The destruction of British Navy warships by unidentified unmanned boats is a signal to all NATO countries

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The destruction of British Navy warships by unidentified unmanned boats is a signal to all NATO countries

A warship with swift contours and pyramid-shaped superstructures left the Portsmouth naval base - it was a British destroyer type 45 Daring. Contrary to the usual English bad weather, this time the sun was shining brightly in the sky, seagulls were flying through the air and screaming loudly. The newest destroyer was in full combat readiness, its radar stations probed the sky, from the water's edge to near space, its hydroacoustic station peered into the depths - no one could get close unnoticed.


In the universal launchers, stealthy LRASM anti-ship missiles (ASMs) purchased from the United States were waiting in the wings; the ship was protected from air attack by Aster anti-aircraft missiles. A bow 114-mm cannon, two 20-mm and two 30-mm rapid-fire automatic cannons provided close-in defense of the ship against surface and air targets.




In an unforeseen situation, the ship could hide behind a cloud of protective metallized smoke, dipole reflectors, heat traps and active jamming stations.

Close to their native shores, the ship's crew felt quite calm; the main problem was not to ram some civilian cargo ship - the ship traffic in the area was off scale. The ship's radars and sonar did not detect any threats moving in its direction.


Suddenly, the radar showed that eight objects were moving towards the destroyer, simultaneously from several sides, at a speed of about 50 knots, and the distance to them was already minimal - only a few hundred meters. Where did they come from? What were they? Did they pose a threat to the ship?

Apparently, the objects drifted in the water along the ship’s route, and at the moment when it was as close as possible to them, they began to move. Considering the nature and direction of their movement, there was no doubt - this was an attack.

Alarm signals blared, the ship's crew began to prepare to repel the attack. The distance was too short for anti-ship missiles. Rapid-firing automatic guns came to life, systems for setting up protective curtains threw out clouds of metallized smoke and dipole reflectors.

However, everything was in vain. The approaching uncrewed boats (UECs) were too small and their hulls were partially hidden under water. The destroyer's automatic cannons managed to stop six attacking BECs, and the remaining two managed to break through to its side.

Several powerful explosions were heard. Apparently, the warhead (CU) of the BEC-kamikaze was quite comparable to the anti-ship missile warhead. The blow hit almost one point in the center of the destroyer. A huge hole formed in the ship's hull, into which water poured, a fire raged in the ship's compartments above the waterline, and an oily stain spread across the water.


Very quickly the ship began to list, after which the command to evacuate was given. Not everyone managed to escape; almost two-thirds of the destroyer’s crew—more than a hundred people—sank along with the ship.

Reaction to aggression


Munich speech of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, the war in Georgia on 08.08.08/2014/XNUMX, the coup d'etat in Ukraine in XNUMX and the annexation of Crimea to Russia, Russian support for the Donbass and Lugansk people's republics, and finally, the beginning of the Russian Special Military Operation (SVO) in Ukraine - all this became a litmus test that clearly showed the depth of hatred of Western countries towards Russia and the Russian people (which, from the point of view of Westerners, includes all residents of the former USSR).

Before our eyes, the “dehumanization” of Russians is taking place, politicians in many Western countries are already openly talking about punishing all Russians, discriminatory laws are being adopted that allow the authorities of European Union countries to take away all property from Russian citizens, including personal belongings and clothing - something similar has already happened in 1914, when, with the outbreak of World War I, Russians were robbed, raped and killed en masse and with impunity in Germany. This was later repeated in 1941 on a much larger scale, only this time organized and under the control of government structures of Nazi Germany.

Now the UK and a number of other countries in Western and Eastern Europe are pursuing an anti-Russian policy particularly aggressively, including by supplying Ukraine with the latest weapons, providing information and intellectual support to the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. The result of their actions are attacks on Russian infrastructure and facilities of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (RF Armed Forces).


The blame for such terrorist attacks should be placed primarily not on Ukraine, but on Western countries

The problem is that we're on these beats in no way We don’t answer.

Yes - this statement is quite justified. This is fair for the reason that the Armed Forces of Ukraine/SBU/GUR are just a tool, and the head that controls the process is not in Ukraine. Therefore, the strikes that the Russian Armed Forces inflict on targets on the territory of Ukraine cannot be considered an adequate response to a covert attack by Western countries, primarily Great Britain and the United States.

But striking NATO countries will lead to the outbreak of a full-scale war, which will most likely end in an exchange of nuclear strikes?

But we are not starting a war, despite the fact that the blows are being delivered weapons USA, UK and other NATO countries, by specialists from NATO countries, using the intelligence, control and communications infrastructure of NATO countries? And the United States did not start World War III when we actually shot down their unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV). But Iran generally does this without hesitation, and the United States just brushes it off and again plots against it, but does not directly attack, despite the fact that Iran does not have nuclear weapons.

Which of these can be concluded?

Yes, such that we have not yet even come close to the borders beyond which a global conflict with the use of nuclear weapons could begin. Especially if you approach this with the cynicism inherent in Western countries. It can be said with a high degree of confidence that the United States does not care at all about the countries of Europe, especially Eastern Europe. Of course, one can assume that Great Britain is of somewhat greater value to the United States, but it is unlikely to be much more valuable.

Uncontrollable


This is how one can characterize the fact that Western countries often do not control the technologies that they have created, despite all the restrictions they impose. The problem is that the more complex the technology, the more expensive it is. And the more expensive it is, the more difficult it is to recoup it, and the greater the number of products made using this technology must be sold to ensure its recoupment.

This is clearly seen in the example of the radio-electronic industry. The more complex the processor, memory chip or camera matrix, the higher its cost, the higher the percentage of defects in production. All this can be compensated only by huge production runs, millions - tens and hundreds of millions of products. And with such circulations, it is simply unrealistic to track them all: under any sanctions, whoever needs to buy them will buy them, albeit at a higher price - what did Karl Marx (quoting Thomas Dunning) say about capitalists and 300% of profits?

Now one of such technologies is satellite communications. SpaceX needs to capture the market with its Starlink network, others don’t want to lose the market either - China is breathing down their neck. This means that the market will be oversaturated, that supply will at some point exceed demand, and service providers will fight for customers, selling them their services, as Russian cellular operators did some time ago, when SIM cards were not just handed out by force.


Starlink equipment and services are quickly spreading across the planet; not only the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Western countries can use them

In turn, global or even regional high-speed satellite communications are one of the critical components that make it possible to create weapons systems that can operate at enormous distances from the launch point, systems that even the armed forces of many technologically advanced countries do not actually have.

And this opens up very interesting opportunities for us, after all, as Vladimir Ilyich Lenin said, “The capitalists themselves will sell us the rope on which we will hang them.”

Strikes from the shadows


What is the key difference between the attacks of Ukrainian unmanned boats (BEC) on Russian infrastructure and Black Sea ships? fleet Russian Navy?

This is their actual anonymity.

If Ukrainian officials did not directly state that they were carrying out the attacks, how would we be able to prove it?

Russian objects were attacked by BEC of unknown origin, their components are American, British, Japanese, Chinese - too many countries to list, the American communication system is Starlink. They could resist any attacks, and the entire “civilized world community” would only agree with them. However, Ukraine is now like a radical Islamic group of 3,5 people: they would take responsibility even if an asteroid fell on Russia.

The reality is that the inability of Western countries to control the technologies and high-tech products they sell makes it possible to implement scenarios of striking them with virtually their own weapons.

This could be a ready-made BEC-kamikaze model, a set of components, or even just instructions for purchasing and assembling them. Not a single Russian component – ​​it’s not difficult, right? Starlink satellite communication set or its equivalent. As a combat unit, something common, imported, something that “freedom fighters” can get.

Most of the components of ours, or rather, unknown whose promising weapons, designed to combat the fleets of Western countries, should be sold freely and sent without restrictions by international transport companies. Using the experience of the same Ukraine, any modern models of hydro scooters can be taken as a basis.


The hydro scooter may well become the basis of a BEC kamikaze for striking the navies of Western countries

Or these could be more original solutions, with hulls printed on a 3D printer / made of plywood / glued together from fiberglass, the design of which will initially be optimized specifically for combat use. A range of several hundred, and maybe thousands of kilometers, the ability to accelerate up to 50 knots over a short period of time, a warhead weighing several hundred kilograms and the ability to direct control with real-time video broadcast.

Attacks using such BECs can be carried out by our intelligence services, or maybe not by ours - the world is full of countries, nations, groups and even individuals who hate the USA, Great Britain and other NATO countries involved in colonial conflicts across the planet - yes such a thing can be announced on the Kickstarter website. It will be funny if the Ukrainians hit the ships of Great Britain or the United States in order to blame us - this will be easy to understand by the crooked inscriptions like “For Crimea” or something like that.

Let's get down to business


Now Western countries are living “relaxed”; the war is somewhere out there, far away, in Russia. Until the war comes home to them, the supply of weapons and support for the terrorist Kyiv regime will not stop.

The proposed scheme for using unknown BEC-kamikazes allows us to strike with impunity the ships and naval bases of our real enemy throughout the planet. They are not expecting an attack now, they are focused on causing maximum damage to our country, they still hope to win.

Their priorities need to change. It is necessary that NATO countries spend huge amounts of money on protecting their naval bases, so that the crews of their ships react nervously to every blip on the radar screen, so that there are no safe places left for them on the planet - given the number of foreign naval bases of NATO countries, we have plenty to choose from.

If Ukraine continues to attack not only military, but also civilian targets, then oil and gas tankers, drilling rigs, bulk carriers with mineral fertilizers, and much more may also begin to explode in the territorial waters of Great Britain, the United States and other European countries.

The time has come to move the red lines to enemy territory - Great Britain, the USA and other NATO countries must pay in full for the Crimean Bridge, for the Black Sea Fleet, for attacks on Russian cities and airfields.

They must either stop or feel the war on their own skin.
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  1. +112
    17 September 2023 04: 41
    They must either stop or feel the war on their own skin.

    To do this, as a seed, it would be necessary to damage a couple of transcontinental communication cables from the USA to Europe; there are interesting objects in the English Channel to probe their nerves; mines of unknown origin can be dropped off the coast of Britain.
    I would start with the British as the main instigators of the war against us... these bastards should be the first to answer for all the dirty tricks against our country.
    1. +69
      17 September 2023 05: 09
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I would start with the British as the main instigators of the war against us

      Consistency is important in this matter.
      First, you need to take revenge for Nord Streams, and then further down the list - an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
      1. +32
        17 September 2023 07: 05
        Author, give me that beast, I want that too. Why attack the English Navy in Portsmouth, there are wonderful places for this further from England. The Red Sea, the Red Sea, the Strait of Malacca and the Persian Gulf - “that’s not us, where is your evidence.” If whoever bombed you is not a reason for the third world war. The vulnerable place is offshore oil fields - but you need to sink the drilling rig and the rescuer who stands at each drilling rig, you can try and get to the oil storage platform and pipelines at the bottom. You can grunt so much that it will fail the entire oil field is with a big bad boom. It’s not us, it’s a man-made disaster. And especially for the author, yesterday in Finland they talked not only about banning the entry and exit of Russians with Russian license plates. Pay attention in full: Finland is very dependent on sea traffic along the Baltic sea ​​and it should pay attention to traffic through Sweden and Norway, road and railway transport. What is going to rush or attack in the Baltic Sea - “it’s not us, it’s the ubiquitous Ukrainians”, this is not a reason for retaliatory strikes. If you check the sea We don’t mind traffic, we will tolerate it for a while, but not for long.
        1. +2
          17 September 2023 07: 41
          Quote: tralflot1832
          this is not us, where is your evidence

          WHAT KIND???

        2. -3
          17 September 2023 07: 42
          And here we are ranting about how we will drown something in England, they guys “on the island” are no slouch - they act proactively, and prepare their people for our intended actions in response. Come back to earth, today is Sunday - then accept the right beast. Whiskey, for example, to think like the British.
          1. +15
            17 September 2023 08: 21
            The virtual economy is trying to fight for real, but... it can’t, it just “can’t pull it off”, alternatively gifted admirers of the second army of the world, from the “virtual” country of “pink ponies”, virtually sink enemy ships and rejoice at the “results”, especially those that their opponents are “virtually” silent and crawl away into their booths with their tails between their legs, whining pitifully. laughing lol True, this is all “virtual”, but who pays attention to such little things in a “virtual” country? For readers - we are talking about a “virtual country” - any similarities with existing countries are coincidental. Yes
            1. +11
              17 September 2023 08: 38
              The economy is so virtual that the United States purchased almost $1 billion worth of fertilizers from us, making it the second exporter to its market, after Canada, of course! Strange NWO, America pays for the disposal of its equipment, mercenaries and Ukrainians. They could, like with oil and gas, cancel trade with us, but no, they trade no matter what. bully
              1. -16
                17 September 2023 09: 06
                ABOUT! Nobody argues about the achievements of the “fifth economy in the world.” Remember this name: “Great Raw Materials Power”? wink By the way, why is this - why is this - such a pompous reception-visit of the leader of the DPRK? wink Why would this “great economy” suddenly descend to a country where central channels broadcast programs about the benefits of eating grass and other plants and recipes for their preparation?
                1. +8
                  17 September 2023 09: 22
                  Firstly, we have become a global exporter of agricultural products and fertilizers, unlike the USSR. The grain terminal in Novorossiysk mainly worked as a reception during the USSR. And look more at the propaganda from the South Caucasus. I would look at you if you ate grass and how you held a wrench in the hands of “52”, unless it’s two people. hi
                  1. -2
                    17 September 2023 09: 55
                    Yes, okay, over there, slaves and convicts in the quarries for thousands of years have been carrying and carrying weights heavier than a 52 mm wrench, all day long and while on a “convict diet.” And to brag about the export of raw materials, which are mined in the country for pennies, well...
                    1. +19
                      17 September 2023 11: 01
                      Quote: Monster_Fat
                      And to brag about the export of raw materials, which are mined in the country for pennies, well...

                      Dear! You're the one who got excited! As of 2020, Russia was implementing nuclear power plant projects in 12 countries. Rosatom's target program includes 35 power units abroad. 24 of them are currently under construction. This is the largest portfolio of orders in the world. Please note: HIGH TECH!
                      Yes, we can also organize the export of grain - 25% of the world. Export of weapons and military equipment...
                      And this is what you call the “raw materials appendage of the West”?
                      1. +30
                        17 September 2023 11: 48
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Dear! You're the one who got excited! As of 2020, Russia was implementing nuclear power plant projects in 12 countries. Rosatom's target program includes 35 power units abroad.

