10 Russia's largest projects in 2012: samples for industrialization, but not herself

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The outgoing year 2012 was remembered by a number of large-scale projects that were successfully implemented or which were launched. Recall the most important of them.

1. South Stream

In early December, the construction of the South Stream gas pipeline was launched. The significance of this event will be fully appreciated by those who have followed the multi-year coordination of the gas pipeline route with European countries. We also remember the massive attack of the project in the Western media (and, indeed, to conceal, in many domestic ones as well), we remember feverish attempts to prevent the construction of the South Stream through the implementation of the competing Nabucco project.

This year was a breakthrough for the project. Bulgaria signed a protocol on the final investment decision on the construction of the South Stream gas pipeline on its territory. Already in June, 2013, the construction of the European land will be here.

All necessary agreements have been reached with Serbia, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia and Turkey. In 2015, the first line of the pipeline will be put into operation, and all 4 will be put into operation in 2019.

Well, Nabucco remained a project on paper ...

10 Russia's largest projects in 2012: samples for industrialization, but not herself


2. Nord Stream

In many ways, the implementation of South Stream was made possible thanks to the successful implementation of Nord Stream, another gas artery from Russia to Europe. The project was implemented in record time and impressed our European colleagues. This year, the second branch of the pipeline was introduced ahead of time and commercial supplies of fuel began. The next two more.

The fierce opposition from our Polish, Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian colleagues continues unabated. That in itself proves the high significance of the “Northern project” for our country. By the way, the United Kingdom this year decided to join the project and asked to build an additional branch to its Norfolk.



3. ESPO-2

The Eastern Siberia-Pacific Ocean pipeline is capable of changing the economic and political landscape of the modern world. With its help, Russia enters the promising and rapidly growing market of the APR. This year was very productive for the project.

Now, when you read these lines, oil is rapidly filling the ESPO-2 pipeline. Already December 25 it will be fully launched. At a recent press conference, V.Putin assessed the project this way:

“This job is complete. “I want to congratulate the builders, engineers, all those who were involved in this huge construction site,” the president said. - Just think: this is a huge construction site. We somehow, by the way, skip it all: this is comparable to the construction of BAM at one time, you understand? You know, the construction took place under the conditions of an absolutely unfinished infrastructure, there is nothing there: neither roads, nor power supply. And all this is done.

In addition, as you remember, in the first part of the work we even made a decision based on environmental considerations: this system was removed from the shore of Lake Baikal for 400 kilometers. All this is justified, all this gives us the opportunity to work more effectively on the fastest growing world market - on the APR market. ”

As you already guessed, our European partners are far from enthusiastic about this project too. European Commission member Karel de Gucht stated: “Russia must change unacceptable behavior. If they do not take action on violations committed in recent months, we will be forced to take action. ” Well, they do not like that Russia opens up new markets for its resources. After all, diversification leads to an inevitable reduction in supply volumes and higher prices. If this is not a competition, then what? Has it ceased to be the sacred cow of European marketers?



4. Bovanenkovo

The launch by Gazprom of the Bovanenkovskoye field was without exaggeration a grand event. There have been no precedents for such a large-scale fishing in the harsh climatic conditions of the Arctic. And we did and proved that nobody is better than us in the Arctic.

The importance of the event is due not only to the huge reserves of the field, but also to the fact that the project is able to transform the entire northern region and create a powerful industrial-economic cluster in it. To transport Yamal gas to the Unified Gas Supply System, Gazprom is building the Bovanenkovo-Ukhta gas trunkline system. Now the first line with a length of more than 1240 km has been built, and the construction will be fully completed in 2016 year.



5. Northern Sea Route

This year, the topic of the development of the Northern Sea Route (NSR) began to receive real content. First, the NOVATEK company, with the help of Rosatom, carried out the first tankers with liquefied natural gas via the NSR. Secondly, the path itself received the status of a national transport highway. Thirdly, the active revival of the atomic icebreaker began fleet. So the Baltic Shipyard this year began to build a new type of nuclear icebreaker. The general director of the plant A. Voznesensky explained:

“We are busy with work before 2020, we are fulfilling the order of Atomflot. Now we are building an atomic icebreaker with a capacity of 60 megawatts. It will be the largest nuclear-powered icebreaker in the world. There are orders for two more powerful vessels. The total value of all three contracts is about 3 billion euros. These icebreakers will replace existing icebreakers. ”

At the same time, work is underway to create an atomic icebreaker with a new generation of 100 megawatts.

Recall that the Northern Sea Route is the main shipping artery of the Arctic, passing along the northern coast of the Russian Federation, connecting European and Far Eastern ports. The potential cargo traffic of the Northern Sea Route is estimated at 50 million tons per year.

Is it worth adding that the SMP, like Bovanenkovskoye, will give a powerful impetus to the development of the northern region. By the way, the path is connected with another project - the Northern Latitudinal Passage. This is a railway line that will connect the cities and districts of Yamal with each other, with the subsequent access to the all-Russian railway network. Here is what the governor of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug D. Kobylkin says about this:

“This project is important for the whole of Russia. If we build this road and bring it to the sea port of Sabetta, then it will turn from a monoport into a multifunctional hub of the Northern Sea Route. In this corridor, we will be able to use the daily passage to export gas from Yamal, grain from Siberia, metal from the Urals, coal from Kuzbass, oil products from Tatarstan and Bashkortostan. ”

Well, and someone all the time laments the fact that in Russia there are no projects comparable in scale to creative projects in the USSR.



6. Rosatom Projects

Those who read up to this point, certainly depressed from the abundance of resource projects. Someone is even ready to write a comment: “Again, we are not building anything except pipes!”. I hasten to reward the patient, then we will not say a word about gas and oil.

Rosatom State Corporation has worked well for a year. The volume of contracts for the year grew by almost a third - up to 70 billion dollars. The Russian atom remains in demand and respected throughout the world. This year, we managed to agree with China on all issues related to the construction of the second stage of the Tianwan NPP. By 2018, all units will be commissioned. Earlier, Rosatom resolved similar issues regarding the construction of the Akkuyu NPP in Turkey. The work on the first unit of the Indian Kudankulam NPP is being completed. The second unit should be launched next year.

In Russia, the year passed in strict accordance with the plans. They did not expect anything else from Rosatom. In September, the 4 unit of Kalinin NPP was put into commercial operation, and the construction of 9 units continues. Already operating Russian NPPs in 2012 will give 177,3 billion billion kilowatt-hours of energy - more than last year, and about 16% of the country's total energy.

And for a snack patient - just became aware that at a meeting of the Security Council on nuclear deterrence under the chairmanship of Russian President Vladimir Putin, it was decided that enterprises of the nuclear weapons complex would not participate in privatization.



7. Boguchanskaya HPP

In October, the first units of the largest hydropower facility in the country, the Boguchanskaya HPP, were commissioned. She also bears the deserved title of the most complex hydropower long-term construction. The object, laid down in 1974, woke up from perestroika hibernation only in 2006.

15 of October of this year was the launch of the first two hydraulic units, in November - the third. By the end of the year it is planned to launch the fourth, fifth and sixth hydraulic units. A fully working station can be called at the end of 2014, when the reservoir is filled, the so-called New Siberian Sea. Through 40 years after construction began.

Like most of the above projects, the Boguchanskaya HPP will become the pivot around which the whole system of projects important for the region and the country will be formed. The lion's share of hydroelectric power will go to supply the Boguchansky and Taishet aluminum plants that are under construction.



