“France will eventually develop its own fighter”: the Spanish press is unhappy with the work on the Rafale Standard 5 project

The European defense industry is not able to consolidate despite the fact that it is being pressed from all sides by the American military-industrial complex. So, the program for creating "tank future" is stalled due to Germany's desire to develop Leopard 2; The FCAS advanced fighter project faces similar problems.

As indicated in the Spanish publication Infodefensa, the new French defense plan for the period 2024-2030 provides for funding work on a new version of the Rafale Standard 5 fighter. At the same time, the promising FCAS aircraft should replace the currently in service Eurofighter aircraft in Germany and Spain by about 2040 and Rafale in France.

Paris's goal is that with its own Rafale F5 fighter it will have capabilities very similar to those provided in FCAS, but 10 years earlier and at a lower cost, without having to share with anyone intellectual property or industrial competencies

- says the publication.

Rafale Standard 5 provides for the transition to new equipment and weapons, with the help of which the aircraft will be fully connected with the environment and its dominance in the air. In particular, a new radar with AFAR and the Spectra NG defense system will be installed, as well as combat weapons, including AS4NG nuclear missiles; Mica NG air-to-air missiles; air-to-surface Hammer.

The aircraft will receive new capabilities similar to the FCAS program: remote control of the aircraft, electronic air defense suppression capabilities, the use of Neuron UAVs as drone support

We can expect France to eventually develop its own fighter jet

- the publication believes, expressing dissatisfaction with the unilateral actions of Paris.

Moreover, there is already a similar precedent. In 1983, a joint program to create the Eurofighter began with the participation of France, Germany, Britain, Italy and Spain. But various disagreements, mainly caused by France's need to have a ship version, pushed Paris to abandon the project in 1985 and develop the current Rafale.

Another major obstacle to the implementation of FCAS is Germany's restrictive export policy, which has raised suspicions in France, which is freer to sell its military equipment abroad, which could lead to disagreements in the future.

- noted in the publication.

Comments

[Orange Bigg]

The French are great. They do everything themselves. They know the value of all these alliances.

[Bingo]

Well, well... The French have done quite a lot. Leclercs, AMXs... Or remember the same Kleron, the clumsiest thing about him from the rifle is probably only that the Britos from the FN FAL have screwed up. The desire to produce everything for your army yourself is commendable and understandable. but it is precisely in paddling pools that this invariably leads to the appearance of hybrids of a snake and a hedgehog) Like the Eurocopter Tiger)))

[Orange Bigg]

Don’t find fault. France is the strongest country in Europe, including in technical terms. Why didn’t you like the Eurocopter Tiger?

[Doccor18]

Quote from Orange Bigg

plan. Why didn’t you like the Eurocopter Tiger?

So the French did not design it alone, but together with the Germans...

[Bingo]

You ask the Australians why they didn’t like it))) How many years have they been trying to put it into service? And how did it end? Yeah, that's not even a joke
https://afirsov.livejournal.com/477228.html

[Orange Bigg]

Don’t find fault. France is the strongest country in Europe, including in technical terms. Why didn’t you like the Eurocopter Tiger? Its Triumphant, Suffren and Scorpen class submarines, its M-51 ICBMs, its SCALP-EG, Rafale, Le Clercs, air defense missiles and other things.

[bayard]

Quote from Orange Bigg

their M-51 ICBMs

For a long time, things with them were stalled. And I even know who helped them with this.

[Alex777]

Quote: bayard

For a long time, things with them were stalled...

To skid and then finish it is not a failure.
Failure is not doing anything because of frustration.

[bayard]

Quote: Alex777

To skid and then finish it is not a failure.

The director of the 55th Chemical Plant (Pavlograd) established relations with the French during the Soviet Union. When he retired, he took with him the TT recipe developed by the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering, which he produced for the ICBM “Molodets” (and “Typhoon”, which was for the “Sharks”), and went to France. And a few years later the French launched a solid-fuel ICBM program... and everyone knew why.
He also did not forget his native factory - he got an order from the French for paint to paint the Eiffel Tower. Made, sent, painted. And PCP has since produced paint under the name “Ship” with the Eiffel Tower on the label. Like a memory of a good order.
And the French in the military-industrial complex are, of course, great, almost the entire range of weapons of their own design and production. From de Gaulle the rule is to do everything yourself.

[voyaka uh]

What are they doing well?
The same fuselage, with the same non-retractable refueling stick. Non-stealth.
External weapon hangers.
The Chinese are already mass-producing two fifth-generation stealth vehicles.
And the French are stuck in modernizing the fourth.

[bayard]

Quote: voyaka uh

What are they doing well?
The same fuselage, with the same non-retractable refueling stick. Non-stealth.
External weapon hangers.

Or maybe they have forgotten about the conventions of generations and the American look of "stealth" ... and are just making a good plane? Moreover, seeing the pan-European discord, the risks and lack of independence of the EU, they simply did not dare to participate in the “hodgepodge”? It is more accurate for ourselves. Especially when you know and can do it.

[Vadim S]

Europe is well united and united only in words, but in reality, no matter what happens, it immediately stands up for itself! Although this is correct, one’s own is always closest in the end.

[Maxim G]

Powerful article

In particular, a new radar with AFAR and the Spectra NG defense system will be installed, as well as combat weapons, including AS4NG nuclear missiles; Mica NG air-to-air missiles; air-to-surface Hammer.

Hammer is not a rocket, but a bomb.

[Doccor18]

Paris's goal is that with its own Rafale F5 fighter it will have capabilities very similar to those provided in FCAS, but 10 years earlier...

Which is very reasonable. I don’t believe at all in all these pan-European projects like FCAS, just like in the British Tempest...

[Arkadich]

With the airplane, the story of the general tank seems to be repeating itself. There is too much incompatibility of wants, desires and possibilities. In words a family of European nations, but in reality a small family.

[Wolfskin1993]

The French have all their equipment through the anus, not like people have rifling in the other direction, for example. Anyone familiar with the French automobile industry knows firsthand. So far it's still going well. And everything will break! Tryndets!

[Vadim S]

It’s great, we’ve been driving it for many years and not just one model! And if you buy second-hand garbage, then of course everything will break and then complaints will pour in everywhere, but it turns out that the problem is the availability of money.

[Wolfskin1993]

TA-dah! We are all poor people. We are, in fact, talking about the peculiarities of French technology. And the fact that they have a shooter with a reverse twist.

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Arkadich

With the airplane, the story of the general tank seems to be repeating itself. There is too much incompatibility of wants, desires and possibilities. In words a family of European nations, but in reality a small family.

This is a communal, communal apartment...

[rocket757]

The European defense industry is not able to consolidate despite the fact that it is being pressed from all sides by the American military-industrial complex.

. But who will let them do their own thing, the minke whales need to push their own way everywhere. Why do they need competitors?

[TermNachTer]

And what’s new here?))) the united gayropa always started doing everything together, and then scattered, each to their own booths)))) here are the frigates “horizon” and “eurofighter” and much more)))

[nordscout]

In an atmosphere of international military hysteria and economic psychosis, the most correct decision is to rely on one’s own brains and economy in matters of creating weapons and military equipment... France, for all its ease of morals and liberal views on life, is very serious in matters creation of aircraft and nuclear development... The school of designing and creating aircraft is one of the best in the world. And their decision to create their own fighter is, in time, supposed to be a “pain” for the domestic aviation and missile design schools and industry as a whole... The French “strong point” in aircraft construction is aerodynamics, avionics and on-board weapons control systems, “lighting” of the battlefield , both in the air and on the ground, creating network-centric, noise-proof aviation systems. We must prepare to meet the French “novik”....