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Commander of the Air Force of the Ukrainian Armed Forces: The missile strike on Crimea was carried out by British missiles with the help of aviation

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Commander of the Air Force of the Ukrainian Armed Forces: The missile strike on Crimea was carried out by British missiles with the help of aviation

The commander of the Air Forces of the Ukrainian Army, Nikolai Oleschuk, indirectly confirmed that the missile strike on Crimea was carried out using Storm Shadow missiles supplied by the West using aviation.


In the usual buffoonish manner for representatives of the Kiev regime, Oleschuk wrote on Telegram that Crimea was “storming,” and also thanked the flight crew of the remnants of the Ukrainian Air Force and promised Russia some “continuation.”

Ukrainian sources also report that surface-to-surface guided missiles launched from British M270 MLRS were also used for the first time to strike Sevastopol. The strike was combined and coordinated by the British intelligence service MI-6.

Last night, militants of the Kyiv regime launched a massive attack with cruise missiles on the S. Ordzhonikidze ship repair plant located in Sevastopol. Of the ten cruise missiles fired by the enemy, seven were shot down in the air by air defense systems, but the remaining three caused damage to two ships that were being repaired.

In addition, the enemy attempted to attack a detachment of ships of the Black Sea fleet using three unmanned boats. All Ukrainian maritime drones were destroyed by the patrol ship "Vasily Bykov".

Earlier, the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, stated that the use of Western missiles outside the special operation zone would mean a full-fledged involvement of Great Britain and the United States in the armed conflict. Only Britain and the United States no longer seem to be trying to hide the fact that they have been actively participating in the conflict against Russia for a long time.
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  1. opuonmed
    opuonmed 13 September 2023 12: 25
    +22

    Statement dated June 20, 2023
    Well, we are waiting for an answer and more!
    Will Russia drown Britain???????
    1. Smoked
      Smoked 13 September 2023 12: 33
      +22
      He said “it will entail immediate attacks on decision-making centers on the territory of Ukraine.” They will terrorize the next bunkers with NATO members as expected.
      It’s different for me, it’s unpleasant. 10 cruise missiles arrived, they shot down about 7, and this was in Sevastopol, a military facility for a minute, that is, with everything that was needed in terms of air defense. What if cruise missiles fly further, as their drones fly now?
      1. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket 13 September 2023 13: 08
        +42
        Something tells me that beyond the knitted eyebrows, menacing sniffles and threats that all Westerners have forgotten about long ago, the result will be frankly insignificant. After all, they don’t touch the same Kremenchug oil refinery that supplies the Ukrainian army with fuel. A raven, or in other words, a capitalist will not peck out a capitalist’s eye.
        1. Olive1
          Olive1 13 September 2023 13: 21
          +16
          Quite a pathetic sight. They'll get drunk
          1. Egeny
            Egeny 13 September 2023 14: 01
            +7
            Of course it’s pathetic... but they’ll just get “drowsy”...
            So what's next?
            Will we draw “red lines” again?
            Did you really buy red markers?
            ... "He said "... so what? Where is the answer, Kuzhugetovich?
            1. zloybond
              zloybond 13 September 2023 14: 37
              +6
              You need to take into account that lines were also drawn for them, so all that remains is to frown with your eyebrows. BUT do not forget that Britain, in response to the supply of missiles to Ukraine, receives Russian oil and not only oil!!!! And this is presented by upstart propagandists as: Yay!!!!!!
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 13 September 2023 17: 19
            +7
            Quote: Olive1
            Quite a pathetic sight. They'll get drunk

            As soon as they get to sleep, anyone who dares to object is either removed, or imprisoned, or killed, and the people without a real leader are an inert mass, in the case of Russia, also servile.
        2. Serge9901
          Serge9901 13 September 2023 13: 59
          +5
          About the refinery - to the point, I add it many times, And one more thing: we won’t cover our entire territory, we won’t cover it, it’s too big (both tribes are in air defense, underground and cap). It is necessary to put the deer in the stall, the plane to the landfill and a comrade, or a “fly man”, to take care of business.
      2. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 13 September 2023 13: 09
        +14
        Quote: Smoked
        solutions

        They will definitely fly, don’t go to a fortune teller.
        This is because they are at war, which means everything is allowed, but we have SVO.
        The problem can only be solved radically by the destruction of the Nazi-Bandera entity called Ukraine.
        1. linux28
          linux28 13 September 2023 13: 16
          +3
          Do you know that starting this year, first-year students are taught the subject “Fundamentals of Russian Statehood”? Look through the textbook. There are assumptions made about what the delimitation/demarcation of the border “with the rest of Ukraine” will look like. So stop dreaming about destruction.
          1. Ulan.1812
            Ulan.1812 13 September 2023 22: 12
            +3
            Quote from: linux28
            Do you know that starting this year, first-year students are taught the subject “Fundamentals of Russian Statehood”? Look through the textbook. There are assumptions made about what the delimitation/demarcation of the border “with the rest of Ukraine” will look like. So stop dreaming about destruction.

            I am no longer a freshman; I graduated from college in 1982.
            1. linux28
              linux28 13 September 2023 23: 27
              +2
              That’s why I’m telling you what the general line is today. If you were a freshman, the teacher would tell you that there were probably 7000 of them trained.
      3. opuonmed
        opuonmed 13 September 2023 13: 11
        0
        Britons and Americans are drawn into war) you forgot to mention this)
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 13 September 2023 13: 53
          0
          Quote: opuonmed
          Britons and Americans are drawn into war) you forgot to mention this)

          Was this noted?
          The strike was combined and coordinated by the British intelligence service MI-6.

          It’s just worth adding: “not a single MI6 employee was harmed.”
      4. alystan
        alystan 13 September 2023 13: 37
        +8
        He said "will entail immediate strikes by decision-making centers on the territory of Ukraine." Will be a nightmare regular bunkers with NATO members as expected.

        I'm afraid that I will have to wait a long time for everything that has been announced.
        As General Pulikovsky put it (I quote from memory) - “There should be no half-hearted decisions! You need to know the enemy by sight, he must be destroyed, you cannot agree to negotiate with them! Everything will work against us later!”
      5. Olive1
        Olive1 13 September 2023 20: 46
        +6
        What can you expect from the Ministry of Defense, which was hiding under a bench in June?
      6. irdidaal
        irdidaal 18 September 2023 11: 21
        0
        Quote: Smoked
        What if cruise missiles fly further?

        It’s not even a matter of further, although Taurus will be able to hit 500 km, but in other directions. Moscow is just over 500 km away.
        Now, if it starts flying to Smolensk, Tula, the Moscow region, Kursk, Bryansk, Belgorod, Rostov, etc. I wonder if we will continue to fight with one hand?
        The GUR organizes terrorist attacks throughout the country, but is never recognized as a terrorist organization. Inexplicable...
    2. Mikhail Ivanov
      Mikhail Ivanov 13 September 2023 12: 33
      +15
      And Lampas doesn’t want to show us a retaliatory strike on British military targets with Russian missiles using strategic aviation???
      What a shame for these would-be rulers...
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 13 September 2023 12: 42
        +6
        Once again they will make a “threatening” statement
      2. Irokez
        Irokez 13 September 2023 12: 45
        -17
        Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
        And Lampas doesn’t want to show us a retaliatory strike on British military targets with Russian missiles using strategic aviation???
        What a shame for these would-be rulers...

        Ivanov, who are you? Tsepsoshniks or a provocateur inciting a nuclear war?
        Yes, and Lompas is who, voice the name, don’t shout from the bushes.
        1. KAVBER
          KAVBER 13 September 2023 14: 31
          +1
          Yes, there are a good half of whiners and critics here. They can just put it on the fan. But how to do something yourself, no. The first ones will fade away much deeper if, as they suggest, things get tougher, they will put everyone under the gun and throw them into attacks. And they will continue to whine that they thought that they themselves would throw the soldiers into a meat grinder, but here they are, they are not the ones who disagree so much.
          1. Mikhail Ivanov
            Mikhail Ivanov 13 September 2023 14: 38
            -12
            I see nuclear war is most feared by those who have never left the couch in their lives, but have seen the war in the movies...
            Go on business trips, climb mountains and forests, and maybe then your consciousness will awaken. My consciousness awoke when, at the Union of Masters of Sports in Shooting, I completed...
            1. Irokez
              Irokez 13 September 2023 15: 07
              +7
              Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
              I completed a Master of Sports in shooting under the Union.

