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Do we understand correctly what the libertarian part of the collective West is actually building?

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Do we understand correctly what the libertarian part of the collective West is actually building?

A few days ago, the European Commission finally published clarifications on the application of the sanctions regime to individuals from our country who decided to visit the hospitable European Union.


Judging by the text of the document, nothing else can be imported: no cars with or without trailers, no suitcases, no bags, no rings, no perfume. The clarifications are advisory in nature, but there are already numerous cases of seizure of personal belongings and vehicles in Germany.

Mutual propaganda exercises, both on our and on the European side, no longer surprise anyone: we are going on an allegedly “irreconcilable” struggle against Satanism, Western hypocrisy, duplicity, they are fighting day and night against Russia’s supposedly special despotism, authoritarianism, communism, imperialism, and so on and so forth: all narratives have no number.

Both Russian and Western observers catch each other in duplicity. They are looking and always finding something to cling to, because in reality no one from the elite has followed or follows these ideologies. However, the gap is deepening and getting worse.

It seems that the same thunder in public discourse rushed from different sides during the Crimean War, the Balkan campaigns, not to mention the Soviet period stories. And the elites, it would seem, did not change, just as the human essence does not change. Nevertheless, there is a difference.

Even in those years, no one was looking for “bad” or “good” Russians. The noble Russian emigration, whether loyal to their Fatherland or not, existed in the West on quite adequate general conditions. Just like immigrants from the USSR. It is difficult to imagine a certain crowd of “Ukrainians” who would besiege the apartments of A. Herzen in London, or A. Solzhenitsyn or I. Brodsky in the USA.

Today, those same “Ukrainianists” are a kind of estate of medieval flagellants - mendicant supporters of physical self-flagellation and medieval assistants of the Inquisition who identified witches. But you shouldn’t focus on how bad it looks from the outside, although this is in fact the case.

After all, we are faced with a situation where a certain “collective West” (let’s call it that for now) has set itself the task of not only cutting itself off from us financially and, more broadly, economically, but also breaking off any cultural connection at all. This was not done even in the Middle Ages, with all the cultural and religious antagonism. There was antagonism, but there were no interrupted cultural and trade ties.

There is no doubt that the initially completely pro-Western Russian elite of modern times conducts its propaganda “second number”, in the “fool himself” style. Because it's a shame. And it’s even more offensive because Western policy looks outwardly and really stupid: from the ban on cheap gas to the locking up of Tchaikovsky.

But what is the reason for stupidity, and is it all about stupidity? It is easy to imagine the current political management in the West as a kind of herd of cretins, but the question arises: how did this herd manage to form and promote the concept of the “Third Pole”, about which the author often wrote, in the Middle East and India?

300 or 330 billion dollars of foreign exchange reserves are not stuck with us, but our reserves are stuck with them, these Western “inadequacies”. It is our additional 30, and maybe more, billions of dollars that will now work for investments in India, and in such a way that it will save money for the project of the same Third “Indo-Arabian” pole - a concept that also works against Chinese strategies.

Allegedly, we bought rupees, but now we can’t exchange them, we fought with the “Western Satan,” but they left him several hundred billion, and every year money flows in and out. There are restrictions, there are no restrictions - there are no obstacles to such a goal. Frankly speaking, you look at this, and you remember S. Marshak’s imperishable “Not So”:

The sun in the field catches a hat,
The shadow from the walls is erased with a rag,
He takes the door with him to the forest
So that the thief does not get into it...


This does not mean that Western policy is entirely successful, but one must apparently be more careful with epithets of mental inferiority. Not so as not to offend the “Western partners” (however, if we offend, we will pay, as usual, a fine with foreign currency earnings), but so as not to fall into, as they say in Orthodox literature, “into delusion.” Of course, you can eat oil, or rather drink it, but it is advisable to somehow limit the quantity.

People who maintain a high degree of sobriety have long understood that we are not dealing with “Western stupidity,” no matter how outwardly it may look, but with some kind of concept of a vision of the future, where “Ukrainian inquisitors-flagellants”, narrow-minded but executive political managers in Europe, etc. are tools, and the total break with Russia is due to some promising social model.

We also see that our elite is faced not just with rejection, albeit historically conditioned, like “the Englishwoman is shitting”, but with a certain methodology and worldview, which there are no ways to effectively counteract.

No matter how many conferences we hold on “mental wars”, there is no adequate response methodology, no matter how many strategies are developed - see the example of India.

This is not such a simple question, because without understanding the methods used to work against you, sooner or later the result will be the same - “catch the sun with a hat” and “wipe away the shadow from the wall with a rag.” And the author would invite the reader to re-read these lines most carefully.

If someone convinced you that a shadow can be wiped off with a rag, and you hold conferences to correctly identify shadows, select the best wall managers, pour money into it, etc., then should you be surprised at the final result?

The problem is that the next stage will be carrying water in a sieve, pounding the spilled water in a mortar, etc. And with each new stage, society will need even more oil until either the oil or public health runs out.

The question, therefore, is not who is stupid and who is not - the question is in methods and concepts that we do not see, but our steps “from the other side” are visible. We are being calculated, but we are not being read.

Look carefully at the elements of propaganda, listen carefully to these narratives, and you will hear there “waiting for Trump 2.0” - to stand for a year and hold out for a day. It’s even difficult to say how many calming potions with a “Trump” sticker were drunk in the past, but our elitists and intellectuals are persistent - they couldn’t wipe off the shadows with a rag, they will expose them to the rain with a sieve.

And again, it is important to emphasize that neither our elitists nor intellectuals are stupid, they are not some special ignoramuses, they generally have the ability to reflect, even greater than their counterparts in the West, but the cap and sieve continue to be used as the main tool. Why?

Exactly because there is no understanding of what exactly is being built under the banner of the new liberal Western project, and there is no understanding of the methodology by which it is being built. As a result, we get a natural result. And our most popular explanation for the current Western line of behavior is that they are fools.

And how can one not quote in full the words of the wanderer Feklusha from Ostrovsky’s play “The Thunderstorm”:

“They say that there are such countries, dear girl, where there are no Orthodox kings, and the Saltans rule the earth. In one land the Turkish saltan Makhnut sits on the throne, and in another - the Persian saltan Makhnut; and they carry out judgment, dear girl, on all people, and no matter what they judge, everything is wrong. And they, my dear, cannot judge a single case righteously, such is the limit set for them. Our law is righteous, but theirs, dear, is unrighteous; that according to our law it turns out this way, but according to theirs everything is the opposite. And all their judges, in their countries, are also all unrighteous; So, dear girl, they write in their requests: “Judge me, unjust judge!” And then there is also a land where all the people have dog heads.”

Tell me, are you satisfied with this explanation of reality? However, even in Western society, not many people put into their heads a different image than the one given above.

There are also enough of their own wanderers and wanderers, like B. Henri-Levi. Another thing is that they don’t catch luminaries with their headdress, preferring to give prizes in this sport to others.

Once again, I would like to emphasize that this situation does not mean that our intellectuals are weak - on the contrary, historically Russian society has been endowed with great abilities for reflection, that is, the ability to refer to the past, evaluate and re-evaluate events.

It’s not just that, abandoning the entire cultural layer of Russia, even ultra-liberals want to keep the works of F. M. Dostoevsky on their shelves. They need to fill this gap, and they fill it, but not out of any special love for this particular classic.

The author looks with interest at the exercises of our Russian leftist youth, who are actually trying to understand what is happening through reflection and based on sources.

