Migration as the main threat to the national security of Russia

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Migration as the main threat to the national security of Russia Mass migration to Russia has become one of the main challenges on the agenda. This is a real threat to national security and the future of Russian civilization, Russian statehood and the superethnos of the Rus. November-December 2012, the topic of migration several times turned out to be in the center of attention of the Russian media. In fact, we can say that there is a real information war on this topic, since the final decision on the reception of millions of migrants can finish off historical Russia, our civilization.

In fact, those people who are in favor of the mass migration of Chinese to Russia, representatives of the peoples of Central Asia and the South Caucasus (they apparently agree to send to Russia and migrant flows from the Arab world and Black Africa), play into the hands of the so-called. "Backstage to the world." In the plans of the globalists, the mixing of all races and peoples, and the main blow is dealt precisely with Europeans (the white race). In this regard, Russia, as a kind of “reserve” of the direct descendants of boreals, Indo-Europeans - Aryans, who gave birth to all white peoples in their development, causes the greatest concern. It is Great Russia, the superethnos of the Russes that can offer the world a different concept of globalization, while preserving racial, national differences, where all nations can preserve their own characteristics. The masters of the West deliberately mix up races and nations, creating ideal slaves, without past and future, living only by consumption.

No wonder that the “nationality” column was removed from passports, and the word “Russian” was diligently replaced with “Russian-speaking” and “Russian”. Not only ethnic Russians (superethnos of Russians - Great Russians, Little Russians and Belorussians), but also the indigenous peoples of the Russian civilization, who have adopted the Russian language and Russian culture as their own, are under attack. After the final disintegration and assimilation of the Rus-Russians, Tatars, Mari, Mordovians, Chuvash, and others, are doomed.

The issue of migration to Russia, as well as the attitude towards Stalinist Russia, personally to Stalin, makes it possible to reveal a frank enemy or "fool" (a person who urgently needs to replenish his knowledge, increase the measure of understanding).

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Offer to bring to Russia 50-70 millions of visiting workers. On November 12, the chairman of the State Duma Committee on Nationalities Affairs, Gadzhimet Safaraliev, during a press conference “Can the Russian labor market do without visitors?” Stated that the Russian state lacks 50-70 millions of visiting workers. Safaraliyev believes that the development of very sparsely populated Siberia and the Far East, from where the outflow of the population continues, requires migrants. The Russian authorities should actively work with the countries from which the main flow of migration is going and create adaptation centers in Russia itself. Thus, we are also offered to pay for the “adaptation” of millions of migrants. According to the deputy, the migration of Russia is needed to solve economic issues.

Once again there is a substitution of the problem. Instead of raising the question of cardinal measures to increase the number of the Russian people and the majority of other indigenous peoples of Russia, we are being offered to start not just millions of migrants, but already tens of millions. Instead of creating jobs and raising the level of wages, the national economy is going to a new technological level, which allows it to do without a massively low-skilled labor force. It is proposed to import millions of virtually slaves. Although in the real medium-term perspective, the advantages of cheap slave labor cease to be such because of the transition to a new technological structure, the robotization of most of the works, where low-skilled labor is used.

Letter from Alexey Zakharov. December 10 was published an open letter to the President of Russia, the head of the personnel portal Superjob.ru Alexei Zakharov. This letter reports on the threats posed by the mass migration from Central Asia of the economic, political and cultural security of the Russian Federation. The author of the letter believes that the uncontrolled flow of migration to the territory of Russia from the countries of Central Asia and the South Caucasus represents the main threat to national security that our country may face in the coming years. Moreover, this threat in the medium and long term, while maintaining current trends will only grow.

So, uncontrolled migration from the southern countries may lead to the fact that the task announced by the president to create 2020 million highly paid jobs by 25 year will not be solved. For the current 10-15 million jobs, low-skilled migrants will have 25 million more such jobs. As a result, migrants will make up to half of the economically active population of the Russian Federation. The policy of “industrialization-2”, the innovative development of Russia in such a situation will simply fail. A. Zakharov calls the figures reflecting the current situation on the labor market terrible. So, already 18% of Russian citizens report real competition in the labor market from migrants (among low-skilled youth and older people - 25%).

The cultural consequences of mass migration are no less dangerous than the economic ones. The migration is eroding the Russian culture, creating a number of problems not only traditionally Russian, but also "Muslim" regions of the Russian Federation. In Moscow, there are already classes where the children of migrants make up a significant part of the students; such classes appear in other regions. These children do not know Russian well or do not speak the state language at all. In fact, the process of the formation of closed ethnic enclaves is underway. This leads to an increase in the threat of repetition of the “Syrian scenario” in Russia, when Muslims and migrants will be used as a “fifth column” to start the process of destabilization of the Russian Federation, its collapse. A significant increase in the number of migrants in Russia leads to a decline in the general level of education and culture. Already in 20 years, a situation may arise when "the average person living in Russia ... will have difficulty reading and speaking Russian." To this should be added the catastrophic level of the fall in the level of education of the Russian youth, due to the “optimization” of the education system. It is clear that it will make impossible any breakthroughs in the economy.

According to the head of the personnel portal Superjob.ru, the only way out of this situation is the complete closure of the Russian labor market for unskilled migrants from Asian countries, including the complete abolition of any immigration quotas. This will force entrepreneurs to invest in new technologies, increase wages, create “good” jobs. Otherwise, a gradual systemic degradation awaits us, which through 20-30 will bury all the geopolitical undertakings of recent years, including the economic and military integration of the former post-Soviet space.

This letter caused a great public outcry, showing that migration in Russia has become one of the key social and political problems. In fact, this is a question of the survival of Russia and the unique Russian civilization. Zakharov expressed the aspirations of the majority of the indigenous population of our country.

Message from President V. V. Putin. The head of state, in a message to the Federal Assembly, announced by 12 December, stated the need for a substantial tightening of migration policy in the near future. Putin proposed to introduce an accelerated procedure for granting Russian citizenship to "compatriots, native speakers of the Russian language and Russian culture, direct descendants of those born in both the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union", who express a desire to move permanently to Russia and give up their previous citizenship. He also proposed to abolish from 2015 the possibility of entry into Russia on internal passports for citizens of all foreign countries, including the CIS countries. Up to this point, the Russian authorities have preferred to maintain the same preferential treatment for migrants.

In addition, Putin said that Russia would not allow the emergence of "closed ethnic enclaves with its informal jurisdiction living outside the single legal and cultural field of the country, calling ignoring generally accepted norms, laws and rules." Thus, the head of state actually acknowledged that such a problem exists and the situation has reached a critical point. Now it's up to the implementation of the voiced theses.

It should be noted that the tightening of the migration regime in Russia can lead to major economic, social and political problems in most CIS countries. In particular, it will be a heavy blow for Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, which cannot exist in their current form without labor migration to Russia. They will have to resolve the issue of joining the Customs Union as soon as possible (Kyrgyzstan is already in the process of joining). According to the World Bank, 47% of Tajikistan’s GDP is formed at the expense of guest workers. In 2011, Tajik labor migrants transferred more than 3 billion dollars to their homeland. Moreover, this amount only increases with time. In 2008, remittances from Russia to Tajikistan amounted to 2,5 billion dollars (45% of GDP). In fact, Tajikistan can exist only at the expense of Russia. It is also necessary to take into account that Russia provides assistance to Tajikistan in the protection of borders and through military-technical cooperation. If Russia closes its borders for Tajiks, it will lead to an economic collapse and a serious political crisis. Tajikistan may well enter the inferno zone, for example, Afghanistan.

Extremely unpleasant consequences will be a reduction in the remittances of migrant workers for Kyrgyzstan. In this country, migrant remittances make up 29% of GDP. In Uzbekistan, remittances accounted for its GDP in the pre-crisis period around 1 / 5. The country has a more developed economy, natural resources, including oil and gas. However, the weakness of Uzbekistan is the fact that this country ranks first in the absolute number of migrant workers working in Russia from Central Asia. It also makes Uzbekistan economically dependent on Russia.

It is clear that the inhabitants of Central Asia go to Russia not from a good life. Degradation of the socio-economic infrastructure, agrarian overpopulation, shortage of land and water resources, have led to the fact that residents of the post-Soviet republics are forced to seek earnings in Russia. However, this is not a problem of Russia, since 1991, these republics have gone on an independent voyage. The Russian authorities must first of all solve the tasks related to the national security of Russia. Only an uncontested course on the Eurasian reintegration of the former Soviet republics should be the reason for the revision of the migration policy. In this case, Russia should give a chance for salvation from the catastrophe to which Central Asia is heading (“Afghanization”). But even in this case, it is not the mass migration of representatives of the Central Asian nations to Russia that is necessary, but the creation of conditions for a favorable life on their own, potentially quite prosperous land (according to the principle “where he was born, there was useful”). We must clearly remember that this is not about side-to-side waggings, but real reunion, where not only the market of goods, labor and capital, but the single currency, foreign and military policy, sociocultural unity (based on Russian culture and language). If any state is not ready for this, it should remain outside this single space with all the ensuing consequences, including migration barriers.

But many officials do not understand this, or do not want to understand. So, 2December 4, secretary of the Rostov regional branch of the Russian Socially Conservative Union of the United Russia party Anton Bredikhin proposed to resettle 15-16 million of Western Ukrainians, Caucasians and Tajiks and Kirghiz to Siberia. This proposal was made during the round table “Eurasian Union: Utopia or Reality?” At the Southern Federal University (Rostov-on-Don). According to Bredikhin (the last name is rather speaking), after Ukraine’s entry into the Customs Union, Russia will need to create a “demographic cordon against the Chinese influx”. A party functionary proposed to settle 7 million Ukrainians, mainly from the western regions of Ukraine, to northern Siberia — send Transbaikalia 3,5 million Caucasians and redirect the flow of migrants from Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to the Urals - 5 million people.

It is clear that such proposals are very pleased with the supporters of the "European choice" in Ukraine. Excellent "advertising" of the Eurasian integration project, where Moscow invites Kiev in every way. Just a “gift” - Western Ukrainians are being offered hundreds of thousands to load onto wagons and go to develop Northern Siberia. And this, while under the “wise” guidance of our authorities, the outflow of the population from Siberia and the Far East continues. Instead of accepting and starting the implementation of large-scale projects on the growth of the number of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, the new development of Siberia and the Far East, officials are looking for easy ways. It is much easier to replace indigenous people with migrants.

Does Russia need mass labor migration at all?

In order to understand the stupidity or even outright sabotage of Russian officials and business representatives (Stalin's “you are a fool or an enemy of the people?”), You need to realize a simple fact - at present there is no primary importance in labor migration in today's Russia. All other statements are illiteracy or outright deception. There is only a hypothesis that in ten to fifteen years in Russia there may be a problem with labor resources due to demographic problems. While the liberal, democratic media, the public has convinced the population that Russia needs migrants back in the middle of the 1990s. Therefore, the authorities, starting with the 1990s, were supposed to solve the problem of rising birth rates and reducing mortality in Russia, rather than attracting hundreds of thousands of migrants to the country.

It should also be noted that the massive importation of labor migrants, essentially slaves, is associated with the interests of employers in a number of industries and fields of activity. This is more money. There was a whole lobby that supports the installation on the vital need for labor migration for Russia. Business is interested in short-term profit, and not the medium and long-term interests of Russia and its peoples. That which benefits the actual slave owners brings direct and indirect losses to the country and the people (including in the long term). Most of the earnings of migrant workers are exported from Russia, not falling under any taxation and falling out of the system of domestic demand. A huge negative impact is also on the labor market. The statement that migrant workers are not competing with the indigenous population in the labor market is a blatant lie.

Another problem that creates a massive labor migration is the psychological degradation of the population of the Russian Federation. Employers get used to using slave labor, become slave owners. Ordinary people are starting to prefer not industrial labor, but the work of sellers, replenish the ranks of "office plankton" and security guards. This is an extremely dangerous symptom, talking about the degeneration of the people.

As already noted above, mass migration and the danger from the point of view of political stability, the risk of a repetition of the “Syrian scenario” in Russia, represent. So, in December 26, Kazan hosted a meeting of the local expert club of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISS) on the topic “Islamic fundamentalism and migrants in Russia in the post-Soviet period: the scale of distribution, consequences, conflict potential”. This event was organized by the Volga Center for Regional and Ethnic-Religious Studies of RISI. The head of the Volga Center, Rais Suleymanov, said that mass labor migration from Central Asian countries led today to the flow of Islamic fundamentalists. “At home, radicals are legally subject to severe criminal punishment, the governments of the Central Asian republics do not stand on ceremony with them, but in Russia, because of the liberality of criminal punishment for Islamists, the latter feel at ease,” the expert said. For example, during rallies in the capital of Tatarstan after the 19 July 2012 terrorist attack, not only people from the Central Asian republics - Uzbeks and Tajiks, but even a group of Egyptian Arabs were present as the main crowd.

The expert also noted that among migrants there is an active process of creating organizations that are alternative to the existing national-cultural structures. And they almost immediately begin to make statements on behalf of migrants, affecting the information field of Russia. In addition, some religious organizations and individual political and public figures are beginning to use migrants in their own interests, increasing their own significance and influence. Human rights activists were noted on this field, protecting the interests of migrants and religious fundamentalists.

Rais Suleymanov makes a very sad conclusion for Russia: "We absolutely can really find ourselves in a situation in Western Europe where there is no longer any integration of migrants, but a process is underway to replace the population with the imposition of radical religious beliefs under the idea of ​​tolerance, which has long become the ideology of a minority dictatorship over the majority."

Interesting conclusions were made in his report by another expert of the Volga Center for Regional and Ethno-Religious Studies of RISI Vasily Ivanov. In his report “The Second Generation of Migrants in Russia and the Politicization of Their Religious Views: A Forecast of Possible Consequences,” he said that the feature of young migrants is purely religious self-identification (“we are Muslims”), when national identification fades into the background and “demonstrative Russian-phobia ". The radical nature of their views lies in the fact that they put Sharia norms above Russian laws and values. The territory of Russia in their understanding is the future part of the “Great Caliphate”. Behind the brackets is the fact that it still needs to be captured and solved by the “Russian question”. At the same time, migrant youth no longer consider themselves “visitors”, but focus on the fact that they are “local”, that is, they want to use the liberality of Russian laws and orders to spread their ideas, build a “caliphate”.

Experts note that in Russia the process of creating ethnoreligious neighborhoods, ethnic enclaves modeled on Western Europe is already underway. In particular, in Kazan, these are the streets of Tukaya and Narimanov (the area of ​​the Central Market). In Moscow - the metro area "Prospect Mira" (cathedral mosque), Lyublino and the station Voikovskaya. It is noted that in 23 settlements of Tatarstan, groups of migrants began to settle compactly, who usually try to build "their" mosques, prayer houses, which eventually turn into centers of propaganda for radical Islam. For example, this is the village of Shumkovo of the Rybno-Slobodsky district of Tatarstan, where almost a third of the population is Tajiks. Historically, Shumkovo was a Russian village, in Soviet times the Tatars began to settle there, but this did not cause tensions, since the Tatars have been “Russians” for several centuries. In 2000, the village began to actively develop the Tajiks. The process of “seizure” of the village is standard: first, a house in the village bought one of them, he moved his large family. For the first family, other Tajiks began to buy houses, they transported their households, and polygamous families were also frequent. Relations with Russians and Tatars are tense, fights have already taken place, the native inhabitants of the village are against the construction of the mosque by the Tajiks.

Russia is following the path of the countries of Europe, and in the medium term we can witness riots of migrants. They will be used by the enemies of Russia in the East and the West as a way of putting pressure on the political leadership.

In fact, we are witnessing the process of seizing our homeland ...
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  1. +9
    4 January 2013 09: 33
    Putin said that Russia would not allow the appearance of “closed ethnic enclaves with their informal jurisdiction, living outside the country's unified legal and cultural field, defiantly ignoring generally accepted norms, laws and rules.” Thus, the head of state actually recognized that such a problem exists and the situation has reached a critical point.
    Of course, this problem is not something that exists, it is already strangling the local indigenous population. In Novosibirsk we have the Khiloksky market, so these .... feel full owners, and not only in the market itself, but also in the district. Wherever you spit, you get into black, from all sides their croaking is audible. They are buying around the apartment and the house, pulling hordes of relatives behind them. Vladimir Vladimirovich, but were you late with your statement?
    1. Russian 72
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      4 January 2013 09: 44
      Have you done anything to become the owner of the market?
      Are you just enraged by non-Russian people or are you jealous that the market place did not go to you?
      1. gribnik777
        +62
        4 January 2013 10: 24
        Are you just enraged by non-Russian people or are you jealous that the market place did not go to you?


        Do you know anything about how rebellious Russians were shot at the markets in the 90s, and that most markets are controlled by ethnic organized crime groups? Don't you know anything about the fact that local law enforcement agencies cover up these organized crime groups?
        Personally, I don't envy them. I only regret that I do not have a Kalash.
        1. gribnik777
          +8
          4 January 2013 10: 50
          They are now "OWNER"?! ...
          1. Andrey58
            +1
            10 January 2013 23: 59
            gribnik777,
            Wonderful photo S.M. Prokudin-Gorsky, the beginning of the XX century. I strongly doubt that the Bukhara emir Alim Khan would go to Russia to trade in the market.
        2. gladiatorakz
          +18
          4 January 2013 11: 12
          Quote: gribnik777
          I only regret that I do not have a Kalash.

          A man must be armed !!! To protect the Motherland, Family, their interests. Therefore, you should not just sit and regret, but get a hunting ticket and buy a "Kalash".
          1. gribnik777
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            4 January 2013 11: 27
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            get a hunting ticket


            You mean "shooting license"?
            "Kalash" and a hunting ticket - what nonsense!
            1. gladiatorakz
              +34
              4 January 2013 11: 41
              Quote: gribnik777
              "Kalash" and a hunting ticket - what nonsense!

              What is nonsense? Buy "Saiga" or "Vepr" or even AK if you have a rifle license. If the smoothbore also has options in bulk: "Boar", Remington, Mossberg, Winchester. A pile of serious weapons.
              From my point of view, nonsense - when a man whines. Oh, if there would be a Kalash then I’m a warrior, but for now, let the Khachis flatter. Only Kalash still needs the Spirit. Here it is not for sale.
              1. gribnik777
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                4 January 2013 12: 00
                Quote: gladiatorakz

                What is the nonsense?


                The nonsense is that getting a hunter, and even more so a permission for a rifled ... Sex life is not enough. I speak for a reason. There is an example from the inner circle. Yes, and his hands got used to AK, but even if he is in the house, it is better to quiet. hi
                1. gladiatorakz
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                  4 January 2013 12: 11
                  Quote: gribnik777
                  Yes, and hands got used to AK

                  You are so picky. To protect the homeland, teeth are also weapons.


                  Quote: gribnik777
                  The nonsense is that to get a hunting, and even more so permission to rifled ... Sex life is not enough

                  But the second half of life with Kalash will be !!! bully In fact, everything is not so sad. (unless of course there are problems with the PND, UK) They give the rifled after five years of ownership of the smoothbore. On smoothbore 1-6 months. You collected the papers - filed. Sit - wait. A smoothbore is a very serious weapon. A lot of advantages, even over Kalash. Up to 50 meters.
                  1. gribnik777
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                    4 January 2013 12: 28
                    Quote: gladiatorakz
                    What are you picky

                    In a critical situation, motor skills save lives.

                    I do not deny everything I have said above, but I say: "GLORY TO GOD THAT I HAVE NO WEAPON." Otherwise, I would hardly have existed in this world at all. Wrong character. (That's why there are no weapons. smile )
                    1. gladiatorakz
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                      4 January 2013 12: 39
                      Quote: gribnik777
                      I do not deny everything I have said above, but I say: "GLORY TO GOD THAT I HAVE NO WEAPON." Otherwise, I would hardly have existed in this world at all. Wrong character.

                      I absolutely disagree. In Russia, there is clearly a wave of non-Russians now. One must always be able to adequately respond.
                      1. +7
                        4 January 2013 16: 35
                        Ohh, thank God Moldavians are not involved in this)))))))))))) I just want to move to Russia, and I would not want to take measures against migration, I think these measures should not concern those who are close relatives of citizens of the Russian Federation, and is vitally connected with Russia.
                      2. +2
                        4 January 2013 21: 42
                        Quote: Alexander Petrovich
                        I think these measures should not concern those who have close relatives of citizens of the Russian Federation

                        Then the Asians will come to us with auls.
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                        6 January 2013 02: 19
                        Strength in unity, not in comments smile
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                      6 January 2013 02: 18
                      In this life, you need to move your brains quickly, not your ass!
                    3. adolph1
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                      8 January 2013 22: 28
                      I very much agree with you! My mother is armed with a good saying: God did not give the horns to a vigorous cow!
                  2. +12
                    4 January 2013 12: 30
                    gladiatorakz, agree with you. I have a saiga short 20 caliber for seven years already, I got permission without any problems, I can buy a rifled one, but so far there is no need (although to be honest, as I see the old CBT, my hands begin to tremble, but so far I have not found a normal option). And so a shot in buckshot from saiga in close combat is almost the turn of AK.
                    1. gladiatorakz
                      +5
                      4 January 2013 12: 45
                      Quote: sergey32
                      gladiatorakz, I agree with you. I have a saiga short 20 caliber for seven years already, I got permission without any problems, I can buy a rifled one, but so far there is no need (although to be honest, as I see the old CBT, my hands begin to tremble, but have not yet found a normal option). And so a shot in buckshot from saiga in close combat is almost the turn of AK.

                      Serge, looked at your profile picture, HEALTHY !!! I’ll go today too. And then swimming already for the New Year. That's where health is hiding: in the hole, not in a glass !!!
                      1. +5
                        4 January 2013 12: 57
                        You infected me, I’ll go to the font too. Russians, hare plump.
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                        6 January 2013 02: 23
                        Nakati is better than a hundred grams! How can a Russian without a glass of vodka be Russian anymore ...
                      3. +2
                        6 January 2013 05: 52
                        You know, there is an old Cossack saying: NOT THE COSSACK WHO HAS KEEPING STRONGLY, AND THAT THE ENEMY IS BEATING FAST! Russian, stop thumping!
                    2. +2
                      4 January 2013 14: 40
                      Quote: sergey32
                      a shot in buckshot from a saiga in close combat is almost the turn of AK.
                      MP-153, 12 caliber, buckshot. At close range Kalash will smoke. You don’t even have to aim precisely.
                      1. +4
                        4 January 2013 14: 44
                        Recently, he became the owner of such a device, a heavy bastard (especially with a store extension cord), but herachit like an automatic gun.
                      2. +4
                        4 January 2013 15: 03
                        Quote: hrych
                        heavy bastard

                        His burden does not pull. To hunt with grandfather's trigger 16 caliber; and not hard and not expensive. And let Murka stand in the safe. She for the time being, and the bipedal beast ....
                      3. +4
                        4 January 2013 15: 24
                        So, I don’t even mind.
                      4. Твtvjag
                        +8
                        4 January 2013 20: 52
                        I would not want to be a prophet, but the hunt for nerus is no longer tans, otherwise they will open the hunt for us.
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                        6 January 2013 02: 25
                        What did you want? This is not a woman for you.
                      6. gladiatorakz
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                        4 January 2013 18: 33
                        Quote: Normal
                        MP-153, 12 caliber, buckshot. At close range Kalash will smoke. You don’t even have to aim precisely.