              And this high rank allows you to start a nuclear war?
              1. Mikhail Ivanov
                Mikhail Ivanov 13 September 2023 20: 03
                -2
                I have the rank of major, I was an employee of the State Security agencies. I think I've said enough...
                A nuclear war will begin not because of attacks on a principal rival, but because of one’s own pissing!
                At one time, my group resolved many issues with the Arabs on our territory, and if they had pissed us off, our houses would have continued to be blown up...
                It is IMPOSSIBLE to explain this to those who do not understand!
                For many years on December 20th I pour a glass and cover it with bread, because I remember my people...
                1. Fedka
                  Fedka 13 September 2023 20: 58
                  +3
                  This is where you got caught. State security officers do not talk about ranks. It is forbidden. But there is no such thing as former state security. laughing
            2. Castro Ruiz
              Castro Ruiz 13 September 2023 15: 40
              0
              An excellent Voroshilov shooter, isn't he?
      3. sleeve
        sleeve 13 September 2023 12: 52
        +4
        A good option. We will know for sure at least the pseudonym of the person at whose request a global nuclear war began: “Mikhail-Ivanov”
      4. VladMirU
        VladMirU 13 September 2023 14: 14
        0
        And for me, shame begins to move into a more unbalanced state. Instead of ashes on my bald head, I start looking for my old saber left over from the Civil War. In a dream of course.....
    3. Silver99
      Silver99 13 September 2023 12: 36
      +39
      It’s stupid to wait for an attack on Britain, but yes they supply missiles, yes they supply intelligence, so what? If the DPRK or Iran supplies us with something, no one attacks them. The UN ban on the supply of weapons and intervention in a military conflict begins to take effect only if the parties declare war, then the targets of the participants will be considered legal, but for now it is only shaking the air. In real retaliation, I see attacks on the bases of Germany and Britain in Africa by rebel forces with Russian weapons, for now this is the only way we can respond.
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 13 September 2023 12: 40
        +3
        Rebels need to be raised and supported for a long time, these are programs for years and this works in a normal country with its own interests, if its system is structured in such a way that it does not matter which talking head is in the main chair of the country. The programs are long-term and work regardless. We have a new “tsar” who sat in the chair and went and changed things in his own way.
        1. Silver99
          Silver99 13 September 2023 12: 41
          +5
          Wait, what about PMCs, they are invited by legitimate governments and go ahead.
          1. Smoked
            Smoked 13 September 2023 12: 45
            +5
            PMCs are support for the pants of a certain power group, and rebels with ideas and their long struggle as a self-sustaining organism are somewhat different.
      2. Mikhail Ivanov
        Mikhail Ivanov 13 September 2023 14: 40
        +7
        According to updated data, the attack was carried out in a comprehensive manner. First, the S-200s converted by Khokhlov were used, which loaded the air defense, then the French Scalp missiles, an analogue of the Storm Shadow, were used. The missiles were launched from aircraft, there were 10 of them in total, seven were shot down.
        The BDK Minsk, a much needed ship, was seriously damaged. Also, the Rostov-on-Don submarine came under attack, which repeatedly fired at the Ukroreich... So they let us have a serious light while Vova told us how everything was great around us, but the Ukrainian was bad...
        They say paddling pools have problems in Africa? Maybe Lampas will help the natives in the fight against the colonialists???
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 13 September 2023 15: 10
          -1
          Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
          Maybe Lampas will help

          So who is Lompas? Does the master of sports have the courage to say?
          1. culinary
            culinary 13 September 2023 16: 46
            +8
            Quote: Irokez
            Quote: Mikhail-Ivanov
            Maybe Lampas will help

            So who is Lompas? Does the master of sports have the courage to say?

            A costumed builder is at the head of the security department. What's so unclear about this?
          2. Mikhail Ivanov
            Mikhail Ivanov 13 September 2023 20: 04
            0
            Lampas is Gerasim's friend))) And Gerasim knows exactly what mu-mu is...
          3. alexandre II
            alexandre II 14 September 2023 06: 31
            +4
            But you can’t guess for yourself? Stop being sarcastic... TsIPSO gave the command to start a scandal, so go ahead, work off your cookies, Mr....
            1. Ludoger
              Ludoger 14 September 2023 12: 15
              +2
              This is not snark. This is a provocation of the opponent
        2. Fedka
          Fedka 13 September 2023 21: 14
          -7
          The stripe has a first name, last name, and rank. There is such a word as subordination, major. You are on the Military Review website and are watching the market.
        3. woodcutter
          woodcutter 14 September 2023 19: 00
          +1
          The Black Sea Fleet is paralyzed and does not play a key role in the conflict. You can forget about landing operations. They will not work there, neither in the sea nor in the air version.
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 13 September 2023 12: 41
      +3
      Unfortunately, there will be nothing in response from our side in relation to the same naglycosia! "The Kremlin partners are untouchable!
    5. barclay
      barclay 13 September 2023 12: 53
      +10
      Another formidable balabolism of our military commanders is due to the fact that we cannot start a world war from our Northern Military District. Because everyone understands where these notorious decision-making centers are located.
    6. Sergei N 58912062
      Sergei N 58912062 14 September 2023 00: 39
      +1
      Quote: opuonmed

      Statement dated June 20, 2023
      Well, we are waiting for an answer and more!
      Will Russia drown Britain???????

      opuonmed, he also said: "... will entail immediate attacks on decision-making centers on the territory of Ukraine."
      There was no mention of attacks on British territory.
  2. Aleprok
    Aleprok 13 September 2023 12: 26
    +12
    Well, we have rubber red lines (((so we’ll wake up again
    1. Orange Bigg
      Orange Bigg 13 September 2023 12: 33
      +8
      Why? The X-59MK2 and X-50 will fly around Odessa. Mirror answer. True, they don’t even have ships there. whatOr an economical option using the improved FAB-1500 UMPC in Odessa. The accuracy of FAB-1500 M54 aerial bombs with UMPC is stated at the level of 5 meters. The affected area exceeds 2 square kilometers, with a diameter of the explosion crater of 15 meters. And the UK should also respond in the same way. I wonder if Argentina would be interested in the X-35UE or X-59MK2 anti-ship missiles?
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 13 September 2023 12: 50
        +11
        The front one is the front door. One stream of words is replaced by another stream, but when this stream of verbiage reaches a direct answer is not yet visible.
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 13 September 2023 13: 16
        +5
        What a tech lover you are. names in almost every comment... the question is not whether we have anything to fly? but when, where and with what result?
  3. Ilya-spb
    Ilya-spb 13 September 2023 12: 26
    +19
    I suggest trying out “Dagger” in some Scapa Flow.

    Previously, the "Dagger" should be rented out to the heroic rebels fighting the British imperialists.
    1. Mikhail Ivanov
      Mikhail Ivanov 13 September 2023 12: 36
      -1
      I believe that the launch was carried out from the territory of Western Ukraine and, most likely, the planes took off from the territory of Romania or Poland. And, as an option, these were not MIGs, but F-16s...
      1. dmi.pris1
        dmi.pris1 13 September 2023 12: 49
        0
        This is Amerz trash... belay Yes Although this is only in the minds of turbo-patriots... Well, oh well... After all, according to Konashenkov, we took out the entire Air Force there? Somehow it doesn’t go well am
        1. NotPetya
          NotPetya 13 September 2023 13: 20
          +11
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          After all, according to Konashenkov, we took out the entire Air Force there?


          According to Konashenkov, we destroyed 54 Su-24M/MR out of 23 possible and 176 (in words - one hundred and seventy-six) Su-25 out of 33 possible.
          i.e., everything was destroyed a very long time ago.
          By the way, as for the rest of the planes, they were also all destroyed, but the Su-27 was destroyed only once, and the MIG-29 was destroyed twice.
          1. osp
            osp 13 September 2023 15: 18
            +2
            Ukraine could have about 24 Su-200s of various modifications inherited from the USSR.
            Therefore, there are plenty of such goods and spare parts for them.
            It’s clear that the losses are exaggerated, but they keep about a dozen aircraft of this type in service.
            And several dozen more in storage.
            1. Escariot
              Escariot 13 September 2023 16: 57
              +1
              Quote from osp
              Ukraine could have about 24 Su-200s of various modifications inherited from the USSR.
              Therefore, there are plenty of such goods and spare parts for them.
              It’s clear that the losses are exaggerated, but they keep about a dozen aircraft of this type in service.
              And several dozen more in storage.

