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The Telegram channel reports the alleged seizure of the latest T-90M tank by the Russian Armed Forces during the battles near Rabotino.

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The Telegram channel reports the alleged seizure of the latest T-90M tank by the Russian Armed Forces during the battles near Rabotino.

According to some reports, Ukrainian formations, during battles in the area of ​​the village of Rabotino on the Orekhovsky sector of the front in the Zaporozhye direction, were able to capture the newest T-90M tank of the Russian Armed Forces. This is, in particular, reported by the Telegram channel “Military Informant,” which covers the events of a special military operation.


As noted in the message of the Telegram channel, the crew tankUnfortunately, it was not possible to destroy the abandoned combat vehicle. The details of the alleged tank seizure are unknown. If the information is correct, then this, unfortunately, is not the first T-90M tank that fell into enemy hands.

Previously, the same tank was captured during the regrouping of Russian troops in the Kharkov direction in 2022. Then the captured T-90M was handed over to the 30th separate mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.


At the same time, the Telegram channel notes, losses of these tanks in good condition are extremely rare. There may be only a few known cases, which is an insignificant number given the duration and intensity of the armed conflict in Ukraine.

The T-90M tank is a modernized version of the T-90A tank. This modification was first presented to the public at the international military-technical forum Army 2018. In the spring of 2020, the first T-90M tanks began to arrive in the ground forces of the Russian Armed Forces, and in 2022 they began to be used in the combat zone during a special military operation.
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Telegram channel "Military Informant", Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Vrotkompot
    Vrotkompot 9 September 2023 10: 17
    -10
    That is, the function “Make a brick out of a tank when it leaves” turns out to be basically not implemented? I had a better opinion of our designers.
    1. poquello
      poquello 9 September 2023 10: 25
      +8
      Quote from Vrotkompot
      That is, the function “Make a brick out of a tank when it leaves”

      Yes, there is no retreat as such, some kind of bullshit, again they probably covered it with branches in the forest in the hope of taking it out later
      1. Vrotkompot
        Vrotkompot 9 September 2023 10: 33
        +8
        That is, in such cases, you need to leave the tank in working condition, and not pull out some chip so that the tank cannot be moved from its place. If you move it, would it explode the ammunition? ))
        1. poquello
          poquello 9 September 2023 10: 43
          +2
          Quote from Vrotkompot
          That is, in such cases, you need to leave the tank in working condition, and not pull out some chip so that the tank cannot be moved from its place. If you move it, would it explode the ammunition? ))

          tanks with ammunition are not standing, moreover, they are loading quantities with a small margin to solve the task, and they are probably empty
          1. Mikhail Ivanov
            Mikhail Ivanov 11 September 2023 01: 46
            0
            If this information is confirmed, then the question again arises of how the latest tank is left on the battlefield without being destroyed. And the second strange moment, how did the Ukrainian capture him? Rabotino itself is in the lowlands and our tanks are definitely not there. We stand on three heights around and shoot through everything, including from tanks. If the tank is captured, it turns out that the Ukrainian went to one of the heights and then left from there, taking the tank. Or the second option - we lost the height, but none of the illuminators gave such information ...
            A strange story overall. In my opinion, this is disinformation for tanker’s day from TsIPSO...
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 12 September 2023 12: 00
              0
              If the T-90M tank is really captured, then a lot of questions arise. And the main question is whether there have been changes in the front line?
      2. ZhEK-Vodogrey
        ZhEK-Vodogrey 9 September 2023 10: 39
        -12
        Quote: poquello
        some kind of bullshit, again they probably covered it with branches in the forest in the hope of taking it out later

        The T-90M was lost in Rabotino; ours tried to finish it off with the Lancet.

        1. Whip
          Whip 9 September 2023 13: 27
          +17
          Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
          The T-90M was lost in Rabotino; ours tried to finish it off with the Lancet.

          When did they try to finish off the T-90M?
          The top photo (from the Zaporozhye Front) with a T-90M (similar to the Cape) appeared on the Internet on August 22 of this year,
          In the photo below it looks like Bradley to me
          1. ZhEK-Vodogrey
            ZhEK-Vodogrey 9 September 2023 17: 05
            +2
            On August 22.08, our tank was lost and they tried to finish it off. Failed. Khinzirs came to Bradley to get the tank.
            1. Whip
              Whip 9 September 2023 20: 13
              +5
              Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
              22.08 our tank was lost and tried to finish off


              To be more precise, on August 22.08, the Ukrainians looked into this case, because... some sources indicated that this is a Slovenian M-55S,
              This video has already appeared on our resources on August 21.08,
              And in this video you can see that a tank similar to the T-90M is flying in, and apparently with serious consequences,
              Therefore, we can say that if there was a capture of the T-90M (which could move under its own power), then ours corrected this mistake,
              How it really was shrouded in the fog of war.

              https://glav.su/forum/5/2417/6914643#message6914643
              1. Whip
                Whip 9 September 2023 20: 34
                +11
                Quote: Whip
                This video has already appeared on our resources on August 21.08


                And these messages talked about Svatovo and Kremennaya, and not about Rabotino,
                That’s why it turns out that “not a million, but a hundred rubles, and I didn’t win, but lost.”
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 9 September 2023 10: 54
        +29
        As practice shows, we can fall in love and lose anything. Our group found Kord, which the neighboring regiment had lost. They already wanted to give it to their infantry, but then on the way out someone told the neighbors and the owners were found. The numbers were checked and given back. Although they couldn’t explain to us how they lost him. But our own infantry was offended at us because we didn’t give it to them.
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 9 September 2023 11: 22
          +8
          In war, losing and falling in love with something is not uncommon. And in any army. A well-known fact during the Second World War, the Germans captured our Katyushas and T-34s unharmed. And even the use of these tanks. It is also well known that these acquisitions did not help the Nazis. So it is now. Although of course it’s not pleasant, there’s no doubt about it.
        2. Repellent
          Repellent 11 September 2023 02: 10
          0
          Quote: g1v2
          Our group found Kord, which the neighboring regiment had lost

          It's good that I found it.

          Quote: g1v2
          How they lost him, they couldn’t explain to us

          They will explain this “shut up, shut up.” Or what are they called now? I'm not into modern trends.

          And the fact that fighters can fall in love with everything that is not sewn into the body is the ABC... we read it, we know.
    2. Escariot
      Escariot 9 September 2023 10: 46
      +6
      Quote from Vrotkompot
      That is, the function “Make a brick out of a tank when it leaves” turns out to be basically not implemented? I had a better opinion of our designers.