                        Can you find out how many power units Russia has “sold” in Russia itself?
                        And do you know how much a kilowatt is for an ordinary consumer in rubles today, for example in the Rostov region, where there are 4 power units of the Volgodonsk NPP?
                        And further. Could you please tell me where in the energy “nuclear power” such a concept as a social norm per kilowatt/hour appeared in the bills? lol
                      2. +1
                        18 September 2023 08: 44
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        And further. Could you please tell me where in the energy “nuclear power” such a concept as a social norm per kilowatt/hour appeared in the bills?

                        And this most likely indicates economic growth in the industrial sector. So expect an expansion of the energy complex in your region.
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        Can you find out how many power units Russia has “sold” in Russia itself?

                        This is open information, type a query in a search engine and get an answer.
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        And how much is a kilowatt for the average consumer today in rubles,

                        And this is about the greed of the local nouveau riche from the energy complex. If the authorities want economic growth, and in high value-added sectors, they should think about reducing excise taxes on electricity and petroleum products for transport. But this simple thought has not yet visited high offices.
                      3. +2
                        18 September 2023 13: 33
                        What are you explaining to him?! For people like these two frames, everything that is here is crap, but Tama is TAMA!
                      4. +1
                        19 September 2023 20: 12
                        Quote: bayard
                        And this most likely indicates economic growth in the industrial sector. So expect an expansion of the energy complex in your region.

                        laughing
                        I've been waiting for 10 years since the beginning of this "innovation" lol I only observe the collapse of factories and the construction of shopping centers with people. Is this what you mean by growth in the “industrial” sector?
                        We introduced it in 2013 due to “numerous requests from workers.” laughing It’s like Tereshkova was “inundated with letters” asking her to raise the retirement age.
                        In general, the authorities do not stop adopting “world experience” in robbing the population, including with the introduction of a social norm for electricity.
                        This is open information and you can also find it on the Internet. wink
                      5. +3
                        17 September 2023 12: 45
                        That's right, Rosatom is great. Adding to this the export of refined oil and gas products instead of raw materials would be absolutely great.
                      6. +1
                        18 September 2023 08: 47
                        Quote: Rostislav
                        Well done Rosatom. Adding to this the export of refined oil and gas products instead of raw materials would be absolutely great.

                        That's how it grows. Both oil and gas processing. And export of domestic gasoline and diesel fuel. Not to mention fuel oil. Moreover, the export of diesel fuel has been so ramped up that you can’t find diesel fuel at your gas stations in time for harvest... This is how hard it is for a country of victorious feudal capitalism to live without state planning.
                      7. +7
                        17 September 2023 18: 50
                        Hello, go here and look for mechanical engineering products in the structure of Russian exports
                        https://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/countries/186/export-basket

                        Yes, this is precisely the structure that is typical for countries that are raw material appendages. And this is 2021. And the grain... Well, you know better how honorable it is to export it. Crude oil doesn't just lie around either. You need to figure out how to dig a hole in the ground.
                      8. +2
                        18 September 2023 05: 37
                        What is “this” structure (characteristic of raw material appendage countries)? For the same Norway, crude oil exports for the same 2021 are 26%. Is it also a country of “raw materials appendage”?
                      9. +2
                        18 September 2023 08: 54
                        Quote: Ivan Pchelin
                        look for mechanical engineering products in the structure of Russian exports

                        This year, again, all of Africa came to Russia... the countries of the black continent are asking us to modernize their energy sector, build railways, open branches of their universities, supply weapons, aircraft, thermal power plants, nuclear power plants, energy distribution lines\networks, supply rolling stock for railways\ d...automotive and other equipment, tractors, agricultural machinery... This is a good market and a reason for reviving our own industrial production. The domestic market is still not enough for us to re-industrialize.
                        And now North Korea is also a very good market. And we have something to take from there in return.
                        If only we could return the state monopoly on banking and banking services. The efficiency of the economy would immediately shoot up.
                      10. -2
                        18 September 2023 17: 10
                        The countries of the black continent are asking us to modernize their energy sector, build railways, open branches of their universities, supply weapons, aircraft, thermal power plants, nuclear power plants, energy distribution lines\networks, supply rolling stock for railways... automobile and other equipment, tractors, agricultural machinery ... This is a good market and a reason to revive our own industrial production." They ask, but don't want to buy. Raising your production in this way is not good. There will be no good wages in factories. In our country, no one wants to go to work in a factory; you can earn the same amount in a boutique.
                      11. +2
                        18 September 2023 22: 53
                        Yes, your train of thought is strange. You should understand what the West needs from Africa. These are the richest reserves of mineral resources. And the Russian Federation is not the USSR, which did everything for free... And there are immediate results, for example, stopping the supply of uranium to the Franks, which will lead to the collapse of the energy sector of one of the pillars of the EU. Russia should pay or supply goods to Niger just to stop uranium supplies, again this will lead to increased Russian control over the nuclear fuel market. And these funds will pay off repeatedly, both indirectly and directly. Like with Syria with the Jabad Nafti superfield. The main thing is not that we are not pumping it out of it (yet), but the main thing is that they (the West) are not pumping it. Regarding grain... the main competitor is Ukraine with grain in abundance, and its best arable lands are just that. Only this will pay off in the near future and now the prices are low, but they will skyrocket...
                      12. 0
                        19 September 2023 09: 43
                        Quote: hrych
                        And there are immediate results, for example, stopping the supply of uranium to the Franks will lead to the collapse of the energy sector of one of the pillars of the EU.

                        Franks also receive uranium from Kazakhstan, and as if no more than theirs from Niger. But the prices from Africa for the francs were, of course, just junk, and they gave no more than 10-15% to the local princes. In addition, it is useful not only to cut uranium for France, but also to obtain an additional resource base for Rosatom. Those rubles that Rosatom will pay for uranium will be used to purchase our equipment, weapons and other programs. And there is also copper, rare earths, iron ore and coking coals.
                        Quote: hrych
                        Ukraine with grain in flight

                        The difficulties of sea exports are now being resolved through Romania.
                        Quote: hrych
                        and its best arable lands are just that.

                        There are not so many of their lands “bye-bye”, although if an offensive follows, then maybe this will happen.
                        Quote: hrych
                        Now the prices are low, but they will skyrocket...

                        Now Ukrainian grain is being dumped, and on the European market. If they manage to organize sea trade to other regions, they will fail there too. Their consumption has now dropped significantly, the population is no more than 20 million, so there is now even more grain for export than before.
                        According to the laws of war, everything is now being done correctly in relation to Africa. Perhaps it will be possible to completely cleanse it from Western countries and companies. But they just need to be replaced. You can’t love markets that have fallen “from the sky”, and you can’t restart your industry based on these markets. And the African markets for our products and companies are very convenient - in terms of our own range of enterprises.
                      13. -1
                        19 September 2023 09: 12
                        Quote: pin_code
                        They ask, but don't want to buy.

                        They want to buy it. Ready to pay, or arrange counter deliveries. Now China has seriously entered Africa, trading there for yuan, they have yuan, they are ready to pay in them or other currencies.
                        Our enterprises are not loaded with orders, but mechanical engineering and other industrial sectors. production has deteriorated due to the lack of markets. The nouveau riche of the Russian Federation launched imported goods, businesses, and equipment into the country, and as a result, demand for their own products fell. And even more so, foreign markets were lost (and the USSR’s exports consisted of machinery, machine tools, equipment, and manufactured goods). Therefore, to restart our own industry, we need a MARKET. Either internal with 250 - 300 million solvent buyers, or external. Moreover, Africa is convenient for us as a market - our goods, machines, and equipment there are quite competitive.
                        The West deliberately prevents African countries from developing and denies them the modernization of their energy sector. Some countries, through the embassies of the Russian Federation, approached us with proposals and requests... Our ambassador (he said) could not find a contractor in the Russian Federation himself, and it was not his profile, but the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and ministries in the Russian Federation work... very... VERY specific. As a result, he advised them to contact our companies themselves... and our companies simply ignored them.
                        Is it scary for the nouveau riche to go to Africa?
                        Apparently yes - it’s scary, and unusual, and a lot of things are unclear with regard to logistics, calculations, organization of employee safety... A serious interstate program is needed. The state (!) should deal with this. And create all the conditions.
                        Not as a gift to Africans.
                        Not a non-refundable loan.
                        The Soviet Union knew how to work like that. And although it was he who gave out a lot of loans, these were ruble loans, they were spent in the USSR itself - they went to pay for supplied goods, equipment, and payment for the services of specialists. And the conditions were indeed preferential.
                        But these loans (and almost ALL of them) should have been repaid in the early/mid 90s. And until the early/mid 00s. And they owed us something from 550 to 750 billion transferable rubles. Multiply by one and a half - we get the amount in dollars.
                        And all these debts, in the form of money or commodity supplies, were supposed to wake up as a “golden shower” on the USSR in... those same “holy 90s”... And in the West a terrible crisis was just about to break out... Then we would the whole west is on a bend and galloped around. Together with the entire "System of Socialism".
                        But the degenerate “communists” were offered to kill their Great Country and become bourgeois. Give up all your markets, all allies, trading partners, all your influence in the world and your military power... for the right to plunder the wreckage of your own country.
                        Quote: pin_code
                        There will be no good wages in factories.

                        If some African country asks to build a railway with all the branches, infrastructure and rolling stock... or a nuclear power plant... or a thermal power plant... do you think that on these orders at Russian enterprises, wages will fall or increase? After all, there will be more orders. And more workers will be needed. And in order to attract new workers, they need to be offered good wages.
                        In the Soviet Union they taught Political Economy... and even non-core graduates of Soviet universities understood economic issues. Now they teach "Economics" .... it is the rarest game, it does not give real knowledge and UNDERSTANDING ... that is why there are disputes when the issue is completely obvious.
                      14. +3
                        18 September 2023 11: 15
                        And will they pay? Belarus, India, Bangladesh. Well, it’s clear with the Turks, they’ll pay with tomatoes. Belarusians with potatoes. We’ll build Hungary out of friendship for their position. India with their candy wrappers will pay with what? Again, with the friendship of peoples?
                      15. 0
                        19 September 2023 10: 02
                        Quote from igork735
                        Will they pay?

                        They themselves shout out loud - “We are ready to pay in any currency”, “We have money”. And if there is, then how can such a market not be “eaten up”?
                        Quote from igork735
                        Belarus, India, Bangladesh.

                        Belarus is paying off its loans. Moreover, today the trade balance does not seem to be in its favor. There are a ton of orders for Belarusian machines, equipment, chips and electronics (mainly military) - customers are standing in line. So don't worry about Belarus. They don’t have oil, but they have preserved industry. And now they are going to build airplanes at home (our nouveau riche couldn’t), and the technological lines that Chubais purchased but did not launch, Putin gave to Old Man - “maybe you can do it, otherwise we have no one.” He doesn’t allow you to steal and asks for what is assigned.
                        Quote from igork735
                        ,India

                        Special thanks to Manturov for his “great achievements”. This is his job - to bring oil to India in immeasurable volumes with a huge discount and for ... rupees, which they can neither convert nor spend in order to export them in goods ... You see, their legislation is like this. For 40 billion dollars. almost rupees were stuck... And now the gypsies have offered to invest all these rupees... in India itself - they say, “we will offer you and show you WHERE.” Now they are deciding how to withdraw it.
                        Quote from igork735
                        ,Bangladesh

                        What's wrong with these? We are building nuclear power plants for them... according to the Rosatom program. Don't pay? So this is not because there is nothing - transactions through the dollar are impossible ... they are looking for workarounds. One of them is to pay in yuan.
                        Quote from igork735
                        .Well, it’s clear with the Turks, I paid with tomatoes

                        Not only . There are parallel imports, straits, gas pipelines, nuclear power plants under a special program (we are building them for ourselves, the property of Rosatom). There is no way without Turkey and its straits now.
                        Quote from igork735
                        We will build friendship with Hungary for their position.

                        What's wrong with Hungary? She pays. She is solvent. And their policy is sovereign... they are friends with the Pope.
                        Quote from igork735
                        .India with their candy wrappers, how will they pay? Again, the friendship of peoples?

                        Yes, we will find something to take from India. Where will she go?
                    2. -4
                      17 September 2023 11: 17
                      Monstr Fe. We both went to sea, after how long the pompolit was called to the crew’s salon, the chaos usually began from there if the chef began to indulge in fish for lunch and dinner? A day or two?
                      1. 0
                        17 September 2023 14: 53
                        You know, I have long had no illusions about the fact that our nation is “super-duper” correct and as “Christ-bearing” as they want to present it, the savior of the whole world. When I worked at Udarnik, the first thing the contingent at SRTMK wanted to do was cut me up for a simple reason - I (due to ignorance - it was my first time there) did not bring them vodka for registration and gave it to one very active seaman who began to download his license . And if you were among the fishermen, then you know very well the practice of those times, when we went out to Kildin and stood there for several days, until the crew consumed all the vodka, fought and returned to normal. hi
                    3. +2
                      18 September 2023 07: 26
                      Quote: Monster_Fat
                      Yes, okay, over there, slaves and convicts in the quarries for thousands of years have been carrying and carrying weights heavier than a 52 mm wrench, all day long and while on a “convict diet.” And to brag about the export of raw materials, which are mined in the country for pennies, well...

                      Now, tell me specifically, what economy can single-handedly fight with 50 other economies? Why don’t you like the DPRK? You don’t like everyone who lives by their own wits and doesn’t look into America’s mouth
                  2. +18
                    17 September 2023 22: 08
                    Quote: tralflot1832
                    Firstly, we have become a global exporter of agricultural products and fertilizers, unlike the USSR.

                    And before that, we were one of the top three manufacturers of machine tools. wink
                    And in order to annoy the West, you don’t need to blow up ships, you need to stop supplying resources to the West. And start developing your industry.
                  3. +2
                    18 September 2023 06: 53
                    The fat monster passionately hates Russians and Russia. So, for him, we are all Asians with greedy, slanted eyes.... Solid Scythians and yes, there are such among us.... There's our Minister of Defense, for example.. hee hee hee... He's the spitting image of a Scythian.., ugh, a Tuvinian.. Entirely incompetent, scoundrels and drunkards... And planes, ships, spacecraft and nuclear power plants were built and invented by aliens. Fie on him... Let him spray poison, anger from his Ashdod. He will choke and die..... European pancake with sidelocks...
              2. +3
                17 September 2023 09: 12
                Downsiders you have 7 billion rubles for export duties on fertilizers to pay for the disposal of the Ukrainian Reich. I understand, it’s a shame, but the whole world is with you. It’s unpleasant to receive a 152 mm shell from a Russian cannon on a Nazi’s head, realizing that it was paid for by self-propelled Joe. Accept this as It’s a given, this is not an American shell, but a Russian one. Bzdyn in English and in Russian - Bzdyn and no Natsik. good
              3. +3
                17 September 2023 13: 16
                What is much strange is that they sold fertilizers to the fsha. Embargo is a word, but gee.
            2. +5
              17 September 2023 13: 15
              The whole sad thing is in the red lines. You just need to hit Britain in the teeth, and it will hurt a lot. Then immediately everyone will understand.
          2. +4
            17 September 2023 10: 53
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Whiskey, for example, to think like the British.


