Western press: Russia is using Ukrainian BMP-1U Shkval captured in Georgia

Footage has been published online showing Ukrainian-made BMP-1U Shkval in service with Russian units.

As indicated in the Army Recognition publication, this model was created by the Ukrainian military-industrial complex in the 2000s and is distinguished by the use of the KBA-105 Shkval combat module. It is equipped with a 30 mm automatic cannon 2A72 (or Ukrainian ZTM-1) with 360 rounds of ammunition, a 7,62 mm PKT machine gun (or its Ukrainian equivalent KT-7,62) with 2500 rounds and a 30 mm AG-17 (or Ukrainian KB-117) with 116 grenades. There are also two launchers for the Konkurs ATGM.

Due to the large weight of the module (1300 kg with additional ammunition) and the space it takes up inside the vehicle, the capacity of the BMP-1U was reduced from 8 to 6 people.

As noted in the publication, during the military confrontation with Georgia in August 2008, the Russian army captured as trophies up to 14 BMP-1U Shkval out of 15 transferred by Kiev to Tbilisi.

For our part, we note: it is quite possible that some samples of this model, produced after 2014 for the needs of the Ukrainian army, became trophies of the Russian troops after the start of the special operation, along with a lot of other equipment available in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

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[rocket757]

SOVIET technology, there is nothing more to discuss there...

[Insait]

Quote: rocket757

SOVIET technology, there is nothing more to discuss there...

Simple, reliable and powerful!!!
But Victor would also like to add that Russia not only uses the trophies of the Ukronatsik, but also shares them with its “partners”
They will soon emerge in different parts of the anti-Anglo-Saxon world

[rocket757]

Welcome
Soviet technology exists in many places and, in capable hands, can outdo Western prodigies one or two times.
Reliability, simplicity, efficiency, in most cases this is exactly what you need!
Russian technology, in many ways, is a continuation of the traditions laid down by the Soviet engineering and military school.
The only way!

[Insait]

Quote: rocket757

Welcome
Soviet technology exists in many places and, in capable hands, can outdo Western prodigies one or two times.
Reliability, simplicity, efficiency, in most cases this is exactly what you need!
Russian technology, in many ways, is a continuation of the traditions laid down by the Soviet engineering and military school.
The only way!

Thanks for the comment Victor! ONLY THIS.. SIMPLICITY, RELIABILITY, FIREPOWER! Tested in combat.
Entire generations of engineers and designers worked on this.. A low bow to them and thanks for what we still use!
They did not work for money and rewards, they worked for the country and the protection of the state (already former, but the essence remained)

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Insait

They did not work for money and rewards, they worked for the country and the protection of the state (already former, but the essence remained)

You mean not for money? For workdays or something?

[Al manah]

Under the leadership of Beria and on the personal instructions of Stalin, they were chained to drawing boards and machines, starved and beaten with rubber batons by the evil NKVD men. Didn't you know about this? This is a fact widely known in certain circles, I’m sure. Look, the Chukhons and banderlokhs are aware, they even write this in their textbooks.

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Al Manah

Under the leadership of Beria and on the personal instructions of Stalin, they were chained to drawing boards and machines, starved and beaten with rubber batons by the evil NKVD men. Didn't you know about this? This is a fact widely known in certain circles, I’m sure. Look, the Chukhons and banderlokhs are aware, they even write this in their textbooks.

There is also the other side of this coin - naive dreamers who believe that Soviet people are all sexless cherubs feeding on the holy spirit, with burning eyes and hearts. “The Native Country would live, and there would be no other worries”! Well, like: “We don’t need the sun - the party is shining for us! We don’t need bread - give us work.” Until the evil railway liberals came and ruined everything...
There is a subtype of such fabulous...(c), crystal bakers - everything is the same, only they project onto pre-revolutionary Russia, equally pastoral only with Orthodoxy, autocracy and nationality! Until the evil railway Bolsheviks came and ruined everything...
And all this contradicts the foundations of Marxism - about BASIS and SUPERSTRUCTURE. Economics is at the heart of EVERYTHING! The entire historical process proceeds strictly for economic reasons. States arise and are destroyed, wars are won and lost only through them. And people, at all times, in all countries and under all regimes, engage in creative work for the same reasons - to increase their material well-being! Due to salaries, bonuses, awards, social status and the like!