      Naturally this function exists. Made in the form of cardboard and a couple of liters of gasoline/solar. Another thing is that it is not always possible to use it, because until the last moment the hope remains to drag the entrusted property to the rear for subsequent repairs.
      1. Repellent
        Repellent 9 September 2023 14: 35
        -2
        Quote from Escariot
        Naturally this function exists. Made in the form of cardboard and a couple of liters of gasoline / diesel fuel

        Another fan of “setting fire to a tank with a couple of liters of diesel fuel.” Tell us in more detail, where do you plan to pour it, how to set it on fire? Here you go very interesting Yes laughing
        1. Escariot
          Escariot 9 September 2023 14: 46
          +2
          Quote: Repellent
          Quote from Escariot
          Naturally this function exists. Made in the form of cardboard and a couple of liters of gasoline / diesel fuel

          Another fan of “setting fire to a tank with a couple of liters of diesel fuel.” Tell us in more detail, where do you plan to pour it, how to set it on fire? Here you go very interesting Yes laughing

          And watch the video from the Yemeni Houthis. There are detailed instructions there.
          1. Repellent
            Repellent 9 September 2023 15: 08
            0
            Quote from Escariot
            Quote: Repellent
            Quote from Escariot
            Naturally this function exists. Made in the form of cardboard and a couple of liters of gasoline / diesel fuel

            Another fan of “setting fire to a tank with a couple of liters of diesel fuel.” Tell us in more detail, where do you plan to pour it, how to set it on fire? Here you go very interesting Yes laughing

            And watch the video from the Yemeni Houthis. There are detailed instructions there.

            Link to the studio. How do you put it there -

            Quote from Escariot
            The burden of proof is on the claimants

            In-in. Exactly Yes

            And yes, I served in the tank troops, if only wink laughing
            1. Escariot
              Escariot 9 September 2023 16: 06
              -1
              Quote: Repellent
              Quote from Escariot
              Quote: Repellent
              Quote from Escariot
              Naturally this function exists. Made in the form of cardboard and a couple of liters of gasoline / diesel fuel

              Another fan of “setting fire to a tank with a couple of liters of diesel fuel.” Tell us in more detail, where do you plan to pour it, how to set it on fire? Here you go very interesting Yes laughing

              And watch the video from the Yemeni Houthis. There are detailed instructions there.

              Link to the studio. How do you put it there -

              Quote from Escariot
              The burden of proof is on the claimants

              In-in. Exactly Yes

              And yes, I served in the tank troops, if only wink laughing

              1. Repellent
                Repellent 9 September 2023 16: 20
                0
                Decided to be concise? Well... this video is about how the guys lit a fire on the driver's seat (11.00 and further on in the video). We lit it for a long time, the effect is clear. This video has something to do with the destruction of a tank... a little less than nothing laughing
                1. Escariot
                  Escariot 9 September 2023 16: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Repellent
                  Decided to be concise? Well... this video is about how the guys lit a fire on the driver's seat (11.00 and further on in the video). We lit it for a long time, the effect is clear. This video has something to do with the destruction of a tank... a little less than nothing laughing

                  Do you think that after the fire in the place of the driver, the tank will be combat-ready or will it require serious repairs?
                  1. Repellent
                    Repellent 9 September 2023 19: 05
                    0
                    Quote from Escariot
                    Do you think that after the fire in the place of the driver, the tank will be combat-ready or will it require serious repairs?

                    I can’t vouch for its combat effectiveness... but it certainly won’t require serious repairs.
                2. Escariot
                  Escariot 9 September 2023 17: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Repellent
                  Decided to be concise? Well... this video is about how the guys lit a fire on the driver's seat (11.00 and further on in the video). We lit it for a long time, the effect is clear. This video has something to do with the destruction of a tank... a little less than nothing laughing

                  And I also have a question for you, as a real tanker. You and I know that the main ammunition of Soviet MBTs is located in a mechanized ammunition rack in the turret. So what will happen to combustible cartridges from powder charges if they are doused with gasoline and set on fire? Will they ignite or will the combustible cartridge case withstand such abuse?
                  1. Repellent
                    Repellent 9 September 2023 19: 14
                    -1
                    Quote from Escariot
                    What will happen to combustible cartridges from powder charges if they are doused with gasoline and set on fire?


                    On the left is AZ T72 / T90. The cartridges, like the shells, are under the protective cover. The polyk is metal.

                    The flag is in your hands to set fire to these cartridges with “a couple of liters of diesel fuel” Yes laughing
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                    2. Escariot
                      Escariot 9 September 2023 23: 06
                      -2
                      Quote: Repellent
                      Quote from Escariot
                      What will happen to combustible cartridges from powder charges if they are doused with gasoline and set on fire?


                      On the left is AZ T72 / T90. The cartridges, like the shells, are under the protective cover. The polyk is metal.

                      The flag is in your hands to set fire to these cartridges with “a couple of liters of diesel fuel” Yes laughing


                      So here they are, practically in the public domain.
                      1. Repellent
                        Repellent 9 September 2023 23: 13
                        -1
                        Quote from Escariot
                        So here they are, practically in the public domain

                        This is a photo not of a tank, but of a simulator. "Tank in section". Fail, repeat laughing
                      2. Escariot
                        Escariot 10 September 2023 00: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: Repellent
                        Quote from Escariot
                        So here they are, practically in the public domain

                        This is a photo not of a tank, but of a simulator. "Tank in section". Fail, repeat laughing

                        Not at all. I sent you a screenshot that I could find, but you didn’t send anything other than your words. We are waiting for evidence that this is a “cutaway tank.”
                      3. Repellent
                        Repellent 10 September 2023 00: 05
                        -9
                        Quote from Escariot
                        Not at all. I sent you a screenshot that I could find

                        You sent a photo of the simulator. I used something like this when I served, for its intended purpose - to train my beloved personnel. Don't mess with me, buddy.

                        Quote from Escariot
                        We are waiting for evidence that this is a “cutaway tank”

                        Right now I’ll drop everything and start eliminating your illiteracy. I'll just iron the laces Yes laughing
                      4. Escariot
                        Escariot 10 September 2023 05: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Repellent
                        Quote from Escariot
                        Not at all. I sent you a screenshot that I could find

                        You sent a photo of the simulator. I used something like this when I served, for its intended purpose - to train my beloved personnel. Don't mess with me, buddy.

                        Quote from Escariot
                        We are waiting for evidence that this is a “cutaway tank”

                        Right now I’ll drop everything and start eliminating your illiteracy. I'll just iron the laces Yes laughing

                        Those. you refuse to back up your words with facts. Clear.
                      5. Repellent
                        Repellent 10 September 2023 18: 26
                        -4
                        Quote from Escariot
                        Those. you refuse to back up your words with facts. Clear

                        Troll detected. Good luck hi
              2. Goto
                Goto 11 September 2023 07: 38
                0
                Here are some more instructions on how to destroy a tank.
    3. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 9 September 2023 11: 27
      +4
      It is impossible to disable absolutely everything on a tank and provide for it in the design. Electronic brains are quite possible, individual precision instruments are possible, but the enemy will still receive information and a lot - about accurate armor, maneuverability, approximate awareness, electronic components used in the equipment and the approximate capabilities of this equipment, mine resistance, etc.
      A lot of information, in short. But to drag you away from the battlefield - they will drag you away, fortunately our tanks are not Challenger, they are much easier..
  2. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 9 September 2023 10: 17
    -1
    There are fewer and fewer old T-72s in the Northern Military District, and more and more new T-90s.
    Shot down and destroyed (by kamikaze drones or grenades from drones, mostly)
    The T-90 is no longer a sensation.
    But capturing the whole is rare, of course.
    1. poquello
      poquello 9 September 2023 10: 21
      -3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Shot down and destroyed (by kamikaze drones or grenades from drones, mostly)
      The T-90 is no longer a sensation.