                        That is yes. Poke towards the adversary. Yes, hold on tight. laughing (I have a remington)
                  3. 0
                    4 January 2013 19: 48
                    Quote: gladiatorakz
                    A lot of advantages, even over Kalash. To 50 meters.


                    Quite right! For self-defense or even close combat, more is not needed. I recommend "Saiga-410" ...
                    1. +1
                      6 January 2013 06: 03
                      Here you are all about the trunks .... Start small, guys, - make a horizontal bar at home !!!
                      1. gladiatorakz
                        +1
                        6 January 2013 17: 34
                        Quote: DS22
                        Start small, guys - make a horizontal bar at home !!!


                        I have a gym at home. Yes, and so I go to training. And here are a few horizontal bars, bars in the yards and commonly. places I have long set. There are many young people on them all the time! Put in the summer a couple more shock simulators. I built a volleyball field of year 4. I buy nets, hang. Football for beach soccer that spring. Friends helped, some with pipes, who welded the gate, a lot himself.
                2. +4
                  4 January 2013 14: 35
                  Quote: gribnik777
                  get hunting, and even more so permission to rifled ... Sex life is not enough

                  Recently "made" a hunting ticket. In Moscow, 10 days with certificates and photographs. Is free! Permit for rifled after 5 years of smoothbore ownership
                3. +6
                  4 January 2013 19: 45
                  Quote: gribnik777
                  what to get hunting, and even more so permission to rifled ... Sex life is not enough.


                  And in what parts of this chaos, let me know? I have had a weapon for 15 years now, and I will re-register my license every five years. I have a smooth barrel for hunting, a shortened rifled "Saiga" (the same AKSU, only without bursts of fire) in the house for self-defense and injuries to carry with me in some cases. And there never were any problems. Of course, if you are a law-abiding citizen, without a criminal record, you are not an alcoholic or a junkie ...
                  The law on weapons is uniform throughout Russia and the procedure and terms for obtaining a license to own weapons are clearly spelled out in it.
                  By the way, now the Law on Arms allows you to have a smoothbore at home for self-defense and without a hunting ticket ...
                  Read the law, my friends, live by the law and demand the execution of the law from others (including the cops), and everything will be without problems!
                  1. +3
                    4 January 2013 21: 38
                    Guys, what are you talking about. Our laws are so liberal that the use of any firearm threatens the owner of this weapon with confiscation and litigation, and this court case could be turned so that the owner would be to blame, and some for .... the Tajik would be hawking. I have both a smooth barrel and a rifled one, but all hunters hand and foot are bound by laws. Protecting your life and the life of your loved ones, then you need to prove your legitimate actions in court. Can you prove yet?
                    1. gladiatorakz
                      +2
                      4 January 2013 21: 51
                      Quote: Simon
                      Guys, what are you talking about. Our laws are so liberal that the use of any firearm threatens the owner of this weapon with confiscation and litigation, and this court case could be turned so that the owner would be to blame, and some for .... the Tajik would be hawking. I have both a smooth barrel and a rifled one, but all hunters hand and foot are bound by laws. Protecting your life and the life of your loved ones, then you need to prove your legitimate actions in court. Can you prove yet?

                      Better to be in prison than to be in a graveyard! It’s good if he himself, and if one of the relatives. So there is nothing to think of Simon - the situation arose who you have time to!
                      1. +11
                        4 January 2013 22: 10
                        Quote: Simon
                        the use of any firearm threatens the owner of this weapon with confiscation and litigation

                        ".... Act strictly according to the law.
                        I mean, act like a chihari ... "
                        When, after using a service weapon to kill, the police arrived, the first thing I heard from them was: "You need to shoot so that there is no one to testify to later" (my "copy" was just wounded)
                        Yes, then hassle. Yes, then a trial, where it was not clear which of us would sit down, and which would leave with his head held high. Thank God I went out. But this is a school of life. This is an experience. And if the situation repeats, I will press the trigger again. Only in my head I will keep the advice received from the policeman.
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                        6 January 2013 02: 29
                        First you need to evaluate this problem and try to solve it.
                4. 0
                  4 January 2013 23: 29
                  Quote: gribnik777
                  Sex is not enough

                  Sorry for being rude, don’t carry garbage, but if you’re talking with examples, it’s not according to the principle - one, two, a lot, and specifically how long did it take for your friend to arrange a ticket hunt
                5. adolph1
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                  8 January 2013 22: 26
                  Don't tell me. Quite in half a year you will meet, and if YOU are a warrior or a "policeman", then even faster, since you don't need a certificate from a Durkee. But alas, there is no point in your COVENANT gun. Why? Read my comment above.
              2. G
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                +1
                6 January 2013 02: 15
                Oh yeah, if there can’t be a spirit in a piece of iron, it’s a weapon. You’re worshiping a Kalashnikov assault rifle like a god, judging by the comments laughing This is stupid! Well, they’ll give you a gun what’s next? Will you go to blame all the hacks? Or will there be confidence? And most importantly, they’re not killing with weapons but with the heart !!! Guy that damn me ..
              3. adolph1
                0
                8 January 2013 22: 19
                From one weapon to a little good man! Actually, the presence of you mentioned "Saiga" or "Remington" will only increase your level of self-esteem and, alas, nothing more. But the opportunity to use it for self-defense or protection of your home (well, when, for example, uncle "AhmEd" comes to your kitchen to cut you for seeing the beautiful face of his "SulikO") while in this country there is a criminal thing! It is far away in your "americas" that an adversary who has stepped on the lawn can be sent to his god without return, but in our "rashka" it is impossible! Cases of self-defense with the subsequent departure of a potential victim of an attack to places not so distant, not even tens or hundreds, believe it (even shooting a camera with subsequent indisputable evidence of your innocence does not change the situation.You will still sit down for exceeding the necessary self-defense measures or just for an attack on the national minority with purpose of ignition of the article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation No. 282)! And there is only one answer. Our Country has long been sold into anal slavery NOT ALWAYS RUSSIAN officials and rulers!
            2. 0
              4 January 2013 23: 27
              Quote: gribnik777
              "Kalash" and a hunting ticket - what nonsense!

              what are your suggestions ?!
        3. +21
          4 January 2013 11: 23
          Quote: gribnik777
          and that most markets are controlled by ethnic organized crime groups

          How much time (if desired) will the state need to throw out all the Caucasian thieves in law and their sixes from the country? I think no more than a day.
          No desire, there is an organized criminal group hi
          1. gribnik777
            +4
            4 January 2013 11: 38
            No desire, there is an organized criminal group

            Too much in the grip of the legalized OPGershnikov. Where does the desire come from? It will be like suicide.
            1. +7
              4 January 2013 12: 26
              Quote: gribnik777

              Too much in the grip of the legalized OPGershnikov.

              To abolish parliamentary immunity and half will be eliminated at all levels. And here we also rest on the desire of the state or the rigidity of the president
              1. gribnik777
                +4
                4 January 2013 12: 34
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Cancel parliamentary immunity


                I vote by all members for !!!
                Who is against? AND?...
                1. +4
                  4 January 2013 13: 02
                  Quote: gribnik777
                  Who is against? AND?..

                  MPs and members of organized crime groups against hi
                  1. 0
                    4 January 2013 20: 47
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    MPs and members of organized crime groups against

                    You can agree with the organized crime group on a compromise basis, but it’s more complicated with the deputies, they are worse than the organized crime group, they give birth to laws, if something is wrong for them, then a miscarriage.
                    1. +2
                      5 January 2013 06: 26
                      Quote: olegyurjewitch
                      OPG can be negotiated on a compromise basis

                      Maybe the state will start paying them for the roof? What trade-offs are you talking about?
                    2. adolph1
                      0
                      8 January 2013 22: 40
                      Yes, you think you misunderstand the meaning of organized crime groups! (sic!) This is your organized crime group and there is power! How would you not be sad to admit it !!!
              2. +7
                4 January 2013 13: 17
                Oh, but there are deputies on the site, I was slapped for such an offer laughing
                1. Denzel13
                  +2
                  4 January 2013 13: 36
                  All with the past!

                  Sasha, yes, for such an offer they will not only slap you for minutes. laughing
                2. gribnik777
                  +3
                  4 January 2013 14: 28
                  !
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Oh, but there are deputies on the site, I was slapped for such an offer


                  I compensate with my plus +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
                3. +2
                  4 January 2013 19: 07
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Oh, but there are deputies on the site,

                  If they are on the site, then they are not in the thought .... Yes
                  1. +2
                    5 January 2013 06: 25
                    Quote: Tersky
                    If they are on the site, then they are not in the thought

                    Yes, they are not there anyway, as they don’t show on TV - some empty chairs hi
                    1. Denzel13
                      +2
                      5 January 2013 11: 12
                      And when will they do the main things for them in your opinion? laughing
              3. +3
                4 January 2013 21: 20
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Cancel parliamentary immunity

                She was specially invented to do dark things! Who will cancel it? In our country, it can only be canceled by the people, with all the consequences ....
          2. +4
            4 January 2013 19: 01
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            will the state need to throw out all the Caucasian thieves in law and their sixes out of the country?

            Hi Sasha, the answer to your question is Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Nationalities Gadzhet Safaraliev in the course, ............ hi and further in the text, since the nationalities are RUSSIAN recently, years, so this 5-6 is not observed in Russia ...
            1. +2
              5 January 2013 06: 28
              Quote: Tersky
              since the nationality is RUSSIAN lately, 5-6 years is not observed in Russia ..

              And I'm Russian, maybe he’s watching Qatar TV?
          3. +2
            4 January 2013 21: 18
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            No desire, there is an organized criminal group

            There is no political will !!! hi
            Yes, and try to drive them out now!
          4. Natasha
            0
            6 January 2013 02: 31
            In our country, illegal immigrants are lodged precisely by those who must identify them, in each yard there is a car wash or a “painting” or a repair, and there black and black, the same nationality ... Some illegal immigrants have already seen them for a long time (visually they are here in St. Petersburg, everyone can distinguish), it’s clear that the street repair of cars located in the garage, where they live, has no right to officially invite foreign labor migration workers. The migrant is in 2 yards, and no one touches them, but they constantly take them away migrants who work in Auchan, etc. Apparently there is an incentive for this, someone forgot to unfasten or it was time to pay the salary and instead of another they paid the salary, saving ... For a day you can easily restore order by at least 80-90 percent. I want to note many illegal immigrants stop and criminals in general, they dishonor their normal compatriots working here.
        4. +54
          4 January 2013 12: 33
          We have no problems with Asians and Caucasians ....
          We problem with the authorities, with the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB ...
          It is with the indulgence of these structures that we have a drug trade (as an example, the Amur Partisans, a city without drugs by Rosman))
          It was the "Ministry of Internal Affairs" who defended the poor daghs in large numbers at the Demyanovo sawmill, turning their backs to them, and they were shooting at the Russians (aborigines) .... by the way, according to the Criminal Code, it sounds - "... a group of people, by prior conspiracy, organized by a group using weapons or objects similar to weapons .... "not a single dag was imprisoned, and the governor said that the Russians need to sleep it off ....
          In Sagra, the first thing they opened a criminal case against the resisting peasants, and those Azeris who went to shoot as part of the Organized, ethnic group, received sentences not for banditry, but for possession of weapons ....
          Kondopoga .... For three days, not only "black" but also cops were not visible on the streets ...
          .................. when it all starts, Asians and Caucasians in flocks and on foot will make their way back to the mountains, because They are cowards and can attack with a numerical superiority (like jackals)) and feeling support, and when they see officials of the Ministry of Internal Affairs on the lampposts (and it’s scary to say the FSB))) the way they appeared here will disappear .....

          power is the root of the problem, the lumps are consumable and inexpensive material, on the way "someone" collects them here specially for the "slaughterhouse" ..... and along the way. Successfully. blood, alas, can not be avoided, but it's a pity ... (some of the wipers were quite good))
          1. Skavron
            +11
            4 January 2013 12: 39
            Asgard ...
            Quote: Asgard
            They are cowards and can attack with a numerical superiority (like jackals))

            Plus!
          2. gladiatorakz
            +3
            4 January 2013 12: 59
            Quote: Asgard
            We have no problems with Asians and Caucasians ....
            We have a problem with the authorities, with the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB ...

            I will add Asgard: we have the main problem with ourselves. Alcohol, drugs.
            This is what prevents us from clearly seeing the problems and their solutions. Team up and act together. When Russia will be sober, not only will the governors and presidents be ours, but the president of Chechnya will also be some kind of chieftain Semenov.
            1. +9
              4 January 2013 13: 11
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              : we have a major problem with ourselves. Alcohol, drugs.

              Do we have everything without exception alcoholics and drug addicts? It’s not dope that prevents us from uniting, but the absence of a leader whom the people will follow.
              1. gladiatorakz
                0
                4 January 2013 13: 24
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Do we have all the alcoholics and drug addicts? It’s not dope that prevents us from uniting, but the absence of a leader whom the people will follow.

                Glory to the Gods is not. But 70% of the male population is for sure.
                A leader is needed for struggle, war, resistance. And when people begin to solve their minor problems themselves, then all the big ones will be solved too.
                And there will be leaders !!! When will be needed.
                1. slas
                  +3
                  4 January 2013 19: 27
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  But 70% of the male population is for sure.

                  Excuse me, but something you froze --- 70 percent alcoholics and nariks? Oh well
                  1. gladiatorakz
                    +1
                    4 January 2013 20: 07
                    Quote: slas
                    Excuse me, but something you froze --- 70 percent alcoholics and nariks?

                    How to say. Is a person who drinks once a month an alcoholic or not? Is he addicted to this? Apparently yes. If not dependent, then why does he do it?
                    Now let’s think: do we collect 30% of people who are absolutely not drinkers, or at least once a year? Oh, I doubt it.
                    Alcohol is removed for 40 days (brain), and functions are completely restored (if at all) according to some sources, 3 years. The topic is huge. The mass of frail counterarguments. I’ll just say everything is known through personal experience. ALL!!! Try not to drink for a year. 1. Check Willpower 2. Compare your abilities after a year. Thoughts Creation. Mood. Fizeau. 3. See how your financial situation has changed. 4. Find out who is a Friend and who is a drinking companion.
                    And then there will be EXPERIENCE for discussion about percentages. laughing
                    I sincerely wish you success!
                    1. slas
                      0
                      5 January 2013 01: 24
                      Quote: gladiatorakz
                      Now let’s think: do we collect 30% of people who are absolutely not drinkers, or at least once a year? Oh, I doubt it.

                      Well tady who after shaving and cologne --- also drunk Well, of course, who at least once yes inhaled tobacco smoke hi smoker
                      1. gladiatorakz
                        +1
                        5 January 2013 10: 58
                        Quote: slas
                        Well, tada who after shaving and cologne --- also drunk Well, of course, who at least once yes inhaled tobacco smoke an avid smoker

                        In your opinion, those who are only cones on the floor - do not ascribe to fagots? Or so: are they culturally cohabiting, not homosexuals? laughing
                        Do not twist my words or take at your own expense. I do not perceive the world in black and white. That's just the boundaries in semitones, each sets himself for himself. Any drunk started with cultural drinking. Anyone shouted: when I want to give up. Only threw units. The rest were drunk - down. Yes, this is not immediately noticeable, but the years go by and everything is put in place. hi
                      2. slas
                        0
                        5 January 2013 20: 15
                        Quote: gladiatorakz
                        How to say. Is a person who drinks once a month an alcoholic or not? Is he addicted to this? Apparently yes. If not dependent, then why does he do it?

                        Well, how do you understand? Your words or yours?
                      3. gladiatorakz
                        +1
                        5 January 2013 21: 55
                        Quote: slas
                        Well, how do you understand? Your words or yours?

                        It’s better for me to YOU.
                        How to understand my words yet? Here is a person buying food at home. Is he addicted to them? Of course. Hunger tells him about this. Therefore, buying alcohol, he also depends on him? What reasons can a non-dependent person spend money on poison? A wish. Here Sasha writes: a couple of bottles of beer and what am I drunk? Why is he spending money? Mental dependence (relax, relax, watch football, etc.) or physical (pipes burn, a hangover, the head is humming). Both that, and that - DEPENDENCE!
                      4. slas
                        +1
                        6 January 2013 10: 45
                        Well, let's start with the fact that I do not agree (and this is the main thing I want to say with which I do not agree) with the fact that we have 70% as you said drunks (and of course immediately in my head a picture of a homeless man with a glass - no sound like trash) This not so What is alcoholism? As MedEnts says---Alcoholism - a disease, a type of substance abuse, characterized by a painful addiction to alcohol (ethyl alcohol), with mental and physical dependence on it. The negative consequences of alcoholism can be expressed by mental and physical disorders, as well as violations of social relations of a person suffering from this disease. Yes, as the addiction says, the addiction is discord. One thing is addiction to products, so here mother nature is to blame for the self-preservation instincts. laughing what is the dependence on alcohol, it cited above The fact that we do not have adults who have not tried alcohol yet yes it is necessary in the afternoon with fire (but just tried) And as you said The topic is huge. The mass of frail counterarguments You can argue until vs ..... hi
                      5. gladiatorakz
                        +1
                        6 January 2013 11: 12
                        When one person says - Apple. The interlocutor imagines him. Thinks the bulk of the pictures. So one apple is green, the other is yellow, red, with a tail, baked, on a tree, in the mouth of a pig, with a worm, etc. This is an image. Here is an image of an alcoholic like you described.


                        Quote: slas
                        and of course immediately in my head a picture of a homeless person with a glass - just like a garbage can)

                        for me, this is only one of the stages of the disease. As you describe - one of the last. But a couple of bottles of beer is the initial one. I think you will not say that a couple of beers do not affect the body, brain, psyche in any way? At least temporarily. If you still think so, try to drink a liter of beer before a marathon or hard sparring. Rock climbing is great. laughing Only there, most often the first warning coincides with the last.
                        It’s good that you are discussing this issue. Most often, people who have stopped the internal struggle (and ALL are conducting it, many do not consciously) try not to touch these topics. Sometimes it takes time to realize some truth.
                      6. G
                        G
                        0
                        6 January 2013 03: 06
                        They drank themselves because weak people, they thought life was easy and simple. And here once a life struck blow after blow, no one is as hard as life.
                    2. G
                      G
                      -1
                      6 January 2013 02: 59
                      Hey nerd, And if I didn’t drink at all? I can’t discuss this topic with you?
                2. 0
                  5 January 2013 06: 23
                  Quote: gladiatorakz
                  Glory to the Gods is not. But 70% of the male population is for sure.

                  Excuse me, do you live in a brothel?
                  1. gladiatorakz
                    +1
                    5 January 2013 11: 05
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Excuse me, do you live in a brothel?

                    And you look around and ask yourself the same question. Go to the store in the evening. There are some supporters of healthy lifestyle rubbing.
                    To understand me correctly, I do not care if you drink or not. But .. Then talk about bad government, evil Caucasians, enemies around, etc. And it's simple: it’s not they who are strong - it’s you who become weak!
                    It’s like a tree in the garden watered with dichlorvos and wonder why it is weaker than the neighbors.
                    1. +2
                      5 January 2013 11: 20
                      Quote: gladiatorakz
                      And you look around and ask yourself the same question. Go to the store in the evening.

                      I go and what? If I take a couple of bottles of beer and drink, then automatically equate to alcoholics? For centuries in Russia, drunken drinks were drunk and the nation did not drink anything, even flew into space. You need to know!
                      Quote: gladiatorakz
                      And it's simple: they are not strong

                      They are strong. When their pack. When you pile up I run into all cracks. Having suffered the Russian people, but when patience ends ............ there are enough examples in modern life.
                      1. gladiatorakz
                        +1
                        5 January 2013 21: 44
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I go and what? If I take a couple of bottles of beer and drink, then automatically equate to alcoholics?

                        Sasha, are you with me now or with your inner self?
                        Everyone decides for himself where the line is. But over time, this feature is pushed back and blurred.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        For centuries in Russia, drunken drinks were drunk and the nation did not drink anything, even flew into space

                        It was certainly not due to alcohol that they flew into space. I think there were very few people drinking among the project participants. And notice all the people are proud of this achievement! And the fact that they drank for centuries is a lie. This is the media trying to instill. Could drinking Russia to increase its territory and save? Now we see it does not always work ....
                      2. G
                        G
                        0
                        6 January 2013 03: 10
                        Tolerate less!
                    2. G
                      G
                      0
                      6 January 2013 03: 08
                      You answer for yourself! And not for the whole country.
                3. G
                  G
                  0
                  6 January 2013 02: 50
                  So where do you get such accurate data about men?
              2. AK-47
                +8
                4 January 2013 14: 56
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                ... the absence of a leader whom the people will follow.

                It is not a leader, but a tough state policy regarding migrants, to establish areas of settled areas, strict passport control, and return the fifth column. Otherwise, the capture of Russia is inevitable.
              3. +2
                4 January 2013 21: 51
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                It’s not dope that prevents us from uniting, but the absence of a leader whom the people will follow.

                That's for sure! But we have a "false leader"! This is what we have lived to see! I am more than sure that the Russian people will stand up to defend their country! Hurry, maybe it's not too late! Although, the devil only knows where the line behind which everything was lost!
            2. G
              G
              0
              6 January 2013 02: 45
              I have been watching this site for a long time, and I noticed most like to scribble, but in fact you are zero?
          3. 0
            4 January 2013 21: 44
            Quote: Asgard
            power is the root of the problem, the lumps are consumable and inexpensive material, on the way "someone" collects them here specially for the "slaughterhouse" ..... and along the way. Successfully. blood, alas, can not be avoided, but it's a pity ... (some of the wipers were quite good))

            You can’t but agree! All this is done artificially and on purpose! But how different! Doesn't HE understand what is going on? Rave! All in the know! They only pretend that nothing is happening!
          4. G
            G
            +1
            6 January 2013 02: 40
            I respect the Caucasus! And you know why? For the fact that they have respect for the elders, we Russians do not have this.
        5. +7
          4 January 2013 14: 17
          We make noise, brothers, make noise! What's the point? The point is not in the market and not in the "Kalasha" under the pillow, but in the fact that there is no need to keep the "Kalasha" under the pillow, and this is already an assessment of the work of state bodies, and these very bodies are recruited and sent by those who pay them money from the public pocket. Russia has now become like a courtyard. Corruption is what will ultimately destroy our country. And this topic has already been raised more than once: see: October 18 and November 30, 2012. So what? Nobody reads our comments. So it will be now. In a day everything will be archived.
        6. +3
          4 January 2013 15: 38
          OCGs are not only ethnic. As for the law enforcement agencies, I won't say anything ... Conclusion: "Capital rules the world." Even at this level, the action of this axiom is clearly visible. With the collapse of the country, EVERYTHING became corrupt. And law enforcement agencies as well.
        7. kvodrato
          +2
          4 January 2013 20: 37
          Quote: gribnik777
          Do you know anything about how rebellious Russians were shot at the markets in the 90s, and that most markets are controlled by ethnic organized crime groups? Don't you know anything about the fact that local law enforcement agencies cover up these organized crime groups?