8. Klimovskie engines

Legendary engine-building plant them. Klimova moves to a new production complex, equipped with modern equipment. The total amount of investments in the project of reconstruction and technical re-equipment of the KPK OJSC KPK amounted to 6,5 billion rubles.

Why such a waste? The fact is that this is, in fact, the beginning of the creation of a world-class center for the production of gas turbine engines. So the factory is already undergoing tests of the new helicopter engine VK-2500. They are equipped with Ka-52 "Alligator" helicopters and Mi-28 "Night Hunter". It is important that the engines are 100% of domestic components, and this will completely get away from dependence on foreign suppliers. From the 2015, the plant will produce at least 400 of such engines per year.

In addition, the Klimov turbojet engine RD-33MK passed state tests. Vice Prime Minister D.Rogozin commented on this event:

“In fact, we went to create an engine that will allow us to return to the deck aviation. Firstly, we are honoring our obligations to our Indian partner for the Gorshkov aircraft carrier, which will be using our deck-mounted Mig-29 fighters, and for us, the conditions for the construction of new aircraft carrier connections for the first time have been created. ”



9. Metallurgy

Loud event of the year - the opening of the second stage of the mill-2000 at the Magnitogorsk Metallurgical Combine. This is a giant complex with a capacity of 2 million tons per year. Its need, in turn, is due to the dynamic growth of the Russian auto industry this year. Reconstruction of the hot rolling mill 2500 worth 1 billion.

The construction of a rail and structural mill costing more than 40 billion rubles was launched at the Chelyabinsk Metallurgical Plant. This product is not produced in Russia, so the company will have a guaranteed load.

Uralmashzavod is creating a new metallurgical production. Its launch will make it possible to increase the production capacity of forging and casting billets to 150 thousand tons, which is twice as much as the enterprise’s current capabilities.

In general, it should be noted that the world metallurgy experienced a very difficult year due to falling commodity prices and reduced demand. And the Russian, in time reoriented to the domestic market, was generally in an advantageous position. Can not be said about foreign companies that have been pushed out of him.



10. Mining industry

Among the memorable events is the beginning of the construction of the Mikheevsky mining and processing plant in the Chelyabinsk region. Since Soviet times, this is the first such large-scale project in the industry. The total investment is 24 billion rubles, half of which have already been used. Even without reaching its design capacity, the mine provided jobs to almost 1000 people. The factory will process more than 18 million tons of ore from the existing quarry.

In the same year, the Oleniy Ruchey mine began operating in the Murmansk region and has already managed to release the first batch of apatite concentrate. Investments only in the first place of the project amount to more than 10 billion rubles (second stage - 15 billion rubles), therefore with the final commissioning of the object into operation, the regional budget will be replenished with hundreds of millions of rubles only from property tax. When the enterprise reaches its design capacity, more than 1300 new jobs will be created.



Total

We, however, are far from enthusiastic. With all the above positive - in the country here and there, and reverse trends. And if we take into account the stagnation of domestic production recorded in recent months and the bleak picture of our main external partners, then we can briefly say that what is there is definitely not enough.

Because in the case of a very likely “fall” of the energy situation next year, the above listed and hundreds of projects not listed below will not be an alternative to the lost “oil and gas” jobs. Just by volume.

Consequently, we can sum up the following: before us are samples for industrialization. But this is not her.
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  1. +21
    26 December 2012 12: 10
    The projects are certainly ambitious and positive, but it is a pity that they are mainly aimed at pumping out raw materials, and not the development of high technologies for the production of the final product. But even so, plus.
    1. lotus04
      +6
      26 December 2012 12: 24
      And this SQUANDERING of our wealth, which our children and grandchildren had to get, so that they would live with all the prosperity and not need anything like some countries (raw materials). Soon, God forbid, fresh water will begin to be driven through these pipes (in some places, in almost all countries, it is more expensive than gasoline), AND IT'S called PROJECTS ????
      1. rolik
        +11
        26 December 2012 15: 00
        The most ass ... e was done in the 90s. Dear Mr. Yavlinsky, remember the Sakhalin 2 project. When all the oil produced was controlled by mattress mats, they themselves decided how much money to throw into the Russian budget. And I was not even surprised to learn that under these agreements we also owe them. That is where there was a REAL squandering of natural resources. Well stopped in time and turned this project. And Grishenka embarrassedly kept silent and sent his children to England to study, and at the same time he bought himself a house there.
      2. Don
        +6
        26 December 2012 15: 02
        Quote: lotus04
        And this is the squandering of our wealth, which should have been given to our children and grandchildren, so that they would live with all their wealth and would not need anything,

        Our children had to leave them to their children, and their children to their own and so on in the chain. Not clear logic. All countries of the world have mined, mined and will continue to extract resources from themselves. In order to leave something for your children, you need to explore and develop new deposits, which is being done. This article is just about it written. Even already explored by the great-grandchildren is enough.
        1. Misantrop
          +2
          26 December 2012 20: 22
          Quote: Don
          Our children had to leave them to their children, and their children to their own and so on in the chain. Not clear logic.
          The logic is simple. All countries of the world not only extract resources, but also process them. And they trade in a HIGH-TECH processing product, ready for consumption. And to sell raw materials, and then at an exorbitant price to buy the final product (made from it), this is not a business for a person who considers himself civilized. For the Papuan, it will do. But sovereigns are doing it countryand not the raw materials appendages of foreign economies.
          And the joy about:
          Quote: Don
          Even already explored by the great-grandchildren is enough.

          too similar to "even grandchildren can mess around, the bowels will feed" wink
          1. Bubo
            +1
            27 December 2012 06: 56
            The final product is wonderful ...
            Only what is the final product of oil, for the most part, is gasoline. Imagine if something happens to the pipes through which high-octane gasoline flows, it will equal so tear. So oil can be considered a semi-finished product, and this is already worthy.
            Now, regarding gas, what is the final product. Only one, "heat", which is generated during combustion. And how do you order to sell and supply "heat" from gas flaring on the territory of Russia to Europe without heat loss.

            Therefore, with regard to energy carriers, it is correct that their sales are developed, while there is demand, this must be done. Another question is what do the profits go to?
          2. Don
            0
            27 December 2012 14: 58
            Quote: Misantrop
            The logic is simple. All countries of the world not only extract resources, but also process them. And they trade in a HIGH-TECH processing product, ready for consumption. And to sell raw materials, and then at an exorbitant price to buy the final product

            Quote: Misantrop
            For the Papuan, it will do.

            Well, let's immediately without these Papuans. To start. Economically developed countries such as Norway, Canada, Australia, Sweden, and slightly less developed countries like Brazil, Mexico, South Africa, and Chile also sell their resources. Now for the final product. Gas is made from oil. The Russian Federation has a lot of refineries, it also saturates its market with gasoline and sells it over a hill. Petroleum products are one of the export items of the Russian Federation. Gas is gas. In the Russian Federation, iron ore, coal, and non-ferrous ores are mined. Steel, non-ferrous metals are smelted from them. According to these indicators, the Russian Federation has leading positions in the world, as well as the USA, China, and Japan. This is the final product. The Russian Federation produces planes, ships, cars for its market and sells it over the hill. 24% of the world arms market for the Russian Federation. This is the final product. And you can list for a long time. If you want to read, I have already described to one comrade why Russia is not a raw materials appendage.
            There I wrote everything about the final products. Google what Sitronics, Angstrom, Mikron, Russian Technologies, NPO Saturn, Salute, UEC are, what plants Rosnano has built and is building and others. They produce all the final products. According to IT-technologies. I think you use Yandex and Kaspersky.
      3. +5
        26 December 2012 15: 56
        Squandering our wealth, which was supposed to go to our children and grandchildren

        What the hell do we need all this for? Let the buyers sell while there is, while there is an opportunity to develop other industries due to this. The fact that the oil wars begin in the world is pure nonsense, artificial substitutes for oil have long been invented, just no one puts them into use, since then oil will immediately fall in price.
        through these pipes fresh water will begin to drive

        For a long time there are ways to treat fresh sea water.
        In general, I am for nationalization, it seems to me now this is the best option for development.
        1. Misantrop
          0
          26 December 2012 20: 24
          Quote: Joker
          For a long time there are ways to treat fresh sea water.

