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Eurasian Union: a look into the future

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If the President of Russia, in 2011, saw the Eurasian Union as tomorrow’s reality, comparing it with the EU, then at the end of 2012, Hillary Clinton was frightened by the coming “re-Sovietization”.

From V. Putin's article in "Izvestia" from October 3 2011 years:

“For example, the two largest associations of our continent - the European Union and the emerging Eurasian Union - basing their interaction on the rules of free trade and compatibility of regulatory systems, objectively, including through relations with third countries and regional structures, can extend these principles to the whole space - from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. On the space that will be harmonious in its economic nature, but polycentric in terms of specific mechanisms and management decisions. Then it will be logical to start a constructive dialogue about the principles of interaction with the states of the Asia-Pacific Region, North America and other regions. ”


Eurasian Union: a look into the future


That is the scope of Comrade Putin. And further:

“I am convinced that the creation of the Eurasian Union, effective integration is the path that will allow its participants to take a worthy place in the difficult world of the 21st century. Only together can our countries be among the leaders of global growth and civilizational progress, to achieve success and prosperity. ”


Unlikely sharing the faith of Comrade Putin in the successful future of the new integration colossus, in the year 2011, the State Department was not particularly worried. But today Mrs. Clinton has already forgotten about the “clay feet” and is sounding the alarm. 6 December a newspaper correspondent quoted her words Financial Times Charles Clover. The main keynote of the statements Clinton became anti-Soviet - in the literal sense. The main thing in her words is the statement that the United States should prevent the “re-Sovietization” conducted by the Kremlin under the guise of economic integration.

A formidable statement was made on purpose in Dublin, before meeting with Russian Foreign Minister comrade Lavrov. The US Secretary of State said:

“There is no difference what it is called. This may be called the Customs Union, the Eurasian Union, and in the same spirit further. But let's not be mistaken about this. We know what the goal is, and we will try to find effective ways to slow down or prevent it. ”


Mrs. Clinton also said that the efforts aimed at regional hegemony by pro-Moscow regimes in the former Soviet Union are accompanied by new campaigns of repression.

She did not explain exactly what she had in mind who was strangled, persecuted, accused of dissent, made a prison landing for political reasons, was expelled from the country or put in a psychiatric hospital, but made it clear: America against the Eurasian Union will object. Hillary Clinton, who knows two things for sure - Assad should leave and there will be no revival of the USSR - does not believe V. Putin, who says:

“It’s not about re-creating the USSR in one form or another. It is naive to try to restore or copy what is already left in the past, but close integration on a new value, political, economic basis is the imperative of our time. ”


Mr Andrew Weiss, under President Bill Clinton who worked for the National Security Council and now working at the Rand Corporation think tank, agrees that Putin, returning to the Kremlin as president, plans to focus on strengthening Russia's influence. But, according to the analyst, the elite in neighboring states does not show much enthusiasm in the transfer of independence and sovereignty to Moscow.

The progress in integration, as Charles Clover sees it, is rather modest. After more than a decade of false starts, the Customs Union, formed from Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan in January 2010, received a “common economic space” in January 2012, due ultimately to ensure the free movement of goods, services and capital through a single market.

“It is regrettable,” says H. Clinton, “that after twenty years of the post-Soviet era ... many of the indicators of progress that we wanted are receding ... We are trying to fight it, but it is very difficult."


So, according to H. Clinton, the idea of ​​the Eurasian Union is a "re-Sovietization of the region." At the same time, this means that the Department of State recognized: the Customs Union and EurAsEC are working projects, and they have an integration future, despite assurances from Mr. Weiss’s brain attack aircraft.

For example, Dmitry Suslov, deputy director of the Center for Comprehensive European and International Studies, believes that the United States does not have the tools to weaken successful associations. is he believesthat the post-Soviet integration corresponds to the vital interests of the participating countries and is characterized by positive economic achievements.

And the Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building, Dmitry Vyatkin, believes that with her statement Hillary Clinton only confirmed the way of thinking typical for the US leadership:

“This vector of American foreign policy applies not only to Russia, but also to all countries. Divide and conquer - this principle is valid at all times. Of course, integration in the post-Soviet space is beneficial to the former Soviet republics and the peoples who live there. Of course, this course is inconvenient for the United States, because it creates a structure that is economically and politically powerful. Military cooperation will be developed, able to resist America’s plans to extend its influence, in particular, to Central Asia. The US is unprofitable to strengthen Russia, unprofitable strengthening of the former Soviet republics. It is beneficial for Washington to bleed them and loosen them one by one. So, we are moving in the right direction, which means that integration needs to be strengthened. ”


The United States is not going to abandon the inertial course of hegemony. Washington is able to agree with the existence of middling and weakling players on the world stage, but it does not need strong countries. If China gets stronger, the US changes its “defense” priorities and tightens its forces in the APR. If Russia becomes stronger, Clinton immediately draws attention to the Eurasian plans.

Not knowing how to harm the creation of the EAU, in the West give one pessimistic prophecy after another. Not only is Weiss skeptical about the future of the Eurasian Union, but he is also ridiculed by such a well-known, one might say terry, political scientist like Z. Brzezinski.

In his opinionVladimir Putin has made himself a hostage to imperial nostalgia, committed to the idea that Russia's greatness depends on the extent to which Moscow can revive and activate its former hegemony in the space of the former Soviet or Russian empire. Therefore, if Russia changes, it will not be under Putin, but after him. Changes in Russia will accelerate significantly after Putin leaves the stage. Now the political scientist sees a complete disappointment inside Russia.

As for the Eurasian Union, Brzezinski sees no prospects for him:

“... if you look at things realistically - who wants to join the Eurasian Union? I don't think the list will be long. Kazakhstan with Nazarbayev headed? Very doubtful. He is already maneuvering very well between Russia and China and the rest of the world. Karimov and Uzbekistan? Even less chance - Uzbekistan is very firm in matters of state independence. What about Yanukovych? There was a promising chance, but as it turned out, Yanukovych and his financial sponsors are more interested in identifying their own territory almost as much as the gang. And they do not want another gang to occupy their territory. ”


Lukashenko, according to the political scientist, is approximately in the same position as Yanukovych.

Therefore, Russia and Kazakhstan and Belarus do not need the EAU. And who is needed? A need - the West. A key factor in Russia's success, its path to prosperity, of course, is rapprochement with the West, Zbigniew Brzezinski believes.

True, he forgot that the Gorbachev and Yeltsin era was gone, and now is not the time to talk about the union of Russia with the West. The end of the eighties and nineties showed how the United States and Europe can be friends. In addition, today's America, with its “values”, is far less popular all over the world than after the victory in the “cold war”. Hardly that - in the Middle East and North Africa, the American embassies begin to destroy and to burn the striped flags. Islamism triumphantly triumphant during the Arab spring, as if contrary to the goals of the White House. The rhetoric of H. Clinton or Obama, who recently endorsed the “Magnitsky Act,” is an attempt to act in the same vein in which America went during the post-Bulbian period stories. But this is a policy from the past ...

Today, Comrade Putin in Europe can put Van Rompuy or Barroso (on the gas issue) in his place, and tomorrow he will watch Hillary answer to Bengazi’s death on September 11 in Benghazi.

It is not for her or Obama to teach Russia about integration, this difficult process. Once, the pro-Western liberals broke the USSR and took the path of selling titanium spades, wild privatization, plundering of natural wealth, which Clinton now announces "progress." Now Moscow has a different task - to build. The creative acts, according to the logic of Clinton, are regress. And you need to stop them. Direct Russia on the road to progress.

And you, Hillary, and you, Zbigniew, and you, Barak, know: the idea of ​​the Eurasian Union was put forward not by Comrade Putin, but by Nursultan Nazarbayev. And not in 2010, but in 1994. Its, so to speak, copyright. And to say that Kazakhstan does not need it, at least, is naive.

It must be recalled that Nazarbayev has never been such an EAU supporter who would have advocated the "unity of command" of Moscow. On the contrary, he spoke of the equal rights of all members of the future Union. “Our states have approximately equal conditions and wishes of the elite ...” - here’s words Nazarbayev.

A year ago, the president of Kazakhstan сказал:

“We consider the Eurasian Union as an open project. It cannot be imagined without broad interaction, for example, with the European Union and other associations.

There is no “restoration” or “reincarnation” of the USSR, nor will there be. These are just phantoms of the past, speculation and speculation. And in this, our views with the leadership of Russia, Belarus and other countries completely coincide. ”


Very precise words that could well be addressed to Hillary Clinton, the living ghost of the Cold War.

Victorian Medvedchuk, a Ukrainian politician and leader of the Ukrainian Choice Public Movement, sees the future of the Eurasian Union as positive. is he offers it as an alternative to the “shopkeeper’s mindset”:

“The market does not know how to take care of the complex development of various sectors of the economy. Private capital goes only where it can make a profit. Therefore, the main task of the new association of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan is the creation of the fullest possible production chains included in the common technological system of the Eurasian Union and covering the maximum possible number of industries. ”


The economic and political benefits for themselves were found in the EAU and Transnistria. The Foreign Minister of this unrecognized republic, Nina Shtanski, addressing the participants of the Eurasia Readings conference held in Moscow, saidthat joining the Eurasian Union could be a way out of political stalemate for Transnistria:

“The emerging Eurasian Union has identified real prospects for Transnistrians to overcome the political impasse associated with the unresolved relations with Moldova.”


At the Shtanski Conference noted thethat the idea of ​​the Eurasian Union gave Transnistrians "the hope that peace and stability will come to our land forever." She emphasized:

“We also see that Eurasian integration gives us a chance to transfer the economy to the mode of intensive development, to strengthen the social sphere of the state. Finding unity in the spiritual realm will certainly make us all stronger. That is why Eurasian integration was declared a national idea in Transnistria. This course has recently been consolidated in the Concept of the state’s foreign policy and is already beginning to take a visible shape. Transnistria intends to actively pursue its participation in the Eurasian integration process, but we need the help and support of our friends and associates in Russia, Kazakhstan, and Belarus. Temporary political conventions should not interfere with the process of our rapprochement in the spheres of economy and culture, security and social development. ”


Analyst "Centuries" Victor Pirozhenko считаетthat in the current competitive world with its challenges, the Eurasian Union will not be able to exist as a purely economic union. In his opinion, the economic motives of the Eurasian association alone cannot win a victory in a competitive geopolitical war. Therefore, we should talk about the development of "some redundant, going beyond the boundaries of the purely economic pragmatism, meanings."

The analyst calls such senses not only the restoration of a single economic space in the future, but also the development of the Eurasian ideology. An ideological approach (isn't Mrs. Clinton afraid of him?) Will create internal positive incentives to support the Eurasian project in the post-Soviet space in broad layers of society and will solve the important problem of the continuity of the course towards the development of EAU in the conditions of the inevitable change of ruling circles in the member states. In the creative process, it is necessary to neutralize the obstacles created by the West. At the same time, Eurasian integration should not only protect the identity of peoples as a value, but also form a model of harmonious coexistence of distinctive cultures and socio-political structures. A model that could become in the future which would become a universal model. And just under the conditions of the enforced planting in the world after the collapse of the USSR of the Western socio-economic model and the corresponding to it, the author points out, diversity, originality and the principle of justice will prove to be universal values ​​being protected.

If it is appropriate to look for an alliance with America or the EU under market liberal benchmarks, then the EAU ideology can offer participants a “positive alternative to their defective nation-building or a stagnant European Union after the collapse of the USSR”. Otherwise, outside the ideological field, arguments about post-Soviet integration can be perceived "as an egoistic desire of Russian political and business circles to" seize "the resources of the CIS countries." Thus, the future of the EAU is to destroy the Western ideology of “democracy and human rights” by principles of diversity, originality and justice, which justifies the undermining of the values ​​of state sovereignty, territorial integrity, non-interference, cultural and political identity, thereby making “liberal-democratic ideology irrelevant.

In this context, it is Russia that could serve as a guarantor of the protection of cultural and civilizational diversity.

November 4 "Eurasian Youth Union" and the party "Eurasia" announced the about the beginning of the preparation of the All-Russian referendum on the creation of the EAU. The plebiscite is scheduled for 2013 year. If Hillary Clinton had read this document, she would have sprinkled ashes on her head:

“The brotherly nations united first in the Russian Empire, and then in the Soviet Union, at the end of the last century were forcibly divided against their will: in 1991, a referendum was held to preserve the USSR. For the preservation of the Union voted 76% of voters. However, the referendum results were ignored, and as a result of the criminal actions of Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk, the state ceased to exist ... "


Next:

“... taking into account the fact that it is impossible to cancel signed treaties on the termination of the USSR, on the one hand, and the desire of the peoples of Eurasia to unite in a union state, on the other hand, we consider it necessary to hold a new referendum meeting the changed historical conditions ...”


The statement of the organizing committee says that the main issue to be submitted to the referendum will be the creation of the Eurasian Union as a voluntary association of the Eurasian countries into a single state.

Repeat: a single state.

However, the authors of the statement clarify:

“We are not talking about the revival of the USSR or the Russian Empire in its previous form. The past does not return, but it is not necessary. Today there is a new project, which began almost a hundred years ago - the Eurasian Union. ”


Now the initiators of the union collect signatures. According to the law "On the referendum", 2 million signatures are required.

In addition to the initiators mentioned above, the project Support the People's Cathedral and Alexander Dugin. Judging by the number of participants in the V Kontakte group (2498), the referendum will not provide itself with the support of the audience. Hillary Clinton should not be afraid: the USSR is a monster from the past. No matter how “regressive” it is, it will not be reborn in its former form.