      Do you have data on how many were destroyed?
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 9 September 2023 10: 30
        +4
        Quote: poquello
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Shot down and destroyed (by kamikaze drones or grenades from drones, mostly)
        The T-90 is no longer a sensation.

        Do you have data on how many were destroyed?

        On Oryx, the losses of both sides are counted, which are recorded by video footage. Of course, the real losses on both sides are higher. Not everything is recorded.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 9 September 2023 10: 39
          -1
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          On Oryx, the losses of both sides are counted, which are recorded by video footage.

          Did not know. But https://lostarmour.info/ also counts.
          1. Escariot
            Escariot 9 September 2023 10: 51
            +2
            Quote: Rumata
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            On Oryx, the losses of both sides are counted, which are recorded by video footage.

            Did not know. But https://lostarmour.info/ also counts.

            Maybe I have some kind of different lostarmor, but they only count the losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but there are literally no losses of the RF Armed Forces at all. Accordingly, we cannot compare the performance of these two sites in any way.
            1. Barmaglot_07
              Barmaglot_07 11 September 2023 04: 53
              -1
              Quote from Escariot
              Accordingly, we cannot compare the performance of these two sites in any way.

              Here is an example comparison: https://ioncore.dreamwidth.org/99394.html
        2. MinskFox
          MinskFox 9 September 2023 10: 42
          -2
          Naive or ? Oryx is a garbage dump that lies like it breathes, evidence from the loss side is not taken into account at all, when indicating that the photo is the same, the numbers do not change. So, oryx is a “serious source” that counts in one direction.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 9 September 2023 10: 54
            +1
            Quote: MinskFox
            Naive or ? Oryx is a garbage dump that lies like it breathes, evidence from the loss side is not taken into account at all, when indicating that the photo is the same, the numbers do not change. So, oryx is a “serious source” that counts in one direction.

            Well, let’s just say that you want it to be like this. But Oryx is considered a serious source for military analysts in all countries.
            1. Huarabey
              Huarabey 9 September 2023 11: 06
              -1
              Is it considered serious in all NATO countries?
            2. MinskFox
              MinskFox 9 September 2023 11: 19
              0
              Which analysts? Who recently said that they were surprised by the competent defense built by the Russian Federation? Or who said that the Russian economy would collapse, but there were only 3 days of missiles left? It’s you Aron who wants it so much, not me. I personally wrote and pointed to photos of identical beeches, have they changed? - no. I point out that the tank is dry, no, not dry. How many leopards have been destroyed on Oryx now, 5? Yes, serious.
            3. nik-mazur
              nik-mazur 9 September 2023 11: 29
              +3
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Oryx is considered a serious source for military analysts

              Yeah, and then based on this, if I may say so, information, counterattacks are planned a week before the Sea of ​​Azov, and a month before Sevastopol.
              Despite the fact that although I have never been an analyst, upon a superficial check I easily discovered several manipulations in Ukrainian favor.
              1. Escariot
                Escariot 9 September 2023 13: 22
                +1
                Quote from: nik-mazur
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Oryx is considered a serious source for military analysts

                Yeah, and then based on this, if I may say so, information, counterattacks are planned a week before the Sea of ​​Azov, and a month before Sevastopol.
                Despite the fact that although I have never been an analyst, upon a superficial check I easily discovered several manipulations in Ukrainian favor.

                Do you have a better source of analysis of Russian equipment losses? Voice it. We will definitely consider
                1. MinskFox
                  MinskFox 9 September 2023 13: 36
                  -6
                  Against the background of Oryx, the data of the Russian Ministry of Defense look much more accurate and honest)
                  1. Escariot
                    Escariot 9 September 2023 14: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: MinskFox
                    Against the background of Oryx, the data of the Russian Ministry of Defense look much more accurate and honest)

                    But the Ministry of Defense does little to prove its words, and it rarely voices the losses of the RF Armed Forces.
                    1. MinskFox
                      MinskFox 10 September 2023 12: 39
                      +1
                      It’s just that the Russian Defense Ministry is conducting a military assessment, and not making a film for foreign financing. And I’ll also add that the RF Ministry of Defense is somehow violet towards armchair strategists and your wishes for confirmation of something will not be satisfied, if only because this is not their task and responsibility.
                2. nik-mazur
                  nik-mazur 9 September 2023 20: 15
                  -2
                  Quote from Escariot
                  Do you have a better source of analysis of Russian equipment losses?

                  Why do you need it?
                  1. Escariot
                    Escariot 9 September 2023 22: 45
                    0
                    Quote from: nik-mazur
                    Quote from Escariot
                    Do you have a better source of analysis of Russian equipment losses?

                    Why do you need it?

                    I'm very curious. So are there alternative sources or is Oryx the only hope?
                    1. nik-mazur
                      nik-mazur 10 September 2023 11: 55
                      -2
                      Quote from Escariot
                      I'm very curious

                      But not me. At least in an area that doesn't concern me much. And I’m never an altruist. Therefore, you will have to satisfy your personal curiosity at your own expense.
            4. Materialist
              Materialist 9 September 2023 11: 49
              +1
              Well, since it’s considered... people believe infinitely much, but they don’t know and can’t justify it
              There are no problems passing off unclear material or a fake as what you want, especially when there are no means of verification and no need for this for anyone, it’s easier to immediately form an “opinion”
              At the same time, the T-90M is a post-Soviet tank, and all its weakened zones became known as soon as it appeared, it is not a vehicle with any special security, its main difference is the control system and surveillance equipment
            5. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 9 September 2023 12: 26
              -5
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              But Oryx is considered a serious source for military analysts in all countries.

              Stop talking crap about the most serious things... Did they give data on the use in SAR XO? Perhaps they also reported about the “Challenger” that it has no equal, as well as about the F-35?
              We are so naive...
        3. nik-mazur
          nik-mazur 9 September 2023 11: 23
          +2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          On Oryx, the losses of both sides are counted

          On this Oryx, the tamed tanks easily and naturally count our losses.
          I even posted it once, but too lazy to look for it.
          1. Escariot
            Escariot 9 September 2023 12: 17
            -4
            Quote from: nik-mazur
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            On Oryx, the losses of both sides are counted

            On this Oryx, the tamed tanks easily and naturally count our losses.
            I even posted it once, but too lazy to look for it.