A steady increase in the well-being of workers is the law of development of a socialist society. The possibility of a constant increase in the living standards of the masses follows from the very nature of socialism. Unlike capitalism, socialism is unthinkable without the state’s daily concern for the well-being of the people. The continuous rise in the material and cultural level of the working people is ensured by the Soviet social and state system, socialist ownership of the means of production, the absence of exploitation, economic crises and unemployment. 1951 Truth No. 131

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Al Manah

they were chained to drawing boards and machines, starved and beaten with rubber truncheons

One former prisoner of such an aviation “sharashka” wrote in his memoirs that towards the end of the war, employees of their design bureau were released from prison.
What has changed? Almost nothing - they worked exactly the same without days off, with breaks for food and sleep. We spent the night in the design bureau, going home would only waste time.
The only thing is that the food has gotten worse...

[AllX_VahhaB]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

One former prisoner of such an aviation "sharashka" wrote in his memoirs

Please show the proofs, it’s very interesting to read! Otherwise, I suspect that you don’t remember who wrote this, since you read these “memoirs” in Ogonyok magazine in the late 80s...

[AllX_VahhaB]

Apparently, indeed in the magazine "Ogonyok" in the late 80s. Or from Solzhenitsyn?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

And where is the simplicity? Simplicity and primitivism is the turret of the BTR-60/70/80 and BRDM-2, even without a hatch for evacuating the machine gunner. The BMP-1 has a turret with a drive. This is truly a fighting machine. But, I would not sing the praises of her and her designers. The disadvantages there are “a carriage and a small cart”. Difficulties starting the engine, the small elevation angle of the gun barrel does not allow for anti-aircraft and mounted fire, a limited range of ammunition and its tendency to detonate, rocking of the vehicle due to the overweight nose, poor design of the upper hatches of the troop compartment without the possibility of driving behind them, and so on ...
I would put the designers of the armored personnel carrier turret on trial for the shape of the turret alone, but I would flog the designers of the BMP-1 for the small angle of elevation of the barrel.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

but the designers of the BMP-1 were flogged for the small angle of elevation of the barrel.

Why does the 2A28 smoothbore gun need a large elevation angle? Well, God forgive me, this is the same “boot”.
He has only the OG-15 feathered fragmentation grenade against infantry. Which is better called a mine, because it does not have a marching charge, only a propelling charge. The initial speed of this miracle is 300 m/s. The gunner on large UVNs gets tired of calculating corrections.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

The main disadvantage of the BMP-1 when it was part of the 40th OKSVA Army was precisely the low elevation angle of the barrel. The vehicle turned out to be completely unsuited for operations in the mountains, just as it was not adapted, for the same reason, for battles in urban conditions.
And you probably have a poor understanding of the effect of cumulative ammunition. The accompanying high-explosive effect there is not at all weak, and even if it hits the wall of a building, it will not seem a little to those inside behind the wall. Metal splashes from a cumulative jet, whether in a tank or in a residential building, have almost the same effect. That is, direct fire with cumulative ammunition can be used against infantry, although with less efficiency and in certain conditions.
And as for calculating the amendments, the fears are in vain; they will have to do the calculations. Fortunately, the charge is constant, unchanging, the tables will be five to ten times simpler than mortar and howitzer ones.
300 m/s is the usual mortar characteristic, that is, with semi-direct fire it’s quite possible to hit a kilometer and a half.
And I also find the choice of a gun based on the 73-mm SPG-9 not entirely successful; it would have been better to take the B-10 recoilless rifle as a basis, where an 82-mm mine was used as ammunition, including in a cumulative version. Even if this would require a more powerful harness in the form of recoil devices.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

The main disadvantage of the BMP-1 when it was part of the 40th OKSVA Army was precisely the low elevation angle of the barrel. The vehicle turned out to be completely unsuited for operations in the mountains, just as it was not adapted, for the same reason, for battles in urban conditions.