As for the new integration, the principles of originality and justice, if they were applied by the United States, would lead not to confrontation, conflicts and an irrepressible thirst for hegemony, but to the achievement of genuine values. I would like to believe that the voiced principles will be embodied in the EAU and will form the basis of its ideology, which would successfully compete with Washington's Machiavellian approach - “divide and rule”.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 30 December 2012 09: 00
    +19
    It will turn out after 10 years. In principle, everyone agrees except s. There will be one country as before good
    1. MILITARY RF
      MILITARY RF 30 December 2012 10: 03
      +20
      And a single army soldier
      1. pirate technician
        pirate technician 30 December 2012 10: 47
        +8
        That is, our country is in the return of what it was before! I am happy for the union, I hope that all errors are taken into account and something is created in the likeness of a new order! And now about the picture in ancient Rome, purple color meant a symbol of power, power. It would be necessary to draw a parallel between the Eurasian Union and purple. wink smile soldier
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 30 December 2012 11: 39
          +3
          But for me, the color is better blue. The color of the sky. And the Slavs always had this light on the flags, and among the Turks. And against this background - the symbol of EaS.
          1. ikrut
            ikrut 30 December 2012 16: 02
            +5
            Quote: Marek Rozny
            And for me, the blue color is better

            Heraldry is a meticulous science. Let the specialists do it. I think it will not be difficult there to take into account the traditions and wishes of all participants.
          2. Zabvo
            Zabvo 30 December 2012 18: 37
            +1
            Almost a quote: "I never thought that I would say this on Russian soil:" But. This American (obviously with Russian roots) is right. " drinks
          3. Kazbek
            Kazbek 23 February 2013 23: 16
            +1
            And the color of the flag of the Republic of Kazakhstan wink
        2. stroporez
          stroporez 30 December 2012 23: 43
          +3
          but why do you have on an avatar an eagle a symbol of the church of Satan holds ??????
      2. knn54
        knn54 30 December 2012 14: 57
        +3
        And a single defense industry.
        1. Zabvo
          Zabvo 4 January 2013 16: 58
          0
          No, that's what, what, and it's better not to have a single military-industrial complex with anyone from the allied countries, lessons of 91g. remember. KB "Yuzhnoye", Shipyard "61 Communards", "KhZTM", how many more of these giants died under the rubble of "perestroika". It is better to have everything at home, from any "perestroika".
      3. crazyrom
        crazyrom 30 December 2012 18: 59
        -1
        Quote: MILITARY RF
        And a united army soldier

        Why is it all pink? It looks like too much tolerance. You need a better color, for example red.
    2. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB 30 December 2012 13: 13
      +2
      It will not work, as long as there are sworn friends on the islands and across the ocean and corrupt villains in power, nothing will come of it either after 5 years or after 15.
    3. mikula
      mikula 30 December 2012 14: 33
      -8
      Tan4ik - In principle, everyone agrees except s.

      And you wouldn’t be so kind as to list all the Principles of consonants.
    4. vostok1982
      vostok1982 30 December 2012 14: 34
      +2
      I am sure that the finalization of the Euphrasian Union as a community of states and as a successor to the ideas and ideology of the USSR will occur by 2022 - the centenary of the creation of the USSR.
      1. ulugbek
        ulugbek 1 January 2013 21: 43
        +1
        I can say with confidence that the peoples of all republics are 65% agree with this idea, well, except for the Baltic states. 35% disagree mostly political elite and oligarchs!
    5. Vodrak
      Vodrak 30 December 2012 19: 35
      +16
      I was born in the One Country and I want to die in the One Country. May my dreams come true.
      1. Oleg Rosskiyy
        Oleg Rosskiyy 30 December 2012 23: 20
        +7
        Vodrak,
        You are not the only one who has the same dream, there are hundreds of millions of us and we are all connected by the St. George Ribbon of the People - the Winner.
      2. ulugbek
        ulugbek 1 January 2013 21: 47
        0
        I agree with you, but I do not think that your dream will come true.
    6. zelenchenkov.petr1
      zelenchenkov.petr1 30 December 2012 20: 49
      -4
      And why the hell do we need them, then again to live at the expense of mos ... ka..lei damned and fight for independence ..... from them ?!
    7. Alx1miK
      Alx1miK 31 December 2012 03: 27
      +5
      Personally, I believe that if a Eurasian Union is to be created, then it should pursue much greater goals than the USSR, and unite many more countries. A sort of "alternative" to the EU, NATO and dynamically developing China. I think including countries, from Mongolia to Iran, will be one of the goals. And of course, equality, with a common army, economy and political line. This should work :)
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 31 December 2012 16: 45
        +3
        A very sensible idea, Alchemist! Mongolia, Iran and even Turkey should be in our zone. If these countries join us, we can get a lot and at the same time solve long-term problems (in the Caspian, for example). We will sell education to the Turks, and the Turks will launch a tourist service here. Iran will give us access to the Persian Gulf and strengthen our oil and gas consortium. And we protect Iran from foreign invasions. Mongolia has large reserves of minerals, and it is also a territory to protect Russia from China. And we give the Mongols military equipment and investment in industry. Etc.
        Still need to firmly economically and culturally tie Finland.
        The best form for the Eurasian Union is something like the Swiss Confederation. The presidents are the leaders of their countries in turn, in each republic - its own state language and its cultural laws, but the main attributes of the state are common.
        As a Kazakh, it is important for me that there is no Russification. For me this is a sensitive topic. I think that the Iranians and the Mongols are also not burning to become Russified peoples, but at the same time, the main thing is to have respect for each other culturally. And enrich each other with their traditions, without prejudice to their own culture.
        1. lotus04
          lotus04 31 December 2012 19: 39
          +3
          Only the veiled "Star of David" should be removed. Don't get me wrong. And so they have already crept into all spheres. Israel alone is enough.
        2. Val_y
          Val_y 3 January 2013 17: 30
          +2
          You know whether Delles spoke about languages ​​in the USSR or not, the second question, but without uniformity there will be no order. Education how? Technical reference books, SNiPs, ENiR, RD how (you are in Kazakhstan, what do you think, what standards do you use, eh? And I will answer you with the USSR.) And with the money, as you suppose. Well and most importantly, I, like you, was born in the USSR, although the Ukrainian SSR, and I did not feel any infringement about Russification. If you want to study at a Ukrainian school, you want to study in Russian (Nazi’s enemies about language abuses), half of the relatives studied in Ukrainian schools, half in Russian). So if you unite completely, and the middle of the half all one will not work as with the CIS. All republics have debts, like fleas from mongrels, and thieves that make them are untouchable.
          P.S. Give GOD good luck to comrade VV and bring EAC to the end
    8. _Colonel_
      _Colonel_ 2 January 2013 07: 29
      +1
      Eurasian Union: a look into the future


      After the EEU summit failed in the spring, where Kazakhstan and Belarus refused to transfer powers to supranational bodies in Moscow, the prospects for the EEU became completely illusory. And if you remember how many times it was announced that numerous "willing" persons have joined the EAEU-CU dressing room, then this list is off the charts, but things are still there. Where are Finland, Serbia, Syria, New Zealand, Turkey, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, Switzerland, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia, who have “repeatedly entered” the CU? The only thing is that you can measure the time when Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan will hang like a powerful yoke on the Russian budget.
  2. Karish
    Karish 30 December 2012 09: 08
    -10
    I pinned the card in the title. The Baltic states were separated, and Georgia. Moldova, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan - inside (I mean about countries that do not position themselves as allies of Russia, and some are outright enemies)
    And the capital in Moscow - the same contributes to the unification (in the minds of the republics to be joined) Like Ukraine, Belarus. Kazakhstan, etc. - they certainly will bend with it laughingSavit in front of yourself is a real goal or in order to become great Russia does not have enough of its resources (territory, population, minerals, scientific potential) Why collect (I do not want to say scumbag, but some candidates for accession perceive this in Russia)? Get another EU - where Russia will feed poor relatives.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 30 December 2012 09: 36
      +10
      Karish,
      I think that is exactly what the map of the future Union will look like. All States - Shards b. The USSR, except for Russia, is objects, not subjects of international politics. Life will make you unite. Everyone will find their place. I really hope that the Union will not be reborn at the expense of Russia and the Russian people. Past mistakes cannot be repeated. And the Baltic states are already cut off chunks, maybe it’s for the better.
    2. Town Guard
      Town Guard 30 December 2012 12: 11
      +2
      Quote: Karish
      Get another EU - where Russia will feed poor relatives.

      When Russia is going to cooperate with someone or work constructively or even unite - pro-Western people and the media immediately use a manipulative trick - that they will allegedly feed poor relatives, that everything will be at the expense of Russia, that Russia will attract partners with its wealth, and so on in the same When the United States acts the same way - these people have completely different words - "strengthening friendship, helping to establish democracy, democratic cooperation, etc." How much the United States does not invest in AFagnistan, normal security forces have not been created. And who is feeding the poor here. relatives and throws money down the drain? And another example - Israel is the same poor relative, if it receives money from the United States for the iron dome and so on. It is strange - neither oil from them nor gas in exchange for US assistance - assistance is provided unilaterally. The US is helping out for nothing, practically free of charge. And who would talk about poor relatives, being them?
      1. mda
        mda 31 December 2012 17: 04
        0
        Quote: Guardian of the city
        And who would talk about poor relatives, being himself?

        Who is called, that is what is called.
      2. Ssherssen
        Ssherssen 2 January 2013 15: 00
        -4
        So I say. The US stupidly gives money and resources to its allies, but what does Russia give to its friends? Even gas prices are European! What kind of friendship can we talk about ???? Those who do not understand this are blind and deaf.
        1. Allegedly
          Allegedly 3 January 2013 23: 47
          +2
          I'm certainly not an expert, but I have an opinion. Even such worthless allies like Belarus, the Russian Federation gives 10 times more than they deserve. But Ukraine is not an ally, Ukraine is an outright enemy, there are no people (although the more to the west, the more this is a more contentious issue), no, I'm talking about power ...

          Even Germany is a greater ally for the Russian Federation than Ukraine. Nowhere in the world are they driving so cruelly and persecuting neo-Nazis as in Germany, and there are 501 reasons for this, but neo-Nazis are sick people. If you were to be anti-Semite to the end, then it means you had to send all the Christian apostles to a concentration camp? But what about Jesus Christ? And in Ukraine, a frank pro-fascist party is elected to the parliament, as you want to understand? In Germany, any connection with neo-Nazi is a disgrace and a cross on a career. Even if someone once fought against someone, well, everything happens, then they are not proud of it, they are ashamed of it ...

          In the courtyard of the 21st century !!! I will lay my bones at demonstrations and referenda, but in the EU I hope Ukraine will never be ...

          Ambassadors of UWB give diplomas and epaulets to SBU graduates, negative some fucking shame ...
        2. Lich
          Lich 4 January 2013 21: 31
          0
          Quote: Ssherssen
          So I say. The US stupidly gives money and resources to its allies, but what does Russia give to its friends? Even gas prices are European! What kind of friendship can we talk about ???? Those who do not understand this are blind and deaf.


          So, in your opinion, only those who give money and that’s all can be friends? fool And look at your USA and Russia. Americans live on debts above the roof, they all live only on credit, and the money that they give is bloody extracted and laundered by killing violence and robbing citizens of weaker countries than theirs, which cannot really snap. Are these your friends?
    3. Sashatula
      Sashatula 30 December 2012 12: 18
      +5
      And who were these poor rodstenniki as part of the Union?
      Personally, I can name a contribution to the common piggy bank in almost every republic, well, and besides, the little finger is weak and not needed, but the fist cannot be obtained without it.
    4. von_Richten
      von_Richten 30 December 2012 12: 51
      0
      I agree with this point of view. We have invested enough in all these republics, but what in return? As the wind of perestroika breathed, so we became occultists for almost all of these republics. This Eurasian Union is not viable. IMHO, Russia can unite with a maximum of 3-4 republics of the former USSR (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Transnistria / Moldova - the list is given in decreasing order of chance), and the rest will be just parasites.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 30 December 2012 14: 27
        +2
        I do not agree with you, each former republic of the USSR has its advantages, just because of the weakness of the political and economic, they are not able to develop it (of course, there are exceptions), you need to invest in these former republics as a state (for example, in education) so business! And they will calmly work all at home, and not roam around Russia in search of work! wink Something like this, all with the coming! drinks
        1. orfo
          orfo 30 December 2012 15: 15
          0
          let's first deal with reductions and all sorts of optimizations in economic terms. The same schools and hospitals are uniting and enlarging; more recently, they have taken up universities.
      2. Vodrak
        Vodrak 30 December 2012 20: 17
        +4
        Why did you decide that it was you (the RSFSR) who invested in the republics? If you understand anything about economics, then you should know what promising investments are. As a result of the "investments" of the RSFSR, mind you mostly not financial, Central Asia began to produce raw materials for the textile industry of the central regions of Russia. This allowed at the dawn of Soviet power to have their own raw materials within one country. Remember the phrase "Tashkent is a city of bread". The Caspian republics produced oil that helped boost industry during the era of industrialization. There is also Kazakhstan, which gave more than half of all metals used in the Great Patriotic War. Thanks to resistance in Ukraine and Belarus, the Soviet Union was able to concentrate its armed forces on the approaches to Moscow and stop the Teutons. Should I continue or have you already understood why we all need one country, even in your interests?
        1. von_Richten
          von_Richten 30 December 2012 21: 39
          +1
          And what isn't it? To even get hold of what you mentioned, you had to invest. And in the days of RI, where were all the finances? Simple logic. The Caspian Sea is no longer needed, because there is Siberia and the Far East. By the way, you may not have noticed that for the Russian Federation, in my opinion, it is promising to unite only "with 3-4 republics of the former USSR (Belarus, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and Transnistria / Moldova)". Those. Your speculations on them are meaningless. And yes, I believe that Russia first needs to reach full self-sufficiency, and then only to unite and integrate with someone.
    5. Vodrak
      Vodrak 30 December 2012 19: 50
      +7
      It seems that you did not live in the USSR. Believe me, the matter is not in the territories, not in the number of people. The point is in the thinking of people. And most want to live in one country. Most, despite being proud of their national roots, want to live in a united country.
    6. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 30 December 2012 23: 24
      +4
      Karish,
      All you have to do is laugh stupidly, owning a "state" the size of a vegetable garden. lol
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 2 January 2013 01: 02
        +4
        Quote: Oleg Rosskiyy
        All you have to do is laugh stupidly, owning a "state" the size of a vegetable garden.


        A state where there is still no Constitution.

        The Israeli Constitution is not a formally adopted fundamental state law. The Israeli Constitution is in the process of being created through the adoption of the Basic Laws of Israel.
        At the end of 2010, eleven Basic Laws had already been passed, the content of which could form a significant part of the future constitution. Nevertheless, lawyers believe that all the basic laws necessary to create a complete constitution have not yet been adopted, and the legislator has not yet been able to develop consensus draft laws. It is noteworthy that after the so-called constitutional revolution of the 90s of the last century, the Knesset did not adopt any new fundamental law

        Wiki

        This is probably explained by the TCM that the Constitution is completely based on Western principles of democracy for Israel is not suitable for ideological and religious reasons. But the one that corresponds to them will immediately cause misunderstanding in the world community ..

