Protesters in Yerevan chant “Nikol is a traitor,” blaming the Armenian Prime Minister for what is happening in Karabakh

The situation in Nagorno-Karabakh continues to develop rapidly.

Let us recall that today, September 19, the Azerbaijani authorities announced the start of a local anti-terrorist operation in Karabakh, aimed at restoring the constitutional order of the country in the region and the withdrawal of units of the Armenian Armed Forces from the Karabakh economic region. At the same time, Baku stated that the targets for the Azerbaijani army are exclusively the positions of the Armenian Armed Forces, and not peaceful objects.

Now there are gunshots and explosions in the region. The wounded are already being admitted to hospitals in Stepanakert.

In turn, the Yerevan authorities also made a number of statements. In particular, the Armenian Ministry of Defense reported a relatively calm situation on the borders and the absence of Armenian military personnel on the territory of Karabakh.

At the same time, the statements of Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan attract special attention. The latter emphasized that the Armenian Armed Forces will not fight the Azerbaijani army for Karabakh. At the same time, already during the Armenian Security Council, he called on Russian peacekeepers and the UN Security Council to take measures to stop Azerbaijan’s aggression.

It is worth noting that such an “uncertain” position of the head of government has already caused a negative reaction among his fellow citizens.

Hundreds of protesters have already gathered in Yerevan's government square.

People blame Pashinyan for what is happening now in Karabakh and demand that he protect the Armenians living in the region.

Nikol is a traitor

- protesters chant.

Comments

[Azerbaijan2023]

The author of the article does not say enough.
Firstly. How can he declare war when the whole world, including him, recognized Karabakh as Azerbaijan?
Secondly, what awaits him if he says that Armenia will intervene in this conflict? And this is a direct declaration of war on Azerbaijan. Will Armenia survive? Don't think!
If he officially enters the war, all his fables about the existence of a certain people of Artsakh and all that will be equated to zero and all international diplomacy will devour him. He simply dreams of getting rid of the ballast of Karabakh. Karabakh is a ballast for Armenians. If they want development and a quiet life, they must make peace with their neighbors and live in peace. Armenians simply have no other option. I don't think this special operation will last for weeks. In 1 day they killed and destroyed equipment and soldiers and much more. Fools. We had to agree to peace.

[Msi]

People blame Pashinyan for what is happening now in Karabakh and demand that he protect the Armenians living in the region.

Nikol is a traitor

More active, comrades, more active... we need to go to seize administrative buildings. And Pashinyan’s removal from power...

[Azerbaijan2023]

Quote from Msi

More active, comrades, more active... we need to go to seize administrative buildings. And Pashinyan’s removal from power...

Why didn’t the Russian side propose this when Pashinyan’s predecessor Serzh Sargsyan created 12 US biological laboratories, when they built an embassy for the US for 2000 people, when they were in all NATO gatherings. Why were they silent then and now everyone considers this Pasha a traitor? How can he declare war on Azerbaijan? If he announces, the CSTO will not help. There are conditions under what circumstances the CSTO will save Armenia. He always says we have nothing to do with Karabakh, the people of Artsakh live there. We still don’t understand what kind of people they are, we see one thing, they all have Armenian passports. Well, he cannot declare war on Azerbaijan and no one from Armenia can. They will lose Armenia.

[Incvizitor]

The fact is that they didn’t prepare for this war, even after that defeat, there was practically nothing in modern arsenal, all the crap of the 70s.

[krot]

Pashinyan and his team are crazy... They want Russia and the CSTO to fight for the Armenians, and the Armenians will rest on their laurels!

[Azerbaijan2023]

Quote: Incvizitor

The fact is that they didn’t prepare for this war, even after that defeat there was practically nothing in modern service,

I agree with you. But, you see, even if they get ready, it won’t help them. I can name a lot of reasons.

[Pavel73]

Azerbaijan, I live in Russia in the Urals, and I don’t have a clear idea of ​​the situation in Nagorno-Karabakh and its history. As far as I remember, Nagorno-Karabakh has been the territory of Azerbaijan since Soviet times, but there are Armenian settlements on it, right? And Armenia, shortly before the collapse of the USSR, tried to annex this territory by military means?