But to understand means to foresee and predict, and this also fails, just like with our older comrades. Although the level of some left-wing resources and their speakers is very, very high. What kind of labyrinth is this in which our intelligentsia wanders, trying to understand the current Western model?

The fact that there is a model is evident from the results. Not by those that are shown to us in terms of the supposed degradation of Western society, which has been decomposing in unrighteous living since Antiquity and still will not decompose, but by the fact that in many countries management is actually built on the same principles and involvement in these processes is only increasing .

It would seem that there is an economic crisis, but involvement is growing. Absurd? No, it's not absurd. The point is not in reflection, not in the level of education or erudition, not in intellectual baggage, but in the direction of the search.

The Russian intellectual environment, apparently, has two birth traumas, and perhaps features.

The first is the feeling of the Russian, Russian space as a certain special sphere of “higher spirituality,” a space where the intangible periodically prevails over the mortal. By the way, this gives not only space for the flight of thought, but also the sincere conviction of the elites that the people will live in poverty, because spirituality is their historical strong point.

The second feature is the paradoxical opposite of the first - our entire scientific heritage and our entire scientific school is built on a purely materialistic basis.

A modern Russian Marxist simultaneously talks about the spiritual Russian path and immediately applies diamat methods in assessing economic processes. What if these processes in the West, for example, have not just an economic, but a religious-economic background? That's it, the methods won't work.

Who studies religion here, in addition to specialized theological disciplines? Philosophers and historians who do not know or understand economics. And economists, in principle, do not understand how religious concepts influence social production.

This is all the more interesting because, in the classical definition, economics is the science of social economy, and society is based not only on productive forces, but also on production relations, which are not always purely material.

The primacy of the postulate that a Westerner will gladly buy a rope with which to hang him for 300% of the profit is so strong that there is no way to even think about what if, for the sake of some religious (or quasi-religious) idea, the same Westerner not only does not buy a rope, but also will refuse cheap gas? And he will sell the rope to our “elites”, and with success, just like in India. We are laughing that the EU is discussing covering 45% of Ukraine’s budget deficit at its own expense until 2027, but maybe they are laughing in vain?

But the historical school prevails, because in principle there can be nothing immaterial outside the material “base”. This is where lies the very mistake that has cost us and will continue to cost us our next attempts to catch the stars with our hats.

After all, it is impossible to assume that there is some other model, where the “base” and “superstructure” are not located sequentially, but are equivalent, balanced and equally dependent.

In the debate about what comes first - the egg or the chicken, it suddenly turns out that there are adherents of the third idea, that both the chicken and the egg existed at the same time. Only our intellectual school cannot accept this as a basis - it is different.

And the point is not that now someone will say, “It doesn’t happen like that.” What difference does it make whether it happens or not, if modern Western ultra-liberalism has laid this ancient principle (and it is precisely ancient) as the basis for the new construction of the century.

Moreover, since this movement is based on the left-wing Western discourse, it becomes easier for many of its adherents to create a new reality “from scratch”. By reflecting, it is possible, unlike ours, to select only what is necessary, without spreading “to the smoke of the Fatherland” and the other smell of birches.

Turning to modern Western ideas, we often outline the time frame for their formation as the end of the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries. It seems that this is so, because modern ultra-liberalism, which by the way does not have an official self-name, is an antagonist of Christianity. Ultra-liberals even make fun of this, performing a kind of anti-Christian performance.

But the problem is that they not only stage productions like “The Great Gotthard,” but also have a mathematical model of economic development that does not fit well with political economic classics. Although it uses some of its principles and theses for the external social contour.

Why is this model not reflected by our intellectuals? And here again we need to look at our scientific basis, where, with all the wealth of our scientific apparatus, any economic model is built on an “either or” position, including in terms of geopolitics.

For example, “The United States is striving for world hegemony” is an axiomatic thesis that does not require proof. But what if there is a model where the US no longer plays its traditional zero-sum game? This is why our expert community does not feel the American idea of ​​a “Third Pole,” because it cannot exist. But it exists and is already crowding out theses about a multipolar world. This will be felt more and more over time, although, alas, we will be the last to feel it.

Moreover, what is balance in the usual sense? Equality of the right and left sides in the result. But what if, in the same Antiquity, balance was not just a “right-left” game on paper, but had a completely material form of scales. Only there is a problem - the scales weigh something, not only the bowls, but there is weight in the support area - the scales do not hang in space. These are even different images, these are different perceptions of reality.

For our contemporaries, this is just hypothetical nonsense, but it was precisely such mathematical models in Antiquity that formed the basis of polis management, that is, the management of politics and the economy.

A modern philosopher reads some “Moderat of Gadira” and sees there a set of numbers, reflections on cosmogony and harmony, some relationships of prime numbers, although in front of him is an economic model, and a rather deep one.

The economist Moderat will not even open it, and even more so our elitist - he is already buying rupees, circumventing sanctions, while at the same time diverting part of the foreign exchange earnings to his own interests. “Everything is a number,” Moderat replies, and starts a discussion about how nice it is to trade in other currencies, without saying a word about the concept of “value.”

“This ancient philosopher was a stupid man, he was looking for some quality in numbers,” thinks the cunning elitist. “I agree,” replies Moderat, taking another 30 billion, or whatever it is, from the elitist for his project.

No matter how much modern Russian intellectuals, including savvy Marxists, declare that “the base determines the superstructure,” the new type of liberal model insists and will continue to repeat the opposite - the “subtle” is equal in weight to the “coarse”, one barrel of oil is equal to 10 thoughts about the barrel oil. For everything is material in this model: both material and immaterial. But our intellectual cannot even think of this while sitting at some strategy meeting. This cannot even be assumed; they will not understand.

Well, it can’t be like that, says the traditionalist, we must first create a barrel. And then he gets into trouble, because fundamentally from a philosophical point of view, the Western libertarian, the heir to the pagan philosophical school, is right, where everything is a number and everything is in everything. And it puts modern digital technologies into processing cognitive processes that it can quantitatively analyze.

At the same time, our spirituality is higher and immeasurable, and in the ancient model it is a part of the material world, calculable and having weight. This, by the way, proves that Christianity, from the point of view of the canon, is nominal in our brains, since even in Christianity the so-called. the spiritual world is material, just of a different quality. This is the paradox.

In our school, where there are concepts of positive and negative values, everything is measured in terms of good and evil, plus and minus. And in that ancient philosophy there was no minus - everything was modular there. Darkness is not minus light, but zero light. It would seem, what difference does it make? And the difference is colossal.

Our propaganda screams: “Russia does not want war.” And in the West, knowing the principle of the module, they say: “He wants war.” Our answer is that he doesn’t want to, but there, no, of course he does. Our people are convinced that if we say “no to war,” then we are postponing the war. And in the world of Moderat from Ghadira, everyone who uses the word “war” brings it closer, because the word does not have a negative meaning, because it is a number, because 10 words are equal to that very barrel of oil.

And by forcing his opponent, that is, us, to justify himself, the modern Western Moderat forces him to put another weight on the scales of that event, the occurrence of which the opponent (and that is us) so does not want.

Have you ever wondered why we always make excuses and debate with the West, apparently believing that we are doing something right? But Moderat is happy with this approach, because the “subtle” is equal to the “coarse”, and even modulo, especially since our discussions there are heard less and less - they need them to unfold here, and in the right way.