        SPIRITUAL POLITICAL CONSTITUTION OF THE ISRAELI STATE

        We, the Council of Rabbis of Israel, have approved this Constitution, since it gives the people of Israel the right to live in peace and in the knowledge of God, serving him in their affairs.
        We, the World Council of Jews, expressing the will of all Jews in the world, have approved this Constitution, expressing the divine essence of the people of Israel, chosen in truth.
        Article 1.
        The name of the state is the Union State of Israel.
        The capital of the country is Jerusalem.
        Supreme sovereignty belongs to the Lord.
        Article 2.
        Israel is the God-chosen state of all Jews in the Holy Land.
        Israel constitutes itself a democratic, social, legal state with a God-given form of government.
        Israel is a union of the three kingdoms of Israel: Zion, Judea and Samaria
        Article 3.
        Israel embraces all Jews with its spiritual authority.
        All Jews can be citizens of Israel as the homeland of all Jews.
        Article 4.
        Every Jew must practice Judaism, which is the religion of the Jewish people.
        Judaism alone allows a Jew to be a Jew as part of the God-chosen people of Israel

        Completely here

        Essentially no different from radical Islam.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 2 January 2013 01: 14
          +2
          state laws in Israel are passed by the Knesset (parliament). It consists of Jews and Arabs, and only a quarter of the Jews who are members of the Knesset recognize the Torah as the highest “legal” document.
          Then the pro-Jewish politicians are faced with a dilemma: either pass these laws by recognizing Israel as a non-Jewish state (the majority of whose citizens are Jews), or, considering it a Jewish state, in every way impede the adoption of the Constitution (which by definition will be non-Jewish, due to the composition of the Knesset
          Historically, that Knesset religious deputies prefer to opt for the second option: consider Israel a Jewish state and prevent the adoption of the Constitution.
          non-religious deputies found a way to overcome resistance - religious: in the Knesset, everyones are accepted "Basic laws" of which the Constitution will gradually emerge. And, since the word “Constitution” is not pronounced at the same time, religious deputies are not able to slow down the development of this process.
          Therefore, in Israel, the country's constitution is still did not work out
    7. Ascetic
      Ascetic 1 January 2013 23: 47
      +2
      Quote: Karish
      Pin the card in the title


      "Star of David" instead of Moscow .. Although .. not far from the truth .. if you look at the white-tape opposition, writers, pgavozdetniki and of course the inhabitants of Rublevka and the development project of Skolkovo-bankers-oligarchs.

      Star of David over the Kremlin burns with fire
      1. Cavas
        Cavas 1 January 2013 23: 51
        +1
        Ascetic,
        Achketische, if you still tell me why it’s so bad!))
        That is generally! hi

        Open your page on the site, such as do not eat a lot of noodles! or which alcohol is harmful to Russian officers, why not ???? !!)))) wassat
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 2 January 2013 01: 23
          +3
          Quote: Cavas
          if you still tell me why it’s so bad!))


          Do not buy snickers in shops and everything will be fine smile

          1. Cavas
            Cavas 2 January 2013 01: 37
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic
            Do not buy snickers in shops and everything will be fine

            Stanislav !!!! hi Where do you get them from (videos) ??? good
            Anyway, you will be at Mashzavod (and you will be there) to exchange experience, call. hi
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 2 January 2013 01: 38
        +1
        Ascetic
        I have no doubt that there are enough rich Jews in the Russian Federation. However, it is still interesting to read Lice sources both on the ethnic composition of Rublevka and on the bankers of the Russian Federation. Maybe it won't bother you to share them, unless, of course, the information you publish does not have the "Sov. Secret" stamp
        1. Cavas
          Cavas 2 January 2013 01: 45
          +3
          Aron Zaavi,



          Я So I don’t understand. what are you Moishe seeking?
          That I posted on the site as you yourself do not love ???

          Stop, for further, you will only feel bad !!! hi
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 2 January 2013 01: 55
            -3
            Cavas
            My name is Aron, this is not Nick. I'm not hiding behind nicknames.
            Then, in this case, I did not address you, because you are not a very interesting interlocutor. So get worn out. Mr. "Ascetic" if he finds it necessary to answer me.
            1. Cavas
              Cavas 2 January 2013 02: 01
              +2
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Cavas
              My name is Aron, this is not Nick. I'm not hiding behind nicknames.

              In what way?
              And still give a weak address, so that the next time the Arabs sent the pipe correctly!)))
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Then, in this case, I did not contact you, because you are not a very interesting person.

              In one post, two attempts at manipulation !!))
              Himself not ashamed ???))) laughing

              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              So get worn out. Mr. "Ascetic" if he finds it necessary to answer me.

              Sorry, three !!)) wassat
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 2 January 2013 02: 12
                +1
                Cavas
                Can you publish your own on the "Kavkazcentre"? There is someone to visit you too.
                Yes, there is no manipulation. I turned to Mr. Asket, do you agree? You considered it possible to interfere in a boorish manner and at the same time your post, in addition to trying to earn several advantages on cheap anti-Semitism, does not carry any information. Am I mistaken or your post answered my questions?
                1. Cavas
                  Cavas 2 January 2013 02: 32
                  +1
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Cavas
                  Can you publish your own on the "Kavkazcentre"? There is someone to visit you too.

                  What are you?))) laughing
                  Publish, the more they know me not by hearsay !!! wink
                  I will only be glad to meet old "friends". only here is such a baida, they did not survive !!))) wassat

                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  a post, besides trying to earn several advantages on cheap anti-Semitism, does not carry any information.

                  You know, something like a drum plus you put me or minus, worry about yourself, otherwise I will remember the past and minus YOU put in life !!!)) 0
                  I hope you understand what it is!))) bully
                  By the way, there .... and remind Basayev how he wanted to wash Tula with blood and what it turned out to him!))) laughing
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 2 January 2013 02: 23
              +4
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              So get worn out. Mr. "Ascetic" if he finds it necessary to answer me.


              Open the Forbes website of 200 richest businessmen of Russia - 2012
              Read more on Forbes.ru: http://www.forbes.ru/rating/sobytiya-package/lyudi/81208-200-bogateishih-biznesm


              enov-rossii-2012

              By the way, Leonid Radzikhovsky likes to write on this topic, for example, here
              here
              Jewish oligarchs build a synagogue on Rublevka
              A synagogue will soon be built on Rublevka, in the most prestigious and ecologically clean "country" suburb of Moscow. As the President of the Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (FEOR) Alexander Boroda told the IzRus portal, it is intended for hundreds of millionaires Jewish descent living in this elite area. According to him, a temporary synagogue is already operating in the village on Podushkinskoye Highway, and a stationary synagogue will be erected in Zhukovka - in the immediate vicinity of luxury mansions.

              My webpage

              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 2 January 2013 22: 12
                +1
                Ascetic
                http://www.forbes.ru/rating/bogateishie-biznesmeny-rossii-2012/2012. Ну вот. Я прочитал список из 200 богатейших бизнесменов РФ. Евреи конечно присутствуют, но никак уж не более 10%. Много? Ну да с этим не поспоришь, что непропорцианально много. Но согласитесь, что по мере развития бизнеса в РФ количество непосредственно русских милиардеров становиться все больше относительно других этносов. Поскольку национальный вопрос Вас несомненно занимает, то это Вас по видимому должно радовать.
                As for the synagogue on Rublevka, you must agree that this is not all so monochromatic either. After all, we do not know the number of the population of "Rublyovka". If 30 or 50 Jewish families live there, what percentage of the population of "Rublyovka" is that?
                And the last one. In the Russian Federation, where today most of the real levers of power are from immigrant institutions of the USSR, where Jews have not smelled of Jews since the 50-X, it’s hardly worth talking about Jewish influence, even if such a phenomenon (IMHO) never existed because, unlike The USA, the Jews of the USSR received an absolutely secular education, and even more so did not have any legal Jewish organizations, etc.
                By the way, take an interest in the results of the census of the Russian Federation from 2002 of the year and from 2010. For everyone who wants the disappearance of Jews from Russia, the statistics are more than favorable.
            3. Allegedly
              Allegedly 4 January 2013 03: 14
              0
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              empty fuss


              Well, you don’t go too far, the comments are very interesting for a person. Maybe there is not enough humanism and liberalism, here you are already fired, you will not please everyone ...

              And here the guest of the studio - Colonel Walter Hollander, whose mother was Jewish, received Hitler’s personal diploma, in which the Führer certified the Aryanism of this Halachic Jew (Halach - traditional Jewish law, according to which a Jew is born from a Jewish mother. - K. K .). The same certificates of "German blood" were signed by Hitler for dozens of senior officers of Jewish descent.

              That also happens...
      3. Vufel
        Vufel 2 January 2013 13: 17
        0
        Star of David is actually six-pointed. The one above the Kremlin - the pentagram - the Masonic symbol of man, inverted - the symbol of Satan.
        1. Allegedly
          Allegedly 4 January 2013 03: 20
          -1
          And I always thought that a five-pointed star is a cropped six-pointed star ...
  3. Apollo
    Apollo 30 December 2012 09: 25
    0
    Strange as it may seem, it was the European Union (cracking at the seams) that in my opinion put an end to the Eurasian Union.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 30 December 2012 09: 59
      +3
      I will explain my thought
      the quote-idea of ​​the Eurasian Union was not put forward by comrade Putin, but by Nursultan Nazarbayev. And not in 2010, but in 1994.

      Exactly in the 1994 year. Then there were more chances than now, and the EU was not in the state it is in now. Everything is known in comparison.
  4. WW3
    WW3 30 December 2012 09: 40
    +10
    If the President of Russia, in 2011, saw the Eurasian Union as tomorrow’s reality, comparing it with the EU, then at the end of 2012, Hillary Clinton was frightened by the coming “re-Sovietization”.

    The Eurasian Union is the future, but Hillary Clinton is the past... wrote off her ... wink
    1. Cavas
      Cavas 30 December 2012 11: 25
      +3
      Quote: WW3
      Hillary Clinton is the past ... deducted her

      Do you think it will come better? laughing
      1. WW3
        WW3 30 December 2012 11: 34
        +9
        Well, Rice was a little smarter, Hilary - a complete brake ....
        But what will happen if you "cross" Hillary and Condoleezza laughing wassat
        1. Serg_Y
          Serg_Y 30 December 2012 17: 56
          -10
          These are great Women, there are simply too many free riders in the country, men have long surrendered. soldier
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 31 December 2012 08: 01
            +2
            Quote: Serg_Y
            These are great Women, there are simply too many free riders in the country, men have long surrendered.


            Yeah !!! And in fact, the great ones - only the third great one is missing Monika Lewinsky ... Well, they would all come together and organize a competition of great blowjobs for the great Bill in the sight of the whole world - so to speak, an illustrative lesson in democracy from the first persons :))) )))))))))))))
            1. Serg_Y
              Serg_Y 31 December 2012 15: 00
              0
              Interfere with this fool from the Clint, wow! The only thing she had the brains for this dress with traces of Damn to save, the book probably did not write herself.
            2. WW3
              WW3 2 January 2013 21: 06
              +2
              Quote: Selevc
              Monica Lewinsky is still missing the third great one ... Here they would all come together and organize a competition of great minetetz for the great Bill in full view of the whole world - so to speak, an obvious lesson from first-person democracy

              Bill taught them how to play the saxophone .... he already spits Obamkin’s wife ...
            3. Allegedly
              Allegedly 4 January 2013 03: 23
              0
              Quote: Selevc
              lacking Monica Lewinsky ...


              You don’t have to get Monica involved in a lesbian company, you don’t have to ...

              She may still have to be president ...
        2. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 2 January 2013 22: 33
          0
          Quote: WW3
          But what will happen if you "cross" Hillary and Condoleezza

          the bottom line is ---- Cowboy BUSH
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 30 December 2012 23: 50
      +1
      wrote off - and okay. but for fidelity it would be worth driving an aspen stake ......
    3. Gecko
      Gecko 31 December 2012 14: 03
      0
      US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was hospitalized at the Presbyterian Hospital in New York due to a blood clot found in her.
      The appearance of a blood clot was caused by a concussion that occurred at Clinton in mid-December.
      In early December, Clinton suffered a viral intestinal infection. Due to dehydration caused by the disease, she lost consciousness on December 15 and, having fallen, got a concussion.
      1. tomket
        tomket 31 December 2012 22: 52
        +1
        shawarma ate ???? or diarrhea made it from the fact that the Soviet Union is objecting ???? crap in the process))))
  5. Mails
    Mails 30 December 2012 09: 43
    +1
    In the Eurasian Union, the necessary countries such as: Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia. The rest of the former Republics are in question. Although Georgia is in doubt.
  6. psv_company
    psv_company 30 December 2012 10: 51
    0
    And on YouTube everyone fucks that Putin is a Jew, a dumbass, a dictator and something that is ruining the country: Pfff, let’s go fuck you gang * darned !!!!
  7. Legion
    Legion 30 December 2012 11: 00
    +3
    I certainly do, it wouldn’t have happened that open borders would flood Russia with a huge number of migrants who would bring down the price of labor ...
  8. mikula
    mikula 30 December 2012 11: 14
    -22
    Then soon Tatarstan will have to be erased from the map of Russia, and you still have memories of the great Soviet Deputies. Advice to all Omperts - forget about the past for now. Save at least what remains. Minus but think. And then for the memories of the great past, you can tear out the remaining present!
    1. bootlegger
      bootlegger 30 December 2012 11: 34
      +5
      Before you separate Tatarstan, you must first look at the map. I strongly suspect that Tatarstan had long had the same thoughts, but geography quickly brought everyone to life.
    2. Nymp
      Nymp 30 December 2012 14: 51
      +7
      Quote: mikula
      Advice to all Omperts - forget about the past for now.
      We’ll manage without your advice. Sit in Germany have a beer sausages.
      1. mikula
        mikula 30 December 2012 15: 28
        -14
        Nimp (2) -We can do without your advice. Sit in Germany have a beer sausages.