              Those. Do you prefer that the combat readiness of Ukrainian aviation was 1000%? I would be surprised if all their combat aircraft were able to take off, and you are talking about scrap metal from stock depots. It would be fine to talk about the MiG-29, which is being repaired in Poland, but the Su-24 was not exported and there is nothing and nowhere to repair them. Well, taking into account the poverty of Ukrainian warrant officers, it is hardly possible to even bring them into combat-ready condition.
              1. osp
                osp 13 September 2023 19: 49
                0
                Dozens of these Su-24s were stored for 30 years. Engines and valuable spare parts were removed from those that were written off.
                All this lay at ARZ for many years; Ukraine did some of the packaging independently at its enterprises.
                And if the storage conditions are met, then the new part will still be category 30 after 1 years.
      2. private person
        private person 13 September 2023 12: 53
        +4
        Most likely, the planes took off from the territory of Romania or Poland

        Well, this can easily be confirmed or denied by the Russian Defense Ministry, ten missiles are at least 4 bombers and they could not help but be detected by our air defenses from where they came.
        1. Escariot
          Escariot 13 September 2023 14: 09
          +1
          Quote: private person
          Most likely, the planes took off from the territory of Romania or Poland

          Well, this can easily be confirmed or denied by the Russian Defense Ministry, ten missiles are at least 4 bombers and they could not help but be detected by our air defenses from where they came.

          Why are you so sure that you “couldn’t have missed it”? Did we have a pair of A-50s hanging in the air at that moment in order to control the airspace over Ukraine? Most likely, they learned about the very fact of launching these missiles only after their arrival, and you are talking about planes 100 km from the front
          1. osp
            osp 13 September 2023 15: 23
            +4
            They fly from Ukrainian airfields, civilian airports and various operational strips.
            Perhaps they took off from the Shkolny airfield near Odessa.
            Naturally, no one discovered them - there is nothing to do if they wander at low altitudes.
  4. Uprun
    Uprun 13 September 2023 12: 26
    +15
    Well, demolish half of Lviv, since you can’t buy it.
    1. Mikhail Ivanov
      Mikhail Ivanov 13 September 2023 12: 37
      +9
      Why only half??? I don’t agree with this way of putting the question!
    2. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 13 September 2023 13: 13
      +4
      Quote from uprun
      Well, demolish half of Lviv, since you can’t buy it.

      I’ve been talking about this for a long time - let the Poles get the ruins. We don’t need Galicia, it only causes problems.
    3. Leshak
      Leshak 13 September 2023 13: 52
      +4
      Quote from uprun
      Well, demolish half of Lviv, since you can’t buy it.

      I remembered a Soviet joke. Collective farm. The tractor driver drowned the tractor, there is a meeting - they are deciding how to punish. The blacksmith takes the floor: “Let me hit him?!” Chairman: “It’s impossible, you’ll kill him, and we have only one tractor driver.” Blacksmith: “Then let me hit the carpenter, we have two!”
      It’s time to strike at the office of the President of Cocaine, the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Security Service of Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada, etc. For Nazi personalities in power, so that they do not feel inviolable, no matter where they are.
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 September 2023 12: 27
    +3
    There is only one answer, there are 17 Black Sea Fleet ships at sea, three of them have 8 calibers on board, they need to be discharged in Ukraine.
    1. AndreyKam_Z
      AndreyKam_Z 13 September 2023 12: 36
      +7
      Are there any “good” goals? Or do you think that our missiles are made according to Khrushchev, like sausages?
    2. private person
      private person 13 September 2023 12: 58
      +8
      8 calibers on board, they need to be discharged in Ukraine.

      How soon will these ships be able to be replenished? Maybe some people are just waiting for this, when the ships, having fired, go to replenish the b/c.
  6. bbss
    bbss 13 September 2023 12: 27
    -4
    It's time to test their red lines for flexibility. A couple of shipyards on the Clyde.
  7. Smoked
    Smoked 13 September 2023 12: 28
    +5
    Yes, many people now remember Shoigu’s words with another red line. Well, they also remember that regular attacks on new territories of the Russian Federation are not any special reason.
    To be precise, he said on 20.06.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX:
    “The use of these missiles outside the zone of a special military operation will mean the full involvement of the United States and Great Britain in the conflict and will entail immediate attacks on decision-making centers on the territory of Ukraine,” Sergei Shoigu emphasized.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 13 September 2023 12: 41
      +9
      key phrase on the territory of Ukraine, it flies every night anyway
      1. Smoked
        Smoked 13 September 2023 12: 49
        0
        I am aware that his statement is about nothing, immediately and clearly understandable.
        1. dmi.pris1
          dmi.pris1 13 September 2023 13: 19
          0
          Does it fly every night? Okay. Then WHY, after nightly strikes, do they continue to strike the Black Sea Fleet and beyond? This is not a question for you, but for those on whom the quality of those strikes depends
          1. Arkadich
            Arkadich 13 September 2023 20: 49
            +2
            Then WHY, after nightly strikes, do they continue to strike the Black Sea Fleet and beyond? This is not a question for you, but for those on whom the quality of those strikes depends

            What kind of blows? You are a smart person, what is 10-20, even 100 missiles per day for the state of Ukraine?
            Here 3 missiles flew towards us, yes, it’s disgusting, but the Black Sea Fleet has not died and will not die.
            Germany was knocked out by carpet bombing so many times, but it still produced weapons to the end.
  8. WILL
    WILL 13 September 2023 12: 28
    +7
    I don’t understand, was it really possible that during the time of the Northern Military District they were not able to destroy the aircraft and the places from which they take off? Military aviation is not a drone that can be launched from your knees. What prevents you from creating a constellation of satellites that will monitor the territory of Ukraine in real time?
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 13 September 2023 12: 37
      +2
      Quote: ANIMAL
      I don’t understand, was it really possible that during the time of the Northern Military District they were not able to destroy the aircraft and the places from which they take off? Military aviation is not a drone that can be launched from your knees. What prevents you from creating a constellation of satellites that will monitor the territory of Ukraine in real time?

      So General Konashenkov in the first months of the Northern Military District “destroyed” all aviation and all air defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
      So they can't shoot...
    2. AndreyKam_Z
      AndreyKam_Z 13 September 2023 12: 38
      +7
      What prevents you from creating a constellation of satellites that will monitor the territory of Ukraine in real time?

      Time and money. The production of one satellite takes more than a year because... piece production.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 13 September 2023 12: 51
        +5
        Quote: AndreyKam_Z
        Manufacturing one satellite takes more than a year

        It's already been one and a half hours.
        1. al3x
          al3x 13 September 2023 12: 59
          +6
          Quote: Stas157
          It's already been a month and a half

          One and a half and built lol
        2. linux28
          linux28 13 September 2023 13: 04
          +1
          And all these year and a half, by the way, we have been without decent, at least relatively good, microcircuits for space. Because they were very relative.
        3. AndreyKam_Z
          AndreyKam_Z 13 September 2023 13: 06
          +3
          Quote: AndreyKam_Z
          Manufacturing one satellite takes more than a year
          It's already been one and a half hours.

          Launching one satellite will not yield anything; it is necessary to launch a constellation so that they “hover” over the territory of Ukraine as often as possible. Accordingly, time and money for several satellites, a launch vehicle is a very long story. The work seems to be going on; a month ago there seemed to be a military launch. For now we are making do with the services of the People's Republic of China.
          Sputnik, satellite, discord. If you make CUBOSAT, then a week is enough.

          What will your CUBOSAT give you?
      2. Traktoris
        Traktoris 13 September 2023 12: 51
        -2
        Sputnik, satellite, discord. If you make CUBOSAT, then a week is enough.
        1. linux28
          linux28 13 September 2023 13: 05
          +4
          A week is not enough. Well, you also need to launch it. And it’s not a fact that everything you need will fit into this shoe box.
    3. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 13 September 2023 12: 42
      +1
      just take it and create it?))))), it will take decades
    4. kpd
      kpd 13 September 2023 12: 50
      0
      Only physics interferes - in order to constantly monitor the entire territory of Ukraine, several hundred satellites will need to be launched into low orbit.
      1. AndreyKam_Z
        AndreyKam_Z 13 September 2023 13: 10
        +6
        Only physics interferes - in order to constantly monitor the entire territory of Ukraine, several hundred satellites will need to be launched into low orbit.

