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“Received critical damage”: photographs of the alleged submarine “Rostov-on-Don” are being discussed in the Western press

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“Received critical damage”: photographs of the alleged submarine “Rostov-on-Don” are being discussed in the Western press

The Western press is discussing photographs that allegedly show a diesel-electric submarine of the Russian fleet "Rostov-on-Don".


The submarine received critical damage

- stated in Navy Recognition.

As the publication says, the submarine received two hits during an attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The first was recorded by Western experts allegedly in the upper bow of the submarine based on satellite images. The second, allegedly, occurred on the starboard side of the ship, in the area behind the conning tower.

From the published photographs it is concluded that damage was caused to the torpedo and accommodation compartments. At the same time, as stated in the publication, the affected area is unclear: if the hatches between the compartments were open, then other rooms, including the battery room, could have been damaged.



In this regard, long-term repair work on the submarine is predicted, which will also have to be carried out at the Admiralty Shipyards, which were engaged in the construction of both this diesel-electric submarine and the entire Varshavyanka series. Based on this, a conclusion is made that Rostov-on-Don will be out of action until the end of the conflict.

"Rostov-on-Don" is a Project 636.3 submarine "Varshavyanka" with a displacement of 2300 tons on the surface and 3040 tons underwater. Its length is 76,2 meters.

The Russian military department has not yet confirmed the authenticity of the photographs.
Photos used:
Navy Recognition
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  1. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 19 September 2023 13: 02
    +15
    How come, we are silent again, what has arrived?
    Give me a photo of the whole boat with the latest issue of the newspaper!
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 19 September 2023 13: 10
      +22
      The site's Telegram channel contains photos of the damage to the submarine. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the boat was left on tenterhooks!
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Obi-Wan Kenobi
        Obi-Wan Kenobi 19 September 2023 13: 19
        +35
        So they will let her go on pins and needles.
        After such hits, you can forget about diving. After the fire, the properties of the metals from which the boat was made changed.
        It's easier and cheaper to make a new one than to restore this one.
        1. Saburov_Alexander53
          Saburov_Alexander53 19 September 2023 13: 46
          +9
          It's easier and cheaper to make a new one than to restore this one.
          You, my friend, are an expert at identifying stench by the tooth and sound by the eye. Even if two bow compartments are burned out, no one will let the boat go to pieces. You need to look at how many years it has been in service, and if it is more than 20 years, then it will be written off due to general wear and tear and the inappropriateness of extra restoration costs. And if not, then they will cut in two new compartments, which is not a problem for the manufacturer, but for this the boat must be transported to St. Petersburg, that’s where the “dog is buried”! This is impossible via inland waterways, and via the Bosporus around Europe it will not work now. This is what can cause a write-off, not damage and fire inside.
          The option is to make two compartments in St. Petersburg and transport them along the Belomor Canal and Volga-Don, and weld them on site. Let's see what the commission decides.
          1. Peter1First
            Peter1First 19 September 2023 14: 44
            +14
            While the war is going on in the conditions of our leaky air defense, it hardly makes sense to restore anything there, since there is a high probability of a second strike. The maximum is to carry out troubleshooting, somehow ensure buoyancy, cover the holes and take it out of the dock and into the parking lot until better times. It’s better not to mention the BDK Minsk at all - everything there is visible a mile away...
            1. bayard
              bayard 20 September 2023 11: 28
              0
              Quote from: Peter1First
              The maximum is to carry out troubleshooting, somehow ensure buoyancy, cover the holes and take it out of the dock and into the parking lot until better times.

              The dock really needs to be freed, but troubleshooting... it’s unlikely to show anything encouraging. Two holes in a small submarine + a fire, and with the impossibility of delivering it via inland waterways to St. Petersburg - only disposal. This is not even a surface ship, with which a storm can happen, this is a submarine with a diving depth of up to 300 m. Who would take such a risk?
              It can be patched up, pulled ashore and made into a teaching aid for a naval university. Or you can simply remove all the valuable equipment (it’s practically new, 7-8 years old, no more) and scrap it.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 20 September 2023 22: 40
                +1
                The cart says that the photo is fake.

                We are not experts.
                A comment was sent by a subscriber.
                There is no opportunity to check yet, we are busy with something else.

                Comment from a subscriber:
                a Ukrainian posted a photo of an allegedly destroyed Warsaw woman, blurring everything out
                The Admiralty shipyards identified this photo of a Warsaw ship from St. Petersburg by the overhead crane above the dock
                Damage caused by photoshop
                Superimposed with Photoshop, cut out somewhere
          2. Mitrich73
            Mitrich73 20 September 2023 06: 38
            +8
            Passing according to GDP is not only possible, but also does not present any great difficulties. The boat will be placed in a transport dock and transferred to St. Petersburg in 3-4 weeks. When Krasnoye Sormovo built the submarine, this is what they did.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 20 September 2023 18: 37
              -1
              Quote: Mitrich73
              Passing according to GDP is not only possible, but also does not present any great difficulties.

