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Different destinies: a Jewish worker and events after 1968

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Different destinies: a Jewish worker and events after 1968
– Believe it or not, this is how it happened! – a still from the perky and cheerful 1961 film “Striped Flight”. It’s the same here, believe it or not, but all of the following took place in life



“I saw Raspela’s lover...
Imagine a simple worker.
Yes, a lousy worker, ugly, blond.
He was waiting for her at the entrance.”

Emile Zola "Lady's Happiness"

Memories and comparisons. Today we will talk about people of working professions that the author had the opportunity to encounter during all his 69 years of living. That is, these are nothing more than personal impressions. But in many ways they are indicative. After all, just as one can guess from a drop of water that there is an ocean somewhere, so is it reflected in the destinies of individual people story their countries. “Memories” is listed first in the subtitle, so that’s where we’ll start.

I met people of working professions as a child, because along Proletarskaya Street, where our old wooden house then stood, they streamed twice a day to the Frunze plant, and I usually always woke up in the summer to their stomping. The parents of my comrades were workers. But what did I know about them?

Victor’s father from the “carved house” was a worker, and I saw him in overalls, but I didn’t know who he worked for and where. No one saw him drunk, but he never talked about his work in front of us boys.

The father of the two Mulin brothers also worked at the factory, and also... nothing “like that” was noticed about him. But their family lived in such a shameful shack that it was simply terrible. And their grandmother actually slept on their chest. There was no room for another bed! So the fact that their father is a worker did not inspire me at all.

There was another friend of mine who lived on Mirskaya Street, a Jew by nationality, and his father was also a Jew, and he was also a worker. He walked around in overalls, and the whole street could see him. And what’s interesting is that when people saw this, they always said: “There goes the Jewish worker.” And it always sounded somehow... “like that,” not entirely approvingly. Only at school did I learn that this was the shortest joke in the USSR, but, again, I didn’t understand the meaning of it then. Well, Jew and Jew, well, worker and worker...

By the way, among my classmates at school there were also boys of Jewish nationality, but their fathers were either engineers or worked in institutes, like my mother, and no one was surprised by this.

And in the fifth grade I suddenly “failed” in my studies. In almost all subjects except history, geography and literature. Then, for some reason, many students began to study worse in the fifth grade. In addition, family supervision over me weakened, since at that time my mother was studying at graduate school at Moscow State University in Moscow and was only at home in the summer.

And so, returning once again and looking at my report card, she threw a scandal at me and said that if I studied like this, I would not enter the university, and I would not become a historian, like my mother, which I had already said more than once. And then I’ll go to the factory and become a worker!

By that time, I was already a sufficiently literate and socialized child to answer her: “And we are all equal!”

You should have seen how furious she became! “Everything, but not everything!” - she screamed. “And you will also work at a factory, you will have to wash your first paycheck, and they will force you to drink vodka. But you’re not used to drinking it, and you’ll become drunk, all vomited, you’ll come home like that, and I’ll... tear you away from my heart and drive you out of your home, and you’ll lie under the fence!”

I was not very afraid of being “expelled” from the house, because I knew that I was registered in it, and someone registered in it cannot be written out without his consent. But the words “all vomited” made an impression on me, since I was often sick and... let’s be honest, I was constantly vomiting during my illness, and it was very unpleasant.

And, obviously, she didn’t say this out of nowhere, it wasn’t her invention, this happened, and she knew about it. Moreover, my mother was born and raised on Proletarskaya Street!

So I took my mother’s words to heart, and by the 10th grade I excelled in all the subjects I needed. Well, except for mathematics, of course, which was not required to be taken to a humanities university. But even earlier, namely in 1968, everyone was talking about some kind of economic reform, and that it made the workers feel very good.

And it really was like that: the parents of my friends the Mulins were immediately given a three-room apartment in a new house, and their old shack was finished. Zhenya invited me to visit, I came and looked - it was a dream. All amenities, gas, bath, large windows, no firewood or stoves. Then I learned that workers began to receive 330 rubles from us, while candidates of sciences and associate professors received only 320... And they also began to pay some kind of “thirteenth salary”, bonuses, in a word, 50 years after the Great October Revolution their life finally got better.

Then there was another break in my contacts with the working class. Until 1982, when I started working at the institute, teaching the history of the CPSU, and immediately automatically became a lecturer of the CPSU RK, since since 1975 I had already been a lecturer at the OK Komsomol. After that, I had to give lectures in hairdressing salons, and at a bakery, and in production workshops, and on farms that smelled of cow urine. Wherever they send you, carry the word of the party to the masses.

I had to communicate mainly with party organizers and production managers, and this is what again caught my eye. They did not feel like members of the team subordinate to them. “They,” they said about the workers, and “we” about themselves, that is, they distanced themselves from them in a certain way. We are supposedly “fathers”, and these are “our children”. This is how this work left me feeling. But... since it was like that, then why not?

For party workers there was a separate canteen at the OK CPSU, a separate clinic (“special clinic”), only associate professors were assigned to it from university teachers, and with carpets, palm trees and exceptionally polite service.

And even then, after graduation, all school graduates, including the children of workers, for some reason were eager to go to university! It would seem - 330 rubles, the thirteenth salary, free trips to sanatoriums, at most 30 percent, but... Parents tried to push their children into higher education at any cost. Those parents whose children entered vocational schools were looked at with pity and... contempt. They politely said: “Ah-ah, I see!” – and tried to shift the conversation to a more pleasant topic.

And all this despite the fact that there were posters all around “Glory to the working man!”, newspapers, radio and TV constantly talked about labor successes, communist labor teams, advertised labor dynasties and many years of work in the same place with only two entries in the work book: “Accepted... Dismissed due to retirement”!

By the way, when after university I worked for three (and actually four) years in rural schools in our region, we, teachers, were required to teach children... well, four and five, but at the same time they did not have to leave the village for the city! You had to write down how many 10th grade students you graduated and how many of them remained in the village and how many left it. And if there was a lot left, and those who remained went to work as milkmaids and machine operators, then you were praised.

But if they left for the city, even to enroll in an agricultural technical school or university, then... they scolded us. They said that you are not educating your students enough. Although everyone understood that with excellent grades, the daughter of a teacher or secretary of a state farm office would not become a milkmaid. These children were called “teachers” and “office workers.” And trouble was for those teachers who had a lot of both in their class. That is, it was easy to work with them for a year. It was quite difficult to explain my “shortcomings” later.

But in general, working at a university, and then studying in graduate school, did not particularly affect me in terms of contacts with workers. Well, I gave them lectures regularly, and they liked my lectures, it was pleasant for me, but that’s all, actually.

True, in the new building where we got an apartment, I had a neighbor, a worker at a nearby bicycle factory. So, every Saturday he came home with... a bicycle and sold it either to acquaintances, or went with it to the “puzzle”.

Once I asked him “where did the machine come from,” and received a very revealing answer: “you are the owner, not the guest, at least take away a nail!” I didn’t tell him that a nail and a bicycle were different things, but I also didn’t try to find out where he got them from. He who knows less sleeps better.

And here, somewhere closer to the end of the 80s, a truly incredible incident happened at our department, directly related to the problem of compatibility of different social groups and the attitude towards people in working professions.

But this will be discussed next time.

To be continued ...
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  1. Bingo
    Bingo 16 September 2023 04: 15
    -12
    Well, by the way, yes, the author raised a topic that apologists for the “beautiful USSR of our past” blissfully do not know about)
    I will add that in addition to the despised caste of “vocational school students”, there were no less despised castes of “engineer” and “menees” laughing Which is also funny, because the last two are with a tower, but... Techies, so they are “dirty blood”, and menees are generally a dead-end branch of evolution wink
    That’s why the Union barked, “they are terribly far from the people,” or rather, in Brezhnev’s times, all this “glory to labor” remained only on the facades. What today’s champions of the USSR in general and communism in particular simply don’t know about
    1. alex neym_2
      alex neym_2 16 September 2023 06: 56
      +23
      The whole article is imbued with disgust towards working professions, but when you need to nail a shelf or change the gasket on a faucet, run to your drunkard neighbor Uncle Misha!
      1. kalibr
        16 September 2023 07: 34
        -9
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        The whole article is imbued with disgust towards blue-collar professions

        Neum! What a good nickname you have. But you are wrong, the disgust in her is only that which EXISTED AT THAT TIME. And this is truly amazing. But wait for the sequels. There will be a lot of interesting things there!
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty 16 September 2023 08: 15
          +19
          Vyacheslav hi division into castes, albeit conditionally, has always taken place. This is not news; now, for example, it literally catches your eye. After the collapse of the USSR, it became at least unprestigious to be a worker, I noticed this myself when my classmates rushed en masse across Europe to go to work or even for permanent residence. This is the fault of the authorities, their reluctance and inability to support that same working class, to help it with personnel, which literally catches the eye. Look how many workers the country's defense industry lacks. This is the result of that failed policy of liquidating vocational schools and liquidating industrial production! The country is at war and enterprises are fighting for every specialist! Truly, we don’t keep what we have; we cry when we lose it.
        2. ZloyCat
          ZloyCat 16 September 2023 09: 47
          +15
          "But you are wrong, the disgust in her is only that which EXISTED AT THAT TIME"
          Onv, if there was, it was only in the inflamed brain of such Shpakovskys
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 September 2023 11: 34
          +10
          Quote: kalibr
          But you are wrong, the disgust in her is only that which EXISTED AT THAT TIME.