        But you don’t think that at the speed of pan Tyagnybok you and people like you, not only beer with lard but also will not give bread.
        1. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 30 December 2012 19: 16
          +3
          at the speed of pan Tyagnybok - you and people like you - not only that beer with lard but also will not give bread

          and who is this?
        2. Baboon
          Baboon 30 December 2012 22: 07
          +3
          Do you already have Tatarstan separated from Russia in the West? You can also hear this from any intellectuals in Russia, they do not work, and there are no special premises for separation. Tatarstan is very strongly tied to Russia economically, culturally and sportingly.
        3. Oleg Rosskiyy
          Oleg Rosskiyy 31 December 2012 00: 02
          +2
          mikula,
          "Pan-tyagnibok", he feeds himself from someone else's, hairy paw, but about bread, we are one with the Ukrainians - one people, we will soon be reunited with our brothers from Eastern Ukraine, which by the way feeds the western one, into the union state, and all yours " injections "are all that you are capable of from your impotence.
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 31 December 2012 18: 00
            +4
            Quote: Oleg Rosskiyy
            "Pan-tyagnibok", he feeds himself from someone else's, hairy paw, but about bread, we are one with the Ukrainians - one people, we will soon reunite with our brothers from Eastern Ukraine, which by the way feeds Western

            " Geopolitics of Ukraine - an imported product, an “intellectual duplicate” of Western geopolitics, primarily Polish (Jozef Pilsudski, Juliusz Meroszewski, Wlodzimierz Bonczkowski). Among the developers of the geopolitical theories of Ukraine were ethnic Poles - M. Kolodzinsky, N. Sciborsky. The analytical centers and political bodies of the Ukrainian geopolitics were located abroad - the Y. Lipa Black Sea Institute was located in Warsaw, D. Dontsov's Union for the Liberation of Ukraine - in Vienna. The role of Ukraine in the international arena does not change. It still remains an outlying state on the border of two worlds without the prospect of becoming a strong power. Warsaw with its centuries-old traditions of Polish statehood does not succeed, and there are no prerequisites for Kiev to succeed. In accordance with the geopolitical theories of Ukrainian nationalists, Ukraine is assigned by default the role of Poland in the confrontation between the countries of the collective West and Russia. The displacement of the civilizational “front line” from Polish territory to the territory of Ukraine frees Poland from the need to be a permanent arena of clashes between the two worlds, since the main conflicts will be played out directly on Ukrainian lands. Poland will remain in the rear of this struggle. This will turn Ukraine into a “poor relative,” relying on the West in everything. In a sociological section, the geopolitics of Ukraine expresses the opinions of a maximum of 15% of the population (Western Ukraine) versus the remaining 85% (center and southeast of the country). Between the Ukrainian idea and pro-Nazi views lies an extremely short ideological distance. The strictly “Ukrainian” format of thinking, wherever the carrier of this format lived - in Western Ukraine or in another region of the country, implies at least a partial justification of collaboration and confrontation with the Red Army during the Second World War. Ukraine is the most harmful ideological injection of American Orthodoxy into the body of the Russian world. Ukraine works for the overseas pole of power, weakens pan-Slavic ideas directly on the borders of Russia and Belarus.http: //alternathistory.org.ua/ukrainstvo-naibolee-vredonosn
            aya-ideolo
            gicheskaya-inektsiya-amerikanoslavizma-v-telo-russkogo-mira
            1. Vufel
              Vufel 2 January 2013 13: 43
              +1
              alternathistory.org.ua is a very, very authoritative source. Certainly. The very word Ukraine was invented by the Austrian General Staff. Dontsov, Lipa and others like them are undoubtedly secret agents of the Anglo-Saxon-Jewish-Masonic organizations. By the way, the Austrians also invented borsch, and dumplings and dumplings. All hahlyatsky folk songs were also written in the 19th century by Austrians. And Russians began to call themselves ukrami, who forgot that they were really Russians! This is a whole disaster. It is necessary that collective amnesia has attacked several tens of millions of snouts. They all need to be treated. Whom we cannot cure - shoot, in short, finish the work of our grandfathers. Although, the fight will be very fierce. khakhly supported by agents of the CIA, Mossad, James Bond, Anunnaki and other "snakes" in no way want to get on the path of correction. But we know that the victory will be ours. Glory to all Rus! Putin, Lenin and Christ are with us!
      2. mda
        mda 31 December 2012 17: 17
        +1
        Quote: Nymp
        Sit in Germany

        He is from Israel. Hover over the flag, IL will pop out there.
      3. Raven
        Raven 1 January 2013 02: 27
        +2
        Comrades! I would have joined Poland with Germany. And then suddenly 4 Reich riveted?
        1. Ssherssen
          Ssherssen 2 January 2013 15: 12
          +1
          But in the FOURTH REICH I would have entered!
      4. Allegedly
        Allegedly 4 January 2013 14: 37
        0
        Quote: Nymp
        have a beer in Germany


        The flag is German, but the country of Israel ...
        I don’t understand why to hide something? Flag as a flag. More beautiful than the Baltic states every 10 ...
    3. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 30 December 2012 15: 20
      -2
      If you talk like that, then maybe the End of the World can be remembered right away?
    4. Goldkonstantin
      Goldkonstantin 30 December 2012 17: 01
      0
      Look, do not flood with the troll! Russia is eternal and inseparable!
    5. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 30 December 2012 18: 35
      +2
      and how do you imagine this - the whole of the Urals was behind the Tatars and Bashkirs - there will be some kind of foolishness from these formations and then the people themselves will take up the club - my mother lives in the Tatars - my uncle works - they all say that a bunch of dollars. bo.ebov for the loot pretends that they are cool peppers.
    6. Vodrak
      Vodrak 30 December 2012 20: 35
      +4
      It makes no sense to minus you. for you, it seems to me too complicated. Yes, we live in memories of the past, and looking at our past we are trying to create (or rather create) our great future. We believe in our future, unlike you.
    7. Gecko
      Gecko 31 December 2012 14: 00
      -2
      Tatars have no choice, all their well-being is based on the fact that they sell their products throughout Russia. And if they peel off they simply block the entire border around the entire perimeter (this is not the Caucasus for you), do not forget that in Tatarstan the Russians are half the population.
  9. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 30 December 2012 11: 18
    +5
    Quote: WW3
    The Eurasian Union is the future, but Hillary Clinton is the past ... they were written off

    Clinton’s opinion doesn’t really interest anyone, nor does the opinion of Amerocosia
  10. Kapitanyuk
    Kapitanyuk 30 December 2012 11: 23
    +7
    If Putin really creates the Eurasian Union ... I personally will start raising money for the construction of his monument in our city.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 30 December 2012 11: 42
      +9
      Then it’s better to put a monument to Nazarbayev. Idea of ​​it. For 20 years, he has been hammering on all CIS leaders with this project.
      1. Svobodny
        Svobodny 30 December 2012 12: 57
        +1
        To Erdogan also with this project? Millennial Russia is hardly a project of Nazarbayev, with all due respect to his merits in the field of the post-Soviet association.
        1. Vodrak
          Vodrak 30 December 2012 20: 24
          +4
          Nazarbayev, with all his tendency to unite the Turks, had the mind not to go far from the USSR. This is a very smart decision.
    2. The cat
      The cat 30 December 2012 11: 44
      -10
      Quote: Kapitanyuk
      If Putin really creates the Eurasian Union ... I personally will start raising money for the construction of his monument in our city

      You will start better now, it will be more reliable.
      1. Vufel
        Vufel 2 January 2013 13: 48
        -1
        How can you, merciless, say such a thing about Comrade Putin and wish him that! Be banned by you and ruthlessly minus! Shame and shame! The anger of visitors to this site is righteous and terrible!
    3. Raven
      Raven 1 January 2013 02: 29
      +1
      Sorry, but we only collect money for our "Father". In Minsk we will put it in the center; good
  11. Svobodny
    Svobodny 30 December 2012 12: 55
    +3
    Unfortunately, we do not observe the unification that we represent, and which, for the most part, we want, i.e., in fact, political unification, that is, the reunification of the country. At the forefront is the idea of ​​the sovereignty of each state. The old man is his own king. Elbasy - to themselves. Putin to himself. They constantly emphasize, making excuses: "We are not re-creating the USSR, we only have economic cooperation."
    1. Vodrak
      Vodrak 30 December 2012 20: 28
      +4
      It will pass .... They will run into independence and go home. Enough. people are tired of it.
    2. Raven
      Raven 1 January 2013 02: 31
      +1
      Do not touch But father, holy. One way or another in a small country without ex. res. restored the economy and created a decent state-in. Poor but fair
  12. George
    George 30 December 2012 13: 38
    +2
    the union that everyone imagines in my opinion is now not possible due to the lack of a single, consolidating ideology. An ideology that would be the basis for joint action. Until such a thing is observed. Economic cooperation? In my opinion, there are enough examples of how money brings together for the time being.
  13. Ramldor
    Ramldor 30 December 2012 13: 41
    -10
    Azerbaycan pas ... pravda ne xatim realno ne xatim ... uje xvatiti 200let podcineniye v Maskvu ... pravda yesli vi opyat siloy zavoyovete unas net takoy sili shotbi prepodstavit protiv Rassiyi ... tolko drujskiye sosedniye otqo. ..
    1. Bezarius
      Bezarius 30 December 2012 14: 25
      +8
      Dear, the "attendance" of your citizens of our country suggests otherwise.
    2. Nymp
      Nymp 30 December 2012 14: 56
      +4
      For God's sake! Love will not be sweet! But the older generation of Azerbaijanis is probably not against it! So that you do not warrant for the whole country! Express your opinion purely.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 30 December 2012 23: 56
        +1
        they now have x on the elders ..... lay down ---- he saw
      2. Ssherssen
        Ssherssen 2 January 2013 15: 22
        +1
        The older generation is becoming a thing of the past every year, as are the ideas that it carried. Here is an example for you. My brother is only 10 years older, and already voted for Tyagnybok. But I didn’t have a single grandfather or grandmother in my family. Who should vote for the union? In Ukraine, the Communist Party is no longer gaining a passing ball in the Rada. It is a fact. In order to get there, they had to consolidate with the socialists and ultra-left. Like this. Five more years and the Communists in the Parliament will not.
    3. omsbon
      omsbon 30 December 2012 15: 04
      +3
      If you cannot write in Russian (although you can be sure), then do not write, there is no desire to disassemble the scribbles. We don’t want it, you enter the same faces on the market. Don't like it then come on boredom! So no snot come out, but even the deafness of your fellow tribesmen cannot be knocked out of the borders of my Homeland! Although if you take a lot of stakes ...........
      1. orfo
        orfo 30 December 2012 15: 23
        +1
        and it never occurred to him that he didn’t have a Russian keyboard?
        1. Focuser
          Focuser 30 December 2012 18: 53
          +1
          but it never occurred to you that you can somehow get out? http://translit.ru/
          1. SlavaP
            SlavaP 30 December 2012 22: 13
            +2
            Not everyone knows about Translit, so do not offend people how much in vain
            1. Focuser
              Focuser 30 December 2012 22: 29
              +1
              I didn’t start to offend, I just continued. And about translit.ru I always say, because this will work on other sites. And even in the form of an answer to topwar.ru there is a translation from transliteration into Russian, so the absence of a Russian keyboard is not an argument.
        2. Vodrak
          Vodrak 30 December 2012 20: 40
          +2
          It's not about the keyboard, but about the speed of Russian speech. Although the meaning is more or less clear.
    4. orfo
      orfo 30 December 2012 15: 22
      -1
      I speak for myself, but for me personally, any cooperation other than economic looks doubtful.
    5. mar.tira
      mar.tira 30 December 2012 15: 33
      +3
      Quote: Rambldor
      Azerbaijan pas

      Don't say a gop until you jump over! There are comrades from Azerbaijan who regret the collapse of the country, and are ready to prove it with arms in their hands, when reconstructing the Union of Republics. Forum members are witnesses that this is not a lie!
  14. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 30 December 2012 13: 57
    -1
    Why do we need parasites from Central Asia? These are crowds of uneducated and ignorant people. Look at the statistics of crimes ..... Who sells drugs? I think the answer is obvious .... We need to unite with brothers Ukrainians and Belarusians, there are no problems with them as much as with Asians. This "union" is just necrophilia, and nothing more. The issue of unification can only be resolved through a national referendum. The Eurasian Union is the way to the abyss.
    1. orfo
      orfo 30 December 2012 15: 24
      -1
      especially "glad" to immigrants from uzbekistan who are members of ethnic criminal gangs
    2. Vodrak
      Vodrak 30 December 2012 21: 07
      +3
      Lord, how many of you are such narrow-minded children (perhaps not by age, but by knowledge of history) on this site !!!!! Learn the story !!!! What did Ukraine give you with its fat? What did Belarus give you with its lack of natural resources in general !! Yes, the Soviet Union became a power mainly thanks to Central Asia. And believe me, the Soviet leaders were far from fools fighting for the establishment of Soviet power in the Central Asian republics. Learn history so as not to be considered a stupid person (to say the least). And I have said and said many times to Russians living in Russia: don’t think that you are feeding the former Soviet republics, don’t think that you brought something great to these republics. Russia (at that time the RSFSR) gave away the knowledge left from the Russian Empire, and in return received a huge amount of resources, which, when the RSFSR was isolated in the 20-30s, made it possible to build what they still fear all over the world.
      1. SlavaP
        SlavaP 30 December 2012 22: 19
        +3
        Indeed, why hang tags. Yes, we are all different, but it is better to find a common ground and build on this. And the path to this should lie through referenda and a clear statement of the rights and obligations of the union. That is, first work on the Constitution of the future association and bring it to the discussion of all potential candidates. And then - if he took up the tug ...
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 30 December 2012 23: 04
        +3
        Your statement is just as ridiculous as the right of Kosovo Albanians to statehood, Ukraine is a cloydak of various resources (Donbass coal), production facilities (shipyards in Nikolaev). Ukraine was not for nothing called the granary of the USSR, since it produced the lion's share of agricultural products. In Ukraine, practical a pure gene pool of Slavs. Ukrainians do not shout Islamic slogans on the streets, they don’t dance in the streets. With Belarus everything is generally similar, but it is poorer, but we managed not to slander industry. Only Russia, Ukraine and Belarus.
        1. Vodrak
          Vodrak 31 December 2012 06: 54
          +2
          I completely agree with you! In Ukraine, Belarus and Russia, INDUSTRY has been preserved. And in Central Asia - RESOURCES. Industry cannot exist without resources. In order to do something, you need to make something out of it. And in this regard, the Central Asian republics are so necessary to both Russia and Belarus. And stop rushing with the Slavic gene pool. Why are Russians in Central Asia genetically messier than you? Judging by what I hear, normal, clean, literary Russian was generally preserved only in Kazakhstan and on television. Without dipping, shark and other additions.
          1. SlavaP
            SlavaP 31 December 2012 23: 27
            +2
            The community should be open, then you will not argue with me. I agree, you can start with Russia-Ukraine-Belarus-Kazakhstan. These countries have too much in common, and together they were longer than the rest. And when the union grows stronger - there are so many who wish that it is then possible to see - and with what kind of brothers do you go to our monastery with a charter?