              Did you skip geography at school? In vain!
              Dnieper near Ukraine. We have no other waterway. There is the Danube, but it is not our GDP. There were projects, but they were expensive and never came to fruition:
              The creation of a shipping route connecting the Black and Baltic Seas has been talked about for several years now. There is a project financed by the European Union under the symbol E40, the Baltic-Black Sea Canal, worth 12 billion euros and a length of 2 thousand kilometers across the territories of Poland, Belarus and Ukraine. The route should pass through the Dnieper, Pripyat, then the canal to the Bug and Vistula. Something similar already existed in the XNUMXth century, called the Royal Canal. At that time it was the only water artery on the territory of the Russian Empire connecting the basins of the Baltic and Black Seas.
              1. Andrey A
                Andrey A 20 September 2023 19: 54
                +1
                It will be for you: Russia has Volgo-Balt and Volgo-Don. Vessels with a draft of up to 4 m (at least) and a displacement of up to 5000 tons can pass there, which is significantly more than that of the Varshavyanka submarines. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga-Baltic_water_way https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volga-Don_canal. So, if not for the damage, then transferring the submarine to the Baltic, apparently, would not be so difficult. And so we can, if necessary, castle at least part of our naval forces from the Baltic and White Sea to the Black Sea (and back) along inland waterways... In general, the very fact of serious damage to the hull of the Rostov-on-Don Don" has not been proven, these are just articles in the Western press, and quite a few fakes appear there, which is natural in a conflict. Let's wait for official information. In any case, as already written here, if necessary, new submarine compartments can be delivered via inland waterways and cut into the hull. This will probably be easier...
              2. Saburov_Alexander53
                Saburov_Alexander53 21 September 2023 07: 25
                0

                Boa constrictor KAA (Alexander), it was careless on your part about geography... I don’t understand. How did you forget about the White Sea-Baltic Canal and the Volga-Don? And also about the construction of submarines in Gorky (Nizhny Novgorod), from where they were sent to all four fleets along these inland waterways.
                The only thing that confused me is that I need to know exactly the dimensions of a given submarine for such transportation, and both in length. and in height with the wheelhouse, taking into account that it will be loaded onto a special barge. There is no way we can do it under our own power due to the deep draft of all the boats. request
              3. Rakitin
                Rakitin 22 September 2023 15: 19
                0
                Is this when they drove submarines along the Dnieper? :-) In the Smolensk area, you can now almost ford the Dnieper...
        2. Jager
          Jager 20 September 2023 13: 25
          +1
          Tell this to K-3 or K-19. And they burned and drowned and were irradiated. And they served.
          1. ser580
            ser580 20 September 2023 16: 18
            +3
            So now, such experts are truly the most expert. I only see damage to the light hull; it will take a couple of weeks to be repaired at the dock. But the strong hull is intact and the ship is quite serviceable.
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 20 September 2023 18: 42
              -1
              Quote: ser580
              But the strong hull is intact and the ship is quite serviceable.

              After your post, I remembered a children's song about the Hedgehog, who “walked and whistled with a HOLE in his right side...” Take a closer look at the photo. Do you see a hole in the 4th compartment? Still have questions? sad
              1. Jager
                Jager 20 September 2023 20: 29
                0
                Why is the hole not being repaired? Do they replace damaged compartments as a last resort? Or are there no collisions between submarines and cargo ships or terrain in the world?
        3. barbos
          barbos 20 September 2023 20: 22
          -1
          It's easier and cheaper to make a new one than to restore this one.

          Well, you can patch it up, tweak it here and there and plaster it up. Good for parades
      3. Volunteer Marek
        Volunteer Marek 19 September 2023 13: 27
        +8
        Unfortunately yes. The boat as a combat unit no longer exists. The problem is something else - people! This is not replenishable.
        1. Novik225
          Novik225 19 September 2023 14: 05
          +5
          Unfortunately yes. The boat as a combat unit no longer exists. The problem is something else - people! This is not replenishable.
          what about people? The boat was in dry dock - there was no crew there.
          1. AdAstra
            AdAstra 19 September 2023 14: 48
            +13
            Don’t you consider the two dead workers of the enterprise and more than 30 wounded as people?
          2. Alexander Raikov
            Alexander Raikov 19 September 2023 15: 04
            +4
            Has nothing changed after the tragedy with the cruiser Moscow?
          3. Alemax
            Alemax 20 September 2023 08: 34
            +1
            Who said there was no crew? There is always at least part of the crew in repairs.
        2. AVA77
          AVA77 19 September 2023 14: 22
          +2
          So this is a photo of the boat in a dry dock, I doubt that it was just docked.
          It’s certainly unpleasant, but we’ll get through it.
      4. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 19 September 2023 13: 39
        0
        So, what is next? Well, they'll bring in another boat, from another fleet. Of course, the fact that the submarine was damaged is not pleasant... Well, let’s start “oohing and ahhing” and will it be better?
      5. Alexey Lantukh
        Alexey Lantukh 19 September 2023 17: 09
        +1
        Yes, the damage is significant. It may have to be used for spare parts for other boats.
      6. Mikhail Maslov
        Mikhail Maslov 20 September 2023 02: 34
        -1
        In the photo cart of the boat "Rostov-on-Don" there are two serious hits. I can assume that the boat has a kayak.
      7. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 September 2023 18: 13
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the boat was left on tenterhooks!