          It's right. I even know how chasing thieves and shooting so that the Russians would not keep the city
        8. +2
          4 January 2013 23: 27
          Quote: gribnik777
          The fact that local law enforcement agencies cover up these organized crime groups

          There is only one question in the police serve Russian or not?
      2. +22
        4 January 2013 10: 57
        Quote: Rus 72
        Are you just enraged by non-Russian people or are you jealous that the market place did not go to you?


        What does the market have to do with it?
        In a recent sensational statement by the governor of the neighboring Krasnodar Territory, Alexander Tkachev, the following words appeared: “Today I thought and reflected that we will still be in time: there is a filter between the Caucasus and Kuban - the Stavropol Territory. But now I see that he is not there. The next ones are you and me ... ”it became scary for the locals to go out not only in the evening in Kislovodsk, but also during the day in all Kavminvody. The heads of the eastern regions of the region, the police, and the prosecutor’s office almost always occupy the side of visitors in ethnic conflicts. And it’s easy to explain. Visitors pay them "for loyalty." Many officials made good money from the uncontrolled resettlement of Caucasian migrants in the Stavropol Territory, and then they left everything themselves and left for Moscow and the Moscow Region.
        1. Lakkuchu
          -10
          4 January 2013 11: 57
          Quote: Vadivak
          In a recent sensational statement by the governor of the neighboring Krasnodar Territory, Alexander Tkachev, the following words appeared: “Today I thought and reflected that we still have time: there is a filter between the Caucasus and Kuban - Stavropol


          Alexander Tkachev apparently “forgot” that Kuban is also the Caucasus.
          1. +9
            4 January 2013 12: 14
            I’ll intercede for Tkachev, Kuban is a steppe region where the river of the same name flows, not to be confused with the Krasnodar Territory, which includes, in particular, Aibga Mountain of the Caucasus Mountains.
            1. Lakkuchu
              -4
              4 January 2013 12: 39
              Everyone understands perfectly well that by Kuban Tkachev meant the entire Krasnodar Territory, and not some region or districts. The entire left bank of the Kuban River is the spurs of the Caucasus Mountains, but the point is not even geography, but history. The very names of settlements, mountains, gorges, rivers, etc. speak for themselves - Sochi, Matsesta, Dzhubga, Tuapse, Natukhaevskaya, etc. you can list endlessly. To call these lands primordially Cossack is a spit on the indigenous population of these lands - the Circassians. It is not surprising that actions like various "marches" under the eloquent name "Kuban - Cossack land" cannot help improve interethnic relations in this region. Now it means that the Circassians will also arrange something similar, then the Armenians? It is necessary to demand that the authorities and law enforcement agencies perform their duties properly, and not organize nationalist marches.
              1. +10
                4 January 2013 12: 53
                Adygei came to these lands in the Middle Ages, driving away and destroying the local population, and were removed from there in the 19th century, the usual world practice of the ways of peoples. Scare the Russians by Armenians and Circassians, well, laugh by laugh, we are not afraid of the Chinese and Amers, but here the peoples are dying. I do not want to offend national feelings, but you also know your historical place.
                1. Lakkuchu
                  0
                  4 January 2013 13: 21
                  You have little knowledge of the history of the region. Adygs live on this land for thousands of years and will live. Where did you see any threats in my comment? Why am I scaring the Russians ?! Read carefully. You don't need to see in the comments what is not there. Unlike many on this site, I never allow myself to stoop to insults even an individual person, not to mention nations, peoples, communities of nations, confessions. It is a pity that this vicious practice continued in the new year and, as often happens, the moderators “like they don’t see anything.” You don’t need to tell others their historical place;
                  1. +7
                    4 January 2013 13: 29
                    There was such a Zikhi people whom Strabo mentioned, until the 15th century their name was still preserved in places like an anachronism. Pseudoscience tried to identify them with the Circassians, but the people of Zikhi (zig), the descendants of the Pelazgs (people of the sea), settled these areas like a sea colony. And now find me a fleet at the Circassians, here is the answer. Neither are the Circassians - people of the sea.
                    1. Lakkuchu
                      +3
                      4 January 2013 14: 01
                      Our discussion in this vein is simply meaningless, don’t you? To prove to me that the Circassians are a non-indigenous population of these lands, and the Cossacks are indigenous .. hmm .. I honestly even pity this senseless argument. I will try to convey my main point, which I tried to express in the first comment. What do we have now in the Krasnodar Territory, and indeed in the Stavropol Territory? This is, firstly, a multinational region where representatives of different nationalities live. Secondly, if there are problems with violations of the law, newcomers commit crimes, then the relevant authorities must fight this, however, as elsewhere in the country. Power should work as it should, and not fill pockets. Thirdly, nationalistic tricks from any direction only intensify the situation, and not improve it. Do you disagree with this?
                      1. +9
                        4 January 2013 14: 20
                        In the Caucasus, Adygs are an indigenous population and live there, as the Highlanders really have not argued with this for thousands of years, but on the Black Sea coast of the Krasnodar Territory you were not an indigenous population. One Genoese мa udak in the 15th century identified ziks (Vikings of the Black Sea), whom there already did not remain a few hundred years ago with the highlanders and went off. The Ziki coastal people didn’t go into the mountains either, and the Circassians were highlanders, and there they were their real. Now there is reality and these Russian lands. At the expense of national tricks, everything is true, but you need to start with yourself and adapt to minorities, Russians are tired and this is a fact. The growth of the national identity of Russians and Cossacks as a Russian subethnos cannot be stopped either by me or you, and it is precisely the outrage of the mountaineers that accelerates it. How it all ends depends on you, but I'm afraid it is your xenophobia that will give a response and everything will happen again.
                      2. Lakkuchu
                        +3
                        4 January 2013 14: 54
                        A small clarification, I am not an Adyghe, but I know the history of the Adygs, as well as the history of the Caucasus in general, because I love and study history since childhood. Adygs (Circassians) are not one people, but many small kindred peoples, or as tribes used to say. Some of them lived in the mountains, some on the coast, for example, the Sochi region was inhabited by Ubykhs. Now these lands are not Russian, but Russian. Once there was a settlement of the North Caucasus by Russians, now the reverse process is going on, this is also a reality. Everyone needs to start with themselves. Mudakov and lackeys are enough among all peoples, unfortunately among the Caucasian youth there are too many of them, and it is they who are striking in their behavior, but they are not all! Self-awareness is also growing among all peoples, and this is a normal process if it does not turn into frenzied nationalism. Personally, I do not suffer from xenophobia, I grew up in an international environment, the best childhood friends, I had Kazakh and Russian.
                      3. +3
                        4 January 2013 15: 16
                        Apparently, the Ubykhs also finished off the remnants of zekes, who, like any colony, having lost the support of the metropolis, began to degrade. The most interesting thing is that, living on the coast, they did not become sailors and fishermen and did not build cities and ports, but continued to engage in the main occupations of the highlanders: sheep breeding, robbery and the slave trade, then the Emperor allowed them to relocate to Turkey (did not liquidate). The reverse process of settlement by the highlanders will end soon and the reverse process of the reverse will begin. The forerunner to him is Russian marches, which is why these harmless processions frighten some.
                      4. +3
                        4 January 2013 15: 42
                        By name, apparently belong to the Laks, and if more correctly to the Kumyk nationality.
                      5. Lakkuchu
                        +1
                        4 January 2013 16: 05
                        Quote: hrych
                        By name, apparently belong to the Laks, and if more correctly to the Kumyk nationality.

                        I really am a Lack, but Laks and Kumyks are completely different peoples, although we are united by belonging to a common small homeland - Dagestan.
                      6. +1
                        4 January 2013 16: 08
                        And why did they call Laks the Kazikumyks before?
                      7. Lakkuchu
                        +2
                        4 January 2013 16: 24
                        The fact is that from the earliest times the capital of our people was the large village of Kazi - Kumukh (Ghazi - Gumuchi in Lak). It was one of the largest villages in Dagestan, which brought together merchants, various delegations from many parts of the Caucasus and even the Middle East. When the Russians began to appear in Dagestan, they called all the Laks in the main village, well, the Chechens also seem to call GIaz - GIumki. This is where the confusion went. There was a time that all Dagestan highlanders were called Lezghins in Russian sources. Kumyks are inhabitants of the foothills and plains and their language belongs to the Turkic group, Laks are inhabitants of the mountains and our language belongs to the Nakh-Dagestan group of languages, which includes Avar, Dargin, Lezgin, Chechen. Ingush, etc.
                      8. +4
                        4 January 2013 16: 28
                        I also read on the internet, so I admit a mistake, it’s purely in harmony. You have enough tribes and peoples.
                      9. Lakkuchu
                        0
                        4 January 2013 16: 43
                        So welcome to us in Dagestan. Do not think that we have only terrorists and bandits. We have a very hospitable people, once thousands of tourists came, now of course much less, the collapse of the union and the damned war buried everything.
                      10. +4
                        4 January 2013 17: 34
                        In general, the world is peace!
            2. tungus-meteorit
              -2
              5 January 2013 17: 25
              And from what mountain does the Kuban river flow? The steppe river is only in its lowest reaches, near Krasnodar, and above it is in the mountains and starts from Mount Elbrus if you are not aware. Well, Circassian Circassians lived before the Russians arrived in the Caucasus, right up to the middle reaches of the Don. Open the same Sholokhov, the Pacific Don - then many Cossacks still considered themselves descendants of the Circassians. We must not separate, but combine. This is the salvation of Russia.
        2. +1
          4 January 2013 15: 05
          Many officials made good money from the uncontrolled resettlement of Caucasian migrants in the Stavropol Territory, and then they left everything themselves and left for Moscow and the Moscow Region.

          These officials would be caught, but put back in the Stavropol Territory, in the villages that already became Caucasian-Muslim.
        3. +1
          4 January 2013 21: 23
          Quote: Vadivak
          But now I see that he is not

          Substitution of values ​​and benchmarks! For grandmothers they will sell their mother! am
        4. tungus-meteorit
          +1
          5 January 2013 15: 36
          In fact, the Russians in the Stavropol and Kuban are alien people themselves. Just a little over 200 years ago, all this was considered the lands of Turkey and its vassal peoples: Circassians, Nogais and other indigenous peoples of these places, please note. But, over these couple of centuries, Russians have also become the indigenous people of the Caucasus and the Slavs must not leave here, but live and give birth to more children. And engage in their spiritual and moral fulfillment. Go to the same Cossack patrols and squads. The eastern regions of Stavropol were always no longer populated by Russians - Nogais, Turks, Kumyks, Dagestanis. It is another matter that the West and the Saudis abandoned Wahhabism there and anti-Russian separatist propaganda is being conducted. Remember that in the neighborhood is Chechnya, which at one time generally fought against Russia. And yet: many Russians embrace Islam, in its radical form. And to resist all this is possible only by returning to Orthodoxy, not in words and on holidays (Easter, Christmas, Epiphany, etc.), but in practice and in real life. This will cause respect for Russians in Muslims. Indeed, in the same Islam, as is believed: the atheists and pagans are the worst infidels, and the Jews and Christians are the people of Scripture. Like this.
      3. predator.3
        +14
        4 January 2013 11: 21
        Quote: Rus 72
        Have you done anything to become the owner of the market?

        Our people work on the land, they have no time to sit all day in the market, before (about 20 years ago) they came quietly and sold their products in this market, and now they are occupied by Azeris, some of whom travel to rural areas and buy up the population of these very products, and local move ordered.
      4. +16
        4 January 2013 11: 24
        There is one problem of the Russian people - the market, like shops with goods - is not a Russian tradition. If we take the story, then in Russia there were annual fairs, according to the results of crops, etc., which lasted no more than a few days and the goods were thrown on the shelves by the manufacturer. That bazaar-wagzal-cherkizon is the eastern Azerbaijani bazaar where the merchant is not a producer, but a professional huckster and works every day. This model was imposed from above; moreover, there was a degeneration of collective farm markets, an anachronism of the Soviet era and shuttle ugliness, when nuclear physicists drove to Turkey and China for lousy junk in checkered trunks. Well, here for those who have it in their blood, namely, the Chinese and Azerbaijanis, there is no competition here, especially bargaining, breathing in, running after the buyer, begging to buy their feces, and ethnic crime. It’s in the blood of Russians to build spaceships and rockets, to be warriors and good workers, and someone is a huckster, a weigher, etc. In general, there is nothing to envy. But the most important thing is that the markets came to an end, they started from Chirkizon, but it will come to the most seedy provincial shocks, the question is time, and with a ban on selling beer in stalls and a kayuk came to them. In general, the Azerbaijanis came to an end in Russia and in the near future, although they got fake citizenship, they will not have anything to live on, and they will not be able to work in factories and type factories, in general, the transformation of this particular people will begin. And then there are Russian nationalists who secretly and explicitly raise their heads. The prospects are not bright.
      5. +8
        4 January 2013 11: 35
        I understand that these questions are for me. Admins deleted my comment, I don’t know what they saw there. Well, maybe the answer is not deleted. So, when they seized the markets, I was on alert. And about envy, it’s not mine, until recently I had a more masculine occupation, defending the homeland, but now too.
      6. +1
        4 January 2013 20: 22
        This is you, mister with the nickname Rus 72, worried about a place in the market. My only concern is that the guests who come to my house behave. like pigs, although they position themselves as Muslims. It seems to me that they are not guests.
      7. +3
        4 January 2013 20: 34
        Quote: Rus 72
        Are you just enraged by non-Russian people or are you jealous that the market place did not go to you?

        The owner of the market, as a rule, is either Asian or Caucasian, who has long been legalized in Russia, this is not just pick out from the shell, but he, in turn, makes the choice of his own priority, opposing the local.
      8. +1
        5 January 2013 20: 44
        As for the place on the market .. lasers are still present .... and other trading team, and so, this scum "fraternal" to drive is long overdue. And hard to drive.
        Really rolls up ... and I think it’s not alone in thoughts. They were not masters, and never will be, normal people find themselves at home, in Rodina, scum leaves, and trash. And the attitude towards them is appropriate .... While we tolerate .
    2. consul
      +23
      4 January 2013 09: 58
      It is necessary not to limit migration (which must be stopped), but to start their eviction from the country (by quarters), but, I suspect, this will require an army, IMHO.
      1. YARY
        +12
        4 January 2013 10: 15
        start their eviction from the country


        That's right Denis! The restriction is already "unmindful" !!!!
        1. +6
          4 January 2013 10: 55
          My suggestions
          in every possible way to facilitate the resettlement to Siberia and the Far East of both Russians, giving benefits to both Ukrainians and Belarusians, giving the latter citizenship of the Russian Federation in a declarative manner,
          reduce taxes on the salaries of workers in specialties and increase taxes on salaries for office plankton,
          reduce the number of universities and students by at least half at the expense of lawyers, economists, managers, who train future loafers and unemployed,
          reduce the number of unnecessary long days off, especially on NG, which bring enormous damage to the economy and health.
          1. 0
            4 January 2013 13: 22
            Quote: sergey32
            to facilitate the resettlement of both Russians to Siberia and the Far East by giving benefits to both Ukrainians and Belarusians, giving the latter citizenship of the Russian Federation in a declarative manner,

            Only Ukrainians not from Western Ukraine. They will quickly join the ranks of those eager to prove that this is their land, not Russia!
            1. Твtvjag
              -1
              4 January 2013 21: 00
              I can already see how they ran from Western Ukraine to settle Siberia .... how come. All the able-bodied people work with us, and drunks and goners in Russia are rampant.
      2. +29
        4 January 2013 11: 02
        Quote: consul
        It’s necessary not to limit migration (which must be stopped), but to start their eviction from the country (by quarters), but, I suspect, this will require an army


        Once Stalin was tired of deserters from "brave Caucasians" For the second half of 1941, the number of deserters was 12 thousand 365 people who evaded conscription - 1093. During the first mobilization of Chechens and Ingush in the Red Army in 1941, it was planned to form a cavalry division from their composition, however, when it was recruited, only 50% (4247 people) of the available draft contingent could be recruited, and 850 people from those already recruited upon arrival at the front immediately went over to the enemy.
        In total, during the three years of the war, 49 Chechens and Ingush deserted from the ranks of the Red Army, another 362 evaded the draft, which totals 13 people. He died on the fronts and went missing (and the latter include those who went over to the enemy), just 389 people. The twice-smaller Buryat people, which the German occupation did not threaten, lost 62751 thousand people at the front, and the Ossetians, who were one and a half times inferior to Chechens and Ingush, lost almost 2300 thousand. At the same time that the decree on resettlement was published, only 13 Chechens, Ingush and Balkars were in the army. That is, ten times more deserted than fought.

        So he solved the problem in three days from June 22, 1941 to February 23, 1944, 3078 gang members were killed and 1715 people were taken prisoner in Checheno-Ingush; it was clear that while the bandits gave someone food and shelter, banditry would be defeated impossible. That is why on January 31, 1944, a decree of the GKO of the USSR No. 5073 was adopted on the abolition of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and the deportation of its population to Central Asia and Kazakhstan.

        On February 23 1944, the Lentil operation began, during which 180 trains were sent from Checheno-Ingushetia along 65 wagons in each with a total number of 493 269 people being resettled. 20 072 firearms were seized. During resistance, 780 Chechens and Ingush were killed, and 2016 were arrested for possession of weapons and anti-Soviet literature.

        6544 people managed to hide in the mountains. But many of them soon descended from the mountains and surrendered.
        Now on February 23rd we have a holiday and mourning in Chechnya. Like the whole world community
        1. tungus-meteorit
          0
          5 January 2013 17: 34
          / Once Stalin was tired of deserters from "brave Caucasians" / And Stalin himself is not a Caucasian, is he? :))) That made me laugh! Write specifically, what nationality Caucasians and what they did. Well, they indicated correctly: Chechens, Ingush and Balkars. And then "Caucasians". Among the Ossetians and Kabardians, for example, the losses were even more than Russians, and the heroes of the Soviet Union were the most of the peoples of the former USSR. Specify, please, and more correctly
      3. +5
        4 January 2013 11: 15
        Quote: consul
        , and start their eviction from the country (in quarters), but, I suspect, this will require an army, IMHO.

        If the Russian peasants become one, then the army will not be needed. In the meantime, we all sit at computers and complain about anyone, but not ourselves.
        1. MilaPhone
          +3
          4 January 2013 11: 34
          Nifiga you are quick to kill! Are you planning to evict the quarters !!! And have you thought about the Russians and other Christians living there? No?
          Erase the fumes of indignation from your monitors And figure out how to resettle them in Russia. Or how to take under control those who carry out control for migrants.
          The number of Russians in Asian countries:
          Kazakhstan: 3 (726 estimate)
          Uzbekistan: 620 (000 estimate)
          Kyrgyzstan: 381 562 (2012 estimate)
          Azerbaijan: 119 (300 census)
          Tajikistan: 68 (200 census)
          1. +13
            4 January 2013 11: 43
            Quote: Milafon
            Have you thought about Russians and other Christians living there? No?

            /
            We thought, but not us. As of 2002, there were 1 Russians in Grozny and half of the city in the 700s
          2. +7
            4 January 2013 12: 07
            Firstly, the GDP said that if you are a native speaker of the Russian language and culture, then we ask for favor, there will be support and assistance from the allocated funds, we need these people here, and if you do not want to return, you can help with a kick. And if they don’t need Russia, then excuse them from Russia too and this is not our problem, but their choice.
            1. +4
              4 January 2013 15: 16
              In all these words. Vaughn, my grandmother returned to Ukraine from Tolyatti from Ukraine, so they burnt a year and a half and did not give citizenship, respectively, and did not pay a pension ...
              1. +7
                4 January 2013 16: 55
                Better social problems in Russia than a cut throat in Turkestan.
          3. +6
            4 January 2013 18: 58
            These Russians from the Asian Bantustans need to create the most favorable conditions for moving to Russia, and the representatives of the Bantustans should simply not be allowed into the country (they travel to their "historical homeland" at least once a year) in a couple of years - total cleansing. there will be no more legally present. At the same time, the FSB is checking representatives of the immigration services and passport offices about "one hundred registered Tajiks in one room" with a 15-year jail sentence, and so - without parole! And then, when the "titular nations" in 1991-92 expelled the Russians from their cities and auls, the FUCK PRIZID of Russia was silent, drinking with "friends from the West", and then these Papuans, having driven out the Russians, realized that without the civilizational influence of the exiled, They have a direct road to the plane trees for two generations, rushed to Russia with the slogans: "Russia is our second homeland!" Fuck! Russia is OUR ONLY HOMELAND! But the Papuans do not sit in their first homelands. And their governments, if they want to join the Customs Union, must declare Russian the FIRST STATE language in their country, and local dialects - the second, and conduct education according to Russian standards. And then Russia will consider for a long time the possibility of accepting bantustans into a civilized Customs Union or the Eurasian Economic Community.
          4. +3
            4 January 2013 21: 38
            Quote: Milafon
            Nifiga you are quick to kill! Are you planning to evict the quarters !!! And have you thought about the Russians and other Christians living there? No?

            They need to be relocated to us!
        2. gladiatorakz
          +8
          4 January 2013 11: 49
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If the Russian peasants become one, then the army will not be needed. In the meantime, we all sit at computers and complain about anyone, but not ourselves.

          I completely agree. Only I see the main enemy for Rus - alcohol. Thump, some flirtatiously say periodically drink. From Willpower - dung turns out. There is no courage - there is only drunk courage, decisiveness is only drunk and so on. And he can defeat a drunk, even a child can deceive.
          And after sobriety comes clarity of problems and ways to solve them. (Only then many rulers, measures, governors, etc. will hang on the pitchfork)
        3. gribnik777
          +15
          4 January 2013 12: 18
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If the Russian peasants become one, then the army will not be needed.


          A small example.
          350 km from the capital. District center. Nearby are two large suburbs.
          In one of them, in the junior grade of the school, two local students out of 24 are the rest CITIZENS OF RUSSIA.
          Another suburb. Someone was going to sell a house. He was warned to CITIZENS did not have. I didn’t listen. No home, no money ... Ashes.
          If RUSSIAN men become ONE .....
          1. 0
            4 January 2013 12: 30
            Quote: gribnik777
            . I didn’t listen. No home, no money ..

            Well, say hello to him from sunny Uzbekistan laughing
            1. Dmitry23RUS
              +25
              4 January 2013 13: 09
              People offer a recipe for Napalm. To combat migration. In some countries, after applying this recipe in droves by the ethnic indigenous population, the state policy on accepting migrants was radically revised.

              I do not urge, I just write what really works. And all your comments on the internet are complete bullshit. You write, scribble violently, and they go and breed here. I am from Krasnodar, we already have entire areas populated by a little more than completely migrants and new ones are being built. And this is really a problem, it is recognized by both native Armenians, Russians and Circassians, all who have been living here for hundreds of years. For these new Asians carry with them disease, drug addiction, rape, murder, robbery. They do not want to learn Russian, they want money, booze, and girls with brown hair, and they do not care that the girls do not want them.

              These are the things people do. So ONLY NAPALM, And there the government itself will realize that it has gone too far.
      4. mda
        mda
        +3
        4 January 2013 13: 17
        Quote: consul
        start their eviction from the country

        Start eviction from the country of those who do not know Russian.
        1. +3
          4 January 2013 18: 40
          Quote: mda-a
          Start eviction from the country of those who do not know Russian

          Ha, what if he learns it, then he stops rubbing his stone? All the same, he’ll be croaking all over the street!
          1. mda
            mda
            0
            4 January 2013 18: 46
            Quote: almost demobilized
            Ha, what if he learns it, then he stops rubbing his stone? All the same, he’ll be croaking all over the street!