          And didn’t you try this miracle to taste? 10 years only and drank it, rare rubbish
          1. wax
            0
            26 December 2012 21: 48
            And where did they drink? In Mangyshlak?
          2. +1
            26 December 2012 22: 22
            Do not worry, as soon as the presses do the best quality. Oil will not be replaced; this is all not critical.
        2. +1
          26 December 2012 22: 38
          Quote: Joker
          For a long time there are ways to treat fresh sea water.


          This water is not recommended for use in food. hi
    2. +7
      26 December 2012 12: 27
      I think everything will be fine, if only there would be no war ...
      1. +6
        26 December 2012 13: 47
        ShturmKGB
        I think everything will be fine, if only there would be no war.

        And there’s such a ditty \

        From the sky, an asterisk fell Directly sweet to the pants. Let everything tear up there - If only there was no war
      2. +1
        26 December 2012 15: 45
        ShturmKGB
        I think everything will be fine, if only there would be no war ...

        So you can agree to the point that you need to remove the last shirt, turn the cheek, if only there was no war. In order for it not to exist, the adversary must see a readiness to receive a return, or even in advance - then there will be no war
        1. +1
          26 December 2012 19: 46
          this is a failure comrades in the USSR mined for processing ....
    3. rolik
      +1
      26 December 2012 14: 39
      Here are the largest projects, but many and much smaller in scale and no less important for the country.
      Specialists of the Plesetsk cosmodrome have begun testing the technical complex to prepare for the launch of Angara rockets, this is news from June
      Be a new rocket
      The laying of a new Losharik has begun in Severodvinsk. this is already to the question of the Arctic, primordially our territory.
      New buildings for the production of missiles for the S-400 complex.
      Much has been done. Very interesting has been said about our neighbors. It’s right that with boiling water from ... ut. A sweet tray is carried past the mouth of an open tray. Now the terminals located on their territory lose the role of the milking machine, with the help of which Russia could be brazenly milked and at the same time blather about the damned invaders. As they said in one cartoon:
      “They got their ration for today.”
      1. +2
        27 December 2012 03: 39
        rolik,
        By memory:
        - A shipbuilding complex is being built in Primorye. Will be able to produce vessels with a displacement of yes 350 tons
        - A new spaceport is being built (who else in the world is doing this?)
        - The world's first floating nuclear power plant is commissioned
        - BN-800 fast neutron reactor is being built
        - 3 (or 4) STAN 5000 work in the country, which was not even in the USSR
        - Laid the world's most powerful atomic icebreaker
        - Russia is one of 5 countries able to assemble supercomputers
        - Fertility for the first time in 20 exceeded mortality.
        - Russia begins export of poultry meat
        -Russia arms export ranks second in the world
        - Opened the largest glass factory in the world
        - A huge prom is under construction. Cluster "Titanium Valley"
        - In two years, the number of ships passing the Northern Sea Route has grown 10 times (from 4 to 46)
        -This year, Russia made 31 launches of spacecraft. (For comparison, the Americans are only 13)

        etc. a lot more.

        Here is much more detailed:
        http://www.moderniz.ru/
        http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs

        In general, judging by the news in the article, Putin is successfully building an energy power (not to be confused with a raw materials appendage, these are fundamentally different concepts). Energy is everyone who owns energy, that owns everything.
        1. rolik
          +1
          27 December 2012 11: 26
          ,
          Absolutely right, do not confuse a raw material colony with an energy monopoly (in the sense of a country).
    4. Don
      +1
      26 December 2012 15: 05
      Quote: NAV-STAR
      but it is a pity that in the framework they are aimed at pumping out raw materials, and not the development of high technologies for the production of the final product.

      Well, the construction of a nuclear power plant and the development of Klimov OJSC is the final product. High technology is not only microelectronics (although it is also produced in the Russian Federation). And the author has not written everything yet.
  2. +5
    26 December 2012 12: 13
    and the article is positive and the conclusion in the article is correct:
    Consequently, we can sum up the following: before us are samples for industrialization. But this is not her.
  3. +6
    26 December 2012 12: 16
    By the way, in the Murmansk region in Kirovsk a new plant for the production of phosphate raw materials is being built by the SZFK company. The factory has already been built, open pit mining is in progress, and the design and excavation of the subway is beginning. The power plant is not inferior to OJSC "Apatit", built pro-socialism and is a monopoly in the industry.
    The country comes to life.
    1. +9
      26 December 2012 12: 22
      The country will come to life when it restores its former borders and all industrial ties artificially broken in the 90s. But the Russian Federation is young, you are the engine for these processes.
      1. biglow
        +1
        26 December 2012 13: 44
        NAV-STAR,
        ... and Ukraine is moving towards a revolution
      2. Don
        +1
        26 December 2012 15: 07
        Quote: NAV-STAR
        The country will come to life when it restores its former borders and all industrial ties artificially broken in the 90s. But Russia’s youth,

        Of course, we are also trying to slowly, for example, we opened Dneprostal, but it’s far from the pace of the Russian Federation.
    2. sq
      +10
      26 December 2012 13: 08
      God give it. With a strong Russia and neighbors more fun, and the union will accelerate.
  4. +7
    26 December 2012 12: 19
    Just like a five-year plan :) already took pride in the country!
    I would like our economy to grow at the same pace!
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      +2
      26 December 2012 12: 24
      Read bro

      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/26919/
    2. +16
      26 December 2012 12: 41
      Quote: serjant4
      Just like a five-year plan :) already took pride in the country!


      There are achievements, to be sure.

      1,5% of the population of the Russian Federation owns 50% of national wealth.

      According to the CSI "Rosgosstrakh", in Russia, 1 people have an annual income of over $ 160.000 million, and 100.000 families have an annual income of over $ 440.000. 92% of large Russian industry, banks, etc. is foreign property. Swiss banks alone hold about $ 25 billion of Russian origin.
      There are 41 billionaires in the State Duma and the Federation Council, whose general condition is estimated at 1.056,6 billion rubles. In total, there are 114 billionaires in Russia with a combined capital of $ 297 billion. The state of the top ten for the year grew by almost a third and amounted to 182 billion dollars, while last year - 139 billion.

      for coal mining we “reached” the level of 1957, for the production of trucks - 1937, combines - 1933, tractors - 1931, wagons and fabrics - 1910, shoes - 1900. Well, of course, why all to produce it if you can buy for the "oil industry".
      the number of orphans in our country exceeded the figure of May 1945
      Compared to Soviet times, the number of livestock decreased (in millions of heads): sheep and goats - from 67 to 9,7, pigs - from 33,2 to 8,5, cows - from 20,6 to 12.
      a huge army of officials - more than one million one hundred thousand people. For comparison: in the USSR under Stalin there were about half a million, under Khrushchev it became 532 thousand.
      The Russian General Staff, according to Admiral E. Bardin, has now exceeded the Great Patriotic War in the number of officers working there. This is despite the fact that only since 1991 our army has been reduced by almost five times. Over the past 10 years, the Russian Navy has declined by 60%.