            Naturally. No one is immune from mistakes. Well, perhaps Lostarmor is not so mistaken, because he only counts in one direction.
            1. nik-mazur
              nik-mazur 9 September 2023 20: 17
              +3
              Quote from Escariot
              No one is immune from mistakes

              The fact is that their mistakes, like saleswomen at the market, are for some reason always in one direction.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 9 September 2023 10: 32
        -6
        I don't watch every video, but the ones I've seen...
        and where there is a clear zoom on a tank from a reconnaissance drone
        - more than 10, for sure.
        To destroy a T-90 tank, more air grenades/min are required,
        than other types. The T-90 is undoubtedly more durable.
        Usually, at least 5-6 hits from above and it lights up.
        Ukrainian large copter "Baba Yaga" takes 4 grenades.
        That is, the T-90 needs two copter raids to destroy it.
        1. nik-mazur
          nik-mazur 9 September 2023 11: 32
          -4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          T-90 requires two copter strikes to destroy

          Such calculations are touching. At the very beginning, Ukrainian experts also calculated how many of our tank armies they would mow down with their Javelins and Bayraktars.
        2. Materialist
          Materialist 9 September 2023 11: 53
          0
          Why 5-6, why not 10? How does the number of grenades determine the qualitative increase in the effect of destruction?
          The weakened projections of the T-90M are similar to those of any other post-Soviet tank; it does not have the phenomenal security of the same T-72B3M mod. 2023
          The basis of the weapons that formed the main irretrievable losses of the T-90M-ATGM is an absolutely ordinary case
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 9 September 2023 12: 13
            +1
            "Why 5-6, why not 10? How does the number of grenades determine the qualitative increase in the effect of destruction?" ///
            ---
            I don't know. I was just counting the grenades that were dropped. That's how it worked out. In several videos. They beat until the tank clearly caught fire.
            I am not describing a theory (why), but the reality of this war.

            "irretrievable losses of the T-90M-ATGM, an absolutely ordinary case" ///
            ----
            There were losses of T-90s from Javelins, with video evidence.
            But the Jvelins sometimes only damaged the tower, partially breaking through its top.
            The crew left the tank. Then the tank was finished off with drones or artillery.
            1. Materialist
              Materialist 9 September 2023 12: 36
              +1
              If a drone with homemade grenades is working on a stationary vehicle, this is already a failure, it will be destroyed in any case by anything, very often they are left even with open hatches - in this case, one hand grenade will be enough
              Javelins are ATGMs, and, as I already wrote, they work with equal success against any post-Soviet or NATO tank, most often destroying the target
              The armor of all more or less modern tanks turns out to be completely unsuitable for current methods of warfare, the same T-90M is redundant for air defense, with its anti-caliber armor of the new turret and the same cardboard sides
            2. karabas-barabas
              karabas-barabas 11 September 2023 01: 43
              -3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There were losses of T-90s from Javelins, with video evidence.
              But the Jvelins sometimes only damaged the tower, partially breaking through its top.
              The crew left the tank.

              Javelin hits from above and such cases are more likely due to the displacement of the blow so much away from the center of the tower that the edge of the tower and the caterpillar shelves with the caterpillar and everything below make holes, but do not penetrate into the BO. But if the blow falls on that part of the tower, under which the BO with the crew inside, then no one survives as a rule, since the Javelin has a rather fat tandem warhead with high penetration and high-explosive action, the BO burns out completely even without the presence of a BC inside.
              1. Repellent
                Repellent 11 September 2023 02: 14
                -1
                Quote: karabas-barabas
                godfather the edge of the tower and the caterpillar shelves with the caterpillar and everything below have holes, but do not penetrate into the BO. But if the strike falls on that part of the turret under which the warhead with the crew is inside, then as a rule no one survives, since the Javelin has a rather fat tandem warhead

                ... come, godfather, admire...

                Go back to play HERE already Yes
                1. karabas-barabas
                  karabas-barabas 12 September 2023 21: 30
                  -1
                  Quote: Repellent
                  Go back to play HERE already

                  Send your woman wherever you want. What does this have to do with HERE? Do you want to believe that the T-90 turret withstood the Javelin warhead? So these are purely your personal problems.
      3. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 9 September 2023 10: 35
        +2
        and there is data on how many were destroyed

        The Oryx resource provides images of 34 destroyed and 3 captured in good condition T-90M Proryv tanks

        In principle, some of them may be tanks of a different modification, mistakenly taken for the T-90M. It’s hard to make out anything in that mess, among the photographs of other 574 (allegedly) destroyed and captured T-72B3s
        1. poquello
          poquello 9 September 2023 10: 48
          -8
          Quote: Santa Fe
          The Oryx resource provides images of 34 destroyed and 3 captured

          )
          Quote: MinskFox
          Oryx is a garbage dump that lies like it breathes, evidence from the side of losses does not take into account the word at all, when indicating that the photo is the same, the numbers do not change.
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 9 September 2023 11: 27
            -1
            Oryx is a garbage dump that lies like it breathes

            You reprint the same phrase, where are the real refutations?
            When indicating that the photo is the same, the numbers do not change.

            Examples of such matches
            Specific cases

            Your estimates of the error in the given data
            1. MinskFox
              MinskFox 9 September 2023 11: 50
              0
              Let me not search for anything, but I’ll tell you how to do it, I don’t want to advertise any sites or channels here. Example: German self-propelled gun Panzergaubitz 2000. On the oryx, the data is that only one was damaged, none were destroyed. Type destruction 2000 in the search engine and see how many are confirmed. And not a single one was destroyed on the oryx) That’s not a bad error, right?
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 9 September 2023 12: 07
                +2
                No. Type destruction 2000 in the search engine and see how many are confirmed

                If there are “so many confirmed” and you know where it’s easy to see them, then it won’t be difficult for you to provide at least a couple of photos
                Not a bad error, right?

                Give the facts first, then come the conclusions
                1. poquello
                  poquello 9 September 2023 12: 15
                  -5
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  Give the facts first, then come the conclusions

                  Quote: MinskFox
                  Example: German self-propelled gun Panzergaubitz 2000. On the oryx, the data is that only one was damaged, none were destroyed.

                  Isn't that funny? the Americans were talking about one scribbled leopard, but quickly came to their senses
                2. MinskFox
                  MinskFox 9 September 2023 12: 51
                  -4
                  I gave you a tool, you can use it, or not, or has Google banned you?
              2. Escariot
                Escariot 9 September 2023 13: 26
                0
                Quote: MinskFox
                Let me not search for anything, but I’ll tell you how to do it, I don’t want to advertise any sites or channels here. Example: German self-propelled gun Panzergaubitz 2000. On the oryx, the data is that only one was damaged, none were destroyed. Type destruction 2000 in the search engine and see how many are confirmed. And not a single one was destroyed on the oryx) That’s not a bad error, right?