            And believe me, very interesting combinations may arise in the future, because the lack of a common border and distance in our century is not a problem.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 31 December 2012 23: 59
              +1
              Quote: SlavaP
              very interesting combinations may arise in the future

              Very interesting, in this regard, the Arctic Sea Route looks + all the prospects associated with the thawing of the Russian Arctic.
    3. Vufel
      Vufel 2 January 2013 13: 51
      +2
      You, brother, are wrong. Coming out of Central Asia are our brothers. They inhabit the historical Central Asian Russia! Be them in the Union!
  15. Ivanhoe
    Ivanhoe 30 December 2012 14: 23
    +3
    Only the integration of our states will save the world.
    1. Nurker
      Nurker 31 December 2012 03: 53
      +1
      I would even say the integration of humanity into the moral type of society
  16. Nymp
    Nymp 30 December 2012 14: 59
    0
    Yeah! Amers were frightened of the tattered, extra evidence that America was interested in chaos and destabilization in our country (Russia) and throughout the post-Soviet space!
  17. Bazilevs
    Bazilevs 30 December 2012 16: 21
    +3
    Hello, I am not against integration and union, but not as it was before, not at the expense of the Russian people and the wealth of Russia, I remember how during the Soviet era our forests were cut down unmeasuredly by Poles, Czechs and so on, how our wealth and new technologies were distributed were introduced first of all in the union republics, how our Russian people built cities, power plants and factories and then hear that I am an occupier! No, I don't want such an alliance. In the new union, all signatories must pay for our resources and "brains". It's my opinion...
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 30 December 2012 18: 49
      +2
      I agree with Bazelevs - we need an alliance with Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan, approximately on the same ladder of the development of science of production and culture - our southern neighbors on which bolt ??? keep them buffer and feed them - yes, fuck you need to evict everyone from us. !!! !!!! Some people write that we don’t want to unite, but their friends and relatives work and live in Russia. My opinion is to send all Gaster to ban the export of money from the country without a declaration and if you bring Gaster to a specific project and a specific person to ask from lifelong
  18. Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin 30 December 2012 16: 59
    +2
    Let Brzezinski and Hilary drip poison, the process has begun and it can no longer be stopped! The Eurasian Union is only a matter of time! I am pleased to vote in a referendum!
  19. Mr.Fox
    Mr.Fox 30 December 2012 17: 48
    +2
    Quote: WW3
    But what will happen if you "cross" Hillary and Condoleezza


    Get some kind of Hiraise :)

    "It doesn't matter what it is called." Well, yes, you will be afraid of it anyway.

    America generally finds itself in a very bad situation. After all, the countries of the European Union are trying to get rid of the political dependence that the states imposed on them for decades. As a result, the United States will be forced to wage not an ordinary, but a competitive geopolitical "world war", and not only with Russia and China as it is now (however, with Russia so far to a lesser extent), but will also lose allies in Western Europe. Gradually, something that the Yankees opposed so much happens - three more world "centers of power" are formed at once, which will have to be reckoned with and which cannot be mastered with a quick military strike. But that's not even their problem. The fact is that against the background of strengthening Russia, strained relations with the countries of Western Europe, which de facto are already rallying around Germany, growing China, the United States itself is on the verge of economic collapse. That is why, as befits a classical empire, they are now fighting in the Middle East, trying to sow chaos there (no one canceled "divide and conquer"), pour life into their system by banal seizure of other people's resources. This can continue for quite a long time, years, if not decades. And then? That's another story ...
  20. Serg_Y
    Serg_Y 30 December 2012 17: 49
    0
    GDP "Not a feather, not a feather ...", Clint is right no matter how they unite in ideology, trade, laws, live together more effectively, and let the United States deal with its problems in its territory.
  21. homosum20
    homosum20 30 December 2012 20: 16
    +5
    Articles on this subject conclude one simple idea: either we bang them, or they bang us. No matter how rude and primitive it sounds, nevertheless - it is true.
    1. Vodrak
      Vodrak 30 December 2012 21: 16
      +3
      The topic is different: either we, contrary to all enemies, will unite and build our state, or we will simply be consumed by overseas enemies in conjunction with Islamic extremists.
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 30 December 2012 23: 35
      0
      God forbid that we them ...............
      1. Vodrak
        Vodrak 31 December 2012 06: 55
        +1
        God grant .....
  22. Per se.
    Per se. 30 December 2012 21: 26
    -1
    “As for the new integration, the principles of identity and justice, if applied by the United States, would not lead to confrontation, conflicts and an irrepressible thirst for hegemony, but to the achievement of genuine values. I would like to believe that the principles voiced will find embodiment in the EAU and will form at the core of his ideology, which would successfully compete with Washington's Machiavellian approach of "divide and rule."
  23. DeamonFIre
    DeamonFIre 30 December 2012 21: 33
    +1
    Honestly, the idea is not bad, but I like the union of the CIS countries and the EU into a single confederation. I'm tired of wars and disputes between Europeans when the danger is primarily China and the religion of Islam.
    1. Nurker
      Nurker 31 December 2012 04: 02
      +2
      What is the threat of Islam to you? in my opinion no, just do not accept it, you can’t allow national division, and even more so religious, although you are right in something. But anyway, plus you.

      Regards, Nurker
      1. Vodrak
        Vodrak 31 December 2012 07: 08
        +3
        The threat is not in Islam, but in its radical movements. And it will be until the Muslims themselves take up the eradication of these radicals.
  24. Rossmk
    Rossmk 30 December 2012 22: 27
    +1
    Piss Yankees! And they’re doing it right!
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 30 December 2012 23: 34
      +2
      good yankees --- dead yankees ............
  25. NEMO
    NEMO 30 December 2012 22: 48
    +1
    America will object to the Eurasian Union. Hillary Clinton, who knows two things for sure - Assad must leave and there will be no revival of the USSR ..........


    This one "Horror" и "Nightmare" haunting dream US State Department officials, and this ghost will still dream for a long time (until it is avenged)!
    Tremble bastards .... !!! am
    1. Nurker
      Nurker 31 December 2012 03: 56
      +5
      Nobody physically stole, all the Leader and the last president Gorbachev ruined, and the rest played Yeltsin’s hand and woo a la, the whole secret
  26. tommy1984
    tommy1984 30 December 2012 23: 04
    +5
    Everything is right, Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan need to create a union state, there is no other way.
    1. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 30 December 2012 23: 31
      +2
      tommy1984,
      There is another way, only this is the same path along which its "friends" are now leading Syria, and it is unlikely that a sane person will choose it.
  27. stroporez
    stroporez 30 December 2012 23: 33
    0
    It is necessary to clearly realize that Moscow has no worst enemies than London and Washington. and proceed from this principle in making decisions. and the Kremlin scum is trying to play "pshiyazn" with them
    1. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 31 December 2012 00: 07
      0
      It’s better to play with THEM than they will play with US, as they do with their EU sixes.
  28. rocketman
    rocketman 31 December 2012 00: 10
    0
    only bandit formations that are considered "elites" in our country, a different opinion
  29. Ssherssen
    Ssherssen 31 December 2012 15: 58
    0
    I want to ask a question. And what can Russia offer to the participants of the Eurasian Union? Apart from being a younger brother? Nothing. Belarus has already felt the brotherly "love" of Russia during the crisis. What did Russia say in response to the request for assistance? Exactly. All Russia's neighbors are wary of this analogue of the USSR. Indeed, in fact, equality in the Eurasian Union will be only on paper, but in reality there will be a dictate of the Russian will in foreign and domestic policy. Yes, yes - as Putin says, so it will be. Not everyone likes it, and not everyone wants a "big brother" under the wing. In general, I want to say. Yanukovych ALREADY did not fly to Moscow to sign the 3 + 1 agreement, call Burrow an hour before departure and said that in February 2013 there will be a Ukraine-EU summit. So you can already remove the shading of Ukraine on the map - at least 5 years, there can be no question of any 3 + 1 or 4. And Russia is behaving very arrogantly towards its friends. What is worth remembering Tuzla and the "gas wars". If Yanukovych (Putin's henchman) has quarreled with everyone in the Russian Federation, then other presidents who will replace him will have an even worse attitude to the strange and incomprehensible gestures of Moscow. Every year, political relations between Kiev and Moscow are getting worse and shaking like a pendulum. By the way, my friend recently went to St. Petersburg on an excursion, so the Russian cops trampled him into the mud. And this is not an isolated incident that makes you wonder - is the Russian government warming up the masses before another small war on the border? How was it with Georgia? Someone fired at the RF checkpoint and now South Ossetia as part of the RF. Some kind of provocation in the Crimea, they say the Arabs will blow up something and once again - Crimea is part of Russia. Moscow will play out so badly that when China tramples in the east, everyone will only laugh and bet - who will win.
    And here is another brick for you - look at the neighbors of Russia and tell me how many friends she has left? Look at the western border - there is only one Finland left, but someone in the south. And the East is just such a nightmare. I'm talking about until now an unsigned peace treaty with Japan and hiding China. Exactly.
    And what about the fact that the USSR helped everyone and sent resources ... And how much money does the United States send to Israel? Shut up? So we are not playing in the sand, and you ALWAYS have to pay something for support on the world stage. Where is money, and where is resources. And what indulgences did Russia make to its allies? Nothing? So maybe she's not a friend at all? Is he just pretending? There are a lot of questions, but in response from any Russian I hear only insults such as "saloed", etc. etc.
    1. Nurker
      Nurker 31 December 2012 16: 31
      +1
      And one more great advice to the Russians. In less or do not watch them at all, channels: ORT, Russia 1, TNT, RenTV, MirTV, TV3. Through these channels there is a huge fooling and propaganda of the Russian people that supposedly your neighbors are radishes, they take everything from the Russians. Especially the X-Files on MirTV
      1. orfo
        orfo 31 December 2012 17: 50
        0
        suggest CNN watch? I have long concluded that for completeness, you need several different sources of information that the Internet. I am not opposed to covering TNT and RenTV, there is nothing interesting there. TV3 you do not like theories of the apocalypse and all nonsense? Our neighbors are not without sin and do not disdain curse Russia mother how much in vain. Politicians are the same everywhere, but with their cockroaches.
        1. Nurker
          Nurker 31 December 2012 22: 57
          0
          Quote: orfo
          suggest CNN watch?

          No, in general you can not watch the zombie, there is only another scam.
          1. orfo
            orfo 1 January 2013 11: 44
            +2
            It’s just that, according to your logic, I drew conclusions. According to CNN, we are often scolded and do not disdain to show al-Qaeda propaganda videos in Syria. The Internet in this regard is even worse, including facebook and YouTube, no one monitors the accuracy of information, on Twitter the frame was buried several times.

            Zomboyaschik works in different directions, should be added to the list "Rain", as it belongs to the white-ribbon liberal "patriots".
    2. orfo
      orfo 31 December 2012 17: 46
      +1
      And Russia is behaving very arrogantly towards its friends. What is worth remembering Tuzla and the "gas wars".

      Yes, yours were good too. I am silent about the fact that these territories were generally transferred ....

      Someone fired at the checkpoint of the Russian Federation and now South Ossetia as part of the Russian Federation.

      Ay, but not Georgian tanks? and gifts from the city. Your brother there also lit up, which was an unpleasant surprise for us. Yes, and your Yush removed equipment from combat duty not with us.
      Legally, no, but actually under the control of Russia.

      but is the Russian government warming up the masses before yet another small war on the border?

      It will somehow be difficult to explain such to the Russian man in the street that the "brotherly" companion so annoyed us that we need to "unwind" him. A highly exaggerated danger. You are more likely to be overwhelmed by Afro-Ukrainians than this happens.
      Keep quiet

      in another topic, figures are given starting from the age of 48.
      And about the fact that the USSR helped everyone and sent resources ...

      As a citizen of the Russian Federation, I am against such gifts even to "friends", I am silent about writing off the debts of the sobs, since they can only be temporary allies. What is the sale of licensed production of various kinds of equipment / technologies worth (In my opinion, KZ wanted them together with the equipment, which just suited Ukraine).
      I'm talking about until now an unsigned peace treaty with Japan and hiding China.

      Not only for us but also for the same Japan and its owner.
      And what kind of relief did Russia make to its allies? Nothing?

      They just got into a mess with Belarus, a painfully wayward "dictator". Well, Gazprom is not without sin. And the fact that they are asking for money to support their army does not mean anything? And they give out loans to themselves, nobody canceled the same trick with two chairs.
      There are a lot of questions, but in response from any Russian I hear only insults such as "saloed", etc. etc.

      This is either a common misconception of Russians about Ukrainians, or a response to your western Ukraine. Where "there are no" "unfinished" unsuccessful workers.



      Ssherssen politics is a dirty thing, and geopolitics is so general. I have nothing personal against the Ukrainians, but I’ll take offense at the mask.
  30. Ssherssen
    Ssherssen 31 December 2012 16: 17
    0
    By the way, I've already heard that Chechens and Arab terrorists are being trained in Crimea, and Russia needs to intervene there. You will wash yourself with blood. After this, there can be no talk of any "friendship".
    Do you know the results of the Ukrainian elections? Tyagnybok in the Rada ... This is a nightmare and a consequence of that "friendship". And God forbid Tyagnybok be president?
    Have you heard how Yatsenyuk screamed in the Rada when Yanyk did not fly to Moscow? "There is a great victory over the opposition!"
    And think about something else.
    Suddenly Lukashenko is dying. What then?
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 31 December 2012 17: 04
      0
      Quote: Ssherssen
      Suddenly Lukashenko is dying. What then?
      Yes, nothing will happen, no one will give Belarus, like Ukraine. Personally, I like Lukashenko more than Putin, but so far he is not the president of a united country. All this talk about elders and minors is already annoying, by and large, Kiev may be, if not the capital of a united Russia, then the capital of a new union. Who are you for yourself, Ssherssen? It does not seem that you love Russia, but it will gain strength, do not hesitate, panov, it will be necessary, there will be an Anschluss, for the return of a single country.
    2. orfo
      orfo 31 December 2012 17: 52
      +2
      you have there (I will not say about the Crimea) a lot of bearded ones settled, your riot police seemed to wet them this year., at least I know about this from what came to our media. And about the circus in your parliament is scary to watch, "UDAR" begins to resemble some kind of opg.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 31 December 2012 18: 05
      +2
      Quote: Ssherssen
      I already heard that Chechens and Arab terrorists are being trained in Crimea

      Well, "undergoing training" is too strong a word, but they came here more than once for treatment and rehabilitation after wounds. Did the episode of Tuzla hurt? What about the shelf off Snake Island? They gave it away in silence, puffing into two holes
    4. Raven
      Raven 1 January 2013 03: 11
      +1
      don't croak angry Got it!
  31. sasanic
    sasanic 31 December 2012 17: 35
    0
    Please take us the Balts back !!!!!! we are dying without you !!!
  32. Ssherssen
    Ssherssen 31 December 2012 18: 24
    0
    orfo,
    Yes, yours were good too. I am silent about the fact that these territories were generally transferred ....