[Azerbaijan2023]

Quote: Pavel73

As far as I remember, Nagorno-Karabakh has been the territory of Azerbaijan since Soviet times, but there are Armenian settlements on it, right?

Right. And before the Soviet Union, it was in the hands of the Azerbaijani khans. Founder of the Karabakh Khanate Panah Ali Khan. I personally know his descendants. And if the Armenians say that Karabakh is Artsakh, then yes, the founder of the Principality of Artsakh in the 12th century is HASAN JALAL. Not Ashot not Vazgen but Hasan Jalal. The Armenians will not tell you about this. Hasan Jalal, an Albanian prince, received the status of MELIKA. Melik is a Muslim title like PRINCE. Or have Armenians had problems with Turkic names since the 12th century?

Quote: Pavel73

but there are Armenian settlements on it, right?

YES! Right. This is the same as the Armenians living in your Krasnodar and Stavropol regions and in no small numbers. This doesn’t mean that this is their land that is inhabited? Do you agree? There are many of them in Marseille, so what should Marseille give them now? Just like California. Yes, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they decided to chop off land and took advantage of the turmoil in the country.

Quote: Pavel73

tried to annex this territory by military means?

Absolutely right Paul. Back in 87-88, they started pogroms against Azerbaijanis in Kafan, those Azerbaijanis were resettled in Sumgayit. And then you know what happened.

[Pavel73]

Okay, but is some kind of compromise possible? Let’s say that part of Nagorno-Karabakh, where the majority of the population is Armenians, goes to Armenia, where the majority are Azerbaijanis, remains part of Azerbaijan. And Armenia, in exchange for this territory, provides Azerbaijan with a land corridor along the Iranian border to Nakhichevan, for the construction of a road and railway that will connect Nakhichevan with the rest of Azerbaijan. And the conflict ends forever. Is this option possible?

[would]

Not really. Karabakh was part of the Azerbaijan SSR, but as an autonomy - the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region.

Under the USSR, the Armenian SSR repeatedly tried to annex Karabakh, but while the Soviet government was strong and the Russians were in power, the conflict was frozen. As far as I remember, it came to the point that Karabakh was transferred to the subordination of officials from the RSFSR.

At the same time, the Azerbaijan SSR pursued a policy of resettling Azerbaijanis in Karabakh so that Armenians would cease to be the main nationality of the region.

The USSR began to fall apart, the Russians were no longer in power, and bloody interethnic clashes began, including outside Karabakh. And when it finally collapsed and the former republics became independent, their independent armed forces began to fight each other. And not just to fight, but to carry out a massacre. Well, Karabakh as an autonomy made a decision (or rather, this decision was made by the authorities of Karabakh) to secede from the Azerbaijan SSR and this decision is no more or less justified than the decision of the Azerbaijan SSR to secede from the USSR.

That is, we can talk about territorial integrity only in the context of the Azerbaijan SSR, which was part of the USSR. Karabakh has never been part of modern sovereign Azerbaijan or modern sovereign Armenia.

In general, a classic bloody interethnic conflict in the post-Soviet space.
The parties could not and cannot reach an agreement in a civilized manner, much less live in peace. No compromise is possible. If the parties could agree, there would be no ethnic cleansing, thousands of refugees on both sides, videos of beheadings, and quite possibly the Karabakh conflict in general.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

A stupid situation is unfolding. Personally, I have friends both Armenians and Azerbaijanis. Beautiful people! When will they finally divide this Karabakh?!(

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

No need to squeak too much.
No need to download extra ambition.
If both Azerbaijan and Armenia joined the “expanded” (like the USSR) Russian Federation, then the civil strife would end.

[UAZ 452]

But didn’t the conflict begin back when the USSR existed? Yes, it’s already on its way out, but still.

[Lev_Russia]

I don't think this special operation will last for weeks.