        This option is possible. Or perhaps they will do like the French with their Zhemchuzhina submarine, which burned in 2020:
        The nuclear submarine Perle, which caught fire on June 12 during a major overhaul, will not be written off, but will be restored. ... The bow of the ship was completely burned out: we are talking about the first and second compartments of the ship - the torpedo compartment and the central control compartment. 14 hours of fire is enough for both burnout and a fatal change in the properties of steel. The fire did not go to the third compartment (reactor echelon) and beyond. And it was decided to keep this stern part of the boat. And the burnt nose will be cut off and disposed of. And in its place they will weld the bow from the first disabled Rubis-Saphir nuclear submarine, which was disabled and decommissioned a little over a year ago.

        If it is economically rational, ours will do the same: they will cut out the damaged 4th compartment, and then reassemble the PC. The superstructure with the LC will be repaired even in the conditions of SRZ 13. In short, it all depends on costs. I would restore it. We don’t have that many submarines pr.636.3. They need to be protected.
        IMHO.
    2. Johnson Smithson
      Johnson Smithson 19 September 2023 13: 14
      +17
      What do you mean we are silent? This was a week ago in Sevastopol.
      And then they immediately said about the arrival by BDK and by diesel submarine.
    3. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 19 September 2023 13: 23
      +12
      "Storms" hit the large landing ship and this submarine. The ships were in dock, this was already recognized several days ago. What other latest newspaper do you need?
      1. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 20 September 2023 08: 13
        0
        SVO (war) brought us another lesson,
        that floating and dry docks closed at the top are needed
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 20 September 2023 11: 52
      0
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Give me a photo of the whole boat with the latest issue of the newspaper!

      If you don’t know how to use search engines, newspapers won’t be printed especially for you.
  2. Shurik70
    Shurik70 19 September 2023 13: 02
    +4
    The background is pixelated
    They pixelate to hide something.
    And Russia's enemies have no reason to hide their background. So the photos were taken by us.
    So we really got it.
    The boat seemed to be at the dock for repairs, so there were probably few sailors there.
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 19 September 2023 13: 24
      +4
      Employees of the enterprise were injured. More than twenty people
    2. irdidaal
      irdidaal 19 September 2023 13: 25
      -13
      find the person who took the photo and posted it. So it weighs ten years...
      1. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 19 September 2023 14: 00
        +3
        This will somehow help our guys in Donbass. If the photographer is ten years old? Who took pictures of the damaged ships. About which the whole world already knows
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 20 September 2023 11: 57
        +1
        Quote: irdidaal
        find the person who took the photo and posted it. So it weighs ten years...

        This is in the style of the Soviet KGB, when they were prosecuted for a photograph of an airplane that was featured dozens of times in foreign magazines.
    3. stelltok
      stelltok 19 September 2023 13: 45
      -2
      The background is pixelated
      They pixelate to hide something.

      Already wrote.
      The background is pixelated, since the photo was taken in St. Petersburg. Has nothing to do with Sevastopol.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 19 September 2023 14: 43
        +3
        Quote from stelltok
        The background is pixelated, since the photo was taken in St. Petersburg

        Could you decipher
        And why is the background pixelated in this?
        1. stelltok
          stelltok 19 September 2023 15: 05
          -5
          Could you decipher

          What's there to decipher here? The photo was taken in St. Petersburg, people have already recognized it.
          But why did they throw her in? request
          And why is the background pixelated in this?

          And FIG knows him. request
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 20 September 2023 10: 11
            0
            Quote from stelltok
            What's there to decipher here? Photo taken in St. Petersburg

            Yandex, when asked “what is a photo in St. Petersburg,” says that the photo was taken in St. Petersburg
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 20 September 2023 12: 04
          +3
          Quote: Shurik70
          And why is the background pixelated in this?