          In rural areas, disgust towards profession and education was less than in the cities. Yes, everywhere, as you wrote, teachers forced children to stay in the village. I myself come from a village family, my father is a school director, my mother and my aunts are teachers. Every high school graduate from the village could enroll in a university or technical school, and whoever wanted to did so did. True, there was one BUT, until the beginning of the 80s, when the USSR had a “green” Soviet passport, which in rural areas was not issued at the age of 16 (in the RSFSR for sure). When I entered VMU, I only had a certificate from the village council, and after admission, having received a certificate of enrollment, I received a passport at my place of residence in the Smolensk region. Those who did not enter educational institutions remained in the village, even those who served in the SA, after demobilization, returned to their village. (If you did not sign up for the Komsomol construction in the SA, in Ust Ilim or in the virgin lands), almost all those who graduated pedagogical institute, they sent me to work in their region, of my classmates from the pedagogical institute, all ended up in the village, with the exception of one poet who ended up in Arkhangelsk. Many graduated from agricultural universities with a referral from a collective farm or state farm, but they additionally had a scholarship from the collective farm and many village children went, for them village life was their own, native, and the city was alien to us, it was difficult to get used to it, so our guys went with pleasure to military schools, everything was more familiar there - work, adversity and brotherhood.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 16 September 2023 14: 49
            +12
            True, there was one BUT, until the beginning of the 80s, when the USSR had a “green” Soviet passport, which in rural areas was not issued at the age of 16 (in the RSFSR for sure)
            Khaki-colored passports were available until 1976; it was after this year that the exchange of passports for a new type began. I received a new passport in 1978 after graduating from Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, since the previous one had a temporary residence permit in the Moscow region for the duration of my studies.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 September 2023 15: 21
              +2
              Quote: Aviator_
              I received a new passport in 1978 after graduating from Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, since the previous one had a temporary residence permit in the Moscow region for the duration of my studies.

              Moscow, as always, received it ahead of everyone, and the outback later, the union republics received it in the early 80s, I received a new passport only in 82.
              1. Des
                Des 16 September 2023 18: 15
                +4
                In 1979 I received a passport in the Urals without any problems).
              2. Richard
                Richard 16 September 2023 19: 12
                +5
                I received my first passport only in 2008 - I was called up for urgent work based on a certificate from the village council, after the emergency I was sent by SAPO to the VPVPKU named after. Voroshilov, after graduation he returned to his PO as an officer. For twenty-eight years I got along just fine without a passport. smile
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 16 September 2023 19: 33
                  +5
                  This is understandable; military personnel are not required to have a passport. As a civilian, I managed to live for 2 years without a passport.
                  My compliments, Dmitry!
                  1. Richard
                    Richard 16 September 2023 20: 05
                    +3
                    My compliments, Dmitry!

                    Alaverdi, Anton!
            2. man
              man 16 September 2023 20: 21
              +1
              Quote: Aviator_
              True, there was one BUT, until the beginning of the 80s, when the USSR had a “green” Soviet passport, which in rural areas was not issued at the age of 16 (in the RSFSR for sure)
              Khaki-colored passports were available until 1976; it was after this year that the exchange of passports for a new type began. I received a new passport in 1978 after graduating from Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, since the previous one had a temporary residence permit in the Moscow region for the duration of my studies.

              after closure rural school to enroll in physics and technology...you, my friend, are talented. Bravo! hi Since you're an aviator, does that mean you've finished FALT? Was there an interview then?
        4. your vsr 66-67
          your vsr 66-67 16 September 2023 17: 28
          +9
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: aleks neym_2
          The whole article is imbued with disgust towards blue-collar professions

          Neum! What a good nickname you have. But you are wrong, the disgust in her is only that which EXISTED AT THAT TIME. And this is truly amazing. But wait for the sequels. There will be a lot of interesting things there!

          Ugh, at least don’t read this Shpakovsky!
          It's such a blizzard! And whose mill does the water go to?
          This article is probably forced in contrast to the article about J.V. Stalin!
      2. Richard
        Richard 16 September 2023 21: 14
        +4
        the shortest joke in the USSR: “a Jewish worker. Well, a Jew and a Jew, well, a worker and a worker.”

        So where is there to laugh? Stupid and disgusting joke. You might think that only university teachers, bankers and dentists live in Birobidzhan.
    2. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 16 September 2023 07: 07
      +12
      Yeah, the author is disgusted with people below him in rank... I’m not even talking about “changing shoes in the air”... About rural schools now, in Shpakovsky’s “bright time.” Everything is built on nepotism.
      1. Bingo
        Bingo 16 September 2023 07: 55
        -2
        Both of you are dead wrong. Shpakovsky correctly wrote above that he was describing what existed at that time. I’ll add to myself that first I was a vocational school student, after 10th grade, then, after university, an engineer-MNS))) I also know a little)))
        1. ZloyCat
          ZloyCat 16 September 2023 09: 53
          +9
          "Shpakovsky correctly wrote above that he was describing what existed at that time"
          then it was only among such Shpakovskys, parasitic on the country
          1. Bingo
            Bingo 16 September 2023 10: 42
            -4
            Quote: ZloyKot
            then it was only among such Shpakovskys, parasitic on the country

            1. Fedot
              Fedot 20 September 2023 22: 34
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              Fedot 21 September 2023 02: 10
              0
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    3. paul3390
      paul3390 16 September 2023 07: 55
      +20
      about which apologists of the “beautiful USSR of our past” blissfully do not know)

      Well, of course, they don’t know where we’re going.. Although I personally, when I was young, worked as a CNC operator for 6 years at my native Kirov plant, and I can say one thing. I have never seen ANYTHING of what the author described. Moreover, the people with whom I worked really felt like a hegemon, and behaved accordingly. Putting any boss, from the shop floor to the party, in the pose of a drinking deer. And frankly looking down on the white-collar types. My hillock - in fact, in public, he could have sent the head of tank production or the party organizer of the plant when they came up with some kind of crap. Regarding the difference in salaries, I’m generally silent - there was a queue of engineers who wanted to transfer to workers! Because the money was solid, plus not shabby social benefits...

      When my native factory sent me to study at the Polytechnic University, the teachers at first were always interested in where such a greyhound student came from. And learning that they were understandingly pulling from Kirza - ahhhh, then it’s clear... Hegemon. This one respects himself, and he definitely won’t let him drive you around like a greenhorn.

      This is how different our lives were in the Soviet Union...
      1. ZloyCat
        ZloyCat 16 September 2023 09: 56
        +7
        “It turns out that our life was so different in the Soviet Union..”
        that’s right, only we built this life, and the Shpakovskys stupidly devoured the results of our labor laughing
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 16 September 2023 10: 05
        +6
        Quote: paul3390
        .... personally, when I was young, I worked as a CNC operator for 6 years at my native Kirov plant, and I can say one thing. I have never seen ANYTHING of what the author described. .....

        good + + + + + + +! Yeah, that's who you are!!! hi Glad, sincerely glad! St. Petersburg is a small city, I am convinced of this more and more often.
        When I started working at the beginning of the century, our company was located in the business center of the Kirov plant. It is clear that we had nothing to do with the plant itself. But they submitted their forms to the plant personnel. And on the pass it was written --- "Kirov Plant"! Several times we had excursions to workshops that were located not far from that entrance, on Stachek Avenue. good I was impressed by the workshops and what I saw there. A few years ago, I drove past the Kirov plant from the port, and was glad to see the Soviet orders and the bust of Lenin!
        In general, I see Soviet symbols and busts of Lenin at the entrance at the non-main entrances of various factories! Glad they saved it.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 16 September 2023 10: 13
          +7
          Almost colleagues... hi

          This is not a small town, it seems like fate is trying to bring thinking people together.. drinks

          And I still have the pass to my native plant in my drawer; I brazenly stole it as a souvenir when I left to study... And it lies next to my passport as a citizen of the Soviet Union. Which I also kind of lost during the exchange. It’s not like they either took him away or barbarously cut him up with scissors, the Herods...
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 16 September 2023 13: 05
            +4
            drinks I love the Kirov region for its revolutionary proletarian history. It has always been a proletarian area. It was not affected by the vile renamings that took place in the 90s.
            I like that the plant has a Palace of Culture named after. I. I. Gases. There are a lot of different clubs and activities there STILL!
            .........The company where I worked later moved to the center. They gave me the pass, but they tore off the photo. And USSR passports to my relatives like They returned them, they wrote statements. But they were just empty covers.
            ...Herods.... am am
            That's what!
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 16 September 2023 14: 53
              +5
              And the USSR passports were returned to my relatives, they wrote applications.
              Dmiry, it was necessary to write statements about the loss, then it would have been preserved like a relic. True, it was necessary to pay a fine of 50 rubles. That's exactly what I did.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 16 September 2023 15: 40
                +2
                Quote: Aviator_
                ..... it was necessary to write statements about the loss, then it would have been preserved like a relic. ....

                Grandma may not have known this. recourse And I already received a passport in Russia
      3. kalibr
        16 September 2023 17: 43
        +4
        Quote: paul3390
        CNC operator

        Now in Penza, operators of CNC machines are required, salaries from 60 to 110 thousand from the class, and carousel operators - 60-100.
        1. Bingo
          Bingo 17 September 2023 17: 45
          0
          Should I tell you where cable men and signalmen are needed, they can pull cables stupidly, without experience, we’ll train them, without experience, we’ll get approvals? Salary FROM 120 tr, if in Moscow, but if you are ready for business trips and can work solo, let’s check - then multiply it by at least one and a half? Fizukha, in fact, brains are not really needed... But we are sewing up - there are not enough people!
      4. avia12005
        avia12005 16 September 2023 19: 40
        +7
        Some considered themselves “intelligentsia,” and some were. Dad, a front-line soldier, 7 years of conscript service from 1943 to 1950, graduated from the Polytechnic Institute in Kharkov, was first a deputy shop manager, then a foundry shop manager at the Svet Shakhtyora plant. My entire childhood was spent in the foundry, where my dad took me. And there was real friendship between the ITS and the workers. We worked together, celebrated together, invented something for production together. So everyone sees what they want to see. Shpakovsky sees it this way, and I see it like this)))
    4. vovochkarzhevsky
      vovochkarzhevsky 16 September 2023 09: 40
      +9
      I’ll add that in addition to the despised caste of “vocational school students”, there were no less despised castes “engineer” and “menees” laughing Which is also funny, because the last two are with a tower, but... Technicians, so - “dirty blood”, and Meneses are generally a dead-end branch of evolution.