            It’s better then to have tea intravenously in the morning - you wanted a beast and not a lowering one? wassat
            1. +2
              17 September 2023 11: 06
              Simple. I don’t like tea, there’s always a problem with the tea leaves in the cabin, where to put it. It’s possible to put it in the sink, but it’s not advisable. It’s in the sink, so the wind is always on my side. I’m a coffee lover. hi
              1. +3
                17 September 2023 14: 11
                The tea lasts longer.
                The reason is clear.
                hi
          3. 0
            17 September 2023 13: 12
            Tea or coffee is quite enough, there are no comrades for the taste and color. Just like your red seas, and our English ones too.
          4. +1
            19 September 2023 17: 16
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Come back from heaven to earth

            Quote: Ivan Pchelin
            You need to figure out how to dig a hole in the ground.

            That's rude.
            Oil workers will not agree with you.
            The weather, the conditions, the position of Saturn, everything is against them.
            In other countries (in their opinion), oil will flow directly from the pipe to the refinery.
            Never, never, parents whose children live, study and have citizenship/nationality of Great Britain, France (the daughter of a mustache), grandchildren and granddaughters of one big official (in Israel), will give a secret and, all the more, explicit order to attack even a mouse that is under protection of the Union Jack, or the striped star, and especially the flag with the Star of David.

            Political castrates will never do this.
          5. 0
            20 September 2023 13: 01
            Mitrofanov does not understand that two people can launch fire ships.
        3. +14
          17 September 2023 09: 00
          The time has come to move the red lines to enemy territory - Great Britain, the USA and other NATO countries must pay in full for the Crimean Bridge, for the Black Sea Fleet, for attacks on Russian cities and airfields.

          "Dreams, dreams! where is your sweetness?"
          So far, their weapons, drones, reconnaissance are causing us damage...
        4. -1
          17 September 2023 12: 21
          What does the Red Sea have to do with it? They should experience it at home!
          1. +1
            18 September 2023 06: 57
            Quote: pin_code
            What does the Red Sea have to do with it? They should experience it at home!

            What difference does it make where they feel humiliation? Yes, even in the Antarctic seas. The main thing is that it would be painful and humiliating for them...
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        6. +1
          18 September 2023 12: 13
          And who will give the order for such a development of events? It looks like we don’t have such leaders. Conquer some Ukrainian farm, please. We will stamp medals and, significantly, in front of the lenses of film cameras, we will reward those who have distinguished themselves for this feat. And it's all! We swim shallowly, and our guides don’t have seven feet under the keel.
      2. +15
        17 September 2023 07: 07
        Quote: Comrade
        Consistency is important in this matter.


        And first, the political will to take such a course.... for now, we do not react in any way to the aggressive actions of Great Britain/USA against us. It is possible, after all, to sever diplomatic relations with the UK, prohibit Russian companies from trading with companies from the UK, prohibit the placement of shares and, in general, any assets in the jurisdiction of London.... make legislative amendments and designate the UK as an aggressor state against our country and continue to work in this direction ...

        Start helping countries/regimes that are opponents of Great Britain, set the goal of causing damage in all areas to this country, including through military methods, etc. but you need WILL and desire, which don’t exist yet.
        1. +5
          17 September 2023 12: 08
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          sever diplomatic relations with Great Britain, prohibit Russian companies from trading with companies from Great Britain, prohibit the placement of shares and, in general, any assets in the jurisdiction of London....

          So this is exactly what the Anglo-Saxons are trying to achieve: to squeeze Russia out of everything, to isolate it from the world and to lower the “iron curtain”. Or is this not what all the sanctions are aimed at?
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          designate Great Britain as an aggressor state against our country
          Unproven? Organize profanation at the UN site? Catch him by the hand and flog him as expected...And so - “Kremlin propaganda!” The media is in the hands of the West. We will appear to the world as a humiliated laughingstock. Do you want that?
          Quote: Aleksandr21
          to help countries/regimes that are opponents of Great Britain, with the goal of causing damage in all areas to this country, including through military methods, etc.
          But here I completely agree with you... And I don’t even object to “military methods”... But only “proxy”, that is, by someone else’s hands! Those who want to spoil an Englishwoman are a dime a dozen! But you just need to pay “from the breadth of the Russian soul”, and not be stingy.. “twenty rubles each”!
          AHA.
          1. +4
            17 September 2023 13: 12
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            So this is exactly what the Anglo-Saxons are trying to achieve: to squeeze Russia out of everything, to isolate it from the world and to lower the “iron curtain”. Or is this not what all the sanctions are aimed at?


            It's a little different being isolated from the UK and being isolated from the rest of the world. Russia, for example, will only benefit from a severance of cooperation with the Britons in all areas (especially since there is no such cooperation). Russian companies will be registered in Russian jurisdiction (offshore zones), or in extreme cases, Kazakhstan/Asia, i.e. With such actions we will undermine London’s efforts to maintain its position as a financial world leader, and then the rest will follow us... after all, it will be more convenient to trade with Russia through other financial centers, without intermediaries/sanctions and any legal obstacles.

            With the diplomatic one too, what’s the point of maintaining our relations? Seizure of Russian assets, unfriendly actions towards citizens of the Russian Federation, and almost direct participation in the war with Russia.... except for the oligarchs, Russian citizens will not suffer from this.

            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Unproven? Organize profanation at the UN site? Catch him by the hand and flog him as expected...And so - “Kremlin propaganda!” The media is in the hands of the West. We will appear to the world as a humiliated laughingstock. Do you want that?


            Why without? The fact that the UK supplies weapons to Ukraine, which attack Russian territory and our infrastructure, is not news, participation in the coordination of UAVs (which fly over Moscow and other cities) is aggressive actions, if there is a desire, then we can collect evidence for the UN.... but the point is ? What will this solve or change in the eyes of the world community?

            So, IMHO, it’s time to act without regard to the UN and other structures that are not working.... sanctions have already been added to nowhere, the war is being waged by someone else’s hands, where else? It’s time to start answering, at least in some way to answer.... and the fact that some are afraid of a big war, for Russia it is already underway, people are dying, in large numbers, a load of 200 is not uncommon even in my small town and no one will feel sorry for Russia, They will only increase the pressure and finish.

            And the only chance to stop everything... is to start raising the stakes, snap back, strike seriously without regard for the consequences, then in the West they will think that their cities will already burn and there will be no winners in the nuclear exchange, and if we expose ourselves as weaklings then and no one will want to negotiate with us.....
      3. +13
        17 September 2023 09: 34
        I completely disagree with the author! No.
        An attack by NATO ships outside the waters of Ukraine is an escalation of the conflict, a direct involvement of NATO in the war and an expansion of the geography of battles to virtually the entire world! fool
        You can shake your head as much as you like, like it’s not us, but the author himself writes that Britain should take the hint, they will understand it differently: Chinese drones will begin to attack our infrastructure in the Far East and Siberia, and they will chase our ships around the world unknown drones, all ships coming from the Russian Federation will be slowed down for inspection, which will actually lead to a naval blockade of the Russian Federation, because all the work of the shadow fleet, ensuring the export of oil and everything else, will be paralyzed. A monument to the author was erected in Kyiv, next to Bandera laughing
        If we could resolve the issue through escalation, then the red lines would not be an empty phrase
        1. +1
          17 September 2023 10: 55
          Maybe so, but if you hammer only the British, then the rest may be left on the sidelines, led by the United States. Because if, as you said, “everyone harnesses themselves”, they begin to drown our people around the world. Then our people will be drowned, and this is World War 3. And if you pull only one country, Britain, by the collar, then there is a chance that it will remain alone with us.
          1. +3
            17 September 2023 12: 07
            Quote: alebdun2000
            but if you hammer only the British, then the rest may be left aside, led by the USA

            It won’t work out this way, the prestige of the United States as an ally is at stake, the government of Afghanistan is one thing and quite another, these are the closest allies who harnessed themselves under pressure or at the request of the United States, or like England as a partner in Ukraine. am If the United States merges during an attack on an ally’s fleet, then NATO will automatically end
        2. +2
          17 September 2023 14: 25
          The reasoning in the article is similar, but what if they don’t have enough guts? And so on. The United States will harness itself to Britain as well as its closest allies.
        3. 0
          17 September 2023 21: 20
          The question is: why isn’t NATO doing all this right now? It is usually not difficult for Americans and English to come up with a formal occasion. Maybe they also don’t want such a sudden escalation and would prefer not to notice the fighter’s loss?
      4. 0
        19 September 2023 19: 57
        Quote: Comrade
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        I would start with the British as the main instigators of the war against us

        Consistency is important in this matter.
        First, you need to take revenge for Nord Streams, and then further down the list - an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

        I have only one question for now. Where does the information about the sunken destroyer come from? Looks like a duck. It’s just that I didn’t find anything like this in a quick look in the English-language media. And in Russian-speaking languages, the same text is everywhere, which is given here.
      5. +1
        19 September 2023 22: 17
        Quote: Comrade
        First we need to take revenge for Nord Streams

        To begin with, we need a “national elite” capable of taking such steps, and who does not have real estate or relatives in the countries where “retaliation strikes” are carried out. And only then the “sequence” and “BACK-kamikaze”!
    2. +7
      17 September 2023 06: 59
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      I would start with the British as the main instigators of the war against us.

      Britain is what we need for a war with naval drones. Gas and oil derricks, blocking of the Dover and French Canals, ports and shipyards, and the naval base. Everything is in sight and nearby, and in the commotion no one can figure out who is hitting and where.
      1. +4
        17 September 2023 12: 27
        Quote: carpenter
        Gas and oil derricks, blocking of the Dover and French Canals, ports and shipyards, and the naval base.
        Have you seen the movie "Professional"? As the main character said: everything should look like an accident! This is the aerobatics of sabotage work... Look, our number of fires has sharply (!) increased. Everyone can guess where the legs are coming from, but there is no direct evidence until the “arsonist” is caught. And recruitment through TLF is written with a pitchfork. You can’t attach it to the case as 100% evidence.
        And one more question: - Do we still have such specialists? Are we able to organize a convincing setup (cover operation)? Have we developed information support for such an “ex”? And so you can ask a lot more questions...
        Quote: carpenter
        Everything is in sight and nearby, and in the commotion no one can figure out who is hitting and where.
        Firstly, you don’t need to think that the enemy is stupider than you, a “steep-headed” intellectual...
        Secondly, do you remember Kozyrev, Kulagin, and other characters of the 5th column? Yes, even the current Kuzminov... ready to sell not only his homeland, but also his own mother for a barrel of jam and a pack of cookies. (The Augean stables still stand uncleaned!)
        Doesn’t the fact that “moles” exist bother you?
        You have accomplished your plan, and the next morning in some New York Times they will publish documents on this “ex” for you... What then should you do? - Start TMV?
        Therefore, let grandmasters play on the big chessboard! Our job is to support them morally and, if possible, through deeds.
        IMHO.
        1. +1
          18 September 2023 08: 52
          Quote: BoA KAA

          Therefore, let grandmasters play on the big chessboard!
          IMHO.

          If only they played on their own
      2. +4
        17 September 2023 12: 50
        The purely technical weak point in this project is the use of the enemy’s space Internet. The user will be easily identified.
    3. +4
      17 September 2023 07: 26
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      They must either stop or feel the war on their own skin.

      To do this, as a seed, it would be necessary to damage a couple of transcontinental communication cables from the USA to Europe; there are interesting objects in the English Channel to probe their nerves; mines of unknown origin can be dropped off the coast of Britain.
      I would start with the British as the main instigators of the war against us... these bastards should be the first to answer for all the dirty tricks against our country.

      Can you imagine if the same mines of unknown origin appear near St. Petersburg or Vladivostok? It's a double-edged blade. Do you want the conflict to escalate?
      1. -2
        17 September 2023 13: 48
        It’s not what we want, it’s us who are already pushing into it. What is the problem? Draw new red lines?
        1. +2
          17 September 2023 15: 50
          Quote: pin_code
          It’s not what we want, it’s us who are already pushing into it. What is the problem? Draw new red lines?

          The red lines are drawn by UN General Assembly Resolution 3314 of 1974, and surprisingly no one crosses them or even comes close to them.
        2. -1
          18 September 2023 18: 37
          And China will also help our country to get into conflict with the West. Just like I help Ukraine. Like in a puppet theater.
    4. +6
      17 September 2023 08: 07
      Andrey, first you need to make the same processors for yourself, then the price of both the refrigerator and the washing machine will drop significantly. Yes, and India is eager to have its own production of microprocessors without asking stupid questions like “who will we sell them to”? We need to do something for ourselves so that there is real import substitution. And regarding attacks on fleets, the NATO Kremlin liberals will never agree to this! Someone has too much power in their small intestine to make a real firm decision on tough counteraction by destroying warships anywhere in the world.
      1. -1
        18 September 2023 10: 02
        Quote: Thrifty
        Andrey, to begin with, you need to make the same processors for yourself, then both the refrigerator and the washing machine will greatly fall in price.
        You can buy such processors in China in bulk, there is no point in building factories for them. And they will not cost any less - find a Russian-made kettle in the store that is cheaper than a Chinese one
        1. 0
          18 September 2023 22: 07
          Hee, grandma doesn’t have any processors on her washboard, although she also has a cordless iron (charcoal).
    5. -1
      17 September 2023 09: 37
      Dreams, dreams, Where is your sweetness? ..
      The dreams are gone, the disgusting remains,
      And instead of drones from the bay
      Heap, “Sha,kalov” beyond the foggy Strait...
    6. -1
      17 September 2023 12: 01
      Why connection? What about the electrical cable in the English Channel that recently burned down? Let it burn one more time, with all the cables burning. The delivery time for a new one is a couple of years.
    7. +1
      17 September 2023 15: 38
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      They must either stop or feel the war on their own skin.

      To do this, as a seed, it would be necessary to damage a couple of transcontinental communication cables from the USA to Europe; there are interesting objects in the English Channel to probe their nerves; mines of unknown origin can be dropped off the coast of Britain.
      I would start with the British as the main instigators of the war against us... these bastards should be the first to answer for all the dirty tricks against our country.

