friends living in the USA once said in a conversation: “The phrase “Commandant of the Corps” has only one meaning for us, because we have no other corps except the city of Corpus Christi)))

[Codett]

Whatever you call the ship, it will float, well, seven feet above the keel of the Yankee

[Borik]

well seven feet above the keel of the Yankee

Not above the keel, but above the knuckle. If you wished this ship only 7 feet above the keel, then this means that its draft will increase by only a little over 2 meters. But if it’s 2 meters of water above the hole, that’s a different situation.

[TermNachTer]

You can wish for zero under the keel and may they always run aground, in every sense)))

[bone1]

Actually, according to the rules, the wife-mayor of this Falluja should have baptized

[TermNachTer]

The current one or the one in 2016?)))