If you give the 2A28 a large elevation angle, this will not change the situation. Shooting and shooting are two different things. ©

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

And as for calculating the amendments, the fears are in vain; they will have to do the calculations. Fortunately, the charge is constant, unchanging, the tables will be five to ten times simpler than mortar and howitzer ones.

That is, you are proposing to train infantry fighting vehicle crews on an artillery course as well?

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

300 m/s is the usual mortar characteristic, that is, with semi-direct fire it’s quite possible to hit a kilometer and a half.

To mortar men - yes.
But you have an ordinary tanker, who, of all the artillery strays, has only one sight. I believe that the shooting will be carried out in the “aiming at gaps” mode, at an appropriate pace. And the ever-changing wind in the mountains, unfurling a slow feathered grenade, will add to the thrill.

BMP is an armored vehicle. Not RAV. And in BTV they work plus or minus on direct fire. Therefore, there is no point in perverting shooting from LNG with large air-launchers at direct aiming and adjusting for gaps. We must act as in real life: let the infantry tracks fire bullets with an initial speed of over 900 m/s and with high explosive forces. And in order to compensate for the low power of a single projectile (since the caliber will have to be reduced so that the mechanics of the infantry fighting vehicle do not fall apart from the first shot) - make the gun automatic. And the crew won’t have a headache with calculations, guidance and adjustments - And sprinkle it, Alyoshenka, with chalk ©.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Well, yes, the wind in the mountains is the main reason to consider 15 degrees a masterpiece. vertical guidance. Should this be taken seriously as an argument?
Will shooting be carried out at explosions?
So yes, the artillery fires with adjustments for gaps!
You have never had to fire from an infantry fighting vehicle. This is very noticeable in the absurdity of the statements. The wind correction is taken into account even when firing from the BMP-2, where the projectile is also blown away by the wind. In the BMP-1, a cumulative grenade accelerates to twice its initial speed and can also be fired at mountains, just like in the city. And you need to be able to shoot in the city at the upper floors, and if necessary point-blank upward. An example of an implementation is the ability to fire the BMP-3 from a 100 mm cannon with a large elevation angle.
The wind correction is kept in mind and there is nothing difficult in taking it into account. There is also nothing difficult about keeping the firing range tables in your head at a constant charge.
Can you read? The charge is constant, the shooting table is simple!
The gunner calculates in his head “one-two” all the corrections for speed, wind, distance and size of the target. If this is not a gunner from a tank biathlon, some people there manage to miss a static target.
And in real life, we have, as the most successful vehicle, the BMP-3 with a 100 mm cannon, and not just a 30 mm automatic one.
The lack of an automatic cannon on the BMP-1 can be compensated for by installing an automatic grenade launcher, which is what they did in reality.

[knn54]

By the way, with the ZTM-1/ZTM-2 automatic cannon, which has a reinforcing casing to increase stabilization, unlike the Soviet analogue 2A42, which “suffers” from barrel vibration.
Similar to the Russian BMP-1AM "Basurmanin".
You can’t get more out of the BMP-1 (there are plenty of them in warehouses both in Russia and Ukraine).

[Insait]

Quote: knn54

Similar to the Russian BMP-1AM "Basurmanin"

Our people know how to name weapons!!!!!
The mining system was called “Zemledelitsa” Ha ha ha .. The Ukronatsiks were clearly blown up with NATO armored vehicles ..

[Alexey RA]

Quote: knn54

By the way, with the ZTM-1/ZTM-2 automatic cannon, which has a reinforcing casing to increase stabilization, unlike the Soviet analogue 2A42, which “suffers” from barrel vibration.

ZTM-1 is an analogue of 2A72. And it suffers from vibration here too - in a single installation, without support on the 2A70.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

You are confusing something, the 2A42 automatic cannon does not suffer from barrel vibration, it has automatic operation based on gas exhaust.

[woker]

Dear, what is the swing of the barrel? learn the materiel and do not confuse two different guns, 2A72 and 2A42

[Escariot]

Quote: rocket757

SOVIET technology, there is nothing more to discuss there...

The chassis is Soviet, but the combat module is already made in Ukraine. And the gun itself is at least a 2a72 variant, but there are some changes.

