The editor-in-chief of a German online magazine tried to count the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the military conflict

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The editor-in-chief of a German online magazine tried to count the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the military conflict

The editor-in-chief of the German online magazine Telepolis, Harald Neuber, tried to count the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the military conflict in Ukraine. This topic is now quite actively discussed in the Western press and society.

The journalist noted that taking into account the frankly sluggish counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, in Ukraine itself they are increasingly beginning to talk about the price in the form of killed and wounded that Ukrainians pay for the decisions of the Kiev authorities to break through the Russian defense at any cost. And this is despite all the government's attempts to suppress such discussions, at least in the public sphere.



In addition, Neuber noted, the conflicting parties have not published official statistics on the number of killed and wounded in their armies since about last summer. Unlike the Russian side, which constantly reports casualty figures for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Kiev leadership does not voice such statistics. The last time the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported in August 2022 that since the beginning of the military confrontation, the Russian Armed Forces had allegedly lost more than 246 servicemen killed.

Such messages are largely uncritically received by the Western press. That being said, the real questions are obvious: how realistic are these numbers? And most importantly: how are things really going with the Ukrainian side?

— a German journalist decided to find out.

He recalled a recent statement by the acting military commissar of the Poltava region, who said that since the fall of last year, out of 100 Poltava residents called up for military service, no more than 10-20 remain in service. The rest were killed or discharged due to serious injuries. It turns out, if you believe these statistics, that the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the conflict ranged from 400 to 000 people. Kiev’s persistent silence on this topic plays into the hands of Russian propaganda, the journalist believes. By the way, these figures are close to those officially announced by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

An indirect indicator of large losses in the ranks of the Ukrainian army is the fact that, by decision of the Kiev authorities, they began to call up people who were medically unfit for service, including men with hepatitis, asymptomatic HIV and mental illness. The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine adopted the corresponding changes to the military medical policy at the end of August this year. The number of foreign mercenaries in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is also growing, and they are actively recruited all over the world, which is also not accidental.

The Biden administration continues to put pressure on Zelensky, demanding an intensification of offensive actions, regardless of losses. At the same time, Western propaganda is doing its best to play along with Kyiv and underestimate the statistics on the number of killed and wounded Ukrainian military personnel, Neuber noted.

Thus, in April, a US government report allegedly accidentally leaked onto the Internet and the press, according to which Ukraine’s losses at that time amounted to 17 military personnel. At the end of August, the US Air Force reported leaked government documents indicating an additional 500 dead, bringing the total UAF losses over the entire period of the conflict to approximately 50 dead at that time.

Such blatant manipulation of statistics on the number of dead and wounded Ukrainians does not provide a realistic assessment of what is happening at the front and in the country, which does not correspond to the interests of Ukraine and its Western allies. The public, in the end, must know the truth, which will come to light sooner or later, says the editor-in-chief of Telepolis.
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    1. +8
      22 September 2023 10: 04
      on the number of killed and wounded
      ...for the full picture, it would be better to turn to hackers who would hack the data on the missing and he would be horrified
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      2. +5
        22 September 2023 10: 13
        if he publishes data even slightly close to reality, he himself will go missing, here he wants to promote himself and is very scared
        1. +3
          22 September 2023 10: 20
          Quote: swnvaleria
          if he publishes data even slightly close to reality, he himself will go missing, here he wants to promote himself and is very scared


          Not a fact. In Europe they are already talking about this openly from high stands.
          Member of the European Parliament from Ireland Claire Daly, at a meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, said that more than 500 thousand Ukrainian soldiers died in Ukraine. She refuted the words of the Secretary General that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are “gradually conquering territories.” In response, the representative of the bloc did not even try to refute the huge number of killed. He replied that “no one ever said that it would be easy, Russia has built its defense correctly.”

          https://life.ru/p/1606044

          “Nobody said it would be easy!” Stoltenberg about 500 dead Ukrainian soldiers.

          The NATO Secretary General did not deny the loss of 500 Ukrainian Armed Forces and total mobilization indiscriminately. The dialogue is historical!

          MEP: “Half a million people died. Ukraine had to declare mobilization. They are mobilizing disabled people and people with mental illnesses. Continuing this bloody war of attrition is simply cruel. If you are so worried about Ukraine, then how do you achieve peace and preserve the lives of Ukrainians?”

          Stoltenberg: “We must understand that no one ever said that it would be easy. From the very beginning it was clear that this would be a bloody and complex counter-offensive. We see that Russia has set up its defense correctly.”

          https://m.vk.com/wall-48962172_87546

          So these are only the dead, as if secretly registered excluding the missing and maimed/wounded, and the wounded should be 3 to 1 killed.Let’s say another 100 thousand people went missing/killed in addition to those 500 thousand and that 600 killed and let’s say 1,2 million wounded, half of which will not return to duty and more than 1 million people were knocked out of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

          Press headlines.