                The burden of proof lies with the claimants. Come on, since you are claiming some losses of the Panzerhowitzer 2000 self-propelled guns, then you will provide photo evidence of their destruction, and not we will look for them somewhere.
                1. MinskFox
                  MinskFox 9 September 2023 13: 33
                  -2
                  Once again, Google banned you? You type what I wrote and see at least 4 different videos. But the burden of proof is not on me; I’m not in court.
                  1. Santa Fe
                    Santa Fe 9 September 2023 17: 38
                    +1
                    There are no “4 videos” on Google with the confirmed destruction of the Pz2000.

                    You know this yourself, so you hide behind chatter and jokes from 20 years ago. Refusing to back up your words with facts
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                    2. MinskFox
                      MinskFox 9 September 2023 20: 15
                      -3
                      Go to telegram, https://web.telegram.org/a/#-1355540894 to this channel, in the upper right corner, enter PzH 2000 in the search bar. Watch the video of the destruction. You close your mouth. As for the lies, Kaptsov would have kept silent, huh?
                      1. Santa Fe
                        Santa Fe 10 September 2023 09: 27
                        0
                        Visit Telegram, https://web.telegram.org/a/#-1355540894

                        MinskFox ultimately couldn’t find anything on Google laughing

                        MinskFox knew from the very beginning that there was nothing on Google about the Pz2000. That’s why he pretended for so long and sent others to search. If MinskFox had arguments, it would not have been silent for so long.

                        On the third day of searching, MinskFox still found a telegram channel with some videos. The channel is apparently closed, so the link is not working. Could you provide the name of the channel so that it can be found through a search and an application can be submitted?

                        PS. Of course, we won’t see any debris there. Even clear pictures showing the destruction of self-propelled guns. Something exploded somewhere and that's it
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                      3. MinskFox
                        MinskFox 10 September 2023 10: 57
                        -1
                        On the third day? Kaptsov, you're lying again. Operation Z: Military correspondents of the Russian Spring. Please find and watch)
                      4. Vyacheslav Ermolaev
                        Vyacheslav Ermolaev 12 September 2023 08: 26
                        0
                        Well, I also did not find information about the destruction of the PZh 2000. I only found an article that says that as of August 2022, out of 15 delivered, only 5 remained in working order. It is emphasized that the rest broke down on their own. https://www.google.com/amp/s/gagadget.com/en/156277-ukraine-has-only-5-of-15-panzerhaubitze-2000-left-in-working-order-but-russia- has-not-destroyed-a-single-howitzer-amp/
                  2. realing
                    realing 11 September 2023 11: 02
                    -2
                    Well, I typed and found only articles about the destruction with a link to an official source in the person of the Ministry of Defense without any confirmation. Well, I definitely believe it
                2. Repellent
                  Repellent 9 September 2023 14: 16
                  -5
                  Quote from Escariot
                  Burden of proofyings lies on approvings

                  Even from this one phrase I can say with confidence that Russian is not your native language. Where are you from, pretty child? wink
                  1. Lelechka
                    Lelechka 10 September 2023 09: 20
                    -1
                    Dear Repellent, I would like to see people’s comments on the topic of the article, and not your harassment and obvious partiality towards Escariot. Then you teach him wisdom, and now also literacy, having errors in spelling (“pretty child”, etc.)
            2. poquello
              poquello 9 September 2023 12: 11
              -4
              Quote: Santa Fe
              Oryx is a garbage dump that lies like it breathes

              You reprint the same phrase, where are the real refutations?

              this is not my phrase, but
              Quote: MinskFox
              when indicating that the photo is the same, the numbers do not change

              this is a very serious argument, in fact there is nothing more to say about this resource
              1. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 9 September 2023 17: 43
                -2
                this is a very serious argument,

                There is no argument, MinskFox just lied

                And you don’t have your own opinion at all, you believe in everything they write
                1. MinskFox
                  MinskFox 9 September 2023 20: 17
                  -2
                  See the instructions above, apologize and quietly leave the conversation)
                2. nik-mazur
                  nik-mazur 9 September 2023 20: 31
                  +4
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  There's no argument

                  You act with such pomp, as if you have arguments in favor of Oryx’s honesty and impartiality...
                  1. MinskFox
                    MinskFox 9 September 2023 20: 39
                    -2
                    What are you saying, this is Olezhka Kaptsov, a great expert on all topics, the owner of secret information and a friend of Kalashnikov (he’s also a clown). He prescribes the truth. And his ChSV covers the sun, moon and stars)
                  2. Santa Fe
                    Santa Fe 10 September 2023 09: 39
                    0
                    in favor of Oryx's honesty and impartiality...

                    We were talking about something else here


                    It’s interesting to know real cases of replacing photographs of broken equipment - what Orix is ​​accused of

                    And why, after a year and a half of the SVO meat grinder, data on the losses of a thousand or two Russian tanks evoke such burning distrust among the public. This can't happen because it can't happen!
                    1. nik-mazur
                      nik-mazur 10 September 2023 11: 49
                      +3
                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      It’s interesting to know real cases of substitution of photographs of broken equipment

                      Once again: I’m not an expert on tanks and haven’t dug deep. Therefore, one example, but very illustrative and relatively easy to verify.
                      Self Cycling:
                      Quote from: nik-mazur
                      ... looked. Very fluently, of course, and only tanks. Most without the ability to determine belonging. On some. so-called, photo evidence is difficult to understand even the type of technique.
                      There is also outright cheating.
                      For example, the section on T-72V losses, photo 131, was taken in Mariupol by our military officers. The remains of something armored were broken into unrecognizable fragments, but they belonged to the Ukrainian side. I remember this report well, because I asked myself the same question as the military commander: “Why is it so?”


                      This is the third time I’m showing it, but Oryx fans don’t care.
                      And I repeat - there are too many such random errors for this to be an accident.

                      Quote: Santa Fe
                      data on the losses of a thousand or two Russian tanks causes such burning distrust among the public

                      What causes burning distrust is not the data on the expected losses, but the sharp imbalance of losses in favor of the Ukrainian side by almost three times. Which surprisingly coincides with the Ukrainian position.
                      1. realing
                        realing 11 September 2023 11: 06
                        0
                        The remains of something armored were disintegrated into unrecognizable fragments, but they belonged to the Ukrainian side