      You probably weren’t told that engineers and the Ministry of Taxes had career growth. In addition, the salary of even a low-level engineer depended on the plant, length of service and other factors.
      And the same vocational school student, if desired, could continue his studies at a technical school or institute. The main thing is the desire to learn and change your life. And if this desire was not there, then alas.
      I had a chance to hear at one time - you just came as a lieutenant and get twice as much as me.
      To the objection - what stopped you from entering a military school - the answer is - what, put four or five years of youth into boots!
    5. ZloyCat
      ZloyCat 16 September 2023 09: 43
      +6
      “in Brezhnev’s times, all this “glory to labor” remained only on the facades”
      How do you know this? it seems that in those days you were a colleague of Shpakovsky
    6. knn54
      knn54 16 September 2023 19: 59
      +4
      Do you have "Pravda"? There is no truth. And "Russia"? Sold. There is Labor for 3 kopecks. And Hooter
      The pun is “not a Jewish worker”, but a “Jewish janitor”.
      In those days, it was easier for a worker than for an engineer to become a member of the CPSU.
      And the USSR was destroyed, first of all, by the “liberated” secretaries of the party committees and Komsomol committees.
      And death like that for a functionary meant exclusion from the ranks of the CPSU.
      By the way, let’s not confuse drunkards and drunks. The latter drank even when they didn’t want to.
      As a contemporary of the author, I will note the beginning of the decline of culture and morality, which again was one of the reasons for the collapse of the great Power.
    7. Hariton
      Hariton 16 September 2023 21: 04
      0
      I don’t remember that anyone openly despised vocational school students. They rather regretted it.
      Maybe quietly in the closet?
      An open display of contempt would be guaranteed to get you ragged. In addition, they already received a scholarship, a uniform and lived more freely.
  2. Radikal
    Radikal 16 September 2023 04: 26
    +14
    “But this will be discussed next time.”
    Well, we are patient hard workers, we will wait for the continuation of the stories of the newly-minted...Solzhenitsyn.
    Your Excellency - will you allow me to answer later, when you deign to continue your conclusions? Well, we are so bored that we don’t even go to bed - we want to read and listen to Vitya from Penza... . Or maybe not from Penza anymore? Mein god - probably from...Tver. No? From Tula - the governor there is our man. bully So where will the most important author of VO live? I could answer, but let this character say it himself, or is this a great secret? bully
    1. dmi.pris1
      dmi.pris1 16 September 2023 07: 10
      0
      The character was awarded the Order of the English Crown... Does this mean something to you?
      1. kalibr
        16 September 2023 07: 30
        0
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        The character was awarded the Order of the English Crown

        Are you talking about whom?
    2. kalibr
      16 September 2023 07: 19
      +4
      Strange! Just recently there was material with photos from today’s Penza. Haven't you read it? That's where I live. I've been living for a long time, I'm already used to it. I know everyone and they know me. Comfortable. Why did you get the idea to send me to Tver?
      1. Bingo
        Bingo 16 September 2023 08: 10
        -5
        Vyacheslav, forgive me, but I’ll kick you too. What the hell? So you complained that they were reacting to “skiy”. Well, yes, they react, you don’t have to go far, for example, I’m here, and then I wrote to you about this topic. It is YOU who have gotten it into your head that Kola is a Pole/Jew, and this is bad and even gray... You know, you cherish the offense.
        The same thing here - you wrote the truth. Are you surprised that many people don’t know this? I'm so disappointed - if everyone knew, you would have nothing to write about. On this topic, at least. Well, a tub of slop from those who don’t know... But maybe someone will at least think about it, try to watch the same film “Garage”.. “Who is she? - Yes, so... MNS” Or at least “Mimino” - “You and she are not two pairs of boots,” what is the whole film about? Pepelats dragging to the outskirts is not an international airline at all, but this is perhaps what I made even more difficult for the apologists of the “Beautiful USSR” to understand.
        PEACE: Critics. think about one thing - Shpakovsky and I, a sinner, lived in the Union. We can say. Are you sure. Do we have anything to object to? I don’t believe in the area, don’t you insult the willows and the shrine?
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 16 September 2023 08: 20
          +7
          Quote from Bingo
          So you complained that they were reacting to “skiy”.

          Vyacheslav wrote openly here a couple of weeks ago that among his ancestors there were Poles, and not some psya krev (my expression, not Vyacheslav’s), but the heraldic nobility. I even posted a picture of the coat of arms.
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 16 September 2023 08: 54
            +11
            As Shpakovsky previously wrote, this is the surname of his stepfather. That is, to some kind of coat of arms, if it exists somewhere, then its relationship is very indirect.
            Shpak is a gray starling. Somehow I can’t believe that this is a noble surname.
            Shpak is also a disparaging name for a non-military person in Russia.
            Choose.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 16 September 2023 09: 06
              +3
              Quote: ee2100
              Shpak is a gray starling. Somehow I can’t believe that this is a noble surname.

              That's right, there was a starling in the coat of arms.
              1. ZloyCat
                ZloyCat 16 September 2023 11: 13
                -1
                "That's right, there was a starling in the coat of arms"
                Actually, a shpak is a sparrow. and not even close to any starlings
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 16 September 2023 16: 04
                  +3
                  In some areas, sparrows are also called that way. It's there
            2. Richard
              Richard 16 September 2023 19: 53
              +2
              Shpak is also a disparaging name for a non-military man in pre-revolutionary Russia.

              Not quite like that, Alexander. Then three types of nobles were distinguished: the serving nobility, the nobles, and the so-called newcomers. - "Polish".
              The first two categories of service (be it army, navy, or civilian) had no restrictions. But among the “Polish nobility” (and these are not only Poles, but also “newcomers” nobles from those places that at that time were considered unstable provinces - Poland, Belarus, Bessarabia, Western Ukraine, etc.), especially after the Polish uprising, they had career restrictions in the so-called. "special fifth point." These were the ones called “shpaks”. And the military then called civilians not “shpak”, but “shtafirka”.
            3. Bingo
              Bingo 17 September 2023 17: 16
              -2
              Quote: ee2100
              Shpak is also a disparaging name for a non-military person in Russia.

              I remember I had an acquaintance, an Airborne Forcesman, his last name was Shpak. You should have seen how I mocked him))) He’s already dead, alas, and by the way, Shpak was more similar to Shkafa. But who can stop him from making fun of the fact that Shpak is big - he just falls louder) Well, he shouldn’t have entered the ring with reconnaissance, in wrestling he would have broken me, but in boxing)))
          2. Bingo
            Bingo 16 September 2023 09: 17
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Vyacheslav wrote openly here a couple of weeks ago that among his ancestors there were Poles, and not some psya krev (my expression, not Vyacheslav’s), but the heraldic nobility.

            Now I’m going to go kick my best friend. He is from the Sokolskys (if you know here ay min), I am from the Khokhlovs, the uninherited nobility was given to my ancestor for that. that on the Borodino field, riding on the back of a French general, he rode into our camp (the Zolotovs are all crazy). Here is my best friend - a Pole, from the lords, border troops, class - second, for what they give - how - no one knows? Well, let's kick him, but I'll stand next to him and see who drops who
            1. ZloyCat
              ZloyCat 17 September 2023 10: 50
              -2
              "on the Borodino field, riding on the back of a French general, he rode to our location"
              How, I remember, there was such a case, Gogol described it in detail in the evenings on a farm near Dikanka laughing. Damn, another myth-maker, purely Shpakovsky
              1. Bingo
                Bingo 17 September 2023 17: 19
                0
                Sorry, you idiot, the case is documented, Ivan Zolotov galloped up. Precisely riding on the French general - TsAMO archive
                1. ZloyCat
                  ZloyCat 18 September 2023 09: 35
                  0
                  "Sorry, you idiot, the case is documented"
                  Well, first of all, I’m hearing from an idiot
                  secondly, can you provide a link to this jockey?
                  1. Bingo
                    Bingo 19 September 2023 01: 52
                    -1
                    Well, secondly. TsAMO archive... There will be no link, the number of the archival document can be found) But you are exactly what I called you - look for links. Exiled settlers are on your way. And the book:

                    Fyodor Mikhalych was not an idiot, schizophrenia...
                    1. ZloyCat
                      ZloyCat 20 September 2023 09: 32
                      0
                      “Well, and secondly, the TsAMO archive.”
                      Well, that is, there is no link, and all your words about the great ancestor, who rode exclusively on the backs of French generals, are simply blah blah blah. and Zolotov, Zolotov..., are you perhaps a relative of the Ataman of the National Guard?
                      “Fyodor Mikhalych was not an idiot, he was schizophrenic...”
                      So you also have schizophrenia? you see how the harmful habit of our ancestors to ride on French generals affects the health of their descendants laughing . Yes, only a schizophrenic could invent such a thing
          3. Silhouette
            Silhouette 16 September 2023 09: 20
            +4
            Quote: Nagan
            Vyacheslav wrote here openly a couple of weeks ago that among his ancestors there were Poles,

            I noticed that for some reason everyone who declared their Polish ancestors sooner or later turned out to be Jews.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 16 September 2023 09: 29
              +1
              Quote: Silhouette
              I noticed that for some reason everyone who declared their Polish ancestors sooner or later turned out to be Jews.

              Excuse me, are you a Nazi? Will you be measuring skulls?
              1. Silhouette
                Silhouette 16 September 2023 11: 08
                +2
                Quote: Nagan
                Excuse me, are you a Nazi? Will you be measuring skulls?

                Measure Chubais's skull if you wish.
            2. Richard
              Richard 16 September 2023 20: 14
              +1
              I noticed that for some reason everyone who declared their Polish ancestors sooner or later turned out to be Jews.

              I highly doubt it. Considering the rabid anti-Semitism of the Poles and their pathological penchant for pogroms, not a single normal Jew will declare his Polish ancestors.
              1. Silhouette
                Silhouette 16 September 2023 20: 38
                +1
                They say this not in Poland, but in Russia. You're not very good at logic. Hence the doubts.
              2. ZloyCat
                ZloyCat 17 September 2023 09: 45
                0
                "Not one normal Jew will claim his Polish ancestors."

                "a normal person won't, but a smart person will" laughing
        2. kalibr
          16 September 2023 15: 00
          0
          Quote from Bingo
          You know, you are nursing a grudge.