        You were a little mistaken, for more or less constant monitoring of the order of ten, for continuous monitoring several dozen.
        But I still agree a lot.
        1. linux28
          linux28 13 September 2023 17: 38
          -1
          Depends on what exactly is considered monitoring.
          1. Arkadich
            Arkadich 13 September 2023 20: 53
            0
            Depends on what exactly is considered monitoring
            .
            I don’t know what you think, but let’s open the interpretation of the word and...
            Monitoring is a system of constant monitoring of phenomena and processes occurring in the environment.
    5. Stalingrad2010
      Stalingrad2010 13 September 2023 13: 33
      -1
      Amers all over the world are buying aviation for Bandera’s followers. All of Africa, Eastern Europe, Greece, Cyprus, even the two dozen helicopters that we built for Afghanistan, all this is now against us. Personally, I see the following picture: - Romanian Polish and Slovak airfields are used to base this aircraft. To carry out strikes, they will briefly relocate to Ukrainian bases before we have time to react. In this case, destruction of enemy aircraft is possible only at the front line. The enemy's air defense does not allow us to stop the flights of enemy aircraft deep behind enemy lines. I admit that cruise missiles are also mounted on the airfields of these countries.
      1. osp
        osp 13 September 2023 15: 31
        -1
        No need to write nonsense!
        From the USSR, Ukraine alone had about 24 (two hundred!!!) Su-200s of various modifications.
        By the beginning of the conflict, 30-40 of this number remained in service and about a hundred in storage.
        Even now there is a lot of this stuff and spare parts for it preserved there.

        No one gave any Su-24 to Ukraine because there was not the slightest need for this!
        Ukraine itself can sell these cars, because at least 30-50 cars remain in storage.
        They don't have pilots or airfield equipment to use it all.
        They fly from their own airfields and stripes.

        Because carrying almost 3 tons of weight is not enough to hang a block of NARs - the flight range is greatly reduced.
  9. ALARI
    ALARI 13 September 2023 12: 30
    +6
    What will our Supreme Commander-in-Chief say? Does he even know?
    1. Quetzalcoatl
      Quetzalcoatl 13 September 2023 12: 42
      +4
      The non-commander will not say anything, he has no time, and what are you really talking about, he has withdrawn himself.
      1. al3x
        al3x 13 September 2023 13: 03
        +5
        Quote: Quetzalcoatl
        Not a commander

        That's right, non-commander. By the way, he has been keeping silent for a long time regarding the further development of the situation and what all this chaos will lead to.
  10. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 13 September 2023 12: 30
    +14
    “Earlier, the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, stated that the use of Western missiles outside the special operation zone would mean a full-fledged involvement in the armed conflict between Great Britain and the United States.”
    Finally, Shoigu will show himself as a real military leader!
    The West, represented by MI6, gives him an excellent chance to confirm his big words with deeds!

    We hope that we will see how the skilled woodcarver, venerable writer, and part-time megastrategist will prove himself in military affairs.

    It is a pity that Shoigu did not say these loud words when Western weapons were killing civilians in Novorossiya.
    Probably, according to the Kremlin-Surkovites, some wrong Russian people live there.

    PS colleagues from the intelligence services suggest that it’s time for Shoigu to use our agents in England to terrorize it from the inside!
    Peskov's son, Pyotr Aven, Fridman, and the ugly whore Brilev, being citizens of this country, can easily, after snorting coke, attack parliament or spray the gateways of the East End at worst.
    1. Ulan.1812
      Ulan.1812 13 September 2023 13: 19
      +4
      Cool! I support and approve......laughing good
  11. chamberlain
    chamberlain 13 September 2023 12: 32
    -9
    This is not surprising... They are trying to call on Russia to negotiate!
    Well, well, everyone knows our conditions.
    I don’t know how it will turn out, but this is a war of nerves and in Russia they are stronger.
    1. cmax
      cmax 13 September 2023 12: 45
      -2
      Quote from chamberlain
      This is not surprising... They are trying to call on Russia to negotiate!
      Well, well, everyone knows our conditions.
      I don’t know how it will turn out, but this is a war of nerves and in Russia they are stronger.

      Yes, all that remains is to punish him in the cap, otherwise our nerves are strong. Only cognac is stronger
      1. Ulan.1812
        Ulan.1812 13 September 2023 22: 28
        +1
        Quote: cmax
        Quote from chamberlain
        This is not surprising... They are trying to call on Russia to negotiate!
        Well, well, everyone knows our conditions.
        I don’t know how it will turn out, but this is a war of nerves and in Russia they are stronger.

        Yes, all that remains is to punish him in the cap, otherwise our nerves are strong. Only cognac is stronger

        Only a fireman's head is stronger; nothing can break it.
  12. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 13 September 2023 12: 34
    +2
    Earlier, the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, stated that the use of Western missiles outside the special operation zone would mean a full-fledged involvement of Great Britain and the United States in the armed conflict.
    darling woke up?!!!
    and killing Russians from American or English weapons is not retraction, but targeting missiles and drones with the help of the American orbital group is not retraction, but ....?!!!!!
    It’s better to be silent, otherwise when you blurt out something you won’t know what to think
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 13 September 2023 14: 12
      0
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      Earlier, the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, stated that the use of Western missiles outside the special operation zone would mean a full-fledged involvement of Great Britain and the United States in the armed conflict.
      darling woke up?!!!
      and killing Russians from American or English weapons is not retraction, but targeting missiles and drones with the help of the American orbital group is not retraction, but ....?!!!!!
      It’s better to be silent, otherwise when you blurt out something you won’t know what to think

      Naturally not. After all, the killing of American troops in Vietnam by Soviet weapons did not drag the USSR into the war
  13. Sergei Viktorovich Korolev
    Sergei Viktorovich Korolev 13 September 2023 12: 40
    +2
    While the reindeer herders command the troops!? A lot can happen!
  14. jaroff
    jaroff 13 September 2023 12: 41
    +9
    What kind of action movies? We must call a spade a spade: the Ukrainian Armed Forces or the Ukrainian Army
    1. Huarabey
      Huarabey 13 September 2023 12: 53
      -3
      It's better to call them goblins. They call us orcs without hesitation.
    2. Stalingrad2010
      Stalingrad2010 13 September 2023 13: 39
      +2
      Bandera's people. Well, or Bandera's army.
  15. Vladimir Mikhalev
    Vladimir Mikhalev 13 September 2023 12: 44
    -7
    Has the air defense fallen again? Today I know that air defense defenders will say that a low-flying target is difficult to detect, especially drones. This is how I see this situation if I give the designers a good kick and remind them that such a device as an echo sounder was invented in 1940. They will have completely new ideas. In the meantime, you can install posts on approaches to one or another point. SAM systems like the Tunguska can cope with this task quite well. If the posts exist, the anti-aircraft gunners will also have enough time.
    1. JD1979
      JD1979 13 September 2023 12: 56
      +3
      The problem with all Russian air defense systems, except for the S350, is channeling. 7 out of 10 showed this once again very clearly. You won't be able to shoot in bursts like the Patriots.
      1. Vladimir Mikhalev
        Vladimir Mikhalev 13 September 2023 14: 15
        -1
        Sound + visual control is sufficient for detection. Yes, automation in this case, I agree 0. Regarding the bursts, the 2A38 on the Tunguska will cope with the task of low-flying targets. To date, losses have amounted to 2 ships. Isn't it a little expensive to throw up your hands? You just need to try and do something.
    2. Denis812
      Denis812 13 September 2023 13: 16
      +5
      There has never been, is not, and never will be, 100% effective air defense.
      Just like the only 100% option to fight enemy aircraft is to use your own tanks at enemy airfields.

      But in this particular case, the air defense worked. But yes, not everything was shot down.
      If 7 out of 10 missiles are shot down, this is 70% cover. By the way, quite a good result.
      It is clear that I would like 100% coverage, but this is unrealistic. Look at the map of the Russian Federation and estimate how much air defense is needed to cover EVERYTHING. Here the whole country should only build air defense. :)
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 13 September 2023 14: 06
        +2
        Quote: Denis812
        If 7 out of 10 missiles are shot down, this is 70% cover. By the way, quite a good result.