                        It is clear that nothing is clear, it is even impossible to understand what kind of technology this is, but whose - please.
                3. poquello
                  poquello 10 September 2023 01: 29
                  -2
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  There is no argument, MinskFox just lied

                  what? was the resource not indicated or did the resource change the numbers after being indicated? Do you understand what you are saying?
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 September 2023 10: 19
    0
    And in the Rabotino area, vegetation has been preserved on the LBS. There is a lunar landscape in the frames before the opornik passes into the wrong hands, and in the photo there is a jungle. Not many photos, maybe a lie on the other side. The top photo is a tank in a spruce forest, the bottom one is in a deciduous forest.
    1. faterdom
      faterdom 9 September 2023 10: 21
      +10
      I don’t remember exactly, but in my opinion this is a photo of that Kharkov tank from last year.
  4. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 9 September 2023 10: 22
    -5
    Isn’t there a charge in the ammunition rack with a mechanical switch and remote detonation? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    1. AdAstra
      AdAstra 9 September 2023 10: 30
      -15
      The gloomy Russian genius cannot think of this.
      1. spirit
        spirit 9 September 2023 10: 40
        +5
        Then the stripes will make you look even newer and say that you have damaged state property. It is necessary to prescribe a clear algorithm of actions in such cases, approve it and communicate it to everyone, but this is too complicated for large shoulder straps, there is too much brain activity.
        1. poquello
          poquello 9 September 2023 10: 52
          0
          Quote: spirit
          It is necessary to prescribe a clear algorithm of actions in such cases, approve and communicate to everyone,

          like, we hit the header, etc., to the side and cock the detonator?
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 9 September 2023 10: 36
      +7
      Quote: 75Sergey
      Isn’t there a charge in the ammunition rack with a mechanical switch and remote detonation? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      Should the crew still work on a mine with a screwed-in fuse? Well, like driving fast over rough terrain, shooting and sometimes experiencing external impacts.
    3. AndreyKam_Z
      AndreyKam_Z 9 September 2023 10: 40
      +7
      Who and when will make the decision to undermine?
      1. Rosemary
        Rosemary 9 September 2023 11: 05
        +6
        Quote: AndreyKam_Z
        Who and when will make the decision to undermine?

        That is the problem.
        On the night of June 24-25, 1941, the commander of the destroyer Lenin, which was undergoing major repairs at the Tosmare plant in Liepaja, Lieutenant Commander Yuri Afanasyev decided that there was a real threat of the ship being captured by the enemy, who had already begun to close the encirclement. around Libau, gave the order to blow it up.
        On July 19, 1941, by the military tribunal of the Baltic Fleet, Lieutenant Commander Afanasyev was accused of committing a crime under Art. 193-20 paragraph "b" of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR (destruction by the chief of a warship entrusted to him) and was shot.
        1. Arisaka
          Arisaka 9 September 2023 11: 13
          +5
          Nobody wants to be this Afanasyev. Is there really an enemy here? Or maybe we can throw the enemy away now? And a second later you are already taken away.
        2. AndreyKam_Z
          AndreyKam_Z 9 September 2023 11: 13
          +5
          That's what I'm talking about. The authors of such proposals themselves need to be put on charge with remote detonation; their ideas will immediately run in a different direction. wink
          1. Arisaka
            Arisaka 9 September 2023 12: 58
            +1
            People imagine the process as a game like Hearts of Iron 4, when you lean over the map and see: yeah, the enemy has surrounded us, the caterpillar has flown off. It takes 4 hours to fix it, we don’t have time. Shtozh...
            It’s as if every single tank knows the operational situation at the level of that same strategy player. I’m not saying that sitting on caps/charges is no fun anyway, and then they’ll screw on a bomb. By the way, enemy tanks also do not have such devices, but there are methods of expedient destruction in case of danger of capture. But I couldn’t really google any examples or instructions.
  5. -sa-
    -sa- 9 September 2023 10: 40
    -3
    Ukry could have posted a fake on social networks for gloating. They really love this. perhaps this is the very first captured T90 or they actually stole the photo from ours
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 9 September 2023 10: 41
    +2
    This is war!
    Anything happens and will happen, we must try to be prepared for it to the maximum!
    1. poquello
      poquello 9 September 2023 10: 54
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      This is war!
      Anything happens and will happen,

      Duc!, it’s unclear what kind of sucker has grown so big here
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 September 2023 11: 05
        +4
        An open platform for conversation, exchange of opinions... anything can be written.
        In principle, this does not change anything... most of them have already decided long ago, the demarcation has occurred and there is no need to expect anything else.
  7. Rom8681
    Rom8681 9 September 2023 10: 44
    +1
    Do we have a trophy leopard or a challenger?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 September 2023 10: 54
      0
      Only the Swedish infantry fighting vehicles were captured as trophies.
      5 leopards were completely destroyed, 10 were taken out
      for serious repairs to Poland. Another 5 are being repaired in Ukraine.
      Approximately 50 in service.
      1. ZhEK-Vodogrey
        ZhEK-Vodogrey 9 September 2023 11: 23
        -5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        5 leopards were completely destroyed, 10 were taken out

        Instead of looking at Oryx's trash heap, we'd go to Lostarmor. There are 9 burnt Leopard-2s with good photographs.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 9 September 2023 11: 48
          0
          Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
          Let's go to Lostarmor.

          Where are our losses? Actually, Lostarmore is a Russian site, and the “garbage dump” Oryx is Dutch, not Ukrainian.
          1. ZhEK-Vodogrey
            ZhEK-Vodogrey 9 September 2023 12: 05
            -5
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Where are our losses?

            And I wrote about Leopards-2. They are only with the Khinzirs in the Northern Military District zone. You will find out our losses after the end of the Northern Military District.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 9 September 2023 13: 07
              +4
              Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
              You will find out our losses after the end of the Northern Military District.

              Why the hell should I then find out Ukrainian losses if I can’t compare them with ours? The Dutch site does not seem to be interested in exaggerating the enemy’s losses, but ours are very much so.
              - if, in response to a list of your losses in personnel and equipment, you give a report indicating the enemy’s losses, which are 3 or more times higher, no one will scold you;
              - once as a child, I went fishing to a pond behind the village and caught 3 sharks, 2 whales, a ton of pike and three hundredweight of sturgeon;
              - but Dmitry Anatolyevich believes

              This is an opinion from a telegram from Colonel Shuvalov.
              1. nik-mazur
                nik-mazur 9 September 2023 20: 22
                -2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                The Dutch site does not seem to be interested in exaggerating enemy losses

                S.H.I.E.L.D.? Do you really think that Dutch admins are completely neutral? By the way, the question is how Dutch they are.
                Or maybe you are so naive that you consider the court in The Hague to be independent and unbiased?
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 9 September 2023 10: 56
      0
      Quote: Rom8681
      Do we have a trophy leopard or a challenger?

      There will most likely be a leopard when you start to advance. And Abrams maybe if there are a lot of them. Challenger is unlikely simply because there are very few of them.
    3. runway-1
      runway-1 9 September 2023 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: Rom8681
      Do we have a trophy leopard or a challenger?

      There were joyful messages with the same comments, but without video or photo evidence. Naturally, then everything calmed down...
      1. Mikhail Ya2
        Mikhail Ya2 10 September 2023 00: 00
        -2
        But it seemed like some governor was presenting a prize for a trophy Leopard.
  8. Huarabey
    Huarabey 9 September 2023 10: 45
    0
    Quote: tralflot1832
    And in the Rabotino area, vegetation has been preserved on the LBS. There is a lunar landscape in the frames before the opornik passes into the wrong hands, and in the photo there is a jungle. Not many photos, maybe a lie on the other side. The top photo is a tank in a spruce forest, the bottom one is in a deciduous forest.

