One of the symbols of victory

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One of the symbols of victory


The upgraded T-34 was recognized as the best medium a tank at the final stage of the second world war



History decreed that one of the greatest victories of the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War — near Kursk — was achieved at a time when the Soviet armored and mechanized troops (BT and MV) were qualitatively inferior to the German Pancerffe. By the summer of 1943, the most painful design flaws of the T-34 were eliminated, but the Germans had new Tiger and Panther tanks, which were noticeably superior to our weapons and armor thickness.

Therefore, during the Battle of Kursk, Soviet tank formations, as before, had to rely on their numerical superiority over the enemy. Only in some cases, when the thirty-three managed to get close to the German tanks very closely, the fire of their guns became effective. On the agenda was the question of a radical modernization of the T-34, and especially in terms of its weapons.

A more powerful gun is needed


At the end of August at the plant number 112, a meeting was held at which V. A. Malyshev, Commissar of the Tank Industry arrived, Ya.N. Fedorenko, commander of the armored and mechanized forces of the Red Army, and responsible officers of the People's Commissariat of Arms. In his speech, Malyshev noted that the victory in the Battle of Kursk went to the Red Army at a high price. Enemy tanks fired from a distance of 1500 meters, while our 76-mm tank guns could hit the Tigers and Panthers only from 500-600 meters. “Figuratively speaking,” said the people's commissar, “the enemy has a hand a mile and a half, and we are only half a kilometer away. It is necessary to immediately install a more powerful gun in the T-34. ”

In fact, the situation was much worse than it was described by the People's Commissar. But attempts to rectify the situation have been made since the beginning of 1943.


As early as April 15, the GKO in response to the appearance of new German tanks on the Soviet-German front issued a decree “On measures to strengthen anti-tank defense”, which obliged the State Aviation Administration to subject anti-tank and tank guns in mass production to ground testing and submit to 10-day time your conclusion. In accordance with this document, the deputy commander of BT and MV Lieutenant-General of Tank Forces V.M. Korobkov ordered to use the trophy "Tigr" during the tests, which took place from 25 to 30 in April 1943 of the year at NIBTPpolygon in Kubinka. The results were not encouraging. So, the X-NUMX-mm armor-piercing tracer of the F-76 cannon did not penetrate the onboard armor of the German tank, even from a distance of 34 meters! The 200-mm 85K anti-aircraft gun of the 52 model of the year, which pierced its 1939-mm frontal armor from a distance to 1000 meters, turned out to be the most effective means of fighting the new enemy machine.

On May 5, 1943, the State Defense Committee adopted a resolution “On strengthening artillery armament of tanks and self-propelled guns." In it, the NKTP and NKV were given specific tasks for the creation of tank guns with anti-aircraft ballistics.

Back in January, 1943 of the year, the design bureau of plant No. 9, led by F. F. Petrov, began the development of such a weapon. By May 27, the X-NUMX-2 working drawings of the D-1943T-5 cannon, designed according to the type of German tank self-propelled barrels and differing in light weight and short recoil length, were released. In June, the first D-85Ts were manufactured in metal. This gun was successfully assembled in heavy tanks KV-5 and EC-85, and in the variant D-85C - in the SU-5 artillery missile.

However, to install it in an average T-34 tank, it was necessary to increase the diameter of the tower chase and design a new tower. The Red Sormov Design Bureau, led by V. V. Krylov, and the tower group of plant No. 183, led by A. A. Moloshtanov and M. A. Nabutovsky, worked on this problem. As a result, there were two very similar cast turrets with a diameter of shoulder strap around the world 1600 mm. Both of them resembled (but did not copy!) The tower of an experienced T-43 tank, taken as the basis for the design.

The D-5T cannon in the new turret - this seemed to solve all the problems, but ... The excellent weight and size characteristics of the gun were provided by the great complexity of the design. In addition, the feature of the D-5T was the location of the recoil brake and knurled over the barrel, like the German assault cannon Stuk 40, but unlike the latter, behind the main tower armor. For a better balance, its trunnions were pushed forward, and the breech, on the contrary, turned out to be rather strongly pushed to the rear stern of the tower, which practically excluded the possibility of loading the gun while the tank was moving. Even when moving at low speed, trained tank crews, trying to carry out loading, hit the projectile head part several times in the breech of the gun. As a result, the T-5 tank was not accepted by the D-34T, and immediately after completing its tests - in October 1943 of the year was issued an order from the CACB (chief designer - VG Grabin) to develop a special 85-mm gun for T-34. Serial production of the new weapon was supposed to start at 92 plant number 1 in March 1944, and until then, as a temporary measure, Red Sormov was allowed to be installed in the tower of its design D-5T. In this case, the plant was asked to ensure the release of the tank in the following quantities: in January 1944 of the year - 25 units, in February - 75, in March - 150. From April, the company was supposed to completely switch to the production of T-34-85 instead of T-34.


The tanks armed with the D-5T cannon differed markedly from the machines of later release in appearance and internal design. The tower was a double, and the crew consisted of four people. On the roof there was a strongly shifted forward commander's turret with a double-wing cap rotating on a ball bearing. A periscopic viewing device MK-4 was installed in the lid, which allowed a circular view. The accuracy of fire from a cannon and a coaxial machine gun was provided by a telescopic articulated sight TSH-15 and a panorama of the PTK-5. On both sides of the tower there were viewing slots with triplex glass blocks and loopholes for firing from personal weapons. The radio station was located in the body, and the input of its antenna - on the starboard side, just like the T-34. The power plant, transmission and chassis changes have practically not changed.

These machines differed somewhat depending on the time of release. For example, the first production tanks had one tower fan, and the following two had them. Tanks of the latest releases had observation devices MK-4 and a commander's turret of a later model. The radio station was in the turret, but the antenna input on the right side plate or its jammed hole was still in the hulls.

From January to April 1944, the factory workshops left the 255 T-34 tanks with the D-5T gun, including five command vehicles with RSB-F radio stations.

Fulfilling the order of the NKV to create 85-mm guns for the T-34 in October-November 1943, the TsAKB and Plant No. 92 produced three prototypes. CACB presented C-53 guns (leading designers - T. I. Sergeev and G. I. Shabarov) and C-50 (leading designers - V. D. Meshchaninov, A. M. Volgevsky and V. A. Tyurin), and Artillery Plant No. 92 - gun LB-1 (LB-85) designed by A. I. Savina.

Approved C-53


During the tests, which lasted until the end of 1943, preference was given to the C-53 gun, which 1 January 1944-th adopted the T-34 tank, and with both standard (1420 mm) and advanced shoulder strap. It compares favorably with analogs simplicity of design and reliability. The recoil brake and nakatnik were located under the base of the bolt, which made it possible to reduce the height of the line of fire and increase the distance between the breech and the back wall of the tower. In addition, the cost of the gun was lower than that of the 76-mm F-34 and even more so than the D-5T.

The T-34-85 tank with the C-53 gun was adopted by the Red Army by the T-bills No. 5020ss of January 23 of 1944.

Starting from February, the plant № 53 “Red Sormovo” began the gradual transition to the production of machines with the C-112 tool. Moreover, the first tanks had the appearance of many features from the T-34 with the D-5T: early Sormovskaya tower, U-shaped eyes, the location of the fuel tanks, etc. From 15 March 1944 of the year, plant No. 34 began production of T-85-183 , and since June - No. 174 in Omsk.


Meanwhile, continued, despite the start of mass production, ground tests C-53 revealed significant defects in recoil guns. Plant number 92 in Gorky was commissioned on its own to carry out its refinement. In November-December, the 1944-th began the production of this gun under the index ZIS-S-53 (ZIS - the index of the artillery plant number 92 named after Stalin, C - index TSAKB). In total, 1944 1945 C-11 518 and 53 14 265 53 cannons were manufactured in 34-85. The latter were installed on both the T-44-XNUMX and the new T-XNUMX tanks.

In C-53 and ZIS-C-53 cannons, the T-34 had a three-seat turret, the commander's turret moved closer to its stern. The radio station was moved from the housing to the tower. The machines were equipped with viewing instruments of a new type only - MK-4, both in the early - open and late - closed versions. During 1944, five spare tracks were mounted on the upper front hull sheet, the box-shaped front mud shields folded on the hinges, and the MDS smoke bombs were installed on the hull rear slate. As production proceeded, the shape of the bow section of the hull, connecting the upper and lower head plates, changed and decreased. On late-release machines, it was generally removed — the upper and lower sheets were butt-welded.