          What are you, what grievances. Just work. You need to answer in such a way that people are interested in answering you. Write what is expected of you. The foundation of online journalism.
          1. 27091965
            27091965 16 September 2023 20: 19
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            Write what is expected of you. The foundation of online journalism.

            Once upon a time, when describing the events in Spain and presenting Francoism as a completely normal phenomenon, you wrote, in response to criticism, that it was necessary to help VO in difficult times. I wonder who is going through a difficult time right now?
            1. kalibr
              16 September 2023 21: 06
              0
              Quote: 27091965i
              I wonder who is going through a difficult time right now?

              And me too....
              1. Bingo
                Bingo 17 September 2023 17: 21
                0
                Were times ever easy? You, an elderly man. will you name it?
                1. 27091965
                  27091965 17 September 2023 21: 20
                  +2
                  Quote from Bingo
                  Were times ever easy? You, an elderly man. will you name it?

                  Soviet times, and as for my comment, the author is an intelligent person and I think he understood what I wrote about. Although he tried to get rid of it with a joke.
  3. Radikal
    Radikal 16 September 2023 05: 05
    +11
    Well, seriously, Shpakovsky’s articles are rotten, he fully understands this, he completes the task, and probably for money... . Many central media are considering or discussing the issue of creating a SMERSH body, suggesting a structure that was created during the Second World War. Nowadays, in the Russian Federation you can create anything - even SMERSH, even a club of Pique Vests... . By the way, these clubs exist on all central TV channels. Pimanov's "Zvezda" especially stands out. It would seem that the founder of the Ministry of Defense is a serious organization, but the Open Studio program is exactly reminiscent of the shop described by Ilf and Petrov in their novel The Golden Calf. What else to say? And nothing but a bad feeling, a feeling that everything is rotten everywhere, and at all levels. And this is not a feeling, this is specific information... . Shpakovsky is probably celebrating his victory; he has had it permanently since 1991. Or maybe earlier - since 1985? Most likely... But it doesn't matter. I am always guided by simple, succinct verses:
    - We all live in the era of glasnost...
    - Believe me, comrade, it will pass...
    -And the State Security Committee will write down/remember these names... .
    1. kalibr
      16 September 2023 07: 26
      +2
      Quote: Radikal
      -And the State Security Committee will write down/remember these names... .

      The young men's hopes are high! Are you a young man? The KGB was there in 1991 and didn’t lift a finger...
      1. Silhouette
        Silhouette 16 September 2023 09: 22
        +6
        Quote: kalibr
        The KGB was there in 1991 and didn’t lift a finger...

        The KGB organized all this. Without him, there would have been no collapse of the Union. Wasn’t it this office that sent Chubais and Co. (all these Avens, Friedmans, etc.) to study in Vienna?
    2. kalibr
      16 September 2023 07: 29
      +6
      Quote: Radikal
      and probably for money.

      Yes, VO employees are paid fees!
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 16 September 2023 08: 48
      +1
      Quote: Radikal
      I am always guided by simple, succinct verses:
      - We all live in the era of glasnost...
      - Believe me, comrade, it will pass...
      -And the State Security Committee will write down/remember these names... .

      And you, a former comrade, and now, I suppose, Mr. Radical, wrote this for the sake of, excuse me, what?
    4. bk0010
      bk0010 16 September 2023 12: 19
      +6
      Quote: Radikal
      Many central media are considering or discussing the issue of creating a body called SMERSH, suggesting a structure that was created during the Second World War.
      Oh my God, they're looking at the media! And what? And even if they create it, the newly-minted SMERSH will crap just like all our special services now, because the name alone is not enough for success, and there is nowhere to get other personnel.
  4. ee2100
    ee2100 16 September 2023 05: 38
    +18
    The author describes a very interesting time in the history of our country, but his view of the processes taking place in the country is the view of a third-generation intellectual from under the Penza plinth.
    The locomotive, which was “flying forward” in the late 60s and early 70s, slowed down and the switchmen moved it to the path that had led it to a dead end.
    And dividing society into workers and future historians is the view of a typical petty bourgeois. Which VOSH remains to this day.
    1. kalibr
      16 September 2023 07: 28
      -3
      Quote: ee2100
      The author describes a very interesting time in the history of our country, but his view of the processes taking place in the country is the view of a third-generation intellectual from under the Penza plinth.

      This is precisely their value, Alexander. Everything is described as it was and as it was seen by a person of a certain circle and upbringing.
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 16 September 2023 08: 17
        +14
        An article not by a historian, but by an ordinary person discussing the negativity that existed in Brezhnev’s times.
        The neighbor was stealing bicycles!
        Have you tried writing a statement? Or did the Komsomol-party conscience not allow it? Mother was definitely a communist.
        China has successfully overcome this turning point in socialism, which probably happens to all countries that have chosen this path of development. The USSR couldn't.
        M. Bulgakov, in the words of Woland, long ago characterized the socialist society of the USSR:
        “Well,” he responded thoughtfully, “they are people like people.
        They love money, but it has always been... Humanity loves money, from what
        no matter whether they are made of leather, paper, bronze or gold.
        Well, they are frivolous... well, well... and mercy sometimes knocks on their door
        hearts... ordinary people... in general, they resemble the old ones... apartment
        the question only spoiled them... "(c)
        The leadership of the late USSR probably did not read his books.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 16 September 2023 19: 34
          0
          Quote: ee2100
          in the words of Woland, he long ago characterized the socialist society of the USSR:

          Woland was Satan, and he had nothing to do with either socialism or capitalism, just like the USSR, he gave a general description of man.
          Quote: ee2100
          The leadership of the late USSR probably did not read his books

          It was not possible to create a new person; with each decade of Soviet power, there were fewer and fewer people willing to work for pennies on the construction sites of communism.
          1. Richard
            Richard 16 September 2023 20: 45
            +4
            There were fewer and fewer people willing to work for pennies on the construction sites of communism

            For pennies?? stop
            My friend and classmate from a poor family, after graduating from our rural school, went to BAM as a laborer. At first I received 250 rubles. plus local coefficient. Two years later he became a foreman - the salary was already 400 rubles. Three years later, I received the obligatory “BAM target check” for the purchase of a car, the cost of which was paid in installments over five years. In another two years, the same target check, but “for the purchase or construction of housing.” Grandma wrote to me: “Sanka returned home with money, dressed to the nines - in everything imported, he built a large house with a garage, furnished it with furniture, bought a Romanian wall, serves in the district executive committee, he himself has a car - the first groom in our village.”
          2. ZloyCat
            ZloyCat 17 September 2023 09: 50
            0
            “There were fewer and fewer people willing to work for pennies on the construction sites of communism.”
            but they paid more and more. Compare, for example, Dneproges and Bam. both are construction sites of communism
  5. north 2
    north 2 16 September 2023 05: 47
    +13
    I have an ambivalent impression from reading the article. Firstly, the author took into account the comments in the comments under his previous article from the series “Different Fates” that it is not good not to name the name of the person or people whom you hate, but about whom you specifically speak out publicly.
    Then there was a woman classmate whom the author hated all his life and gloated that her life was not successful, and she was also ugly... But he did not mention her last name. And in today’s article, speaking about people whom the author’s family and the author himself hated and hate, the author already tells us their names. Of course, if no one saw the worker Mulin drunk, then this only, according to the mother of the author of the article, explains the fact that the father of the two Mulin brothers is a trained worker who has a strong drink but is not drunk, and that at work all the workers drink vodka and They walk around there vomited, because not everyone is as trained to drink strong as Mulin. And Shpakovsky will also be sick if he goes to work! The Shpakovsky family must hate the workers so much...! So the author is certainly progressing in ethics, since he has already begun to name the names of those whom he hates.
    Secondly, I agree with the author that in the USSR many people went to universities and graduated from them who, having entered a vocational school and graduated from a vocational school, would have brought the country a hundred times more benefit from the milking machine of cows, from the levers in the tractor cabin or from the lathe. By the way, it was they who, after graduating from university, hated the workers the most...
    1. Lynx2000
      Lynx2000 16 September 2023 07: 19
      +7
      Quote: North 2

      Secondly, I agree with the author that in the USSR many people went to universities and graduated from them who, having entered a vocational school and graduated from a vocational school, would have brought the country a hundred times more benefit from the milking machine of cows, from the levers in the tractor cabin or from the lathe. By the way, it was they who, after graduating from university, hated the workers the most...

      I don't agree with you on this part. Regarding the “children of hereditary intellectuals”, using the example of the Author’s classmate (I found it on purpose and read the article), I believe that if a person was raised by a “rukopop”, he will raise his offspring as such.
      Regarding the intelligentsia, I think it is normal for a man to hammer a nail into a wall and build a house. Finishing school in the urban settlement. (returned from the Far East) in the mid-90s, history and geography were taught to us by two hereditary intellectuals, the historian after teaching served in '87-89 as the commander of an MSV (motorized rifle platoon), knew how to operate BMP1/2, BTR-70, working at school, received a loan, built a house for himself, started an apiary from five purchased bee colonies, got a cow, and fed the children. The second geographer was a “manufacturer”, he also received a loan, it took him 5 years to build a house, high school students helped to build (receiving money) as work, they got mad in his classes, there was no discipline, he liked to disappear fishing. He raised his two sons to be wimps.
      Those who after university were neither fish nor fowl, even after vocational school/vocational school nothing good would have come of them, either they would have destroyed their equipment, or their animals, or they would have caused self-harm. Yes
      They wouldn't be of any use.
    2. kalibr
      16 September 2023 07: 24
      -2
      Quote: north 2
      who he hates.

      You are confusing something, my dear. Why would I hate my street friends and their parents? I took them for granted. You don’t hate the fence where you tore your pants, it happens. So it is here. We lived, grew up, played together. What kind of hatred can there be?
    3. kalibr
      16 September 2023 07: 56
      -7
      Quote: north 2
      So the author is certainly progressing in ethics, since he has already begun to name the names of those whom he hates.