They threw a term with a certain weighty meaning into the discussion, and then they themselves will wind up the progression on the next talk show. However, they have not achieved complete secrecy of unnecessary information in their own country, but they are moving towards this with commendable zeal.

Why, one might ask, is it necessary to de-Russify Europe in such a model? Yes, precisely because any penetration of the “subtle” (narrative) creates the ground for the “rough” productive sector. You can throw anything at us, it’s okay. And it doesn’t matter that there are economic losses - when a religious fanatic was generally embarrassed by losses. But we say from every iron that “the West is greedy.”

He may be greedy, but he remembers the principle - give everything, gain the world. Only this principle is part of the same specific ancient mathematics. Well, for the lower classes of society there are Hindu practices and ideas of “freedom”, the fight for the environment, clean air, and points for social activity.

The author has already written more than once that the United States is moving away from a zero-sum game, which is a very important qualitative criterion. Perhaps the most important.

This is a different reading of the balance, which, if combined with specific ideological attitudes, allows us to conclude that modern ultra-liberalism is a vigorous mixture of late ancient philosophical and religious schools, modern Hindu practices and the heritage of the leftist movement. And it is possible to understand what they are doing to Europe and the Middle East only by considering the specifics of these methods.

It is difficult to say whether our managerial and intellectual elite is even capable of putting aside (at least temporarily) their attitudes and bringing together economists, mathematicians and philosophers in order to simply develop a scheme for interaction and counteraction to this quasi-religious ancient mathematics, implicated in libertarianism, a synthesis of Greek and Hindu cosmogony .

But sooner or later we will have to do this, otherwise we will spend years wiping the shadows off the walls with rags, while paying ourselves with material assets. However, as long as the modern meme is alive and working in practice: “As long as there is oil in Russia, there is me in Milan, if there is me in Milan, then there is oil in Russia,” hope for this remains illusory. Milan in this case is a collective image.

The author is not at all sure that in this text he was able to cover the topic in detail. And this is hardly possible in principle, given the questions raised. However, if this helps someone even a little to look at what is happening outside the usual framework, this will already be a result. Modulo.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 14 September 2023 04: 51
    +14
    No matter how many conferences on “mental wars” we hold, there is no adequate response methodology, no matter how many strategies are developed

    The state has no ideology of the future...that's all. request
    Our guarantor has now begun to repent to the Hungarians for 1956...I haven’t heard of the Hungarians repenting for the 1941-45 years of war with our people.
    What a disgrace!!!
    This is how the state from above begins to rot.
    What comes next will be a continuous fog of uncertainty. what
    1. nikolaevskiy78
      14 September 2023 06: 35
      +6
      So in the West there is no ideology. After all, they no longer work with ideas, but with desires. Feel the difference. He who controls desires will take away the flock of any ideologists. But in addition to cognitive science, there is also a certain model of social structure, which obviously has its roots in ancient soil. The topic is interesting, but so complex that an attempt to describe it will, as usual, be just an attempt.
      1. belly
        belly 14 September 2023 11: 51
        +5
        Hm. But you are, perhaps, talking about the correct and comprehensive application of the dialectical method. One where, first of all, it is not the weight or primacy in a dialectical pair that is considered, but the relationships and interdependencies in them... And yes, few people know dialectical thinking. Is this a problem with the method? Or are we, after all, too tied up in empirics?

        IMHO, overall strong and correct thoughts. Just need to figure out what to do with it :)
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          14 September 2023 12: 02
          +5
          No, not exactly a method winked
          There is a suspicion that the focus on empirical methods is associated with a banal overload of information. Computer modeling, which today relies on absolutely fantastic performance, is supposed to untie this knot. But something is getting in the way, maybe the skills of that philosophical thinking that was characteristic of Antiquity have disappeared - i.e. universalism and "totality".
      2. Doctor
        Doctor 14 September 2023 11: 59
        +4
        So in the West there is no ideology.

        Of course there is.

        You formulated the main question correctly:
        It is easy to imagine the current political management in the West as a kind of herd of cretins, but the question arises: how did this herd manage to form and promote the concept of the “Third Pole”, about which the author often wrote, in the Middle East and India?


        And we almost found the answer:
        What if these processes in the West, for example, have not just an economic, but a religious-economic background?


        Sociology answered the question of Western hegemony and prosperity through the mouth of Max Weber in his work “The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.”
        The West hegemonizes and prospers because it tries to live according to the commandments of Christ.

        "The Autobiography" of Benjamin Franklin is a reference book for American school students, but they learn things like this from it by heart in elementary school:

        Here are the names of these virtues with corresponding instructions:

        1. Abstinence. - Do not eat to the point of satiety, do not drink to the point of intoxication.
        2. Silence. - Say only what can benefit me or another; avoid empty talk.
        3. Order. - Keep all your things in their places; Have your own time for each lesson.
        4. Determination. - Decide to do what needs to be done; strictly carry out what is decided.
        5. Thrift. - Spend money only on what benefits me or others, that is, do not waste anything.
        6. Hard work. - Don't waste time; be always busy with something useful; refuse all unnecessary actions.
        7. Sincerity. - Do not cause harmful deception, have pure and fair thoughts; also adhere to this rule in conversation.
        8. Justice. - Do not harm anyone; do not commit injustice and do not omit good deeds, which are among your duties.
        9. Moderation. - Avoid extremes; restrain, as far as you consider it appropriate, feelings of resentment from injustice.
        10. Cleanliness. - Avoid bodily uncleanliness; Maintain neatness in clothing and home.
        11. Calmness. - Do not worry about trifles and about ordinary or unavoidable cases.
        12. Chastity. — .....................
        13. Modesty. - Imitate Jesus and Socrates.
        hi
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          14 September 2023 12: 27
          +3
          To some extent, radical Protestantism is a legacy of late Stoicism. The current consumer culture is a kind of legacy of Epicureanism. They are weakly compatible, and in a number of works of the Western philosophical school these contradictions were considered, even in the sense that the tilt towards Epicureanism will sooner or later end badly.
          1. Doctor
            Doctor 14 September 2023 13: 52
            +2
            To some extent, radical Protestantism is a legacy of late Stoicism. The current consumer culture is a kind of legacy of Epicureanism. They are weakly compatible, and in a number of works of the Western philosophical school these contradictions were considered, even in the sense that the tilt towards Epicureanism will sooner or later end badly.

            Yes Yes. laughing

            The California estate of the “epicurean” Elon Musk is No. 1 Forbes 2023 in the USA. 4,5 million dollars.


            A modest house on the Cote d'Azur of the "stoic" A. Melnichenko - No. 1 Forbs 2023 in the Russian Federation. 80 million dollars.


            Now it’s true, the house is under sanctions, maybe they’ll take it away altogether.
            Here you are right - the tendency towards epicureanism sooner or later ends badly, they can sometimes impale you. wink
            1. nikolaevskiy78
              14 September 2023 13: 58
              +1
              And Elon, our beacon, Musk, which wing does he belong to? Of course, he calls his children strange names, but in all other respects he does not particularly share the liberal agenda. For which it is actually criticized.
              1. Doctor
                Doctor 14 September 2023 15: 12
                0
                And Elon, our beacon, Musk, which wing does he belong to? Of course, he calls his children strange names, but in all other respects he does not particularly share the liberal agenda. For which it is actually criticized.