Russia will intervene only if the war spreads to the territory of Armenia (CSTO treaty)... The Americans will never get involved in this conflict and will not join the Armenians... Fight with Turkey, which protects Azerbaijan and is a member of NATO (with the 2nd in terms of strength of the NATO army), they are completely out of their hands... It was necessary to give Nagorno-Karabakh to Russia and there would be no conflict, but I think this option would not suit both sides... The current war may not last long, but the conflict itself can last for decades... And with varying success, since de jure Nagorno-Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan, but de facto, it’s mostly Armenians who live there who would like to live in Armenia... At least that’s how it used to be... Somehow all this reminds me of Crimean history...

[UAZ 452]

It was necessary to give Nagorno-Karabakh to Russia and there would be no conflict, but I think this option would not suit both sides...

Why does Russia need it? Does our country lack territory? With a decreasing population?! And to take away along with the Armenian population - Are you missing Armenians in Moscow and the Krasnodar Territory? Do you really need more?
No, take Karabakh for yourself, go there and live, and don’t impose it on Russia.

[knn54]

I am sure that the OVERWHELMING majority of the protesters are residents of Karabakh and their relatives.

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, the rest of Armenia seems to be sneezing. How their authorities are sneezing about the Karabakh problem. However, this is karma. The people deserve their ruler

[tlauicol]

Don’t they flock to the military registration and enlistment office?

[Thrifty]

Tlauikol - they are breaking in to drive the military commissar and military registration and enlistment office employees out to war!

[vlad svargin_2]

Nikol is a traitor

In practice, Pashinyan always “looks to the west” and carries out the will of “his colleagues”; the results of this policy are now happening in Nagorno-Karabakh through his fault. The people are right!

[aleks700]

First, he surrendered Karabakh to Azerbaijan, and then it turns out that the Russians are to blame. And by the way. Without Karabakh, the CSTO will be unnecessary.

[Thrifty]

The time for talking has passed; when the guns speak, the muses are silent, as they used to say. Now there are only two options - war to the end, or leave Karabakh to the Armenians...

[Insait]

Quote: Thrifty

The time for talking has passed; when the guns speak, the muses are silent, as they used to say. Now there are only two options - war to the end, or leave Karabakh to the Armenians...

It’s getting more complicated here, I think..They want to drag Russia into a conflict with Azerbaijan and push us out of Armenia..
I sense another historical massacre is being prepared there... Pashinyan is acting according to the Anglo-Saxon plan! Understanding that Russia will not stand aside when they start slaughtering and blowing up churches. And in Russia they can provoke a massacre between ethnic diasporas (of which we have many)
It didn’t work out for the Anglo-Saxons in Ukraine, now there’s a new problem...
This little pig Pashinyan needs to be kicked out... Otherwise there will be big bloodshed!

[Msi]

This little pig Pashinyan needs to be kicked out... Otherwise there will be big bloodshed!

That's right. Welcome back.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Insait

This little pig Pashinyan needs to be kicked out... Otherwise there will be big bloodshed!

All Sorosyonks need to be driven out.
From everywhere.

[UAZ 452]

Do you think they are in the Kremlin too? It's possible.

[digger]

The local Armenian natives are the same naive idiots as the former Ukrainians who today have turned into native natives. they are trying to express something......it's all useless. They have long been under the heel and strict control of the United States. So let them prepare to the last Armenian in the name of the fight against Russia. Have you noticed that aggression and war come from the Azeris...and contrary to common sense and reason, all of Armenia is throwing evil and hatred at the Russians and Russia anyway? Where's the common sense? He's gone. They have long been zombified by total false propaganda and hatred of Russia and are ready for the next slaughter cattle

[Apis1962]

They will dump everything from Armenia, whoever is richer, to the USA and France. Well, the rest will rush to us, to Russia.

[Factor]

In fact, people will be lured into the EU and NATO with lace panties, as they did with the Ukrainians in Kyiv.

Analysis of events allows us to assume two options for the development of the situation, which can be called “fast” and “medium term”. Both forecasts may turn out to be elements of a single strategy.

With the rapid development of events, Azerbaijan takes control of Artsakh by force, and this prospect is quite realistic: the Armenian army has already been defeated during the Second Karabakh War (September-November 2020), now there is demotivation and demoralization of the Armenian military due to the behavior of the leadership of the republic , which simply does not want to confront Azerbaijan. In addition, Armenia may not have enough of its own forces.