      After which all that shadow fleet will go underwater. Like “terrorist according to all intelligence services in the world” (tm)
      1. 0
        18 September 2023 11: 20
        Why don’t they hit Ukraine with this, they should bring a trailer and give it to the ukrov guns, otherwise everyone is shooting from ships. And a truck with such missiles is difficult to notice. Is that why everything was sold abroad and not at home?
    8. -1
      17 September 2023 22: 28
      "the British as the main leaders of the war..." the British are Anglo-Saxons, their entire ethnic syndicate (Britain, USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand), among other things, united by the "five eyes" project - is a mad dog *
      They have no goal and are driven by irrational aggression.
      It is impossible to come to an agreement with them, since they do not have a rational goal, they are driven by irrational aggression, that is, there is no basis for agreement.

      It is this phenomenon of irrational aggressiveness, not characteristic of nature, that they themselves call the “sinister intellectual superiority of the Anglo-Saxon”... this is nothing more than the boasting of a mad dog...

      They have no goal... they are driven, like a sick animal, by fears and the product of which is aggression... such aggressive behavior is contrary to the design of nature... how an animal will die of illness, sometimes having time to infect others... this is the end awaits this unfortunate subculture, whose raison d'être is aggression...
      This subculture is also dangerous for the environment, because aggressiveness is transmitted along with the English language... the language of barbarism..
      Each of us men must realize that there is a war going on to destroy culture and civilization on the planet.
      Every man must realize that we are dealing with a mad dog.
      Which will stop at nothing... uranium or uranium, so viruses and genes... ...... because she is mad..

      Mad dogs are shot... but since we are talking about our brothers in species here, we will treat...
      What should be done, and this should be done constantly - to bring to their attention that we, on the basis of the aggressive behavior of the Anglo-Saxons, for what they organized in Ukraine, where brother shoots at brother - we hold them for a mad dog that should be treated.
      And we will cure them one way or another...

      * who doesn’t believe, look at the history of the formation of this subculture - this is a millennium of murders, robberies, raids ... at the same time, the connection of times was lost ... the loss of the language of culture, traditions and taboos - the peoples who participated in this ...
    9. -1
      18 September 2023 11: 07
      In order for them to fully feel this in their own skin, we urgently need to get rid of all these concepts of ours that are not appropriate at this time, well, what the hell can there be nobility now, what kind of tolerance with tolerance, all these are remnants of the liberal pro-Western system, which greatly interferes we need to be as tough and decisive as possible towards our enemies, and if our enemies are not afraid of us, then why on earth will they respect us???
    10. 0
      18 September 2023 17: 35
      Or can the Channel Tunnel be damaged?
    11. 0
      27 September 2023 23: 46
      Such kamikaze BECs are not a problem for the Russian military-industrial complex... The problem is the lack of political will to use them... And such mini BECs are used something like this: a “commercial” cargo ship sails quietly and does not bother anyone, and when it approaches 100 or 200 miles to the enemy naval base, then quickly launches several BEC for attack and sails on... By the way, both the Germans and the British actively used (and probably are now using) merchant ships for military purposes...
  2. +10
    17 September 2023 04: 41
    The destruction of British Navy warships by unidentified unmanned boats is a signal to all NATO countries
    Where are these unmanned ones? So far we see them only in the arsenal of the Ukrainian fascists. What are we even talking about? Don’t talk nonsense, as Vasilich has to say! And he's a smart guy. True, I lost my service keys in Germany - but who hasn’t? There were probably official and party decisions, after which the comrade ended up where he came from to the Office, that is, to Leningrad State University. And here it was Sobchak from Kazakhstan, and everything worked out very well, the perestroika, the guy’s alteration was probably noticed by enemy intelligence... .
    Drozdov, when meeting with an American colleague, the latter said after drinking a lot that you, that is, Russia, will be amazed when you find out who was our agent in the leadership of Russia (in the sense of theirs). Who could it be? winked
  3. +12
    17 September 2023 04: 44
    I also think that it is high time for them to respond, otherwise British missiles controlled by the United States are striking at shipyards and infrastructure, and only non-brothers receive a response. The United States and Great Britain need to feel a response, of course not an official one.
  4. +5
    17 September 2023 04: 45
    Fair, but not rational. For the northern stream, blowing up a tunnel under the Channel... is equivalent, but irrational from the current logic...
    B- let's bang, but then
    1. +8
      17 September 2023 04: 58
      The tunnel is more suitable as revenge for the bridge
    2. 0
      17 September 2023 13: 54
      And what exactly is not rational? They do not look at the casualties when using their missiles and intelligence and the cost of restoring facilities, I am simply silent that people’s lives cannot be assessed, and it is impossible to assess it. They could give birth to a great artist, scientist, writer. Everything is possible! Why not take an adequate fee from the same angels??. An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth!
  5. +31
    17 September 2023 04: 57
    I don’t understand, is this a real case or the artistic fantasies of a teenager who is bullied, but in his dreams he takes terrible revenge on the offenders?
    1. AUL
      +10
      17 September 2023 07: 34
      Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
      I don’t understand, is this a real case or the artistic fantasies of a teenager who is bullied, but in his dreams he takes terrible revenge on the offenders?

      More like the second one! Moreover, all these wet fantasies could be expressed in four to five phrases, and not swell into an entire article.
    2. -13
      17 September 2023 07: 51
      Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
      I don’t understand if this is a real incident or the artistic fantasies of a teenager...

      Why did you pour out your caustic bile from an adult but ill-informed user? Enter any line in the search and everything will become clear to you... If you have no hands, and you have been taught to speak, lick and tease with your tongue, then I hasten to inform you that this is a hypothetical situation invented by the author to illustrate the topic of the article...
      Nothing personal, just a response to rudeness...
      hi
      1. +16
        17 September 2023 10: 10
        Similar “articles” with different fantasies “about” began to appear more and more often and will continue to appear, as attempts to find at least some way out of that hopelessness. a dead end where they drove themselves. Just a "statement of fact".
        1. 0
          17 September 2023 11: 03
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Just a "statement of fact".


          Just monetization of an idea.
          By the way, you fell for it too.
      2. 0
        17 September 2023 14: 02
        Quite a comprehensive answer, hello fellow countryman!
    3. -1
      17 September 2023 13: 59
      The author is most likely talking about an adequate response (red lines), as it should be in the current situation.
    4. 0
      17 September 2023 13: 59
      The author is most likely talking about an adequate response (red lines), as it should be in the current situation.
  6. +5
    17 September 2023 05: 10
    Quote: Radikal
    Who could it be?

    Who did you think of? smile
    If you comb through Yeltsin’s legacy on this subject...hehehe, I’m even afraid to hint.
  7. +15
    17 September 2023 05: 10
    The scenario of such an attack is realistic, but stupid. The remains of such boats will be found, raised and thoroughly examined... which will give a lot of insight into where they came from and whose they are.
    You need to act WISELY, that is, with someone else’s hands. The Britons have enough enemies for us to “shine” ourselves
    1. +6
      17 September 2023 05: 45
      The remains of such boats will be found, raised and thoroughly examined... which will give a lot of insight into where they came from and whose they are.

      You apparently didn't read the article carefully.
      This could be a ready-made BEC-kamikaze model, a set of components, or even just instructions for purchasing and assembling them. Not a single Russian component - It’s not difficult, isn’t it? Starlink satellite communication set or its equivalent. As a combat unit, something common, imported, something that “freedom fighters” can get.
      1. +8
        17 September 2023 07: 41
        Quote: Grandfather is an amateur
        You apparently didn't read the article carefully.

        It’s just that the author has absolutely no knowledge of modern technology. The British will turn to the USA, the USA will turn to Musk and will receive full tracking of the movement of boats. They will receive financial contacts who paid for the terminals and other important information. Therefore, in a couple of days, British intelligence will tell the names and ranks of those who organized this
    2. -1
      17 September 2023 07: 16
      Quote: svp67
      You need to act WISELY, that is, with someone else’s hands

      That's right. You can set ISIS or some Al Qaeda against them. They blew up two skyscrapers in New York, and with our help they will blow up even more, and even put Europe on the spot. This will be fun!

      I don’t have a TV at home, but I’ll definitely buy one so I can admire the burning skyscrapers and eyes bulging in fear while drinking beer civilized Westerners... wink
      1. +8
        17 September 2023 10: 29
        Hmm ...
        He taught the citizens of the USSR about the friendship of peoples, taught that all workers (even in the USA) are friends.
        And now individual citizens want to raise “tame” monsters for bloody slaughter?
        Are the Syrians likely to understand us if ISIS expands?
        And aren’t you afraid that radical ideas may sink into the souls of our migrants?
        1. -6
          17 September 2023 10: 45
          Quote: Russian_Ninja
          He taught the citizens of the USSR about the friendship of peoples, taught that all workers (even in the USA) are friends

          You probably live in some other world? Don’t you know that our country is subject to sanctions, these ones of yours? friends? A friends you need to crush them like cockroaches and crush them by any means, even those after which you need to wash your hands...
          1. +6
            17 September 2023 17: 28
            So sanctions are only for our benefit, or not anymore?
            Well, God bless him - I'm interested in your measures. Pressure by any means - who? Your messages are not directed at those who talk about war in governments, but at the electorate - the citizens.
            Yes, we can say that they don’t like us there, just as we don’t like them. But I will never take into account the ideas of terrorism and intimidation (in this case, all condemnation of other countries for their sins is a fart in a puddle)
          2. 0
            17 September 2023 17: 40
            If you had written about blowing up cables, confiscating their property, etc., I wouldn’t have said a word
          3. +8
            17 September 2023 18: 40
            Quote: Luminman
            But friends must be crushed like cockroaches and crushed by any means, even those after which you need to wash your hands...

            And then people like you in other comments denounce someone as fascists and criminals.
    3. +5
      17 September 2023 07: 59
      Quote: svp67
      The scenario of such an attack is realistic, but stupid.

      Especially with regard to foreign explosives, which are bursting with caches and firing ranges, various spare parts and tags stuck on the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine...
      laughing
      Quote: svp67
      The Britons have enough enemies for us to “shine” ourselves

      There are many enemies, but Russia will definitely be blamed.
      However, our loyalty to this land of two-faced buggers is beginning to irritate...
    4. -2
      17 September 2023 14: 12
      Uh... No! They need to be shown who punished them. To put your tail down and think more realistically in the future. He struck (no matter by whose hands), received a response (and it was better not a destroyer, Lizka is more suitable). These T... (D. Yu. Vishnevsky) won’t understand it any other way. Therefore, it was necessary to hit him immediately and painfully, and not chew the snot. This is my personal opinion and it may differ from yours)
      1. +1
        17 September 2023 14: 29
        Quote: pin_code
        Uh... No! They need to be shown who punished them. To put your tail down and think more realistically in the future. He struck (no matter by whose hands), received a response (and it was better not a destroyer, Lizka is more suitable). These T... (D. Yu. Vishnevsky) won’t understand it any other way. Therefore, it was necessary to hit him immediately and painfully, and not chew the snot. This is my personal opinion and it may differ from yours)

        and my opinion is that in order to run into a gang with a thug at the head alone, you need to have some kind of confidence in your abilities that you can cope with them, besides pathos and memories that 30 years ago “I was wow”... and if you start a “song” about nuclear weapons, then in the method you propose, the most reasonable thing is to strike first, so that more delivery vehicles have time to take off, since in all other non-nuclear scenarios, well, you understand, yes?.. that is, you decided that you have already lived ( like all your loved ones), is it possible to start a nuclear war? I don't agree..
        1. -2
          17 September 2023 17: 44
          Why did you decide that a nuclear war would start immediately? There are no fools there either and they will simply swallow any answer. Moreover, everyone was warned. And the fact that they didn’t believe it... That’s their problem.
          1. +1
            17 September 2023 21: 18
            Quote: pin_code
            Why did you decide that a nuclear war would start immediately? There are no fools there either and they will simply swallow any answer. Moreover, everyone was warned. And the fact that they didn’t believe it... That’s their problem.

            What if they start a non-nuclear war?
            1. 0
              18 September 2023 09: 51
              Quote from Escariot
              What if they start a non-nuclear war?

              1) A non-nuclear war is 100% a condition for a nuclear war; if we start losing, you don’t think they realize this.
              2) And if they start losing, at the moment they will simply try to give up on terms acceptable to them, because capitalism (almost any) will suit them in principle.

              shl
              If the so-called NATO tries to bite hard and run away, then this is such an unpredictable development of events that I don’t even know how crazy you need to be!
              1. +1
                18 September 2023 10: 29
                Quote: Dali
                Quote from Escariot
                What if they start a non-nuclear war?

                1) A non-nuclear war is 100% a condition for a nuclear war; if we start losing, you don’t think they realize this.
                2) And if they start losing, at the moment they will simply try to give up on terms acceptable to them, because capitalism (almost any) will suit them in principle.

                shl
                If the so-called NATO tries to bite hard and run away, then this is such an unpredictable development of events that I don’t even know how crazy you need to be!

                Naturally, NATO will not want to get involved in a direct military conflict, but they can easily reset our maritime traffic to zero. Moreover, they warned. How long will Russia hold out? Well, we won’t die of hunger, but the country will obviously get worse.
  8. +10
    17 September 2023 05: 16
    Useless. This is not our method. We strictly adhere to international law. We act in a legally verified manner. And we are deceived all the time. And we always get hit in the nose and other sensitive places.

    Unfortunately, whether this is correct or not will become known decades later. Best case scenario.
  9. +6
    17 September 2023 05: 38
    The same thoughts come to my mind. Yes, that's right: by nameless means. And it hurts more. Support all movements and countries that want and can harm our enemies.
    1. +5
      17 September 2023 09: 13
      The fact is that there are no enemies there. Partners, class-related elements. And a raven is a raven, as you know... Which, moreover, is held for Faberge. Children there, what other nuances. laughing
  10. 0
    17 September 2023 06: 05
    Fantastic!
    For this to become a reality, it is necessary to restructure the thinking of our leadership to stop looking to the West and think; what will they say about us in the West? Don't care about them. Let them think that I don't care.
  11. +17
    17 September 2023 06: 06
    What a fucking fantasy... The country should have been developed, not flying in the clouds... The USSR was establishing order thousands of kilometers from the border, there was power behind it
    1. +10
      17 September 2023 10: 19
      The article is "minus". The author’s imagination is weak and he does not take into account the President’s last speech, where he voices the development of weapons based on “other physical principles.” The author needs to think more broadly and in line with the trend voiced by the President. For example: the annihilation of Great Britain, the braking of the Earth and, as a result, the USA, Great Britain and the EU are washed away by a huge tidal wave, the disappearance of gravity and the atmosphere over the USA and other enemies, etc. I advise you to think in this regard, you can also involve co-authors, there are many of them here on VO “They are waving checkers” - we can handle it together.
  12. +9
    17 September 2023 06: 35
    Here we are discussing which targets are best to attack, where to get drones, and so on. But all this doesn’t make any sense until management has the will to make such a decision.
    1. +6
      17 September 2023 08: 06
      Quote: Mixweb
      But all this doesn’t make any sense until management has the will to make such a decision.