                Musk is a special case, but an illustrative one. Almost everyone there is like that. Upbringing is different wink .
                Guess where is the house of Presbyterian Warren Buffett (No. 5 Forbes), and where is the Komsomol member Abramovich (No. 21). laughing





                And think about why Buffett gave his fortune (37 yards, by the way) to charities. winked

                And why does our President swear on the Constitution, and theirs on the Bible? wink

                Maybe because in the USA, with all its LGBT people, 43% of the population regularly goes to church, and in our country - 7%?

                The West has no ideology, yeah....
                1. nikolaevskiy78
                  14 September 2023 15: 52
                  +3
                  So you are mixing religious dogma and ideology. These are different things. By the way, I wrote below on this topic.
                  But the current ultra-liberalism is precisely moving towards dogma and establishing axioms. It’s just that at first glance the difference is subtle, but it is there
                  1. Doctor
                    Doctor 14 September 2023 18: 11
                    +2
                    So you are mixing religious dogma and ideology. These are different things. By the way, I wrote below on this topic.
                    But the current ultra-liberalism is precisely moving towards dogma and establishing axioms. It’s just that at first glance the difference is subtle, but it is there

                    In this case, ideology stems from religion.

                    Luther wrote the 95 Theses in 1517, and William Belsham wrote the essay On Liberty and Necessity in 1789.
                    It took the idea of ​​freedom 272 years to migrate from religious dogma to ideology.

                    And now, yes, everything is connected. The Protestant branches of Christianity are liberalism in religion, and libertarianism is a child of Protestantism.

                    Well, the Russian Orthodox Church in the West is considered Orthodox. sad
                    1. nikolaevskiy78
                      14 September 2023 18: 32
                      +2
                      You are missing a whole layer of writings between Luther and Bechamp. And it is huge and debatable. And this is the main criterion.
                      1. Doctor
                        Doctor 14 September 2023 20: 14
                        +2
                        You are missing a whole layer of writings between Luther and Bechamp. And it is huge and debatable. And this is the main criterion.

                        Well, yes, it's huge. And it took a lot of time, I’m talking 272 years, to implant a simple thought, in principle, into people’s heads - you can live without a king. Just choose every year the most worthy from your environment. fool

                        And then off we go: freedom, equality, brotherhood...
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 14 September 2023 13: 15
        +3
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        So in the West there is no ideology.

        Like this? There is an idea of ​​absolute freedom even from biological sex. The ideology of individualism, private property and selfishness.
        And in the USA, in addition, there is the idea of ​​one’s own exclusivity. Everyone has heard very well about this.
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          14 September 2023 14: 01
          +4
          There is a difference between religious dogma and ideology. Ideas can change, be revised, and discussions can be held around them. But there is no longer any dogma around.
  2. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 14 September 2023 04: 52
    +3
    I didn’t see the answer to the main question in the title in the article.
  3. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 14 September 2023 05: 42
    +10
    The author is not at all sure that in this text he was able to cover the topic in detail. And this is hardly possible in principle, given the questions raised. However, if this helps someone even a little to look at what is happening outside the usual framework, this will already be a result. Modulo.

    The user is not at all sure that the publication of the article on the VO website will have the desired effect and, after reading the article, members of the government and government officials will rush to take emergency measures.
    It is absolutely clear to me, and people like me, that throwing pearls in front of Western swine is a waste of time. There is only one answer to such antics - the termination of the activities of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in such countries and the closure of Western borders with all the ensuing conclusions.
    You need to be friends with those who extend their hand and do not turn their dirty ass towards you.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 14 September 2023 07: 01
      +2
      Dear Yuri Vasilievich! I’ll tell you from my own experience... Somehow, in the early 90s or 2000, I don’t remember, I came across an article - then it was not interesting to me, I didn’t write on VO and I missed both the title and the author. BUT I noted the content. There the author wrote that an age of economic and cultural isolation is coming, when there will be no tourism or cultural exchange, and we will see other people’s lives only on TV screens. It explained why this was so, but this is already the tenth time. It is important that the person looked into the water. So we are present at the beginning of this century, it will be even worse.
      1. Adrey
        Adrey 14 September 2023 09: 52
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        So we are present at the beginning of this century, it will be even worse.

        Oh, how I would not like to Dear VS! Why? Check out my post below hi
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 14 September 2023 11: 02
          +2
          Quote: Adrey
          Oh how I wish I hadn't

          Do you think, Andrey, I would like this? I haven’t even visited half of the European museums yet... But, alas!
    2. Adrey
      Adrey 14 September 2023 09: 49
      +4
      Quote: ROSS 42
      It is absolutely clear to me, and people like me, that throwing pearls in front of Western swine is a waste of time. There is only one answer to such antics - the termination of the activities of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in such countries and the closure of Western borders with all the ensuing conclusions.

      My friend (who is much younger than me) once said a very smart thing: “Do you think I enjoy communicating with a lot of people? If it were up to me, I would reduce my social circle to 3-4 friends and enjoy it. But this will lead to the fact that the social circle will pupatuate and we will remain in our own little world without a vision of prospects and opportunities, while the rest of the world will move forward."
      That's so request hi
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 14 September 2023 05: 53
    +4
    The author is not at all sure that in this text he was able to cover the topic in detail.
    No, it didn’t work, “everything got mixed up in the Oblonskys’ house” (c)
    1. nikolaevskiy78
      14 September 2023 06: 23
      +8
      I had certain doubts when I wrote this material. Fursov, Dugin and S. Uralov, who approached this topic from a different angle, failed to do this in entire cycles of books and works. Therefore, criticism from the reader is completely appropriate. Another thing is that we must continue to try to understand and describe the system that confronts us. Otherwise, we will never know where Koshchei’s needle is hidden.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 14 September 2023 06: 37
        0
        Otherwise, we will never know where Koshchei’s needle is hidden.
        Yes, in an egg, an egg, in an egg, an egg in a duck, a duck in a hare, a hare in a casket, a casket on an oak tree. An oak tree on the island of Buyan. There is another name, capitalism. smile
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          14 September 2023 06: 42
          +8
          We are building capitalism according to the book Dunno on the Moon, but in the damned West the economic model can be called capitalist only with certain reservations.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 14 September 2023 09: 18
            +6
            There are no reservations there. The current type of economic model of the West has developed exclusively under the influence of the Soviet Union. And what we see now is its dismantling. As unnecessary. No social achievements are needed anymore, which means you can safely go back to the XNUMXth century. And that's the best case scenario.
          2. stroybat ZABVO
            stroybat ZABVO 14 September 2023 16: 05
            +3
            Greetings from Argentina.
            I left Russia 36 years ago. And upon arrival in Argentina, I had a “persistent idea” that “Neo-feudalism” was coming.
            That’s what I called for myself what I saw here.
            And, an almost complete rejection of the “State with Social Benefits”.
            On this, the “extreme right” completely agrees with the “extreme left.”
            And this is not a paradox.
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 14 September 2023 06: 54
        +5
        The author is not at all sure that in this text he was able to cover the topic in detail.
        Dear Nikolai! The main disadvantage of your material is that it is very large! It contains 20333 characters!!! Meanwhile, there are life-tested rules regarding how many characters an online article should contain. In a number of publications the minimum is 7,5. Maximum 9. At VO the minimum is 8 thousand, and the maximum, alas, is not limited. Meanwhile, if the material contains more than 14 thousand characters, then no matter how interesting it is, it will be unreadable. A person will forget the beginning of the beginning when he reaches the end. Sorry, but I didn't come up with this. This is in all textbooks on online journalism. But it is impossible to know everything in the world. You want the best, you want to be understood... But the result is often the opposite.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 14 September 2023 10: 06
          +4
          Quote: kalibr
          Meanwhile, if the material contains more than 14 thousand characters, then no matter how interesting it is, it will be unreadable. A person will forget the beginning of the beginning when he reaches the end.