      You misunderstand the principles of ethics and the journalistic profession. Therefore, there is no need to write “progresses in ethics.” People will laugh at you.
  6. bober1982
    bober1982 16 September 2023 06: 17
    +5
    What’s interesting is that right now blue-collar jobs are treated with reverence and respect, those who know how to do something with their own hands, especially if these hands are qualified and the pay for such work is high.
    In my opinion, one of the reasons for the collapse of the Union was lies about the greatness of the working man and other propaganda. And, Soviet vocational schools (“heel”, “pheasant”), it was something unimaginable.
    1. kalibr
      16 September 2023 07: 25
      0
      Quote: bober1982
      What’s interesting is that right now blue-collar jobs are treated with reverence and respect.

      This will be discussed in future articles!
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 16 September 2023 12: 21
      +3
      Quote: bober1982
      if these hands are qualified, and the pay for such work is high.
      Judging by the articles about the situation at VAZ, no, not high.
    3. ANB
      ANB 16 September 2023 20: 48
      0
      . interesting, right now blue-collar jobs are treated with reverence and respect,

      Yes. But no one is going to pay them a normal salary.
  7. Million
    Million 16 September 2023 07: 41
    +8
    It's been a while since Shpakovsky shit on the USSR))))
    1. kalibr
      16 September 2023 07: 57
      -4
      Quote: Million

      Million (Vlad)
      It’s been a while since Shpakovsky shit on the USSR)

      Vlad, isn’t it true what’s written?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 16 September 2023 10: 06
        +10
        It may be true, but it’s entirely yours. Because I saw something completely different in the USSR. However, I have long suspected that some people lived in some other Union, radically different, say, from mine. And existing in some parallel universe. Because I cannot explain such a glaring difference in the assessment of those times in any other way...
      2. ZloyCat
        ZloyCat 16 September 2023 10: 13
        +6
        “Vlad, isn’t it true what’s written?”
        what's the truth? is it that the neighbor stole bicycles, or that Shpakovsky became a rural teacher so as not to serve in the army?
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 16 September 2023 11: 57
          +10
          Shpakovsky became a rural teacher so as not to serve in the army?
          And then he became a propagandist, he propagandized for the fact that he himself did not want to believe, but was a communist with a ticket, and then became an ardent fighter against communism, probably to Chubais, he sent nails into the coffin of communism laughing
    2. AUL
      AUL 16 September 2023 08: 27
      +6
      And the article is very muddy, and the comments on it are smelly. The provocation was a success!
  8. Fangaro
    Fangaro 16 September 2023 08: 10
    +5
    Maybe memory works this way, but six months ago Shpakovsky wrote differently. Both the subject matter and the writing style.
    As if a month and a half ago, other authors began to use his name as an author.
    The author is hardly objective about his mother’s moral teaching written “from memory.” The words are chosen in such a way that they do not form a single stream of angry speech, out of fear for the future of the son. And the author did not mention the reason for the drop in academic performance. And nothing is said about why the moral teaching taught in grades 4-5 only worked by the time I graduated from high school.
    Did you need to wash your first paycheck? Maybe. But also a defended diploma, and a first promotion, and a third star in the pursuit, and a bonus for an improvement proposal... And for a successfully delivered lecture.
    There were always reasons.
    Could you not wash it? Can.

    It’s not the same Shpakovsky who writes. Not the one.
    1. kalibr
      16 September 2023 14: 50
      +3
      Quote from Fangaro
      And for a successfully delivered lecture.

      First time I heard this. We didn't practice it. But... no need for legends. Orders of the British Crown, the grandfather of the Polish general... no need in the same spirit. That me, that... "Well, come on, Watson, it's me!" As for the words... when was this said? I remember literally only one phrase and the essence.
    2. ZloyCat
      ZloyCat 17 September 2023 09: 57
      -1
      "The wrong Shpakovsky writes. The wrong one."
      "The king is not real!"
  9. Revolver
    Revolver 16 September 2023 08: 12
    +14
    I personally know Jewish workers, I met them both in the USSR and in America. One of them is my relative, Dodik, although there he was David Aronovich to me, because he was from my parents’ generation. When he finished school, his father died, and there was no time for college. Mechanical engineering college, army, and then went “to work.” A toolmaker of the highest category, who was the highest then? 8th? He left Gomel in 1987, not because he was a traitor to the Motherland, but because he had to take his family and their newborn granddaughter out of places of radiation contamination. In the USSR there was such a thing as registration, and moving not to Zahlyupanka, but at least to another regional center, was more difficult than leaving on an Israeli visa. I didn’t make it to Israel; from Vienna I turned to America. Here, too, he worked as a tool maker, although his English was limited. He was lucky that he spoke a little Yiddish, like the owner of the factory, and he knew how to read blueprints. Through him I received my first engineering project in America. The owner needed a progressive stamp. The owner had something similar, but for completely different sizes and shapes of the stamped parts. Dodik (there is no fatherland here, and there are no patronymics either©) looked and said that he would not be able to count the dimensional chains here, he needed an engineer, and by the way, his relative recently arrived, he was an engineer in the USSR. I honestly admitted that I only saw the stamps there, but did not design them, but I can count the dimensional chains. In general, they let me look at the work of a similar stamp, the dimensions of the part at the output. I was just studying AutoCAD at a school with the loud name American Training Center, and I needed to draw a number of drawings for my portfolio. The owner of the school agreed that, as a portfolio, I would make my own project on his equipment (then he boasted to potential students that some of his students find a project for themselves even before finishing the course), and a week later the project was ready, with details, with all tolerances, fits, and everything that is required. Dodik looked and said that this is a completely different matter, now he knows what and how to do. Did. To be honest, I couldn’t have done it without a serious processing center, and he used a file to catch hundred square meters on pattern curves. When he made all the parts according to the drawings, he was surprised that the first time, without adjustments “in place,” it assembled and worked; this had never happened before in his practice, although the merit here was not so much mine as the program’s. Still, AutoCAD, even that ancient Release 10, is not a drawing board with whatman paper, so you have to try very hard to fail the dimensional chain on it. So here's an example of the difference between a mechanic and an engineer. Everyone is good in their place.
    And with the fee from the project I bought a cool computer for those times, 486 with 4 Mb of memory (at school there were 386 with 2 Mb). Release 10 simply flew on it, and even a little later, when I installed Release 12 for Windows, it did not slow down.
    Well, I can’t help but mention Senya the plumber, who was a plumber in Odessa. He has been doing all the plumbing work in my house since I bought it last century, which has been a lot, adding a toilet and shower, moving the washing machine to the other end of the basement, installing a Water Softener, and a few other smaller projects, not to mention current repairs (precisely current ones, the original pipe layout was done in 1928, and in the first years after the purchase something was always leaking somewhere, until he, one by one, replaced ALL the wiring). He replaced the last original pipe about 7 years ago.
    So the Jewish worker is not a joke, but the best representatives of the working class.
    1. Silhouette
      Silhouette 16 September 2023 09: 58
      +6
      I grew up in a courtyard of several houses built for employees of the Selkhozdetal plant, where not only engineers lived, but also workers, who made up the majority. Half of them were Jews. Turners, millers. My lifelong friend Mishka Fruman’s father was a diver, such a huge man. On Saturdays they slaughtered a “goat” until 12 at night in a gazebo, and the soul of the company was the chief accountant of the plant - a Jew. Everyone tried to give their children a higher education, but not everyone succeeded. One of my Jewish friends entered university to become an engineer 8 times and was unsuccessful all the time. I didn’t notice any neglect and arrogance and other rottenness, like Shpakovsky’s, in relationships. Everyone's destinies turned out differently. Two families went to Israel, one returned, one family went to the States and regretted it very much. In Russian families of workers, two boys did not live to see 20 years old, two drank themselves after 40. Life turned out well for those who left their parents.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 16 September 2023 11: 42
        +1
        Quote: Silhouette
        One of my Jewish friends entered university to become an engineer 8 times and was unsuccessful all the time.

        They secretly tried not to allow Jews into some universities, or strictly limited admission, just like in the army.
        In my life, I have not seen a single Jewish worker, unlike dentists, pharmacists, and representatives of liberal professions.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 16 September 2023 15: 04
          +6
          They secretly tried not to admit Jews to some universities
          It was. It’s not that they didn’t take, but other things being equal (the same scores), they didn’t take Jews. But there was no direct ban. And such a policy had a simple explanation - after the “Six Day War” of 1967, God’s chosen ones gathered in droves to the suddenly urgently attractive Israel. Moreover, those who had defense specialties and were already working in the defense industry of the USSR. They were politely offered to first return the tuition fee, since they were going to an unfriendly country, but the squeal rose throughout the world. And in order not to teach defense specialties to specialists from an unfriendly country, there were some restrictions on admission. But there was no ban.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 16 September 2023 15: 49
            0
            Quote: Aviator_
            But there was no ban.