      This is what we are talking about ...
      Do you want them to begin with their own hands to destroy the entire system of exchanges, banks and other crap that they so desperately burst into 30 years ago, burning bridges behind them and erasing the memory of the new generation about a country that no longer existed in the world?
      1. -1
        17 September 2023 14: 20
        If you are a very smart and advanced (the leader of a country) you can make a lot of money out of this (the whole country), this is of course science fiction, not scientific, but quite applied. The main thing is titanium spinners and the team’s fight at the right moment.. But this is probably not about our leadership...
  13. +6
    17 September 2023 06: 37
    allows you to implement scenarios of striking them with virtually their own weapons
    The idea is good, but is it feasible today? Is there a possibility of such a strong-willed military-political decision being made? It’s almost a year (in nine days) since the Nord Streams were blown up, and we still have not responded to this international terrorist act. The Crimean Bridge and Sevastopol are being attacked by British unmanned boats and missiles, the Americans and Germans are ready to deploy their long-range missiles, trains with tanks and infantry fighting vehicles are calmly crossing the Ukrainian border and traveling to their destinations, peaceful areas of Donetsk are being shelled by American cluster munitions... And you about the attack by unmanned aerial vehicles boats on an English ship.
  14. +6
    17 September 2023 06: 54
    Now Western countries are living “relaxed”, the war is somewhere out there, far away, in Russia
    So in Russia, many citizens also live “relaxed”, that this is somewhere out there and my hut is on the edge.
    1. +3
      17 September 2023 07: 39
      Quote: bionik
      Now Western countries are living “relaxed”, the war is somewhere out there, far away, in Russia
      So in Russia, many citizens also live “relaxed”, that this is somewhere out there and my hut is on the edge.

      Naturally. The Northern Military District did not give up in vain to these citizens. These citizens lived normally, worked in Russian subsidiaries of Western corporations, drove European cars, vacationed in Europe, and now the events of February 24 have greatly changed their lives, and not for the better. And you want help from them? Keck.
      Well, in principle, I understand you: if you make these people suffer a little more (declare mobilization by forcing them to pay in blood or, for example, confiscate their cars for the needs of the army), then the residents of Donbass will most likely feel better, because this will help our army push back the line front from Donetsk, BUT (!) these “relaxed residents” themselves did not give up. They did not sign up for such arrangements. And their reaction will be appropriate.
  15. +4
    17 September 2023 07: 01
    The drone itself is not new. Back in 1849, Italy was attacked by an unmanned balloon. By studying history, you can approach this moment fully armed. But we have no time for history. They show films on TV where everything is not true from the first frame to the last. Here on This is how our youth are being raised. After all, sometimes you want to believe in lies. But this is broadcast by the state. channels. And in 30 years, much of what used to be the truth has become simply an incomprehensible blur. The war is going on in Ukraine. There is none in Russia. And in the rest of the world, the war is going on only where it has not stopped. We supplied weapons to Vietnam. But this was not considered a declaration of war on us. In the last century there was an unwritten rule - an attack on a foreign ship is considered an attack on the territory under the flag of which the ship is sailing. Much of this has already been lost. They think about foreign policy with too different heads. Whether much of the old, there would be no sea pirates, and all sorts of unmanned devices.
    1. AUL
      -2
      17 September 2023 08: 02
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      They show films on TV where everything is not true from the first frame to the last. This is what our youth are brought up on.

      This did not start today and not during perestroika, but much earlier. We were told about universal equality and justice, but at the same time there were special distribution centers, special hospitals, special services, telephone rights, immunity for party leaders and big traders, and other delights. And the youth - even then they were no more stupid than today. She saw it all perfectly. So cynicism and nihilism were brought up in her. So what do you want from today’s youth, when all this negativity has increased many times over and is not even disguised?
      1. -6
        17 September 2023 09: 21
        Quote from AUL
        We were told about universal equality and justice, but at the same time there were special distribution centers, special hospitals, special services,

        Would you like state leaders to go to the store with a string bag or stand in line at the clinic? And yes, they had relatives, friends, mistresses who also suffered from all this. Alas, this is how humans are designed and it is almost impossible to do anything about it.
        1. +7
          17 September 2023 11: 40
          Did state leaders go to the store with a string bag or stand in line at the clinic?
          Boris Johnson was in the same St Thomas' hospital as me. And food and drinks are delivered to Buckingham Palace for the King from the Fortnum&Mason store, where they will accept an order for delivery from a mere mortal with a bank card. On a universal basis.
          During her walk in Scotland, American tourists who were walking there even asked the Queen a question - it’s true that the Queen also walks here smile ?
          There are no special hospitals with special distributors or fenced beaches in Cornwall 6 here. And nothing.
        2. AUL
          +7
          17 September 2023 12: 09
          Quote: South Ukrainian
          Quote from AUL
          We were told about universal equality and justice, but at the same time there were special distribution centers, special hospitals, special services,

          Would you like state leaders to go to the store with a string bag or stand in line at the clinic?

          Imagine, I would like to! If they proclaimed the principle of equality for the people, then if you please, comply. People see how those in power live and compare them with what they are telling you. People are losing trust in state leaders. If a common man’s son is now rotting in a trench, and the son of a “high-set” man is playing sluts in Ibiza or Courchevel, what kind of support for the state by the people can we talk about?
          Stalin's sons fought. And Mikoyan. And Khrushchev. And other figures too. And we won that Great War. Because people believed in their state. And now?
      2. -2
        17 September 2023 09: 26
        There was a whiff of a draft of the substance from Ogonyok magazine. For information, I didn’t find any difference between a special clinic and a regular departmental clinic for a hard worker. All the same equipment and excellent attitude of the medical staff. The short period before the coup is no longer the USSR. He was deliberately discredited. Regarding immunity, look at how many punishments our Soviet court, the most humane court in the world, has issued to thieving traders and bureaucrats.
        And everything is correct about young people, they don’t want to go to war if they have something to eat a bun and butter for.
        1. AUL
          +6
          17 September 2023 12: 22
          Quote: Essex62
          For information, I didn’t find any difference between a special clinic and a regular departmental clinic for a hard worker. All the same equipment and excellent attitude of the medical staff.

          From this it follows that you have simply never been to a regular clinic. Not from the local therapist with his universal diagnosis of "ARD", not from the dentist, not from other "specialists". District committee instructor or lecturer? wink
          1. 0
            17 September 2023 15: 45
            Which lecturer? All my life my hands are in oil, my seat is in soap. And to a regular clinic, like everyone else.
            There was a period when I went to the departmental Mosavtolegtrans. Well, a little better than the regional one, yes. So it’s for drivers and mechanics, not for party bosses and bureaucrats. Of course, this is Moscow, where everything was better than in the country. You can’t argue with this, but there was no glaring difference in the lives of party bosses and bureaucrats and workers, what we see today.
            1. AUL
              0
              17 September 2023 17: 51
              Quote: Essex62
              There was a period when I went to the departmental Mosavtolegtrans. Well, a little better than the regional one, yes.

              Don't overdo it, dear! A special hospital and a departmental one are not the same thing at all! I was also once lying in the departmental office, on the University metro station. Better, of course, than a district hospital, but far from the Central Clinical Hospital! And it’s better not to remember about the factory slaughterhouse at all!
              1. 0
                19 September 2023 04: 30
                In terms of? As part of my work, I had to visit the clinic where the ministers went. Same equipment, richer finishing, yes. And I visited the house of the secretary of our district committee; his son studied in the same class with me. Appliances, wallpaper, Czech furniture, nothing special. I didn't see a golden toilet there. Today, any policeman in the ranks lives richer. And then, who wants such a burden of responsibility if there are no goodies? Developed socialism is not the time of commissars in dusty helmets.
  16. +3
    17 September 2023 07: 10
    Shakespeare and nephews. Crap! Wet dreams.
  17. -1
    17 September 2023 07: 39
    Now Western countries are living “relaxed”; the war is somewhere out there, far away, in Russia. Until the war comes home to them, the supply of weapons and support for the terrorist Kyiv regime will not stop.

    They must either stop or feel the war on their own skin.

    Yes good
    More than half of the users have been talking about this since the very beginning of the Northern Military District and especially after the explosions at the Northern Military District...
  18. +6
    17 September 2023 07: 44
    Yes, this will not happen, we have huge capital sitting with the Britons, they have strong ties with ours, everything is connected, what are you talking about, what kind of attacks?! If the day before the start of the SVO, several private planes of rich people rushed out of Ukraine at once, it means we have a lot of moles and the business is tied up, and in London how many of our rich people are sitting and how many of their sixes are here! Capital rules this war, you can scratch your tongue a lot, but a tight wallet decides everything!
  19. +7
    17 September 2023 07: 51
    What nonsense, delirium? Or so, an autumn aggravation?
  20. -4
    17 September 2023 07: 59
    Author 500 plus! All methods are good for victory, but avenging Russian blood is sacred. But Putin’s government doesn’t need this. Our special services, under Putin, have not yet destroyed a single traitor. And the murder of Dugina shows that they are in no hurry to eliminate individual terrorists, much less terrorist regimes and the sponsors of these terrorists. Under Putin this is simply impossible!!!
    1. +2
      18 September 2023 03: 25
      Author 500 plus! All methods are good for victory, but avenging Russian blood is sacred. But Putin’s government doesn’t need this. Our special services, under Putin, have not yet destroyed a single traitor of ours.

      Well, look, the Kremlin is a b...ura of “bots”, he created a school, although it fights exclusively on sites like VO and RIA Novosti. On foreign websites, these activists try not to appear, so as not to offend our dear “partners”. As for the destruction, well, the same Prigozhin did not leave for long after the complaints to the Guarantor...
      And the fact that the North Military District is proceeding, everything is going according to plan, the interests of our dear “partners” are the most important thing hi
  21. +8
    17 September 2023 08: 01
    The article was written under the influence of the film and book "The Secret of Two Oceans", "boat 17!" , as well as based on the film "Dog in Boots" "Revenge! Death! And the Underworld!" (c) smile
    1. +6
      17 September 2023 10: 04
      The article was written under the impression

      And under the influence.

      1. +6
        17 September 2023 10: 23
        And under the influence.
        Plus, autumn aggravation, in a cocktail? smile
  22. -4
    17 September 2023 08: 01
    Quote: Alex 1970
    What nonsense, delirium? Or so, an autumn aggravation?

    Someone's wet dreams. So far, only in Russia is a drone falling every day, although Russia has every opportunity to respond to those who start it. The country has been in decline for 100 years with a short rise after the victory in the Second World War.
    Soon legless and armless people will be recruited to serve in the army. The country's housing and communal services have been destroyed, healthcare has been destroyed, corruption is one of the highest in the world.
  23. -2
    17 September 2023 08: 01
    Quote from Escariot
    Do you want the conflict to escalate?

    What is the detonation of SP1, 2?
    Escalation or conflict?
    And missile guidance at Sevastopol from NATO AWACS and UAV aircraft. what's this?
    What is the use of Starlink for shelling our army?
    But what about supplies of NATO weapons and ammunition and their killing of our citizens?
    Escalation or conflict?
    Take off your rose-colored glasses, wipe your eyes...NATO has been at war with us for a long time.
    Only for some reason you think that we should not respond to the enemy. belay
    Soon they will begin to hit Moscow and St. Petersburg with long-range missiles with the confidence that people like you will not do anything in response... things are moving towards this.
    1. +10
      17 September 2023 09: 14
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Quote from Escariot
      Do you want the conflict to escalate?

      What is the detonation of SP1, 2?
      Escalation or conflict?
      And missile guidance at Sevastopol from NATO AWACS and UAV aircraft. what's this?
      What is the use of Starlink for shelling our army?
      But what about supplies of NATO weapons and ammunition and their killing of our citizens?
      Escalation or conflict?
      Take off your rose-colored glasses, wipe your eyes...NATO has been at war with us for a long time.
      Only for some reason you think that we should not respond to the enemy. belay
      Soon they will begin to hit Moscow and St. Petersburg with long-range missiles with the confidence that people like you will not do anything in response... things are moving towards this.

      How you want St. Petersburg to actually start shelling...
      The fact is that all the major world powers, in order to avoid a total Nuclear War, have long agreed among themselves what exactly is considered aggression followed by War. These principles are set out in UN General Assembly Resolution 3314 of 1974. And once again, these are not the principles of the stillborn UN, but the principles of countries that agreed with these principles: the USSR, the West, China. These principles are what everyone is dancing about now. The transfer of intelligence information is not aggression, the supply of weapons is not aggression, the training of the military is not aggression. This was the case in Vietnam, this was the case in Afghanistan, this was the case in the Middle East. However, now some concerned citizens want to say that this is all nonsense, it is necessary to throw away the old shackles of agreements and hit... Poland, Great Britain, the USA... Moreover, some of these concerned citizens sit in the Security Council of the Russian Federation. It's kind of surreal. If we get involved in a direct war with NATO, then at best we will lose it, and at worst, 2/3 of the country’s population will “go to Paradise.” Grandfathers came up with a working system where there is a clear boundary between aggression and non-aggression, which separates the majority of the population of the server hemisphere from death in the flames of nuclear weapons, and you propose to break it? The USSR did not hesitate to supply weapons to Vietnam, Egypt, Africa, South and Latin America. The West did the same in Afghanistan, Africa and Southeast Asia. Our missiles shot down Americans, our tanks wrapped Americans around their tracks, our special forces killed Americans. And no aggression.
      The only way to stop Western aid to Ukraine is to show that the aid is useless. For example, smash the Ukrainian Armed Forces in a ground battle to smithereens or destroy their equipment much faster and cheaper than they supply it. If this does not work out, then you only have yourself to blame.
      And lastly, we are not currently at war, not only with NATO, but even with Ukraine.
      1. -1
        17 September 2023 09: 47
        of the year. And once again, these are not the principles of the stillborn UN, but the principles of countries that agreed with these principles: the USSR, the West, China

        Just don't la la.
        Powell waved a test tube of white powder at the UN and on this basis the United States invaded Iraq, dooming its people to numerous troubles and suffering.
        Based on false evidence in the bombing of two high-rise buildings, the United States invaded Afghanistan.
        Based on false evidence, the US bombed Libya, which still cannot escape from this.
        So your UN and its principles can be shoved into one place in your pants.
        Yes, we are not waging a war with NATO and Ukraine... but NATO and Ukraine are waging a war with us...
        Feel the difference.
        1. +11
          17 September 2023 10: 19
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          of the year. And once again, these are not the principles of the stillborn UN, but the principles of countries that agreed with these principles: the USSR, the West, China

          Just don't la la.
          Powell waved a test tube of white powder at the UN and on this basis the United States invaded Iraq, dooming its people to numerous troubles and suffering.
          Based on false evidence in the bombing of two high-rise buildings, the United States invaded Afghanistan.
          Based on false evidence, the US bombed Libya, which still cannot escape from this.
          So your UN and its principles can be shoved into one place in your pants.
          Yes, we are not waging a war with NATO and Ukraine... but NATO and Ukraine are waging a war with us...
          Feel the difference.