        This is a lousy result, considering that these missiles are not at all outstanding in terms of performance characteristics. And there is nothing complicated about intercepting them, and the only reason for missing them would be overload. Which can be solved either by complexes with missiles with AGSN, or by increasing the number of air defense systems. 10 missiles is not such a large number.
        1. Denis812
          Denis812 13 September 2023 21: 43
          -2
          Tomorrow you go to work at the machine where the corresponding rockets are made and the world becomes safer.
          Yes?
          Or what do you think?
      2. Vladimir Mikhalev
        Vladimir Mikhalev 13 September 2023 14: 16
        +3
        The losses are big. Ships take a long time to recover.
      3. Escariot
        Escariot 13 September 2023 14: 20
        +4
        Quote: Denis812
        There has never been, is not, and never will be, 100% effective air defense.
        Just like the only 100% option to fight enemy aircraft is to use your own tanks at enemy airfields.

        But in this particular case, the air defense worked. But yes, not everything was shot down.
        If 7 out of 10 missiles are shot down, this is 70% cover. By the way, quite a good result.
        It is clear that I would like 100% coverage, but this is unrealistic. Look at the map of the Russian Federation and estimate how much air defense is needed to cover EVERYTHING. Here the whole country should only build air defense. :)

        This is actually very, very bad. The enemy spent 20 million dollars worth of missiles and 300 million dollars in damage. A very bad exchange. If Great Britain supplies a hundred missiles and we repel them with the same effectiveness, then the Black Sea Fleet will cease to exist.
        1. Denis812
          Denis812 13 September 2023 21: 50
          -3
          where was it said that there was 300 million damage?
          In order to sink something for 300 lyams, it was necessary to sink another “Moscow”.

          And one more thing - the Ukrainian Armed Forces spent 20 million dollars worth of missiles, which is, excuse me, VERY, VERY much for Ukraine.
          One attack for 20 million bucks is more than a shitload.
          20 lyams in order to damage a large landing ship being repaired... well, apparently Ukraine is a rich country.
          Attack a ship that, in any case, will not attack her.
          Let's go for sure.
          1. Escariot
            Escariot 14 September 2023 00: 01
            +3
            Quote: Denis812
            where was it said that there was 300 million damage?
            In order to sink something for 300 lyams, it was necessary to sink another “Moscow”.

            And one more thing - the Ukrainian Armed Forces spent 20 million dollars worth of missiles, which is, excuse me, VERY, VERY much for Ukraine.
            One attack for 20 million bucks is more than a shitload.
            20 lyams in order to damage a large landing ship being repaired... well, apparently Ukraine is a rich country.
            Attack a ship that, in any case, will not attack her.
            Let's go for sure.

            There, a Varshavyanka-class submarine was still in dry dock. Judging by open sources, its market price is $300kk. And judging by the fire, she also suffered quite a bit. We are waiting for satellite photos to assess the damage. This time.
            2) The BDK is most likely scrapped. There was a significant fire there; the superstructures were definitely burned out. This is hardly possible to fix. It would be easier to put the captured Konstantin Olshansky into operation.
            Third, for Ukraine, an attack costing $20k is really not a small amount, but now they have a military budget of 40-45 billion dollars. So the cost of the attack is acceptable.
            And lastly, the enemy knocked out one of the Caliber carriers from us + destroyed a ship that potentially threatened Odessa with landing. Taking into account the loss of Saratov in Berdyansk and the damage to Gornyak in Novorossiysk, the enemy has already knocked out a third of our large landing craft. The chances of landing are becoming completely illusory, which means a garrison in Odessa is not needed and troops can be transferred to the front
      4. Yaroslav Tekkel
        Yaroslav Tekkel 13 September 2023 19: 55
        +4
        Quote: Denis812
        If 7 out of 10 missiles are shot down, this is 70% cover.

        Most likely this means that there is cover from seven missiles. If 20 had arrived, they would have shot down not 14, but exactly the same 7.
        1. Denis812
          Denis812 13 September 2023 21: 58
          -2
          Most likely this means that there is cover from seven missiles. If 20 had arrived, they would have shot down not 14, but exactly the same 7.

          You and I can only guess. You say that you would have shot down the same 7. But I can say that you would have shot down 20. And someone else can say that you would not have shot down a single one or would have shot down all of them + the missile installations would have been destroyed.
          In war, fortune telling is a thankless task. I know from myself in 1999-00 and in 08.
          1. Yaroslav Tekkel
            Yaroslav Tekkel 14 September 2023 21: 14
            0
            “70% probability” just doesn’t work that way. Otherwise, first they would have shot down seven out of ten missiles, fired again, shot down 2 of the remaining 3, and the third time they would have finished off the last one. Which, by the way, would have been possible if the shooting had been carried out not at missiles, but at some very slow-moving airships.

            In fact, missiles like “Skalpa” and “Stormoteni” are not in the range of fire of the air defense system for a very long time. For moderately rugged terrain, their detection range is indicated as 18-20 km (low flight altitude + reduced radar signature). The "Scalp" itself covers this distance in a minute; if anti-aircraft missiles are successfully detected and immediately launched, the downing/miss occurs 10-13 km from the air defense missile system itself. Not only is there no question of reloading, but even if there are unexpended missiles left on the launchers, the second salvo is a matter of great luck. And in the first salvo they decide the channel of the complex and the number of missiles on the launcher. The S-300/400 has the peculiarity that 2 missiles are aimed simultaneously through one channel to increase the likelihood of destruction (this is the standard method when firing at missiles). Accordingly, one launcher under ideal conditions can hit two targets; there can be from 6 to 12 of them in total, but generally no more than 8. And the number of channels of one air defense system is 6 in the version before 2012 and 10 after. The first salvo, therefore, is 20 missiles at 10 targets, the second, if you’re lucky, another 12 at 6 targets. Under absolutely ideal conditions (they were discovered in time, they instantly fired the first salvo, they managed to fire the second, all the equipment and missiles worked properly, 100% of hits in both salvos) the air defense system can shoot down 16 missiles. Then it becomes completely useless for a significant period of time until it is recharged. If 20 missiles fly, 4 are absolutely guaranteed to break through. If 30 fly, 14 will break through. If 100 fly, 84 will break through, etc.

            In reality, they managed to shoot down 7 missiles - 44% of the absolute ideal. If the Ukrainians had 20 missiles in a salvo, 13 would have passed, and there would have been little left of the plant with the ships. But, most likely, 10 missiles is their one-time maximum in terms of the number of carriers. Lucky. NATO clearly will not have such a maximum.
    3. Escariot
      Escariot 13 September 2023 14: 16
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
      Has the air defense fallen again? Today I know that air defense defenders will say that a low-flying target is difficult to detect, especially drones. This is how I see this situation if I give the designers a good kick and remind them that such a device as an echo sounder was invented in 1940. They will have completely new ideas. In the meantime, you can install posts on approaches to one or another point. SAM systems like the Tunguska can cope with this task quite well. If the posts exist, the anti-aircraft gunners will also have enough time.

      Although the British want to get rid of the Shadow Storm missiles and adopt new ones, they are now showing their effectiveness. Its low flight altitude and special shape and materials make it a stealth target. Air defense is very difficult with them.
      1. Vladimir Mikhalev
        Vladimir Mikhalev 13 September 2023 14: 41
        -2
        On Tunguska, in addition to missiles, there are machine guns. As Captain Vrungel said, “use the means at hand.” The sound indicates flight at low altitude. If there is early warning, then there will be results. These are posts for now.
    4. Irokez
      Irokez 13 September 2023 15: 35
      +5
      Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
      if you give the designers a good kick

      Let's kick you and the right thoughts and ideas will immediately appear.
      1. Vladimir Mikhalev
        Vladimir Mikhalev 13 September 2023 17: 26
        -1
        It's not just the designers who are to blame. For starters, you can’t hang up 24 missiles for a moment. So the planes missed it. Then the tactics to defuse air defense in the West were not developed today. The missiles were wasted on drones, the storms passed. That’s why he said that the air defense was asleep. Tomorrow a missile with nuclear weapons will come from a submarine and will also miss our defenses. Our people don’t want to work on these problems.
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 13 September 2023 21: 20
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir Mikhalev
          It's not just the designers who are to blame