            It couldn’t have happened, it would have been discrimination on the basis of nationality, there were no such announcements - just secretly, or change your last name to Russian, at least.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 16 September 2023 17: 20
              +4
              It couldn’t have happened, it would have been discrimination based on nationality, there were no such announcements
              We are not talking about announcements, we are talking about a fairly reasonable instruction at that time - all other things being equal, give preference to non-Jews. In fact, why teach with budget money those who will then end up going to Israel or the USA anyway? Let him go straight away and study there.
        2. Silhouette
          Silhouette 16 September 2023 20: 17
          +1
          Don't write nonsense. My friend entered an ordinary provincial institute, where Jews from my class entered the first time.
          I don’t know about the army, but in the navy there were quite a few Jews among the officers. All specialties.
        3. Silhouette
          Silhouette 16 September 2023 20: 52
          +1
          My friend from the yard entered an ordinary provincial institute, where all my Jewish classmates entered without any problems, the first time. So there is no need to write boring nonsense. I grew up among Jews who worked not only as factory workers, but also as drivers of trucks, truck cranes, etc. I don’t know how the army restricted the admission of Jews, but everyone knows the name of General Rokhlin, and in the navy there were countless Jewish officers. The head of the personnel department of the 10th operational squadron was a Jew, I don’t remember his last name, the flagship artilleryman was Captain 2nd Rank Bilder, the commander of the navigational combat unit on the Tashkent BOD was also a Jew, the last commander of the Petropavlovsk BOD was also a Jew. No one paid attention to their nationality and they served with dignity. So don't talk nonsense. She's in pain too.
    2. ZloyCat
      ZloyCat 16 September 2023 10: 20
      +2
      “So the Jewish worker is not a joke, but the best representatives of the working class.”
      I almost cried, it’s a pity, of course, that it’s easier to meet a unicorn laughing
  10. Frettaskyrandi
    Frettaskyrandi 16 September 2023 08: 59
    +2
    The author raised an interesting topic, it’s just a pity that the discussion did not go in a constructive direction, but immediately turned into a fight.
    It is stupid to deny that the moments described by the author existed. I went to school in the regional center, where there were industrial enterprises and collective and state farms. The GPTU, which appeared in our city in the 70s, immediately received the “folk” name “God help a stupid person get a job” and was not at all popular, although it had a very good educational base and good teaching staff.
    From the fourth grade, the daughters of the first and third secretaries of the district party committee “joined” our class, with the latter I sat at the same desk and had a “pioneer assignment” to help with their studies. Therefore, already at school age I could observe that “our people and party are united,” but there are nuances in this unity.
    And in production, having gone from a master mechanic in the furnace section of a metallurgical shop to a technical director, I had to make sure that the life of the “hegemon,” as some write here, in the reports of party conferences and in reality has some differences, which the author wrote about in the article.
  11. Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 September 2023 09: 05
    +9
    Ah, leave the unnecessary arguments...
    Reading the article and comments you might think. that there were two parallel Soviet Unions. And in the year of the coup d'etat (1991), the parallels merged and mixed.
    In fact, everything is simpler. The Soviet Union was different between urban and rural. USSR teachers and USSR miners are different. Despite the fact that the actors and the carpenters went to the same stores, they were still different stores, everyone saw their own.
    1. Frettaskyrandi
      Frettaskyrandi 16 September 2023 14: 12
      +1
      Reading the article and comments you might think. that there were two parallel Soviet Unions.

      The Soviet Union was alone. It’s just that life in the Soviet Union cannot be perceived only in dark or light colors. The USSR, like any other country, had both good and bad sides of people's existence. But the objective perception of history has fallen in an unequal struggle with the use of history in agitprop. Hence the srach instead of a normal discussion and the hysteria of the negative lumpen.
      1. nikolaevskiy78
        nikolaevskiy78 16 September 2023 14: 19
        +6
        How commendably he started with “wise assessments” and ended with “minus lumpen”. Bravo.
        And who is this s..ch scamming, I just can’t figure it out? I'm really at a loss for ideas winked
        1. Frettaskyrandi
          Frettaskyrandi 16 September 2023 14: 29
          0
          I'm really at a loss for ideas

          Hello my dear,
          I didn’t give you
          You came and found me
          And I was confused.

          Remember? The answer to your throwing is in the comments. Read, analyze - get the answer.
          1. nikolaevskiy78
            nikolaevskiy78 16 September 2023 14: 44
            +3
            I don’t remember any answers, much less tossing and turning, no “millions of torments,” no self-flagellation, denunciations, revelations, and I forgot what else, thousands of tramplings. So there is nothing to analyze here.
            Who came, where they were going, who was found, who was confused by whom.
            1. Frettaskyrandi
              Frettaskyrandi 16 September 2023 15: 06
              +2
              I do not remember

              There is no court.

              Russian folk proverb.
    2. kalibr
      16 September 2023 14: 43
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      USSR teachers and USSR miners are different. Despite the fact that the actors and the carpenter went to the same stores, they were still different stores, everyone saw their own.

      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  12. ZloyCat
    ZloyCat 16 September 2023 09: 32
    +6
    “And even then, after graduation, all school graduates, including the children of workers, for some reason were eager to go to university.”
    I don’t remember something like that! from our class of 25 people, 4 people entered universities, two entered technical school, and one entered military school. the rest went to work,
    not because they were stupid, they simply soberly assessed their capabilities. and, by the way, no one became a history teacher, only engineering majors. We, unlike the author, needed knowledge, and not a diploma with an indulgence from military service. Now everyone is eager to go to universities. You won’t find a decent turner or milling machine operator during the day. True, a normal engineer too. everyone is mostly a manager
    “Those parents whose children entered vocational schools were looked at with pity and... contempt”
    and that didn't happen. maybe you, and others like you, third-generation hereditary communists, looked at it this way
    “True, in the new building where we got an apartment, I had a neighbor, a worker from a neighboring bicycle factory. So, every Saturday he came home with... a bicycle and sold it either to friends, or went with him to the “tolkun””
    this is already a legend invented by the author, a myth, or a very old joke. at that time, control and accounting were no match for the present, and this subject would have gone to the construction sites of communism on a second bicycle

    “Then there was a break in my contacts with the working class again. Until 1982, when I started working at the institute, teaching the history of the CPSU and immediately automatically became a lecturer of the RK CPSU, since since 1975 I had already been a lecturer of the OK Komsomol.”
    Yes, at that time the Jewish worker was already an endangered species. teachers of the history of the CPSU, lecturers of all ranks, political scientists, and other zealous third-generation communists, ready to do anything for a ruble, came out into the vastness of their homeland in wide ranks.
    1. ZloyCat
      ZloyCat 16 September 2023 09: 34
      0
      "ready to do anything for a ruble"
      even to “communicate” with the working class
  13. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 16 September 2023 10: 09
    0
    Only at school did I learn that this was the shortest joke in the USSR, but, again, I didn’t understand the meaning of it then.

    And since childhood I knew that a short joke is “a Jewish slaughterer,” and the shortest joke is “communism.”
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 16 September 2023 11: 30
      +4
      Quote: tihonmarine
      And since childhood I knew that a short joke is “a Jewish slaughterer,” and the shortest joke is “communism.”

      “The Negro is sunbathing,” “Kolobok hanged himself.” It seems there were still, but I’ve already forgotten.
      True, having arrived in America, and on the third day I went to the beach (it was September, but in New York the heat was over 30°, and friends suggested going to the ocean), I became convinced that in America “The Negro sunbathes” is not a joke, but a reality .
  14. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 16 September 2023 10: 18
    +4
    Workers are different. In the early 90s, I worked as a service technician at a factory, for 5 years I ran around the shops with a tester, a screwdriver and pliers, repairing machines. Factory in the near Moscow region.
    The workers with whom I spoke were quite normal, cultured people. Although maybe this is because no one was installed on the “advanced” machines that I repaired. From the episodes: the shop's power engineer (an engineering position!!!) went to become an electrician, actually a blue-collar worker. According to him, he lost a little in salary, but I doubt it. Reason: “Provide a work culture, provide the cleaning lady with a rag, sit at meetings, the fireman comes and fines you. And the workers have less to worry about.” On the other hand, there was a “dostala” hovering next to us. The man was thoroughly drunk, in my opinion he had dinner with a glass. But I could get everything, for about XNUMX grams of alcohol, they gave it to us.
  15. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 16 September 2023 10: 33
    +9
    But even earlier namely in 1968, everyone started talking about some kind of economic reform, and that it made the workers feel very good.
    Actually, the Kosygin-Liberman reform took place in 1965. It was intended to clear up the economic legacy of Khrushchev Kukuruzny. Well, how successful this was is another matter. The historian should have known this.
    Well, the general impression from the note is this:
    1. kalibr
      16 September 2023 14: 38
      0
      Quote: Aviator_
      The historian should have known this.

      The child at that time did not care at all. And I write about what I witnessed, what I remember, and not about what you need to know. I don’t remember that they talked about any reforms in 65,66, 67, 67. In 17 they talked about the anniversary of XNUMX... I remember that.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 16 September 2023 15: 11
        +5
        The child at that time did not care at all.
        Well, yes, the child lived in a vacuum. And I didn’t stand in line for white bread in 1964. However, the lack of knowledge about the history of one’s country characterizes the level of professionalism of a person with a diploma in history, “an intellectual in the 4th generation.”
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 16 September 2023 16: 01
          +2
          Quote: Aviator_
          .... Well, yes, the child lived in a vacuum. And I didn’t stand in line for white bread in 1964. However, the lack of knowledge about the history of one’s country characterizes the level of professionalism of a person with a diploma in history, “an intellectual in the 4th generation.”

          Good afternoon, dear Sergey! hi I didn’t understand how serious or ironic, the beginning of the comment recourse I can say from the stories of my relatives that it was in 1964 in the village of Makarov, Kaluga region, that bread was not available in the store every day and you had to queue early, wait a long time, gather all your children, and if the townsfolk came to visit someone for the holidays ---- they also stood and “took” everything according to the permissible norm. That's what
          1. kalibr
            16 September 2023 17: 16
            0
            Quote: Reptiloid
            "4th generation intellectual."

            Look how the 4th generation hurt you. But you can’t erase the words from the song. And my daughter is already 5th, and my granddaughter is 6th. But belonging to a generation does not mean omniscience.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 16 September 2023 17: 27
              +6
              But belonging to a generation does not mean omniscience.
              It’s hard to disagree with this.
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 16 September 2023 17: 24
            +5
            that exactly in 1964 in the village of Makarov, Kaluga region, bread was not available in the store every day
            Dmitry, the events of 1964 surprised me then because, despite the recent chatter about communism, food suddenly became poor. There were also “coupons” (essentially cards) for butter. About Shpakovsky - he simply lies that “he didn’t really care about it.” Or the second option - the children of Penza teachers m-l and other party workers were not affected at all.
            1. kalibr
              16 September 2023 17: 57
              -1
              Quote: Aviator_
              he's just lying

              Sergey? Well, that's the point of lying to me? This is a small thing not worth a damn. Lying to you and the Reptilian is not respecting yourself. As for the bread - yes, I remember that my parents complained that the bread had become like corn and was not baked well inside. But personally, I liked it because it was convenient to roll balls out of it and shoot them from a glass tube - they stuck well. I remember this well. But I personally didn’t stand in any queues. I don't know about adults. I don't remember exactly.
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 16 September 2023 18: 02
              +2
              I don’t know anything about the “bad food supply” in Leningrad, I haven’t heard anything. I know that there were some “rare” products. Buckwheat, corn oil, hard smoked sausage, some sweets...
              About “don’t care,” maybe that’s what happened? Children could be spoiled. All the best for children. My childhood was in the North of the Far East, in geology. Did the children really feel the deficit? I roared a little ---- my mother forced me to eat red caviar with a tablespoon. For the tenth time - for the kitty, for dad, for mom.... Although the time is different. But everything was in short supply there and depended on navigation, but the children didn’t even notice that for them there were parcels from the “mainland”
              Of course, there is always a lot of anger and envy. Kicking a dead lion couldn't be easier! The USSR has been gone for >30 years. And the poison continues!
              Greed, arrogance, selfishness,
              According to Confucius,
              It won't come to any good ---
              The idiot knows too.
              And like a crab truck,
              So is the bug
              The power of plans will crush
              Spirit giant!