          So what? They read novels and dissertations, but they do not lose the main idea; moreover, it only becomes stronger and more tangible after its comprehensive coverage. But if the topic is not interesting/not relevant/not covered/written too complicated, then 3 thousand is too much...
      3. kalibr
        kalibr 14 September 2023 07: 03
        0
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        Fursov, Dugin and S. Uralov, who approached this topic from a different angle, failed to do this in entire cycles of books and works.

        Do you think anyone here has read these authors?
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          14 September 2023 07: 05
          +7
          Why did you decide that none of the VO readers read them?
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 14 September 2023 08: 40
            +3
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            Why did you decide that none of the VO readers read them?

            I've been on the site since 2015, that's why. During all this time, only once (after all my persistent recommendations) did I see a link to the magazine MOTHERLAND and once to QUESTIONS OF HISTORY.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 14 September 2023 09: 09
              +5
              Vyacheslav Olegovich, you just spat in my soul! In the last week alone, I turned to the publication “Questions of History” twice (and, once, through a link from your publication). And the fact that I don’t link to this resource only speaks of my personal modesty...
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 14 September 2023 09: 18
                +4
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Vyacheslav Olegovich, you just spat in my soul! In the last week alone, I turned to the publication “Questions of History” twice (and, once, through a link from your publication). And the fact that I don’t link to this resource only speaks of my personal modesty...

                Anton! Please accept my deepest apologies. I didn't expect it, to be honest. But I’m glad I was wrong and glad you wrote it. Let me just make a remark about modesty: The French say: modesty is like underwear, you need to have it, but you shouldn’t show it.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 14 September 2023 09: 53
                  +3
                  I didn't expect it, to be honest.
                  In vain. Communication with Viktor Nikolaevich leads to a chronic search for sources and their cross-checking.
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 14 September 2023 12: 35
                  +2
                  The French say: modesty is like underwear, you should have it, but you shouldn't show it.
                  By the way, this is not a French proverb. A native speaker I know (indirectly) couldn’t even find links in French.
      4. Doccor18
        Doccor18 14 September 2023 09: 41
        +1
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        Another thing is that we must continue to try to understand and describe the system that confronts us.

        Yes, this needs to be done. But, in my opinion, it would be nice to understand ourselves, because we have been spinning around three pines for centuries, and we cannot get out of this vicious circle: “See Paris and die..”
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 14 September 2023 09: 56
          +3
          It is difficult to say whether our managerial and intellectual elite is even capable of putting aside (at least temporarily) their attitudes and bringing together economists, mathematicians and philosophers in order to simply develop a scheme for interaction and counteraction to this quasi-religious ancient mathematics, implicated in libertarianism, a synthesis of Greek and Hindu cosmogony .

          But it’s difficult for me to understand where our elites are leading and what they want...
      5. cpls22
        cpls22 16 September 2023 13: 38
        0
        Otherwise, we will never know where Koshchei’s needle is hidden.

        Perhaps this report will shed light on the problem - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRBvYyi5BRk
        We are talking about a whole system of established education and replenishment of the governing elites. Much of what Oleg Yanovsky talks about in his report “Education of the British Elite” was previously intuitively understood, but assumptions and suspicions were not confirmed by real facts. This is natural, because this system is closed, closed on itself.
        As for the philosophical foundations it uses, it is worth paying attention to its external expansion, which began in our country in the 90s. We are talking about the “New Acropolis” school, where everything is orderly, beautiful, and still exists in many cities of the Russian Federation. This is, so to speak, a representative option. They call themselves Neoplatonists.
        https://www.newacropol.ru/na/about/ - вот здесь можно полюбопытствовать. Не ВШЭ единой нас "цивилизовать" пытались.
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          16 September 2023 20: 03
          +1
          Thanks for the link. I remember O. Yanovsky's releases. What I could add here is to narrow the direction of the model search. Neoplatonism is too broad and therefore the search inevitably goes into late Gnostics. Here we need to look at more specific schools, in particular Iamblichus the Chalcedonian. What else can be added - works from this period are collected, purchased, transferred around the world using funds from Soros foundations. Research, collections and conferences are paid for. And since the mid-1990s.
          1. cpls22
            cpls22 16 September 2023 21: 09
            0
            What else can be added - works from this period are collected, purchased, transferred around the world using funds from Soros foundations. Research, collections and conferences are paid for. And since the mid-1990s.

            - this says a lot.
            In general, it is very important to understand your opponent’s structure of thought in order to properly formulate criticism. Sometimes immanent criticism is enough to prevent the confrontation from moving into the phase of blind mutual destruction. Because criticism from ideologically alien positions is perceived as a call for struggle or isolation. In this case, both are doomed to failure, because the one who can get into the enemy’s head wins. Let it be us. By the way, the recruitment of the “Cambridge Four” is the result of precisely such thoughtful understanding.
            1. nikolaevskiy78
              17 September 2023 01: 34
              +1
              In Russia, E. Afonasin, A. Afonasina, A. Shchetnikov have been engaged in translation and information collection for a long time at the Novosibirsk University.
              You can directly search for works by name in a search engine. This is the best thing we have from the “academic”.
              Collections of works where you can get acquainted with the source texts
              ΣΧΟΛΗ (Schole). Philosophical antiquity and classical tradition. Ancient Philosophy and the Classical Traditio
              But it is clear that the system is not analyzed as economic and management models, but there are accurate translations and rare ones.
              Honestly, this is the maximum that we have on this topic in the Russian segment. There are, of course, many more English works.
  5. north 2
    north 2 14 September 2023 05: 54
    +5
    Already yesterday, the so-called FBK fell to its knees and begged the governments of the three Baltic nests of Russophobia so that they would not confiscate cars with Russian state registration numbers when Russian cars cross state-owned roads. borders. And since Navalny’s gang, everyone from the leader to the last shabby, considers themselves intellectuals, like the whole pack of Kasparovs and Pugachevs, then in the light of today’s article, I would like to remind you of Pelevin’s statement of who they are, these SUCH intellectuals. The bottom line is that THEN there were several million of them and they received a salary from the Red Dragon for kissing the Red Dragon's ass. But they hated this Red Dragon and, having agreed with the Green Toad, poisoned this Red Dragon with the poison received from this Green Toad and began to serve this toad. They thought NOW. that they will also kiss the ass of the Green Toad with a crooked face, as well as the Red Dragon, and for this they will all receive a salary from her. But no! It turns out that now they need not several million, but only a few hundred and they must be selected on the basis of a competition and the toad should not kiss the ass, but give her a deep blowjob, and this should be done with a happy smile on his face and with eyes glowing with pleasure ...
    So what happens NOW? THESE intellectuals NOW were beaming with a smile and NOW were beaming with happiness while doing all this to the Green Toad, but the toad underestimated this and will demand something else from THESE intellectuals???
  6. ivan2022
    ivan2022 14 September 2023 05: 54
    +2
    But what is incomprehensible here?
    What has always been is what is...

    The West is building its colonial Empire. From the times of ancient Rome to the present day, nothing has changed. The empire is falling apart, but new builders are coming..... This is their way of life.

    The natives obey not necessarily because they are weaker, but because they do not have their own ideas... And their leaders sell their fellow tribesmen into slavery for a box of rum.