          Having worked as a designer, I realized a long time ago that they (the designers) are the very first to be shot, because if something doesn’t work the first time, then they are the ones who are sent to the wall. And even when the machine has been working for several years and then suddenly breaks down (for some reason), they are again taken to be shot.
          You start to figure it out and see that the mechanic did something wrong and improved it himself, then the operator decided to test the strength of the machine or requires it to do something that it cannot, and often the management itself insists on reducing the cost which ruins the machine.
          Life is such that designers are always and everywhere lambs for scapegoating. And you put them there against the wall.
  16. ISKANDER_61
    ISKANDER_61 13 September 2023 12: 45
    -4
    You need to answer, not declare, citizen Shoigu
  17. avia12005
    avia12005 13 September 2023 12: 46
    -1
    So what next? Nothing. The list of red lines, concerns and outrages can grow endlessly.
  18. Feodor13
    Feodor13 13 September 2023 12: 48
    +4
    I remember they downvoted him for the version that planes and air-to-ground in Crimea and the fleet are Zelensky’s only option to receive delight from the West. He also proposed conducting a geographical assessment of the use of falcons from the point of view of the technical characteristics and NATO airfields. And even without this assessment, it is obvious: in the north-west of the Black Sea, with the appearance of falcons, it will be even hotter. The falcons are not needed for the ground unit; our Buks and other air defense systems are there, so each platoon is covered. But Crimea and the fleet, in conditions of diversion of forces to nonsense such as boats and small UAVs, become an attractive target for the enemy. Falcons are not for war; they are almost Zelensky’s only political and economic tool for continuing the war. And now - reconnaissance using the latest Sushki...
  19. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 13 September 2023 12: 50
    -8
    We can, we must
    destroy the TsPR of Nazi Ukraine: even if tactical nuclear weapons are used, not a single cat in NATO will dare to stand up.
    1. linux28
      linux28 13 September 2023 13: 10
      -4
      Nuclear weapons are not the only weapons of mass destruction. And by using it, we will automatically allow the enemy to also use weapons of mass destruction. It will no longer be possible to reproach and appeal to all people of good will.

      Phosgene, for example, is produced in industrial quantities throughout the world for peaceful purposes. But this is quite real phosgene, which can be used as an agent. Drones with cylinders will fly. Or the agents will be scattered in cities with a population of over a million. It’s just going to get colder soon, which is the perfect time to use phosgene. Do you need it?
      1. Victor Leningradets
        Victor Leningradets 13 September 2023 20: 42
        0
        And by using it, we will automatically allow the enemy to also use weapons of mass destruction. It will no longer be possible to reproach and appeal to all people of good will.

        Only idiots use weapons “in response.” Appealing to people of good will = tumbling before the journalistic fetish.
        The use of weapons of mass destruction is determined by military and political expediency. Well, we hit everyone’s favorite tactical nuclear weapons (for what purposes?) and how will we build on the success? How will we fend off a possible attack by the enemy and his allies?
        No, nuclear weapons are checkmate in a local conflict. The enemy's troops were defeated, the country was occupied, and the main enemy's retaliatory actions were blocked. But this requires a real General Staff and real commanders.
    2. Stalingrad2010
      Stalingrad2010 13 September 2023 13: 49
      -3
      Well, who will go up against Sarmat, Avangard, and Burevestnik? There are no fools there. We have dealt with one problem, but so far not very well with the second, since we allowed a protracted war without destroying the military and political elite of Ukraine at the beginning of the Northern Military District and without disorganizing its army. That is why the Army fights as it is allowed to.
  20. Bingo
    Bingo 13 September 2023 12: 51
    +2
    Very unlikely. Perhaps with the use - this is 1 missile out of 10 could be from an airplane, and most likely - aviation was used like this - Bayraktar flew near Odessa in the form of a repeater for sea drones
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 13 September 2023 13: 08
      0
      Why, the munchkin has been wiping himself off there for a long time, since August - I’ve been studying the schedule and so on
  21. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 September 2023 12: 54
    -1
    Earlier, the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, stated that the use of Western missiles outside the special operation zone would mean a full-fledged involvement of Great Britain and the United States in the armed conflict.
    recourse From the beginning there is the word “sadness and goodness”, but then that’s it! Otherwise it will seem like “liverwurst” for happiness. request
  22. Huarabey
    Huarabey 13 September 2023 12: 57
    +3
    They directly ask for the use of tactical nuclear weapons against them. There is a complete feeling that they want to provoke Russia into something like that.
    1. sergey_vakk
      sergey_vakk 13 September 2023 13: 03
      -2
      Not funny. Do you really think that this is possible with the current occupants in the Kremlin? The West has long understood this
      1. Huarabey
        Huarabey 13 September 2023 13: 34
        +3
        Nevertheless, it was precisely those “inmates in the Kremlin” who started the SVO. If we had little guts, we wouldn’t have started. I am sure that if there were opportunities to respond proportionately, they would respond. Apparently something is interfering. Perhaps our Strategic Missile Forces are not ready. And if in the West, as you say, they would have realized long ago that ours have little guts for anything serious, then what would stop them from using nuclear weapons? We, like, will swallow it anyway.
        1. sergey_vakk
          sergey_vakk 13 September 2023 19: 11
          +1
          They started their own because the Kremlin was convinced that the Armed Forces of Ukraine would immediately scatter and the people would come out to meet the liberators from the Nazis. Moreover, they were confident that the West would swallow. Whoever reported all this nonsense to the Kremlin is still sitting on their own, and one was even exchanged for leaders of Azov
        2. sergey_vakk
          sergey_vakk 13 September 2023 19: 12
          -2
          Why would they change anything???They are completely satisfied with everything so far
    2. linux28
      linux28 13 September 2023 13: 11
      0
      They want people's asses to burn here. And they succeed.
    3. Stalingrad2010
      Stalingrad2010 13 September 2023 13: 52
      +3
      So we will get there anyway. Or will we wait for it to be delivered to Bandera’s people if it hasn’t already been delivered?
      1. Huarabey
        Huarabey 13 September 2023 15: 03
        +2
        So maybe we should come to this when we, and not NATO, want? No?
  23. spirit
    spirit 13 September 2023 12: 59
    +3
    This blow is not just a slap in the face, it will push for the US transfer of ATACMS.
    1. chamberlain
      chamberlain 13 September 2023 13: 41
      -1
      Quote: spirit
      This blow is not just a slap in the face, it will push for the US transfer of ATACMS.

      This is what they hit along the way.. This is called forcing Russia to negotiate, since the Ukronatsik ends after the “counter-offensive”.. We’ll see!
      Russia cannot sign up for the “Minsk agreements” again.. It is necessary to ask for negotiations on everything that agrees.. And without Zelensky!
  24. Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. 13 September 2023 13: 03
    -2
    About the intelligence service MI6. Maybe Lavrova will be summoned by the British Ambassador, Zakharov will dance and express everything threateningly to the Ambassador, and then they will send him out of the country to deal with MI6.
    In such a situation, the British have nothing to do in Russia. In Romania, strike the British Air Force with similar weapons. soldier
    1. Soldatov V.
      Soldatov V. 13 September 2023 13: 53
      -4
      I want to add. Now that Ukraine has confirmed the full participation of England in the war between Ukraine and Russia, we have every right to shoot down all reconnaissance aircraft and UAVs of England and NATO around Russia and NATO countries close to the theater of military operations. soldier
      1. Escariot
        Escariot 13 September 2023 14: 24
        +1
        Quote: V.
        I want to add. Now that Ukraine has confirmed the full participation of England in the war between Ukraine and Russia, we have every right to shoot down all reconnaissance aircraft and UAVs of England and NATO around Russia and NATO countries close to the theater of military operations. soldier

        So they don’t fly close to the theater of military operations. Everything is much north of Crimea or above Romania.

        Or are you proposing to organize battles over the center of the Black Sea with the strongest alliance in the world?
    2. Oleg Ogorod
      Oleg Ogorod 13 September 2023 14: 18
      -1
      The Mi6 cannot direct missiles or coordinate military operations.
      These are spies and fight against spies.
  25. Serge
    Serge 13 September 2023 13: 05
    -4
    How many whiners screech and again the same thing, Putin has distanced himself, then Shoigu is not in the subject, then they don’t like it, then something else. At first everyone was virologists, now they have become commanders. And then they whine and whine. No, there is no one hundred percent air defense. Fed up with whiners.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 13 September 2023 13: 18
      +7
      Quote: SergiK
      How many whiners screech and again the same thing, Putin has distanced himself, then Shoigu is not in the subject, then they don’t like it, then something else. At first everyone was virologists, now they have become commanders. And then they whine and whine. No, there is no one hundred percent air defense. Fed up with whiners.