            And the wasps are especially harmful, send home.
  2. lotus04
    +14
    4 January 2013 09: 35
    On November 12, Gadzhet Safaraliev, Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Nationalities, at a press conference, “Can the Russian Labor Market Do Without Visitors?” stated that the Russian state lacks 50-70 million visiting workers.


    This is where the threat of Russia comes from - FROM THE Duma! 50-70 million !!! Yes, it's almost half the population of the whole country! .What! How many janitors do you need? Or is there a lot of skilled workers (with three classes of education)?
    1. Siberian
      -2
      4 January 2013 10: 02
      Quote: lotus04
      50-70 million visiting workers.

      and something somewhere, someone "farted" and the journalists picked it up ... And the forces interested in destabilization took the topic into service ...
      Think about who will do this ?????? They also do not want to lose power, they will do everything to maintain the modern status quo!
    2. +8
      4 January 2013 11: 00
      Quote: lotus04
      This is where the threat of Russia comes from - FROM THE Duma! 50-70 millions !!! Yes, it's almost half the population of the whole country!

      I am not a fan of Mr. Pozner, but calling his State Duma the State Duma, he seems to have been partly right ...
    3. +6
      4 January 2013 11: 06
      Quote: lotus04
      What! How many janitors do you need? Or there are a lot of skilled workers


      They all carry a bribe to officials, and for those it’s the prospect of leaving the mound leaving the country to these migrant children
      1. +1
        4 January 2013 21: 13
        Quote: Vadivak
        They all carry a bribe to officials, and for those it’s the prospect of leaving the mound leaving the country to these migrant children

        Here, the monetary and currency relationship between their officials and ours is clearly visible. Agree, of the cash flows that come from migrants to their homeland, you can give a small share to ours, and be calm, then it will return a hundredfold. And yet, the outflow of the population is beneficial , although temporary in fact, this situation removes social tension in these republics.
  3. Siberian
    +5
    4 January 2013 09: 46
    Goebbels' method in action. Tell the people 1000 times - "You idiots" 995 times people will believe it ...

    However, this is not a problem for Russia,
    self-deception, as terrorism rises in the region, terrorism in the central part of Russia will turn from hypothetical into real, but this is Russia's problem ...

    Can you ask how the author plans to raise Siberia? To bring in more "managers" from Moscow ??? But they will have to come to terms with the fact that in Siberia there are almost no homos ... kov, mad vaginas, "swamp revolutionaries". how will they survive?
    1. lechatormosis
      +22
      4 January 2013 10: 02
      well let's ask about this SERB
      when the number of Albanians in KOSOVO exceeded the CRITICAL LEVEL what happened to the SERBES?
      CORRECTLY kicked the owners out of their own apartment.
      the same thing can happen in RUSSIA.
      1. Siberian
        -4
        4 January 2013 10: 09
        Quote: lehatormoz
        well let's ask about this SERB
        when the number of Albanians in KOSOVO exceeded the CRITICAL LEVEL what happened to the SERBES

        import Ukrainians, Belarusians to Siberia once the Great Russians can not cope ...
        work through the options, or maybe an independent Siberian Ukraine is formed in Siberia ????
        1. lechatormosis
          +11
          4 January 2013 10: 44
          Also an option, but not the best
          Emphasis should be placed on stimulating childbirth of the indigenous population.
          Exempt large families from taxes. Stimulate the adoption of abandoned children
          It is NECESSARY to do so TO HAVE CHILDREN IT IS FAVORABLE TO EVERY CITIZEN OF RUSSIA - this is our future.
          And importing immigrants is a dead end.
          I do not want any jamaats, caliphates, khanates, ANCLAVES IN LIKE KOSOVO to appear in RUSSIA.
          1. gladiatorakz
            +3
            4 January 2013 11: 23
            Quote: lehatormoz
            It is NECESSARY to do so TO HAVE CHILDREN IT IS FAVORABLE TO EVERY CITIZEN OF RUSSIA - this is our future.

            Here is the level of thinking. To give birth to children with benefit !!! Well done !!!
            To make life easier - yes, and thinking from a position of profit is already something Jewish.
            1. lechatormosis
              +8
              4 January 2013 12: 19
              what other jews
              After the second child, the family should have benefits encouraged by the STATE
              MULTI-FAMILY FAMILIES SHOULD BE EXEMPTED FROM TAXES AND
              for each child, as in orphanages, there should be targeted assistance
              HAVING THREE FIVE AND MORE CHILDREN, NOT EVERY FAMILY MAY BE DRAWN, the task of the state should be precisely to help each family raise as many more children ..
              1. gladiatorakz
                +4
                4 January 2013 12: 28
                Quote: lehatormoz
                After the second child, the family should have benefits encouraged by the STATE
                MULTI-FAMILY FAMILIES SHOULD BE EXEMPTED FROM TAXES AND
                for each child, as in orphanages, there should be targeted assistance
                HAVING THREE FIVE AND MORE CHILDREN, NOT EVERY FAMILY MAY BE DRAWN, the task of the state should be precisely to help each family raise as many more children ..

                Absolutely agree!!! But to make life easier and seek profit, agree a little different things.
                1. lechatormosis
                  +3
                  4 January 2013 12: 40
                  Yes, I probably incorrectly DEMANDED the word BENEFIT; for some reason, the members of the forum associate with the Jewish community.
              2. +2
                4 January 2013 13: 40
                Quote: lehatormoz
                MULTI-FAMILY FAMILIES SHOULD BE EXEMPTED FROM TAXES

                I do not agree. Not all large families should be exempted from taxes.
                Millionaire is not a problem to adopt 5 children. Well, now he doesn’t have to pay taxes?
                1. lechatormosis
                  0
                  4 January 2013 14: 17
                  There are no such heroes among the millionaires.
                  1. 0
                    4 January 2013 16: 04
                    Quote: lehatormoz
                    There are no such heroes among the millionaires.

                    For the sake of profit - will appear.
                    And Abramovich has five of his children. You think you shouldn’t take taxes from him?
              3. +1
                4 January 2013 21: 17
                Quote: lehatormoz
                , the state’s task should be precisely to help each family raise as many more children ..

                But with respect to visitors this task is carried out, albeit indirectly. (For now) lol
          2. 0
            4 January 2013 11: 35
            I wonder how to do it. There are only declarations in your comment.
          3. YARY
            +3
            4 January 2013 13: 46
            And importing immigrants is a dead end.


            This is not a dead end road, but a mine under the Russian people!
          4. +1
            4 January 2013 15: 11
            Emphasis should be placed on stimulating childbirth of the indigenous population.

            The question is good, but it can’t be solved. Everything is only in words. My eldest daughter does not give birth, because there is no apartment and is not expected, they live in a rented apartment, giving half of the earnings shared with her husband for her.
            1. +1
              5 January 2013 15: 56
              Quote: vladimir VR
              My eldest daughter does not give birth, because there is no apartment and is not expected,

              An apartment is a cage. Let's look at America so beloved by everyone. In the center of the city there is a down town - skyscrapers with offices in them. Further in the middle part of the market and enterprises. And most people live on the outskirts in private houses. at least as rebuild-increase as the size of the site and finances allow.
              Recall the Russian family. The head father, sons get married - they usually bring wives to themselves - even more luminaries are attached. So 40 people did not live in the house. This is called the clan (clan).
          5. Siberian
            0
            4 January 2013 15: 26
            Quote: lehatormoz
            Exempt large families from taxes. Stimulate the adoption of abandoned children
            It is NECESSARY to do so TO HAVE CHILDREN IT IS FAVORABLE TO EVERY CITIZEN OF RUSSIA - this is our future.


            This is a long time, you may not be in time by hour X
          6. +1
            4 January 2013 19: 02
            clarification: beneficial to every SLAVIC citizen of Russia. The North Caucasians are already breeding, and there are too many problems with it!
        2. +12
          4 January 2013 11: 08
          Quote: SIBERIAN
          import Ukrainians, Belarusians to Siberia once the Great Russians can not cope ..


          Is that cattle? These are our fraternal peoples, please invite, but will they?
          1. +7
            4 January 2013 11: 20
            Quote: Vadivak
            Is that cattle?

            No, it's just a victim of the exam, writes and does not think that he writes. hi
        3. 0
          4 January 2013 14: 42
          How to import? Under automatic machines in heaters? Which Ukrainian or Belarusian voluntarily wants to go to Siberia when the Russians leave there?
          1. gladiatorakz
            +2
            4 January 2013 18: 59
            Quote: vladimir VR
            Which Ukrainian or Belarusian voluntarily wants to go to Siberia when the Russians leave there?

            And how did Stolypin solve the same issue? Indeed, most cities, entire industries, industries, etc. were laid under Stolypin and Stalin.
            Give a family 5-10 hectares of land. Remove taxes for 10-20 years. Assistance in moving and arranging. Not only Ukrainians will go, but also Russians.
            I would suggest Cossack settlements.
            Himself once considered Siberia for settlement.
            1. Твtvjag
              +2
              4 January 2013 21: 07
              Give a family 5-10 hectares of land.- and treat the earth with what? And who now wants to work hard on the ground.
              1. gladiatorakz
                +1
                4 January 2013 21: 44
                Quote: Ettwag
                And who now wants to work hard on the ground.

                Well, this is bad that many are accustomed to visiting paradise at someone else's expense. Everything was shifted to someone unknown. My health - "medicine is obliged to treat me", the safety of the Family - "Let the Ministry of Internal Affairs protect me", the enemy has come - "We have the sun for that," teaching children - "Let the school teach, and I'm tired of drinking beer"
                The complete degradation of Men and Warriors. Remember the fairy tale about how the warriors fought, torn from the ground - won! This is happening to us now. What should people protect? Concrete boxes? A poor idea of ​​the homeland is being formed.
      2. nic
        nic
        +10
        4 January 2013 10: 13
        Apparently it will happen. The decision was made, judging by Putin's speech in December: "Citizenship to citizens of the former USSR is automatic" (and everyone only heard about the "toughening" of the regime, after the issuance of Russian passports to all Gaster, it can be toughened until blue in the face).
        Millions of Asians, tons of heroin should solve the "problem" of the autochthonous population.
        On New Year's Eve, I went to Palace Square, in St. Petersburg, and was surprised that the rams were not being slaughtered, and in the future, probably, local for the place of rams, as it was in the 90s, in the homeland of "hardworking" emigrants.
        Luntik, in the last year of his presidency, also spoke in favor of multiculturalism, like: "we will not turn off the path." In response to the German statement about the collapse of multiculturalism in Europe.
        The profit rate obscures the eyes of our "captains of big business", but today they will take off an extra penny, and tomorrow someone will introduce Sharia norms in Russia, and there will be no hiding in Europe, there are also many citizens with an ancient peace-loving religion in their brains.
        1. +4
          4 January 2013 11: 38
          Emphasis should be placed on stimulating childbirth of the indigenous population.
          Well, at least on Red Square did not go. There is even more goodness !!!
      3. +8
        4 January 2013 11: 41
        Parasitic migration, i.e. there are traders from Baku and there are Gaster from Turkestan, that those that are not self-sufficient, one needs to clean the shit for the Russians, and the other needs to resell watermelons with the same Russian markup. Albanian migration is self-sufficient, they settled, multiplied and drove the Serbs out of all areas of activity, because The Balkans is an agricultural region. Russia is an industrial country and the main Russian population is skilled workers, whom neither illiterate Gaster, nor hucksters capable of working, can replace. And, if the Russian population decreases, then the number of necessary Gasters will decrease, and hucksters will not feed their broods. In the Stavropol Territory, there’s another situation, closer to Kosovo, when Caucasians drive the Russians out of agricultural lands, but Great Russia is behind the Stavropolites, and not a small, though brave Serbia, and the question is how many Russians will tolerate this and sweep away this difficult the occupation. Plus, the North Caucasus is a border region of past and future wars, and ethnic cleansing and deportations have been and will be there more than once, and the Russian army will not tolerate a population prone to tormentation in the rear.
        1. gladiatorakz
          +10
          4 January 2013 12: 22
          Quote: hrych
          Parasitic migration, i.e. there are traders from Baku and there are Gaster from Turkestan, that those that are not self-sufficient, one needs to clean the shit for the Russians, and the other needs to resell watermelons with the same Russian markup. Albanian migration is self-sufficient, they settled, multiplied and drove the Serbs out of all areas of activity, because The Balkans is an agricultural region. Russia is an industrial country and the main Russian population is skilled workers, whom neither illiterate Gaster, nor hucksters capable of working can replace. And, if the Russian population decreases, then the number of necessary Gasters will decrease, and hucksters will not feed their broods.

          A couple of years ago in St. Petersburg at the station cops - hachi !!! In broken Russian: Uh, friend, where are you going? Go to the carriage, say it from Samwell (I can be wrong with the name) they will give you a ticket.
          Is it crowding out Rus or not?
          In Moscow, my friends went to the store to buy presents and got to either Baku or Beijing. Teleported pancake. Came out - again Moscow. Slavs come across.
          1. +5
            4 January 2013 12: 42
            Even the cops are a service industry. We have the concept of a single-industry town, when there is one city-forming enterprise, if it works, then kindergartens, hairdressers also work, and there comes a huckster with watermelons and a swarthy janitor. When the plant got up, the huckster first disappears, then the janitor, and only then everything else. A dark-skinned cop is a general exception, although under Nurgaliyev it was encouraged and usually ended in the garbage zone.
    2. +4
      4 January 2013 11: 02
      Quote: SIBERIAN
      But they will have to come to terms with the fact that in Siberia there are almost no homos ... kov, mad vaginas, "swamp revolutionaries". how will they survive?

      By natural selection laughing
  4. +8
    4 January 2013 09: 59
    Unfortunately, this is a serious problem.
    On the one hand, it is disgusting, gentiles, 20 years ago pushing Russians in the back, shouting: "Get out to your stinking Russia!", Now arriving uncontrollably to us already. This is a time bomb.
    On the other hand, there is no one to work.
    Some of us will eat better than go for revenge.
    But, we are full of depressive regions, where the Russian population is forced to exist due to lack of work.
    Alas, the government is on the path of least resistance.
    1. +3
      4 January 2013 11: 13
      Quote: radio operator
      Alas, the government is on the path of least resistance.

      "RUSSIAN MARCH" IN KRASNODAR
      04 November 2012, 15: 46
      Under the slogans: "Kuban-Cossack land!", "Russia-Russian order!", "Russian means sober!" in the form of a procession and a rally in Krasnodar, the action "Russian March" was held.

      The authorities did not want to coordinate the holding of the event in other parts of the city, not so remote from the center, like Peromayskaya Grove, therefore, representatives of nationalist forces had to be content with a fleeting 15-minute march through the park zone.
      1. +4
        4 January 2013 11: 52
        "RUSSIAN MARCH" IN KRASNODAR! "(End of quote) This is probably not bad. It is best to arrange" marches "in maternity hospitals, right under their windows and on a straightforward matter! Then it will be a real Russian march. some black-haired and brown-eyed people wipe themselves through the windows of maternity hospitals - they arrange marches there. There is not enough Russian men there, somehow ... Every day I go to work and it hurts my eyes. And scratching tongues at rallies, but in the internet on forums is special no need for valor !!!
      2. gladiatorakz
        +6
        4 January 2013 11: 58
        Quote: Vadivak
        The authorities did not want to coordinate the event in other parts of the city, not so remote from the center as Peromayskaya Grove, so representatives of nationalist forces had to be content with a fleeting 15-minute walk through the park zone.

        What nonsense! People in their country, in their city are trying to draw attention to the problems of the Rus, to develop healthy lifestyles among young people. And the administration (theoretically these are the best people of the city population selected by the people themselves in their interests !!!) graciously allows them to walk for 15 minutes in the forest? It would be funny if it were not so bitter.
        And the fact that this is also on Cossack land is generally SHOCK for me! It is the Cossacks - the most combat-ready, dashing, daring, and the first defenders of the Russian Land!
        1. tungus-meteorit
          0
          5 January 2013 15: 23
          Well, actually read the history of the Kuban Kazakh army - it appeared a little more than 200 years ago, on the lands of Circassian Circassians, who at that time were vassals of Turkey. Kuban is a Circassian land. Also, the Stavropol Territory. But, the Russian people, of course, have the right to rally where and how they want, if there are no national and other insults.
          1. Denzel13
            +1
            5 January 2013 15: 32
            What does the history of the Kuban Cossack army have to do with it? Whose land was it before the Circassians and Circassians appeared here?
            1. tungus-meteorit
              0
              5 January 2013 17: 17
              They were. Learn the story. Meots, zikhs - these are all of them. And the Greeks also lived Alans. Then the Turks captured all and drove the local nationalities into the mountains ... Although I did not write about who, where and when he lived, but about everything to be in line with the law - without insulting other indigenous peoples of this land.
          2. gladiatorakz
            +1
            5 January 2013 19: 52
            Quote: tungus-meteorit

            Well, actually read the history of the Kuban Kazakh army - it appeared a little more than 200 years ago, on the lands of Circassian Circassians, who at that time were vassals of Turkey. Kuban is a Circassian land.

            Can we recall the Paleolithic? And about the second and then there is nothing to read the land of Russia!
            Under their name, the Kuban Cossacks appear in historical sources only before the end of the XVII century, but the Cossacks are known to have lived in the same places before. Our name is found in various styles carved on stones in the texts of Greek and Roman inscriptions of Meotida and Tanaida already in the ancient era of N. era. There. it was written as Kasakos, Gasakoe, Casagos (V.V. Latyshev, Vs. Miller Ossetian Language). Persian geography of the 1282th century (Goodood al-Alam) knew Kasak Land in the Sea of ​​Azov there. Russian chronicles call immigrants from this land Kozars, Black Klobuki and Cherkasy. In XNUMX, the Pyatigorsk Cherkasy, who founded the city of Cherkassy on the Dnieper, were evicted from there.
            1. tungus-meteorit
              0
              6 January 2013 13: 27
              All is correct. Bring just Ossetian (Alanian) published scientific sources. There is no contradiction to my words in them, but on the contrary, these works confirm that the Circassians always lived in the Kuban, Priazovye and Taman, together with the Alans. They founded Cherkasy too. Read Sholokhov's Quiet Don, there some old Don Cossacks still remembered that they came from the Circassians. This is where it is necessary to combine, not divide. In unity, our strength! The Caucasus and Russia are united and invincible!
  5. Kaa
    +9
    4 January 2013 10: 05
    If Russia wants to receive migrants, it does not have to be done at the expense of the "southern guest aria." It would be more logical to rely on other resources -
    "According to expert estimates, annually works abroad from 3 to 5 million citizens of Ukraine, the overwhelming majority of whom are employed in other states illegally. Among the countries to which the flows of labor migration from Ukraine are directed are Russia, Poland, Czech Republic, Italy, Greece, Cyprus, and more recently, Germany, Portugal, Spain and other developed countries of Western Europe. The flow of labor migration in this direction is primarily due to the proximity of borders and a certain loyalty of local laws for emigrant workers. The introduction of visa regimes in individual countries (in particular, Russia, the Czech Republic, etc.), where workers from Ukraine mainly worked, expanded the geography of labor migration. More and more Ukrainians are emigrating to work in the USA, Canada, the Middle East, etc. http://emigrant-ussr.ru/publ/1-1-0-110 According to the calculations of the public organization "Mutual Assistance", which helps Ukrainian migrants around the world, in Moscow and the Moscow Region alone, more than 2 million Ukrainians live and work, and about one million in Italy. According to these data, the Czech Republic received 400 thousand Ukrainians, Spain - about 200 thousand, and Portugal - up to 100 thousand. The head of "Mutual Aid" Alexander Shokalo claims that the total number of Ukrainian citizens working abroad is about 8 million people... The overwhelming majority of them are illegal immigrants who have crossed borders on tourist or student visas. "This number is most alarming, because in fact it is 25% of the Ukrainian productive society" http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/international/newsid_7645000/76450
    88.stm
    But again, if Russia needs it. In our Southeast, "wage labor" is not very popular, although the metallurgical labor market is declining ...
    1. Skavron
      +5
      4 January 2013 12: 23
      Kaa, plus.
      But I would like to note that ours do not create conditions, and the impression is that they are even better when the Ukrainian goes to work.
      1. Твtvjag
        +1
        4 January 2013 21: 13
        I support, I have been working in Russia for two years, I was sent to Poland (there, too, being strained with techies) I sent to ....., that's where Ukrainians are not considered people.
    2. DeerIvanovich
      +2
      5 January 2013 20: 28
      indeed, if labor is needed, the migration flow should come from countries with a similar culture, and this is oddly enough: Ukraine, Belarus, Armenia and Georgia.
      But the fact of the matter is that there is no shortage of labor.
      Firstly, the rural population of the Non-Chernozem Territory does not work at all - there is no permanent job, and therefore it survives and lives on the basis of shift work when it goes to the same Olympic construction sites, construction sites in St. Petersburg, Moscow.
      An idiotic decision to expand Moscow and the construction of production facilities, and this is why migrants are needed in the first place, and very cheap ones. It is difficult for our compatriots to get settled ... It is easier to get guest workers and exploit them as slaves.
      Instead of expanding Moscow, it was necessary to take a whole range of measures to stimulate the appearance of manufacturers in small cities of Russia and in the same Siberia and the Far East. And people are busy and there is no need to look for migrants abroad.
      The second message is that the current owners are very reluctant to re-equip enterprises, which in the end would also free up workers to solve problems such as the development of Siberia and the Far East.
      And in Moscow, to introduce such a tax policy in order to intensify the processes associated with deurbanization, because the territory is already under environmental stress.
  6. +3
    4 January 2013 10: 13
    I absolutely agree with this thesis -
    ".. Only a non-alternative course towards the Eurasian reintegration of the former republics of the USSR should cause a revision of the migration policy. In this case, Russia should give a chance to escape from the catastrophe towards which Central Asia is heading (" Afghanization "). But even in this case it is necessary not mass migration to Russia of representatives of Central Asian peoples, and the creation of conditions for a favorable life on their own, potentially quite prosperous land (according to the principle "where he was born, he was useful there.") It must be clearly remembered that we are not talking about wagging from side to side, but namely, a real reunion, where not only the market of goods, labor and capital will be common, but also a single currency, foreign and military policy, and sociocultural unity (based on Russian culture and language). If any state is not ready for this, it should remain outside this single space with all the ensuing consequences, including migration barriers ... "
    ..
    Only now .... will we wait.
    1. +5
      4 January 2013 10: 45
      I completely agree with Igor! We will not unite - they will crush us!
      1. +1
        4 January 2013 20: 48
        Quote: omsbon
        We will not unite - they will crush us!

        Before you unite, you need to see clearly! And then we walk like hedgehogs in the fog!
        Scandals in the Moscow Region, the situation with migrants, etc. Who still does not understand that our country is ruled by people who are guided only by their personal selfish interests, and not by love for the motherland, patriotism, etc. ??? request
        1. DeerIvanovich
          +1
          5 January 2013 20: 38
          The main problem is that the Asian region is chosen by transnational companies as the center of the formation of a world state.
          To do this, the destruction of other cultural centers is mainly necessary.
          And all the actions of our elite, to put it mildly, make me think that the way it is and our elite is already involved in this process ...
          This is the destruction of education, medicine, defense ...
          Take the same Ministry of Emergency Situations as they worked on the Moscow-St. Petersburg highway, put up one tent and everything is fine with them. :(
    2. +4
      4 January 2013 11: 11
      Quote: Igarr
      Only now .... will we wait.