Refinements and improvements


In December, 1944 Plant No. 112 introduced to the GBTU a number of improvements to the tank turret design. In particular, it was proposed to replace the two-wing commander's hatch with a single wing, to equip the tower's niche with frameless X-NUMX shots, introduce duplicate control of the turret rotation, and finally, improve the ventilation of the crew compartment by installing spaced fans. Of the improvements listed in January 16, only the first was adopted.


As for the improvement of ventilation, the Sormovichi intended to transfer one of the two fans installed in the rear part of the roof of the tower to its front. In this case, the front was exhaust, and the rear - discharge. Apparently, the GBTU for unknown reasons decided to postpone the implementation of this very sensible proposal. In any case, the photographs of the 1945 Spring Combat of the Year T-34-85 with separated fans are not found. You can not see these tanks and the Victory Parade. However, the units of the Kantemirovskaya tank division, which were passing through the Red Square on November 7 1945, were equipped with just such machines. All this suggests that tanks with separated fans began to be produced after World War II, or, apparently, at the very end of it and only at plant number 112. These machines are distinguished by another characteristic detail - the absence of a viewing slot in the right side of the hull. But unfortunately, the frameless ammunition was never implemented.

The experienced specialist was able to determine at which factory the T-34-85 was manufactured, on a number of grounds related to the tank manufacturing technology. The towers, for example, differed in the number and location of the casting and welds, in the form of the commander's cupola. In the undercarriage used as stamped track rollers, and cast with developed finning. There were various mounting options for fuel tanks and smoke bombs. Even the protective straps of the shoulder strap tower were different. Several variants of tracked tracks were also used.

In addition to linear, from June 1944, OT-34-85 flamethrower tanks were also produced. Like its predecessor - OT-34 on this machine, instead of a machine gun, was placed automatic piston flamethrower ATO-42 of plant number 222. Its installation in the tank was developed at the plant number 174, which, along with the "Red Sormov" was a manufacturer of flamethrowing machines.


Mastering in combat


The Red Army T-34-85 tank units began to arrive in February-March 1944. So, approximately then these machines of the brigade 2, 6, 10 and 11 of the Guards tank corps were received. Unfortunately, the effect of the first combat use of the new Thirty-Four turned out to be low, since only a few pieces arrived at their formations. In addition, very little time was allotted in the combat units for the retraining of crews.

Here is what M. E. Katukov wrote in his memoirs on this occasion, on the April days of 1944, commanding the 1 tank army, which fought hard in Ukraine: “We survived those difficult days and joyful moments. One of these - the arrival of tank replenishment. The army received, however, in a small amount the new thirty-fours, armed not with the usual 76-mm, but with the 85-mm cannon. Crews who received new thirty-fours had to give only two hours to master them. We could not give more then. The situation on the super-wide front was such that the new tanks, which had more powerful weapons, had to be put into action as soon as possible. ”

Among the first went to the T-34-85 with a gun D-5T 38-th separate tank regiment. Together with the 516-th separate flame-throwing tank regiment, he was part of the Dimitri Donskoy column, built with funds from the Russian Orthodox Church. 19 T-34-85 and 21 flamethrower FROM-34 were purchased with money collected by believers. At the solemn meeting of March 8, 1944, the transfer of the Red Army vehicles took place. March 10 The 38 Tank Regiment went to the front, where as part of the 53 Army he took part in the Uman-Botosha operation.

In appreciable quantities, the T-34-85 was used during the offensive in Belarus, which began at the end of June, 1944. They already made up more than half of the thirty-four 811 who took part in Operation Bagration.

It was the summer of 1944 of the year that the troops were undergoing an active process of mastering new technology. For example, in all parts of the 3 of the Ukrainian Front, on the eve of the Yassy-Kishinev operation, live-fire exercises were conducted. At the same time, in order to demonstrate the fighting qualities of the T-34-85 cannon, it fired at German heavy tanks. Judging by the memoirs of V. P. Bryukhov, Soviet tank crews learned quickly: “In the Yassy-Kishinev operation in fifteen days on my T-34-85, I personally knocked out nine tanks. One fight was well remembered. Kushi went through and went out to Leovo, to connect with the 3-th Ukrainian Front. We walked along a corn height with a tank — nothing was visible, but there were roads or glades in it, like in a forest. I noticed that at the end of the clearing a German tank slipped towards us, then it turned out that it was the “Panther”. I command: “Stop. Sight - right 30, tank 400 ". Judging by the direction of its movement, we should have met on the next glade. The gunner threw the gun to the right, and we moved forward to the next glade. And the German also spotted me and, seeing the direction of movement of the tank, began to hide me in corn. I look into the panorama at the place where it should appear. And for sure - it appears under the 3 / 4 perspective! At this point you need to make a shot. If you give the Germans a shot and he misses with the first projectile, jump out, the second is guaranteed to be in you. Germans - they are. I shout to the gunner: “Tank!”, But he does not see. I look, he already got out half. You can not wait. The seconds go by. Then I grabbed the gunner by the collar - he is sitting in front of me - and threw it on the combat pack. He himself sat down at the sight, failed and struck him in the side. The tank broke out, no one jumped out of it. And, of course, when the tank broke out, at that moment my authority as a commander rose to an inaccessible height, because if it were not for me, this tank would have crashed down on us and the entire crew died. Gunner Nikolai Blinov felt humiliated, he was so ashamed. ”

In the mass order, the T-34-85 were used in combat operations in the winter and spring of 1945: in the Vistula-Oder, Pomeranian, and Berlin operations, in the battle at Lake Balaton in Hungary. So, on the eve of the attack on Berlin, the manning of tank brigades with combat vehicles of this type was almost one hundred percent.

And by the beginning of the Vistula-Oder operation 3, the Guards Tank Army under the command of General P. S. Rybalko, for example, had 55 674 man of personnel, which accounted for 99,2% of the regular strength. fleet consisted of 640 T-34-85 (staffing 103%), 22 tank-minesweeper T-34, 21 IC-2 (100%), 63 heavy ACS ISU-122 (100%), 63 secondary ACS SU-85 ( 63%), 63 light ACS SU-76 (100%), 49 light ACS SU-57-I (82%).

At the final stage of the Second World War, the Thirty-Four took part in the most impressive marches: to Prague in May and through the Great Khingan ridge and the Gobi desert in August 1945 of the year. In this case, the first was characterized by a high rate of movement. So, 3-I Guards Tank Army passed 450 km from Berlin to Prague for 68 marching hours. The failure of machines for technical reasons was not high - only two T-53-34 of the 85 in service were broken in the 18 of the Guards Tank Brigade.

Until the middle of 1945, the Soviet tank units deployed in the Far East were armed with mostly obsolete light BT and T-26. By the beginning of the war with Japan, 670 T-34-85 entered the troops, which allowed them to equip the first battalions in all separate tank brigades and the first regiments in tank divisions. 6-I Guards Tank Army, transferred to Mongolia from Europe, left its combat vehicles in the former deployment area (Czechoslovakia) and already received 408 T-34-85 units from factories No. 183 and No. 174 in place. Thus, the machines of this type took the most direct part in the defeat of the Kwantung Army, being the strike force of tank units and formations.

In conclusion, we can say that the modernization of the T-1943 carried out in 1944-34 years has significantly improved its combat capabilities. In the design of the tank as a whole, a certain balance of compromises was observed, which favorably distinguished it from other armored vehicles of the Second World War. Simplicity, ease of operation and maintenance, high maintainability, coupled with good body armor, maneuverability and powerful weapons have caused the popularity of the T-34-85 among tankers. These machines were the first to rush into Berlin and Prague, making the last shots at the enemy in the Great Patriotic War. It was they who, in most cases, froze on pedestals, forever remaining in the memory of the people one of the symbols of our Victory.

Mikhail Baryatinsky
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  1. +2
    April 13 2026 05: 59
    It's a pleasure to read the work of a competent (and even renowned!) specialist.
    Honest and detailed enough for its length. And most importantly, engaging.
    I will express my point of view:
    In 1943, after the IS tank's demonstration, it was necessary to transition to producing these vehicles as primary vehicles, with the caveat that armament testing would be necessary. The USSR lost many tank crews by retaining the T-34 as its primary tank. And, conversely, the ISU-122 was unnecessary; a self-propelled gun based on the T-34 was needed instead, especially since it had been designed, manufactured, and successfully tested.
    But, as they say, History has no conditional mood.
    1. +4
      April 13 2026 11: 20
      That's true, but IS tanks can't be produced in the same volumes/quantities as T-34s...
      The Germans had this dilemma when they relied on hundreds of Panther-Tigers, but at the expense of this they did not make 500-1000 (probably something like that) T-IVs... A dilemma.
    2. +5
      April 13 2026 12: 57
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      In 1943, after the demonstration of the IS tank, it was necessary to move on to the production of these vehicles as the main ones, with the proviso of developing the weapons.