    Or this: the idea of ​​the native leaders is a complement to the idea of ​​the colonialists - to trade territories and fellow tribesmen.

    This has always been and is. Here, too, there is absolutely nothing new in principle.

    And all the speculation is from the evil one.
    Lord deliver us from the evil one!
  7. Nikolay Malyugin
    Nikolay Malyugin 14 September 2023 06: 47
    +3
    Only a strong military defense, where strategic, biological, chemical protection at the highest level can resolve all these disputes. But for this, healthcare must correspond to the entire line of defense. And education at the highest level. Then we will have to speak in ordinary human words. Why not attracts like human communication. This is precisely why the USSR attracted other countries of the world. But for this you need to have all the protective measures.
    1. nikolaevskiy78
      14 September 2023 06: 50
      +7
      If you are opposed by a system that knows how to control human desire, then no strategic defense will help you. Because you yourself will place flags that you yourself will not go beyond.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 14 September 2023 07: 10
        +5
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        If you are opposed by a system that knows how to control human desire, then no strategic defense will help you. Because you yourself will place flags that you yourself will not go beyond.

        But this is 100% true. I have a textbook for universities, “Technologies for Managing Public Opinion.” It describes in detail how this is done, using examples from personal experience in PR work, when we famously managed the opinion of an entire area.
      2. Pushkowed
        Pushkowed 14 September 2023 08: 26
        +8
        If you are up against a system that knows how to control human desire...
        In addition to desires, people also have opportunities. Or they don't exist.

        The enemy will not press the button if you take away his hand

        Perhaps one of the most promising ways to counter such a system is to use what is called “vulgar materialism.” After all, the system has a combined material-religious (or material-quasi-religious) nature. Within certain limits, it equalizes thoughts and matter, subtle and gross. But thoughts do not exist without brains (material objects). But brains without thoughts can very well exist. They do exist. If you look more globally, at the entire society (and its thoughts / desires / ideology) as a whole, then it exists due to the fact that there is a place to exist. Our planet is a material object. Without him, none of this would have happened. But the opposite is not true. Beyond a certain border behind certain checkboxes, the subtle and the gross are no longer equal. And not only modulo. The quasi-religious component of the system cannot go beyond such flags initially. And these flags have already been placed, and not by her.
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          14 September 2023 08: 35
          +7
          This is a most valuable remark. hi
          I'll have to think about this. It looks like you hit the center of the target.
      3. 27091965
        27091965 14 September 2023 09: 12
        +3
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        If you are opposed by a system that knows how to control human desire, then no strategic defense will help you. Because you yourself will place flags that you yourself will not go beyond.

        The confrontation between two systems cannot consist only of an exchange of opinions; sooner or later, “flags” will begin to poison both systems; it simply cannot be otherwise. This is the meaning of the confrontation, to introduce restrictions that will influence the enemy in various fields of activity.
  8. Sanktperburg1812
    Sanktperburg1812 14 September 2023 07: 35
    0
    I started reading and could only get through the first third. It is unclear what the author wanted to tell or express. A set of some complex sentences and phrases.
    In general, heh... it’s kind of empty.
  9. Pushkowed
    Pushkowed 14 September 2023 07: 50
    +6
    Such a moment: if 1 barrel of oil = 10000 thoughts about a barrel of oil... then why do you need to pump oil? After all, it can be produced from thoughts. It’s much easier, faster, cheaper, and it will never run out. But they still pump oil. The material still takes precedence over the intangible under certain conditions.

    This means that any concept, system, idea there is a limit to applicability. The limit beyond which it does not work. To put an equal sign between something and something, both objects being compared are needed.

    And the method of struggle is as old as the idea of ​​struggle itself: to find the limits and act there.
    1. Fat
      Fat 14 September 2023 15: 58
      +1
      hi Hello Ian...
      Quote: Pushkowed
      The material still takes precedence over the intangible under certain conditions.

      This means that any concept, system, idea there is a limit to applicability. The limit beyond which it does not work. To put an equal sign between something and something, both objects being compared are needed.

      And the method of struggle is as old as the idea of ​​struggle itself: to find the limits and act there.

      Cough! The author touched on the “problem of scales” a little, without revealing the essence of the “problem”. And the problem of weights is the first of the premises of more than binary logic...
      Ternary logic with three fuzzy values ​​is of high practical interest, since any information measured (for example, through sensors) is correct only with a certain tolerance, that is, in a certain range of values. Examples of the values ​​of such logics can be triples (“less”, “equal, within tolerance”, “greater than”), (“slope to the left”, “straight, within acceptable limits”, “slope to the right”), (“cold”, “cool”, “hot”) and others.
      The author makes full use of the Aristotelian law of the excluded middle, fully aware that the scales can be balanced, that is, be in just the third state winked
      1. nikolaevskiy78
        14 September 2023 16: 27
        0
        They dug deep. I was afraid to go further. You probably remember the famous Pythagorean square,
        1 2 3
        4 5 6
        7 8 9
        Here he reveals the theme of scales in the understanding of that time. Now this matrix is ​​used for some almost numerological purposes. Essentially trivializing the idea.
  10. Million
    Million 14 September 2023 08: 08
    +7
    We are being calculated, but we are not being read.

    Our boys can’t calculate. They don’t have enough intelligence. Everyone around them is their own and there are no smart ones among them. They are cunning, greedy, deceitful, resourceful, but not smart.
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 14 September 2023 08: 38
      +1
      Quote: Million
      We are being calculated, but we are not being read.

      Our boys can’t calculate. They don’t have enough intelligence. Everyone around them is their own and there are no smart ones among them. They are cunning, greedy, deceitful, resourceful, but not smart.

      There are no others. For it is said: “and for whom else?..”
  11. kor1vet1974
    kor1vet1974 14 September 2023 08: 15
    +5
    Fursov, Dugin and S. Uralov, who approached this topic from a different angle
    Just a hell of a mixture laughing They are from different baskets.
  12. populist
    populist 14 September 2023 09: 56
    +5
    The article is very good and high quality.
    I read to the end with difficulty, but not because of complexity, but because of the desire to quickly answer individual “thoughts - bricks.” But first, about the essence, about the main idea of ​​the article.
    1) In the West they know that life is ruled not only by economics, but also by ideas (ideology) in varying degrees of prevalence.
    2) We don’t know or understand this.
    3) The author calls for awareness of this new (old) paradigm. Then the Western model of the future and methods for its implementation will be clear.

    The author's call is correct, but turned into emptiness. The respected author rates the intellectual level of the ruling elite extremely highly. This is an erroneous judgment. They are not able to understand. But you won’t be able to redirect their attention.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 14 September 2023 10: 58
      +3
      Quote: populist
      highly appreciates the intellectual level of the ruling elite. This is an erroneous judgment.

      By the way, we have been convinced of this more than once!
  13. Aleprok
    Aleprok 14 September 2023 11: 29
    +1
    very interesting, but... nothing is clear (((this run should be tried to be voiced at a philosophical symposium
    1. nikolaevskiy78
      14 September 2023 11: 33
      +5
      Yes, it turned out a little damp. In some justification, I can say that no one has yet been able to “bake this topic well.” We will work, what can we say? winked
  14. Engineer
    Engineer 14 September 2023 12: 11
    +1
    What if these processes in the West, for example, have not just an economic, but a religious-economic background? That's it, the methods won't work.
    Who studies religion here, in addition to specialized theological disciplines? Philosophers and historians who do not know or understand economics. And economists, in principle, do not understand how religious concepts influence social production.