          So that the photo cannot be tied to a place. If buildings characteristic of some New Orleans are visible in the background, it will be difficult to prove that this is Sevastopol.
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 19 September 2023 14: 31
      +4
      Quote: Shurik70
      So we really got it.

      what Aren't you confused by the trajectory of the missile hitting the boat??
      1. stelltok
        stelltok 19 September 2023 15: 07
        -3
        Is the trajectory of the missile hitting the boat confusing??

        Yes. Because this photo was taken in St. Petersburg. hi
        1. nPuBaTuP
          nPuBaTuP 19 September 2023 16: 02
          -1
          Please explain this abbreviation “SPB”.....
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 19 September 2023 16: 47
            +2
            Quote: nPuBaTuP
            Please explain this abbreviation “SPB”.....

            St. Petersburg.
            In which all diesel-electric submarines for our Navy and for export have been built at the Admiralty Shipyards for the last 20 years.
            1. Vashek
              Vashek 20 September 2023 12: 11
              0
              In St. Petersburg, boats are built in a closed boathouse. The photo is not from there.
  3. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 19 September 2023 13: 03
    -2
    The Russian military department has not yet confirmed the authenticity of the photographs.
    We are waiting for comments from the Moscow Region or people who are in the subject. In the meantime, there is no official data and there is nothing to discuss.
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 19 September 2023 13: 09
      +3
      But they don’t deny that they could at least take a photo of any boat and say - pass it by! But no... they are silent!
    2. nightwolf1991
      nightwolf1991 19 September 2023 13: 32
      -2
      totally agree with you. 100 percent
    3. Kaufman
      Kaufman 19 September 2023 13: 33
      +11
      Have YOU waited for official data on Moscow?
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 20 September 2023 07: 01
        -2
        We need to wait for official comments from the Moscow Region.

        Right. Wait. "Don't hang up, wait for the operator to answer, your call is very important to us.... Don't hang up, wait for the operator to answer, your call is very important to us.... Don't hang up, wait for the operator to answer, your call is very important to us." us.... tu-tu-tu.... Yes
  4. Pankrat25
    Pankrat25 19 September 2023 13: 03
    -1
    Actually, the images are not satellite. The article contains poor quality pictures, but the telegram has better ones. Judging by the pictures that I looked at, she will not be able to swim for a long time.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 19 September 2023 13: 04
      +9
      Judging by the pictures, she can't swim at all.
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 19 September 2023 13: 04
    0
    If this is the submarine "Rostov-on-Don", then why the hell is the Western media photoshopping it so hard that it is impossible to determine where it is and what kind of boat it is? The coat of arms on the wheelhouse is just installed on “non-sailing” boats; they are removed before the trip
    1. Buchenland
      Buchenland 19 September 2023 13: 20
      +2
      It’s not the Western media that photoshopped it like that
    2. Lptsk
      Lptsk 19 September 2023 14: 16
      +1
      Already taken apart. Photo from St. Petersburg, the bridge was blurred. Photoshop is
  6. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 19 September 2023 13: 04
    -3
    ***
    - “Allegedly the submarine”, “allegedly received”, “allegedly damaged” -
    - Why is this published on Military Review? ...
    ***
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 20 September 2023 06: 52
      -2
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***
      - “Allegedly the submarine”, “allegedly received”, “allegedly damaged” -
      - Why is this published on Military Review? ...
      ***

      According to this, everyone knows the truth, but they are afraid to fall under an article about discrediting the Russian army.
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 September 2023 13: 07
    -5
    The damage to the Rostov-on-Don submarine can only be judged by those who served on boats of this project. I only see damage to the pressure hull, but I see no traces of an internal fire, the hydroacoustic coating of the outer hull is relatively intact. It’s good that they complied with the instructions - they were docked without weapons , torpedoes and missiles. The air defense nicks now have a pale look and an upset heart. With the BDK it is much worse
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 19 September 2023 13: 12
      -2
      Trawl fleet, judging by the photographs posted on the site’s telegram channel, the boat has served its purpose....
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 September 2023 13: 20
        -2
        We have had many boats burn, and even nuclear submarines have been restored. They will cut out the damaged compartments and insert new ones. Maybe they won’t. The enemy made technological repair holes. It all depends on the damage to the hull set of the durable compartment. Repair for a couple of years - with modernization.
    2. Saburov_Alexander53
      Saburov_Alexander53 19 September 2023 13: 29
      +7
      tralflot1832 (Andrey S.), the last thing you need to worry about is the hydroacoustic coating of the boat’s hull. This is the easiest and cheapest to restore. But “patching” the durable case will be the most difficult thing. But “the eyes are afraid, but the hands do.” When I arrived at my submarine at the Dalzavod dock after training, I was sure that I would see seas until the end of my service. All that was left of the boat was one strong hull with the remains of a light body in the stern and bow. The entire middle (4 missile compartment) was cut out. Cables and pipelines were being replaced inside the entire ship and, as a result, new missile silos with underwater launch were installed and the RTS and navigational equipment were completely replaced. After 7 months we started sea trials. The boat was essentially rebuilt in a year.
      And they never dock with weapons, by the way...even the fuel is sucked out of the tanks and pushed into the dock by tugboats. In my Soviet experience, work here lasts for a maximum of six months, taking into account two burned-out compartments. Another thing is that they will spend a long time examining the condition of the building in order to understand the amount of work. For us, this always takes longer than the work itself.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 September 2023 14: 33
        +2
        Saburov _ Alexander 53 regarding the unloading of the firing pin by the firing pin, I specifically gave a primer. My childhood passed just 200 meters below the arsenal 35 SRZ Rosta district, Murmansk. If tractors under guard were pulled into the arsenal, it means someone was at the plant for repairs. I saw with sea ​​(gulf), how they repaired the first nuclear submarines with cruise missiles, with surface launch at the 35th plant. Honestly, my first childhood impression - our fleet is all under repair? But it looked beautiful.
    3. Grits
      Grits 19 September 2023 14: 14
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I only see damage to the durable hull