    A lot of things were transferred, so why doesn't Russia give the Kuril Islands to Japan? And what about the fact that ours were good ... It was not the Ukrainians who built the dam under the pretext of "restoring the Tuzla spit"
    And what about what was in the composition of something. So the composition of Kievan Rus included a huge territory that now belongs to Russia. And the Roman Empire occupied the whole Mediterranean. So what? Only those boundaries that exist de facto make sense.

    Per se.,
    I already watch the news only for beer with chips. Like football or hockey. And in principle, I did not go to the polls for the second time. Who am I for? For no one. I am for my family and myself.
    .
    Misantrop,
    The dough was not enough; (to defend. In addition, there was the DECISION of the European court, and not the seizure of foreign territory.
  33. orfo
    orfo 31 December 2012 18: 56
    +1
    I already watch the news only for beer with chips. Like football or hockey. And in principle, I did not go to the polls for the second time. Who am I for? For no one. I am for my family and myself.

    You, as my replacement history teacher, have a well-established opinion about the political system but do not vote at the same time. In my small years, I go to the polls in principle, and I make my own choice. Try to go, even after voting against the clear winner, you can hint to him that not everything is so smooth.

    Regarding vast territories, if you are talking about Siberia, then it was annexed much later than the collapse of Kievan Rus.

    The fate of the Kuriles, like the Crimea, was decided not so long ago in historical terms.
    Moreover, the Japanese did not have this right to vote.
  34. Ssherssen
    Ssherssen 31 December 2012 19: 40
    0
    orfo,

    Okstis, what does Siberia have to do with it? I'm talking about the lands before Moscow. As for the elections, I don’t trust any politician. Maybe you have someone in Russia to vote for, but I don't. Yanyk is a convict, but I don't respect the Nazis and Oun-Upa. I hardly understand what Klitschko will do in the Rada. Is it sho waving his fists ... In the economy, he is 0. Another Shevchenko with a ball and this swimmer in a swimsuit + Sofia Rotaru, etc. etc. What will this horde do in the Rada? Play football? Do aerobics? Run with Tyagnybok looking for "her" and traitors? Shouting something about the "Movny law"? I will not go to the polls for the 3rd and 4th time. And in general, I believe that it is necessary to remove all the benefits and immunity from the deputy, Take away the cars, mistresses-secretaries and make $ 200 a salary. And everything will be OK right away. And then a billion $ a year for the maintenance of the Verkhovna Rada ...
  35. not good
    not good 31 December 2012 23: 38
    +1
    With regard to Clinton, the saying goes very well: The dog barks, the caravan goes!
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 1 January 2013 11: 36
      +2
      do not offend dogs ..................
  36. Russ
    Russ 1 January 2013 21: 47
    -8
    The majority of Ukrainians for entering before ЄС і with leather rock through the policy of Putina prikhilnik вступ I will enter before ЄA less and less. Tomorrow Ukraine has a new empire of evil, so as to don’t pull it apart in an hour, we preserve our Russian culture and culture, our sound, international, not Putin’s country is not for Ukraine. Škoda brother’s bіlorusіv, like not to have a vibe, all the people of Russia, like a lot of friends with these ugrofroms and yams.

    Before the speech, there are so many people behind, because of all the bathing. Vibachte, Kazakhs, you have garnі proxies, without prejudice)
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 1 January 2013 21: 49
      +2
      The majority of Ukrainians for entering before ЄС і with leather rock through the policy of Putina prikhilnik вступ I will enter before ЄA less and less. Tomorrow Ukraine has a new empire of evil, so as to don’t pull it apart in an hour, we preserve our Russian culture and culture, our sound, international, not Putin’s country is not for Ukraine. Škoda brother’s bіlorusіv, like not to have a vibe, all the people of Russia, like a lot of friends with these ugrofroms and yams.

      They speak Russian here.
      1. Russ
        Russ 1 January 2013 22: 05
        -8
        I don’t recognize the dialect, having averted the Russian movement.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 1 January 2013 21: 51
      +3
      Quote: Russia
      The majority of Ukrainians for entering before ЄС і with leather rock through the policy of Putina prikhilnik вступ I will enter before ЄA less and less.

      Europe was waiting for Ukrainian plumbers, the Polish can not cope? laughing
  37. Russ
    Russ 1 January 2013 22: 15
    -7
    Everything is simple, the majority of Ukrainians are important for joining to the EU and against joining the alliance, and then go to the Dupu P'yanitsi iski. Well, before Russia, I will anoint Ukraine and Ukrainian culture, kindly ask the guest, the Ukrainian nationality should not be put off until quietly but not affecting our culture. As for your gas, then you need to put a monument to Gazprom.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 2 January 2013 11: 33
      0
      Quote: Russia
      hto not tell our culture.
      And how is the culture grown in caches so different from the rest of Ukraine that it needs a separate respect? And for what?
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 2 January 2013 22: 19
        0
        Quote: Misantrop
        how culture grown in caches is so different from the rest of Ukrainian

        Antiquity (things. Over 50 years old belong to antiques)
    2. WW3
      WW3 2 January 2013 22: 06
      +3
      It is strange here to see the comments on the Move .... I will not bother translating. Just a minus ...
  38. Garrin
    Garrin 1 January 2013 22: 21
    +2
    Quote: Russia
    Everything is simple, the majority of Ukrainians are important for joining to the EU and against joining the alliance, and then go to the Dupu P'yanitsi iski. Well, before Russia, I will anoint Ukraine and Ukrainian culture, kindly ask the guest, the Ukrainian nationality should not be put off until quietly but not affecting our culture. As for your gas, then you need to put a monument to Gazprom.

    Well, it's stupid. Just a provocateur, but in the fashionable way - TROLL, Yes, never to Bandera to drive a wedge between Russians and Ukrainians. It’s a pity that it is impossible to answer in obscene Russian, and even more sorry that I can’t break my fingers on a fascist face. Well, nothing left for long.
  39. Russ
    Russ 1 January 2013 22: 26
    -10
    That’s how it was for you, here you have formed a Ukrainian-group of people here, like not to upload real pictures and don’t know history ... know the name of that one, the way in which you lost the union and rewrote the Russian king.
    More than the history of vivchi, I feel sorry for the little girls. Drive in a trekking pillow, like wringing yourself with your own dialect and culture to Ukraine. Live sobі, i, at Rosії. Nichols Ukraine and Ukraine will not be at the expense of the empire.
    Orestes Lutius - Kill me at my place to marvel at the video.
    1. GG2012
      GG2012 2 January 2013 00: 18
      +4
      Quote: Russia
      That’s how it’s going to be better. A Ukrainian-phobic group of people has formed here,

      Shanovny troll with the nickname "Rus". Be a weasel, your fierceness to the Russian participants in the forum.
      As it seems to us, “throttles are not tossing and turning”, but you should take care of it yourself.
      Tse zanyattya duzhe p_dkreslyuє Your "national Patriotism", but at the same hour, to rob you "cheap clown" from you.
      1. Russ
        Russ 2 January 2013 00: 46
        -8
        A ty, serf, shchinochno iz zarobіtkіv? I have a lot of trouble before the Russians, and I’m just a nerd, such and such. Tom goat sale toby abi kukurіknuti, galba to such cocks.
        1. GG2012
          GG2012 2 January 2013 01: 35
          +1
          Quote: Russia
          A ty, serf, shchinochno iz zarobіtkіv?

          To you, as a reference to Patriot Kholop, I want to get my opinion from my Amerikosivsky khazyіv and Todi otrimaєsh the status of leader of the national rue “Gay Ukraine”!
          And before ten o'clock, I’m grateful gay patriot, who’d like to grow up in national forums.
    2. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 2 January 2013 01: 30
      +2
      Russ,
      Eco mixed you, only Chinese and Arabic characters are missing.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 2 January 2013 11: 36
        +1
        Quote: Oleg Rosskiyy
        only Chinese and Arabic characters are missing.

        Because it is not enough that these have not yet paid him laughing
  40. Garrin
    Garrin 1 January 2013 22: 37
    +3
    Quote: Russia
    That’s how it was for you, here you have formed a Ukrainian-group of people here, like not to upload real pictures and don’t know history ... know the name of that one, the way in which you lost the union and rewrote the Russian king.
    I have half of Russian blood, a quarter of Ukrainian and a quarter of Greek. Grandfathers are Cossacks from Makeevka. You can take your words back. You cannot blame me for urainophobia. Better apologize. It’s easier both for me and you.
    1. Russ
      Russ 1 January 2013 22: 49
      -6
      I am ringing and I want them not to have illusions but to the vector of development of Ukraine. I don’t care about myself, and I don’t care about Ukrainian culture. Kozaks, I myself am from Zaporizhzhya, I received calls from the Don and Kuban Cossacks, the rest, they were deported from Ukraine to the Kuban, and a large number of them were sent to the Ukrainian people.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 1 January 2013 22: 59
        +2
        I am ringing and I want them not to have illusions but to the vector of development of Ukraine. I don’t care about myself, and I don’t care about Ukrainian culture. Kozaks, I myself am from Zaporizhzhya, I received calls from the Don and Kuban Cossacks, the rest, they were deported from Ukraine to the Kuban, and a large number of them were sent to the Ukrainian people.

        Well, I don’t want to swear, I see a young one, later you will understand everything. I accepted the apology. Stop How is respect for elders? I’m 55 years old, I say again, stop, I’ll be ashamed of myself later
        1. Russ
          Russ 1 January 2013 23: 06
          -4
          Right not at viku. To the right of that, on the right side, I know history, to the right of the rosem, to the right of the partnership of the like, the Yak Lyudin is developing. You will soon see, ban one Kazakh girl at least and don’t read about Bandera, about Friend Svitova about the Ukrainian genocide, don’t read the literature, so I wondered about the union and don’t have to worry about it, , scho є people like i respect i know i do not have any books.
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 1 January 2013 23: 11
            +2
            Yes, it's not about age, but it's a shame for illiterate youngsters. They got your orange-ass heads littered. “Russians for knives!” Can you, kid?
            1. Russ
              Russ 1 January 2013 23: 22
              -6
              Listen, first and foremost, I didn’t shiver before you - because the Ukrainian phobia and the dumbass are stupid judges вис лов вис вис лов лов,,, п, but you can just be drunk, є Ukrainian nationalism ’’ є є не аг аг , yaku lead bagato stolit.
              In a different way, I have grown ludina. Foolish self-songing.
              1. OSTAP BENDER
                OSTAP BENDER 2 January 2013 00: 27
                +4
                Quote: Russia
                In a different way, I have grown ludina. Foolish self-songing.

                Who are you weird? What are you talking about? Do you even know from whose hands Tyagnybok feeds? Open the little zenka chipushilo, what are you talking about? This is your relative from Western Ukraine hiding in Russia to earn money! I’m rude to you just because you allowed yourself rudeness here! Ty just Banderska loose, Yak dormant from Ukraine to Kazakhstan і zvidte carry nonsense! You fool, why don’t you know history, Yushchenko, the same genocide? Already pierced in America photo 30-quiet rock! And do you know any books from history te, a fool?
                1. Russ
                  Russ 2 January 2013 00: 43
                  -8
                  It is unreasonably unforeseeable. Everything seemed to be well, it seemed that after a quick call from the very first, it was immediately there that the kukurikati came.
                  1. GG2012
                    GG2012 2 January 2013 00: 58
                    +5
                    Quote: Russia
                    It is unreasonably unforeseeable.

                    Hear the bastard! T_yak Sіrko blohatіy, you breach on the forum and that look of people, yaki do not bloom Ukrainian movi. Silently, in your eyes try to grab anyone on the whole forum. To shvidko vidirvut egg! And say, so schulo! Pishov on x% e% p s forum, creepy!
                  2. OSTAP BENDER
                    OSTAP BENDER 2 January 2013 01: 00
                    +4
                    Quote: Russia
                    It is unreasonably unforeseeable. Everything seemed to be well, it seemed that after a quick call from the very first, it was immediately there that the kukurikati came.

                    Listen to the clown! You see absolutely rams confused! You are smirking, you can only see tears from the full, and already let the bouquets here! Yes, you're just a bell boy drinking soda with bulbs! And climbed up with adult uncles to play !!! You also have to lick a cocktail cockerel on a stick, and play in the sandbox, and write on the potty! Forget such words, genocide, Ukrainophobe, and you will find your young ass of adventure! These are the pies, boy !!!!
          2. Garrin
            Garrin 1 January 2013 23: 26
            +2
            about Friend Svitova about the Ukrainian genocide, I didn’t read the literature, I got a hold of the Radyansky Union and didn’t want to see any other people for myself;

            Did you know, guy, that the most "delicious" books came out on mov? And remember the choir named after Rope, and the dance of the Zaporozhye Cossacks, the ensemble of Moiseyev, God forbid the memory, "Slider" was called. And my Uncle deserved a Hero of the USSR, and his surname is PanchenKO
            1. Russ
              Russ 1 January 2013 23: 36
              -5
              http://www.parafia.org.ua/biblioteka/statti/dokumenty-pro-zaboronu-ukr-movy/
              And what about your uncle, where does the win before our discussion? Yakshcho vin fought IS Nazis - then I am a fan of such people.
              1. Garrin
                Garrin 2 January 2013 00: 53
                +3
                Quote: Russia
                And what about your uncle, where does the win before our discussion? Yakshcho vin fought IS Nazis - then I am a fan of such people.

                Well, at least thanks for that. And what have I served? And my father, and grandfathers, they covered your buttocks. And now we are an elder and lazy, besides drinking a brother. And you know that you plowed at Makeevsky metallurgical, and that Khartsyzky built the pipe, and in Chernobyl your ass was blocked. And now you are lenient to me. I don’t know the story. Yes, I lived this story.
                1. GG2012
                  GG2012 2 January 2013 01: 03
                  +3
                  Quote: Garrin
                  Well, at least thanks for that. And what have I served? And my father, and grandfathers, they covered your buttocks. And now we are an elder and lazy, besides drinking a brother. And you know that you plowed at Makeevsky metallurgical, and that Khartsyzky built the pipe, and in Chernobyl your ass was blocked. And now you are lenient to me. I don’t know the story. Yes, I lived this story.

                  Do not pay attention to this jerk-troll (Russia).
                  He crawled out on the site to spoil and spit poison!
                  1. Garrin
                    Garrin 2 January 2013 01: 26
                    +2
                    Do not pay attention to this jerk-troll (Russia).
                    He crawled out on the site to spoil and spit poison!