          Don't confuse warm with soft. Colin Powell actually waved a test tube and, on the basis of this, the United States began an aggressive war with Iraq. And Iraq responded with everything it could, but unsuccessfully, because Iraq was then a complete sucker without allies, the same with Libya. And the reason why the United States could start these wars is that neither Iraq nor Libya could answer them. Based on these facts, do you propose to cross the “line of aggression” towards NATO in general and the United States in particular? Sorry what? Now we are not even able to defeat the relative weaklings from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and you are calling for a clash with NATO? At best, this will be a loss in the war, and at worst, “to Paradise.”
          And NATO is not waging war on us, 4 million soldiers are sitting in barracks, 10000 aircraft are at their base airfields, and 15 AUGs are in their ports.
  24. +12
    17 September 2023 08: 06
    The Kremlin doesn’t even have enough balls to hit bridges, not to mention the leadership of Ukraine, and here you are about to sink NATO ships, this is from the world of fantasy, almost all of the president’s friends have English or Israeli citizenship, and live out their lives on the billions withdrawn from Russia in London . There will be no harsh reaction against the West under this government; has the North Military District really not understood this in a year and a half?
    1. +1
      17 September 2023 16: 04
      Quote: Shamil88
      The Kremlin doesn’t even have enough balls to hit bridges, not to mention the leadership of Ukraine, and here you are about to sink NATO ships, this is from the world of fantasy, almost all of the president’s friends have English or Israeli citizenship, and live out their lives on the billions withdrawn from Russia in London . There will be no harsh reaction against the West under this government; has the North Military District really not understood this in a year and a half?

      The Kremlin leadership had enough balls to hit the bridge in Zatoka. They hit it 5 times with Calibers and attacked it again with a kamikaze boat, but the bridge is still standing. They decided to repeat it with bridges across the Dnieper
      1. 0
        18 September 2023 03: 28
        The Kremlin leadership had enough balls to hit the bridge in Zatoka. They hit it with Calibers 5 times and attacked it again with a kamikaze boat, but the bridge is still standing

        Evil tongues say that the bridge was very surprised when it learned that all this turned out to be flying to it...
        1. 0
          18 September 2023 10: 33
          Quote: spektr9
          The Kremlin leadership had enough balls to hit the bridge in Zatoka. They hit it with Calibers 5 times and attacked it again with a kamikaze boat, but the bridge is still standing

          Evil tongues say that the bridge was very surprised when it learned that all this turned out to be flying to it...

          And who is responsible for evil tongues?
  25. 0
    17 September 2023 08: 31
    The enemy's skin should be "full of holes" - I absolutely agree. Stop limiting yourself... On the other side this is perceived as weakness!
  26. +3
    17 September 2023 08: 33
    To implement what the author proposes, we need to change someone.
  27. 0
    17 September 2023 09: 01
    Woke up in the middle of the night. Everything hurts, nothing helps. I wrote an Opinion on VO and sent it.
    I went to the restroom. Everything that pressed on the brain through the stomach was released. I had breakfast. I remembered that I started writing an Opinion on VO...
    And there are already a lot of comments.

    If it happened as described above, well, it happens. Fight for health, not against health.
    If this is a conscious, unemotional text, then I don’t know what kind of hornet bit the author.
  28. +3
    17 September 2023 09: 01
    Anything is possible, but the political will of the Kremlin is needed. But the current leadership of Russia does not have it and does not foresee it.
    Moreover, as an example, DimAnatolich stomps his feet in public, wags his finger, spews thunder and lightning with his tongue, but in reality at the Security Council THREE TIMES he blocked the issue of expelling the ambassador and closing the British Embassy in Moscow.
  29. +5
    17 September 2023 09: 03
    I wouldn’t want to offend anyone, but in Ukraine there is a saying: “Those who are rich in thoughts are fools.” Same thing in this article.
  30. -9
    17 September 2023 09: 32
    England can be completely blocked, all the cargo ships can be thrown into the sea and they will die without food. The British would at least think about why they are interfering with Russia, if a war breaks out, then Russia will strike the entire energy sector, they will knock out drones in the ocean
    By the way, America, too, may not be allowed into the sea at all. Having sunk their fleet, they will be nobody and nothing, maybe they will become the same African country as they were with slaves before. Columbus discovered America. I propose to call it Operation Columbus to close the passage to the ocean. Planes are also all shot down by air defense. The time of unmanned warfare is coming. So America will strangle itself in this war. What they will eat there in their Texas deserts is the question. In the event of an unmanned war, England will be doomed to starvation. Including countries like Finland. If there are drones in the sea, then they won’t have anything to eat; they won’t get any fish.
    The war can quickly reach America, for example, North Korea can take revenge on the United States for everything they have done. Kim can do this, give him missiles
    1. +5
      17 September 2023 10: 07
      Quote from Alexwar
      England can be completely blocked, all the cargo ships can be thrown into the sea and they will die without food. The British would at least think about why they are interfering with Russia, if a war breaks out, then Russia will strike the entire energy sector, they will knock out drones in the ocean
      By the way, America, too, may not be allowed into the sea at all. Having sunk their fleet, they will be nobody and nothing, maybe they will become the same African country as they were with slaves before. Columbus discovered America. I propose to call it Operation Columbus to close the passage to the ocean. Planes are also all shot down by air defense. The time of unmanned warfare is coming. So America will strangle itself in this war. What they will eat there in their Texas deserts is the question. In the event of an unmanned war, England will be doomed to starvation. Including countries like Finland. If there are drones in the sea, then they won’t have anything to eat; they won’t get any fish.
      The war can quickly reach America, for example, North Korea can take revenge on the United States for everything they have done. Kim can do this, give him missiles

      The British withstood the blockade from the Kaiser's fleet and Germany was forced to agree to a humiliating peace, the British withstood the blockade from the Nazi fleet and Germany ceased to exist as an independent state... Are you sure you want to repeat it?
      1. +2
        17 September 2023 10: 30
        The British also withstood Napoleon’s economic blockade..
      2. -5
        17 September 2023 17: 59
        Which Germany do you live in or which one are you writing about, repeat? U
        Although I do not agree with the author of the comment to which you responded. But. Excuse me, do the Britons have 100500 aircraft carriers and battleships or an army of 10 million? Here the question is on a different plane. If someone wants, Britain will huddle in a booth even without the use of nuclear weapons.
        1. +1
          17 September 2023 21: 54
          Quote: pin_code
          Which Germany do you live in or which one are you writing about, repeat? U
          Although I do not agree with the author of the comment to which you responded. But. Excuse me, do the Britons have 100500 aircraft carriers and battleships or an army of 10 million? Here the question is on a different plane. If someone wants, Britain will huddle in a booth even without the use of nuclear weapons.

          No, the Britons have 2 aircraft carriers, 6 destroyers, 13 frigates and a dozen submarines. How many ships does Russia have there? Moreover, they are spread out over 4.5 fleets, and the Black Sea Fleet is unlikely to pass through the Straits in the near future.
          In a conventional confrontation in the North Atlantic, he has more chances against the Northern Fleet and Baltic Fleet.
    2. +5
      17 September 2023 11: 45
      they will die without food.
      More than 2/3 of the food here is produced here. It is also exported in small quantities.
      like Finland. If there are drones in the sea, they won’t even get fish to eat.
      You can catch fish in the lakes wassat They will eat those products that Russians stopped exporting on shopping tours. tongue They also provide themselves with food mainly themselves.
      Operation Columbus to close the passage to the ocean.
      The difference in the tonnage of the US and Russian fleets is not in favor of the Russian Federation, to put it mildly Yes
  31. -1
    17 September 2023 09: 41
    And who will do this???????????????????????????????????????????
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  33. -9
    17 September 2023 09: 45
    Putin is smart, he understands that Russia
    is at a disadvantage compared to the West. Russia will not commit suicide. That is why we must absorb and remain silent. Revenge can always come. Through wisdom, cunning and intrigue. Two things are important.
    Victory in Ukraine. Control of four provinces. And promotion of a multipolar world. Strengthening America's competitors. Promotion of an alternative currency. This will weaken the United States and its successor Western countries.
    Russia and China are a serious force
    Together with other countries they will continue
    the world towards another block.
    This is the biggest revenge of the USA and the West for the creation of an alternative bloc.
    The greatest damage to America has been caused by me.
    Introducing a shiny new currency that will
    An alternative to the US dollar. This will affect all areas of America’s grandson. Only there will be victory. And not in a war of mutual destruction.
  34. -6
    17 September 2023 09: 55
    Now Western countries are living “relaxed”; the war is somewhere out there, far away, in Russia. Until the war comes to their home, the supply of weapons and support for the terrorist Kyiv regime will not stop


    By the way, here I completely agree with the author! Why are military operations strictly limited to the territory of Ukraine and the European part of Russia? It's time to move them closer to the English Channel, Portsmouth and Brussels! Well-fed and satisfied Europeans should return to the real world!
  35. 0
    17 September 2023 10: 01
    La ira de Rusia es justa, la venganza es suya.
  36. 0
    17 September 2023 10: 03
    Very similar to the hypothesis about the explosion of our northern currents by a company of Ukrainians vacationing on a yacht in the Baltic. The fact of the matter is that their eyes and ears are everywhere, but ours are nowhere. Since there is no effective reconnaissance and sabotage infrastructure
  37. +2
    17 September 2023 10: 13
    An offer to print a boat on a 3D printer must be submitted for inspection.
    1. -1
      18 September 2023 23: 38
      Quote: Foma Kinyaev
      An offer to print a boat on a 3D printer must be submitted for inspection.

      They print at home - and nothing seems to happen wink laughing
  38. 0
    17 September 2023 10: 15
    The only thing I agree with the author on is that most NATO countries are not of critical value to the United States. And the Americans are unlikely to activate Article 5 of the NATO Charter in the event of a conflict between Russia and the majority of its allies. Therefore, we must act openly: if you supply weapons, you will receive them. Warn in advance, if they do not understand, a strike on the emerging warehouses of equipment being brought to the border with Ukraine on the territory of these countries. You can start with Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria. Of course, they shouldn’t declare war. Well, how Israel acts against Iran in Lebanon and Syria. The next stage is Poland, but for now we’ll have to wait with England, although yes, she is the main skirmisher. But they act with the hands of others, and these are the hands they need to cut off first
    1. +2
      17 September 2023 16: 32
      Quote: Berezin
      The only thing I agree with the author on is that most NATO countries are not of critical value to the United States. And the Americans are unlikely to activate Article 5 of the NATO Charter in the event of a conflict between Russia and the majority of its allies. Therefore, we must act openly: if you supply weapons, you will receive them. Warn in advance, if they do not understand, a strike on the emerging warehouses of equipment being brought to the border with Ukraine on the territory of these countries. You can start with Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria. Of course, they shouldn’t declare war. Well, how Israel acts against Iran in Lebanon and Syria. The next stage is Poland, but for now we’ll have to wait with England, although yes, she is the main skirmisher. But they act with the hands of others, and these are the hands they need to cut off first

      Aren’t you afraid that these Romania and Bulgaria will also start acting? Even alone without NATO. The combined Romanian-Bulgarian fleet is ahead of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in terms of the number of pennants. The Black Sea Fleet already has problems to chew on, and you still want to add half a dozen Frigates and a dozen Corvettes?
      The Poles have a couple of combined arms armies. Do we now have two extra combined arms armies to fight the Poles?
      I’d better not say anything about Great Britain at all.
      1. -1
        18 September 2023 09: 24
        Dear Escariot! It was not for nothing that I proposed just such a list. Because I believe that these countries themselves will not respond to this limited (precisely limited, only in the stockpiles of supplied weapons) “aggression” of ours, and because of them the American boss will not include Article 5 of NATO. But for Britain, I’m not sure anymore, that’s why I don’t suggest it. I’m not talking about Poland yet either. I don’t think America will fit in with them either, but these scumbags might start a war with us in response. But the Romanians, Bulgarians, and Slovaks will most likely back down and refuse to provide corridors for the supply of weapons through their territory. Moreover, there is an example - Hungary, which initially refused to do this. If this plan works, then only Poland remains among the border countries. But this will be a very good example for the Poles. But if they also stand in “neutral,” then how will the rest of the real guys from NATO import weapons into Ukraine? And even if we wait a while with Poland, we will at least cut off the Black Sea. I agree, there are a lot of BUTs in my plan. But there are also chances for success, and the risks are not as great compared to the sinking of British destroyers. For the latter, we still have short hands (sabotage)
        1. +1
          18 September 2023 12: 15
          Quote: Berezin
          Dear Escariot! It was not for nothing that I proposed just such a list. Because I believe that these countries themselves will not respond to this limited (precisely limited, only in the stockpiles of supplied weapons) “aggression” of ours, and because of them the American boss will not include Article 5 of NATO. But for Britain, I’m not sure anymore, that’s why I don’t suggest it. I’m not talking about Poland yet either. I don’t think America will fit in with them either, but these scumbags might start a war with us in response. But the Romanians, Bulgarians, and Slovaks will most likely back down and refuse to provide corridors for the supply of weapons through their territory. Moreover, there is an example - Hungary, which initially refused to do this. If this plan works, then only Poland remains among the border countries. But this will be a very good example for the Poles. But if they also stand in “neutral,” then how will the rest of the real guys from NATO import weapons into Ukraine? And even if we wait a while with Poland, we will at least cut off the Black Sea. I agree, there are a lot of BUTs in my plan. But there are also chances for success, and the risks are not as great compared to the sinking of British destroyers. For the latter, we still have short hands (sabotage)

          Before February 24 last year, I might have agreed with you, but now the conventional weapons of the Russian Federation are unlikely to scare anyone. Most of the army is occupied by the VSO, and the Black Sea Fleet is trying to keep a low profile from its bases. In such a situation, they are unlikely to piss and begin to actively (with troops) help the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as crap on the open sea, because Russia has nothing special to oppose them with. In military terms, skimpy strikes with Calibers are more effective than effective, and Geraniums only frighten civilians. Well, the rest of the West will throw money and equipment for this, even without entering into an open conflict.
    2. 0
      21 September 2023 11: 42
      BUT Iran retaliated every time Iranian national being assassinated but the problem is the zionist domination and media do not cover it when they get humaliated by Iran for example I'm sure you didn't even know that Iran retaliated assassination of Fakhri Zade who was retired rocket and nuclear scientist by literally burning alive the counter part of Fakhri Zade in Israel.