      And I just see damage to the light hull. It's hard to say about durability. Although, most likely, it was not badly damaged. But this is done quite simply - the compartment (or even just part of it) is cut out and a new one is installed. True, will they be able to do this in Sevastopol?
      Having worked for 9 years at SMP and Zvezdochka, I saw that the guys from Severodvinsk work wonders and such damage does not frighten them at all. You can send specialists there from Severodvinsk or St. Petersburg.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 September 2023 19: 08
        0
        Quote: Gritsa
        You can send specialists there from Severodvinsk or St. Petersburg.

        What does Severodvinsk have to do with it? They have their own tidying facility - PLA!
        It makes sense for St. Petersburg residents to go only if there is equipment at the shipyard in Seva. Because cooking a PC is not a pound of hassle! Technological conditions must be observed: currents, fluxes, automatic welding machines... because it’s unlikely that you can weld 48mm special steel by hand... Therefore, the unit will be canned for a while. If they decide to restore it, then on a special vessel through the Bosporus, SZM and Atlantic, the Danish Straits to the BM, to the home plant, to the operating table, and then to the outfitting slipway.
        AHA.
        1. Bondor
          Bondor 21 September 2023 02: 46
          0
          This is where you, my friend, are wrong, in Severodvinsk on Zvezdochka, 7 Varshavyankas from India underwent a medium repair, and 2 were built from scratch on the SMP for China. Judging by the photographs from the starboard side there was no big fire, it is not clear whether the strong hull was broken, by the way, this hole is closer to the aft bulkhead of the 3rd compartment, there can only be damage to the ballast tank in addition to the light hull, and it is between the strong and light, and under the strong there is a galley on the upper deck, and provisions on the lower deck, and a battery in the hold. In the nose, it seems that only the light body suffered from saturation. Regarding the replacement of sheets of a durable hull, during an average repair, the entire top of the durable hull of 4 compartments is cut out to replace diesel engines and unload, load equipment into other compartments, for which parts of the inter-compartment bulkhead of approximately 2x2 mm are cut out. After the repair, all cut out parts of proper quality are welded back by hand welding with preliminary cutting of the edges of the sheets, special electrodes and sequentially applied seams, the quality of the seams is checked by radiography, he explained in a simple way without going into detail. But yes, such repairs require time, equipment and specialists.
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 19 September 2023 14: 36
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I only see damage to the durable hull

      Isn't it easy, my friend?
      Quote: tralflot1832
      BDK is much worse

      There are no questions about the BDK, but about the boat... we see a hole in the side at the waterline level... the question is, did the missile pierce right through the BDK and hit the side of the boat? what What kind of rocket is this?
    5. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 19 September 2023 14: 41
      -4
      Quote: tralflot1832
      .With BDK it is much worse

      The superstructure of the BDK burned down. The body is intact. This means the power is intact. The superstructure will be taken from the former UkroBDK Konstantin Olshansky and everything will be a bundle. There . It was precisely the ship’s power plant that the Kokhls disabled before surrendering in 14. They either poured sand into the diesel engine or damaged it. And the top is usable. So, let's see... what and how it will be repaired. And on the boat. official information - repair. And believing UkroTsipse is generally for losers and LGBT people...
      1. Escariot
        Escariot 20 September 2023 06: 56
        -2
        Quote: 30 vis
        Quote: tralflot1832
        .With BDK it is much worse

        The superstructure of the BDK burned down. The body is intact. This means the power is intact. The superstructure will be taken from the former UkroBDK Konstantin Olshansky and everything will be a bundle. There . It was precisely the ship’s power plant that the Kokhls disabled before surrendering in 14. They either poured sand into the diesel engine or damaged it. And the top is usable. So, let's see... what and how it will be repaired. And on the boat. official information - repair. And believing UkroTsipse is generally for losers and LGBT people...