    The top photo is just a photo of the same tank. And here is the bottom one, from the cart where they reported the capture.
  9. Nikolay Dyaglev
    Nikolay Dyaglev 9 September 2023 10: 45
    -8
    Hahaha, regrouping of troops in 2022, made me laugh)))
  10. DZ10
    DZ10 9 September 2023 10: 48
    -16
    The vicious school of Soviet tank building, unfortunately leads to the detachment of the turret and the death of the crew
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 9 September 2023 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: DZ10
      The vicious school of Soviet tank building, unfortunately leads to the detachment of the turret and the death of the crew

      The fact is that tanks are only a tool for fulfilling a strategic plan. And the USSR had such a plan that tens of thousands of cars were needed. So the Soviet industry produced the T-64/72/80 series for these needs. Another thing is that for a long-term conflict of relatively low intensity this technique is not entirely suitable, then the army has to fight not with what it needs, but with what it has, but that’s a completely different story.
      1. DZ10
        DZ10 9 September 2023 12: 41
        -4
        The very idea of ​​ammunition storage under the crew’s feet, I’m just talking about this
        1. Escariot
          Escariot 9 September 2023 13: 33
          -2
          Quote: DZ10
          The very idea of ​​ammunition storage under the crew’s feet, I’m just talking about this

          Comparing machine guns of those times, it turns out that ammo storage under your feet is not the worst option. It was only recently that they were able to push the machine gun into the rear of the turret without distortion. Another thing is that the Carousel system is conceptually outdated, but our industry, due to its poverty, cannot produce the required series of operational Armata-type tanks.
        2. ln_ln
          ln_ln 10 September 2023 20: 12
          +1
          And what about the ammunition rack under the polycom on the M60?
    2. nik-mazur
      nik-mazur 9 September 2023 20: 23
      -2
      Quote: DZ10
      The vicious school of Soviet tank building, unfortunately leads to the detachment of the tower

      In fact, the turret of the first Challenger that was hit was torn off. True, it is so heavy that it did not fly away, but only moved, which is noticeable upon careful examination.
  11. Rumata
    Rumata 9 September 2023 11: 01
    -3
    Each BM-13 was equipped with an explosive charge for self-detonation in case of threat of capture. And the combat crew swore an oath to die, but not to give the installation to the enemy. Therefore, these days it is almost impossible to see a front-line Katyusha. In museums and on pedestals, there are usually crude models on post-war chassis of various trucks.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 September 2023 11: 14
      -2
      The first completely serviceable ones abandoned without gasoline
      The Germans captured more Katyushas
      in September 1941. Along with rockets.
      But the Germans were not impressed by the missiles.
      For their Andryusha rocket launcher they made
      missiles with a much more powerful warhead and more accurate.
      But they lost at shooting range.
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 9 September 2023 19: 11
        +1
        For their Andryusha rocket launcher they made
        missiles with a much more powerful warhead and more accurate.

        Did you smoke a history textbook there in Israel or something? "Andryusha" is a Soviet BM 31 rocket launcher.
      2. poquello
        poquello 10 September 2023 01: 45
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The Germans captured more Katyushas
        in September 1941. Along with rockets.
        But the Germans were not impressed by the missiles.

        ))))))))))))))))))) in the sense - the Germans couldn’t make such gunpowder, neighing how it sounds to you
    2. Rosemary
      Rosemary 9 September 2023 11: 17
      +3
      Quote: Rumata
      Each BM-13 was equipped with an explosive charge for self-detonation in case of threat of capture. And the combat crew swore an oath to die, but not to give the installation to the enemy. Therefore, these days it is almost impossible to see a front-line Katyusha. In museums and on pedestals, there are usually crude models on post-war chassis of various trucks.




      Isaev, relying on documents and photographs, claims that the first Katyusha was captured by the Germans in August 1941 while repelling a counterattack by troops of the North-Western Front (34th Army) in the Staraya Russa area.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 9 September 2023 13: 19
      -2
      Quote: Rumata
      In museums and on pedestals, there are usually crude models on post-war chassis of various trucks.

      Not a layout.
      Raised from the bottom of the reservoir.
  12. certero
    certero 9 September 2023 11: 11
    +6
    Quote from AdAstra
    The gloomy Russian genius cannot think of this.

    You've clearly never been in a tank. Sitting inside a tank in which there’s already a shitload of things that can explode, and even some kind of remote detonation that can just go off...
    Methods for destroying a tank have long been known. It’s just that when a tank is hit, and under enemy fire, you want to save lives first and then blow up something.
    Well, the very fact of the tank stopping indicates that the enemy is really advancing and capturing the territory
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 9 September 2023 11: 39
      -3
      Quote: certero
      Quote from AdAstra
      The gloomy Russian genius cannot think of this.

      You've clearly never been in a tank. Sitting inside a tank in which there’s already a shitload of things that can explode, and even some kind of remote detonation that can just go off...
      Methods for destroying a tank have long been known. It’s just that when a tank is hit, and under enemy fire, you want to save lives first and then blow up something.
      Well, the very fact of the tank stopping indicates that the enemy is really advancing and capturing the territory

      There is also the question of why the tank was not finished off after the retreat. Well, the crew, of course, saved their lives, the command hoped to evacuate it later, but after our troops retreated, the tank, at least for some time, is more of a real estate property and a background for a selfie than a real trophy. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have a tool in the form of a “drone army”, which throw cumulative (and other) grenades at our damaged tanks, as well as kamikaze FPV drones. In principle, knowing the coordinates of the tank, it is easy to finish it off with similar systems, and this is not to mention all sorts of Krasnopol-D and Lancets.
  13. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 9 September 2023 11: 23
    0
    Considering the loss of the Proryv a year ago, the second such loss mostly has an image effect, since everything the enemy (and the West) needed about the vehicle could be learned from one copy.
    1. savage3000
      savage3000 10 September 2023 21: 09
      0
      T-90m 1 was captured in Kharkov. And then two more, apparently. So this one will be 4m. Or 3m
  14. Fangaro
    Fangaro 9 September 2023 14: 19
    +1
    Why does VO write about an ALLEGED CAPTURE?
    Either the capture, or the lie about the capture.
    1. Whip
      Whip 9 September 2023 14: 51
      -3
      Quote from Fangaro
      Why does VO write about an ALLEGED CAPTURE?

      These are probably specially trained people doing their job,
      In Vladivostok, a former American diplomat was caught who was bribing Russian journalists, bloggers, etc.
      It’s the same here, one threw it in, the rest picked it up and spin it
  15. coinsam
    coinsam 9 September 2023 14: 31
    -4
    If this is true, then you can either not count too much on the combat use of the tank by the APU-ZSU, or count on it for a short time, because the repair base there is weak.
    very quickly the tank will turn into an evacuation transporter - until it explodes on a mine.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 9 September 2023 15: 50
      -1
      Quote from monetam
      If this is true, then you can either not count too much on the combat use of the tank by the APU-ZSU, or count on it for a short time, because the repair base there is weak.
      very quickly the tank will turn into an evacuation transporter - until it explodes on a mine.