      for Israel sabotage in Natanz nuclear facility Iran fired a warning shot at Demona from Inside Iran to prove to Israel their missile defense isn't able to stop Iranian missile since they aren't dumb rocket usually being intercepted not maneuverable warheads

      and for one Iranian IRGC being killed in Syria Iran wiped out the entire Mossad center with 15 missiles near American embassy in Kurdistan Iraq. other time that Israel says attacked Iranian interest, they are lying to justifying their attacks on sovereign country or killing poor Syrian so called Iranian backed militia.but they do not dare to attack and kill Iranian national with fighter because they want possible deniability and Iranian that killed in syria was killed with IED that Iran held Israel responsible and retaliated with heavy hand

      Israel do not dare even killing Hezbollah and last time they did they sent massage to Hezbollah that they didn't know Hezbollah operatives was there they only act against powerful enemy only with operations that provide passable deniability.
      nut I'm shocked that Russian people believed Zionist propaganda same propaganda that want us to believe Iran is same Aryans that didn't let go of mission of killing all the jews and for their dominance on media almost no one know that freedom of religion is Persian principle for near 3000 years and they couldn't even with $60,000 offer to convince Iranian jews to leave Iran
  39. -3
    17 September 2023 10: 16
    Destroyers Dering are the pride and symbol of the British Navy! Good goal!
  40. 0
    17 September 2023 10: 23
    Such blows should have been carried out the day before yesterday, after the attacks on Sevastopol. From the UN rostrum it was possible to state that the launch sites could not be traced, but the “made in Great Britain” nameplates were present at the impact site
  41. +2
    17 September 2023 10: 26
    Very close to the place where the Nord Streams were blown up, they are crossed by a pipe through which Norwegian gas is pumped to Poland. And mind you, they are still downloading. It seems that the combat swimmers of the special forces of the Soviet/Russian navy remained only in Bushkov’s “Piranha” series, and he seemed to have finished even that.
  42. +6
    17 September 2023 10: 31
    The proposal, to put it mildly... I don’t even know how to put it politely.
    It makes sense to start military operations only when you can count on victory. If there is no hope for this, then military operations have no meaning.
    Can we achieve anything with maritime terrorism, which the author proposes? Can. Nuclear war if NATO escalates. What if it doesn't work?
    The fact that the “white terror” will be answered with “red terror”.
    The only problem is that NATO has orders of magnitude more opportunities to play terrorism than we do. Let's say Daring's attack took place. How will we respond if, a week after this, ships with Russian crews begin to disappear in the ocean? And loads. From, so to speak, inevitable accidents at sea. A couple of planes carrying our tourists may also mysteriously disappear. Or...
    Terrorism at the state level is a Pandora's box that can be opened, but the consequences will be such that everyone will begin to cry, and first of all, non-combatants.
    1. -1
      17 September 2023 16: 27
      Somehow in 1955, the battleship Novorossiysk was blown up in Sevastopol). There were many versions - but the Italian saboteurs - retired... received awards... I wonder why). And you are even afraid to think - how can this be? And like this) - learn how to do such things... everything will be attributed to an old mine... or to freedom fighters... oh yes... to international terrorists - I don’t know which ones. Do you understand me?
      1. +3
        17 September 2023 16: 43
        And how did this help Italy, for example? What if they did, let’s say they achieved?
        1. +3
          17 September 2023 19: 06
          So this is the main argument against the version of the sabotage of Borghese combat swimmers.
          The risk of getting caught or being left behind is very, very high, and yet the most successful result will bring nothing but some reassurance to the wounded pride.
      2. +2
        17 September 2023 19: 03
        There were many versions - but the Italian saboteurs - retired... received awards... I wonder why).


        They did not receive any reward.
        The head of the Italian combat swimmers, Prince Borghese, was in prison until 1949, and
        later fled to Spain (where he died), fearing accusations of an attempted coup.

        https://rg.ru/2018/03/21/reg-ufo/stala-izvestna-prichina-gibeli-linkora-novorossijsk-v-1955-godu.html
        The cause of the death of the battleship Novorossiysk in 1955 has become known

        According to the latest data, announced by the editor-in-chief of the "Bulletin of the Archive of the President of Russia" Sergei Kudryashov, the cause of death was an old German mine. And the Italian saboteurs, whom experts have blamed for many decades, have nothing to do with the death of the Soviet battleship.
        1. -1
          18 September 2023 07: 05
          The official version is also very controversial. But you see what’s the matter - the USSR could not answer this. Because answering is tantamount to starting a war with NATO. But this could not be forgiven. They received it later on May 2, 1964 in Saigon. So we had no choice but to blame everything on the Viet Cong).
      3. +3
        17 September 2023 23: 52
        Quote: Alexander Shumeiko
        There were many versions - but the Italian saboteurs - retired... received awards... I wonder why).

        Forgot to add - according to the OBS agency. The version of the explosion is generally based not on the award, but on the statement of Esposito, one of the combat swimmers, that it was them. He made this statement in retirement, yes.
        Quote: Alexander Shumeiko
        And you are even afraid to think - how can this be? And like this) - learn how to do such things..

        Alexander, before you give out advice, you should study this science - it’s called “logic”.
        What does the article suggest? Undermining the British Esm, in which everyone will understand that the Russians did it, but will not be able to prove anything. And they will be afraid that there will be a continuation.
        That is, the whole point is not to knock down the ship, but to intimidate.
        In the case of Novorossiysk, it was just the opposite - no one understood what happened. They believed that there was a bottom mine from war times (by the way, they thought correctly). And the saboteurs, assuming their presence, did everything in such a way that not even a shadow of suspicion fell on Italy. That is, for them the goal was precisely the ship, and in no case to attract attention.
        If you try to do the same, then the action itself completely loses its meaning. If people don't think the Russians did it, then they naturally won't be afraid of the Russians. And then the attack is pointless.
        Quote: Alexander Shumeiko
        Do you understand me?

        Unfortunately yes
        1. -1
          18 September 2023 09: 38
          It is your right to accept any version as plausible. I recognize as plausible sabotage - committed by one of the NATO countries. The Italians or the British - or jointly - were involved. The sabotage could well have been committed by them. And of course they were silent for some time. And the USSR pretended that yes, it was an old German mine... Isn’t it necessary to draw analogies? Russia has the right to respond... we know who is to blame. So let them get it in the same coin - and they won’t be able to show anything. Because they don’t want to get nuclear in a nickel). They will come up with an “official version” - they are also masters at this.
          1. +1
            18 September 2023 20: 24
            Quote: Alexander Shumeiko
            The sabotage could well have been committed by them. And of course they were silent for some time. And the USSR pretended that yes, it was an old German mine... Isn’t it necessary to draw analogies?

            Just right. And when you do it, then you will understand the falsity of your analogy.
            The first mistake is historical. The USSR did not pretend, it really did not know what it was. Maybe an old mine, but sabotage is not ruled out. Accordingly, there is no reason to believe that the enemies did this, much less take revenge on them. And what the USSR did not know is known for certain, since secrecy has been removed from reports on the disaster.
            The second error automatically follows from the first mistake. You still do not understand the message of the article. Do not damage the enemy esm, no. And to show the British that they will be strictly exacted, and that we have such opportunities. But at the same time, formally, he will remain out of business. So, sabotage, as a result of which the enemy did not understand that we committed it (or doubts), does not fulfill this task in any way.
            The third mistake, and this is a logical one, cannot be excused.
            Quote: Alexander Shumeiko
            But you see what’s the matter - the USSR could not answer this. Because answering is tantamount to starting a war with NATO. But this could not be forgiven. They received it later on May 2, 1964 in Saigon. So we had no choice but to blame everything on the Viet Cong).

            I won’t explain to you that everything you wrote is pure conspiracy theory. I will not explain to you that the Novorossiysk at the time of its death was the strongest artillery ship of the USSR, and the Card was at that time a run-of-the-mill air transport that no longer qualified as a combat unit at all. I will not remind you that 1 (ONE) person died on the Karda, and 617 people died on the Novorossiysk. I won’t, and that’s all here :)))))
            I’ll just say that if you believe that Saigon was a response to Novorossiysk, then you should have put “2+2” together and understood that, according to your version, the USSR responded to terror with terror.
            And then you should ask yourself the question - what will happen if the USA and NATO respond to our terror with their own terror? I have already given you the answer to it
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            The only problem is that NATO has orders of magnitude more opportunities to play terrorism than we do. Let's say Daring's attack took place. How will we respond if, a week after this, ships with Russian crews begin to disappear in the ocean? And loads. From, so to speak, inevitable accidents at sea. A couple of planes carrying our tourists may also mysteriously disappear. Or...
            Terrorism at the state level is a Pandora's box that can be opened, but the consequences will be such that everyone will begin to cry, and first of all, non-combatants.

            And we will remain silent. Because
            Quote: Alexander Shumeiko
            So let them get it in the same coin - and they won’t be able to show anything. Because they don’t want to get nuclear in a nickel).

            Only not them, but us.
    2. 0
      18 September 2023 23: 52
      The intelligence services have this interesting method - using it blindly. A native of New Guinea met an Irishman in Bolivia, whose uncle had previously belonged to the IRA. And a year later, during the visit of the destroyer to Uruguay, the irreparable happened... How do you like this development of events?
  43. +3
    17 September 2023 10: 41
    The question is touching: “Do you want to escalate the conflict?”
    You might think that this won't happen?
    Well, this cannot be called the explosions of the NORTHERN STREAM and the attacks of the Crimean Bridge...
    1. +2
      17 September 2023 17: 54
      Quote: RoninO
      The question is touching: “Do you want to escalate the conflict?”
      You might think that this won't happen?
      Well, this cannot be called the explosions of the NORTHERN STREAM and the attacks of the Crimean Bridge...

      Naturally not. Both sides are shelling each other’s infrastructure. Where is the escalation here?
  44. 0
    17 September 2023 10: 51
    One explanation for non-responses is loss of independence (sovereignty).
  45. -4
    17 September 2023 10: 58
    I would add, sink one British ship in this way, and film a video of a group of bearded men in masks with Kalashnikovs against the background of the banner “for a world without weapons.” Where do they take on this terrorist attack and are affiliated with the state of Ukraine
  46. +10
    17 September 2023 11: 06
    How necessary or these speeches about the war with NATO countries.
    When the Soviet Union supplied weapons to Vietnam, it did not participate in the war with America. And even when Soviet pilots fought in Korea and then the Soviet Union did not fight with America.
    Therefore, no, the supply of weapons does not equal participation in the war.
    Regarding fantasies about attacks by some boats on British ships, this is all nonsense, excuse me.
    First, let's block the gas pipeline that goes through Ukraine. Or, returning in February 22, we will not regroup, but will mobilize and put pressure on the enemy. Or we will immediately respond to sanctions by blocking the northern flows without waiting for them to be blown up.
    Therefore, fairy tales aside, the war in Ukraine will last as long as the capitalists of power want, a war that feeds them with a rate of profit unavailable in peacetime
  47. +1
    17 September 2023 11: 26
    All the above facts are fiction. The enemy will move on to retaliatory “secret wars”, and given the state of our fleet and border service, the Russian Federation will suffer a very noticeable blow. But to act “with the hands of other countries hostile to NATO, as NATO is doing in Ukraine, here you go” and response measures."
    1. -2
      17 September 2023 11: 44
      Blow up the communication cables - and the enemy will already feel it so much that it’s “no good.”
  48. +1
    17 September 2023 11: 35
    I agree with the author, but the lower classes can’t, and the upper classes don’t want to, they bought too much outside the cordon, and there is still a lot left to destroy and many people to imprison and take hostage, and now the relatives will carry out the enemy’s will, as they have done and are doing throughout for many years, if they don’t do it, then they will be sent out naked like Dima’s son or imprisoned like Buta...
  49. -1
    17 September 2023 11: 50
    And also charter a “rusty trough” with a murky crew through third parties - build the “Sunny Peak” in the hold - arrive on the Potomac River and arrange fireworks for Uncle Joe on the 4th of July) early in the morning).... Yeah, right according to the database)... "Good morning Uncle Joe")...Technically not difficult - even covering your tracks is not difficult... Allah Akbar like) Greetings from the Taliban or ISIS)....
    1. -1
      21 September 2023 09: 47
      Have you stopped drinking cognac in the morning?
      They wrote some nonsense
  50. +3
    17 September 2023 11: 54
    It is worth starting an undeclared war on everyone who is not on friendly terms with their heads.
    1. -1
      17 September 2023 16: 35
      Have you not noticed - such a war has been going on for a long time, it never ended... it was quieter... it was hotter... And high-ranking people are ready to swallow a lot. and “swallow” and pretend that this is how it happened). Official versions) - will allow you to save face). If the alternative is to get a full-fledged exchange of nuclear strikes) ...Do you play poker? The British - have you studied them? Are you afraid to put horseradish all over your face? By the way, the Zulus raped them back then under Queen Victoria) with spears against guns. Or maybe you studied at Oxford?
    2. -1
      17 September 2023 16: 38
      But you see that fucking little England will bend from a couple of Kuzka’s splashes. Yes, they can hurt us very much. But we can destroy them every single one). And why are they not afraid of us?
    3. +1
      17 September 2023 16: 51
      That is why they are not afraid - because you and people like you are afraid. Over and over again, not responding blow to blow. They said something about asymmetrical responses? Where is it all? Where -..." we'll soak them in the toilet." Dudayev, Basayev, Maskhadov... why are these better? Zelensky, Kuleba, Budanov... If there is already enough evidence!!! They want it according to the law, so you can’t judge these guys anymore? Every day they kill and sleep peacefully. WRONG. You can kill 1000 simple dill at the front every day. But Zelensky must live - and his life. Well, yes, they also have owners - but... They left Kabul at night - just like they once fled from Saigon... And a wonderful American tradition) Do you know what? No one still knows who killed Kennedy.
  51. 0
    17 September 2023 11: 55
    Submarine cables will not work out very well, there is a complex history and a high risk of being exposed. But mines and unmanned vehicles are promising. Both can be made from components from different countries, I agree with the author. Well, the target should first and foremost be the warships of the Anglo-Saxons. But all this is not so simple. It’s easy for the 404th in this regard - he launched the boat straight from the shore and floated along the NATO target designator...
  52. 0
    17 September 2023 12: 01
    A clear provocation, without regard to the consequences
    There have already been many similar notes. Even Medvedev threatens to destroy nuclear weapons.
    But in reality, Russia does not need unnecessary conflict.