        Isn’t it easier to restore Konstantin Olshansky’s stasis than to spend money on Minsk? True, he will be restricted from leaving the Black Sea, but these are trifles.
    6. Mikhail Maslov
      Mikhail Maslov 20 September 2023 02: 40
      +1
      Well, yes, well, the air defense is to blame for everything. Think about what you write. Or maybe the leaders ensuring the security of the strategic enterprise are to blame. Or will you write like at the beginning of the war, “another ammunition depot caught fire from the cigarette butt of Private Pupkin?
  8. Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. 19 September 2023 13: 08
    -8
    Even if it doesn't float, it's not critical. These boats are being produced at a good pace. Ready for the Pacific Ocean, they will be transferred along internal routes. However, these boats can shoot at Ukraine from the Baltic. soldier
    1. AUL
      AUL 19 September 2023 17: 34
      +2
      Quote: V.
      These boats are being produced at a good pace.

      The Germans churned out submarines at a good pace during the war. On average - a boat in two days. If you don’t believe me, look up the statistics for that period. But our deadlines are of a different order. Would you say the boats were simpler? Well, first of all, not by much. Especially the latest series, electric bots. Secondly, production technologies and equipment productivity have increased manifold. And thirdly, this production took place in country at war In recent years, generally under bombing and in conditions of an acute shortage of materials and labor - total mobilization! I still can’t understand this phenomenon!
      Now compare with the rate of diesel-electric submarine production here...
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 September 2023 19: 41
        0
        Quote from AUL
        The Germans churned out submarines during the war. On average - a boat in two days.

        Even faster! And they were assembled at 3 shipyards, where ready-made compartments and sections were received from 35 (!) Reich factories.
        by the end of 1944 it was planned to reach the pace monthly delivery of thirty-eight submarines to the fleet. XXI series. However, the parallel deployment of the construction program small boats XXIII series reduced this figure up to 33 boats per month. In 1944, the pace of construction was adjusted a second time and was reduced to 22 PL per month in connection with the inclusion of G. Walter in the shipbuilding program medium boats XXVI series.

        The 21 series boat formed the basis of our submarine pr.613.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 September 2023 19: 13
      0
      Quote: V.
      Ready for the Pacific Ocean, they will be transferred along internal routes.

      To the Caspian flotilla, or what? Or will we wait until the Dnieper becomes ours? bully
  9. KCA
    KCA 19 September 2023 13: 10
    +2
    In the photo on the RnD there are no railings, but in the photo of the damaged one there are, on the damaged one there are some square holes at the bottom of the deckhouse, on the RnD there is nothing there, no portholes, no hatches of any kind
  10. ism_ek
    ism_ek 19 September 2023 13: 10
    +3
    From the photo you can see that the lightweight body is damaged. Damage to the durable hull is difficult to assess. Yes, the light body has a lot of communications, ballast tanks, and a gas pump. But everything is not so critical.
  11. spirit
    spirit 19 September 2023 13: 18
    -5
    Nonsense, Photoshop))
    According to the articles about “Storms” from Ryabov and local “armchair specialists” to it, it is stated that these are not missiles but “garbage”, our air defense systems have one left and, in general, electronic warfare is smacking them all on the approach. And the late Kubrick filmed all this on studios in Hollywood, where he filmed the moon landing. wink
  12. Dedok
    Dedok 19 September 2023 14: 13
    +1
    It seemed to me, or is it still like this: one “hit” is on the right, and another on the left?
  13. Sergey39
    Sergey39 19 September 2023 14: 28
    0
    You can argue as much as you want. The Navy said the boat would be restored, but the landing ship was still damaged. We have to wait, time will tell everything. Will be repaired or disposed of.
    Another interesting thing is that I think the dock is also damaged. Repair work was carried out around the clock, so people suffered, only the factory workers or the crews of the ship and boat. During repairs, part of the crew is present on board.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 20 September 2023 07: 01
      -3
      Quote: Sergey39
      You can argue as much as you want. The Navy said the boat would be restored, but the landing ship was still damaged. We have to wait, time will tell everything. Will be repaired or disposed of.
      Another interesting thing is that I think the dock is also damaged. Repair work was carried out around the clock, so people suffered, only the factory workers or the crews of the ship and boat. During repairs, part of the crew is present on board.

      With such damage, it will be restored in 5 years, and then either the donkey will die or the padishah will die. So, in addition to this, the dock, which the Black Sea Fleet really needs, at least for the current inspection of ships, has come into full combat readiness. Until this scrap metal is brought into a condition so that it at least floats on water... It’s easier to cut it into metal right there.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 20 September 2023 19: 47
        +1
        Quote from Escariot
        It’s easier to cut it into metal right there.