      There are over 1 million prisoners in the Russian Federation, while the cameras are designed for 700 thousand. In the notorious 1937, there were 200 thousand less prisoners in the then much larger Soviet Union
      The USSR occupied one of the first places in the world in the production of rural products: 2nd - in world production and 1st - in Europe. During the years of reforms, the entire agricultural infrastructure of the USSR disappeared, including 27.000 collective farms and 23.000 state farms provided with agricultural machinery and qualified personnel. Russia harvested in 2010 about 60 million tons of grain, half of the "pre-reform" amount at the usual rate - a ton of grain per person per year.

      Probably enough?
      1. +2
        26 December 2012 13: 32
        Well, how are you, dear Vadivak, everything is fine with us, we are rejoicing now, the sea of ​​oil is unlimited, our greed has not yet been lost, well, let the cattle not worry, and the streets aren’t drawn.
      2. +4
        26 December 2012 13: 40
        Correction - in the 2010 year of grain about 80 million tons were harvested.
        And as for the rest - you still need not evaluate gross figures, but specific details. Statistics is a crafty thing.

        I am not in the order of criticism, but I urge that Russia and the USSR not be compared - different countries, different economies. In the USSR, one tractor was produced at 1000 people. Today, what the hell? Both tractors became different, and tasks have changed.
        And so in everything.
        1. +5
          26 December 2012 13: 44
          Quote: Botanologist
          And as for the rest - you still need not evaluate gross figures, but specific details

          Go to the store and evaluate what is domestic there, I mean shoes, clothes, household appliances, etc.
          1. +4
            26 December 2012 14: 37
            Quote: Vadivak
            Go to the store and evaluate what is domestic there, I mean shoes, clothes, household appliances, etc.

            Refrigerators, boots and televisions, it’s good, it’s good that they exist, no matter where they come from, the strength and power of the country is determined not by the release of these, you must admit that all this is bought with domestic rubles earned here in our country and, by no means oligarchs.
            As always, we want everything at once, so, unfortunately, it doesn’t happen.
            It will not be possible to live in complete isolation from the rest of the world, leading a subsistence economy, and is it necessary?
            1. +2
              26 December 2012 15: 20
              Quote: Old Rocketman
              you must admit that all this is bought with domestic rubles earned here in our country


              I admit that everything imported is bought for domestic rubles. And I would like that all domestic would be bought for the domestic currency
          2. Don
            +4
            26 December 2012 15: 14
            Quote: Vadivak
            Go to the store and evaluate what is domestic there, I mean shoes, clothes, household appliances, etc.

            You can compare in another way. One sold Su-30MK will bring more money to the state than millions of pants sewn in Bangladesh. And I’ve been in your stores. Most products are made by yourself. What can I say when you bring Sneakers to us in Ukraine, I even have shampoo from the Russian Federation at home. And with clothes and shoes, I think you have the same situation as ours. Buy clothes made in your own country. And you will begin to raise your light industry, and Turkish and Polish less intermediaries will purchase.
            1. max-02215
              +1
              26 December 2012 15: 30
              I agree, with you, in Soviet times, the light industry did not shine, or rather, even produced all sorts of crap. The trouble is that the dermokratisers shouted about the inefficiency of the Soviet industry, but in fact we see it. that for 20 nothing, except for the sale of raw materials (again, the lion's share in your pocket), practically nothing was created. Of course, the Amur highway has finally been built, they are making a normal route to Yakutsk, it seems like they are going to beat the Yakutsk-Magadan road, that's good! But if you could see what kind of devastation there is in the Far East: Transbaikalia, the Amur Region are just surviving there, there is no work there at all, in the Urals most of the metallurgy has been destroyed, the example of the Beloretsk MK blast furnaces were dismantled, a unique mill was dismantled - a couple of workshops remained, but if you take the whole Urals ? - Subversion and genocide, so that the article is an oredny stuffing of medveput ...
              1. Don
                +2
                26 December 2012 18: 28
                Quote: max-02215
                in the Urals, most of the metallurgy was destroyed, for example, the Beloretsky MK blast furnaces were dismantled, a unique mill was dismantled, and a couple of workshops remained, and if you take all the Urals?

                As for metallurgy, I fundamentally disagree with you. Russia is on the 4th place in the world in steel production. How then is it destroyed? The company where I work practically all this and last year worked for the Ural steel. I myself went to Novotroitsk several times. Now we are going to conclude a contract with Mechel. At their plants, construction, repair and reconstruction work is in full swing. In the Urals we can see. Chelyabinsk, Magnitogorsk, Novotroitsk, Orsk. Factories work. Look at the places of Russian metallurgical corporations in the ranking. What does high-quality rolled products do at Magnitogorsk, not that we have a semi-finished product in Ukraine.
            2. +2
              26 December 2012 15: 32
              Quote: Don
              One sold Su-30MK will bring more money to the state than millions of pants sewn in Bangladesh.


              This is because raw materials are needed for cowards, and his Skrynnik has taken to France, there is no agricultural means and there are no cowards, calm citizens go home,
              Quote: Don
              Buy clothes produced in your country

              ??? Its Chinese from Chinese material have been sewing for about 15 years. Even franchises like Yours and those that sell in China, sew a life label and a domestic product is ready.
              1. +3
                26 December 2012 18: 09
                This is because raw materials are needed for cowards.

                Vadivak, ёktl, cotton does not grow in Russia. Well, synthetics are not a question, at least sports, at least thongs.

                As for our clothes, all the shops selling men's suits were specially passed in the hypermarket. About 80% - OUR! And the quality, by the way, is not bad.

                Of course, I’m not saying that China would overtake on consumer goods, but let's objectively ...
              2. Don
                +1
                26 December 2012 18: 30
                Quote: Vadivak
                no agricultural means no cowards,

                laughing good Well said. But agricultural is not only cotton and linen.
                Quote: Vadivak
                Its Chinese from Chinese material have been sewing for about 15 years. Even franchises like Yours and those that sell in China, sew a life label and a domestic product is ready.

                I don’t think that there are no manufacturers of Russian clothes at all.
            3. Alexey Prikazchikov
              +3
              26 December 2012 15: 38
              Our refrigerators are great, they make in Krska, for example, "Biryusa" Nord is not inferior either in design or in quality. Unless it consumes more energy. We make shoes ourselves and they are excellent. But for the military, we did it and we do it. With regards to clothing. Yes, we do either cheap or expensive branded clothes not for our souls. Yes, we make stoves. The "Ocean" plant was restored in the Far East. They make LCD TVs and home cinema theaters. Unless there are still problems with the PC, but it's doable. Recently, ours released an experimental batch of monoblocks from RF components in Kaliningrad. Yes, mobile phones from last year began to be made from their own components. As for the harvesters, we have 18% of the world market, and we have done just a few years. Our combines are bought even in the USA. So we'll see what happens next.
              1. +3
                26 December 2012 16: 22
                Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                Our refrigerators are great, they make in Krska for example "Biryusa"


                up to 90% of parts are made independently from materials and components from world famous manufacturers such as BASF, Danfoss, DOW, Ticona, Ilpea, Samsung.

                Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                Our harvesters even buy in the USA.


                A Rostselmash rotary combine harvester is participating in the threshing of bread of a new crop in 2011 in the USA. They have not bought a single one yet, they said 35 could be bought,
                TORUM 760 engines Cummins new series - QSX-11,9 (TIER IV i)., Reaper Power Stream1., hydromechanical system for copying the relief of a field.Level Glide, beater inclined camera, axial rotor with rotating deck, stepless rotor drive ARS total in it is about 40% of imported components,
                1. 0
                  26 December 2012 18: 13
                  up to 90% of parts are made independently from materials and components from world famous manufacturers such as BASF, Danfoss, DOW, Ticona, Ilpea, Samsung.

                  Do not fantasize. Components in Kursk and Idud from Orel and Lipetsk.
          3. +2
            26 December 2012 18: 02
            There are a lot of clothes, for example. Bed linen is also in stock. Shoe - mainly hunting, boots, galoshes, boots, etc.

            From what is being done in Russia, ceramic tiles come under the brand name Velor, an Italian factory in Orel. Also in the Mines, Oskol - our plants, imported brands.

            As for building materials - I did the flooring in the spring, bought a Chinese laminate. Crispy - do not tear your eyes. But after the first run I went and bought Russian - the quality is many times better. And indeed, almost all of our building materials, except for paint and varnish products.

            Well, everything else is the same - there is ours, there is import. And there is ours under the import sticker.

            With household appliances is much worse, but it is not very much in the USSR. In addition to cast-iron and aluminum pans, of course.

            But there is still a big question - whether it is necessary to produce everything in the country, from a toothpick to a rocket. There are no such countries, even China buys a lot of things. The acute question is only about critical technologies, which we seem to have not all lost. And some even got it.
            1. Don
              0
              27 December 2012 15: 02
              Quote: Botanologist
              even China buys a lot of things.

              That's it. Won recently a contract for the purchase of engines of the Russian Federation with China concluded. And here some of them all went about the raw material. Of course, few people hunt in a situation. For this, you need to read something.
        2. Misantrop
          +2
          26 December 2012 20: 27
          Quote: Botanologist
          In the USSR, one tractor was produced per 1000 people.

          And today one Porsche is being bought. But not all of them ride it together wink
          1. +3
            26 December 2012 21: 54
            Well, it's like in a joke about the Decembrist's daughter, remember? "We have fulfilled your father's dream, there are no rich in Russia!" - "It's strange. My father dreamed that there would be no poor in Russia."
      3. evil hamster
        +11
        26 December 2012 16: 12
        Buddy your post is nonsense from a to z.

        1. "92% of large Russian industry, banks, etc. is foreign property." - Sberbank, VTB, Rosneft and Gazprom alone are enough to prove that these numbers lie

        2. "We" reached "the level of 1957 in coal production" - no, we did not reach in 1957 coal production in the RSFSR - 286 mln. tons, RF 2012 - approximately 350 ml. t., it should be borne in mind that the share of coal in the generation of electricity and heat was 65% in 57, and now 35%. Conclusion: your postulate lies

        3. "for the production of trucks - 1937" Oga oga in 37 in the USSR released about 200 thousand trucks (almost all three-ton), in 2012 in of Russia 10 thousand Buses and 45 thousand trucks were produced in 172 months, and Kamaz mastered 43 thousand (this is with a carrying capacity of 8 tons or more), plus the Urals plus all kinds of Volvo. And it’s worth noting that in the country in 37 there were stupidly not enough trucks and it was necessary to have at least some more, but now you need exactly as many as are available from the fleet. Conclusion: a lie and an attempt to replace concepts

        4. "carriages and fabrics - 1910" Mukhahahaha tin. Mil man in Russian Empire maximum production fell in 1915, 36 thousand. But these were biaxial wagons, it's like with your passage about trucks like a three-ton truck and a main tractor and a 4-axle dump truck - "cargo trucks" but there is a difference :) Let's go back to our rams wagons in the USSR in the period 80 - 90 years, on average, 85 thousand wagons were produced per year. 2011 thousand wagons were produced in the territory of the former USSR in 117 (almost all were bought by the Russian Federation) in 2012 of Russia approximately 70-72 thousand wagons will be produced (the RSFSR indicator is cut in about two), and taking into account Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan, production may exceed 120 thousand.
        About the fabrics, it's honestly too lazy to look for you lied enough to not believe your post, please be kind enough to voice the numbers on your bids.

        There is simply no time to understand the points below, but I think that everything is clear to everyone already.
        1. +3
          26 December 2012 18: 19
          Copyastnu one file, in the industry.

          In recent years, it is customary to talk a lot about a certain “oil needle” on which our economy sits. This suggests that if heavy industry is in decline, then we probably began to produce more oil. In 2010, a lot of oil was actually pumped out of the bowels of the Motherland: 505 million tons (including gas condensate). But 1990 million tons were produced in 516, and 1984 million tons in 561, which is more than now. Yes, oil prices have seriously grown, we don’t have to pump out a lot of oil, but we will not forget about the enormously increased domestic consumption. Soviet Russia produced in 1988. 570 million tons of oil, and exported about 120 million tons, using 450 million tons.
          Modern Russia has been stably producing the last 5 years 490-500 million tons of oil per year, consumes oil several times less than in the Soviet period, which allows increasing the export dose of oil and oil products to 330-350 million tons.
          The export of engineering products for January-August of 2011 amounted to 15,9 billion dollars, 129,5% to the corresponding period of 2010. At the same time, exports to non-CIS countries amounted to 11,5 billion dollars. (145%), to the CIS countries - 4,4 billion dollars. (101,1%).
          As you can see, the export of equipment this year will be equal to that of the USSR-89.
          There is no fall anymore and it was a percentage, because the total Russian exports EXCEED the total exports of the USSR 3 TIMES !!
        2. -1
          27 December 2012 04: 37
          evil hamster,
          Excellent. drinks
          How tired of these false Zyuganov’s agitation. Stupid comparison of numbers in complete isolation from realities (demand, complexity, etc.).
        3. 0
          27 December 2012 09: 28
          oh yes well done - not too lazy to raise so much interesting information. Studied with pleasure. Thank!
      4. -1
        27 December 2012 04: 29
        Quote: Vadivak
        in coal mining we “reached” the level of 1957.

        Figures and source lead.

        Quote: Vadivak
        Compared to Soviet times, the number of livestock decreased (in millions of heads): sheep and goats - from 67 to 9,7, pigs - from 33,2 to 8,5, cows - from 20,6 to 12.

        What Soviet time? more precisely.

        Quote: Vadivak
        Russia harvested in 2010 about 60 million tons of grain, half of the "pre-reform" amount at the usual rate - a ton of grain per person per year.