      "After the IS tank demonstration" – are you referring to Lisyanka, where an IS tank regiment lost five tanks on the march due to technical issues? And of the five IS tanks, all were lost in the first attack (two destroyed, three disabled)? wink
      And yes, where did the IS come from in 1943? The first IS tanks only reached the front in February 1944. And without combat results, no one would make a decision about switching to a new tank.
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      The USSR lost many tank crew lives as a result of retaining the T-34 as its main tank.

      He would lose even more if, instead of the T-34, which was mastered at three factories, the “foreign” IS was put into production, which, moreover, did not have the necessary armor protection until 1944.
      The simplest question is: what to do with the machinery and crane fleet designed for 35-ton tanks with 45-52 mm armor?
      In general, there will be a failure in the production of tanks - just in time 10 Stalinist blows.
      Quote: Victor Leningradets
      And mirror image - the ISU-122 was not needed; instead, a self-propelled gun based on the T-34 was needed, especially since it was designed, manufactured, and successfully tested.

      Yeah... and then they arrived reviews from the field About the "little sister" - SU-100: cramped fighting compartment and overloaded front rollers.
      A common problem for the SU-100 and Panzer IV/70 was overloading the front of the chassis. Despite the SU-100's reinforced road wheels and improvements to the suspension design of the first pair of road wheels, excessive wear was observed. On the first pair of road wheels, not only did the tires fail, but cracks were also found in the disks and their welds. For this reason, in the winter of 1944-45, units had to replace the road wheels with reinforced ones.
      © Y. Pasholok
      And now we're going to shove a heavier and bulkier 122mm gun into that same cockpit and onto that same chassis. And one with greater recoil, too. smile
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        April 13 2026 19: 53
        And yes, where did the IS come from in 1943? The first IS tanks only reached the front in February 1944. And without combat results, no one would make a decision about switching to a new tank.

        Missed. The IS was shown to I.V. Stalin on August 8, 1943. "We'll end the war with these machines," he said.
        He would lose even more if, instead of the T-34, which was mastered at three factories, the “foreign” IS was put into production, which, moreover, did not have the necessary armor protection until 1944.
        The simplest question is: what to do with the machinery and crane fleet designed for 35-ton tanks with 45-52 mm armor?

        Well, obviously the T-34-85's armor is unrivaled. laughing
        There were problems with heat treatment, but it held up well to light PaK-40 projectiles.
        Machine tools "rated for 35 tons" don't exist, but the machine tools at Uralmash, Sormovo, and Uralvagonzavod were in no way inferior to those at ChKZ and ChTZ, especially in terms of 100-ton cranes. And most importantly, the IS, with its large castings, is far more technologically advanced than the T-34-85.
        And now we're going to shove a heavier and bulkier 122mm gun into that same cockpit and onto that same chassis. And one with greater recoil, too.

        The 122mm D-25 gun has less recoil and a smaller breech than the D-10 thanks to an effective muzzle brake. Loading is simpler thanks to the separate shot system, and ammunition is plentiful. Most importantly, the self-propelled gun passed the entire testing cycle and received a positive evaluation.
        The situation with the main battle tank's gun is much worse. The 85mm BM (with a muzzle velocity of 920 m/s) can only be a temporary measure, the D-10 is too large, and the real D-25 significantly reduces the rate of fire and ammunition capacity.
        1. Alf
          +2
          April 13 2026 21: 38
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          The IS was shown to I.V. Stalin on August 8, 1943.

          True, it was an IS-1...
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          The IS, with its large castings, is much more technologically advanced than the T-34-85.

          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          The machine park of Uralmash, Sormovo and Uralvagonzavod was in no way inferior to the park of ChKZ and ChTZ

          And that’s probably why only 2210 IS tanks were produced by the end of 44, while only 6600 T-34s were produced by the 183rd plant.
          Did you know the T-34 has a rolled hull, not a cast one? It's certainly possible to make it cast, but what would happen if the armor protection were reduced? A cast hull is worse than a rolled one. Should we increase the armor?
          1. -1
            April 14 2026 06: 45
            And that’s probably why only 2210 IS tanks were produced by the end of 44, while only 6600 T-34s were produced by the 183rd plant.

            No need to fudge the numbers! IS and ISU produced over 4500 more at ChKZ and ChTZ in 1944.
            And again: if the listed factories were consistently converted to the production of IS tanks, then there would be no decline in the number of tanks operating at the front.
            Did you know the T-34 has a rolled hull, not a cast one? It's certainly possible to make it cast, but what would happen if the armor protection were reduced? A cast hull is worse than a rolled one. Should we increase the armor?

            I had fun, thank you!
            Not everyone seemed to realize that 45mm armor wasn't exactly armor even in 1943. And they pierced it right through. But at least it was high-quality! And the technological advancements in cast hulls also provide flexibility in changing parameters, something a welded hull can't offer.
            I wasn't convinced by the enthusiastic supporters of the T-34-85. Incidentally, Zhukov was of the same opinion, believing that only heavy tanks were capable of operating in the coming war.
            1. Alf
              0
              April 14 2026 17: 51
              Quote: Victor Leningradets
              No need to fudge the numbers! IS and ISU produced over 4500 more at ChKZ and ChTZ in 1944.
              And again: if the listed factories were consistently converted to the production of IS tanks, then there would be no decline in the number of tanks operating at the front.

              And who will make the self-propelled guns?
              1. 0
                April 14 2026 20: 16
                And Omsk will make the self-propelled guns - they will be able to handle it quite well given the number of chassis.
                1. Alf
                  +1
                  April 14 2026 20: 37
                  Quote: Victor Leningradets
                  And Omsk will make the self-propelled guns - they will be able to handle it quite well given the number of chassis.

                  How simple it all turns out... Does the famous phrase by Carl von Clausewitz sound familiar?
                  1. -1
                    April 14 2026 20: 43
                    Listen, stop making fun of me for not hearing about something or seeing something. I've lived a long life and had to solve major, challenging problems. To succeed in such a matter, you always need to be able to cast aside stereotypes and correctly calculate the maneuverability of your available forces.
                    So, you have a factory in Omsk. It's a slave, it doesn't design anything itself. Give it some specialists from Uralmash, and it'll start churning out a series of self-propelled guns. It's all fine in the rough, but the details are pointless; those trains are long gone.
                    1. Alf
                      0
                      April 14 2026 20: 56
                      I'm not kidding, I'm just interested in talking to people with wild imaginations. If it weren't for the aforementioned Carbine, you and I would make a wonderful pair of thinkers.
                      P.S. The phrase goes like this: "Military affairs are easy and accessible to everyone. But fighting is difficult."
                      1. 0
                        April 15 2026 06: 38
                        I actually did my share of "warfare" in industry. From mechanic to director. The problem is that you know something, you can do something, but you're afraid of the "flags." That's the Cargo Level, when you act without understanding the task, just as you're used to. Suitable for routine tasks, but not for solving a problem that arises.
                        Clausewitz left out the most important point: it's people who fight, not tin soldiers, and if this isn't understood, any brilliant solutions can fail to be implemented. This was repeated many times during that war.
                        The T-34-85 was a good solution for the base model, but strategically, it resulted in unnecessary losses and, at times, unfortunate setbacks at the end of the war. The IS was originally conceived as a primary (or, at best, a beloved medium) tank. Life turned it into a heavy breakthrough tank/menagerie fighter. It should have been a primary tank.
                      2. Alf
                        0
                        April 15 2026 19: 42
                        The main thing is more words...
                      3. 0
                        April 16 2026 06: 41
                        Polonius: What are you reading, my Prince?
                        Hamlet: "Words, words, words..."
                        V. Shakespeare

                        I wonder, if you have nothing to say in response, then would you deign to baselessly declare your opponent’s remark to be nonsense?
                        I don't believe you don't understand the meaning! Your level is evident in the questions you ask, so don't hide your resentment behind a cliche.
        2. +2
          April 14 2026 11: 07
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          Missed. The IS was shown to I.V. Stalin on August 8, 1943. "We'll end the war with these machines," he said.