        Better cut up your car (if you have one, of course!)
        What a pity!? Isn’t it a pity for a warship that has received combat damage??? That's it!
        Therefore leave to Caesar what is Caesar's. You better teach your wife how to cook cabbage soup! am
  14. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 19 September 2023 14: 42
    +6
    Will someone explain to me HOW a country that does not have a fleet constantly and with impunity disables the ships of another country’s fairly powerful and combat-ready fleet - one after another? And how does she manage not to pay such a price for this that would be unacceptable to her???
    1. Practitioner23354df
      Practitioner23354df 19 September 2023 15: 01
      +2
      With the current Russian government, this may not be the case.
    2. AdAstra
      AdAstra 19 September 2023 15: 09
      +5
      Wait, soon, perhaps, Staver A.’s article will appear there and read the explanations.
    3. Kronos
      Kronos 19 September 2023 15: 41
      +3
      A country that does not have a fleet, but now has modern missiles that can hit a target; the times when ships sank only from the actions of another fleet or aircraft are long gone.
    4. elbrus
      elbrus 19 September 2023 19: 38
      0
      this is not one country, but NATO countries with the largest military-industrial complex, it’s just that the theater of military operations is still limited by the borders of two countries
    5. Escariot
      Escariot 20 September 2023 07: 03
      -1
      Quote: Peter_Koldunov
      Will someone explain to me HOW a country that does not have a fleet constantly and with impunity disables the ships of another country’s fairly powerful and combat-ready fleet - one after another? And how does she manage not to pay such a price for this that would be unacceptable to her???

      Aircraft and ground systems are sufficient for this. Well, this “rather powerful and combat-ready fleet” is a glass cannon and, despite all its strike weapons, is not able to defend itself.
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 20 September 2023 12: 17
      0
      Quote: Peter_Koldunov
      Will someone explain to me HOW a country that does not have a fleet constantly and with impunity disables the ships of another country’s fairly powerful and combat-ready fleet?

      It’s time to understand that Russia is not at war with Ukraine, but with the Western alliance. This country has the entire NATO as patrons and suppliers of various types of destruction. And to disable enemy ships, it is now not at all necessary to have a fleet, especially in such a small water area as the Black Sea.
  15. Zhivan
    Zhivan 19 September 2023 15: 20
    -2
    There are no sunken submarines in the photographs.!!!
  16. bear cub
    bear cub 19 September 2023 15: 41
    +1
    In addition to discussing photoshop, blurring photos and other nonsense, I’ll ask. Has anyone noticed that if they do it once, they can do it again? The dock is currently not in use, in my opinion, not because it was damaged, but because repairing anything in this dock is asking for another attack and risks the health and lives of people. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if our enlightened command in a moment puts something there for repair and after some time a debate arises whether it’s Photoshop or not.
  17. Serge9901
    Serge9901 19 September 2023 16: 03
    +3
    And when Taurus and Atakms arrive with F-16s, what are we going to do? I really want to ask all these semi-expert scumbags in the media - do we have a plan? Or “Perhaps it’s not for me”? There is a cassette version in 13 separable parts (in BLOCK4), they will shoot 30 pieces into Maskva, a dozen will fly, God forbid, and what - “where is Kursk - “he drowned”? What is the plan? Does it exist? Where is our General Staff? Digging potatoes ?
    1. Repellent
      Repellent 19 September 2023 16: 30
      -7
      Quote: Serge9901
      What's the plan?

      Who will say, sick?

      Quote: Serge9901
      Where is our General Staff? Digging potatoes?

      No. Plan.
    2. Orkraider
      Orkraider 19 September 2023 23: 12
      0
      There is a cassette version in 13 separable parts (in BLOCK4), they will shoot 30 pieces into Maskva, a dozen will fly, God forbid, and what - “where is Kursk - “he drowned”?

      Why write Moscow with a small letter and deliberately making a mistake? Where does such hatred for the capital come from? There are many real people of their homeland in it, both employees and helping civilians. Yes, there are escapees and a massive fifth column, and so on, so forth... but there are many of them everywhere and there is no need to offend all Muscovites...
      1. Repellent
        Repellent 19 September 2023 23: 26
        +2
        Quote: Orkraider
        Why Moscow with a small letter

        Because the troll is local. Cool, by the way - the seven gifted ones above think that the plans of the General Staff should be published on the internet for them)))
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 20 September 2023 12: 22
        +1
        Quote: Orkraider
        Where does such hatred for the capital come from?

        He seems to have hatred for all of Russia.
        1. Serge9901
          Serge9901 20 September 2023 12: 50
          0
          No, not a troll, about Maskva, he may be wrong, although there are reasons on the periphery, find out. About hatred of Russia - don’t put it so bluntly, I rattled off my own, no shame, balabols... How are you doing with this, at least what kind of awards do you have? (combat)? AS?
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 20 September 2023 19: 56
            0
            Quote: Serge9901
            At least what kind of rewards are there? (combat)? AS?