      Nekrasov did not live

      He will endure everything - and he will pave a wide, clear Breast path for himself. It is a pity only - to live in this wonderful time. Oh no ........
    3. +2
      4 January 2013 20: 36
      Quote: Igarr
      Only now .... will we wait.

      And I think that the Slavs need to unite, i.e. Russia, Belarus and Ukraine!
  7. fenix57
    +3
    4 January 2013 10: 21
    Gadzhimet Safaraliev, Chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation for Nationalities or influence agent...
  8. Oidsoldier
    +8
    4 January 2013 10: 50
    Rome was strong and held the world in his hands, while all the problems of the empire were solved by the Romans themselves. When they spilled to the point that it was too lazy to sleep with their wives and the last children began to give birth from slaves - Rome fell. No mercenaries could contain the onslaught of the barbarians. Something similar is happening in Russia. No migrants will be as dear to Russia as the Russians themselves. And save it with the wrong hands will not work.
    There is a way out of any situation. Germany also lacked population before the war. There was a program according to which a healthy unmarried German woman could not refuse a soldier, and a born child was a child of the Fuhrer. The state took such children for its own maintenance. Millions were born under this program (like the movie "Ordinary Fascism" says about it). Zhirik proposed to introduce polygamy. The decision would be very timely. Plus to the maternity capital of the state. providing for children born to a second, third spouse ...
    A lot of blacks in the markets - BOYKOT them. Do not buy their goods, do not hire them, do not engage in them. They live at your expense. Show who is the boss in the house.
    1. +9
      4 January 2013 11: 29
      Quote: Oidsoldier
      There are a lot of blacks in the markets - Boycott them


      Airborne Day in the markets is generally a day of silence, maybe as an option?
      1. Skavron
        +11
        4 January 2013 12: 24
        World Airborne Forces Day ??? laughing
        Silence over the whole world)))))))
        1. Kaa
          +4
          4 January 2013 13: 29
          Quote: Skavron
          Silence over the whole world

          And fountains in every market .... and on the sides of the road ... and in height ... laughing
  9. zevs379
    +2
    4 January 2013 11: 00
    +++++++ If you talked at the very top, then it’s finally reached!
    1. +1
      4 January 2013 22: 59
      Yes, finally come round! It’s high time to clear the markets from Gaster and to send them back to their homeland. And then they already, in Russia, are completely insolent, they buy citizenship, apartments, houses, settle in villages and survive not only Russians, but also the local population of other nationalities.
  10. +3
    4 January 2013 11: 04
    The problem is serious and created by Russian officials and cops who will sell their mothers for grandmother (which is what they are doing). Go to the passport office in Russia and see how whole auls stand behind a residence permit. Strict control in this area by the state and society is needed, or there will be big problems. In the article, I was confused by the term "super ethnos" - this is somehow too much.
    1. +10
      4 January 2013 11: 46
      The arbitrariness of Russian officials and cops in this area is a consequence, not a cause. The reason is emancipation, feminism and the matriarchal society in which we began to live. The first thing that a woman does after obtaining rights is to stop giving birth to children in the quantity necessary for society. To realize her own rights, a woman is hindered by her own children. The fewer there are, the more opportunities for women to "self-actualize" in a modern way. Best of all, when there are no children at all !!! Behold at the root! As Kozma Prutkov used to say.
      1. +7
        4 January 2013 12: 28
        And I believe that the right to choose a woman in the 21st century cannot be taken away and an example of the Islamic world where a woman is not a man and a machine for the birth of imbitsilov is not suitable for us. Children should be born consciously, healthy and wealthy, and not by illiteracy. Like everything else, neither tolerance of the West, nor the kalym law of the East suits us. We have more than 110 million Russians in Russia only in Russia, and right now the birth rate is not bad and mortality must be reduced.
      2. +2
        4 January 2013 18: 20
        romanru4,
        The first thing that a woman does after getting the right is to stop giving birth to children in the quantity necessary for society. To realize her own rights, a woman is hindered by her own children. The fewer there are, the more opportunities for women to "self-actualize" in a modern way. Best of all, when there are no children at all !!! Behold at the root! As Kozma Prutkov used to say.

        In pre-revolutionary Russia, women were not without rights. They received an education on an equal basis with a man, owned real estate and enterprises, made deals, inherited, gave gifts, and at the same time gave birth to children from a peasant woman to a queen. But you men are tired of supporting your children with their mothers, you drove your daughters and wives to work. work, work with the requirements of "self-realization". To please you - you cannot bear children! Look at the root! You guys are guilty! The man is primary, the woman is secondary (Veda). You have ceased to respect a woman’s mother. You have ceased to be breadwinners! You are irresponsible. You need affordable heifers on the side without obligations. The reason for emancipation is in you.
        1. gladiatorakz
          +4
          4 January 2013 19: 11
          Quote: A. Yaga
          You guys are guilty!

          In many ways, right! But three generations of this country were brought up by women. Starting from the 1st World War, the Revolution, the Civil War, and 2 MV, many Warriors died. Therefore, at least 50% were raised without a father. And only Father can bring up, Father! Parenting - By the Leading Paternal Word The role of Mother is very important, but she cannot educate. And when the number of men raised by women became critical, the development vector of the people changed. The whole picture of life. So it is necessary to correct the situation. Grow a new generation. The old way!!!
        2. +3
          5 January 2013 12: 44
          In tsarist Russia, talking about women's rights was not accepted. This is a separate and interesting topic, but very extensive. There is little space for such research. It was about realizable rights. ". In 1906, on the territory of the then
          to the empire of the Grand Duchy of Finland
          Chins gained suffrage. And in the spring of 1917
          years of feminists so crushed Temporary right-
          telstvo that it gave such an opportunity throughout
          territory of the country. After the October revolution
          the Bolsheviks confirmed this right, which led to
          changes in the mass outlook of women, growth
          self-esteem, independence, desire to draw up
          men compete in all walks of life. This
          the first Soviet musicians clearly reflected the trend
          nye, and non-musical films of the 30s.
          The result is logical: if at the beginning of the XX century the average
          the number of children born to one woman, the composition
          7,5, then already in the 30s a woman in Russia had
          an average of only two children. That is, the total
          in just 30 years, the birth rate decreased
          3,5 times.
          If you move away from general phrases closer to the specifics, it is best to have your own examples before your eyes. My great-grandmother (born in 1887) had nine children, my grandmother (born in 1913) had four children, my mother (born in 1940) had two children, my sister (born in 1965) .) there are no children at all - she was self-realized throughout her life and always believed that no one could live her right. She sincerely believes that all women should live like that. Class !!! Arrived!
          1. 0
            5 January 2013 15: 28
            She sincerely believes that all women should live like that.

            She sincerely wants to like you! She is the very affordable chick without the obligations that you value! Oh, men, men.
            The man is primary, the woman is secondary (Veda). You have ceased to respect a woman’s mother. You have ceased to be breadwinners! You are irresponsible. You need affordable heifers on the side without obligations. The reason for emancipation is in you.
          2. DeerIvanovich
            +1
            5 January 2013 20: 44
            I agree with your assessment of the birth rate in your example, but this applies mainly to citizens, the rural population was delayed by such statistics by 50 years, but reached the 90s. well, at least they began to stimulate the birth rate.
  11. iulai
    +3
    4 January 2013 11: 24
    Do you know that for the domestic market of Belarus, Putin signed a gas price at the gas level for the Yamalo-Nenets okrug? almost free! he sneezed on Russians and on other peoples of Russia! the Caucasus does not pay for gas, now Belarus takes gas almost for free! and this year we will be raised gas prices two more times! and no one will solve the migration problem! it is profitable for the mafia, and also K, Marx said: for 100% profit, the capitalist will sell his mother too !!!!!!
    1. +8
      4 January 2013 11: 34
      Quote: iulai
      and K, Marx said: for 100% profit, the capitalist will sell his mother


      Where is it that we have 100% profit, we have all 400%, buying in tons and then selling at retail is the order of things, and which gasoline in the USSR was cheaper than soda?
      1. +1
        4 January 2013 20: 55
        Quote: Vadivak
        Where is it that we have 100% profit, we have all 400%, buying in tons and then selling at retail is the order of things, and which gasoline in the USSR was cheaper than soda?

        In Saudi Arabia, it is now cheaper than soda! I am constantly interested in people: please explain to me the pricing for fuel and lubricants in our country, maybe I don’t understand something! So far, no one has explained this to me ...... wassat
        But if you honestly sell gasoline and salary, it would be the locomotive of our economy! And also electric power! am
        1. DeerIvanovich
          +1
          5 January 2013 20: 47
          pricing is in accordance with Russia's accession to the WTO: that is, our country must bring all domestic prices to global prices.
          Anyway what they wanted, they asked for it. Although I wrote in other forums the absurdity for Russia joining the WTO. This is necessary for multinational companies to control the huge market of Russia.
          But even worse is that our oil freaks do not follow market conditions, but only increase and increase energy prices.
    2. djon3volta
      +2
      4 January 2013 12: 31
      I pay 98 rubles a month for gas, so Putin suits me, and for many other reasons suits me (not for all of course). Many live in cottages, yes they pay a lot, but sorry they found millions to build cates, but to pay there is no gas money ??? the same thing and I’ll say about gasoline, there are 400-700 thousand for a wheelbarrow, but there is no 30 rubles for gasoline ???
      1. gribnik777
        0
        4 January 2013 15: 01
        Quote: djon3volta
        There are 400-700 thousand for a wheelbarrow, but there is no 30 rubles for gas ???


        The price of energy, the price of its transportation, and ultimately the price in the store, depend on the price of energy resources.
        And the second - the size of inflation depends on it.
        Both of these values ​​are interdependent. Change one - entails a change in the other. This process is not unlimited. Someday it will lead to collapse.
      2. +1
        4 January 2013 21: 34
        Quote: djon3volta
        There are 400-700 thousand for a wheelbarrow, but there is no 30 rubles for gas ???

        I don’t have and never will have money for such a car! Who has it, he supports it, it remains only to figure out where the money is from?
      3. Natasha
        0
        6 January 2013 03: 39
        Nationalism is direct in relation to the Russian people, that means an American, a Jew in Israel can drive a car and more expensive than the amount you specify and pay for gas almost 8-10 times less than a Russian. It’s just some kind of genocide ... And what people have in mostly cars of 30 thousand each are the same nonsense as about the average salary in Russia of 24000. I live in St. Petersburg and haven’t noticed this trend in cars, one has 3 million cars, while others (more than about 100 - 200 thousand price) There are also many Russian Lada cars of various models from 50 to 150 thousand average price. There are a lot of other costs for a car, in the end we buy cars 3-5 times more expensive than Americans, Japanese can do this such a fault-bought a car pay dearly for everything since you are in Russia.
    3. +3
      4 January 2013 18: 00
      No need to put on a par with the brothers-Belarusians and enemies of the Caucasians.
  12. DERWISH
    +3
    4 January 2013 11: 50
    it is necessary to create a strict legislative framework with priority on the indigenous population of RUSSIA even if it is not Slavs and unquestioning and quick application of these laws, excluding corrupt Selling cops and judges, plus the effect of these laws, regardless of whether you are a peasant or president! for corruption SHOOT! for the theft, especially as in the case of Serdyukov SHOOT! for looking at your survival and return to the state and seeing that it is being eaten by such freaks and there is disrespect and contempt of the state for its people !!! then the issue of migration and not only will be resolved on their own because problems with the right approach of the government to the laws exclude rash and premature problems
  13. Sleptsoff
    +7
    4 January 2013 11: 51
    First, in his message, the president talks about toughening measures regarding labor migration, but almost a week later I hear on the radio about an initiative that simplifies the process of resettlement of all former Russians living abroad and who want to return to Russia (well, that's still normal) and citizens of the countries entering to the former USSR (!), that is, Tajiks, Uzbeks and other Aryans will reach us again, only now it will be even easier for them to obtain Russian citizenship. I don’t understand what the logic is or Putin is holding us mind ... who keeps us?
    1. +9
      4 January 2013 18: 09
      Putin is a frostbitten cosmopolitan. He is the word "Russian" and cannot pronounce it. Russians for him - morons and provocateurs (WITH). He sent his children to the west, and he and we do not care about our children.
      1. +3
        4 January 2013 20: 33
        Quote: virm
        Putin is a frostbitten cosmopolitan. He is the word "Russian" and cannot pronounce it. Russians for him are idiots and provocateurs (C). He sent his children to the west, and he does not care about us and our children.

        And our authorities have children for a long time live over the hill! Even Zyuganov’s daughter in the USA! wassat Since they do not connect their fate with our country!
        Russians are beginning to see clearly, and Caucasians and Central Asians are a good counterweight! I recently learned that in Moscow there are more visitors than Russians, I don’t know how true this is! Hair stand on end, from what awaits us!
        1. DeerIvanovich
          +2
          5 January 2013 20: 50
          not yet, but a lot ...
  14. djon3volta
    +5
    4 January 2013 11: 55
    in the 90s, Russian groups of all sorts of Solntsevo, Tambov and others constantly fought with the Caucasian clans on the territory of Moscow, the police knew this and therefore secretly flowed the Russian mafia, as if holding it, did not touch ours in some cases .. wassat
    By the way, I already said in another news yesterday that migrants are personally my competitors at work, so I’m automatically against them!
    1. +2
      4 January 2013 19: 09
      Quote: djon3volta
      the militia knew this and therefore secretly flowed the Russian mafia, as if holding it, did not touch ours in some cases.

      Sorry. but this is not true. The police leadership has always been corrupt (although not all) and ethnic organized crime groups have always used this. The Slavic organized crime groups believed that the cops were to be paid zapadlo, and therefore, the riot police often came to the shooters instead of the Chechens and knitted the "Slavs". While the Slavic organized crime groups were procuring the chip, it was too late; ethnic organized crime groups have become entrenched and overgrown with connections in power.
    2. DeerIvanovich
      +2
      5 January 2013 20: 51
      the funny thing is that having settled in one place for work, migrants are pulling their own there too, this is clearly visible in Moscow
  15. Etna
    +16
    4 January 2013 12: 08
    To urgently close the borders and evict everyone who had the audacity to settle here! The point is not that we, Russians, are "afraid of non-Russians" and "we didn’t have enough space on the market," but that we want to live peacefully on our land. For example, it is extremely unpleasant for me to hear a foreign speech all around and see groups (one at a time for some reason) of cheerfully-minded, far from intelligent-looking, untidy men. A hounded-looking woman in five dressing gowns and trousers and dirty, impudent children also do not evoke positive emotions. To hell with European tolerance is a dead end road. And no half-measures - just harsh expulsion from the country. We can handle it ourselves. And we will build, and we will sweep the streets, and even sweep with trade in the market.
    1. Natasha
      +1
      6 January 2013 03: 49
      Every day in St. Petersburg I see the same kind of exoticism, Packs go around, behave impudently, look at Russians with hatred, and their women, like crazy for 3-4-5 children, give birth, everyone is not dressed, not full, no more housing normal, upbringing is absent, since children already go in packs.
  16. +2
    4 January 2013 12: 20
    Quote from Sleptsoff
    I don’t understand what the logic is or Putin is holding us mind ... who keeps us?

    He doesn’t hold you for anyone. If you look closely, the general concept, to help by birth, has changed dramatically - now it has actually been canceled in regions with traditionally high birth rates (?). What are these regions, I think there is no need to prompt.
    1. DeerIvanovich
      +2
      5 January 2013 20: 55
      if you can link to an official source.
      It's time to stop stimulating fertility in regions with high birth rates. but the Chukchi, Mari, Evenkis and other younger brothers need to be helped and help much more than right now. From alcoholism, their numbers have declined sharply over the past 20 years.
  17. Skavron
    +2
    4 January 2013 12: 26
    And I have a question ...
    What native Muscovite wants to work as a janitor, laborer, plumber ..?
    1. Kaa
      +1
      4 January 2013 13: 32
      Quote: Skavron
      What native Muscovite wants to work as a janitor

      In imperial Moscow, the position of a janitor was readily occupied by the Tatars, it was very profitable and respected, so the problem "came in large numbers" even before 1917 ... lol
      1. Skavron
        +3
        4 January 2013 13: 54
        Well ... the mentality has changed all the same ...
        Already prestige is not the same, and in the USSR it was customary to be proud of any work.
        1. DeerIvanovich
          +1
          5 January 2013 21: 03
          the prestige is not the same only with the capital's middle class and the so-called "elite". Here they are not really living in Moscow already, everyone has already moved in the Moscow region, and apartments are rented out and there are many of ours from the provinces, not only migrants and they are ready for any work.
          Yes, and many Asians of the older generation normally get along and get along with Russians, my neighbors, for example Tajiks, are normal people.
          Among Muscovites there are even more moral freaks :(
          Just recently he was walking, a Tajik guy, all frightened, was cleaning up the territory, what a fool the Moscow representative woman at the age of 50 took and pinned to him just like that and started to groan as if without getting into anything. that one stands and that cannot say a word.
          But Caucasian freaks agree for the most part among Tajiks and Kyrgyz so far few. but Caucasians almost 80% of young people are moral ashamed of such
          1. Natasha
            0
            6 January 2013 03: 59
            I agree that it’s immoral that they behave in Caucasians. And one of my neighbors on the porch tried to get a janitor, she said that she also tried to get a friend, they immediately said that they only take guest workers with what they have to do with their guest workers channels, that is, suppliers of slaves, as I understand it lol ,
      2. gribnik777
        +1
        4 January 2013 15: 23
        Quote: Kaa
        so the problem "came in large numbers"


        Muscovites are still spitefully remembered this very "come in large numbers". And then there was the "limit". So Muscovites (aged) are familiar with this problem from the diaper. And with the Tatars they lived nearby and there were never any problems. Sometimes they were no longer distinguished from the Russians.
        Now we have traveled to all of Russia, now this is the problem of the whole country.
    2. +5
      4 January 2013 14: 19
      Quote: Skavron
      And I have a question ...
      What native Muscovite wants to work as a janitor, laborer, plumber ..?

      There was a story on TV: a Moscow student tried to get a job as a janitor. Did not work out. It turned out that Tajik janitors receive "on-hand" half as much as they should officially receive. The difference is pocketed by the management of DEZ.
      So not everything is so simple.
      1. DeerIvanovich
        +1
        5 January 2013 21: 06
        kickbacks are not only in the public sector, you correctly noticed that, even in the private sector and in Moscow, kickbacks are off the charts.
        Until the Ministry of Internal Affairs takes decisive measures ... everything is useless. In the regions, even though they steal, it’s not so brazen and not on such a scale.
    3. gribnik777
      +4
      4 January 2013 15: 06
      Quote: Skavron
      What native Muscovite wants to work as a janitor, laborer, plumber ..?


      Pay normally, and any person will work as a janitor, a plumber, a laborer, a turner, and a baker. And they worked once. And the salary for plumbers and janitors, at least in Moscow, is the topic of a separate blog. What is going on there - Mama Do not Cry ...
      1. DeerIvanovich
        +1
        5 January 2013 21: 09
        in the outback of 8 thousand is wealth, at least in the Non-Black Earth Region. on average, they receive from 2 to 5 thousand in rural areas, most often they don’t, and villages die out at a catastrophic pace.
        and Muscovites at 15 then don’t know how to live ... how much they cried on this topic in blogs ...
        and I personally checked for 4-5 thousand in Moscow myself, you can live apart from the cost of housing.
    4. DeerIvanovich
      0
      5 January 2013 20: 56
      even as he wants, if the government devotes all its efforts to recycling migration, production and, most importantly, financial flows from the capital to the regions
  18. Starksa
    +2
    4 January 2013 12: 31
    A visa regime is needed, so at least it will be easier to control them, how many have arrived, how many have left and there will be no problems
    1. +1
      4 January 2013 15: 31
      Reduce the number of guest workers slowly. After all, the janitor is now wielding more than one broom. There are mini tractors, special tools and combines for harvesting. Perhaps robots will appear ... After all, the 21 century ... Slowly cut back on travelers, forced to introduce modern cleaning equipment. And so in all matters, not only in housing and communal services.
      1. DeerIvanovich
        +1
        5 January 2013 21: 11
        in my yard I can say one thing in Moscow in the state as a janitor too much, they have more rest than work.
  19. Skinny
    +4
    4 January 2013 12: 36
    Islam doesn’t give a damn how many people will come from other countries, everything will undergo assimilation, Islam poses a threat to culture and the soil for separatism, only it impedes assimilation and unites half of 130 different nations.
  20. +3
    4 January 2013 12: 39
    And I have the answer ....
    In the same way, a Tajik with an Uzbek, after working for six months as a janitor, runs away to another job, and a new one takes his place. And why can’t you do it, came to work as a janitor, work, and left, it means get out of the country. And it’s best not to take Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, and take Chinese, North Koreans because they certainly will not go from the south. There are so many Chinese in the USA There are many scientists.
    1. DeerIvanovich
      0
      5 January 2013 21: 12
      if you don’t have anywhere to work for yours, go to small towns, to a village far from the capital, try to work Nati, and then declare
  21. Skinny
    +6
    4 January 2013 13: 05
    I see a threat to RUSSIA only in the increase in the number of Muslims.
    T.K. the Chinese and others let them profess what they want, but after 40 years they will not ask us to unite with Iran, universal Sharia and the destruction of Israel. And also the abolition of crosses on the coat of arms.
    In no case can migrants be allowed into regions where less than 80% of Russians are assimilated, assimilation will be slow. Only Russians must live at the borders of at least 90%. The best choice for us is the Chinese, any peasants, in short, anyone just not Muslims (no offense to them).
    Just when their 7% is all normal, a bunch of cultures, when their 20% is dangerous for our culture and the unity of the country.
  22. Raven
    +3
    4 January 2013 13: 27
    there is a solution to this problem. You need to multiply more :), quickly multiply like the Chinese :)
    1. Ingvald_Bueny
      +2
      4 January 2013 14: 57
      Quote: Raiven
      there is a solution to this problem. You need to multiply more :), quickly multiply like the Chinese :)

      We must correctly borrow the experience of the world's advanced economy. Moreover, in terms of population in the distant 50s of the XNUMXth century, we were in third place after the PRC and India.
  23. patriot2
    +3
    4 January 2013 13: 37
    With regard to tolerance, I would suggest that those officials or deputies who advocate for migrants live for a year in the same Tajikistan on business trips at 1 minimum wage, which they recently "increased". Maybe then tolerance will evaporate without a trace, because in fact they want to make Russia Tajikistan, so let them live there - will they like it?
    But seriously, only enter Russia on a visa. And most importantly, through sanitary zones (behind the barbed wire) to identify dangerous criminals, infectious patients and those who don’t know the Russian language - 1 month is enough + a fee of 30000-50000 rubles in a personal bank account (to ensure living in a sanitary facility or expulsion from Russia). I assure you that in a year all the trash will wither back. In general, this issue needs to be seriously addressed, and not just before the elections in order to raise a fading rating or increase its popularity. Another 10-15 years, and we, the Russian people, will be like Serbs in Kosovo, if someone still does not understand this.
  24. Skinny
    +2
    4 January 2013 13: 49
    People! I read "Russia national question" and somehow Putin was asked "Why can't you replace borders with Central Asia and other undesirable CIS?", He replied, "Then we will finally lose them .." Putin seems to really want to make the USSR 2. I feel we'll get With Vladimir EU 2 Where 1 the economy drags all the poor relatives. And these poor relatives, unlike the EU, will still tell us that we are devouring them!
  25. +3
    4 January 2013 13: 53
    My friends left for Canada, they won the Green Card. Actually, he already went to a specific job, and she is like a wife, although she is a high-class programmer. So here. So that she could officially work there, they found a job for her, but for several hours, and at the same time she had to work 6 months for UNRELIABLE work. And she worked as a cashier in a store, and for free (not prestigious) and for a few hours at the company.
    Why not apply such a scheme in the Russian Federation?
    1. Employers wishing to hire migrants are required to submit their advertisements and register with government agencies. If during the check they have migrants, but there is no such registration, close his company.
    2. Those who just want to come to earn money are allowed into the country only for a couple of years, with mandatory knowledge of Russian.
    3. Those who want to move to the Russian Federation for permanent residence must, in addition to their main job, work for free a certain number of hours at the same "non-prestigious" job
    1. +4
      4 January 2013 14: 37
      Quote: Egoza
      2. Those who just want to come to earn money are allowed into the country only for a couple of years, with mandatory knowledge of Russian.