          Stalin was shown a lot of things. And then it turned out that for what they showed, the entire design bureau had to be sent to construction sites across the national economy.
          Until there are results of operational use in the troops, no one will make a decision. The GABTU already got burned with the KV when an indestructible fortress on tracks In fact, it turned out to be a lame, obese invalid with problems with the suspension, transmission, gun, and engine.
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          Well, obviously the T-34-85's armor is unrivaled.

          In wartime, when the front requires tanks for an offensive, yes. They exist, they know how to weld them, and the factories are equipped to handle them.
          It was not because life was good that they abandoned the T-43.
          Let me remind you that the deadlines for putting the IS-1 into production were missed even at the specialized plant - it had to be temporarily replaced in production by the KV-85.
      2. 0
        April 14 2026 12: 17
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The simplest question is: what to do with the machinery and crane fleet designed for 35-ton tanks with 45-52 mm armor?

        The Germans, the Allies, and even we, with the KV-1 and T-28, resorted to slapping on additional armor plates. But that wasn't the problem, starting with the logistics of the war. We simply couldn't physically use many heavy tanks, and frankly, the culture of their use was poorly developed, and even the number of IS tanks we had were periodically caught in the crossfire. Furthermore, the mobile nature of the war literally meant that placing too much emphasis on IS tanks was simply impossible. Insufficient maneuverability.
        1. 0
          April 14 2026 13: 14
          The IS tank's maneuverability on rough terrain is superior to that of the T-34. The relevant tests were conducted, and that's where the abyss opened up. Zeitz died, but he won.
          1. 0
            April 14 2026 13: 51
            How so? The T34's average speed was higher, though the T34-85 is a different story. However, this comparison is quite interesting.
            The IS2 and T34-85 turret fronts were already very closely armored at the end of the war.
            The hull had different armor, but the Germans could also penetrate the IS.
            And the question arose: was the T34-85 really that much inferior to the IS?
            1. 0
              April 14 2026 15: 21
              The turret's front isn't the only indicator. The entire frontal projection at a 30-degree firing angle is calculated holistically. The T-34's average speed on the march is higher (from memory, 42 km/h versus 30 km/h), while its combat speed on the ground is, conversely, 24 km/h versus 27 km/h. Thanks to its planetary traverse mechanisms and a gearbox better matched to the engine and weight, the IS traversed the rough terrain test range much faster than the T-34.
              1. 0
                April 14 2026 15: 25
                The only difference was that the 85mm gun with a good turret weighed 8 tons less, and the service life of this ash-cannon allowed it to make 500 km marches, which the IS could not.
                And in general, the T34 greatly complemented the IS and vice versa
    3. +5
      April 13 2026 14: 23
      Why so trivial? Give us the T-90M instead of the Yak-9, they should have built the Su-35S right away. I wish I could read something, huh? Like our own Yemelyanov, Vasilyevich Semyonich, when the whole vast country couldn't find a spare carbide finger-type cutter. Not a single workshop, not a production section, not a machining center, not even a milling machine. A single cutter the size of a finger. Because of this, they had to change the tank's design and introduce an intermediate casting; thank God, they could cast it in a gravity mold.
      And one more thing, regarding what history knows and what it doesn't. People, please tell me, who actually came up with this incredibly idiotic phrase? How can one study history without considering possible future developments?
    4. +1
      April 13 2026 16: 46
      Which IS-type tanks are you referring to? IS-1? IS-2? IS-3? IS-85? IS-3?
      1. 0
        April 13 2026 19: 58
        They're all good, but they're all unsuitable in terms of armament. Most likely, the IS-2, with a straightened upper glacis plate, but with a gun firing a single-shot 100-107mm round, compact enough for tank use (no more than 1000mm long).
        1. Alf
          +2
          April 13 2026 21: 54
          Is it true that the 100mm gun didn't fit in the IS-2 turret? Would they have had to build a new turret, and would the T-34-76 have been able to fight Tigers, Panthers, and T-4-75s? By the way, could you remind me how many 107mm shells were produced in 42, 43, and 44? Incidentally, which factory produced the M-60 during those years?
          1. -1
            April 14 2026 05: 53
            It all depends on the choice:
            - we want to end the war on the Vistula without killing a couple of extra million young healthy men;
            - I don't care, there's a war with the Allies ahead, so we're going straight to Berlin, and the women will give birth to new ones.
            I know about the subjunctive mood in History, but I also know about the insufficiency of forces for a war against the Allies.
            Incidentally, they were quite intimidated by the impressive IS-3. The Allies decided it was our new main battle tank, a response to the M-26.
            1. +1
              April 14 2026 12: 15
              The concept of MBT didn't exist back then!
              And the question naturally arises: If there is a Main Battle Tank, then where is the Main Non-Battle Tank?
              Maybe the OT is still the main tank...
              1. -1
                April 14 2026 13: 22
                This is terminology.
                But everything, not always straightforward, eventually led to the main tank: the Panther, M-26, and Centurion. We were one step away from such a vehicle when we were developing the IS-3. But A.A. Morozov pressed his authority on the so-called medium tanks, mainly citing the short battlefield life of any tank. At the same time, he rather baselessly claimed that many more medium tanks could be produced in wartime conditions.
                In fact, Zh.Ya. Kotin was right when he prioritized the effectiveness of combat units over mass production, which is simply impossible in conditions of total war.
                But going past the mass grave directly to our goal is not our path.
                1. +1
                  April 14 2026 17: 28
                  A heavy tank of that time is a heavy tank.
                  It couldn't be massive.
                  It was more expensive than a medium tank.
                  And most importantly, not all roads and bridges in the destroyed country could withstand it.
                  1. 0
                    April 14 2026 17: 53
                    Do you think that 5000 tanks and self-propelled guns produced at essentially one factory is not a mass-produced tank!?
                    With the involvement of Uralmash, Uralvagonzavod, and Sormovo, the figure could have been achieved. And don't forget that in 1944 we recaptured Kharkov, and in 1945 the Kirov Plant in Leningrad began operating.
                    1. 0
                      April 14 2026 17: 54
                      By the way, there are also moans about the Panther - a completely mass-produced tank in the dimensions of a heavy one.
                    2. +1
                      April 14 2026 18: 22
                      Besides the factories that assembled tanks and self-propelled guns, remember the factories that supplied armored rolled metal and castings!
                      Could they provide the required amount of armor for the assembly of tanks and self-propelled guns?
                      KhPZ - ruins.
                      STZ - ruins.
                      Leningradsky Kirovsky - the lack of a workforce and a barely functioning infrastructure in the city.
                      1. 0
                        April 14 2026 20: 14
                        Leningradsky Kirovsky - the lack of a workforce and a barely functioning infrastructure in the city.

                        This "barely alive infrastructure" successfully assembled the ISU-152 in 1945.
                    3. 0
                      April 14 2026 18: 30
                      Did the Americans and British defeat the Italians and Teutons in North Africa thanks to armadas of heavy M-26, Matilda and Churchill tanks?
                      Or did they overwhelm them with masses of lighter tanks such as the Stuart, Lee/Grant, Sherman, Valentine, Crusader?
                      1. 0
                        April 14 2026 20: 15
                        They were bombarded with masses of lighter tanks such as the Stuart, Lee/Grant, Sherman, Valentine, and Crusader?

                        Oh, to fill it with corpses is our EVERYTHING!
                      2. 0
                        April 14 2026 20: 35
                        Probably yours.
                        The Allies in North Africa always outnumbered the Germans and Italians in armored vehicles.
                        And until the very end of the fighting, the Germans burned the Allied armored vehicles without any problems.
                        One German raid into the Kasserine Pass cost the Americans dozens of destroyed tanks and scattered anti-tank gun crews.
                      3. 0
                        April 14 2026 20: 48
                        One German raid into the Kasserine Pass cost the Americans dozens of destroyed tanks and scattered anti-tank gun crews.