[Thrifty]

They should have been given to our sabotage groups, and pixel camouflage should have been applied to them to make them more similar.

[Skobaristan]

Mmm what a fat sketch. A direct call to violate, albeit slightly illusory, rules of warfare. Because the convention on persons in the format or signs indicating the opposite side does not work. You can do anything with them.

[igorbrsv]

Frequencies 149.200, 449.200, 49.200, call sign Volga. For everyone who wants to surrender and remain alive to the soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces

[Nexcom]

I am responding to your message about the FSB and so on - no, I have nothing to hide. Absolutely. And there is no need to hide either.

[opposite28]

It is quite a common practice to use captured equipment. From Georgia with love however...

[Pavel57]

Any captured system will sooner or later face a need for spare parts.

[Skobaristan]

The base is one. The module is hardly anything supernatural.

[Insait]

Quote: Pavel57

Any captured system will sooner or later face a need for spare parts.

These are Soviet weapons, so there will be no problems..

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Even if the Martians had given us the equipment to destroy the Ukronazis, we had the right to use it for such a good cause.

[Insait]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

Even if the Martians had given us the equipment to destroy the Ukronazis, we had the right to use it for such a good cause.

There were also a bunch of Javelins captured, etc. And where will they emerge, that is the question? One was recorded in Mexico)))) There was info

[Escariot]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

Even if the Martians had given us the equipment to destroy the Ukronazis, we had the right to use it for such a good cause.

It's right, it's right, but why? Are we short of standard equipment? Or is standard equipment inferior in characteristics or technical condition to captured equipment?

[Sergey3]

So what about what he uses? From the point of view of common sense, this is exactly the type of equipment that should be put up for slaughter, so that the army does not have too many different modifications. And again equip it with the same type of equipment.

[Escariot]

Quote: Sergey3

So what about what he uses? From the point of view of common sense, this is exactly the type of equipment that should be put up for slaughter, so that the army does not have too many different modifications. And again equip it with the same type of equipment.

The fact is that any damage to this equipment makes it beyond repair. Of course, the chassis and engine compartment are similar to the BMP-1, but the combat module... It would be more logical to send the vehicles for modernization with the installation of Basurmanin, but apparently there’s no time for that.

[Alexey RA]

Quote from Escariot

Of course, the chassis and engine compartment are similar to the BMP-1, but the combat module...

This module was developed in the late 90s. At that time, the branches of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine and the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation had not yet diverged much from the trunk of the military-industrial complex of the USSR.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Why protect them? Let them now work for Tskhinvali!

[Tankman]

All 15 were captured. The speedometers show 150 km. was. They were loaded in Ardon, 3 pieces. They were immediately sent to Kubinka, the rest to BHRVT. They were made on the campaign in Lvov, the forms were stamped “Lvov Armored Repair Plant”.

[AdAstra]

Yes, even with the letter “Y”, it’s still the BMP-1 that’s hitting the shit. . .

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

But no! If there is a 30-mm cannon, and the volume of the troop compartment in the rear has been reduced to 6 seats, then this is already a BMP-2!

[oldman.]

There were 15 pieces, 3 of them, according to rumors, went to Kubinka. And now, after 15 (fifteen, Karl!) years in the West they think that these are actually former Georgians skating?!

[chingachguc]

How consumables will fit. And then to the museum.

[pettabyte]

It’s not quite as good as the BMP-2M, but it’s not like that.

[RusGr]

Well, everyone just keeps saying, “Soviet technology, Soviet technology”... What a backlog, it still travels and fights. So the continuity of production traditions, the use of the previous one, was and is. That the “three-line”, created under the tsars, was in service in the USSR before the collapse, that the “revolver”, that inch guns beat the fascists near Moscow in 41. Even the cavalry corps, all with sabers, drove the Germans. Apparently the cavalrymen also said, these are the tsarist times, they did checkers as they should... especially against tanks.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Cavalry with sabers did not attack tanks during the Great Patriotic War. The relative's grandfather, a Cossack, fought in the cavalry. They only moved on horseback, but fought dismounted.