        So then, in my opinion, was there a drought or not? And in 2009, 95 million tons were collected. And in 2011, the same. why is it that the dry year of 2010 was chosen in your campaign? To enhance the effect?
        Or can it compare times closer to our reality?
        We look at statistics on the RSFSR:


        And some more statistics (throughout the USSR !!!):

        Table 1. Gross grain harvests (million tons) in Russia (USSR).
        Year Gross Grain Harvest
        1900----------56 [8]).
        1908 - 1912 - an average of 72 [9, 10]
        1910 - 1914 - an average of 70,1 [11]
        1908 ---------- 72,3 [calculation based on average of 12]
        1909 ---------- 72,3 [calculation based on average of 13]
        1910 ---------- 72,3 [calculation based on average of 14]
        1911 ---------- 62,0 million tons [15]
        1912 ---------- 81,2 million tons [16]
        1913 ---------- 90,2 million tons [17, 18]; 89,6 [19]; 80,1 [20]
        1914 ---------- 76,6 million tons (if with the Polish provinces [21])
        1915 ---------- 77,3 million tons (if with the Polish provinces [22])
        1916 -----------?
        1917 -----------?
        1918 -----------?
        1919 -----------?
        1920 ----------- 46,1 million tons (within the new borders of the USSR, [23])
        1921 ----------- 37,6 [24]
        1922 ----------- 50,3 [25]
        1923 ----------- 56,6 [26]
        1924 ----------- 51,4 [27]
        1925 ----------- 72,5 [28]
        1926 ----------- 76,8 [29]
        1927 ----------- 73,4 [30]
        1928 ----------- 72,3 [31]; 71,6 [32]
        1929 ----------- 71,7 [33]; 70,1 [34]
        1930 ----------- 83,5 [35]; 78,8 [36]; 84 [37]
        http://www.contrtv.ru/common/2505/

        And these figures are very crafty. Now, so many tractors and combines are not needed, because productivity has grown significantly.
        And here's about the "quality" of those combines: http://bash-m-ak.livejournal.com/7399.html (in the 80s the MTBF ranged from 4 to 13 hours!)

        And here about the cars: http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/25437/

        In general, all this is very similar to the Zuganov’s crafty agitation.
        Quote: Vadivak
        92% of large Russian industry, banks, etc., are foreign property. Only in Swiss banks is about $ 25 billion of Russian origin.

        And if you write about it, then indicate the reasons. Do you know them?
        And I’ll write again: to compare modern Russia, which is limited both in domestic politics and in the economy with the sovereign of the USSR, is at least not true. It is necessary not only to take empty numbers, but also to indicate the historical, political and economic context of that period. Otherwise, it’s corny statistics.
        1. +3
          27 December 2012 05: 20
          Quote: kos
          What Soviet time? more precisely.

          And what to bring them, the number of livestock decreased and Putin spoke about it last year arguing with the Communists on the air. It could not but decrease due to objective reasons, devastated state farms and collective farms contributed.
          1. -1
            27 December 2012 06: 15
            Alexander Romanov,
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            devastated state farms and collective farms have contributed

            So they ruined themselves by slaughtering cattle, having lost the "wise" leadership of the Politburo, which threw the whole country. Yeltsin, of course, is also "not a gift", but he is from the same cohort of "selflessly devoted", which, by the way, was the majority in the Duma , almost ten years.
            And what did they do?-In addition to rampant "suverinet" nothing.
            1. 0
              27 December 2012 08: 39
              Cattle were not allowed to live under a knife under a good life.

              Quote: Old Rocketman
              So they ruined themselves by slaughtering cattle, having lost the "wise" leadership of the Politburo, which threw the whole country. Yeltsin, of course, is also "not a gift", but he is from the same cohort of "selflessly devoted", which, by the way, was the majority in the Duma , almost ten years.


              Kurgan region all in ruins, it is most visually visually visible when calling from the Tyumen region. PGT Isetskoye, on the city of Shchadrinsk. (In the USSR, the region was exclusively agriculturally oriented)
              It’s like flying from winter to summer.
              1. 0
                27 December 2012 12: 10
                Papakiko,
                And who says it’s good? Read on after the seventh word.
  5. +5
    26 December 2012 12: 33
    Well, the execution of plans is impressive, but what will the people get, i.e. workers and peasants, labor intelligentsia ?, all the cream will go to the oligarchs, Potanin, Prokhorov, Miller and Medvedev, Deripaska and others, you can’t list everyone, to the Boards of Directors, top, top managers, everything will go to offshore zones, well, for full implementation in the life of the thesis that the state is not an effective owner, but only a private trader, to turn over the processing and manufacture of nuclear weapons into the private hands of Vekselberg and Abramovich.
    1. Don
      0
      26 December 2012 15: 17
      Quote: valokordin
      Well, the execution of plans is impressive, but what will the people get, i.e. workers and peasants, labor intelligentsia ?, all the cream will go to the oligarchs, Potanin, Prokhorov, Miller and Medvedev, Deripaska and others, you can’t list everyone, to the Boards of Directors, top, top managers, everything will go to offshore zones, well, for full implementation in the life of the thesis that the state is not an effective owner,

      In fact, the state owns Gazprom and Rosneft. Workers at the Deripaska and Prokhorov plants (Russian aluminum and Norilsk Nickel) receive good salaries. Farmers significant subsidies. And what is this mysterious labor intelligentsia?
    2. +1
      26 December 2012 20: 36
      all the cream will go to the oligarchs, Potanin, Prokhorov, Miller and Medvedev, Deripaska and others

      Firstly, all over the world, all the cream is always given to the owner of the enterprise. This is how life works.
      Secondly, in Soviet times, when everything was "nationwide", I somehow do not remember the cream. Salary, bonus, 13th prize. They didn't even think about the rest.
      Thirdly, if Prokhorov or Abramovich will build factories in Russia, is that bad? The factories will still be Russian, and our people will work for them, and the products will be ours.
      Fourth, all the votes for nationalization - this is some kind. We have Gazprom and Rosneft state corporations - so what? Miller what, poorer than Deripaska? Or does Chubais live in a one-room apartment in Biryulyovo for a modest salary and shop in a bakery? Enough of your fantasies, otherwise we will begin to divide the indivisible and rob the loot. History has already shown what nationalization is, and what government is in any industry.
  6. fenix57
    +5
    26 December 2012 12: 33
    But at the same time you are convinced that Russia is only a raw material.
    1. Don
      -1
      26 December 2012 15: 17
      Quote: fenix57
      But at the same time you are convinced that Russia is only a raw material.

      Do not carry nonsense.
      1. evg5835
        +4
        26 December 2012 15: 51
        Quote: Don
        Do not carry nonsense.

        Another question is, who is talking nonsense here))) I look, some manufacturers gathered here. Amateurs ruin any business) I'll tell you a secret. Our machine-tool and instrument-making industry are in full ... ne. The re-equipment of enterprises is carried out, but almost 100% of the equipment is foreign. There are more kickbacks on it. And while no state policy in this area is observed. These industries are the litmus test of any economy. As soon as they begin to raise them, you can safely go to bed with faith in a brighter future) In the meantime, 60% of our GDP is traders. We are still balancing on the brink. I really look forward to landings and still believe in Putin. It's time to drive all the evil from the country.
        1. Don
          +1
          26 December 2012 19: 29
          Quote: evg5835
          Another question, who is talking nonsense here))

          Quote: evg5835
          I'll tell you a secret.

          Let me tell you a secret, too, why I do not consider the Russian Federation a raw materials appendage. A raw materials appendage does not launch rockets into space, does not produce satellites, does not have a satellite navigation system (no one else has it in the world except the USA and the Russian Federation), does not produce 5th and 4th generation aircraft and the most advanced nuclear submarines, does not build nuclear power plants It doesn’t produce nuclear fuel to the whole world, it is not in the leading places in the world in the production of steel, aluminum, nickel and other metals, it does not produce microelectronics and optical-mechanical products, it does not produce and does not sell its armored vehicles and cars, it does not produce chemical products industry.
          I can’t even tell you about economic factors, because you in economics understand how I'm judging by ballet
          Quote: evg5835
          In the meantime, 60% of our GDP is traders. We are still balancing on the brink.