                        So what are you advertising, "Stuart", "Lee/Grant", "Sherman", "Valentine", "Crusader"?
                        Fighting with numbers rather than skill always means suffering unnecessary losses. After all, Churchill, for all his bastardry, was right: we ended the war in 1945 rather weakened, but the Americans simply didn't want to take the risk.
                2. Alf
                  +1
                  April 14 2026 17: 56
                  Quote: Victor Leningradets
                  came to the main tank: Panther

                  Calling the Panther a main battle tank is a bit presumptuous. Then the T-44 would also be a main battle tank.
                  Quote: Victor Leningradets
                  In fact, Zh.Ya.Kotin was right when he put the effectiveness of combat units first, rather than mass production,

                  The Tiger was a very effective tank, but while yet another Wittmann was burning 100500 T-34s, the remaining T-34s were tearing up the front elsewhere, and Wittmann had to "straighten the front line" and "optimize supply and command channels."
                  1. 0
                    April 14 2026 20: 26
                    The mistake of German tank building (mainly the military customer) was the incorrect emphasis on some ersatz tank of 20 tons, produced in thousands of copies, and on top of it a heavy tank of 45 tons, produced in hundreds per year.
                    Hence the unfinished Tiger-shaped prototypes, the improvised Panther, and, as the apotheosis, the King Tiger. What the Nazis really needed was the Panther II, but with the more versatile 105/L45 cannon and its unitary cartridge.
                    Our main mistake in the final stage was the strategic impasse of a medium tank. What was really needed were main battle tanks of the same dimensions as heavy tanks and light armored vehicles in the BRDM and BMP class.
                  2. 0
                    April 14 2026 20: 37
                    In the coming war, mass production of tanks was not envisaged due to the inevitable destruction of industry. Therefore, Zhukov proposed creating a reserve of equipment for a strategic operation to seize Europe. After that, tanks would not be particularly needed. Losses were planned to be reduced both by using superior combat capabilities of the equipment and by training the crews.
            2. Alf
              +1
              April 14 2026 17: 52
              Quote: Victor Leningradets
              It all depends on the choice:
              - we want to end the war on the Vistula without killing a couple of extra million young healthy men;
              - I don't care, there's a war with the Allies ahead, so we're going straight to Berlin, and the women will give birth to new ones.
              I know about the subjunctive mood in History, but I also know about the insufficiency of forces for a war against the Allies.

              So many words, no meaning.
    5. +1
      April 13 2026 17: 20
      Why IS right away?
      There was already a KV-85!
      Based on KV-1S.
      The IS with an 85mm gun was not yet on the production line...
      1. 0
        April 13 2026 20: 01
        The IS with an 85mm gun was not yet on the production line...

        By the start of production, the T-34-85 was already equipped with the ZiS-S-53. During cross-country trials, the IS outperformed the T-34 in mobility and maneuverability, not to mention a smoother ride and better protection. The KV-85, however, was a temporary measure, although its weight distribution was even better than that of the IS-85.
        1. +2
          April 13 2026 20: 39
          The production of T-34-85 began in 1944.
          And we're talking about 1943.
          And there is no need to compare a medium tank with a heavy one!
          The Germans twice wanted to bury the "four", but released it until the end of the war.
          Having stopped production of the T-34-76 in 1943, what do you plan to equip your tank units with?
          1. -1
            April 14 2026 06: 00
            Medium tanks like the T-34 and PzIV had already had their day by 1944. The fact that the Germans continued to push the PzIVJ only testifies to their hopeless situation. Imagine being placed in a museum-quality relic, being penetrated by anti-tank guns from all real-world ranges, and lacking escape hatches.
            I wrote about our exploits above.
            1. +1
              April 14 2026 12: 11
              What can replace the T-34-76 on factory lines?
              Which medium tank was 100% ready for production?
  2. +7
    April 13 2026 08: 30
    Additionally, the ZiS-S-53, among other things, turned out to be cheaper to produce than the F-34.
    Each of our artillery geniuses, Grabin and Petrov, had their own particular strengths. Vasily Gavrilovich was skilled in designing highly technologically advanced guns, while Fyodor Fyodorovich developed cradles that, with minor modifications, could accommodate guns of ever greater power. The famous D-25, in its infancy, was known as the D-2-5. That is, a 122mm D-2 gun in an 85mm D-5 cradle. Incidentally, the most widely produced tank gun in history, the D-10, also uses a D-5 cradle.
    With nearly identical muzzle velocities (785-910 m/s), the projectiles from the aforementioned guns weighed 8,5, 16,6, and 25 kg. It's mind-boggling!
    1. +2
      April 13 2026 13: 05
      Quote: Grossvater
      Additionally, the ZiS-S-53, among other things, turned out to be cheaper to produce than the F-34.
      Each of our artillery geniuses, Grabin and Petrov, had their own particular strengths. Vasily Gavrilovich was skilled in designing highly technologically advanced guns, and Fyodor Fyodorovich was skilled in developing cradles that, with minor modifications, could accommodate increasingly powerful guns.

      It seems that Vasily Gavrilovich had become a bit... "starry-eyed" by the middle of the war. The GABTU and NKTP were, at best, less than thrilled with his guns. In fact, the TsAKB, with its "take what they give" attitude, was pushing competitors' designs into production—as was the case, for example, with the D-10S. smile
      Activity on the S-34-armed self-propelled gun began after the signing of GKO Decree No. 4853ss "On the design, manufacture, and testing of experimental artillery guns for tanks and self-propelled artillery units" on December 27, 1943. According to it, two S-34 guns were to be manufactured by January 25, 1944, and a prototype self-propelled gun for installation in it by February 25. The TsAKB accomplished its task. In January 1944, such a system was designed. But with its own nuances. The fact is that The S-34 was designed with the gunner positioned on the right and the loader positioned at the rear-left. This led to a number of layout issues that directly impacted the vehicle's production timeline..

      Calculations showed that installing the S-34 in a turret similar to the modernized SU-85 would increase the combat weight from 30 to 32,5–33 tons. This meant a significant increase in the load on the front road wheels. The TsAKB considered switching the first two road wheels to torsion bar suspension as a solution, which clearly left UZTM in a tizzy. This proposal meant restructuring the production of self-propelled guns. However, the NKTP was more "happy" with this decision.

      ...the situation surrounding the S-34 developed quite differently. In March 1944, Plant No. 92, a partner of the TsAKB in the production of tank systems, produced the second and third prototypes of the gun. More and more questions began to arise about the system. During tests of the second prototype at Plant No. 100, after the 18th shot, the crank mechanism pin was found to be jammed. A similar defect, after the 22nd shot, was discovered on the third prototype. It was also discovered that The S-34 is heavier than the D-10s, as the system was originally designed for the 122mm caliber. The weight difference was 475 kg. At the same time, it became increasingly clear that moving the loader to the left and the gunner to the right offered no advantages..
      The NKTP leadership was gradually losing patience. On May 11, 1944, V.A. Malyshev, People's Commissar for Tank Production, expressed his thoughts on the S-34. He called the gun unsuitable for installation in either a tank or the SU-100. Vyacheslav Aleksandrovich was particularly outraged by the self-propelled version of the gun, which was a tank gun that had not been modified for installation in a self-propelled gun. Neither a frame nor a scope mount were provided for it..
      © Yu. Pashalok. On the way to "Sotka"
      1. +1
        April 13 2026 18: 03
        The first T-34-85s had D-5T!
        It is likely that the TsAKB had to strain its forces in order to bypass the Petrov Design Bureau with the S-53 cannon.
  3. +2
    April 13 2026 12: 50
    The episode about the gunner's change is strange. Pushing off a stunned gunner, taking his place, and aiming the gun takes at least three extra seconds. Even if the gunner hadn't been rushing, he would have aimed a second or two faster. This kind of commander behavior is only acceptable if the gunner is stupefied, but then it would have taken him about five seconds to push off.
  4. +4
    April 13 2026 12: 53
    Quote: Victor Leningradets
    In 1943, after the IS tank's demonstration, production of these vehicles as primary vehicles had to be transitioned, with the caveat that armament testing would be necessary. The USSR lost many tank crews by retaining the T-34 as its primary tank.


    Making a heavy tank with a powerful gun but a low rate of fire as the primary tank? Not a very good idea. The primary tank in that war should have been a medium tank, more versatile and with balanced characteristics, high maintainability, and ease of operation. Incidentally, the Yankees thought the same thing.
    Of course, it would be nice if the T-34-85 could replace the T-44, freed from its minor flaws. But alas...
    1. +1
      April 13 2026 20: 08
      In fact, both the Yankees and the Germans reasoned quite differently. Both the M-26 and the Panther are heavy tanks. And if the IS had become the main battle tank, its gun would have been limited to a single-shot round. The first iteration could have been the 85mm BM with an armor-piercing shell with a muzzle velocity of 920 m/s. The shell would be the same size as the D-5, and the fragmentation shell would have the same ballistics. But against field fortifications and urban combat, a 107mm high-explosive shell would be preferable...
      1. Alf
        +1
        April 13 2026 22: 03
        Quote: Victor Leningradets
        But against field fortifications and urban combat, it is advisable to have a 107-mm high-explosive shell...