          1. +3
            22 September 2023 10: 55
            This is closer to reality.
            Dead, maimed, missing, and they also have a line - deserters... all these together are irretrievable losses of about a million.
            Then it becomes clear that they began to row everyone.
            I think they will scrape together another 400-500 thousand.
          2. -1
            22 September 2023 13: 31
            Quote from Orange Bigg


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            It's not nice to distort. The article you are referring to indicates that the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 200 thousand killed and wounded, and the Russian Armed Forces and LDPR troops lost up to 300 thousand killed and wounded. Respect soforum members, please. hi
            1. +7
              22 September 2023 14: 32
              Russia's military casualties are approaching 300, including 000 dead and 120 to 000 wounded, the newspaper said. About 170 Ukrainians were killed and between 000 and 180 were injured, he added.

              Do you yourself believe in this nonsense from the NYT? Or do you want others to believe?
              1. -3
                22 September 2023 14: 59
                Quote: alystan
                Russia's military casualties are approaching 300, including 000 dead and 120 to 000 wounded, the newspaper said. About 170 Ukrainians were killed and between 000 and 180 were injured, he added.

                Do you yourself believe in this nonsense from the NYT? Or do you want others to believe?


                Are there other data containing information on losses?
                1. +2
                  25 September 2023 01: 29
                  Eat. Medusa and BBC monitor cemeteries. They certainly cannot be suspected of sympathy. Something like 35 thousand. Medusa, using its mathematical model, calculated Russia’s losses at the beginning of July at 47 thousand. Of these, 20 thousand are Wagner
                2. 0
                  25 September 2023 01: 29
                  Eat. Medusa and BBC monitor cemeteries. They certainly cannot be suspected of sympathy. Something like 35 thousand. Medusa, using its mathematical model, calculated Russia’s losses at the beginning of July at 47 thousand. Of these, 20 thousand are Wagner
            2. +1
              23 September 2023 15: 36
              In any case, the losses are not small. And the result. ..
          3. +2
            22 September 2023 14: 44
            Quote from Orange Bigg
            Let’s say another 100 thousand people went missing/killed

            I read the number of missing people in Ukraine, about 300 thousand. This is based on monitoring of the Ukrainian segment of social networks, where relatives are looking for missing people. Here the Poltava military commissar spilled the beans, and there’s another month of “counter-offensive.” So there are all the prerequisites that by the New Year, the losses in those killed alone could actually approach a million. In America they are rubbing their hands, everything is going according to their plan.
            1. +1
              22 September 2023 15: 41
              @Orionvitt: "...by the New Year, the losses only killed can really approach a million. In America, they rub their hands, everything goes according to their plan."

              "America" ​​by itself could never have been successfully implementing this plan, if not for the willing, enthusiastic participation and collaboration of psychopathically Russophobic, traitorous Western and Northern European fascistic elites such as Jens Stoltenberg, who is quoted in this very article.

              By the way - someone like Stoltenberg would NEVER, EVER accept even a tenth of this colossal number of losses being actually incurred by his OWN nation, instead of by stupid East Slavs fighting among each other. And if he somehow did, he would immediately be removed from power and severely punished.
      3. +8
        22 September 2023 10: 14
        Why then did they put up a cemetery for one and a half million places near Kyiv? Is it just that?
      4. +4
        22 September 2023 10: 27
        Accurate data on the number of dead and wounded in the Ukrainian Armed Forces are fully available in the CIA, the Pentagon and, probably, MI6; they simply cannot yet voice these figures, so as not to spoil the reputation of the “great Jew” Zelensky, who, unfortunately for Ukrainians, is also He is also the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of Ukraine.

        When such a moment comes, they will definitely announce to the whole world about the unfortunate dead citizens and military of Ukraine, blaming Russia for their deaths, as always.
        Well, now, due to the lack of official information, and in order to raise interest in their publications, no one forbids theorizing about the number of dropouts from one side or another.
      5. 0
        22 September 2023 14: 26
        Better yet, let them conduct door-to-door and door-to-door visits to clarify their results.
    2. +4
      22 September 2023 10: 16
      Such blatant manipulation of statistics on the number of dead and wounded Ukrainians does not provide a realistic assessment of what is happening at the front and in the country
      There are still those prestidigitators in Kyiv that you don’t have time to follow the movements of their hands, and they manipulate numbers in a fabulous way. Even the editor of a German online magazine, who has no love for Russia, noticed this. The Americans also blatantly underestimate the Ukrainian losses, but they are happy to print Kyiv calculations from the ceiling about the Russian ones.
    3. +1
      22 September 2023 10: 25
      Editor-in-Chief of the German online magazine Telepolis Harald Neuber tried to count the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the military conflict in Ukraine. .... the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the conflict ranged from 400 to 000 people.
      Consider that he has already been pacified automatically)) (the site is banned in the Russian Federation).
    4. 0
      22 September 2023 10: 51
      And what about the prisoners for at least 20 thousand, and the missing, buried on the sly in abandoned positions and copses, or simply thrown to feed the animals? And those burned in crematoria, also quietly and disassembled for parts and also disposed of? Are there at least 25 thousand cripples? So the irrecoverable losses there are far beyond 600-700 thousand.
    5. -9
      22 September 2023 12: 05
      For the Poltava region there is data on the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Ukrainian online publication Poltava region publishes weekly obituaries with biographies of the victims. As of September 18, the death toll included 1303 residents of the region. The population of the Poltava region is 1351 thousand people, Ukraine within the borders as of February 23.02.2022, 37.5 - XNUMX million.
      If we extrapolate the losses in the Poltava region to the whole of Ukraine, we get 36 thousand killed. Taking into account the missing, there are still less than 50 thousand killed and missing and about 250 thousand wounded.
      For those who believe in half a million - a million killed Ukrainians, do you really believe that our losses are the same? - the strengths of the parties and losses are comparable.
      1. +6
        22 September 2023 12: 25
        “If we extrapolate the losses of the Poltava region to the whole of Ukraine, we get 36 thousand killed. Taking into account the missing, it’s still less than 50 thousand killed and missing and about 250 thousand wounded.”