      And most importantly - an extra month (without a visa) was delayed in Russia - one year of working (for food) on the construction of roads (for example).
      Such a measure, I think, will forever discourage the desire to work without a work visa.
      1. djon3volta
        +6
        4 January 2013 16: 04
        in Japan, for example, this is how it works, I give a rude example, but because of the law, there are huge fines because of violation. For example, the salary for a visitor is 5000 thousand, for a local 3000 thousand, who is more profitable to hire? Of course, it’s not local a lot of money comes at a loss to himself, the company, the enterprise, so they hire local ones in the first place.
    2. 0
      4 January 2013 23: 11
      Employers who work illegally for Gaster, plant, for tax evasion and generally cut off the border and let Central Asian Gaster work at home, and only accept Slavic emigrants who are closer to us by ethnicity and eventually give them Russian citizenship, them and Russian no need to learn a language.
  26. +10
    4 January 2013 14: 41
    Babai can be greyed out only by the fact that the hands of the corrupt power tied to the Russian people. Violence against the Russian people cannot last forever. Harness for a long time.
    1. +3
      4 January 2013 14: 51
      I fully support
    2. +4
      4 January 2013 18: 13
      It’s time to drive already. Tired of these eastern faces.
      1. Твtvjag
        +1
        4 January 2013 21: 30
        If necessary, we’ll come and help.
    3. +2
      4 January 2013 21: 30
      Quote: Humpty
      Harness for a long time.

      A very long time! It’s time to understand who is who! Good luck to all of you in upcoming events!
  27. "Delete"
    0
    4 January 2013 14: 42
    But it is perfectly visible as the guarantor of whom and what the Sun is

    Putin has changed laws regarding guest workers: now they can work without permission


    Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a number of federal laws that change the order of stay in the country and regulate the conditions of work of labor migrants.

    In particular, one of the documents allows employers to submit documents to the Federal Migration Service to attract foreign workers in electronic form.

    In addition, employers will be able to freely, without obtaining appropriate permission, engage foreigners temporarily living in Russia and not having a work permit, from the text of the law published on the Kremlin’s website.

    In addition, Putin signed a law that provides migrants with social security guarantees and establishes administrative responsibility for failure to take measures for their material, medical and housing support.

    The President also signed amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation aimed at strengthening criminal liability for organizing illegal migration. This type of crime includes illegal entry, stay or transit through the Russian Federation of foreign citizens and stateless persons.

    The amendments introduced in Article 3221 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation provide for the classification of this act as moderate crimes, and if there are qualifying signs, for serious crimes, and accordingly, an increase in the size and terms of sentences.

    In particular, the amendments to the law on the procedure for leaving and entering the Russian Federation signed by Putin provide for the introduction of a three-year ban on entry into the country for foreigners who previously violated the order of stay in Russia.

    Now they are also prescribed guarantees! By the way, those who are not in the subject, do you know what the red square looked like before the New Year?
  28. -2
    4 January 2013 14: 48
    The problem is not in migration itself, but in the level of education and culture of migrants ... We need schools "for retraining the rural poor", that is, migrants. It is necessary to raise their educational and cultural level, for example, in evening boarding schools.
    1. +1
      4 January 2013 14: 54
      Our country does not need visitors, our country needs visiting professionals from European countries, such as Finland, Norway, Denmark. They are Catholics - this time, the second level of their education is many times higher than these herds of natives and so on points!
    2. "Delete"
      +6
      4 January 2013 14: 56
      No, the problem is just that. in migration! I’m physically disgusted to see all these black, alien faces to me. I will never sit next to them, never, I don’t buy anything from them and in my life I will not hire them for any work! they are NOT NEEDED here and they are NOT happy here! The only one who is happy with them is the Botox god who plans to create an obedient electorate out of them!
      1. +2
        4 January 2013 18: 14
        That's right, brother. To a single word.
      2. +1
        4 January 2013 21: 28
        Quote: Sil
        No, the problem is just that. in migration! I’m physically disgusted to see all these black, alien faces to me. I will never sit next to them, never, I don’t buy anything from them and in my life I will not hire them for any work! they are NOT NEEDED here and they are NOT happy here! The only one who is happy with them is the Botox god who plans to create an obedient electorate out of them!

        Nice to see another adequate person on this site! Write everything correctly!
    3. gribnik777
      +1
      4 January 2013 15: 52
      Quote: Tektor
      The problem is not in migration itself, but in the level of education and culture of migrants ...


      One man was killed and two wounded in a drunken brawl between migrant workers on New Year's Eve in Odintsovo near Moscow.

      As MK was informed in law enforcement agencies, at 20.50 in an abandoned house, a 49-year-old Uzbek wounded two compatriots, 72 and 38 years old, in a quarrel after drinking. After that, the youngest of the wounded killed the enemy with a knife. The injured were hospitalized.


      http://www.mk.ru/incident/news/2013/01/01/794370-v-podmoskovnom-odintsovo-v-drak
      e-gastarbayterov-odin-ubit-dvoe-ranenyi.html
      1. 0
        4 January 2013 23: 48
        Maybe you misunderstood? Learning is control. This time. You can prescribe a medical examination, vaccinations ... If, according to the results of training, the migrant has not "passed" the standards for language proficiency, then this is the official reason for his department and restrictions on entry. And the norms can be difficult ...
  29. "Delete"
    +6
    4 January 2013 14: 53
    But it is perfectly visible as the guarantor of whom and what the Sun is

    Putin has changed laws regarding guest workers: now they can work without permission


    Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a number of federal laws that change the order of stay in the country and regulate the conditions of work of labor migrants.

    In particular, one of the documents allows employers to submit documents to the Federal Migration Service to attract foreign workers in electronic form.

    In addition, employers will be able to freely, without obtaining appropriate permission, engage foreigners temporarily living in Russia and not having a work permit, from the text of the law published on the Kremlin’s website.

    In addition, Putin signed a law that provides migrants with social security guarantees and establishes administrative responsibility for failure to take measures for their material, medical and housing support.

    The President also signed amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation aimed at strengthening criminal liability for organizing illegal migration. This type of crime includes illegal entry, stay or transit through the Russian Federation of foreign citizens and stateless persons.

    The amendments introduced in Article 3221 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation provide for the classification of this act as moderate crimes, and if there are qualifying signs, for serious crimes, and accordingly, an increase in the size and terms of sentences.

    In particular, the amendments to the law on the procedure for leaving and entering the Russian Federation signed by Putin provide for the introduction of a three-year ban on entry into the country for foreigners who previously violated the order of stay in Russia.

    Now they are also prescribed guarantees! By the way, those who are not in the subject, do you know what the red square looked like before the New Year?

    1. +2
      4 January 2013 19: 50
      Quote: Sil
      Now they are also prescribed guarantees! By the way, those who are not in the subject, do you know what the red square looked like before the New Year?

      Totally agree with you! The situation in our country with migrants is simply critical! Try to kick them out now, but it's just not real! am
    2. MG42
      +3
      5 January 2013 02: 18
      Well, the video belay === Tatar-Mongol invasion on Red Square! This is uhosh! am
  30. Ingvald_Bueny
    +4
    4 January 2013 14: 54
    Dear: Help each other in difficult situations, do not pass by someone else’s misfortune, protect each other’s interests (in the ways provided for by federal legislation), and then no illegal or legal immigration will be scary for you.
    As Gascon Dartanyan and his musketeers said: “One for all, and all for one.” For migrants, this principle is valid for the Russians for some reason.
  31. USA95
    +5
    4 January 2013 15: 09
    The ban on the adoption of Russian citizenship by Muslims and EVERYTHING. The problem is resolved.
    1. Ingvald_Bueny
      +2
      4 January 2013 15: 21
      Discrimination is obtained on the basis of religion and violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. In the Russian Federation there are citizens professing Islam, and how then can they understand this absurd solution to the problem? So this is not a solution to the problem, it is an even bigger problem.
  32. Твtvjag
    +3
    4 January 2013 15: 22
    Seven and a half million Ukrainians from the western regions! Nonsense of a madman and only, you can’t get so much from all over Ukraine, drunkenness, drug addiction, mental and physical degradation are problems not only in Russia but also in Ukraine, whole settlements are dying out in our country, in the literal sense of the word.
    1. Skavron
      +2
      4 January 2013 17: 06
      Quote: Ettwag
      whole settlements, in the literal sense of the word, are dying out too.

      that's for sure...
      from what I saw: Miner, Ukrainsk, Belozerskoe, Zhdanovka ... this is only in the Donbass. For the villages that are on the map, but which are not available, I will not say anything ...
      1. Твtvjag
        +1
        4 January 2013 21: 23
        I live in the west of Ukraine, therefore I had in mind this region, although we are right, all of Ukraine is dying, the worst thing is to pass through villages that flourished under the USSR, and now pensioners themselves, in our neighboring village before the New Year, there was a case, a man was buried, so there was no one to carry the coffin, only women 50-60 years old came. That's how we live ....
  33. nic
    nic
    +2
    4 January 2013 15: 28
    Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a series of federal laws that change the order of stay in Russia and regulate the conditions of work of migrant workers ... to hire foreigners temporarily living in Russia and not authorized to worka. / well, that’s the confirmation, Putin signed the law, the Gaster in fact can by any means enter our country, while ours, getting a job, to the employers, the last in the chain of criminal business, nothing will happen. I think 30 years for Russians to become a minority - this is very optimistic.
    1. "Delete"
      +8
      4 January 2013 15: 32
      Because the Russians began to wake up and ask too many questions of power, and some even became dissatisfied with it. And then a stupid, black herd that will work for food and vote for the god who gave them so many privileges .. Tale. This power has finally degenerated into an anti-people, dictatorial structure, the purpose of which was not to serve the country, but to maintain the power and luxury that surrounds them. Elementary. That’s how all the banana churkestan governments live, of which black biomass rushing about, and the Russians, again, became too restless and often began to poke their nose into the dark affairs of Putin’s slime dishes. Pay attention - get growing. ethnic Russian citizenship is months of troubles and upholstery of office thresholds, and Depardieu received citizenship with a simple stroke of a sun pen! The question is, what also hinders giving citizenship to those Russian families who want to move to Russia ?! Complete hypocrisy and cynicism
      1. +4
        4 January 2013 21: 26
        Quote: Sil
        Because the Russians began to wake up and ask too many questions of power, and some even became dissatisfied with it. And then a stupid, black herd that will work for food and vote for the god who gave them so many privileges .. Tale.

        You can’t but agree! This is a counterweight to the Russians! am
  34. USA95
    +8
    4 January 2013 15: 39
    Australia issued a decree on September 20, which states that Muslims who wish to live in Australia under Sharia law will have to leave this country because the government is threatened by this category of citizens, reports Uainfo.

    This decree is addressed, as noted in the press, to Arab-Muslim immigrants.

    The day after "a group of moderate Muslims", at a special meeting with Australian Prime Minister John Howard, took the oath of allegiance to Australia and the Queen, Howard and his ministers made an unequivocal statement that the full weight of the law would fall on those who were so impressed. " extremists. " Treasury Secretary Peter Costello, believed to be Howard's successor as prime minister, hinted that some sheikhs may be asked to leave the country if they don’t come to terms with the fact that "Australia is a secular state in which laws are passed by parliament."

    "If these values ​​are not yours, if you want to live in a country ruled by Sharia law, or in a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," Costello said on state television. "I would tell the clerics who teach that there are two systems of law in Australia - Australian and Islamic, that this is a lie. If you cannot agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy and prefer Sharia law and can leave for another country - probably , this is the best option, "he said unequivocally. Costello said that holders of dual citizenship may be asked to leave for the country of their second citizenship.

    In turn, Defense Secretary Brendan Nelson told reporters that Muslims who do not want to accept local values ​​should "get out." “Basically, people who don't want to be Australians and who don't want to live up to Australian values ​​and understand them, well, they can get out,” he said.

    "Immigrants, not Australians, have to adapt. Take it or get out. I'm tired of our country having to constantly worry about whether we offend some people or their culture," Brendan Nelson said. “We speak mostly English, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian or any other language. So if you want to become a part of our society, learn our language!”.

    "Most Australians believe in God. This is not some kind of Christian, right-wing, political doctrine, but a fact, because Christian men and women created this country on Christian principles, and this is clearly recorded in the documents. Of course, it is appropriate to put it on our walls. schools. If God offends you, then I suggest that you consider the possibility of moving to another part of the world, because God is part of our culture, "he stressed.

    THIS IS NECESSARY!
    1. +4
      4 January 2013 18: 19
      Try to say this in the Russian Federation - the local Semites will accuse you of fascism, lohokost and all mortal sins.
      1. +2
        4 January 2013 22: 27
        Quote: virm
        Try to say this in the Russian Federation - the local Semites will accuse you of fascism, lohokost and all mortal sins.

        Yes, not only local, the entire world community!
    2. +1
      4 January 2013 23: 42
      Here you can recall the old punitive psychiatry: if you are Muslim, you need to check, at least on a polygraph, which branch of Islam it belongs to. If to "fanatics", then - to treat ...
  35. sergskak
    +7
    4 January 2013 16: 06
    There are all sorts of people. There are saleswomen who, instead of immediately rushing around and serving, bazaar by mobile in their relatives or changing loaders in the supermarket, who imposingly, slowly walk in front of your cart in flip flops and towels around their necks. There are scientists, of course (a rarity But the Caucasians have gone farther. I remember the phrase from the TV series "Gangster Petersburg": "- They moved from donkeys to the merens, the speed carriers." not today tomorrow again ruins! Patience is not unlimited.
    1. USA95
      +4
      4 January 2013 16: 13
      Why ruins, there is a chemical. weapons. And then the RUSSIAN infrastructure will come in handy. Colonists in the sense.
      1. sergskak
        +1
        4 January 2013 16: 25
        To the colonists? I’ve run over? Why chemical weapons, can you really turn everything into ruins there. I don’t need the infrastructure there. We’ll save it for you.
        1. USA95
          +2
          4 January 2013 16: 37
          I didn’t run over, but creatively developed the idea.
          1. sergskak
            +1
            4 January 2013 16: 47
            So it can be further developed, knowing the nearby world, and not only in Leningradka or Yaroslavka.
          2. sergskak
            0
            4 January 2013 17: 09
            Everyone is fed while the relationship is good. This position needs to be respected.
  36. +7
    4 January 2013 16: 47
    urgently need to close the border !!!!!!! and who already in Russia to throw out and it is better to create something like a gulag and all of them go there to uranium mines and all that if they want to work like that !!!!!!! and the law needs to be created that if a visitor to Russia commits a crime, then the punishment is 10 times stricter !!!!! enough to endure them already got !!!!!
  37. +5
    4 January 2013 17: 08
    It is necessary to clearly establish the rules for visitors. And clearly monitor compliance with these rules. Cover up fucking offices that legalize migrants and register them in 500 units per apartment. Crush licking and others who roof the hostels of migrants. There was still an article about what students in the CIS countries are taught. And we must understand that for us they are originally enemies. It’s just that now it’s profitable for them not to cut us, but to take our money. Therefore, there can be no talk of any integration. A lot more will be decided by the publication of the facts of the genocide of Russians from the CIS in the 80-90-s. And publication is not on the Internet, but on television. And many people think that poor, unfortunate people come to us fleeing poverty. These unfortunate ones will slaughter us at the slightest opportunity.
    1. +2
      4 January 2013 18: 25
      And many people think that poor, unfortunate people come to us fleeing poverty.

      Yes, no one really thinks. And they say this - because it is - Jewish propaganda for us suckers (.
  38. +1
    4 January 2013 17: 57
    The Soviet government spent 70 years on making free-thinking and intellectually developed people ... but grief came from the mind. Now, the liberals have regressed for 20 years ... and are trying to reduce the level of consciousness to two things: bullshit and fuck ... . to the level of migrants. The modern government does not need the intellectuals ... now they don’t need anything at all except the authorities ... the dream of the Generals from Saltykov-Shchedrin comes true ... there will be no people ... there is no country ... there is a territory. Example ... so this is their beloved West ... what the migrants did or created there ... rightly nothing ... emptiness and decay. A groveling eater and endless breeding. Where migrants come, old Europeans dump ... our rulers destroy their last refuge, Russia. Here the West freaks out ... Migrants are like locusts ... after them a lifeless desert. They rejoice as they multiply in Europe ... only there will be no Europeans ... the sweet life will end ... they will not be able to reproduce the blessings that they are given to them now, it will not be easy for anyone ... Amen, civilization ... and again the wild stone age about which migrants so dreaming ... grub and fuck.
  39. Oxanita
    +3
    4 January 2013 18: 02
    Putin proposed the introduction of an accelerated procedure for granting Russian citizenship to "compatriots, speakers of the Russian language and Russian culture, direct descendants of those who were born in both the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union" who express a desire to move to permanent residence in the Russian Federation and renounce their previous citizenship. -
    - And he gives away citizenship to the French, while nee-born Russians, who are ready to work for the good of Russia, have been waiting for citizenship for months or even years ...
  40. Oxanita
    0
    4 January 2013 18: 17
    You are sorry that I like this link to the question, but ... http://belayakholunitsa.ru/news.php?readmore=961

    and then everyone has a stereotype "a migrant is a semi-literate, tucked-in Rovshan or Dzhamshut, who has nothing to do with Russia."
    And EVERYONE forget about returnees. Both our problem and our existence are intensely reluctant to notice.
  41. +6
    4 January 2013 18: 35
    Quote: Tektor
    It is necessary to raise their educational and cultural level, for example, in evening boarding schools.


    1. Have you tried to take a calculator in your hands?
    2. Who will pay for this "cultural revolution" - Russian taxpayers?
    3. Europe went this way, in the hope of assimilation of emigrants, what came of it?

    Muslims, not just, do not assimilate, but to put it mildly, are unfriendly to another culture - remember the destruction of the Bamyan Buddha statues in Afghanistan (World Heritage!). For them, who is not a Muslim, he is unfaithful! Unfortunately, Islam in Russia is associated with its not the best manifestations, however, in the West too - this is a well-known fact.
    Stories demanding Muslims to cancel the celebration of the New Year first surfaced not in Russia, but in Europe - from where the stench spread to Russia. That Russia, would not repeat such lessons!
  42. +1
    4 January 2013 19: 03
    Yes, migration is a terrible headache. But here, without any migration, national enclaves are formed. You look at Kazan. Soon this Kazan boor (tank) tanks, like Chechnya, have to pacify.
    1. djon3volta
      0
      4 January 2013 22: 36
      I don’t have to, then there was a time of troubles, now many understand that it’s a little understandable that this will be a provocation, the government is not so stupid in the person of Putin so that Grozny 2. takes place in the center of Russia. things won’t go further than skating with flags .. earlier also around Moscow flags of chichi and dagi rode around, everything went quiet. I’m sure and the shooting at weddings will be strangled.
  43. 0
    4 January 2013 19: 21
    You, colleagues, do not get the idea that in itself the figure of 50-70 million is nonsense? where so much to take the people?

    and bureaucrats carrying such nonsense to the wall!
    1. +2
      4 January 2013 19: 44
      I already laid out this letter somehow, I repeat:

      An open letter from the head of the portal Superjob.ru, Alexei Zakharov, to the President of the Russian Federation

      http://www.superjob.ru/info/announcement.html?id=111332
      Dear Mr. President!

      You set the task of creating 25 millions of “good and well-paid" jobs by 2020 year. This is a great challenge, and we, as employers, are both in favor of it.

      But the real human resources policy is that by the year 2020 there will be additional 25 million jobs created for low-skilled migrants. This is in addition to the 10 — 15 millions of jobs that are already created for them.
      As a result of state policy in the coming decades, the number of low-skilled migrants attracted from abroad will be more than half of the economically active population of the country.

      Of course, we understand that a course has been taken on the innovative development of Russia. What is innovation? This is an increase in competitiveness through the application of advanced production management methods, cost reduction, etc. etc. In this sense, attracting a large number of low-paid and low-skilled labor force, which also works mostly outside the legal field on slave terms, is an unconditional innovation that allows organizations to reduce costs and become more competitive.

      This is a great solution! But it makes tens of millions of our fellow citizens completely uncompetitive. They already can not compete in the market of low-skilled labor. A Russian citizen cannot and should not compete for a job and a beggarly salary with visitors from Central Asia. Russian citizens are not ready and should not live in bestial conditions for 20 people in a room, getting meager wages for their work. And our citizens do not want.

      But, I emphasize, this does not mean that they do not want to work. They do not want to work for a salary that does not allow to give birth and raise children, eat normally and be treated. Moreover, according to our research, today 18% of our citizens feel real competition with visitors from Central Asia. But this is in general, and among low-skilled Russian youth and low-skilled older people, almost 25% already claim competition! These are terrible numbers, Mr. President!

      What advantages do we have from attracting tens of millions of low-skilled migrants? I see none. We blur the Russian culture (I emphasize, not Russian, but Russian). Uncontrolled migration creates problems not only in Moscow and other “Russian” megalopolises - in our “Muslim” regions the influx of cheap labor from abroad creates the same difficulties.

      Could someone ten years ago imagine that there would be classes in Moscow schools where children do not speak Russian fluently or do not speak the state language at all? Today it is a reality. If the flow is not stopped, then in a short time there will be schools and areas where it will be difficult to hear the Russian language. Five years ago the word “Moskvabad” did not exist in Russian. And today, this is no longer perceived as a joke.
  44. Vladislav
    0
    4 January 2013 19: 28
    sanek45744,
    1. +2
      4 January 2013 19: 44
      Continued:

      What modern economy and its development can we talk about when using slave labor? What kind of breakthroughs are we talking about if the average person living in Russia will hardly read and speak Russian in twenty years?

      We plan, through the Ministry of Labor, to spend hundreds of billions of rubles in the coming years to attract and adapt migrants. If the same money is additionally sent to the education of our citizens, there is still a chance that in 20 years we will still not forget how to fly into space.