        Or better yet, the 122mm, which is mass-produced and has almost twice the explosive capacity.
        1. 0
          April 14 2026 05: 42
          Nearly.
          A 28-round ammo load, listed everywhere, isn't the best solution. A better solution would be an L7-style gun, with a reliable HE shell and extra-piercing APFSDS round. But we still had to live to see that.
          By the way, the Centurion as a main battle tank is in the same ballpark.
          1. Alf
            +1
            April 14 2026 18: 07
            Quote: Victor Leningradets
            An ammunition supply of 28 shells, listed everywhere, is not the best solution.

            You're right, the BC in Tiger was more optimized...
            But I still had to live to see that happen.

            Once again, you're right. But for some reason, we have to fight now...
      2. +4
        April 14 2026 07: 01
        The Germans considered the Panther a medium tank; it was far more numerous than the Tiger (approximately 6). The Yankees' primary tank was the Sherman, comparable in weight to the T-34-85.

        85mm is still a bit weak for a heavy tank, especially against a Tiger. And against fortifications, 122mm is still better.
        The combination of the T-34-85 and IS-2 worked well. The IS-2 was still too expensive for a main battle tank, had worse cross-country ability, and had a shorter service life than the T-34-85.
        1. 0
          April 14 2026 09: 42
          As for cross-country ability - no need!
          The IS's dynamic qualities and wide, lugged tracks ensured minimal speed on liquid and loose obstacles. The T-34 is a fast tank, but it can't move slowly (due to its poor main clutch). This explains the common occurrence of T-34s landing on their bellies in mud. The Germans were simply even worse at it.
          1. 0
            April 14 2026 13: 04
            Off-road capability isn't just about mud, but also overcoming uneven ground, for example. How did the lugs perform in the winter? Was there any icing?
            1. 0
              April 14 2026 13: 25
              How did the lugs perform during the winter?

              And here, you'll laugh, the champion is actually Königstiger. And he has some fine spurs!
        2. 0
          April 14 2026 09: 56
          Regarding the 85mm with forced ballistics:
          A 9,2 kg armor-piercing shell confidently penetrated the Panther's frontal armor at 800 meters, comparable to the armor-piercing capability of a 25 kg shell from a 122 mm gun. Later, as armor quality declined, heavier shells began to break through the Panther's fragile frontal armor at 2,5 kilometers, rather than penetrate it. In 1943, a 122 mm shell could only penetrate standard armor at 700 meters.
          An additional advantage was that the dimensions of the single-shot round remained unchanged, while its ballistics were improved by lengthening the barrel to 62 rounds and increasing the armor-piercing charge. The high-explosive fragmentation round remained unchanged.
          Of course, with acceptable armor-piercing properties, the 85mm shell is frankly weak against field and improvised urban fortifications (this, by the way, is the Panther’s main drawback, and not its thin skin).
          1. +2
            April 14 2026 13: 11
            Quote: Victor Leningradets
            Later, as armor quality declined, heavy shells began to break through the Panther's fragile frontal armor from 2,5 km, rather than penetrate it. In 1943, a 122mm shell could only penetrate standard armor from 700 m.


            Did you know that sometimes it didn't even take a penetration to disable a tank and its crew? Due to the enormous kinetic energy of a 122mm shell, sometimes even the welds simply couldn't withstand it... and after being hit by such a "suitcase," the crew suffered severe concussion and simply couldn't continue the fight... after which the tank was finished off.

            The IS-2 was originally designed as a "breakthrough tank," supporting infantry in overcoming enemy fortified lines. The fact that it proved quite capable of engaging enemy tanks was a pleasant bonus.
            Incidentally, the Tiger was originally designed as a means of defense against Soviet tank armadas; it was ill-suited for offensive operations. Guderian understood this immediately and expressed it in his characterization and evaluation of the tank.
            1. -1
              April 14 2026 13: 33
              I'll disappoint you (I'm from the Kirov plant, dating back to the good old Brezhnev days). The IS was born specifically as a counter to the Tiger, by lengthening the basic chassis by one axle to accommodate an 85mm gun. It's just that the experience of the Battle of Kursk showed that the 85mm was far from ideal under the prevailing circumstances. And the next mass-produced ammunition was 122mm gun shells. So Zh. Ya. Kotin (the one who swore to Stalin that he would build such a vehicle) and F. F. Petrov solved this problem, and how! The original plan was for an artillery tank with a 122mm howitzer, either the S-41 or the U-11.
              1. Alf
                0
                April 14 2026 18: 15
                Quote: Victor Leningradets
                by lengthening the base chassis by one axle to install the 85mm cannon.

                In this case, whose base chassis is it?
                1. 0
                  April 14 2026 20: 31
                  Yes, that very same original IS-1 with a 76-mm gun, which Zeitz laid down. It was paired with the IS-2, an artillery tank with a 122-mm howitzer on the same chassis.
                  There are exactly five road wheels per side, narrow tracks and a speed of 65 km/h with the same engine and transmission (this is in relation to the question of maneuverability and speed).
              2. +1
                April 15 2026 08: 33
                The 122mm caliber, as we know, had separate loading. It's not very suitable for fighting enemy armored vehicles, but it's quite suitable for firing at pillboxes; it's quite capable of piercing concrete with such a caliber.
                Is there really no middle ground between 85mm and 122mm? Like, say, a 100mm caliber? Even if the gun had a long enough barrel, would it be insufficient against Tiger tanks? Wasn't there a SU-100, by any chance, that was quite effective against tanks? And what caliber did the post-war T-54 have, if you remember? Sure, the IS-100mm gun would have had a shorter barrel than the SU-100, but would the difference have been so significant that it would have been useless against a Tiger? I doubt it. The higher rate of fire and the larger ammo count would have offset this drawback.
                1. 0
                  April 15 2026 10: 33
                  Actually, the barrel length is a secondary issue. The biggest problem was the dimensions of the single-shot round. There was simply no room to maneuver in the existing turret.
                  It's inexplicable that they didn't try to solve this problem on the IS-3. A new turret design was already being considered there.
                  In principle, the problem could be solved by automating the loading and reloading of the cartridge case, while maintaining manual selection and loading of the projectile. However, at that level of technology, this proved to be a complex task, and the failure of such a system in combat would render the tank incapable of combat.
            2. Alf
              0
              April 14 2026 18: 13
              Quote: Illanatol
              and the crew, after being hit by such a "suitcase", received severe concussion and simply could not continue the fight...
  5. +1
    April 13 2026 13: 28
    Regarding improved ventilation, the Sormovo team intended to move one of the two ventilators installed in the rear of the turret roof to the front. The front ventilator was an exhaust ventilator, while the rear ventilator was a blower ventilator. Apparently, for some unknown reason, GBTU decided to postpone implementing this very sensible proposal.

    Ventilation on domestic wartime armored vehicles was the talk of the town. The problems were both manufacturing (no electric motors) and design-related.
    The T-34 has perpetual ventilation issues. There are either no fans, or they're inconveniently placed.
    SU-76 - ventilation problems were solved by removing the roof.
    The SU-152—a situation beyond the realm of fantasy: the heavy self-propelled gun with a 152mm gun was originally designed without fans. None at all. Fans were only installed on the latest modification, at the personal request of Comrade Stalin. He, upon boarding the self-propelled gun brought to the Kremlin for display, was slightly perplexed by the lack of fans and ordered "make them fast!"
    8 September 1943 of
    Today vol. Stalin, Molotov, Voroshilov, Beria, Shcherbakov examined in the Kremlin new tanks and artillery self-propelled guns IS, KV-85, SU-152, SU-85, S-76.
    Comrade Stalin himself climbed onto the IS, SU-152 and SU-85 tank (Comrade Stalin climbed the tanks for the first time). He carefully asked about the advantages of the new tanks, especially the IS and SU-85.
    He reproached that a self-propelled gun SU-152 did not have a fan in the fighting compartment. I promised that in 7 days we will deliver.

    © Diary of the People's Commissar of the Tank Industry Malyshev.
  6. 0
    April 13 2026 13: 28
    Regarding improved ventilation, the Sormovo team intended to move one of the two ventilators installed in the rear of the turret roof to the front. The front ventilator was an exhaust ventilator, while the rear ventilator was a blower ventilator. Apparently, for some unknown reason, GBTU decided to postpone implementing this very sensible proposal.