              Of course, you found out this, Sergey! This is a poem by a Polish Jew...
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 16 September 2023 19: 37
                +6
                This is a poem by a Polish Jew...
                Yes, this is Stanislav Lem. It’s a pity that he degenerated along with the Strugatskys, even a little earlier, by the mid-70s. We were protected from his Russophobic works of that time, but in vain. In fact, purely outwardly, he did not look like a Jew at all, since in occupied Lvov he lived and worked on the disposal of captured military equipment, and he proudly wrote that he transferred the weapons found inside tanks and armored cars to the “Resistance movement.” Probably the Home Army, controlled from London.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 16 September 2023 19: 58
                  +3
                  Moreover, he proudly wrote that he transferred the weapons found inside tanks and armored cars to the “Resistance movement.” Probably the Home Army, controlled from London.
                  "Fate plays with man..."
                  I was recently surprised to learn that Ludvik Svoboda was a White Czech.
                  My respect, Sergey!
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 16 September 2023 20: 19
                    +2
                    Good evening, Anton!
                    I was recently surprised to learn that Ludvik Svoboda was a White Czech.
                    Well, it was also a revelation for me that Marshal Govorov commanded an artillery battery near Kolchak during the Civil War. And Academician Alexandrov was a machine gunner for Wrangel. Then he worked a lot with Slavsky (Minister of the Ministry of Medium Machine Building), who during the Civil War was in Budyonny’s First Cavalry Army. Aleksandrov, it seems, told Slavsky that there was nothing more terrible in his life than Budyonny’s cavalry unfolded by lava, heading towards machine guns.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 16 September 2023 20: 30
                      +4
                      If we talk about the Polish creative intelligentsia layer, then the director Andrzej Wajda, famous in the USSR, was even more of a renegade...
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 16 September 2023 21: 11
                        +4
                        director Andrzej Wajda, famous in the USSR, was also a renegade....
                        He was famous among those like him, the “six-decades.” His "Ashes and Diamonds" is an absolutely anti-Soviet film.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 16 September 2023 21: 33
                        +2
                        His "Ashes and Diamonds" is an absolutely anti-Soviet film.
                        But do you agree that it turned out to be a great film? If you abstract from rhetoric.
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 16 September 2023 22: 17
                        +1
                        But do you agree that it turned out to be a great film?
                        I don't agree. I didn’t like it in my youth, but now I have no desire to watch it again.
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 16 September 2023 22: 22
                        +1
                        Your right. I also watched it when I was young, I was about 15 years old then.
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 16 September 2023 22: 34
                        +2
                        Meanwhile, let us note... I, a worker, and you, an engineer, are discussing the work of a decade-old Pole.
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 16 September 2023 20: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: Aviator_
                  .. ..... We were protected from his Russophobic works of that time, but in vain......

                  Maybe it was not something that was protected, but that it was translated inaccurately? After all, American science fiction writers were probably published in some adapted way recourse I read some of our old translated publications with surprise
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 16 September 2023 20: 27
                    +2
                    Maybe it was not something that was protected, but that it was translated inaccurately? After all, American science fiction writers were probably published in some adapted way
                    No, Lem has some work from the mid-70s (too lazy to look for it now), where no matter how you translate it, the USSR is still a big stinking monster that does not allow white and fluffy nobles to live. And I didn’t notice any special mistakes in the translations of the Americans, however, I am now not the same science fiction connoisseur that I was from 1962 to 1985. I began to read fluently in the first grade, hence the specific number I started.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 16 September 2023 21: 36
                      +1
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      ..... anyway, the USSR is a big stinking monster that does not allow white and fluffy nobles to live. .....

                      In general, Sergei, it is completely incomprehensible why various Polish nasty things were so hushed up under the USSR. In confirmation, recall your article, as well as how about Poland in the 8-volume edition (1937g ) HISTORIES OF THE 19TH CENTURY, edited by Tarle
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 16 September 2023 22: 21
                        +1
                        Dmitry, well, I haven’t read Tarle, although I should have, for general development. And they kept silent about the nasty things in order to appease the Poles; they even had a division named after the “field commander” Kosciuszko, whose best place was on the gallows.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 16 September 2023 22: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        ..... I haven’t read Tarle, although I should have, ....
                        .....

                        Maybe it's not necessary. If the Poles are called fighters against autocracy and there is no word about the Polish uprisings and the Russian liberals who supported them, then it is unknown what is happening in other places
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        .... their division was named after the “field commander” Kosciuszko, whose best place was on the gallows.

                        We have such a street. And then there is Gdańsk. Supposedly twin cities. I would like to rename this.
                3. ZloyCat
                  ZloyCat 17 September 2023 10: 22
                  -1
                  “We were protected from his Russophobic works of that time”
                  what were they called? or is it?
                  “Actually, purely outwardly, he didn’t look like a Jew at all.”
                  have you seen his photo?
        2. kalibr
          16 September 2023 17: 14
          +3
          Quote: Aviator_
          And I didn’t stand in line for white bread in 1964.

          I don't remember standing.
  16. acetophenone
    acetophenone 16 September 2023 12: 23
    +2
    I graduated from FM school 344 in Leningrad. Not an elite educational institution, but one of the best. Mathematics teacher Maria Nikolaevna Baranova (thanks to her for the science!) was sincerely rooting for us, who were not particularly diligent. And when the number of those who did not solve the additional tasks was more than 1-2, she loudly accused us of carelessness, ending her speech with the words:
    - Idlers, you belong in 95 (or 96? It doesn’t matter...) vocational school!
    And she pointed out the window at the neighboring building.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 16 September 2023 20: 31
      +2
      Aha hi Nevsky district, Novoselov street. Proletarsky district. Previously, there was the territory of the Shliselburg district of the Revolutionary Traditions region. Many of our revolutionary leaders studied there at an evening workers’ school and (on the opposite bank) organized revolutionary workers’ circles. Krupskaya taught.
  17. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 16 September 2023 15: 48
    +8
    Well, I don’t know, I personally grew up in a village that was called “working” and all around me lived only hard workers. Miners, geologists, drivers, mechanics, and so on and so forth. Although, of course, no one built separate houses for engineers.
    They earned good money, and if you take into account the northern, field and other allowances, they didn’t at all.
    Have you been drinking? Well, where would we be without this... everything is according to the classics - “works until you die, drinks until you die.” However, there were also those who did not drink. No one poured force down anyone's throat.
    By the way, there were Jews too. One of them worked with my older brother, apparently as an electrician.

    But now it's good. Farmers I know ask, do you have a smart machine operator in mind?
    I’m just keeping quiet about turners.
    There are still welders. Maybe all is not lost? what
  18. Unknown
    Unknown 16 September 2023 17: 39
    +6
    Today we will talk about people of working professions that the author had the opportunity to encounter during all his 69 years of living. That is, these are nothing more than personal impressions.
    A good memory at 69 years old, Mr. Shpakovsky remembers the smallest details, well, he also added on his own, for the sake of poignancy, how many comments he received addressed to him. I'll add that too.
    I met people in working professions as a child.
    You can skip this, what I understood there in childhood, for 6-10 years. But then it’s interesting.
    family supervision weakened, since at that time my mother was studying at graduate school at Moscow State University in Moscow and was only at home in the summer.
    And so, returning once again and looking at my report card, she threw a scandal at me and said that if I study like this, I will not enter the university, and I will not become a historian, like my mother,
    We were under severe pressure from our mother, under the feminine leadership. A complex has developed mom is always right. Then a lot is clear. What about dad? After all, for a guy, much more important What will the father say, he hangs around among the boys, and the mother does not understand the male team, literally at all. From here..
    “And you will also work at a factory, you will have to wash your first paycheck, and they will force you to drink vodka. But you’re not used to drinking it, and you’ll end up drunk, vomited all over, and come home like that,
    Extremely weird concept of the first paycheck. Actually, students also eat vodka and be healthy. While studying at a university, she I did not notice such things? But she didn’t say it, she didn’t consider it necessary.
    So I took my mother’s words into account,
    Mom is still powerful. She held her son with a tight grip.
    Parents sought to push their children into higher education at any cost.
    Your mother was also included in that number, and also at any cost. The desire of a part of our people to become a boss is unshakable, and when paid higher education was removed, masses of young people poured into universities, and there were plenty of mediocrities too.
    Those parents whose children entered vocational schools were looked at with pity and... contempt
    Even how?! He himself graduated from SGPTU, not at me, especially since they didn’t look at my parents with contempt. But at work, some university graduates were looked at with surprise...what was he doing there for five years? Oak is oak, I just wiped my trousers there...
    Well, I gave them lectures regularly, and they liked my lectures, it was pleasant for me, but that’s all, actually.
    In all seriousness? Product number 2, explains with a smart look ingrown men who have sipped on the truisms of life and they do not sleep during his lectures?
    1. kalibr
      16 September 2023 17: 48
      -3
      Quote: Unknown
      In all seriousness? Product number 2, with a smart look, explains common truths to grown men who have drank through life and they don’t sleep during his lectures?