        Then why did they carry out several waves of mobilization and are planning again? Do you think they can’t recruit 50 people to make up for losses? And one more thing... if they wrote the truth, they would have been blocked a long time ago, but since this did not happen, it means they are voicing information within the permitted limits. And then these are the lists of the dead, that is, those who are officially considered dead, and those who are not identified, those who were not picked up on the battlefield, those who were torn to shreds and scattered across the fields and ravines? Are they kind of alive or what?
      2. -3
        22 September 2023 18: 35
        I agree, the losses of both sides are approximately the same. If you count only the fighters of the RF Armed Forces, there will be one figure, if you take into account both the Cheka and the NM LPR and DPR, it will be another. Driving past the cemetery I saw the Wagner flag, who knew the deceased personally, and the flags of the Russian Federation, there was no fuss in the media .
        1. +4
          25 September 2023 01: 18
          Ukraine pursues a ruthless policy towards its military personnel. Clings to every square centimeter, including in disadvantageous positions. Saturates the front line with living force. Neglects the evacuation of the wounded. Throws unprepared people into battle. Often conducts meat assaults. In artillery it is 5 times inferior. And at the same time, 90 percent of losses come from artillery. How can the losses be the same? For every Russian there are from 5 to 7 Ukrainian soldiers. This is reality.
      3. +3
        25 September 2023 01: 24
        Why, then, were permanent mobilization turned on in Ukraine? Everyone is lowering the recruitment threshold. They have already begun to rake in schizophrenics. This indicates an acute shortage of people in the units. In place of those who drop out, someone needs to be put under arms. The cops, patrol officers, guards have already been sent away. Soon they will switch to 20 year olds, and then up to 16 year olds
    6. 0
      22 September 2023 13: 08
      The number 0 must be added to the end of the announced numbers, then divided by four and the resulting result added to the officially available information.
      In such cases, official sources always underestimate losses.
    7. -2
      22 September 2023 19: 46
      Quote: 1976AG
      “If we extrapolate the losses of the Poltava region to the whole of Ukraine, we get 36 thousand killed. Taking into account the missing, it’s still less than 50 thousand killed and missing and about 250 thousand wounded.”

      Then why did they carry out several waves of mobilization and are planning again? Do you think they can’t recruit 50 people to make up for losses? And one more thing... if they wrote the truth, they would have been blocked a long time ago,?


      At the beginning of the autumn of last 2022, the Ukrainian Armed Forces had a significant numerical advantage in manpower on the front line - because of this, the Kharkov offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces became possible. After this, at least 300 thousand people were called up for mobilization in the RF Armed Forces + according to Medvedev, in 2023, 280 thousand people signed a contract, it is clear that the number of contract soldiers is inflated due to the re-signing of contracts with the Ministry of Defense of volunteer units, but still this is a lot . The Armed Forces of Ukraine respond to this with new stages of mobilization + they rotate more often, so more military personnel are needed.
      Well, and the psychological factor. I believe in Ukraine, those who have been in uniform for a year and a half and their relatives are outraged by draft dodgers, just as we are outraged by the hordes of Central Asians who are Russians, when they can get benefits, but they simply do not go to the military registration and enlistment office.
    8. -1
      22 September 2023 22: 53
      It turns out, if you believe these statistics, that the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces during the conflict ranged from 400 to 000 people.


    9. -2
      23 September 2023 20: 56
      Quote from Orange Bigg

      Let’s say another 100 thousand people went missing/killed in addition to those 500 thousand and that 600 killed and let’s say 1,2 million wounded, half of which will not return to duty and more than 1 million people were knocked out of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      What fantasies.
      Quote from Orange Bigg

      Press headlines.


      I tear off the article in the photo and read:
      The US believes nearly 500,000 Ukrainian and Russian soldiers have been wounded or killed during the expansive conflict
      That is, 500 thousand on BOTH sides. According to the New York Times, obs. And you are selling how in the West (EVEN in the West, security guards traditionally have plenty of such idolatry for some reason) publicly admit that Ukraine has lost half a lemon of soldiers.
    10. 0
      25 September 2023 01: 12
      300 thousand Ukrainian and 60 thousand ours, unfortunately

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