    The author puts the blame on his head.
    Western society is extremely rational. Any metaphysics from schizoid degenerates like Dugin or Prokhanov is generally alien to him.
    All the inconsistency of today's West is the vacillation between despair over missed short-term gains and the need to play for the long haul. That is, completely rational motives. The West is not burdened with torments such as how to make us feared, respected, but at the same time loved. He does not tell himself fairy tales about how a hostile environment prevents him from developing and about his special spirituality.
    As long as the bydlo hungers for ideology, without which he cannot easily stand in a stall and go to the slaughter, the West simply works. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. This is its civilizational advantage.
    1. nikolaevskiy78
      14 September 2023 12: 23
      +2
      You seem to have forgotten that the term metaphysics itself was not invented in the North or East, but in the same damned West in the 5th century AD. Therefore, to say that everyone there is rational and “doesn’t know how to metaphysics” is, well, quite strange.
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 14 September 2023 12: 40
        0
        The exercises of philosophers and Realpolitik are suddenly different things.
        And you have just another battle of “priests of techno-magical civilizations” planned
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          14 September 2023 12: 58
          +2
          And it’s not just me, a lot has already been written about this, but I just can’t find the model. The fact that there is a gopher is already felt by many; it is a problem to see. But there is a gopher himself.
          1. Engineer
            Engineer 14 September 2023 13: 16
            +1
            If someone saw (or God forbid felt) a gopher, this does not mean that it exists. Most likely, this someone simply overdid it with psychotropic substances or alcohol, like the unforgettable Dugin-Prokhanov couple.
            A real gopher, or rather an arctic fox, it is by no means metaphysical. These are the budget deficit, the transition to strategic defense at the front, the reactivation of junk like the T-62 and D-20, and a million who have left the country since the beginning of the Northern Military District. And much more.
            The Titanic crashed into an iceberg, but one of the passengers peers into the arriving waves and thinks: “Perhaps there is another, mystical explanation for all this?”
            1. nikolaevskiy78
              14 September 2023 13: 18
              +3
              It is precisely because we talk “about spirituality” with one hand, and rely on purely materialistic approaches with the other hand, that in the end those who know how to combine turn us and our politics like a Ferris wheel.
              1. Engineer
                Engineer 14 September 2023 13: 30
                +2
                No, you and your policies are being manipulated by people serving an authoritarian dictatorship. And you participate in this coven, delving into all sorts of metaphysical crap and asking any questions except those that are essentially.
                1. nikolaevskiy78
                  14 September 2023 13: 46
                  +3
                  You know, I feel sincere joy and some kind of existential relief from the realization that you are not being manipulated by people “serving an authoritarian dictatorship.” You have apparently reached the level of Bodhisattva and complete liberation from the burdens of Samsara. Someday I will try to go to a good Ashram and free myself there too. Still, you are right - one must strive to achieve the state of Buddhahood. good
                  1. Engineer
                    Engineer 14 September 2023 13: 58
                    +1
                    There are much simpler ways
                    But the Russian intellectual elite is not looking for easy ways, so I wish you luck laughing
                    1. nikolaevskiy78
                      14 September 2023 14: 04
                      +1
                      “Having completed our mental visit to the divine abodes of the Buddhist cosmos, let us prepare to visit the spheres of the sensory world, which are integrally associated with the negative forms of the existence of consciousness.

                      Narakas (hell-dwellers, pitch-dwellers), pretas (hungry ghosts) and animals are collectively defined as “negative”, “evil”, “unfortunate” forms of birth...
  15. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 14 September 2023 12: 14
    0
    I read while constantly rubbing my eyes. I couldn't understand what it was all about. and finally:
    The liberal model of the new type insists and will continue to repeat the opposite - the “subtle” is equal in weight to the “coarse”, one barrel of oil is equal to 10 thoughts about a barrel of oil. For everything is material in this model: both material and immaterial.

    Ugh, Lord! But I just don’t understand what kind of stream of consciousness this is! Another Russian intellectual has taken its toll and mutated into an intellectual. Just everything) Regarding brilliant insights and other mutators, or whatever they are.
    The poor author is allowed into Europe wearing only his underpants, and they must be torn. Oh my God, this is some kind of brilliant super-thought that we, due to the poverty of our minds, do not understand!! Yes, for some reason you don’t understand. And we are quite. This whole gap is happening because the West has firmly decided to destroy us, to kill Mr. Nikolaevsky physically. To do this, as you know, it is necessary to dehumanize Mr. Nikolaevsky from his children and household. But the herds of damned Russians roaming around Europe no matter what are absolutely not suitable here. In which only traitors who will endure everything should be allowed in, because they have nowhere to go. What a great passion is behind this subtle action, which Mr. Nikolaevsky does not catch up with!
    Well, that's the main thing. The West lured the Russian intelligentsia with the same stupid trick that it had been luring for centuries. He again stated that forty barrels of idle chatter is equal in value to a barrel of oil. And our disgraceful intelligentsia instantly went crazy, having lost their already small minds, and went to Gammeln to drown themselves with a pipe. In fact, there would be a road there if only they didn’t do so much harm to their chatter along the way...
    Well, what about our billions, which are now not ours... Well, yes. Our elite now is, to put it mildly, not an elite of intelligence. And it was not surpassed in some empyreans. She was simply abandoned, cheated on her fingers. The thinking of ancient city policies has absolutely nothing to do with it))
    1. nikolaevskiy78
      14 September 2023 12: 21
      +2
      Now, if you take and squeeze the juice out of your comment, you will get exactly the same monologue of Feklushi - “The West is rational and at the same time bad, because this is the limit set for them.” By the way, all this well illustrates the general problem - we do not understand who and what we are dealing with.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 14 September 2023 12: 41
        -2
        If you squeeze it out, this is what you get:
        Here I have a barrel of oil. I sit on it with my legs dangling. There is SOMEONE who needs this oil for heating. I don’t mind giving him oil, but at a fair price, in my opinion. And he has cultivated centgothards in himself, in which he is confident that my barrel of oil is worth forty barrels of his chatter. And he runs around me and mutters. It looks something like this
        -La-la-la-la... philosophy
        -Pay
        -La-la-la-la... a new vision of the world
        -Pay
        -La la la la...
        And so on. How could this situation develop? There will be a fork here. Three-toothed. The first tooth - the chatter will stop. Because the yap will freeze
        Second tooth. I will listen to the chatter, start trying to make sense of it, and I will be deceived. I will lose my barrel, and then they will finish me off so as not to disturb my delicate spiritual nature.
        The third tooth - the yap will fall silent and drag in the payment.
        Do you feel the incredible subtlety of analytics?) In fact, the key to the situation is mine, and only my decision. Because yap is just yap. And the only way to win is not to listen. Do not recognize any number of barrels of talk as valuable. And then everything will be either completely fine with a profit, or just fine, without losses.
        That's all the juice. As soon as a participant in communication begins to recognize chatter as an independent value, it is necessary, at a minimum, to take him by the wheeze and throw him out of the “discussion platform”. And if he is stubborn and annoying, then you should hit him heartily in the snout in a timely manner, before he persuades someone to attack me with his deceitful speeches. This is the juice, you understand...
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          14 September 2023 13: 02
          +3
          You wrote that you do not like this approach. I agree, who wants to make such unequal exchanges. And yet, in fact, this is precisely the exchange that occurs. Since we pay for it, and what we pay is a fact, it means the model works. There is a result - you pay, they get.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 14 September 2023 13: 10
            +1
            No, the model doesn't work. Because “we” (not us, I wouldn’t pay for much, it’s all of them)) pay as long as we can buy some other valuables with the amount paid for. Of course, we can try to remove the abstraction that underlies payment. This abstraction is called "money".
            But you are not calling for an understanding of what exactly can be used instead of this completely abstract quantity (although developments are, for example, a measure of energy into which money backed by it can be converted at any time). You are pushing the thesis according to which we must throw ourselves into a sea of ​​XNUMX% lies , lies, manipulations to “figure out” him. This is counterintuitive and funny. An intelligent person can offer this only in one case. If it benefits him)
            As Vladimir Ilyich used to say? If geometric theorems were profitable, they would be disputed, right?) Well, they promised you a picture of the world in which a sheet of your text will automatically turn into something like money, and... A sad story, in fact)
            1. nikolaevskiy78
              14 September 2023 13: 15
              0
              “Throwing yourself into the sea” does not need to be pushed - it has already happened. Everyone swims in this sea, periodically plunging headlong. Many people even like it.
              I just gave some thoughts on the fact that this sea has a source. And not just one, and “metaphysical” models matter.
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 14 September 2023 13: 17
            0
            And yes, more about abstractions. You and others like you have talked our elite into thinking that by selling oil and gas below cost, our elite will gain some influence. This turned out to be complete nonsense, like all the chatter about a “new vision of the world.” I view your article as an attempt to drown my vulgar joint in your usual sea of ​​nonsense)
            1. nikolaevskiy78
              14 September 2023 13: 22
              +2
              OK. I'll go to the oil workers for a share tomorrow. But you refused your share, so I’m crossing you off the dividend list good
  16. depressant
    depressant 14 September 2023 12: 59
    +3
    A modern philosopher reads some “Moderat of Gadira” and sees there a set of numbers, reflections on cosmogony and harmony, some relationships of prime numbers, although in front of him is an economic model, and a rather deep one.