    Ventilation on domestic wartime armored vehicles was the talk of the town. The problems were both manufacturing (no electric motors) and design-related.
    The T-34 has perpetual ventilation issues. There are either no fans, or they're inconveniently placed.
    SU-76 - ventilation problems were solved by removing the roof.
    SU-152 - a situation beyond fantasy: Comrade Stalin personally solved the ventilation problem on a heavy self-propelled gun with a 152 mm gun.
    8 September 1943 of
    Today vol. Stalin, Molotov, Voroshilov, Beria, Shcherbakov examined in the Kremlin new tanks and artillery self-propelled guns IS, KV-85, SU-152, SU-85, S-76.
    Comrade Stalin himself climbed onto the IS, SU-152 and SU-85 tank (Comrade Stalin climbed the tanks for the first time). He carefully asked about the advantages of the new tanks, especially the IS and SU-85.
    He reproached that a self-propelled gun SU-152 did not have a fan in the fighting compartment. I promised that in 7 days we will deliver.

    © Diary of the People's Commissar of the Tank Industry Malyshev.
  7. +1
    April 13 2026 14: 30
    Quote: Alexey RA
    as it was, for example, with the D-10S.

    I agree about Vasilyevich Gavrilych, it happened, it did.
    But I think it's primarily a matter of economics. The gun mounting arrangements in a tank and a self-propelled gun were different, and the D-10 was based on the D-5, which was already in production. And just now I realized that the placement of the anti-fabric turrets above the barrel provided space for a traverse unit, which was missing in the tank and absolutely essential in the self-propelled gun. However, you need to look at the layout diagrams for this, and I don't have anything on these guns.
    1. +2
      April 13 2026 16: 47
      Quote: Grossvater
      But, I think, the main factor was economics. The gun's mounting conditions in a tank and a self-propelled gun were different, and the D-10 was based on the D-5, which was already in production.

      That's exactly what I'm talking about. Where Petrov adapted the gun to the customer's specifications to minimize changes to the cabin or turret design, thereby reducing the time and cost of the work, Grabin demanded that the tank/SPG be adapted to his own specifications. The large breech was generally a bad tradition at the TsAKB.
      Plus, Grabin's design bureau regularly submitted weapons for testing that left the customer feeling like they were being treated like "take it and leave it." I've already quoted the following about the S-34:
      Vyacheslav Alexandrovich was particularly outraged by the self-propelled version of the gun, which was a tank gun that had not been modified for installation in a self-propelled gun. It had neither a frame nor a sighting device.

      Before the war, there was the F-30 - a crack in the breech and an unbalanced mount, as a result of which, before sending it to the troops, they had to install turrets from the KV on the T-150.
      Quote: Grossvater
      and the D-10 was based on the D-5, which was already in production.

      Pashalok wrote that Petrov approached the D-10S "from above" - ​​the D-25T became the basis for the D-10S.
      While the S-34 was designed as a triplex (122mm, 100mm, and 85mm with increased muzzle velocity), the D-10 eliminated the need for "adjacent" variants. It was based on a mount design similar to the D-5 and D-25. Moreover, Plant No. 9 was already designing a 122mm D-25 gun for a self-propelled gun, and the D-10 had a similar breechblock, cradle, and elevation and traverse mechanisms. This explained the rapid development of the gun.
  8. 0
    April 13 2026 14: 36
    Quote: Illanatol
    Quote: Victor Leningradets
    In 1943, after the IS tank's demonstration, production of these vehicles as primary vehicles had to be transitioned, with the caveat that armament testing would be necessary. The USSR lost many tank crews by retaining the T-34 as its primary tank.


    Making a heavy tank with a powerful gun but a low rate of fire as the primary tank? Not a very good idea. The primary tank in that war should have been a medium tank, more versatile and with balanced characteristics, high maintainability, and ease of operation. Incidentally, the Yankees thought the same thing.
    Of course, it would be nice if the T-34-85 could replace the T-44, freed from its minor flaws. But alas...

    From a purely structural standpoint, there was nothing preventing a switch to the T-54, but the production readiness, starting with the size of the boring machines and the number of gear-cutting machines, made this impossible. Furthermore, the T-44-54-55 design and beyond required high reliability of the main components, which, unfortunately, was not an option during the war. So, continuing production of the T-34-85 was the only possible and absolutely correct decision.
    War is a trade in metal, and wholesale trade in cheap goods is always more profitable than expensive retail. It sounds cynical, but true.
    1. Alf
      0
      April 13 2026 22: 07
      Quote: Grossvater
      Well, the T-44-54-55 design and so on required high reliability of the main units, which, unfortunately, was not so easy during the war.

      This is confirmed by the fact that the entire first production run of T-44s was used only in the rear in training schools, and even then the plant was inundated with a wave of quality complaints.
      And even post-war T-54 production was halted precisely because of quality issues. And the war was already over.
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  9. 0
    April 13 2026 15: 31
    The main photo shows a barbecue! So that's where it all started!
    1. 0
      April 13 2026 16: 34
      But back then, they were used against shaped-charge grenades. Unfortunately, they weren't very helpful.
      1. 0
        April 14 2026 06: 05
        Quote: Reaz
        But back then, they were used against shaped-charge grenades. Unfortunately, they weren't very helpful.

        They should have placed it further away from the armor. Like they do now on the Tsar-Barbecues.
  10. 0
    April 13 2026 15: 46
    It's a pity that only the T-44 turret was installed on the T-34, and the new tank was not accepted into service.
    The frontal part of the T-44 does not have any vulnerabilities, such as the driver's hatch and machine gun nest.
    1. Alf
      0
      April 13 2026 22: 10
      Quote: dragon772
      new st

      New what?
      1. 0
        April 14 2026 09: 06
        Medium Tank, those who play potato and Tundra will immediately understand.
    2. 0
      April 14 2026 11: 27
      Quote: dragon772
      It's a pity that only the T-44 turret was installed on the T-34, and the new tank was not accepted into service.

      Throughout the war, attempts were made to replace the T-34. And each time, something got in the way.
      The modernized T-34 of 1941 was interrupted by the outbreak of war.
      The T-43 was recommended for adoption, but the production run was cut short due to the munitions plan—the army needed tanks, lots of them, by late 1943. As a result, instead of a new medium tank, they decided to modernize the T-34 again.
      The T-44 was accepted into service in July 1944. Its production proved the military's predictions regarding the T-43's prospects for a new medium tank to be correct. The tank had a difficult time getting into production.
      ...in Kharkiv, KB-520 was held in low regard for its poorly developed technical documentation. For example, the floor pan in the submitted design documentation consisted of three parts, while in reality it consisted of eleven. In his new position, M.N. Shchukin, the new head of Plant No. 75's design bureau, had to deal with similar issues. In a short period of time, the tank's documentation was redone, with the hull and chassis undergoing significant redesign.
      © Yuri Pasholok. Intermediate Revolution.
      Quote: dragon772
      The frontal part of the T-44 does not have any vulnerabilities, such as the driver's hatch and machine gun nest.

      At first, he did. But on the third try, Morozov was convinced that the driver's cabin was unnecessary. smile
      1. 0
        April 14 2026 15: 32
        But on the third attempt, Morozov was convinced that the driver's booth was not needed.

        It's funny, the same fight took place for the IS-2 driver's hatch plug when the upper glacis plate was straightened.
        There is a clear contradiction here between the formal increase in the tank's survivability due to the invulnerability of the upper glacis plate and the actual survivability in battle due to the reduction in the driver's field of view.
      2. 0
        April 15 2026 09: 03
        If you suffer for a long time, something will work out! good
        It’s a pity that the IS-3 and T-44 did not participate in the operation against the Kwantung Army.
        Only IS-3 in Berlin, the parade of winners.
  11. -1
    April 13 2026 15: 49
    The problem wasn't even with the Tigers and Panthers. By the summer of 1943, the frontal armor of the Pz.III had been increased to 70 mm, and that of the Pz.IV Ausf.G to 80 mm. The days when the T-34-76 could hit from 1500-2000 meters were long gone. However, the Achilles' heel of these vehicles—30 mm of side armor—remained, and with proper maneuvering, the T-34s could quickly get into position for flanking fire.
    However, a far-sighted decision was made to rearm the T-34 with a more powerful gun.
    As a result, the T-34-85 became a vehicle that combined reliability and maneuverability that tankers had never dreamed of in 1941, and armament and communications that allowed it to confidently confront the German "cats."
    The apotheosis was the "Lisuv Massacre" on January 14, 1945, when 44 T-34-85 tanks from the 10th Guards Tank Corps fought against 29 Tigers, 23 King Tigers of the 424th Heavy Tank Battalion of the Ground Army, and 16 Panthers of the 16th Tank Division. On the first day of battle, at the cost of four burned-out tanks, they destroyed seven Tigers, four King Tigers, and five Panthers. This doesn't even include the knocked-out enemy tanks, which the Germans eventually abandoned.
  12. +1
    April 13 2026 16: 39
    Quote: dragon772
    It's a pity that only the T-44 turret was installed on the T-34, and the new tank was not accepted into service.
    The frontal part of the T-44 does not have any vulnerabilities, such as the driver's hatch and machine gun nest.