                    Thank you, Brother, I think you read everything and understood everything.
                    1. OSTAP BENDER
                      OSTAP BENDER 2 January 2013 01: 29
                      +3
                      Quote: Garrin
                      Do not pay attention to this jerk-troll (Russia). He crawled out on the site to spoil and spit poison!

                      These are the shit, brought up by an orange pack of jackals!
  41. SlavaP
    SlavaP 1 January 2013 22: 43
    +4
    An interesting question was asked here - "what can Russia offer the union, except for the position of the Big Brother?"
    And a lot. And the first thing is that the very idea of ​​an equal Union excludes the division into older or middle brothers there. Once stepped on a rake - enough.
    The structure of the Union itself, in my opinion, should be based on the rotation of the presidencies of the object countries.
    And as for Russia:
    1. It sounds corny - resources and territories;
    2. Russian language as a language of interethnic communication;
    3. A nuclear umbrella and other defense infrastructure for the first time;
    4. Good finances in a single banking structure.

    ITD, you can continue
    1. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 2 January 2013 01: 40
      0
      SlavaP,
      Please do not continue, otherwise oparazionists - ill-wishers will crush all their teeth from anger and envy, because independence from Russia and Western democracy require huge injections, and what kind of an idiot the dough will throw up, now they whine, knowing that they have spoiled.
    2. Ssherssen
      Ssherssen 2 January 2013 03: 48
      -1
      I have already said that equality will be on boomeg.
      First question - what resources and territories ?? Honestly, I don’t understand at all.
      The second question is: what other financial impairment in a single banking structure?
      In my opinion, Ukraine will have to give the loot to the common piggy bank. As for the resources - Ukraine has already felt the whole "fraternal spirit" of Russia. Ely-pali, but first you change your attitude towards ordinary citizens of Ukraine. And then a little to you abroad, so autocracy and xenophobia rushing like a native of the Nazis. I once (already 4 years ago) went to my distant relatives in Belgorod - this is how your local cops accused me (!) When checking documents that I (!) Steal gas from the pipe. And I have already said that the Russian cops have trampled a friend in the mud in St. Petersburg. And we are also beckoned to the Eurasian Union ... Unite with China, here are your friends. And in 15-20 years, the average Russian child will study Chinese at school and have yellow skin and narrow eyes.
      Oh, by the way, if only they covered themselves with a nuclear umbrella ...
    3. Ssherssen
      Ssherssen 2 January 2013 14: 42
      -1
      - Monsieur Bonaparte, what will be the orders?
      - WAR! First, take Austria-Hungary!
      - Great plan!
      - Then let's go to Spain and Italy!
      - Great plan!
      - It will be necessary to seize another Holland!
      - Why?
      - Great plan!
  42. Ssherssen
    Ssherssen 2 January 2013 01: 26
    +2
    Do not you read this Russia - he is from Western Ukraine. By the way, the language I speak in which he writes is not pure Ukrainian. This is a dialect with borrowed Polish and Romanian words and incorrect accents. Wait, he has become fashionable. That's just the Ukrainian language, this is not the language that is spoken in the West - this is the one that is in central Ukraine. Without any Lithuanians, puporizok, smarek and the like gibberish. Fucking Russophiles, how they zae ... Because of them in the Rada such garbage is happening. But Tyagnybok recently rolled a barrel on the Jews. His European Union and Israel will write off this shit.
    My brother went on a bike in Western. He told me that when they heard the Russian language, they chased him on a tractor with an ax. Otak from. How scary to live ... And these people want to go to Europe. They are in Zimbabwe nudo with their Tyagnybok. And Schaub climb palm trees and throw bananas.
    I know one thing - the EU is the same shit as the EU. No wonder the spelling is the same ...
    1. OSTAP BENDER
      OSTAP BENDER 2 January 2013 01: 36
      +1
      Quote: Ssherssen
      Because of them, in the Rada such garbage is happening. But Tyagnybok recently rolled a barrel on the Jews. His European Union and Israel will write off this shit.

      Greetings, fellow countryman! But Tyagnybok is a Jewish project, it is financed by the oligarch Jude Kolomoisky! How strange it does not sound, but it is! They started a dirty trick, it's like giving a drink!
      1. Ssherssen
        Ssherssen 2 January 2013 01: 43
        -1
        You don’t understand - the Israeli ambassador to Ukraine expressed concern about the anti-Semitic statements of Tyagnybok and members of her party, and the European Union supported.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 2 January 2013 11: 45
          0
          Quote: Ssherssen
          You don’t understand - the Israeli ambassador to Ukraine expressed concern about the anti-Semitic statements of Tyagnybok and members of her party

          Well, right, everything is according to a single scheme. Financing on the one hand and attracting attention on the other. Who would have remembered these shitters if they had not been sponsored and not promoted?
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 2 January 2013 01: 46
      0
      Quote: Ssherssen
      Do not you read this Russia - he is from Western Ukraine.

      Quote: OSTAP BENDER
      These are the shit, brought up by an orange pack of jackals!

      Quote: Ssherssen
      But Tyagnybok recently rolled a barrel on the Jews. His EU with Israel for such a shit write off

      Eleonora Groisman, "President of the Ukrainian Independent Council of Jewish Women," called on President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych to protect Jews from the tyranny of Ukrainian nationalists.
      On behalf of the Jewish women of Ukraine, Groisman asks Viktor Yanukovych, as the President of the multinational multicultural Ukraine, to intervene in the situation of purposeful insult to Jews that arose in the country with the coming to power of VO "Svoboda".
      "People's Deputies from" Svoboda ", by some unknown right, took the liberty of renaming an entire national minority of Ukraine. On December 26, from the screen of the Ukrainian TV channel, the head of the parliamentary faction" Svoboda "Oleg Tyagnibok said that Ukrainians would use the word" Jews "(" "," Jew ") to denote a whole nationality. He also said that those who consider it an insult can sue. And he assured in advance that all the courts will be lost", http: //obozrevatel.com/politics/31682 -evrejskie-zhensch
      inyi-pros
      yat-u-yanukovicha-zaschityi-ot-svobodyi.-tekst.htm
      The leader of the VO "Svoboda" Oleg Tyagnibok and his colleague Igor Miroshnichenko shared the "prize" fifth place in the international ranking of the main anti-Semites in 2012, reports UNN with reference to the Israeli media.
      The list of leading anti-Semites of the world was published on December 28 in the United States by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the global Jewish organization against anti-Semitism.
      So, Oleg Tyagnibok got into this rating because of his calls to "fight the Jew", and Igor Miroshnichenko - because of the scandal with the American Jewish film actress Mila Kunis, whom he called a "Jewess".
      The top five also included: leaders of the Egyptian Islamic party "Muslim Brotherhood" -1st place and a pathological anti-Semite - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad-2nd place, who openly calls for the destruction of Israel. In third place is Iranian Vice President Mohammad Rahimi and Chief of the General Staff of the Iranian Army, Major General Hasan Firozabad, http://obozrevatel.com/politics/40863-tyagnibok-i-miroshnichenko-popali-v-mezhdu

      narodnyij-rating-antisemitov.htm
      At the same time, Mr. Oleg himself graduated, in his words, from a Jewish school ... belay request what bully negativethe picture is clickable ...
      1. Cavas
        Cavas 2 January 2013 01: 55
        +1
        Kaa,



        !!!))




        wassat wassat wassat



        Well, make the text less !!!)))
        New Year all the same !!! drinks
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 2 January 2013 02: 07
          +2
          Cavas
          I told you, "truth serum" feel
          1. Cavas
            Cavas 2 January 2013 02: 14
            +1
            Quote: Kaa
            I told you, "truth serum"

            Wise KAA. request
            I drink cognac, FORGIVING ??)) drinks

            1. Kaa
              Kaa 2 January 2013 02: 38
              +1
              Quote: Cavas
              I drink cognac

              Drinking cognac (as well as whiskey, gin, tequila, etc.) is the "Road to Arlington" ... soldier
              1. Cavas
                Cavas 2 January 2013 02: 44
                +1
                Quote: Kaa
                this is the Road to Arlington ..

                I agree to go this way!)))



                The main thing is that my children understand why I did it !!!!

                1. Kaa
                  Kaa 2 January 2013 02: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Cavas
                  The main thing is that my children understand

                  In my "childhood" I thought about it ...
                  1. Cavas
                    Cavas 2 January 2013 03: 00
                    +2
                    Quote: Kaa
                    In my "childhood" I thought about it ...

                    I of course I'm shybut as a child I didn’t think about that!))) drinks



                    That's what I was thinking!))
                    1. Kaa
                      Kaa 2 January 2013 03: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: Cavas
                      in childhood, I’m not talking about that

                      Well, if not in "childhood", but in childhood, then ...
                      "Our motto is Always Ready!
                      More action - less words ... " laughing
                      1. Cavas
                        Cavas 2 January 2013 03: 13
                        +2
                        Quote: Kaa
                        Our motto is always ready!

                        His motto was ONE - but for everyone!


  43. Ssherssen
    Ssherssen 2 January 2013 01: 45
    -1
    I don’t understand one thing - did you give a damn to all Ukraine so gave up? Always lived by the principle - I don’t know my hut, don’t meddle with us - we won’t touch you. So no - either Tuzla, now Serpentine, now join the European Union, then the Eurasian Union.
    http://www.vv.com.ua/news/6287 это насчет того что оставил Украине без никаких обязательств наш северный сосед после распада СССР. И никто самое главное бабла не дает. Типа это ваше - вы и разбирайтесь...
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 2 January 2013 12: 02
      0
      Quote: Ssherssen
      fucked all Ukraine so surrendered? Always lived by the principle - I don’t know my hut, don’t meddle with us - we won’t touch you.

      And because it is located at the crossroads, the existing paths pass here. The ruins themselves did not need a snake in itself, and they were interested in their oil shelf. The question with Tuzla arose only when the Ukrainian side raised the price of a one-time pass to the point where the fishing trawler entering the Black Sea began to cost more than he did with the fish. Despite the fact that the island, by the way, is called TUZLA Scythe and is actually the end of the spit. Well, as for Chernobyl, so IMHO would give a lot if there were reasons to hope that at least part of this money will go directly to the addressee, and not be stolen along the way. By the way, take an interest in how this is in Japan, they still have not been able to extinguish the chain reaction - there are a total of 131 iodine in the samples (the surest sign of the ongoing reaction) ...
      1. Ssherssen
        Ssherssen 2 January 2013 15: 36
        0
        Clearly, it means they are worried that the grandmas will not reach the addressee? Interesting position. Here is an excuse so an excuse. Or maybe the other way around? Money was allocated but didn’t even reach the border? Look a little table ...
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 2 January 2013 16: 35
          0
          Quote: Ssherssen
          Money was allocated but didn’t even reach the border?

          And what the hell is the difference? On one or the other side of the border they were gobbled up by a fattening on someone else’s mountain? If we take the Natsik point of view (albeit disgusting), it has nothing to do with any of the Slavic peoples (and even the Jewish one). NIT has no nationality, it only eats.
          UKRAINE, regardless of the flag of the ruling party, can GUARANTEE that this money will be spent on purpose? If YES, then I’m ready to list my pension, I’ll interrupt somehow. If NO, then go through the forest, to feed the freaks there is not the slightest desire

          Japan still has not allowed on this emergency facility no one observer (not to mention the emergency parties). A professional atomic scientist, and not a chatterbox who can only talk about the "suffering of the Japanese people"? That is why there is no real help, no one has the desire to sponsor someone else's nit
  44. Garrin
    Garrin 2 January 2013 02: 11
    +1
    Quote: Ssherssen
    I don’t understand one thing - did you give a damn to all Ukraine so gave up? Always lived by the principle - I don’t know my hut, don’t meddle with us - we won’t touch you. So no - either Tuzla, now Serpentine, now join the European Union, then the Eurasian Union.

    I apologize, but in what Urain you Live? I am a native of Donbass. And the Kievites have now chosen the Nazis. Not rude, it seems. Answer please.
    1. Ssherssen
      Ssherssen 2 January 2013 02: 18
      +1
      I live in Kharkov. He was born there.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 2 January 2013 02: 44
        +1
        I live in Kharkov. He was born there

        Thanks for the answer! Beautiful city. I love you!
  45. Russ
    Russ 2 January 2013 02: 46
    -8
    To ban communist ideology as hateful, which caused irreparable harm to the Ukrainian people. [7]
    Adopt a new law on citizenship, according to which citizenship will be granted only to those who were born in Ukraine or are ethnic Ukrainians, as well as those who have lived in Ukraine for more than 10 years, speak the Ukrainian language and know the history of Ukraine. Deprive naturalized foreigners of Ukrainian citizenship for criminal offenses. [8]
    Return to the passport the column “nationality” and birth certificate and legislatively legalize the relations of the “titular” nation and “national minorities” in Ukraine. [7]
    Introduce an examination on knowledge of the history of Ukraine to obtain citizenship.
    To establish the proportional principle of participation of Ukrainians and representatives of national minorities in all spheres of state and economic activity (government, business, education, etc.) [8]
    Strict anti-immigration laws. [7]
    Adopt the law “On the Protection of the Ukrainian Language.” [7]
    A compulsory exam in the Ukrainian language for all public servants and candidates for any elected posts. [7]
    Return of all ethnic Ukrainians to Ukraine. [7]
    Protection of the national information space of Ukraine (by controlling the media, television, radio, Internet). [7]
    Recognition of the fact of the occupation of Ukraine by Bolshevik Russia in 1918 — 1991. [7]
    Public Trial of Communism. [7]
    The elimination of all imperial-Bolshevik symbols. [7]
    Official recognition, apology and compensation [from Russia] for the genocide of the Ukrainian nation. [7]
    Compensation [from Russia] to the heirs of repressed Ukrainians. [7]
    Status of deportees (from Russia and Poland) to Ukrainians of the Kuban, Kholmshchyna. [7]
    The creation of the Baltic-Black Sea geopolitical arc (between Europe and Russia). [7]
    Visa Regime with Russia. [7]
    Bilateral agreements with the United States and Britain on their military assistance in the event of armed aggression against Ukraine. [7]
    The nuclear status of Ukraine. [7]
    Changing the status of Crimea from autonomous to regional and canceling the special status of the city of Sevastopol (at the same time, Sevastopol becomes a "free port"). [7]
    State program for the integration of Crimea into Ukrainian society. [7]
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D2%FF%E3%ED%E8%E1%EE%EA,_%CE%EB%E5%E3_%DF%F0%EE%F1
    %EB%E0%E2%EE%E2%E8%F7

    You are unsure of bad things, you don’t know anything about the Ukrainian language, Ukrainian culture and history, I’m rosumi rosiyan - I have enough knowledge of my history, ale zrozumіti Ukrainian yak? I impose an unreasonable bead, I cannot form a whole bobble on a topic, that is, to stare at a stranger.
    1. OSTAP BENDER
      OSTAP BENDER 2 January 2013 02: 53
      +4
      [quote = Russia]
      Have you rebuilt the idiot half-Tyagnybok kid? Commendable, laudable, then let’s separate western Ukraine, and you yourself want to go there, then you’re wondering! In a month you will begin to gnaw granite, and in two, the Poles will catch you like a partridge! How do you like this Decree, baby?
    2. Ssherssen
      Ssherssen 2 January 2013 02: 56
      +1
      Pitiful crap, I am terribly ashamed that we live in one country and are citizens of one country - Ukraine. I’m really going to drink right now ...
      People! We travel with him in public transport! I’ll leave the apartment tomorrow only with a gas cylinder ... I’m scared .. belay
      This is a nightmare. And these people want to go to Europe!?! Yes, in Europe there is a Charter on languages. ..bare dumpling! Yes, in Europe there is not only an article for Nazism and anti-Semitism, but also a serious term!
      1. OSTAP BENDER
        OSTAP BENDER 2 January 2013 02: 59
        +2
        Quote: Ssherssen
        I’ll leave the apartment tomorrow only with a gas cylinder ... I am scared.