      But just not enough money! It is necessary today (tomorrow it will be too late) to completely close the Russian labor market for unskilled migration from abroad. Completely! No quotas.

      The inability to attract cheap labor will force business to invest in those very innovations, increase labor productivity, and create “good” jobs. There is no other way. Either degradation (and its speed increases), or hard political decisions.

      The CIS, military bases, geopolitics ... All this is wonderful, just who will need all this in 20 — 30 years?

      I urge you, Mr. President, to take tough political decisions aimed at the complete prohibition of the importation of cheap labor into the territory of the Russian Federation.

      The world will not collapse. And prices will not rise. Salaries of a significant part of Russian citizens will grow. First, low-skilled, then those with higher qualifications: everything is interconnected. And this money will remain in the country - they will be spent on the development of the Russian economy. They will create new jobs for citizens of the Russian Federation.

      PS

      Why did I decide to write this letter? I have been talking about this for several years now: newspapers, radio, television, the Internet ... And if only I’d be alone. I am discussing this topic with high-ranking federal officials with whom you, Mr. President, are also personally acquainted. All hair stand on end on what is happening. But ... I ask my friends: well, you are the power, why are you silent? And in response, I hear: we are not there TAM (meaningfully looking up).

      Hear us, Mr. President!

      Head of Superjob.ru portal
      Alexey Zakharov
  45. +3
    4 January 2013 19: 42
    And Vaska is listening and eating! So is the bureaucratic-oligarchic ..ranium, which is the MAIN obstacle to the problem with migrants, since it is the MAIN user of the disenfranchised free migrant labor force, which allows earning colossal grandmothers, and is ready, together with its influential lobby in the government, to chat about any measures directed against it. So you need to start by cleansing from this trash!
    In unison with this trash are our lesbirast-gameokrats, who need migrants to "dilute" this unyielding reorientation to Western values ​​of the stubborn Russian people, which will allow Friends of Russia (modeled on Friends of Syria) to finally begin the long-awaited process of FINAL DECISION RUSSIAN QUESTION!
    1. +2
      4 January 2013 20: 26
      Quote: Goldmitro
      which is the MAIN obstacle to the problem of migrants, since it is the MAIN user of the disenfranchised gratuitous migrant labor force, which allows earning colossal grandmothers, and is ready, together with its influential lobby in the power, to have a chat about any measures directed against it. So you need to start by cleansing from this trash!

      Yes, this is a hedgehog in the forest! Think, people, and who benefits from this situation ?! For employers only! They plow from morning to night for a penny! They live in unbearable conditions, where there can be no talk of any hygiene! And our "rulily" together with their patrons for the loot have long since sold their homeland !!! am
  46. Vladislav
    +1
    4 January 2013 19: 56
    Quote: sanek45744
    urgently need to close the border !!!!!!! and who already in Russia to throw out and it is better to create something like a gulag and all of them go there to uranium mines and all that if they want to work like that !!!!!!! and the law needs to be created that if a visitor to Russia commits a crime, then the punishment is 10 times stricter !!!!! enough to endure them already got !!!!!

    These slogans smell bad and will not lead to anything good. Neither in terms of enforceability, nor in terms of the image of the state in the eyes of everyone, everyone, everyone.
    I think that can be made smarter and more efficient.
    1 Annually introduce entry quotas for labor visas for a certain period of work (up to quotas for professions);
    2 To issue to labor migrants a kind of "temporary labor passport" (a document of strict accountability with a high degree of protection against counterfeiting);
    3 Conduct a wide advertising of the FMS Helplines, on which everyone can inform about working (or non-working) migrants.
    4 to the Federal Migration Service, when identifying illegal migrants, send them home at the expense of their employer, which is easily and simply done (that is, the Bailiff Service). And do not write out meaningless fines.

    Pros:
    The cost of leaving illegal immigrants to their homeland can be multiplied by 2-3, thereby making the fight against them a very profitable business, and not obviously unprofitable, as it is now.
    Hiring guest workers will become economically unprofitable, because there will always be a risk of paying 10-15 "tickets to Tashkent" plus the cost of maintaining the same 10-15 "Uzbeks" while they "collect things".
    Entrance to Russia will become possible and will only make sense on labor visas to highly qualified specialists, because over time, finding an illegal job will become very problematic.
    A large-scale and effective fight against illegal immigrants will go without the above-described radical (and not so) slogans, within the framework of the legislation, and only by knocking out the financial basis from illegal migration. As practice shows, economic leverage can be very effective.

    Maybe I described everything a little awkwardly, but in my opinion it will be better. Maybe someone will describe it more comprehensively, and, with changes and additions, will convey my thoughts to those in power (or wider sections of society). Then - go ahead, I do not claim authorship wink
    1. +2
      4 January 2013 20: 15
      All this is difficult \\\
      "We love guest workers !?"

      One law will radically change the situation- The salary of a foreign worker should be TWO times higher than a Russian .... and that's it, you can forget about visas ..... and open the border wide (oh, I forgot about the death penalty for drugs)))
      1. +1
        4 January 2013 22: 49
        Quote: Asgard
        One law will radically change the situation- the salary of a foreign worker should be two times higher than the Russian .... and that's it

        As in Australia we cannot succeed, not one employer will not do it, this is the time, and if it works out, consider the Russian bear woke up. angry
      2. 0
        8 January 2013 08: 21
        This is exactly what the Japanese did, by the way - they obliged employers to pay Gaster twice as much as the Japanese. And the problem has been resolved.
    2. +2
      5 January 2013 02: 28
      so far, people like you will shout about the image and tolerance, our state will not be strong !!!!! in Europe, everyone is following the image! and tell me what’s good there !!!! no need to look at anyone !!! Stalin and Hitler did not look at anyone and created the strongest states !!!
  47. Sadikoff
    +2
    4 January 2013 21: 38
    And did these people want to conquer the Cosmos? Imperial greatness? And the crowds of patsaks immediately arouse the desire to take up arms, fenced off by the Great Russian Wall.
    The development of people implies the integration of people, so that they learn not only to coexist but also to cooperate. A strong person is afraid of little things and certainly no strangers just because they are not alike. That means you have to become just strong people. Was, lived in Germany, France, India and a little in Cuba, in general, such a problem is everywhere, there are people everywhere who think that something needs to be done with the Patsaks. I myself was behind the cordon in the Patsaka position, and served in the railway troops in 79-81,90 % were Azerbaijanis. I’m even Tatar but light, let's say
    There is no need to run away from problems that are not thought by the Duma or Putin. This is a tendency all over the world to integrate Humanity, to a world without borders, to establish Humanity as a cosmic subject.
    We must use weapons, first of all the law, to transform the patsaks into civilized ones, if they have a limp, and we need to train psychologically so that we don’t feel fear looking into the eyes of a terrible stranger. Aliens and theirs begin to limit themselves when they see I’m afraid, see the victim. I emphasize mine too. Learn psychotechnics ..
  48. LAO
    LAO
    0
    4 January 2013 21: 38
    The problem is really complicated. You can apply the experience of Singapore, a multinational state (you can look at it for a long time, see net.). It is easier to ban, of course, but then we will be left without everyone we love, Ravshan and Jumshut, who gave us many pleasant minutes on TV.
    I agree that it is necessary to limit the influx of migrants and let into the country not hucksters and slaves, but educated personnel (to provide work to trained, talented foreign students, etc.)
    A particularly interesting beginning of the article about the antiquity of Russian-Aryan civilization - Dr. Goebbels smiles and greets the author from the grave. His mournful work did not disappear, and most importantly, he sprouted in a country that fought with his ideology. For him, this is a posthumous victory! The disputes of fascism sprout in different countries like mold and there is no cure for this.
  49. +2
    4 January 2013 21: 54
    Minsk riot police showed Asians that Moscow is not here

    5uksi2_w465h262Twenty citizens of Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are detained in Minsk for petty hooliganism at New Year's festivities.

    This was announced today at an operational meeting in the city hall by the deputy chief of the Central Internal Affairs Directorate of the Minsk City Executive Committee - the head of the public security police Alexander Ioskin, BelTA reports.

    In the area of ​​the Sports Palace, people from the Asian region (about 100 people) behaved inappropriately in relation to each other and others. The appeals of law enforcement officials to stop illegal actions have caused inappropriate actions on the part of lawbreakers.

    “They tried to resist the police, as a result of which 20 people were detained, of which 18 were citizens of Turkmenistan, students of various educational institutions in Minsk, two were citizens of Uzbekistan, and employees of a foreign enterprise. They compiled protocols on petty hooliganism, ”said Alexander Ioskin, adding that the fate of the detainees and the possibility of their stay in Belarus will be considered by the Oktyabrsky District Court.

    Foreign violators were detained to prevent possible conflict situations, because on New Year's Eve at 19.40 at the Kupalovskaya metro station there was a conflict between citizens of Belarus and three immigrants from the Asian region, which was stopped by police. “Given the New Year holidays and the absence of claims to each other after the preventive work, these persons were released,” said Alexander Ioskin.

    In general, in the places of public festivities in the capital, no significant offenses were recorded. During the New Year's Day, 50 crimes and incidents occurred in Minsk, which is half as much as last year. From December 31 to January 2, 54 drivers were arrested while intoxicated.
    1. sergey261180
      +2
      4 January 2013 22: 21
      Old Man steers! Not that Pukin.
  50. +1
    4 January 2013 22: 00
    It is necessary to arm themselves so that the movement does not work out in Syria, "Alkaidists" will come to the house and you have a barrel in their nose and the issue is resolved!
  51. Skinny
    +2
    4 January 2013 22: 01
    I respect Islam. But I believe that everyone, except for the peoples traditionally professing Islam, should easily obtain citizenship in order to fill the country to the defense of an able state. Identifying such peoples is very easy.
    The Chinese will marry a Russian, have children, these children will be Russian (if in Russia)
    Now an Arab with a Russian. Even after 10 generations for the "circumcised" Abdula and Adilia, who grew up in a hijab
    Russia will be alien.
    And in the case of a Chinese or an Indian, especially a peasant, already the 2nd generation will not be any different from
    "Indigenous" I hate the Natsiks, but you have to look with a cold eye and not play super liberals, so we will produce Breiviks, and then crescents may appear over the eagle.
  52. +1
    4 January 2013 22: 22
    In general, they overwhelm us with “working personnel”. And apparently, until pogroms happen somewhere in our country, the authorities will not notice the problem. Although, on the other hand, if the government attracts gastars to work, I have only one conclusion - the government does not want to pay its citizens reasonable money. For example, we built a sports complex for gastars. As a result, it was redone for a couple of months. But the point is different. After all, it was our “citizens” who hired them in pursuit of quick and easy money.
    But these are all trifles compared to the criminal elements penetrating into the territory of our country. These are new drug trafficking. This is a wave of new crimes. In my opinion, the main thing is that all these criminals have a place to retreat. And of course they will cover the houses. He committed a crime, went home, and after a while he returned. and that's all.
    And the authorities themselves educate us in the spirit of tolerance and tolerance. They just don’t say what and how long to tolerate.
  53. +1
    4 January 2013 22: 56
    A clear, transparent and balanced policy in the migration sphere of Russia is urgently needed for decades to come! The Russian people are the state-forming people, the core and guarantor of stability in our country and in the world in general. And all the peoples of Russia must, are obliged to look up to him and be in alliance with him for centuries and build a common state.
  54. Sadikoff
    +1
    4 January 2013 23: 11
    It is urgently necessary for worthy people to have inner integrity of spirit, a solid core, and then, regardless of the color of the passport, the knight of the spirit will pacify the insolent lower caste with one glance.
  55. tommy1984
    +1
    4 January 2013 23: 49
    Germany also has problems with migration. Despite very strict laws, the number of migrants is arriving. Mostly Turks and Arabs go. Now more Greeks and Spaniards have come here. Interestingly, migrants from these countries are mainly young men. but mostly girls come from Russia, Ukraine, and the Baltic states, who then usually marry Germans and stay here.
  56. +3
    4 January 2013 23: 58
    How to conquer a state without using external aggression?

    The tactics of peaceful occupation include the following steps:
    (I want to note that the above tactics are designed for several generations of invaders and the gradual occupation of the country).
    1) Resettlement in the territory of an occupied state under the guise of “peaceful” trade migrants.
    2) Dumbing the local population through drinking establishments and drug traffickers. etc. (In this case, it is not necessary to trade yourself, you can produce them or import in bulk, always staying in the shade.).
    3) Quick enrichment through any kind of similar “activity” and due to huge capital, penetration into the financial structure of the state.
    4) Penetration into the financial structure of the state, gives the merger of financial and state activities. That is, what the invaders were striving for, the seizure of all power and money in the occupied country.
    5) In order to maximize the enrichment of the occupation regime, monopolies are created in the country, which include all the seized resources of the occupied country. This includes land resources, raw materials, energy resources, forest wealth, etc.
  57. +3
    5 January 2013 00: 16
    All those officials and businessmen who advocate the massive import of migrants
    live in another universe
    their children study abroad
    they don't walk the streets
    don't go to regular stores
    they are not subject to the same threats that threaten an ordinary person.
    They don't mind anything...
    Naturally, the more migrants there are, the greater the chance that one of them will rise up and replace the same officials and businessmen.
    But by that time all our bureaucrats will become rich to death and will live somewhere in warm countries.
  58. fenix57
    +3
    5 January 2013 01: 01
    I heard golden words from studentmati and TROG, right to the point. You have to start from the top. hi
    1. +1
      5 January 2013 01: 05
      Yes, Valery needs to start as soon as possible, before the process turns irreversible! If you haven't already?
  59. 0
    5 January 2013 01: 03
    Quote: vadimN
    I recommend Saiga-410...

    vadimN,
    There is no need to recommend any G... I'm not against saiga, I'm against 410!!!
    12 or 20, Vepr or, as a last resort, MP!!!
  60. +1
    5 January 2013 01: 12
    Labor migration as a way to grab Siberia and the Far East from us? Hmmm, quite possible. I probably upvote this article by Alexander Samsonov.
    1. +1
      5 January 2013 01: 19
      This is no longer “quite possible”, but concretely real. All border areas with China are “quietly and silently” occupied. Tactics of “creeping aggression” in the active phase. Still slightly and unnoticed is the growth of the population (the “aggressor”) in geometric progression. Further everything is according to plan....
  61. Psychojoker
    0
    5 January 2013 01: 38
    I read the comments and periodically nod in support. I agree, we need to act, we need to defend ourselves, we need to drive out all kinds of reptiles. Only now my eyes are a little slanted, and there is a suspicion that I, along with all the “filthy non-Russian nonsense,” will fly abroad or into a coffin, because they won’t sort out the “fire.” And then I get nervous request
    1. 0
      5 January 2013 01: 47
      Russia is a very multinational country. And the process of assimilation has always been present, and this is even very good from a genetic point of view. The fear of migration as a threat to national security is primarily a political process. And in this process, certain nationalities are simply an instrument in achieving certain political goals, goals pursued by states seeking to fragment multinational Russia in order to further seize its gigantic natural resources.
  62. pag-uralmir
    +5
    5 January 2013 02: 31
    RUSSIAN HELP RUSSIAN!
    Lay down over the precipice the Russian way.
    And breaks into the abyss distance.
    Russian, don’t forget Russian.
    Russian, don’t betray Russian.
    We would not have stepped over the edge
    Yes, pushing enemies.
    Russian, help the Russian.
    Russian, help Russian.
  63. implacable
    -13
    5 January 2013 03: 58
    Rus' had a choice - Islam or Christianity, whichever they chose, they chose, and as a result, drunkenness, moral degradation, brutality, the arrival of Asians is a blessing no matter what.
    1. +2
      5 January 2013 06: 31
      Quote: Relentless
      Rus' had a choice - Islam or Christianity, whichever they chose, they chose, and as a result, drunkenness, moral degradation, brutality, the arrival of Asians is a blessing no matter what.

      Have you already accepted Islam?
    2. Ostanin
      +3
      5 January 2013 19: 55
      Judging by the number of Kazakh gasters in our camp, the exodus of Russian Christians is not good for you for some reason. Have you forgotten who taught you to go to the toilet standing and use a fork and spoon? You still live off what the Russian Christians built for you and taught you.
      1. Marek Rozny
        0
        10 January 2013 20: 54
        there are no Kazakh gasters in Russia. do not make up and do not confuse with Tajiks or Uzbeks.
        1. -3
          11 January 2013 13: 57
          What kind of stubbornness do you have, what makes you think that there is no?!
          How can you know this living in the Republic of Kazakhstan?!!
          I know that there is more as I saw them live
          1. Marek Rozny
            0
            12 January 2013 12: 02
            It was you who looked in the mirror. there I saw a “gast refugee” from Kazakhstan. Why should a Kazakh fish in Russia? Salaries in the regions are lower or approximately the same as ours. Taxes are higher. Plus taxes for "foreignness". Goods are more expensive. And most importantly - the pigish attitude of the locals towards Asians. What the hell is this “Disneyland” when you can make money easier and easier in KZ.
            If anyone goes to Russia to work, then these are ethnic Russians who have decided to move to the Russian Federation and for now live and work in Russia as citizens of KZ.
            According to Russian official data (FMS and the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation in the Republic of Kazakhstan), there are more guest workers from Russia to KZ than from KZ to the Russian Federation.
            1. -1
              12 January 2013 13: 26
              I’m wondering are you really that stupid or are you just being a fool, unlike you, I have the opportunity to compare not by articles from newspapers, but by real examples and life, stop hitting yourself with your left heel in your right tit, the industry in the Republic of Kazakhstan was ruined and when you like you sing hymns about the construction of a new “workshop”, it becomes funny if you consider that they put it on the ruins of a destroyed factory, don’t make people laugh about taxes at all, the Kazakh VAT is a noose for production, it is designed for “buy and sell”
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              these are ethnic Russians who decided to move to the Russian Federation and for now live and work in Russia as citizens of KZ.

              I repeat once again, stop talking nonsense about something that you don’t even have an idea about. There are a lot of KAZAKHS here who moved from the Republic of Kazakhstan
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              According to Russian official data (FMS and the Chamber of Commerce and Industry of the Russian Federation in the Republic of Kazakhstan), there are more guest workers from Russia to KZ than from KZ to the Russian Federation.

              please give me the link
              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Products are more expensive

              Are you surprised by the refrigerator, which in Alma-Ata cost $2500-3000, here I bought it for $XNUMX, the bread here is more expensive, but of higher quality, the meat is cheaper
              1. Marek Rozny
                +1
                13 January 2013 00: 02
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Are you really that stupid or are you just being a fool?

                go look in the mirror. Then figure out whether you're stupid or just being a fool. You’ve already merged on all the issues in other topics, you just want to keep throwing feces.
                1) I’ve lived in Russia for half my life, I’m tired of writing this already - the city of Orenburg. In addition, for work I traveled throughout Siberia and the European part of the Russian Federation, and was in the capital several times. calm down.
                2) I’ve already written to you a hundred times about the industry, but if you don’t want to believe thousands of links on the Internet, don’t. who is to blame for the fact that you no longer fit additional information?
                3) about taxes, go and explain to the Russian government that there are “terrible cannibalistic” taxes in Kazakhstan, otherwise they are alarmed there because of the outflow of enterprises and capital from the Russian Federation to KZ. They are stupid people, of course, unlike you, a genius of who knows what.
                4) Give me statistics on Kazakhs and Russians who have moved to Russia in recent years and calm down after digesting this information.
                I’ve already sent numbers and links to people like you a hundred times - you don’t know how to read! Type it into Google and read it YOURSELF, if you are hostile to any of my information! Why the hell should I do monkey work if you again vilify my message out of your natural malice, without ever citing any numbers. banned from Google? or are you afraid to face the truth, having learned that the mass exodus of Russians from KZ ended a long time ago? At the same time, look at the Russian Federation data on how many people move from Russia to KZ. This will make you wildly angry, I think))))))))))
                5) About goods and prices in general - go for a walk, Vasya. All you have to do is grind bullshit. Otherwise, I would have known that before the Customs Union in Kazakhstan there were generally extremely low customs duties, you just want to scratch your tongue and beg Russians on the forum for compassion for the “unfortunate sufferer” whom the Kazakhs did not appreciate))))))))) I sympathize with Russia, that all sorts of slag moved from KZ to her, who, even in her homeland among the Russians, still cannot achieve anything. Previously there was an excuse - “the Kazakhs did not let us live,” but now what? Of the hundred thousand million Russian immigrants from KZ, name the names of politicians, artists, athletes, and businessmen who have achieved all-Russian success. 20 years have passed. Where are the “best golden minds and hands of the KazSSR”? Are the Jews now bothering you, the “eternal refugees”? Putin? Guest workers? Omeriga? Psychological trauma? Cthulhu? What have you, settlers, given to Russia in 20 years, besides your moaning and hysterics? You once supposedly built the whole of Kazakhstan :))))) Where are you? Awww!
    3. tungus-meteorit
      0
      6 January 2013 13: 35
      Christianity does not teach anything bad, and all these vices come from unbelief, and not from faith. But among Muslims, intercourse between boys and violence against all women who are not Muslims is widespread. This is good? So don't.
      1. Marek Rozny
        +1
        13 January 2013 01: 40
        Tungus meteorite, you write nonsense. Islam strongly condemns homosexual relations. In Sharia countries, cases of sodomy and pedophilia are extremely rare and are usually punishable by death.
        About violence against women - the same utter nonsense. Do not confuse the mentality of Afghans/Pakistanis (and not all of them, these are very diverse nations) and Islam. The Prophet Muhammad spoke only about honoring women.
        If you consciously and unconsciously confuse the mentalities of some ethnic groups with religion, you can end up saying that all Christians burn people in concentration camp ovens, that all Christians kill children when they disagree with government policies, and that all Christians are gay and prostituted.
    4. Ingvald_Bueny
      0
      6 January 2013 13: 55
      Quote: Relentless
      Rus' had a choice - Islam or Christianity, whichever they chose, they chose, and as a result, drunkenness, moral degradation, brutality, the arrival of Asians is a blessing no matter what.