      How so?
      For ten years I have been reading on this site “not whiners, formidable bastards” - hat-throwers, about how powerful the multi-level, echeloned air defense in the Russian Federation is.
      Which will destroy all NATO aviation at once, and understands all missiles.
      But it's not like that.
      The “whiners” were right, it turns out.
      1. Huarabey
        Huarabey 13 September 2023 13: 36
        +3
        What, the war has already ended with the victory of Ukraine?
    2. Vladimir 290
      Vladimir 290 13 September 2023 13: 24
      +2
      It's a pity that I can only give one plus
    3. Huarabey
      Huarabey 13 September 2023 13: 36
      0
      This is all because every gopher in the field is an agronomist.
  26. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 13 September 2023 13: 06
    +4
    But our air defenses don’t see that their planes have taken off, and the MiG-31 can’t land them from the stratosphere?
    It seems to me that for the hell of it we can’t land the chubby aircraft
    1. tank_killer156
      tank_killer156 13 September 2023 13: 15
      -1
      IN VO, our radars are simply obliged to see them and shoot down the air defense.
      1. Barmaglot_07
        Barmaglot_07 14 September 2023 04: 45
        -3
        Quote from: tank_killer156
        IN VO, our radars are simply obliged to see them and shoot down the air defense.

        Obliged... And to whom, one wonders, are they obliged?
  27. Last centurion
    Last centurion 13 September 2023 13: 11
    -1
    The "Doves of Peace" are probably waiting for the F-16s and Atakms to arrive. Then we’ll definitely win with fewer losses? Well, yes... yah.

    As a good thing, now in response it is necessary to raze some Sumerian port to the ground. Just to have a port...and no port. It doesn’t matter whether it’s peaceful or not. To live with wolves...
  28. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 13 September 2023 13: 12
    -3
    Why is there not XNUMX-hour surveillance of enemy airfields?
    Drones have proven their effectiveness; we need an unmanned carrier of Lancets and other Clarinets in the stratosphere in order to observe for a long time, and if necessary, activate unmanned ammunition, it is desirable that there are ones that can compete with the aircraft - so as not to be shot down.
  29. tank_killer156
    tank_killer156 13 September 2023 13: 13
    +5
    Earlier, the head of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Sergei Shoigu, stated that the use of Western missiles outside the special operation zone would mean a full-fledged involvement of Great Britain and the United States in the armed conflict. Only Britain and the USA no longer seem to be trying to hide the fact that they have been actively participating in the conflict against Russia for a long time. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Well, let’s wipe ourselves off again, express concern and regrets, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, how many more of our guys should die, maybe it’s time to make a volcanic crater for show somewhere in the place of Lvov
  30. Volunteer Marek
    Volunteer Marek 13 September 2023 13: 17
    +2
    We continue to draw red lines with bloody snot.
    R.S. Hurray, patriots, what do you have to say? Everything goes according to plan?
    1. Uprun
      Uprun 13 September 2023 13: 24
      -4
      Go give up already, don’t torment your soul....................................
      1. Skobaristan
        Skobaristan 13 September 2023 13: 56
        +3
        If he gives up, then only to us). It's clear who it is
  31. Zamkadysh
    Zamkadysh 13 September 2023 13: 18
    -1
    There is an option, but it’s complicated. Make StormShadow launched from a Ukrainian plane fly “slightly” in the wrong direction. For example, at the NATO base in Romania. Or at the airfield in Rzeszow. There are so many wonderful places. And for starters, to say, “the supply of modernized Krasella (for example, Jaundice or Zolotukha) to the troops is beginning, which can knock missiles off course, but it is still slightly unfinished, and where they fly next, who the hell knows - they are yours. " This will be the answer. Don't thank me for the idea. The best gratitude will be the faces of these foreign generals and politicians when this happens. You just need to tear off their asses, turn on some heads, and try, of course.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 13 September 2023 13: 37
      -1
      Quote: Zamkadysh
      There is an option, but it’s complicated. Make StormShadow launched from a Ukrainian plane fly “slightly” in the wrong direction. For example, at the NATO base in Romania. Or at the airfield in Rzeszow. There are so many wonderful places. And for starters, to say, “the supply of modernized Krasella (for example, Jaundice or Zolotukha) to the troops is beginning, which can knock missiles off course, but it is still slightly unfinished, and where they fly next, who the hell knows - they are yours. " This will be the answer. Don't thank me for the idea. The best gratitude will be the faces of these foreign generals and politicians when this happens. You just need to tear off their asses, turn on some heads, and try, of course.

      Your rubella and scrofula only clog the radio communication channel, incl. with GPS, but Storms also have an inertial system, and a very cunning “video guidance” system. The radar and cameras scan the area over which it flies and compare it with a previously loaded map of the area. Well, at the terminal section before the attack, the target is compared with the observed object, and if the target is not detected, then the missile goes into the self-destruct area. Moreover, everything is autonomous, without the use of communication channels, which in theory is what beauty does
      1. Zamkadysh
        Zamkadysh 13 September 2023 15: 01
        0
        Rubella is not mine, if anything, but that’s not the point. Why, my friend, do you perceive information head-on? I hope there will be recipients who will perceive it in the right way... or in the right way.
        1. Escariot
          Escariot 13 September 2023 16: 16
          +1
          Quote: Zamkadysh
          Rubella is not mine, if anything, but that’s not the point. Why, my friend, do you perceive information head-on? I hope there will be recipients who will perceive it in the right way... or in the right way.

          You might as well suggest changing the terrain manually so that the optical guidance system cannot determine where to fly
          1. Zamkadysh
            Zamkadysh 13 September 2023 19: 15
            0
            I do not argue with theses about the difficulties of the technical aspect of solving the problem head-on. I agree with your arguments in this part, and I agreed with the previous points. Once again I see that you do not understand what I mean. Maybe that's good. For this, allow me to bow.
            Downvoters are the best sign that you don’t like the idea. This is amazing.
          2. Victor Leningradets
            Victor Leningradets 13 September 2023 20: 48
            0
            You might as well suggest changing the terrain manually so that the optical guidance system cannot determine where to fly

            Oddly enough, it worked in WWII. Moscow was sufficiently camouflaged that the Luftwaffe could not decide on its targets. so nets and balloons can give a certain chance.
    2. Barmaglot_07
      Barmaglot_07 14 September 2023 05: 46
      -1
      Quote: Zamkadysh
      There is an option, but it’s complicated. Make StormShadow launched from a Ukrainian plane fly “slightly” in the wrong direction. For example, at the NATO base in Romania. Or at the airfield in Rzeszow. There are so many wonderful places. And first of all, to say, “the supply of modernized Krasella (for example, Jaundice or Zolotukha) to the troops is beginning, which can knock missiles off course, but it is still slightly unfinished, and where they fly next, who the hell knows - they are yours. "

      And in response, exercises may take place somewhere in the Mediterranean, with the launch of a hundred or two tomahawks, which - quite by accident - will drown everything that is left of the Black Sea Fleet. The partners, at the same time, will throw up their hands - it is your jaundice-scrofula that is knocking the missiles off course, we have nothing to do with it, we are just having exercises, you should be careful there with your analogue networks.
  32. Olive1
    Olive1 13 September 2023 13: 25
    +3
    I read the comments. They brought it to the point that patriots hate them more than oppositionists
    1. Skobaristan
      Skobaristan 13 September 2023 13: 58
      0
      If the minus is “Crimean daughters of an officer”, then the results will surprise...how many angry patriots will remain in fact.
  33. Cronus
    Cronus 13 September 2023 13: 25
    -1
    It looks like the strip was bombed, some planes were destroyed, and the missiles are still flying and they have planes, what’s next? -(
  34. thrush68
    thrush68 13 September 2023 13: 27
    0
    The air defense worked as best they could. But the leading specialists will again bleat something useless. As long as there is no normal answer, it will be so.
  35. Alexey Lamonov
    Alexey Lamonov 13 September 2023 13: 42
    +1
    The guys missed it. Three pieces arrived. A submarine and a missile boat were damaged. 24 people were injured, two died.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 13 September 2023 15: 09
      +1
      Quote: Alexey Lamonov
      The guys missed it. Three pieces arrived. A submarine and a missile boat were damaged. 24 people were injured, two died.

      At the dock at that moment there were a Varshavyanka class submarine (they call it Rostov) and a Rapuga class large landing craft (they say Minsk). Tomorrow there will be satellite images, we will see what exactly was damaged.
    2. Escariot
      Escariot 13 September 2023 15: 19
      +6
      Quote: Alexey Lamonov
      The guys missed it. Three pieces arrived. A submarine and a missile boat were damaged. 24 people were injured, two died.