            Of course I have...
            But the only HERO we have here is YOU, the drummer, damn it!!! am
  18. Sanktperburg1812
    Sanktperburg1812 19 September 2023 23: 41
    -3
    Hmmm. Fleet parades are awesome. It’s just that the Black Sea Fleet is not very good at fighting...
  19. Sergei N 58912062
    Sergei N 58912062 20 September 2023 02: 54
    -2
    At the moment, the Russian military department cannot confirm the authenticity of the photographs.

    And most likely they will not confirm.
  20. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 20 September 2023 03: 35
    -3
    - “Based on this, the conclusion is made that Rostov-on-Don will be out of action until the end of the conflict” - until when!? It seems that they already know the “end” of the conflict.
  21. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 20 September 2023 06: 15
    -2
    Unrepairable. How to repair it with two holes in the body? And with probably partially burnt out compartments.
    The boat is fine, we have the power and capabilities to build a new one, but the 775 BDK is a pity, we have a problem with the BDK.
  22. Cypa
    Cypa 20 September 2023 07: 28
    -3
    Judging by the photo, the Zvezdets boat will be decommissioned
  23. BorzRio
    BorzRio 20 September 2023 09: 01
    +1
    So they were de-militized, so that they would have to take the remnants of the fleet somewhere far away beyond Sochi, so that they too would not be gouged out. I don’t understand at all, they knew that cruise missiles would be handed over to the Ukrainians, they knew that no air defense could intercept everything, that there is a concept of “oversaturation” of missile defense, that on the other side of the conflict the NATO military is not so stupid, and similar things will happen will still happen. All Black Sea Fleet bases are clearly visible on NATO satellites and reconnaissance sensors. The carelessness and lack of foresight of the commanders of the Russian Armed Forces is simply amazing... This conflict simply completely destroyed faith in the professionalism and adequacy of the Russian military command.
  24. matsur
    matsur 20 September 2023 09: 42
    +1
    If ours are silent, then this says something... Unfortunately. This happened every time someone missed something. Our ship, then the Crimean bridge twice, “regrouping”. Silence.
  25. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 20 September 2023 10: 27
    +1
    In this regard, long-term repair work on the submarine is predicted, which will also have to be carried out at the Admiralty Shipyards, which were engaged in the construction of both this diesel-electric submarine and the entire Varshavyanka series. Based on this, a conclusion is made that Rostov-on-Don will be out of action until the end of the conflict.

    1. Boats of projects 636 and 877 and nuclear project 670 were also built at Krasnoe Sormovo in Gorki (Nizhny Novgorod) on the Volga. So it is quite possible for such a boat to navigate inland waterways. This raises the question - why were repairs carried out in Sevastopol in full view of the enemy and within the range of British missiles?
    2. The damage is serious (if the photographs are confirmed), but repairs are quite possible if judging by the photographs. It is very difficult to cause irreparable damage to such ships in dock. Moreover, there was no internal explosion of ammunition. At the dock it will be easier to notice and hit the boat, but much more difficult to destroy it irrevocably.
    3. For the Black Sea, I think (a friend’s humble opinion) that it is necessary to make warships and boats in large series (several dozens) but much smaller (no more than 1000 tons) and boats in hundreds. Cruisers, frigates and boats over 1000 tons - only for the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet. Of course, the headquarters in Moscow and Sevastopol know better.
  26. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 20 September 2023 11: 43
    +2
    The extent of damage to the boat is not known, except for photographs of unknown origin. Now AI can draw whatever you want.
  27. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 20 September 2023 18: 36
    0
    Quote from: Peter1First
    While the war is going on in the conditions of our leaky air defense

    With your post you seem to be hinting that somewhere there is air defense that is not leaky and shoots down 100% of targets - but here, alas, we have a leaky one?
    But one thing in your post is true - “while the war is going on.” Yes, it’s war, and the enemy has a variety of destructive weapons and uses them whenever possible. I’ll tell you more: when Ukraine dies, there will be even more blows - we will need to use up all foreign weapons so that we don’t get them. And they will no longer be applied to military targets, but to our cities. And what kind of filling will be in them - it’s better not to think......
  28. barbos
    barbos 20 September 2023 20: 17
    0
    Another question is, why did she suddenly end up in a dry dock? She was recently solemnly launched. It seems that she did not take part in naval battles and is here for repairs. It's strange somehow.
  29. Glagol1
    Glagol1 23 September 2023 14: 57
    0
    The boat is new, it is 9 years old. If the photos are not fake, he will go to pieces. It’s a pity, but the stubborn ones have a ton of weapons and target designation, we must take care of the boats, otherwise there will be nothing to sail on the sea with.