    ...And then the barbarian federates came to ancient Rome, followed by the completely wild Huns, Visigoths, and then others, and successfully destroyed all these ancient reflections, culture, technology and the patricians themselves, so much so that only ruins remained for long “dark "centuries - a kind of post-ancient modernity in modern understanding...
    Simplicity is enough for every wise man, you know)))
    By the way, doesn’t it seem to those present that the barbarians have already come to us to feed on our “reflections”?

    And the article is very good, the style is excellent, the reflections are like a cart)))
    1. nikolaevskiy78
      14 September 2023 13: 19
      +2
      Thanks for rating!
      The topic, however, is very complicated and unusual. It was difficult to compose the material.
      1. depressant
        depressant 14 September 2023 14: 38
        +5
        Anything complex, multi-vector and multi-functional can be reduced to a simple one, which is often invisible. You can pore over untying the Gordian knot for a long time, but then a young commander comes, snatches the sword from its sheath, and the task is solved.
        Only modern Western sociology has a large toolkit in this regard, forged with the help of the experience of ancient, medieval and modern history. These tools are used to maintain the dominant position of a small group of super-rich - no matter what their background. These current ones will no longer allow themselves to be destroyed, as the Roman patricians, as well as the powerful people of the dark ages, allowed this to be done to them. From what century do today's aristocrats trace their ancestry without advertising this fact? Since the XNUMXth century! They survived! The current ones have the experience of an absolute monarchy that retreated and accepted new conditions, successfully fitting into them in order to survive behind the scenes. What experience does the current industrial aristocracy use to survive together with the landed aristocracy that has gone into the shadows, but has not gone anywhere? The purchase of huge lands, epidemics of the early Middle Ages, man-made disasters that could change climatic conditions, which together lead to a reduction in population, as well as the invasion of barbarians in order to reduce the demands of the survivors - look how many tools! And they are all clearly visible, because they lie on the surface, and no one is trying to use them under the counter anymore. As they say, cards are on the table! They and we...
        And cosmology is for us, they say, have fun, naive ones, look for meanings, maybe you will become shamans and sorcerers in the era of the new Dark Ages, and at that time we will establish absolute power, unprecedented in history, over the remnants of you.
  17. runway-1
    runway-1 14 September 2023 14: 13
    +1
    Of course, one should not underestimate the so-called. ideological superstructure and reduce everything to the so-called. material basis. They complement each other and work together, but in different historical periods their balance (ratio) may change. In other words, the material and socio-psychological play different roles and have greater or lesser significance (influence) relative to each other.
  18. Force multiplier
    Force multiplier 14 September 2023 14: 48
    +3
    Good article. It's like that.
    Judging by the style, the author himself knows perfectly well the answers to the questions posed concerning intellectuals and the elite
  19. Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. 14 September 2023 15: 45
    +4
    In principle, the article is complex on the one hand, and simple on the other. For well-read, inquisitive people interested in everything, how and why it’s simple. And for those who, no offense intended, read only railway or airline schedules and don’t need anything else, it’s difficult for them to understand and understand.
    But in my opinion, the desires on both sides of the border are the same. Ninety percent of the people here and there have a good house, a good wife, good children, savings, a car, that is, material wealth and they don’t need any philosophy about the meaning of life.
    The remaining 10% are scientists, philosophers, inventors, politicians, artists, writers, poets. soldier
  20. populist
    populist 14 September 2023 21: 26
    0
    The Western image of the future for the whole world and the methodology for creating this future have been discussed quite a lot and in detail in leftist discourse over the past 30 years. Here the author is knocking on an open door.
    1. nikolaevskiy78
      15 September 2023 04: 24
      +1
      Disciplinary behavior will destroy them. Here is Komolov, an excellent author, an excellent base. Everything seems to be stated correctly. But in fact, into milk. They don't understand how models where there are religious factors work.
  21. dump22
    dump22 14 September 2023 23: 22
    +3
    Our propaganda screams: “Russia does not want war.”


    You never know what our propaganda screams.
    This is all for recording and misleading enemies.
    And here at VO, the overwhelming majority of commentators directly read this all the time - that we need to end this vague SVO and start a full-fledged war.
    1. nikolaevskiy78
      15 September 2023 04: 25
      +3
      This is the very result I wrote about. This is reactive perception.
      1. dump22
        dump22 15 September 2023 13: 25
        +2
        This is reactive perception.


        Yes, this is exactly my perception now. And it seems to me that this is the case for the majority of the VO audience.
        Because many people (including myself) are in a state of “quiet hysteria”.
        And I’m not very inclined to discuss ancient philosophy and game theory, which is what you propose in the article.
        1. nikolaevskiy78
          15 September 2023 14: 10
          +3
          Or maybe it’s not configured in vain? After all, one way or another, you need to ask questions and look for answers.
          1. dump22
            dump22 15 September 2023 14: 42
            +3
            And it may very well be that you are right.
            But then this is not where you need to be.

            Over the past year and a half, the VO audience has changed quite dramatically, serious analysis has almost completely disappeared (but almost pure propaganda has begun to pour in), people come here not to reflect and share fresh ideas, but rather to shout.
            1. nikolaevskiy78
              15 September 2023 14: 52
              +4
              But many of the comments to this material turned out to be both informative and informative. Look in the center, there aren’t very many of them, but the article itself turned out to be quite long, drawn-out and far from successful in everything. This also needs to be taken into account. The topic is too broad and not very familiar. And propaganda... you see what’s happening, it won’t work without it now.