    The T-43 turret. Please don't confuse it with the T-34-85, which was essentially a mockup used to test the new turret. It was the success of this mockup that convinced the country's leadership not to begin production of the T-43. They were right to do so, by the way.
  13. +1
    April 13 2026 16: 40
    Quote: Grossvater
    The size of the boring machines and the number of gear cutting machines did not allow for such an opportunity.

    I also forgot to mention the manufacturing capabilities of a torsion bar suspension. While very simple in design, such a suspension is very complex technologically.
  14. 0
    April 13 2026 17: 18
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Pashalok wrote that Petrov approached the D-10S "from above" - ​​the D-25T became the basis for the D-10S.

    Well, D-25 was D-2-5 in its infancy. So...
  15. 0
    April 13 2026 17: 21
    Quote: Alexey RA

    That's exactly what I'm talking about. Where Petrov adapted the gun to the customer's specifications to minimize changes to the cabin or turret design, thereby reducing the time and cost of the work, Grabin demanded that the tank/SPG be adapted to his own specifications.
    Plus, Grabin's design bureau regularly submitted weapons for testing that were so sophisticated that the customer had the impression that they were being treated in a "take it and leave it" style.


    The problem is that the customer often behaves inappropriately, and giving in to him risks being asked to do "this and that, and also have it weigh less, cost less, and be repaired by any Dzhamshut."

    And so, it is indeed more convenient for the loader to stand to the left of the gun, so that the feeding hand is his right.
    And there are no obstacles to placing the gunner on the right, even if you rely on purely manual horizontal guidance, especially in self-propelled guns.

    As for changes in the design of the frontal part/turret - in conditions when we are talking about a new vehicle, which is just entering testing/preparation for the shaft, the corresponding changes are not the biggest headache :-/
    1. +1
      April 13 2026 18: 07
      On the American light tank M3l "Stuart" the tank commander was the loader.
      And the observation turret was above the gunner's head...
      Every hut has its own little trinkets...
      1. 0
        April 13 2026 20: 15
        Since WWI, the French have had a one-man band of commanders: a commander, a gunner, and a loader, and when they started installing radios in tanks, they also had to tap out Morse code with some kind of extremity while flipping through a code book (voice radio communication was very close and was prohibited for security reasons).

        But surely one can’t constantly elevate traditions (which were then only 20-30 years old at most) to the absolute?..
        1. 0
          April 13 2026 20: 44
          On the T-28, the commander sat in the turret machine gunner's seat.
          In the KV-1 in the same place - on the right in front.
          On the IS and T-34-85, tank commanders sat on the left behind the gunners and with observation turrets.
          Changes were taking place.
          Not everything was implemented, but there were changes.
  16. +1
    April 13 2026 18: 36
    There are three best medium tanks of the Second World War: the PzIV, the T-34, and the Sherman. They all have their pros and cons, but they were the ones that held the battles together.
  17. -1
    April 13 2026 18: 41
    The article is, well, so-so... Its value is so-so, purely for a general overview of the topic. Without specifying losses by the number of units produced and delivered to the troops participating in various operations, by types of enemy weapons, penetration/hit locations on the tank, crew survival (where the tank was penetrated/hit and which crew members survived), etc.... the article is of no particular value. Actually, this seems strange to me, since the article is by M. Baryatinsky, a fairly knowledgeable person on tank topics. I read his article, a long time ago, about the losses and their types depending on enemy weapons, our tanks at the Kursk Bulge and elsewhere, published in the magazine "Equipment and Armament," I think for some month in 2000. So, that article and this one are "heaven and earth" in terms of information content.
    1. 0
      April 13 2026 19: 47
      The article is, well, so-so... Its value is so-so, purely for general familiarization with the topic. Without specifying losses by the number of units produced and delivered to the troops participating in various operations, by types of enemy weapons, penetration/hit locations on the tank, crew survival (location of penetration/hit on the tank and which crew members survived), etc.... the article has no particular value.


      Can you find similar information?
      Based on the results of the study of 450 T-34 tanks received from the Stalingrad, Donskoy and Western

      fronts from March to July 1943, the design bureau of plant No. 180 made the following

      findings:

      The main reason for the destruction of tanks is shell damage to the hull and turret, mainly from 42-50 mm caliber shells.

      A significant percentage of damage (up to 36%) occurs to the tower.

      Fires and explosions in tanks, caused mainly by shell damage, are a widespread phenomenon - up to 60% of all damaged tanks.

      There is a high percentage of cars with a ripped driver cover (16%).

      When repairing the hulls, screens with a thickness of 16 and 10 mm were used to strengthen the strength of damaged parts (10 mm for sides in places where a large screen thickness may interfere with the installation of the tank chassis).
  18. 0
    April 13 2026 23: 09
    The article is great!
    However, I have a question about the title photo.
    What's that homemade grill over the tank's turret? Just like now.
    1. +1
      April 14 2026 02: 05
      The article contains a number of inaccuracies. This is not to diminish the author's achievements in popularizing the history of tank design. But still. Things aren't so clear-cut with the T-34-85. The T-34-85 was accepted into service with the D5 cannon, as stated in GKO Resolution No. 4776SS of December 15.12.43, 1.01.1943, with a cannon designed by NKVD Plant No. 9. The gun ring diameter is not mentioned, only indirectly. Regarding the S-53: Resolution No. 4873 of January 4, 5, arming the T-34 with the 85mm S-53 cannon instead of the F-34 in the standard turret. This didn't work out; it was cramped. Those interested can find GKO resolutions online. Regarding the crew: four people migrated to the T-34-85 from the T-34-76, since the new crew was not accepted. If memory serves, the brigades used up the personnel of one motorized rifle platoon to add five crew members. War, but order. Regarding turrets for the 85mm gun, there are many of them, they're similar, but different.
      For your information, I understand that I need to delve into this.
      R-2778 Turret for D-5 and F-34 mm 12.08.43 From BM UVZ
      34.30.739 Turret hull for 85mm 12.8.43 Main view cast in one piece, wall thickness 52mm, embrasure 826mm, requires insert like the T-43. Most likely, this turret is from the experimental vehicle of the 183rd plant, almost identical to the R-2778.
      34.30.757 Turret hull for 85 mm. Archive number: report VP 112 plant, 2.44. There is no other data on this turret, I think this is the first serial one for D-5.
      34.30.769 Turret hull for 85 mm 18.2.44 Looks like a serial side 52, front 90, embrasure 745 mm,
      34.30.808 Turret hull for 85 mm 3.1944 With modifications, standard for 44 and 45 g.
      34.30.808 Turret hull for 85 mm With thickening for turret com, for assembly 34.30.sb-19-12, for S-53, embrasure 745 mm, 1956. The last version with all changes.
      34.30.808-1 Turret hull for 85 mm 05/12/1944 Side 75, front 90, embrasure 805 mm,
      34.30.808-1/2 Turret body for 85 mm. Archive number: report VP 112 plant, number 112 - 34-30-2819, 8.44 g.
      Naturally, this isn't all, but what remains. Regarding the turrets from Plant 112. Briefly, they were initially designed for the D-5, then switched to the S-53. There weren't enough S-53s, so they made a universal version for both the D-5 and S-53. The photo clearly shows the turrets with a wide mantlet.
      It's amazing how fast they worked; nowadays they wouldn't even have time to sign a single report in that time.
      For those interested, please see https://drawingstanks.blogspot.com/2014/03/112.html, this is for the towers of the 112th plant.
    2. 0
      April 14 2026 10: 02
      Quote: Neo-9947
      The article is great!
      However, I have a question about the title photo.
      What's that homemade grill over the tank's turret? Just like now.


      A substitute for an anti-cumulative screen for urban combat, when Faustniks fired from the upper floors at the roof of a tank.
  19. +1
    April 15 2026 16: 23
    Red Army soldiers made barbecues before it became mainstream...