      You won't even need to wait for tomorrow. Crimeans are already sharing photos of the “damaged boat”. Most likely for scrap.
  36. Gentium1
    Gentium1 13 September 2023 13: 52
    0
    How did the air defense miss Ukrainian aviation in the sky?
    1. Oleg Ogorod
      Oleg Ogorod 13 September 2023 14: 29
      +6
      In order to track it, enemy aircraft taking off from airfields, A-50s must constantly fly along the borders from different directions. Constantly. And here we have enemy drones landing on A-50s standing on the ground. And we don’t have drones that fly along the borders all the time with radars. The equipment is too heavy for a drone to lift into the air.
      Therefore we suffer losses.
      But at the parades on Red Square everything was fine and beautiful.
  37. Dave36
    Dave36 13 September 2023 13: 53
    -1
    Why is everyone sure that the carrier is Su24... and not F16?
  38. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 13 September 2023 14: 39
    0
    We made it... to the point of "massive cruise missile strikes", of which a third reach their target.
    And these missiles are already flying 250 kilometers AT LEAST!
    My question is simple and the same for the last year and a half - when will Russia finally stop screwing around and wipe the Nazi pseudo-state of Ukraine from the face of the earth???
  39. JonnyT
    JonnyT 13 September 2023 15: 18
    0
    Everything is clear here - our wise leaders will simply try not to notice this sensitive slap in the face from their “Western partners”......

    PS. in fact, this blow does not change anything for Ukraine, it’s just another dirty trick from the Englishwoman.......
    do not give in to provocations - expanding the conflict is extremely unprofitable for us......

    Although I really want to long for the true culprits of this whole bloody tragedy, sitting overseas and rubbing their little hands
  40. DenVB
    DenVB 13 September 2023 15: 36
    +11
    Ukrainians need to be thanked. They show us at a low price what will happen if just one Ohio-class nuclear submarine launches its 154 Tomahawks from the Mediterranean Sea towards Sevastopol. In this case, the Black Sea Fleet will cease to exist. He is not able to defend himself, praise be to the Supreme Sultan and his vizier for military affairs.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 13 September 2023 16: 18
      +1
      Quote: DenVB
      Ukrainians need to be thanked. They show us at a low price what will happen if just one Ohio-class nuclear submarine launches its 154 Tomahawks from the Mediterranean Sea towards Sevastopol. In this case, the Black Sea Fleet will cease to exist. He is not able to defend himself, praise be to the Supreme Sultan and his vizier for military affairs.

      In truth, the Tomahawk is a much simpler target because it is not equipped with low-visibility elements.
    2. AVESSALOM
      AVESSALOM 13 September 2023 16: 35
      +2
      Yes, okay.) He recently broadcast that weapons are being screwed up using new physical principles.)) And in general everything is fine, any local fagot will say that.))
  41. Castro Ruiz
    Castro Ruiz 13 September 2023 16: 18
    +2
    While this was an airstrike, there were especially important questions regarding the operation of the S-400.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 13 September 2023 17: 05
      -1
      Quote: CastroRuiz
      While this was an airstrike, there were especially important questions regarding the operation of the S-400.

      It was a cruise missile strike. The cruise missile carrier is not important because it is located a hundred kilometers from the target. Well, this rocket flies low. The S-400, in principle, is not for such purposes, because it needs to see the target, which is greatly hampered by the horizon. What is needed here is a system of light air defense systems and even possibly anti-aircraft guns, but it didn’t work out.
  42. AVESSALOM
    AVESSALOM 13 September 2023 16: 32
    +6
    Everything about this news is wonderful. And the next update, and the very fact of a successful attack, and the work of Ukrainian aviation, despite the fact that it was destroyed and we have air superiority, and the bashful silence of figures who promised terrible punishments for such things.. And the most interesting thing is, This is a local security guard who once again explains from a manual that this is how it should be, that this is in the order of things.))
  43. aleks700
    aleks700 13 September 2023 17: 46
    +3
    Well, Shoigu said a lot of things. At least let the bridges fail. To start.
    And further. How many missiles will fly across the fleet tomorrow?
  44. AlexWar
    AlexWar 13 September 2023 18: 11
    0
    In general, one thing I don’t understand is why there are so many planes in Ukraine. Or did it still not arrive? Here again the planes were taking off, weren’t they even noticed, or is this another lie on the part of Ukraine?
    Another question is what’s wrong with our air defense again in Crimea, like in a combat zone. Are we sleeping or not?
    The situation requires measures and investigations. And why did small ships stop patrolling our borders with Ukraine? Well, at least boats with radar
    Why it is impossible to create boats with Pantsir S air defense is not clear. Let them be on duty at sea
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 13 September 2023 18: 45
      +1
      Quote from Alexwar

      Why it is impossible to create boats with Pantsir S air defense is not clear. Let them be on duty at sea

      Yes, it may be possible, but is it possible? According to open data, over 15 years of their production, approximately 250-300 pieces were produced (of which 120 are in service with the Russian Federation), which gives approximately 20 pieces of Armor per year. On one Dutch portal there is a photo of 19 lost Pantsyrs from the beginning of the Northern Military District. In principle, peacetime production should be enough to make up for losses, BUT (!) not all losses are recorded, there is natural wear and tear of systems, there is the construction of new air defense areas, and there are sanctions that interfere with production. Now, in addition to this, you also propose to put the Pantsyr on the boats. How many of them do you need? Well, let's say 3-5 pieces at sea. The same number are being prepared at the base. This is almost a six-month production of air defense missile data. Well, I don’t know whether it is physically possible to quickly produce this version of the system without compromising the defense of Moscow City. This time.
      2) Moving away from the shore, the boats themselves will become the target of attacks, which means they should not just be boats with Pantsyr, but independent combat units the size of a corvette. How many URO corvettes do we produce there per year?
  45. 89824024836
    89824024836 13 September 2023 18: 41
    -2
    It's time to turn out the lights. There is no difference: either Bandera’s followers or the Shavers shaved our military ship repair plant in Crimea. Waiting for anybody? To hit the electricity generating facilities in England, of which there are 50, with ordinary Iskanders and Daggers. And we have enough missiles for hyena geyropas and Baltic stink bugs. There are probably about 30 of them that need to be launched, just to put out the lights. We'll see what they do next. A clear stump, they will howl and whine in front of the mustachioed striped hegemon, imitating the inclusion of the 5th article. Well, so what, they’ve already got us without the fifth article. What difference does it make to us, since such a binge has begun to cut the last pie, the more the North Koreans and Chinese will push them on. Tell them the important news that a massive launch of cruise missiles or swarms of thousands of drones will be blocked by an electromagnetic pulse from a missile defense system with neutron warheads. Or maybe our military inventors have already jumped in and provided the S-400 SAM SAM EMP generators with the usual super-powerful source of energy. They bark, bark and press their ass, it’s not made of iron and they won’t fart with nuclear weapons, it’s more expensive for themselves. They will fight back with conventional missiles, but they will use them to destroy us. Waiting for anybody? It's time, my friend, it's time to kill the enemies from behind the hill.
  46. Cypa
    Cypa 13 September 2023 23: 50
    0
    British MI6 is involved here too, the British are interfering with Russia everywhere
  47. Eugene Zaboy
    Eugene Zaboy 14 September 2023 00: 57
    0
    In fact, Russia has a land border with Ukraine on both sides, and from the sea it can use the Navy and aviation. If we take this into account, then Ukraine can be completely controlled by radar, but aviation is still used by Ukraine. Ukraine is using aviation against the backdrop of Russia’s presence of satellite reconnaissance, AWACS aviation and naval reconnaissance. If all these components of intelligence work, then it is unclear why Ukrainian aviation exists and even takes off. There is some kind of contradiction in this.
  48. Etoya
    Etoya 14 September 2023 01: 39
    +1
    I don't see anything wrong with acting like Israel
  49. Sergei N 58912062
    Sergei N 58912062 14 September 2023 01: 58
    +1
    It would be great if our VKS would “joke” at Oleschuk.


  50. Anadyrean
    Anadyrean 14 September 2023 04: 29
    +2
    It would be better not to threaten the whole world, but to silently fuck. Yes, stronger. Otherwise we threaten and warn, but at the exit we stand on the line. Strike silently and firmly.