The geopolitical meaning of what is happening is the desire of interested political groups to create the Zangezur transport corridor, which will connect Azerbaijan with Turkey in order to open Ankara access to the Caspian Sea and further to the countries of Central Asia. The implementation of this scenario is possible after September 20, when the Armenian-American exercises end.

The “medium-term” option involves achieving, under the threat of force, the goals of Azerbaijan (and Turkey behind it) through diplomatic means. The Armenian authorities are ready to surrender Nagorno-Karabakh; in fact, they have already done so. The emergence of the Zangezur corridor also looks quite likely.

Everything will happen under the leadership of the EU and the United States, the dispute will come down to a bargain between Washington and Ankara - taking into account such a useful thing for the United States as the ousting of Russia from Armenia. The example of Finland showed that Armenia can be hastily accepted into NATO. Or, at least, they will launch the mechanism of this acceptance. The presence of the Zangezur corridor provides extensive opportunities for the implementation of various infrastructure projects related to the transfer of goods through Kazakhstan, the Caspian Sea, the mentioned corridor to Turkey and beyond.
The construction of pipelines “bypassing Russia” looks possible; Kazakhstan’s interest in the Russian Federation, which has a logistics alternative, is decreasing.

Armenia is in the middle of an electoral cycle, with the next parliamentary and prime ministerial elections scheduled for 2026. The figure of Pashinyan in Armenia has a high anti-rating. Patriotic circles in Armenia, for obvious reasons, do not like the prospect of losing another part of the territory and a much larger share of sovereignty.
Thanks to the efforts of Nikol Pashinyan, this part of Armenian society is largely disorganized, although it has the necessary potential to initiate early government elections.
The Armenian diaspora in Russia is large, this creates space for “people's diplomacy.” Armenian business is extremely interested in working with Russia, and in order to maintain profits, these businessmen will act on the side of common interests.

It is possible that there are only a few months (or weeks) left until external forces seize the initiative in Armenia.
This is fraught with instability in the South Caucasus, the intensification of anti-Russian logistics and the birth of a large tangle of contradictions that will take decades to unravel.

[Bad_gr]

At the same time, the statements of Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan attract special attention. The latter emphasized that The Armenian Armed Forces will not fight the Azerbaijani army for Karabakh. At the same time, already during the Security Council of Armenia, he called on Russian peacekeepers and the UN Security Council to take measures to stop Azerbaijan’s aggression.
It is worth noting that such an “uncertain” position of the head of government has already caused a negative reaction among his fellow citizens.

A very definite position: Armenians should not fight, Russians should die for their interests. This is called "raking in the heat with someone else's hands."

[K-50]

Displacement of residents of another nationality from their territory of residence by military means is ethnic genocide.
For some reason, we can’t hear any calls to the UN for a stop, or the “demands” of other states, everything is quiet, silent and bloody.

[Insait]

Quote: K-50

For some reason we haven’t heard any calls at the UN for a stop, or “demands” from other states, everything is quiet, silent and bloody

The UN has long been a chicken coop of the Anglo-Saxons..!
It will be difficult for Russia..Oh, Armenians, how you were scammed!

[Rockerman]

This is social engineering, the Anglo-Saxons master it at the highest level. It worked for the Ukrainians, and the Anglo-Saxons are known for replicating the technology that worked. Why create extra entities?

[Born]

Ha, this is when it is beneficial for the West, otherwise it is a counter-terrorist operation)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and they only now realized that Pashinyan sold them?!!!!

[Born]

Apparently, Azerbaijan received some guarantees from Turkey that Russia would not interfere. This is exactly what Erdogan came for recently. What he promised in return we will never know.

[Bingo]

I don’t really like this group, but now it seems to be on topic:

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote from Bingo

I don't really like this group

It's hard not to agree.

[rocket757]

And what? We got ready, and then what?
They themselves chose this, gay Europeans, the democratic path and minke whales as their main friends...

[alystan]

He ran away from sin away to the states. I wouldn't be surprised if he was already warned about what was coming...

[guest]

Nikol is a traitor

Well, finally, at least some in Armenia dared to voice the truth.