      Of course, I’m not an expert, but the T-90m is just a very advanced modification of the T-72, which is quite suitable for service in both the former ATS countries and Ukraine itself in the person of the T-72av. There is the only serious question about the box, although the Slavic ingenuity of the “non-brothers” gives birth to such kedavros, which even in a nightmare you wouldn’t dream of.
  16. Ivan Seversky
    Ivan Seversky 9 September 2023 16: 05
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    There are fewer and fewer old T-72s in the Northern Military District, and more and more new T-90s.
    Shot down and destroyed (by kamikaze drones or grenades from drones, mostly)
    The T-90 is no longer a sensation.
    But capturing the whole is rare, of course.


    According to Oryx, since August 24, losses have been:
    Russian Federation - 41 tanks, of which:
    -T-62: 2;
    -T-64: 1;
    -T-72: 21;
    -T-80: 10;
    -T-90: 4
    Ukrainian Armed Forces - 23 tanks, of which:
    -T-64: 10;
    -T-72: 8;
    -T-80: 3;
    -Leopard: 1
    -Challenger: 1

    PS The Ukrainian Armed Forces have fewer tanks, so they lose them less.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 9 September 2023 16: 48
      0
      Quote: Ivan Seversky
      Quote: voyaka uh
      There are fewer and fewer old T-72s in the Northern Military District, and more and more new T-90s.
      Shot down and destroyed (by kamikaze drones or grenades from drones, mostly)
      The T-90 is no longer a sensation.
      But capturing the whole is rare, of course.


      According to Oryx, since August 24, losses have been:
      Russian Federation - 41 tanks, of which:
      -T-62: 2;
      -T-64: 1;
      -T-72: 21;
      -T-80: 10;
      -T-90: 4
      Ukrainian Armed Forces - 23 tanks, of which:
      -T-64: 10;
      -T-72: 8;
      -T-80: 3;
      -Leopard: 1
      -Challenger: 1

      PS The Ukrainian Armed Forces have fewer tanks, so they lose them less.

      Where do you get the breakdown by month? Or do you think for yourself?
  17. Ivan Seversky
    Ivan Seversky 9 September 2023 19: 57
    +4
    Quote from Escariot

    Where do you get the breakdown by month? Or do you think for yourself?


    Once a month, on the 24th, I create a file into which I copy data on the parties’ losses from Oryx. Using these figures, you can compare losses over time periods. I started counting from the 12th month.
    If you're interested, I'll send you the sources.
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  19. Cypa
    Cypa 9 September 2023 22: 10
    0
    It’s a pity, of course, that they just gave it away
  20. Rome
    Rome 9 September 2023 23: 48
    0
    It's a shame, it's a shame, oh well! feel The main thing is that ours are fighting with the T90M, and not with the T55!!! soldier
  21. Vechernick
    Vechernick 10 September 2023 00: 28
    -3
    Also news to me - almost a dozen of these vehicles in the period August-September 2022 were left to the Ukrainians ABSOLUTELY INTENSIVE AND COMBATABLE, carrying out another gesture of goodwill in mega-speed mode
    1. savage3000
      savage3000 10 September 2023 21: 07
      +1
      Complete nonsense. From 2 to 3 pieces were captured. The first one in Kharkov.
  22. Sibiryak70region
    Sibiryak70region 10 September 2023 02: 49
    -3
    Will anyone be punished for this? What kind of idiocy is this about leaving weapons to the enemy?
  23. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 10 September 2023 04: 51
    0
    No comment - but MI8 came to mind with the scum that sold itself and a helicopter for $500 thousand, not everything is so simple in this “murky war”. There are services - they will sort it out.
  24. Artyom Savin
    Artyom Savin 10 September 2023 06: 43
    -3
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Oryx is Dutch, not Ukrainian.

    After the Malaysian Boeing, the Dutch are unlikely to root for the Russian Federation
    1. pettabyte
      pettabyte 10 September 2023 10: 45
      -2
      But for the 404 that shot him down - quite.
      I propose to shoot down something for the Dutch for diplomatic purposes.
      And snipe the Japs.
  25. pettabyte
    pettabyte 10 September 2023 10: 44
    -3
    How can you even destroy (by giving it to the enemy) a tank while on the defensive?
  26. Bromo4er
    Bromo4er 10 September 2023 14: 25
    0
    A lot of equipment is captured, both by ours and by the Ukrainians. In my opinion, this suggests that it is not always possible to destroy immobilized equipment. And there are a lot of videos, like after a tank or vehicle is shot down, the crew and troops fall out of them and run away. There is no need to judge while the circumstances under which he was abandoned are unknown.
  27. Yaroslav the Wise
    Yaroslav the Wise 10 September 2023 17: 05
    -2
    Well, of course they couldn't destroy it! Sold! Just like recently one pilot sold a helicopter to banderlogs. What could happen that the crew gave such a chirp that there was not even time to throw a grenade?

    Everyone knows the attitude of the Banderlogs towards our helicopter pilots. And our helicopter pilots are also well aware of what awaits them if they fall into the clutches of Ukrainian monkeys. But with all this, when helicopter pilots go for an emergency landing in enemy-controlled territory, they find the strength and time to destroy the helicopter. And it's just a tank.

    In general, the matter is dark, the matter is not clear
  28. Tim666
    Tim666 10 September 2023 17: 10
    +1
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: Santa Fe
    Give the facts first, then come the conclusions

    Quote: MinskFox
    Example: German self-propelled gun Panzergaubitz 2000. On the oryx, the data is that only one was damaged, none were destroyed.

    Isn't that funny? the Americans were talking about one scribbled leopard, but quickly came to their senses

    Or rather, this is what they wrote on the ru-resource; often the meaning of articles, including those on VO, differs from the articles in the sources to which they claim a link. A striking example is that the Americans announced their unwillingness to install ATACM, but the source writes that the decision has not yet been made)
  29. Mikhail Dadeko
    Mikhail Dadeko 10 September 2023 21: 04
    -1
    And the chief herald of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, what does he say about this? Refutes or confirms? request
  30. savage3000
    savage3000 10 September 2023 21: 05
    0
    In Kharkov they took 1. About two more, as far as I saw on the Internet

    Well, let’s say another one was captured from Rabbotino. What's next?
  31. Vladimir80
    Vladimir80 10 September 2023 23: 22
    -5
    Quote: Mikhail Dadeko
    the main herald of the RF Ministry of Defense, what does he say about this? Refutes or confirms?

    Reads from the teleprompter as usual. The rest is not his responsibility...
  32. bija089
    bija089 11 September 2023 06: 21
    -1
    everything is strange, it was difficult to throw a grenade
  33. Gayver
    Gayver 11 September 2023 07: 58
    -1
    Where is at least 1 captured leopard 2 or Challenger or Khimars? Why do the Ukrainians manage to seize our modern equipment, but we don’t?