          Respected in any economically developed state, the majority of the population is engaged in the service sector. Trade gives 16,2% of GDP and this is normal. Look at the sectoral structure of the GDP of other countries. Here, some generally think that 90% of Russia's GDP is oil and gas. And in your opinion, everything should be behind the machines.
          1. evg5835
            +2
            27 December 2012 01: 25
            I just don’t have to tell a secret. I observe this whole situation from the inside) Not everything is as smooth as you sing) So far, the Soviet backlog has been used. By the way, in Ukraine, you also have, for example, Motor Sich, with which we would have to cooperate in the mind. But we’re not at war and we put sticks in the wheels) And at the expense of imbalances in the structure of our economy, they are recognized even by the Government and the President. You see, reselling goods and thereby increasing GDP is not just about creating them. And by this indicator we exceed the level of developed economies (including China and India) by 2 times. And for the machines people, the time will come, go, we will not go anywhere. Great Russia will look different, and it will not be impossible not to notice this). We hopefully are already at the beginning of the journey.
        2. 0
          27 December 2012 04: 47
          Quote: evg5835
          Our machine-tool and instrument-making industry are in full ... ne. The re-equipment of enterprises is carried out, but almost 100% of the equipment is foreign.

          If you just woke up, then we recently had a collapse of the country, and then the destruction of your declared industries during the so-called privatization.
          now our country is forced to repeat the path of the USSR of the 30s, when machinery and equipment were the main import item.

          Quote: evg5835
          Our machine-tool and instrument-making industry are in full ... ne. The re-equipment of enterprises is carried out, but almost 100% of the equipment is foreign.

          If you just woke up, then we recently had a collapse of the country, and then the destruction of your declared industries during the so-called privatization.
          now our country is forced to repeat the path of the USSR of the 30s, when machinery and equipment were the main import item.

          Quote: evg5835
          I'll tell you a secret. Our machine-tool and instrument-making industry are in full ... ne.

          If you just woke up, then we recently had a collapse of the country, and then the destruction of your declared industries during the so-called privatization.
          now our country is forced to repeat the path of the USSR of the 30s, when machinery and equipment were the main import item
        3. -2
          27 December 2012 05: 04
          Quote: evg5835
          I'll tell you a secret. Our machine-tool and instrument-making industry are in full ... ne. The re-equipment of enterprises is carried out, but almost 100% of the equipment is foreign.

          If you have not been here for a long time, it will not be out of place to tell you that the country collapsed not so long ago here, and the industries you mentioned were deliberately collapsed during the so-called privatization. Now Russia is forced to follow the path of the USSR of the 30s, when machinery and equipment were the main import item.
          1. evg5835
            0
            27 December 2012 13: 35
            What for? I am not opposed to the import of machinery and equipment, but this process must be approached carefully) Why should this import be to the detriment of our manufacturers? To this day, there is simply NO policy to support domestic machine tool building! On the contrary, we strongly support this very import. For me, for example, this is a mystery why this is so. Just imagine how many industries you need to load to make a machine of medium complexity. In our Government, real production workers are completely absent. There is no one to intercede. Comrade Ustinov, deeply respected by me, was once a locksmith. And now there are none. I bow to him.
  7. Ivan Mazyr
    +2
    26 December 2012 12: 37
    And for whom to rejoice? Not a country but a raw materials appendage of Europe.
    1. Don
      +1
      26 December 2012 15: 18
      Quote: Ivan Mazyr
      And for whom to rejoice? Not a country but a raw materials appendage of Europe.

      And you don’t have anyone. You have cereal in your head if you call the Russian Federation a raw materials appendage.
    2. 0
      26 December 2012 22: 00
      Not a country but a raw materials appendage of Europe.

      Figures in the studio! To argue like this, serious arguments are needed. Do you have them? Less for stupidity.
    3. 0
      27 December 2012 04: 45
      Quote: Ivan Mazyr
      And for whom to rejoice? Not a country but a raw materials appendage of Europe.

      Try to think a little and figure out how the energy power differs from the raw materials appendage.
      I believe that you will succeed. And do not repeat stupid cliches.
      Norway's income of more than 60% is the sale of oil, Australia and Canada about 45%. But something is not particularly heard whining in their country about this.
      1. Don
        0
        27 December 2012 15: 26
        Quote: kos
        Try to think a little and figure out how the energy power differs from the raw materials appendage.

        Dear he will not succeed. It is easier to hear a myth and blindly believe in it, than to read something, and to figure out something.
  8. -2
    26 December 2012 13: 02
    Something needs to be changed ... Or someone ... Tired of ... ENOUGH !!!
    1. Don
      0
      27 December 2012 15: 27
      Quote: rennim
      Tired of ... ENOUGH

      And what are you tired of wondering?
  9. snek
    +5
    26 December 2012 13: 09
    The first four "projects" are aimed at increasing sales unrecognizable resources abroad. If this is our largest project for the near future, then for a long time we will remain an energy power / raw materials appendage.
  10. StolzSS
    0
    26 December 2012 13: 17
    Well, high technologies need to be understood before developing, and it would also be desirable to understand how to monetize them, otherwise they will build a super cruiser and then puzzle over what to do with it ... and the fact that we have a lot of work to do so is a fact, the next years may be even more successful in terms of implementing large-scale and not very projects.
    1. +1
      26 December 2012 14: 02
      High tech? I can’t believe that there are no advanced technologies in the nuclear power. Just why is there something for the top officials to build and produce here, with a payback period of several years, if you can stupidly engage in the sale of raw materials and the purchase of everything else with good kickbacks
      1. Don
        0
        26 December 2012 15: 20
        Quote: Dangerous
        It’s just why the top officials have to build and produce something here, with a payback period of several years,

        Well, for some reason Veksilberg invests in Skolkovo.
        1. paul33
          -1
          27 December 2012 08: 32
          you yourself understood what you said, Vekselberg is investing money in Skolkovo, he is cutting state funds on Skolkovo
    2. evg5835
      +2
      26 December 2012 16: 01
      Quote: StolzSS
      otherwise they will build a super cruiser

      This cruiser still needs to be built) Any major project pulls along the chain all other industries. In the meantime, we are not even half capable of what the Soviet Union was doing. We have already begun to fall rockets. Although I know people who made the same accelerating blocks, when everything else was flying fine. The factories are also full of bad people. And this is not an empty hi, a statement of facts!
  11. +3
    26 December 2012 13: 45
    Excellent "pump" designs. I thought ...
  12. +1
    26 December 2012 13: 58
    This happens because our leading "elite" lives in the present day. That is, in the next 3-5 years, sell as much as possible, while there is an opportunity, fill the already huge accounts in foreign banks, and then at least the grass will not grow. Children then study with them abroad and if there is suddenly some mess, they will live there. And what will remain for our children, literally in 20-25 years, when the oil reserves come to an end? Gasoline at 100 rubles per liter? In the end, open up good, modern production facilities, factories and factories. not for the transfer of natural resources abroad, but for the manufacture of final products. With our purely Russian owners, and not with incomprehensible companies registered in offshore zones
    1. 0
      27 December 2012 05: 01
      Quote: Dangerous
      In the end, open up good, modern production plants and factories. not for the transfer of natural resources abroad, but for the manufacture of final types of products. With our purely Russian owners, and not with obscure companies registered in offshore zones

      It is also difficult to argue with your words, as well as with the statement that it is better to be rich and healthy than the poor and sick.
      But it is one thing to want, and another to have real opportunities to do it.
  13. snek
    +4
    26 December 2012 14: 02
    7. Boguchanskaya HPP

    In October, the first units of the country's largest hydropower construction facility, the Boguchanskaya Hydroelectric Power Station, were commissioned. She bears the well-deserved title of the most complex hydroelectric long-term construction. Pledged in 1974 object, woke up from the hibernation only in 2006 year.