      First, think about what you write, and then write... drunkenness, degradation, and other negative factors are the result of the “benefits” of post-industrial society, the implantation of an atheistic worldview in Russia, breaks in the cultural heritage of the Russian People. Until 1917, Russia was a Christian Country, part of a Christian Civilization, and developed very rapidly, so when you talk about Christianity, you offend the feelings of Believers and those who value the History of Russia. The history of Russia has never been so rich in exploits and victories and achievements than that of the Christian Russian Empire.
      You should be ashamed of your comment.
  64. AntiSocial
    0
    5 January 2013 04: 56
    a phenomenal number of idiots gathered in this topic
  65. 0
    5 January 2013 05: 11
    Yes .. there is something to think about .. More precisely, grab your head. Here, too, a Russian person lives abroad. He escaped in the 90s from powerlessness from unemployment, from the hopelessness of the Russian North. I must tell you, my brothers. Russians are assimilating, of course, into the Anglo-Saxon environment, but not entirely. Still, something remains... Although the general education system of Northern America is truly raising SLAVES... Yes, there is plus minus, yes two plus two... But when the children who were transported in the 5th grade from Russia run around dumbfounded for two years because they are in the same in classes here they force you to “draw sticks straight”.. Not a joke.. Really. Even after going through the “ironing” process, the majority still think and understand better and faster than the majority. On duty, he served in the landing force in one of our cavalry republics as a sniper. Other “non-Slavic nations” are completely different...They will NEVER assimilate into Russian culture. We need something different...European homo civilization does not suit us. All generations talk about this, even the oldest emigrants with the surname "ROMANOF" the men themselves communicated personally... And not alone... There is a witness Zhenya Belarus. Some of them survived, I'll probably give a tip to anyone who is interested. For Russia, I think the new is the forgotten old. Tsarism and I am increasingly inclined towards this. We killed our king...And even Prince HARRY is theoretically the heir to the Russian throne..Look what is happening in England.The English, real Anglo-Saxons, are fleeing to Canada. There are more mosques in England than churches already... Do we want this too? There is no need to resist. Democracy is needed locally, like in Novgorod. The people...native Russians do not accept foreigners...only Slavs or Russified Tatars. Have you not noticed the popular upsurge of Russian self-awareness...? Feelings and awareness that we are not like that? This is obvious to me. We are Russians and we have the right to defend our land by any means. I’ll be back instantly if anything serious happens in my homeland. Nobody has canceled my VUS yet..
    1. DeerIvanovich
      +4
      5 January 2013 21: 32
      Go with your Harry into the darkness of the cockroach!!!
      Why the hell did their English holiness provoke a revolution in our country? Why the hell didn’t they help their Romanov relatives to save themselves when they asked?
      Yes, because they always gnawed and killed each other, why the hell we don’t need your Angos-Saxons. We are the Slavs, the most ancient people in Europe, and we will once again become the basis for a united world, and not your Anglo-Saxons, no matter how they dream about it

      According to some conspiracy theorists, one of the options for the further development of Russia is the transition of Russia under the control of England; this is not what you want. So here we go, let’s arrange a Patriotic War for you!
  66. +5
    5 January 2013 05: 13
    Quote: Relentless
    Rus' had a choice - Islam or Christianity, whichever they chose, they chose, and as a result, drunkenness and moral degradation

    laughing You probably call the launch of the first man into space degradation?! Or is it that Russia somehow happened to occupy 1/6 of the landmass and own 40% of the resources? Or maybe “degradation” is the Cossacks in Paris and the banner over the Reichstag?! Or which of these Russian inventions do you, dear fellow, consider to be “degradation”: radio, image transmission (TV, that is), the periodic table....continue.
    You, our dear, non-degraded one, can you give equivalent examples of scientific, cultural and military achievements from other countries?
    Or are you just shaking the air? So we haven’t run out of buffoons on TV yet, if anything
    1. +2
      5 January 2013 05: 28
      +100 000 000% The Russians returned and occupied new lands in a completely different way, not by killing everyone, but by “training” AND THE PEOPLES BELIEVED...Why? Yes, they didn’t rob or kill...for nadiva’s sake. In India there is a rigid caste system..cruel..but not in vain..They are still brothers of the ARIES WHO CAME FROM THE NORTH. THINK.
  67. bravo-fab
    +3
    5 January 2013 07: 42
    If more immigrants are brought here to the Far East, in particular to Vladivostok, we gun owners will create armed squads, and not care about Federal laws! This is our land! Defend the Motherland from both external and internal! Do not awaken the wrath of the Marines, the landing force, and the Far Easterners.
    Personally, I don’t want to live where there is a minority of Russians and the dominance of others, you’ll get a bullet.
    1. gladiatorakz
      +3
      5 January 2013 11: 34
      Quote: bravo-fab
      If more immigrants are brought here to the Far East, in particular to Vladivostok, we gun owners will create armed squads, and not care about Federal laws! This is our land! Defend the Motherland from both external and internal! Do not awaken the wrath of the Marines, the landing force, and the Far Easterners.

      Here is Rus' voice!
  68. 0
    5 January 2013 07: 54
    Emigrants are bureaucratic affairs and so far no one is quietly raising this question! But the discontent of the people at the moment is almost at its peak; if the authorities do not deal with this issue, then we can deal with it. Judging by the comments above there will be a lot of blood, it won’t seem enough to anyone “God forbid, of course”
    I regard the article as just another hoax, be careful friends, there must be as few reasons as possible to start a war on our land!
  69. +2
    5 January 2013 10: 41
    PEOPLE!!! LISTEN YOU FINALLY!!! WE HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH IGODITY!!! HUGE PROBLEM WITH YOURSELF!!! HAVE CHILDREN, WHAT ARE YOU DISCUSSING WEAPONS, RIFLES WHATSOEVER, YOU ARE DOOMED TO SPEAK AGAIN, LIKE HERE IN EUROPE. HAVE CHILDREN, GIVE UP ALL (!!!!!!!) PLEASURES AND TAKE SERIOUSLY TAKEN ABOUT THE ISSUE OF A HEALTHY FAMILY, THE BASIS NOAH ON FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. GO TO ANY (!!!) PRAYER HOUSE OF EVANGELIC CHRISTIANS BAPTISTS - NO ONE THERE DOES PLANNING FOR A FAMILY AND CHILDREN THERE THERE ARE AT LEAST FOUR IN THE FAMILY. AND IN THE CLASSICAL VARIANT THERE IS AN AVERAGE FROM 8 TO 10 CHILDREN. YOU HAVE NO REPRESENTATION HOW AWESOME IT IS TO HAVE A LARGE FAMILY THAT LIVES ACCORDING TO THE CANONS OF GOD HIMSELF.PEOPLE!!! REMEMBER!!! In principle, there is no time, it is useless to arm yourself. Read better to the Bible and draw conclusions. I am 4 years in marriage, in the spring we are waiting for the 3rd child. I’m not going to engage in family planning. And God will not leave us without bread.

    I read and am surprised - quote - “There is no need to resist. Democracy is necessary in the localities, like in Novgorod. The people... the indigenous Russians do not accept foreigners... only Slavs or Russified Tatars. Have you not noticed the popular upsurge of Russian self-awareness...? Feelings and awareness, that we are not like that? For me it is obvious. We are Russians and we have the right to defend our land by any means" - THE BEST RESISTANCE IS TO LEAVE RICH PROGRESSION AFTER YOURSELF. AGAIN I SHOUT TO ALL OF YOU - ARM YOURSELF WITH THE BIBLE AND HAVE CHILDREN, THEN GO TO THE STREET AND TELL OTHERS WHAT TO DO OR IT'S THE END.
    1. bravo-fab
      0
      5 January 2013 11: 00
      Living in a city in Russia, an ordinary family at a given level of taxes, tariffs, and salaries, having more than 3 children is very expensive, and it is almost impossible to pay for all 3 of them the education of their choice. in the village, maybe yes, but not everyone likes to live by subsistence farming and earn money from it. we are within limits
      FOREIGNERS, with their cheap labor, for which they pay less, are driving down wages for the INDIGENOUS POPULATION! The problem is immigrants, there will be money, more families will give birth. God knows, humanism and rationalism are no worse than Christianity. Just don’t start arguments about religion and others.
    2. tungus-meteorit
      +1
      5 January 2013 14: 51
      Well, there are many examples of large families among traditional Christians (Orthodox), and not just among sectarian Baptists (I personally do not scold you, because I use the word sectarian in the religious sense, meaning everyone who separated or went into schism from a single traditional Churches or any religious informals), which are still a denomination alien to Russia and certainly not patriotic. Protestant sects cover only a small percentage of all believers. Please tell me: why Baptists and other neo-Protestants (neo-Protestants are all those who broke away from Protestants in the 17th-20th centuries - Lutherans, Anglicans, Reformed) go to serve with a clear conscience in the US Army (and the armed forces of other Western countries) , not considering this a contradiction to the Gospel principles, and they take an oath there and shoot at their enemies, but Baptists and other neo-Protestants living in the countries of the former USSR refuse to serve in the army, take an oath and take up arms? Although our sectarians seem to have descended from theirs. The same Billy Graham from the USA came to Soviet Baptists and they still highly respect him, for his incendiary sermons about the salvation of souls... If you don’t know the answer, then I’ll explain to you: because that was the task of the sectarians - to inflict at least in this way damage to the defense capability of the USSR (Russia). Everything is very simple. And religion has nothing to do with it. Sorry if anything.
      1. -2
        5 January 2013 20: 11
        you read the history of Baptistism, Billy Gramm has nothing to do with it at all, or better yet, read the Bible, all the answers are there to any question. According to the oath, the Bible clearly teaches - “do not swear.” As for weapons, back in the 16th century, believers decided on their hearts not to take them at all in the hands. And in the West there is an alternative service where many go and serve. Including believers. But I am now saying that Orthodox Baptists, and vice versa, will not interfere with the preservation of the nation.
        1. Ingvald_Bueny
          +1
          6 January 2013 14: 11
          Quote: Edouard
          you read the history of Baptistism, Billy Gramm has nothing to do with it at all, or better yet, read the Bible, all the answers are there to any question. According to the oath, the Bible clearly teaches - “do not swear.” As for weapons, back in the 16th century, believers decided on their hearts not to take them at all in the hands. And in the West there is an alternative service where many go and serve. Including believers. But I am now saying that Orthodox Baptists, and vice versa, will not interfere with the preservation of the nation.

          I respect your point of view, but.....in the 16th century there were non-stop wars, and if many believers (in this case I mean Orthodox and Catholics) had not taken up arms, then in place of Western Europe and Northern Eurasia - Russia now would probably have a “mighty Ottoman Empire” or something else, and we wouldn’t be communicating here.
        2. tungus-meteorit
          +2
          6 January 2013 14: 13
          They have already written to you that this site is not a place for religious sermons, since it is mainly devoted to military topics. But I'll have to answer you a little. I know the history of the Church, religions and various sects very well. But you, as is already evident, do not know the history of your Baptistism, or it was presented to you incorrectly - in exclusively rosy tones. You write: /Back in the 16th century, believers made it upon their hearts not to take them into their hands at all/ - this is not true! The first Protestants - Martin Luther and John Calvin - never gave up weapons, and their followers - Lutherans and Calvinists (Reformed) always fought, and a lot. From the very beginning of the Reformation, under the direct leadership of Luther and Calvin themselves. They declared war on Catholics and each other. Moreover, the Protestants established the Inquisition, which during the religious wars in Europe (16-17 centuries) executed tens of times more people than the Catholic Inquisition during its entire 700 years of existence. A strange struggle for the purity of the Evangelical faith. Now about the Baptists. The first so-called Anabaptist (from the Greek rebaptism, because they rebaptized all those who came to them who were baptized in other churches, as Baptists do now) was Thomas Munzer. He rebelled against Catholics and Lutherans, and his followers burned entire villages of their opponents. Then, on Luther's orders, Münzer was caught and executed. His followers were burned at the stake by the Lutherans. Then the Baptists (from the Greek baptism, but considered only their own relatives to be baptized and saved) reappeared in England 150 years later, but began to emigrate to North America (because the Protestant Church of England began to persecute them for promoting anarchism), where the Baptists became the majority and distinguished themselves in the mass shooting of Indians. It was they who preached the Bible to them in their own unique way. Now about the Bible. In the USA alone there are more than 23 thousand Protestant denominations (the USA is generally the birthplace of most sects) and they all read the same Bible, and each interprets it in its own way, recognizing only its own understanding as correct. The fragmentation of Protestant sects continues precisely on this basis: when another preacher comes with his new interpretation of the Bible, another sect appears. Likewise with the words “do not swear at all” (Matt. 5.34). But, it is necessary correctly (i.e. Orthodox) understand in what sense it was said, to whom and in relation to what. In one place it is said this way, and in others it is said differently. Here are links to quotes where it is said differently. The apostles swore, look at the following places in the New Testament: Rom.1.9; 2Cor.1.23; Eph.4.17; Phil.1.8; 2Tim.4.1; Heb.6.16. The apostles would not contradict Christ - they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Various sectarians misinterpret the Bible, in one place they see one thing and focus on this quote, when in another place there is something else, but everything must be understood in context and comprehensively. Therefore, sectarians have a lot of contradictory interpretations of the same Bible, and the same quotes from it. Also with regard to military service: the Gospel nowhere says “leave military service”, but on the contrary it is said to the soldiers: “Do not offend anyone, do not slander, and be content with your salary” (Luke 3.14), that is, remain in the service, just don’t Rob, don't rape, don't slander your comrades and be happy with your salary. I repeat: here we will not engage in polemics on religious topics.
      2. Ingvald_Bueny
        0
        6 January 2013 14: 20
        With respect, a plus from me for your objective and competent comments.
    3. Denzel13
      +4
      5 January 2013 15: 54
      Quote: Edouard
      YOU ARE DISCUSSING WEAPONS, SOME RIFLES, YOU ARE DOOMED TO SAY SO MUCH


      What gathered here were mostly well-established people with their own established point of view. I don’t think it’s worth giving us lectures and sermons, as they say: “Don’t tell me what to do and I won’t tell you where to go.” Let's start with the fact that FAITH for any person is a purely personal and very intimate matter. Therefore, you should not poke your nose into the relationship between God and an individual. At a minimum, this is unethical and is an imposition of one’s point of view, which, by the way, may not be at all interesting.

      And in conclusion, I agree that it is necessary to leave offspring behind and raise children as normal people. You just need to protect your family. And it so happened that I had a chance to see what happened to many Russian families in some republics on the territory of the former USSR. After this, I concluded that the most correct “communication” with certain groups of people is obtained through a sight.

      Preach elsewhere, you are unlikely to find like-minded people. The site has the wrong topic.
  70. +1
    5 January 2013 11: 12
    bravo-fab,
    I can give hundreds of addresses in Russia and in the post-Soviet space, where Christian families have 8-10 children. There is enough money, there is education, there is also food, and there is clothes and the children’s conscience is also in order. Don’t look for excuses in statistics, sir , prove your nationality with deeds, not words. I already said, you have to give up pleasures and money will immediately appear.
    1. bravo-fab
      +2
      5 January 2013 15: 10
      I actually described an example using my family, 3 children
  71. sad32wqesadf
    0
    5 January 2013 11: 24
    It just can't be !!! The FSB has created this http://zipurl.ws/sngbaza database about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. Really was really scared
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
  72. Oxanita
    +5
    5 January 2013 14: 25
    I read the discussions here and further (since I have been studying the topic of migration for more than a year and trying to draw attention to it in the context of protecting the rights of compatriots)...
    Does anyone notice how the “indigenous” local population views labor, especially unpopular, low-paid labor?
    We live in the Russian outback, far from borders and hot spots.
    There is unemployment, but more and more people are ready to sign the request to “bring the employment service to hell” and stop “feeding the unemployed.” After being on benefits for a couple of months, a person is no longer going to go to any work at all! It’s easier for him to sit at home, get even this meager amount and drink! You can’t even force them out of work to improve the city: you can’t force them! It's not free. But neither the employment service nor the municipality have funds. Moreover: if they appear at the municipality, they cannot get anyone through the employment service. The head of the district himself threw up his hands: “We have registered there as nothing but violinists, they can’t lift a broom, they’re not suited for physical labor!” - and really started talking about whether it’s time to attract migrants, real Dzhamshuts and Rovshans, for improvement! But not every institution has the right to do this, and this cannot be resolved quickly.
    I understand that the reluctance to work for pennies is often justified, moreover, it is a product of the communist regime and all the post-perestroika rubbish that taught people to want to earn money or get a lot at once, because “tomorrow may not exist at all,”
    But between the prospect of sitting in the dirt, doing nothing yourself and not allowing others to do it, or hiring those who are satisfied with the conditions for performing such work, think for yourself what to choose.

    After all, locals themselves most often go to cleanup days only if it is during school or work, and not on weekends.
    You will laugh (if you are still able and anger has not filled your brains!): THREE volunteer events to clean up at least some corners of the city were held last year... a Georgian entrepreneur, at his own expense, running a “children’s town” in the center of the city, and therefore, who bought paints, and a sand machine for adding sand, and other building materials for this town and...
    I, a migrant-compatriot-returnee, was in the status “between a temporary residence permit and a residence permit,” and therefore limited in a bunch of rights, even though I lived in this city for almost 7 years before school and then came here every year!
    But the local wise guys, longing for the USSR, go around moaning that the local authorities don’t give a damn about anything, they don’t care about people, but they themselves won’t bend over again and pick up a broken branch! Then, if something happens, they will shout louder than anyone else, “Oh, what a horror, they let migrant workers into the city!”
    Well, who is deceiving whom, eh?
    1. DeerIvanovich
      0
      5 January 2013 21: 38
      you are absolutely right and I agree with you, the larger the city, the more whining and less to do :(
      One recently surprised young man, 30 years old, scolds the USSR with all his might, and almost embraces liberalism. but how he behaves towards the coffee workers: he was rude to the waiters, littered more and was dissatisfied, saying that the Asians were to blame, although the waiters were a young, thin guy who could not answer anything.
  73. tungus-meteorit
    +2
    5 January 2013 14: 37
    / Alexander Samsonov. I will quote you: /In this regard, Russia, as a kind of “reserve” of the direct descendants of the Boreals, Indo-Europeans - Aryans, who gave birth to all the white peoples in their development, raises the greatest concerns. It is Great Russia, the superethnos of the Rus, that can offer the world a different concept of globalization, preserving racial and national differences, where all peoples can preserve their characteristics. The masters of the West deliberately mix races and peoples, creating ideal slaves, without past and future, living only by consumption.

    It’s not for nothing that the “nationality” column has been removed from passports, and the word “Russian” is being carefully replaced with “Russian-speaking” and “Russian”. Under attack are not only ethnic Russians (the superethnos of the Rus - Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians), but also the indigenous peoples of Russian civilization, who have adopted the Russian language and Russian culture as their own. After the final disintegration and assimilation of the Rus-Russians, the Tatars, Mari, Mordovians, Chuvashs and others are doomed./

    Well, many Caucasian peoples (almost all North Caucasian and some Transcaucasian) are of Aryan and Indo-European origin. Another thing is their attitude towards Russia and Russians. But there are different historical and religious nuances here. And everyone is different. Somewhere this attitude (if it is negative) was instilled by the historical enemies of Russia (Turkey, Persia, England, etc.), and somewhere else tsarist and Soviet officials tried, without particularly understanding the local characteristics and differences. Which, if not taken into account, become a ticking time bomb. The assimilation of Russian peoples among Russians is also a globalization process, and as you rightly noted: with a different concept of globalization, with the preservation of national differences. Russia and the Russian world, which partly includes the Caucasus, is a different civilization, different from the Western one, and this civilization pursues more spiritual goals than material ones, so to speak - the soul and conscience of all humanity. Therefore, we (Russians, although you don’t like this word, but we are not Russians, and therefore Russians) need to be united with the Russians (patriots of their Motherland), but not with the West or the East. These are our common eternal enemies.
    1. Ingvald_Bueny
      0
      6 January 2013 14: 24
      Very well written. Plus.
  74. Ostanin
    +1
    5 January 2013 19: 05
    This is no longer a threat, this is already a war. The more Asians there are in our country, the more indigenous people are left without work and livelihoods, the more drugs, national organized crime groups there are in our country, and, as a result, the more Russian fascists, oddly enough. The professions of reinforcement, bricklayer, concreter, roofer and other construction workers are already associated with Asians. But, quite recently, these were prestigious and highly paid professions. And there’s no need to say that without them, there’s really no way around it – it’s nonsense. The issue of remuneration for labor is another topic. I don’t know what to expect from such a government policy, but I know for sure - nothing good. There is a clear genocide of the Russian people and other peoples on Russian territory. Dissatisfaction with visitors is growing like a snowball - all that remains is to bring a match to make a big BOOM. And why, one wonders, did they expel the Russians from their republics?! They stole everything from themselves, sold it off, and rushed to us Russians like locusts. I am amazed at the patience of our people - we are still coddling with them after what they did to us in their republics.
  75. +4
    5 January 2013 19: 12
    The fact that they are talking about this problem is good. But how much can you say when things happen?! How much steam can people let off in all kinds of forums or kitchens?! He's not coming down anymore!!! Nothing spoils the mood more than these faces in the subway and on the streets!!! When will the real work of the authorities happen?! If people talk seriously about shooting, it means they have no patience at all! However, I am far from the idea that migration is spontaneous and unregulated, this is state policy, motherfucker!!!
    1. Ostanin
      +3
      5 January 2013 19: 29
      You're right, Uncle. plus for you. the article states that "in the medium term, we may witness migrant riots. They will be used by Russia's enemies in the East and West as a way to put pressure on the political leadership." Only in the West they seem to have forgotten that Russian riots are much harsher and more merciless than some migrants. They tolerate it there - the Russians will not tolerate it. Where it comes from is patience.
      1. DeerIvanovich
        +1
        5 January 2013 21: 52
        http://letters.kremlin.ru/
        please, instead of loud speeches, flood the presidential reception with appeals... there are so many of you here, call your friends, flood the Kremlin website with a stream of appeals, maybe then it will respond, the rest is all empty talk!!!
  76. 0
    5 January 2013 20: 17
    Denzel13,
    It’s just that you need to read the nations before you mess things up with your rifles.
    1. Ingvald_Bueny
      0
      6 January 2013 14: 34
      You are a pacifist, that’s good...go to Iraq and stop a column of American tanks there, prove to the “Rangers” that picking up assault rifles is bad. Then report the results to commenters. And this will be better proof of the sincerity of your intentions.
  77. DeerIvanovich
    +2
    5 January 2013 21: 54
    People, instead of ranting, would have long ago collected signatures in an organized manner regarding a complete ban on immigration if the immigrant is not a bearer of Russian culture!
    The authorities are obliged to react when collecting at least, if I'm not mistaken, 100000 signatures!!!
    Another thing is that few of you will want to sign up... They will be afraid, I don’t even know what, but they will be afraid, apparently echoes of the NKVD

    http://letters.kremlin.ru/
    please, instead of loud speeches, flood the presidential reception with appeals... there are so many of you here, call your friends, flood the Kremlin website with a stream of appeals, maybe then it will respond, the rest is all empty talk!!!

    http://letters.kremlin.ru/
    please, instead of loud speeches, flood the presidential reception with appeals... there are so many of you here, call your friends, flood the Kremlin website with a stream of appeals, maybe then it will respond, the rest is all empty talk!!!

    I'm sorry, I posted two identical messages, the first one was in the wrong steppe, I missed
    1. +2
      7 January 2013 20: 45
      And here Putin called fighters against ILLEGAL immigration extremists!
  78. Etna
    +1
    7 January 2013 12: 42
    FINE?!!
    Police officers are checking information about the beating of an 11-year-old boy by a janitor near a school in the south-west of Moscow, the press service of the capital's Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs told RIA Novosti.

    The day before, the police received information from a medical facility that a schoolboy born in 2001 had been taken to the hospital with a closed jaw fracture and a concussion. The child said that on Sunday evening (yesterday, that is, right before Christmas) near the school on Izyumskaya Street he beat up by an Asian janitor, said the agency's interlocutor.
    Is this the beginning of the end?
    1. nic
      nic
      0
      11 January 2013 16: 30
      The boy has already been called a skinhead killer.
      The following stood up for the janitor, an illegal migrant worker who had been working without registration for two years:
      Cops
      Federal media
      Trolls of all stripes
      Puchkov-Goblin
      Difficult lawyer
      The victim's mother was probably attacked by the cops and took the statement.
      It will get worse, it won't get better for sure.

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