    Here the Ukrainian lands would be “returned” (and according to the media, they didn’t even have an army until 14)
    And now all sorts of junk (according to the media and experts with impunity) is given to them for disposal. And a number of countries are neutral towards Russia.

    And after provocation, everything will change for the worse. Instead of the usual sluggish conflict, somewhere out there, far away...., a new conflict will appear nearby.
    And with the level of “sports nutrition sellers” it is unlikely to be possible to hide the source.
    Moreover, there were precedents with the NATO Navy. In Asia and the Persian Gulf. Yes, ship collisions are regular..

    So it’s unlikely that everything will be “relaxed” and go “perfectly”
  53. +2
    17 September 2023 12: 25
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    They must either stop or feel the war on their own skin.

    To do this, as a seed, it would be necessary to damage a couple of transcontinental communication cables from the USA to Europe; there are interesting objects in the English Channel to probe their nerves; mines of unknown origin can be dropped off the coast of Britain.

    And they will silently watch as you throw mines at them? How simple it is for you! They actually have a fleet, and a strong one. And they are not the only ones in that region.
  54. +2
    17 September 2023 13: 04
    Under Putin..?. Don’t tell me... He supplies the killers of our people with gas, oil and even military uranium... And in return waste... The bourgeois will not gouge out the bourgeois eye... This has always been the case in history, except during existence USSR. They didn’t hate him for this... It’s nice to kill others with impunity for the interests of the bourgeoisie.... after all, it’s dripping for you too... Read Engels and start using your brains...
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  56. +1
    17 September 2023 13: 24
    Quote: Igorash
    Read Engels

    Welcome, comrade! Besides Engels, we must honor the other classics!
  57. +1
    17 September 2023 14: 09
    Any ship can be sunk, but first you need to defeat Ukraine, and for this for now you need not to sink the British destroyer, but to isolate the Western border of Ukraine from the penetration of weapons from NATO countries.
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  59. -1
    17 September 2023 15: 26
    The time has come to move the red lines to enemy territory - Great Britain, the USA and other NATO countries must pay in full for the Crimean Bridge, for the Black Sea Fleet, for attacks on Russian cities and airfields.
    They must either stop or feel the war on their own skin.

    I agree completely! But who is the strong-willed person, with titanium Faberge, who will bring your proposals to life, the author? Can you tell me where to get it? When you find it, then we’ll discuss...the defeat of a British or someone else’s destroyer. hi
  60. +3
    17 September 2023 15: 29
    And this opens up very interesting opportunities for us, after all, as Vladimir Ilyich Lenin said, “The capitalists themselves will sell us the rope on which we will hang them.”

    It seems that today these most stupid and greedy capitalists are Russia. In any case, our country trades in “ropes” with a zeal that deserves better use.
    Vladimir Ilyich, as always, is right. Unlike Vladimir Vladimirovich.
  61. 0
    17 September 2023 15: 32
    Quote from nordscout
    I think that Andrei Mitrofanov will be flattered if I call him, following the famous English science fiction writer, H.G. Wells, “The Kremlin Dreamer”.... True, this definition concerned our Leader and Teacher V.I. Lenin regarding the GOELRO plan (electrification of Russia, 1920). And this plan was implemented “in bronze and marble” according to all deadlines, since there was a different socio-economic system, other human ideals, ideological education and perception of life as such, which allowed the Russian Federation - the USSR to eliminate the consequences of the Civil War in the shortest possible time , create a powerful economy, defeat fascism, raise the country from ruins, give the population of the USSR a decent life with hope and confidence in the future... And now - another “calico”: another country, other concepts and definitions, other life and human ideals, in of which there are practically no concepts of duty, honor, dignity, self-respect... Money, personal well-being, personal peace at any cost, and simply “don’t care” - have become the “calling card” of the modern Russian man in the street and on all “floors” of power, with rare with the exception... To implement Mr. Mitrofanov’s “terrorist idea” regarding attacks on the British and US fleets, first of all, political will is needed, then, a well-functioning organization for the production of this naval “ammunition”, a system for its use, support, training , political support... With all the "components" of this war at sea, it is very, very difficult and modest for us... And why? The answers, even with a simple analysis of the state of everything and everyone in Russia, lie on the surface.... We have been carrying out a police operation for a year, called SVO, and there are not particularly “impressive” victories in sight, our warrior heroes are being killed and maimed enemy artillery, and there are still not enough counter-battery weapons (radar) on the front line, as well as a sufficient number of drones for various purposes, modern means of communication with secure channels.... And you, Mr. Mitrofanov, oh "war at sea" in the style of Peter Watts. Yes, as a reference, who will “pluck up the courage” and sign a paper regarding a strike on His Majesty’s Navy, therefore, will start a war with Britain, if at the moment 500000 of our fellow citizens “live” there and, as you understand, “not from the plow or from the machine”, but quite “respected persons”, who are still listened to...... And you’re talking about the war at sea.....

    Respect, it’s better not to write. hi
  62. -2
    17 September 2023 15: 33
    The way Great Britain constantly behaves both with the USSR and today’s Russia (as well as with the Russian Empire), all relations with it should have been severed long ago. Especially now when she is in charge of military planning and terrorist attacks on Russia.
    Another issue is an overt or covert attack on the islands or on British bases around the world.
    It is possible, just like her, to organize an attack through third countries. Organize a campaign when you see a submitted king, kill him.
    Help Argentina regain the Malvinas Islands. Help India file a claim for damages from the British genocide in India. Same in Ireland and Scotland. They won't be able to pay for a thousand years. By and large, Great Britain doesn’t just have blood up to its elbows, but up to its ears or to the top of its head. In the genocide of peoples, Hitler took a lot from the British.
    The West has imposed sanctions against our banks and we need to exclude English banks from circulation. Let's see who survives. Prohibit insuring ships at Lloyd's and not allow ships to enter if they are insured there.
    Great Britain must be shown war and shame. soldier
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  65. 0
    17 September 2023 16: 45
    It's high time to do this¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  66. +1
    17 September 2023 17: 14
    This is not the West at ease, this is us in complete bliss. They don’t even knock on our doors, they kick them in, but we still love our neighbors and turn our cheeks...
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  68. +1
    17 September 2023 18: 03
    Let's get down to business

    What, there is no letter “Z” in the Russian alphabet?
    The author is suffering from paranoid illness.
    We have a lot of them. By the way, is the author not a State Duma member by any chance?
    Open your eyes, citizens!
    All this was arranged by the Russian government and our hegemon only because, like all stupid people, fooled by easy money and unlimited power, they wanted to wave their fists, sending their electorate to die in war. And this was done for the sake of preserving this very power, because there were real fears of a popular revolt due to rampant corruption in the country and the merciless theft of officials and the oligarchy. And this prospect was worse than the SVO...
    Now they are calling for us to take the next step, or at least preparing us for this.
    Do not get fooled by provocations!
    Putin's "paradise" is only for us...
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      17 September 2023 20: 19
      Be patient and they will cure you. Putin’s only fault is that 9 years ago he didn’t pull the Khokhlostan on a stake...
  69. -1
    17 September 2023 18: 08
    Interesting offer. And hang Ukrainian flags on the boats and an inscription saying hello from Zelensky.
    And let them prove that it’s not them.
    After all, five Ukrainians blew up the Nord Streams.
    And throw it on the Internet that this is revenge on the West from Ukrainian partisans who are not helping Ukraine.
    Stop playing at being noble, Sudoplatov did not stand on ceremony with his enemies. And these are worse than the Nazis.
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  71. +1
    17 September 2023 18: 16
    They must either stop or feel the war on their own skin.
    Lord, but this is hysterical! For example, during the Vietnam War, the Americans tolerated our help to the Vietnamese and nothing...
    1. 0
      17 September 2023 18: 44
      Lord, but this is hysterical!


      The unpleasant feeling of zugzwang is growing, and even in the context of an expiring time limit.
      In this position, there is a strong desire to overturn the board.

      Move from chess to boxing. True, it is already clear that the enemy is in a significantly heavier weight category. But there is still hope that we have more “courage”!
  72. 0
    17 September 2023 18: 30
    It's time to move the red lines into enemy territory


    Already passed.
    On February 24, 2022, we have already moved the red lines to enemy territory.
    As a result, after some time they appeared on our territory, where before it was calm and safe.

    What reason is there to suspect that even now they will not return, but in a much more serious form?
  73. 0
    17 September 2023 19: 09
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    Lord, but this is hysterical!


    The unpleasant feeling of zugzwang is growing, and even in the context of an expiring time limit.
    In this position, there is a strong desire to overturn the board.

    Move from chess to boxing. True, it is already clear that the enemy is in a significantly heavier weight category. But there is still hope that we have more “courage”!
    Right!
    But in general, regarding the situation and its discussion: yes, you know (as the famous literary hero said)... Similar articles and the many irresponsible and provocative comments to them are striking. It feels like all these people can’t even add 2+2 or move e2 to e4. They are unable to simply calculate the reaction of our geopolitical “opponents” and its consequences for ourselves!
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      -1
      17 September 2023 19: 35
      They will probably impose sanctions, right?
      The text of your comment is too short and according to the administration
    2. -1
      17 September 2023 20: 16
      Stop pissing boiling water in front of Western nonentity...
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  75. 0
    17 September 2023 19: 19
    “Several powerful explosions were heard. Apparently, the warhead (warhead) of the BEC-kamikaze was quite comparable to the anti-ship missile warhead. The impact hit almost one point in the center of the destroyer. A huge hole formed in the ship’s hull, into which water poured, above the waterline in A fire was raging in the ship's compartments, and an oily stain was spreading across the water." Yes, it's just some kind of holiday!
    Presumably, it was an audio book, however.
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    0
    17 September 2023 19: 32
    Fiercely plus!
    If only this article would hit Putin’s ears!
    This is what we now need like air, as an antidote to the Ukrainian infection. All conceivable and inconceivable red lines have been crossed, what else are we waiting for? Why are we not fighting in Ukraine in full force? Why do we feel sorry for our traitors and saboteurs? Are we embarrassed to create difficulties for Western partners? How long will our guys pay for this indecision with their lives?
  77. +2
    17 September 2023 19: 47
    Our leadership would rather piss themselves and say that it’s sweat from hard work than do anything against the West
  78. -1
    17 September 2023 19: 58
    Tempting. But it is difficult to implement in the current realities. Mass production of such kamikaze boats, especially from imported components, in modern Russia, will not be able to be launched so that the next day after such a decision is made (or even faster), “dear partners” will not find out about it, and then the notorious 5 Article XNUMX of the NATO Charter, etc.
    1. 0
      17 September 2023 20: 13
      Article 5 is invalid. None of them will die millions for others. This is obvious.
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    -2
    17 September 2023 20: 26
    After the resumption of the grain deal without taking into account the opinion of Russia, after the delivery of cluster weapons prohibited by the Convention, due to which our losses sharply increased, the need for decisive action without regard to the international community has clearly become ripe and overdue. They have already done everything they could. For starters, this is the destruction of the entire infrastructure of Ukraine: power plants and substations, all factories and factories (for humanity’s sake it is possible at night, but this will not affect anything), all railway stations and all trains, all cars and railway bridges, all ships and ports. Secondly, declare Ukraine a no-fly and travel-free zone, i.e. everything that flies and everything that moves outside cities, except passenger cars, must be destroyed without pity. Thirdly, a non-emitting zone. Any radio emission outside cities is a target for attack. And in cities without electricity there is no way to communicate. How much you can feel sorry for these non-brothers and lose your fighters for no clear purpose. Then we need to smoothly move on to our respected partners: cut off all their underwater communications, do with their gas carriers the same thing they did with our Nord Streams. Deliver Smerch and S-400 to Syria and liberate its entire territory from the occupiers. To support with weapons, techniques and politically the people's liberation movements in Europe and the USA: yellow vests, migrants, IRA, BLM and many others. Let them take care of their problems, if there’s nothing else to do except pit the Slavs against each other in Ukraine. What kind of incomprehensible humanity towards strangers and indifference towards our own. Now it is obvious to even the most stupid person that our boys are paying for all these gestures of goodwill with blood. And a lot of blood. Maybe that's enough already?
  81. +3
    17 September 2023 20: 30
    regular, some kind of youthful dreams
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  82. 0
    17 September 2023 20: 40
    I’m surprised how Western-made MANPADS handed over to Ukraine haven’t knocked down any aircraft in Europe yet!? There is no arms control, they sell it to everyone, and Russia has nothing to do with it.
  83. -1
    17 September 2023 20: 52
    Dreams..... No one dares. We are all concerned...
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  85. -2
    17 September 2023 21: 21
    It’s a good idea to drown them, and use their own drones. Catch those that are sailing to Crimea for us and send them to the shores of England
    It would be better to sink some American aircraft carrier. This will be funny for everyone.
    Naval drones are a real threat to the US fleet.
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  88. -1
    17 September 2023 22: 12
    Andrey Mitrofanov, you are right, it is almost impossible to identify an attack carried out by Western weapons.
    Maybe they are doing a provocation for themselves, as in their opinion, Russia itself blew up its northern streams...
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  90. -1
    17 September 2023 22: 54
    ...feel the war first hand.

    This is what I personally like best!
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    1. -1
      18 September 2023 00: 47
      Collect and send from Africa. Wagner is quite capable of assembling and transporting such a device anywhere.
      1. 0
        18 September 2023 21: 32
        One or two to go to Africa? It is clear that I am exaggerating, but the meaning is approximately the same. Yes, this is pointless. Ukrainians are nagging about this topic due to poverty, and the result is much more modest. One Point -U brought much more harm to the Black Sea Fleet. Again, during normal OVR service, noticing and neutralizing “fire ships” is generally routine.
  92. 0
    18 September 2023 00: 32
    I would repay the British with a whole sting operation: I would convince their leaders that they could easily denazify and demilitarize Ireland... and once they started annexing the Irish provinces to Britain, I would start sending weapons into a defending Ireland. am
    This would be fully consistent with international law. There would be no need to hide anything.
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  94. -1
    18 September 2023 00: 44
    There is a tunnel under the English Channel. And for some reason nothing happens to him.
  95. +1
    18 September 2023 04: 35
    Did I understand correctly that the first part is a retelling of the author’s dream, who played a lot of naval shooting games on the computer in the evening?
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  99. +1
    18 September 2023 09: 35
    There are no red lines. How can they be transferred somewhere? In the Kremlin, even after the drone arrived, they did not come out of their coma.
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