        No, the balloon is not a panacea! Radical measures are needed, at least shooting!
        1. Ssherssen
          Ssherssen 2 January 2013 03: 02
          0
          I now understand HOW THE TIGBOAT HAS FELT IN THE RADA ...
      2. Kaa
        Kaa 2 January 2013 03: 01
        +2
        Quote: Ssherssen
        I’ll leave the apartment tomorrow only with a gas cylinder ... I am scared.

        Suicide is a sin ...
    3. OSTAP BENDER
      OSTAP BENDER 2 January 2013 03: 21
      0
      Quote: Russia
      I impose an unreasonable bead, I cannot form a whole bobble on a topic, that is, to stare at a stranger.

      So you just laid out Tyagnybok's nonsense! Tyagnyboka, not yours! So you took advantage of a stranger! You are the uneducated
    4. Misantrop
      Misantrop 2 January 2013 12: 06
      0
      I just forgot to indicate where the concentration camps are planned to be located winked And the "state program for the integration of Crimea into the Ukrainian society" has already been overwhelmed. How gracefully the justification for the plunder of the peninsula was called
  46. Garrin
    Garrin 2 January 2013 03: 01
    +2
    Well done, lad! He indicated a clear path to fascism. Even Hitler couldn’t do that. (But you still know Russian) Well, those guys that they fought for were snatched away. You are in line. Damn, sorry I don’t know the address.
  47. Ssherssen
    Ssherssen 2 January 2013 03: 10
    +1
    I really will say. My communists (on the maternal side) shot my grandfather. But on the paternal side, my grandfather drove the OUN-UPA in the Carpathians and almost got a star of the hero for this. After 1991, he told a lot of things about that war. The Nazis are still that garbage. They should never be allowed to turn around. Otherwise, uniform hell will begin. And the end of the world will not be necessary.
    Here's a real example. Hitler cleared out the Jews. The Jews SO cleansed the Aryans that scraps remained of their gene pool (a simple fact - blondes are now an endangered species). This is the fate that our "Nazis" are preparing for us. We will either be bombed by the European Union or Russia will introduce troops after such a decree. Serbia is an example of this.
    Tyagnybok as Hitler will shoot himself, and from our corpses it will be possible to fold the Herops pyrmid ...
    It would be necessary to put him in a neighboring cell with Tymoshenko. Schaub shook the grate, otherwise it will be a shame ...
    1. GG2012
      GG2012 2 January 2013 03: 31
      0
      Quote: Ssherssen
      The Nazis are still that garbage. They should never be allowed to turn around.

      Agreements on the accession of Ukraine to Russia were reached even before 2000. To this end, Russia began tacitly to support the growth of the "Donetsk" clan and its coming to power. The FSB of Russia ensured the information and operational security of the top officials of the "Donetsk" clan from the encroachments of political and economic competitors.
      The obligation of the "Donetsk" clan, after coming to power, was to ensure the peaceful and legitimate annexation of the territory of Ukraine to Russia.
      Russia acted as a buffer that extinguished the discontent of the Dnepropetrovsk clan (Lazarenko) and Kuchma's discontent with the sharp rise in the Donetsk people.
      A poorly educated, rude and with two convictions director of the motor depot was specially selected for the post of the "first" Donetsk person, as a person who will be forever devoted to his masters.
      But during the ten years of being in power, the "Donetsk" people stopped wanting to unite with Russia, and then, starting in 2008, the regionals began to grow "Svoboda".
      The Svoboda project was supposed to protect the interests of the Donetsk clan from being absorbed by Russia.
      To put it briefly, the essence of the "Freedom" project is a way of throwing Russia away and not fulfilling the obligations undertaken ten years ago.
      It is for this, from all over western Ukraine, they gathered silly fools who believe that Ukraine is a superpower, and they themselves came from the ancient Ukrov, who in ancient times rode dinosaurs to drive across the Zaporozhye steppes.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 2 January 2013 03: 46
        +1
        Quote: GG2012
        Russia acted as the buffer that quenched the discontent of the Dnepropetrovsk clan (Lazarenko) and the discontent of Kuchma

        And what is the difference between them?
        " The Dnepropetrovsk clan was once one of the most powerful in the USSR. It is worth mentioning that the CPSU Secretary General L.I. Brezhnev was a native of this region. Dnepropetrovsk is one of the centers of industry in Ukraine; a number of strategic industrial facilities are located on its territory, including the Yuzhmash plant, which had all-Union significance. The Dnepropetrovsk clan gave the largest percentage of representatives of the ruling elite of modern Ukraine (ex-president L. Kuchma; ex-prime minister P. Lazorenko; one of the richest people in Ukraine, son-in-law of Kuchma V. Pinchuk; Yu. Timoshenko). And this is not surprising.
        “After the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine inherited almost a third of the Soviet military-industrial complex, or 70% of all Ukrainian industry. What was worth only a unique rocket and space center in Dnepropetrovsk! Industrial enterprises serving the military-industrial complex of Ukraine are concentrated mainly in cities Southeast region (Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk, Kharkov, Zaporozhye, etc.), as well as in Kiev. And they are closely tied to the Russian defense industry - Russia is the most important market for the Ukrainian defense industry. For example, the Zaporozhye Motor Sich plant produces engines for Russian helicopters, Be-200 amphibious aircraft, and Yak-130 combat training aircraft. ” In other words, Southeast of Ukraine (or New Russia) is the industrial and economic center of the Ukrainian state ".http: //www.komitet.net.ua/article/37003/
      2. Russ
        Russ 2 January 2013 03: 59
        -5
        Well, where did this crap come from, well, what .. (Everyone can come up with such a thing.
  48. Russ
    Russ 2 January 2013 03: 21
    -8
    I know Russian very well. I studied at a Russian school and often read in Russian and I am not a radical by nature, I am only a reaction to your Russian radical imperialism and to the stupidity and lack of education of fellow citizens. And I’m not from Western Ukraine, I’m from the central, that part of it that was part of the Russian Empire after the partition of Little Russia between the Poles and the Pits, namely Poltava. I am sure that many here do not know the history of Kievan Rus, the Russian Empire and Ukraine. You are so afraid that I copied the goals and ideas of Ukrainian nationalism, but you did not even compare them with the ideas of other countries where these ideas are considered normal, of the same Russia, where if I am not mistaken the new migration policy, read it. You think that the messages in Ukrainian are disrespectful in Russian, but for some reason you won’t understand that if Ukraine entered into an alliance with Russia you would have to listen and understand the Ukrainian language - for the sake of decency and as a sign of respect for Ukrainian culture - but you don’t have respect for either language or culture, you have a Ukrainian-phobic reaction to all this. So look at yourself, you uncouth gross ignoramus. Learn to understand and respect Ukrainians, and then we'll talk. As I wrote here more than once, that I do not hate Russians, the only thing I demand is respect. Judging by many articles on your site - you have open ignorance and not even a knowledge of official history, all your reasoning about the language and Ukraine are sucked out of your finger and are not supported by scientists, historians. You impose someone subjectivity on me, a Ukrainian, thereby insulting. Learn to respect your neighbors and neighbors will respect you. As for the cattle that lives in Ukraine - read books, become smarter, because you will shout the Glory of Russia - they will no longer respect you.
    1. Cavas
      Cavas 2 January 2013 03: 30
      +2
      Russ,
      You are my God (I am not you) !!!))
      Yes, after such a post you generally have nothing to do here !!!)))

    2. Ssherssen
      Ssherssen 2 January 2013 03: 30
      +3
      Boy, you just drove a terrible blizzard, and now you handles like this, like, "They're blue, I can't take it off." No pid called himself. aom - become a cancer.
      And what you say - they say, "here no one knows history, but I alone know everything and I will tell everyone how I understand it." Kid, I was not born yesterday and according to the history of Ukraine I had 5 at the institute. And what you are telling is stretched 50% between the lines.
      1. Cavas
        Cavas 2 January 2013 03: 40
        +2
        Quote: Ssherssen
        Aren, you just drove a terrible blizzard, and now you do it with your pens, like, "They are blue, I can't take them off." No pid called himself. aom - become a cancer.

        Your experience is simply amazing!)))) wassat
    3. GG2012
      GG2012 2 January 2013 03: 43
      +3
      Quote: Russia
      So look at yourself, you uncouth gross ignoramus.

      But didn’t You, the chalamid, addressed Garrin in Ukrainian, insulted him in every possible way, and this despite the fact that he did not understand the text you wrote ?!
      And you speak for culture and respect ?!
      By the way, I have long been friends with two sidekicks who, among other things, are members of the Svoboda political council.
      You write your data, if you are such a hero, and I will transfer your data to my homies. And if you are a member of "Freedom", then in a day you will be thrown out of there in figs, like a mangy cat!
      fucking !!!
    4. WW3
      WW3 2 January 2013 22: 17
      +1
      Quote: Russia
      I know Russian very well. He studied at a Russian school and often read in Russian

      So why on a mov to write comments the sheep got lost?
  49. Russ
    Russ 2 January 2013 03: 52
    -5
    Why not with them, with them 100%. Well, I didn’t say that now I don’t consider cattle you. And as for Kavas, I’m not the judge after such a picture.

    And in mathematics, how much you had in grade 5, you think if you have 5 in the history of Ukraine at the institute, where this subject is read at an accelerated pace in the 1st or 2nd year and is not considered the main one, then you know enough about the history of Ukraine and remember everything with Institute?

    So that I should offend someone for no reason at all? I re-read it again and did not find it, maybe you can copy it. But in general, you are the same in matters of history - you do not even check the facts, you heard somewhere and bark, a flock gathers and bark together, whether you fucking substitute a fanar instead of the Moon. And about "Freedom" - then you had to write "here I will copy your text in Russian" and throw you out of this unification "... damn fool, uneducated.
    1. Cavas
      Cavas 2 January 2013 04: 00
      +1
      Quote: Russia
      Why not with them, with them 100%. Well, I didn’t say that now I don’t consider cattle you. And as for Kavas, I’m not the judge after such a picture.

      Eshkin cat, just waiting for your opinion !!! laughing
      1. Russ
        Russ 2 January 2013 04: 06
        -6
        And I just noticed, though I had long guessed ... that you have flies flying there for a reason.
        1. Ssherssen
          Ssherssen 2 January 2013 04: 09
          +4
          Russia do not drive the blizzard, now let you go fellow
          This is my mayor, and even you are so far away from him.
          1. Russ
            Russ 2 January 2013 04: 18
            -6
            Yak elktorat - such a measure ...
            1. WW3
              WW3 2 January 2013 21: 25
              +2
              Quote: Ssherssen
              This is my mayor, and even you are so far away from him.

              I saw this face and remembered a bearded roller on YouTube laughing
          2. WW3
            WW3 2 January 2013 21: 23
            0
            Quote: Ssherssen
            This is my mayor, and even to you, oh how far

            I saw this face and remembered a bearded roller on YouTube laughing
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 2 January 2013 04: 11
          +3
          Quote: Russia
          And I just noticed

          Quote: Russia
          fool damn uneducated.

          Quote: Russia
          Well, where did this crap come from?

          Quote: Russia
          I know Russian very well.
          1. Russ
            Russ 2 January 2013 04: 14
            -5
            Say no to comrade - and go to work!
        3. Cavas
          Cavas 2 January 2013 04: 23
          +3
          Quote: Russia
          And I just noticed, though I had long guessed ... that you have flies flying there for a reason
          .... SUCH Yes, the fly warns that people like you, ..........

          Quote: Russia

          And I just noticed, though I had long guessed ... that you have flies flying there for a reason.

          I imagine how you fucking!))
          Flies are near me, but then they land on you !!!))) laughing


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    2. Ssherssen
      Ssherssen 2 January 2013 04: 02
      +3
      Baby, go sober up ... You’ve lost something ... This is Russia for you.
  50. Russ
    Russ 2 January 2013 04: 11
    -5
    Nadobranіch, i, and, malorosy. Live є Belarus. I want it myself укра Ukrainian, ale of suggestions to tell, scho and і і in Ukraine іsnuyuyut. Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes.
    1. GG2012
      GG2012 2 January 2013 04: 21
      +2
      Quote: Russia
      Nadobranіch,

      Yeah! Quiet Ukrainian night, but the fat must be hidden !!!
      Let's scratch yourself in the dugout and learn the materiel, dropout!
      Hero of Poltava !!!
    2. MG42
      MG42 3 January 2013 00: 08
      +2
      Quote: Russia
      I want it myself, Ukrainian, ale of suggestions to tell, scho and і in Ukraine, however, I have. Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes.

      Heroam sala! yes
      1. Allegedly
        Allegedly 3 January 2013 00: 36
        +3
        We in the EU do not need such people, God forbid from this ... Enough with us the Baltic states and a couple more immature limitrophs.

        In theory, even if someone served where it was not entirely necessary (well, everything happened, not everything depended on people), then boasting and boasting about it is at least bad manners (French mauvais ton) - manners, actions not accepted in society ; bad taste, bad manners. The first chancellor of Germany is a former prisoner of a concentration camp. And then Assassins and Punishers march through the streets with their heads proudly raised. What a fucking shame ...