      How many times should I repeat that VO is read by both residents of Penza and those who know me. Therefore, I simply cannot come up with something. How you yourself understand your opinion and those like you is indifferent to me. They wrote to me a lot of things before. but 2010 articles were published on VO, nevertheless. But my friends can read this, people who studied with me for 32 years, who watched my TV shows, who listened to my lectures. And their opinion matters because I live next to them. Therefore, if I write that they listened with interest, that means it was so. Explained clearly?
      1. Unknown
        Unknown 16 September 2023 19: 40
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        But my friends can read this, people who studied with me for 32 years, who watched my TV shows, who listened to my lectures.

        Well, yes, of course......maybe those who have studied and there are people who love to watch TV, it doesn’t matter what they show, the main thing is that it works. You turn it off and it immediately wakes up and says, “I didn’t even sleep.”
        1. kalibr
          16 September 2023 21: 15
          -2
          Quote: Unknown
          Well, yes, of course......maybe those who have studied and there are people who love to watch TV, it doesn’t matter what they show, the main thing is that it works. You turn it off and it immediately wakes up and says, “I didn’t even sleep.”

          All those thousands that studied with me are like this? Are you being too harsh in your judgment? Without knowing the matter, by the way, completely.
          1. Unknown
            Unknown 16 September 2023 22: 45
            +3
            Quote: kalibr
            All those thousands that studied with me are like this? Are you being too harsh in your judgment? Without knowing the matter, by the way, completely.

            K.D. Ushinsky, L.S. Vygotsky, A.S. Makarenko, V.A. Sukhomlinsky, S.L. Soloveichik - domestic teachers recognized as one of the best in the world, the name Shpakovsky is not on this list. You need to be more modest.
            1. kalibr
              17 September 2023 07: 34
              -1
              Quote: Unknown
              the surname Shpakovsky is not on this list.

              But it is in the textbook of the Middle Ages for the 6th grade in the list of authors of literature for reading. It is in university textbooks published in the Russian Federation and Germany. By the way, you can easily find the latter on the Internet. Well, if it doesn’t work out, I’ll even post the covers for you and SNBM. You can even order and read them. Self-education is a great thing!
              1. Unknown
                Unknown 17 September 2023 09: 56
                +2
                Quote: kalibr
                But it is in the textbook of the Middle Ages for the 6th grade in the list of authors of literature for reading

                What do you say is on the list of authors? I take it offhand [quoteRecommended reading on the history of the Middle Ages

                VI class

                ] [/ Quote]

                To the sound of swords. Folk tales of the North and West of Europe, Celtic, Scandinavian, Germanic and Finnish as presented. M., 1992 R. Sutcliffe. Silver branch. St. Petersburg, 2004.R. Sutcliffe. Torchbearers. M., 2000 One Thousand and One Nights. Arabian fairy tales (children's editions). K. Moiseeva. Stars of the wise Biruni. V. Smirnova - R akitin a. The Tale of Avicenna. the great healer Avicenna. M., 1972 Song about Okmakov. Beowulf. Robin Hood. M., 2000 Ballads of Robin Hood by A. Dumas. Robin cott. Ivanhoe. Richard the Lionheart. Quentin Dorward. hero in tiger skin. M., 1978 M. Zaborov. The Crusaders and their campaigns in Libya. Viking campaign. Vikings and Indians. St. Petersburg, 1993 B. Brodsky. Following the heroes of the books (chapters “With Knight Ivanhoe to the Tournament”, “Following Quentin Dorward to Rebellious Liege”). Stone pages of history. A. Lewandowski. Jeanne d'Tevenson. Black Arrow A. Conan Doyle. Sir Nigel. White squad. , . ervantes. The cunning hidalgo Don Quixote of La Mancha (children's editions) Z. Vygodskaya. The extraordinary adventures of the Spanish soldier Cervantes, the author of “Don Quixote” V. Maynk. The amazing adventures of Marco Polo Encyclopedia for children. Publishing house "Avanta +" (history).
                There is a long list of Russian history, there is no point in giving it, the surname Shpakovsky is not there.
                Quote: kalibr
                is in university textbooks published in the Russian Federation and Germany.

                There is no need to consider others idiots when you yourself.... Here need in Germany history textbook, Russian author.?! The Germans its interpretation of history different from the Russian one, and even the history of the Middle Ages as presented by a Russian author, nonsense.They have the same story all the time. And the Germans who moved from Kazakhstan to Germany don’t really care about any story. This is only our former teacher at the institute, on the VO website he can advertise a book, either about dispossession, collectivization, repression in the villages, published by a French publishing house and using their money. There, advertising of Russian authors is limited, unless of course not anti-Soviet and Russophobe I prefer to educate myself by reading. completely different authors.
                1. cca2001
                  cca2001 19 September 2023 06: 58
                  0
                  You are wrong, it is there. Fortunately, my son is in 6th grade.
              2. ZloyCat
                ZloyCat 17 September 2023 10: 30
                0
                “But it is in the textbook of the Middle Ages for the 6th grade in the list of authors of literature for reading. It is in university textbooks published in the Russian Federation and Germany.”
                When were these textbooks published? isn't it the holy 90s?
            2. kalibr
              17 September 2023 07: 37
              0
              Quote: Unknown
              K.D. Ushinsky, L.S. Vygotsky, A.S. Makarenko, V.A. Sukhomlinsky, S.L. Soloveichik - domestic teachers,

              I think they all died before I was born...
              1. Unknown
                Unknown 17 September 2023 10: 11
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                I think they all died before I was born...

                Do you hope to be included in the list of luminaries of Russian pedagogy who, after death, remained in scientific memory? Yeah
                A modest person does not appreciate his own merits
                But this is not about you. All people have a high opinion of themselves - and the less they cost, the more they think so.
    2. ZloyCat
      ZloyCat 17 September 2023 10: 27
      0
      “We were under severe pressure from our mother, under the feminine leadership. A complex developed that mom is always right.”
      like any Jewish mother. it's in their genes
  19. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 16 September 2023 19: 23
    +3
    With all due respect to the author, military topics are discussed here, and not the fate of the Jewish people: Military Review and Israel Hayom are two very different things...
    1. kalibr
      16 September 2023 21: 17
      -1
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      and not the fate of the Jewish people

      There is not a word AT ALL in this article about the fate of the Jewish people.
  20. ivan2022
    ivan2022 16 September 2023 19: 33
    +4
    The author is trying to convince the reader that the class division in Russia was formed not in the 16th, but in the 20th century, and that until 1917, Jews represented the basis of the Russian proletariat?

    Well, then “like the commies came” and that’s it. raspberries......
    1. kalibr
      16 September 2023 21: 17
      -1
      Quote: ivan2022
      and that before 1917 Jews represented the basis of the Russian proletariat?

      Are you laughing or did you read every other line? Where did you find this in the text?
      1. ivan2022
        ivan2022 17 September 2023 06: 02
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: ivan2022
        and that before 1917 Jews represented the basis of the Russian proletariat?

        Are you laughing or did you read every other line? Where did you find this in the text?
        1. ivan2022
          ivan2022 17 September 2023 06: 08
          +1
          Quote: ivan2022
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: ivan2022
          and that before 1917 Jews represented the basis of the Russian proletariat?

          Are you laughing or did you read every other line? Where did you find this in the text?

          Yes, it’s quite possible to laugh at such a text....
          So what if a Jewish worker was a rarity in the USSR? What does the USSR have to do with this?

          If the laws of the USSR gave advantages to Jews over other peoples, then write about it...... It won’t be funny and it will be interesting
  21. faterdom
    faterdom 17 September 2023 00: 28
    +1
    Whatever you want, I don’t understand those who scold and make some kind of labels.
    A person simply describes his life and his impressions in good literary language with a bit of humor - childhood, teenage, adulthood in different guises and in different eras.
    Like Konstantin Paustovsky in the novel “My Life”, I highly recommend it to those who are not familiar, because the writer’s life was interesting and at a turning point, the acquaintances were amazing (I studied at the same Kiev gymnasium with Bulgakov and the future Siamese Queen Katya). It seems to be about life, but more about time and impressions about it.
    It may, of course, not be a format for a thematic site, but... as we see the discord in the brains of the population, division into warring strata is dangerous for the state in all respects, including military power.
    Therefore, I think it is appropriate to think: why did this happen? And what is needed to prevent this from happening again? Why is the current fattened “elite” on the side of those who call for killing Russians, taking away their cars and phones, and competing without pants? Where did they grow up, who taught them and what?
    1. ZloyCat
      ZloyCat 17 September 2023 10: 39
      +1
      “Where did they grow up, who taught them and what?”
      This is what the Shpakovskys taught. They taught what they themselves did not know and did not believe in. here is the result
      "Like Konstantin Paustovsky in the novel"
      Don’t confuse Paustovsky and Shpakovsky. writer with a capital “p”, and a freelance lecturer on a bright future from the district committee of the CPSU
  22. Igor_Lvovich
    Igor_Lvovich 17 September 2023 10: 28
    +1
    The author seems to be off topic! Of course, it’s better to read lectures for 120 than to churn out pieces of iron for 200. And most importantly, with an increase in labor productivity by 1.5 times and, accordingly, wages up to 300, next month your prices will be cut and you will again receive the same 200.
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    2. ivan2022
      ivan2022 17 September 2023 19: 07
      0
      Yeah.... the "red master" was bad..... The white master freed the Russians from the "hardware". ..... Well, what else do you need?

      There are peoples who, under any government, will find themselves “carrying the cross,” and there are those who, under any government, will manage their affairs well....

      Heh.... heh.... this despite the fact that in Russia the laws, whether Soviet or anti-Soviet, are the same for all peoples....
  23. Foma Kinyaev
    Foma Kinyaev 21 September 2023 20: 05
    0
    Another anti-Soviet nonsense of a completely crazy ex-lecturer. In a long footcloth, reeking of stinking mincemeat, all the best excerpts from vomiting anti-Soviet manuals are collected - a grandmother on a chest, thieves commies who did not give the lecturer any benefits, low salaries for engineers, parents who pushed someone into college, and so on. etc. And then why suddenly wonder why 1937 happened?