    That is, this hydroelectric power station under the USSR was built for at least ten years (or rather all 15) and now they have been building for 6 years and are planning to start full-fledged work only in 2014. The planned capacity is 3000 MW. So, for comparison, the Chinese hydroelectric power station "Three Gorges" - it was built, of course, only a little less - 20 years, but its capacity is 22.500 MW.
    1. Marine One
      +2
      26 December 2012 14: 41
      Quote: snek
      7. Boguchanskaya HPP

      Boguchanka is part of the Boguchansk Energy and Metallurgical Association (BEMO), in fact, a pocket hydroelectric power station for servicing the Boguchansk aluminum smelter "RUSAL".
    2. TekhnarMAF
      +2
      26 December 2012 14: 50
      I agree to all 100! In 1977-79 I had a chance to live and work in Ust-Ilimsk, so we were "wooed" to Boguchany, i.e. then the preparatory work began. How many years have passed since then?
  14. +6
    26 December 2012 14: 02
    the only positive is the Klimovsk engines and hydroelectric power stations, and so everything is for the good of the west, note that the date of the start of construction of the hydroelectric power station is 1974. In 40 years it would be possible to build a "Death Star" from the moon
    1. Don
      0
      26 December 2012 15: 22
      Quote: tomket
      and so for the good of the West

      Of course, this is good for the West and the East. They are now paying big money for oil and gas. fool
  15. atomic
    +5
    26 December 2012 14: 14
    I can’t find an answer to two questions. 1. Why are more and more drugs being produced, and I get sick more and more? 2. Why in the camp where there is everything (oil, gas, nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power stations, state district power plants), the prices for energy resources are almost the same as in Europe, where there is nothing?
    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
      +2
      26 December 2012 15: 42
      Not like in Europe prices this time. Two in Norway which per capita produces oil more gasoline 4 times more expensive. And are three sick? Start caring for yourself, sign up for a rocking chair if you normally drink vitamins. Do not smoke or drink, and you will not be sick.
      1. Igor
        +2
        26 December 2012 18: 36
        Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
        Two in Norway which per capita produces oil; more gas; 4 times more expensive


        Not 4, but 2 times, and the per capita GDP there is $ 60.000, and we have 24 thousand, and even those averages in the hospital)))
      2. paul33
        -1
        27 December 2012 08: 37
        you just forgot to name the salary level in that Norway, how many liters of gas an average Norwegian citizen can buy for his average salary.
    2. Don
      0
      26 December 2012 16: 39
      Quote: atomic
      energy prices are almost the same as in Europe, where there is nothing?

      Google gas prices in Russia and Europe. In Austria, 1,6 euros, in Belgium 1,7 euros, in Germany 1,65 euros, in Italy 1,9 euros, in the Netherlands 1,9 euros. And now let's see the price of gas in countries where there is a lot of oil. Norway 2,01 euros, Azerbaijan 1,5 euros, United Kingdom 1,8 euros. In Russia, the most expensive $ 1.
      1. Igor
        +2
        26 December 2012 18: 43
        Quote: Don
        And now let's see the price of gas in countries where there is a lot of oil. Norway 2,01 euros, Azerbaijan 1,5 euros, United Kingdom 1,8 euros. In Russia, the most expensive $ 1.


        And that's it? And where is Venezuela, the countries of BV, Turkmenistan, oh yes there is so much gasoline that we don’t even sell urine for that kind of money)))

        Quote: Don
        In Russia, the most expensive $ 1.


        It’s still looking where, but they still manage to body him.
        1. +1
          27 December 2012 15: 47
          Is it your badyazhat? When I go to Russia for work, I don’t recognize my car - after the first refueling it just comes to life. I always come to you with a dry tank, and on the road I still pick up a canister, and this is at all gas stations. Come to our Ukraine - and you will learn what body weight is.
  16. max-02215
    +1
    26 December 2012 14: 50
    But it wasn’t necessary, in due time, to lay down under the tanks in front of the white house, you look and Chubais would already be serving his term, and the rest of the Soviet-Jewish elite would gnash their teeth from behind the hill .....
  17. ksandr45
    +2
    26 December 2012 14: 59
    Grow and grow your native power :-)
  18. Igor
    +1
    26 December 2012 18: 09
    Hell..no !!! Not a single project in the field of microelectronics, medicine, space, robotics, machine tools sad
  19. +2
    26 December 2012 21: 23
    The trend is certainly positive, but that fly in the ointment .................. work is needed in every city, village, village of which there are thousands in the vast expanses of Russia. But the construction of such giants is usually leads to an imbalance in a single region or district. I'm not saying that we again produce raw materials!
  20. sapulid
    +2
    26 December 2012 22: 19
    The road will be overcome by a walker! Thank God the movement has begun. So I want to live up to the time when Russia will be strong, and its people are rich and happy. For the first time in history.
  21. Praetorian
    +1
    27 December 2012 00: 42
    Raw materials, raw materials, raw materials ...
    1. caiman crocodilus
      0
      27 December 2012 15: 36
      Only to point 6 read?
  22. demon ada
    +1
    27 December 2012 14: 28
    only in our country is it possible to "smear" the native state,
    which gave you life, livelihoods, work, housing, food.
    which protects you, gives hope for the future.
    and you at that moment blaspheme him, people who do all this and think
    that you are the smartest and do everything right.
    don't like vali from the court to where you think is better
    and do not bother us to build a RUSSIA OF THE FUTURE.
  23. caiman crocodilus
    0
    27 December 2012 15: 34
    Igor,

    Such a conclusion based on a small article?
    Check back often at sdelanounas.ru. There, and about microelectronics and about medicine and about space and about children. gardens and much more.
  24. 0
    27 December 2012 17: 12
    Do you know what guys? I read all the discussions, and caught myself thinking that people who ... r. To the country, for some reason consider themselves patriots. What are you talking about?
    I'm not saying that you need to love all the scum that has seized power, but to hate everyone and everything so much, while considering yourself a patriot, is too much. You are aware of the fact that your hatred is a path to another murder by the "correct" "wrong", "patriots" of the "unpatriots", and then we have already passed. The revolution, all the whites - to the yard, all the red - to the service, the people - to the collective farms, and so on.
    What, again, someone wants to replace the evolution of development with surgical intervention?
    As a biologist, I will tell you one thing - there is no development without anomalies, deformation of various elements, "growing pains" and others. And this must be endured. I personally have no doubt that the country's calm development - even with the Deripaskas, even with the Vekselbergs - is better than another naughty man with a sailor Zheleznyak at the head of the requisitioning squad.
    Therefore, let’s calmly draw a picture of our dreams about Russia this year in 2050 and think about how it will be better, through the knee, or calmly. And do not forget that all the shocks will fall on the shoulders of our children and grandchildren. We’ll survive anyway, our whole life from one perestroika to another, we’ve got used to it already.
    1. Don
      0
      27 December 2012 18: 35
      Quote: Botanologist
      I read all the discussions, and caught myself thinking

      Totally agree with you. Very correct and sober thoughts. Shake your hand.

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