The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 25 December 2012

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After a long break caused by certain circumstances between Georgia and Russia for the first time, an exchange of high-level courtesies took place. Moreover, it really was courtesy.
“We see positive signals - while very restrained, but still positive signals from the Georgian authorities,” said Vladimir Putin at a big press conference.

Russia, as Putin noted, responds in the same way. Nevertheless, the President talked about the impasse in which Saakashvili led the situation and from which it is not clear how to get out.

Vladimir Putin: “Russia cannot change its decision related to the recognition of independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. We cannot do this by definition. And Georgia cannot agree to recognize their independent status. I have no idea what can be done here ".

In turn, Georgian Prime Minister Ivanishvili called Putin’s statements "cautious and positive." “Even more interesting were the statements made from Moscow that it is possible to restore full trade relations with Russia,” the prime minister said. “We will certainly take part in the Sochi Olympiad. If there were no other reason for restoring relations with Russia, it should have been would come up. "

This is "necessarily" worth a lot. In Russian-Georgian relations, not only the tone has changed, which is obvious. A special representative was appointed from the Georgian side and negotiations began. Although the situation is formally really kind of dead-end.

"So, I have a clear impression and a feeling that Mr. Ivanishvili has his own road map for bringing Georgia closer to Russia. He should follow this map and wait for the results. The road goes through the road," says former Georgian State Security Minister Igor Georgadze.
Georgadze, whom the Georgian nationalists of 17 have frightened children for years, whose supporters in Georgia have been in prisons until recently, knows what he is saying.
“From what has been done, we can note the closure of the anti-Russian channel, the opening of the broadcasting of Russian channels, the rejection of Russophobic rhetoric and the release of political prisoners,” said Georgadze.

At the same time, Ivanishvili generally shows her absolute loyalty to America and her commitment to joining NATO in every possible way. The leaders of the “Georgian Dream” were in close contact with the American embassy long before the start of the election campaign itself. Nevertheless, the actions of the new government cause a real hysteria in some parts of the American establishment.

“As for Georgia, the West simply does not have the right to lose it, otherwise we will lose access to the Caspian Sea, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Central Asia as a whole,” wrote the classic of American geopolitics Zbigniew Brzezinski. Recently, speaking in the US Congress, he noted: "Georgia is becoming a possible candidate for an alliance with Russia, and this could cost her friendship with the United States."

"Everything is gone, the client is leaving, the cast is removed!" (from the movie "Diamond Hand")

Volga flows into the Caspian Sea, and not the Mississippi. Can America somehow survive the loss of access to the Caspian? .. In fact, the victory of the opposition in Georgia, which some rushed to declare victory for Georgian democracy and the personal merit of Saakashvili, is in fact the merit of the current American administration. They allowed the opposition to win. And they also allowed the famous pro-Russian drift. Naturally, while respecting the proper politeness. And Russia, note, reciprocates, emphatically without interfering with Mr. Ivanishvili, including her public support.
"I am not guilty! He came himself!" (from the movie "Diamond Hand")

In fact, Georgia, apparently, is the example of a frozen conflict, which we talked about as a likely prospect of new US-Russian relations. The dead end is a stalemate. A stalemate is a draw. Anyway, in this game.
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    1. +14
      25 December 2012 19: 19
      Exchange of courtesies ..... after our guys were killed ......
      1. +14
        25 December 2012 20: 02
        Like, dislike, but somehow you need to embroider this knot. Last year, there was an article here that the policy of Georgia throughout history is a policy of a consistent search for the strongest master. And the fact that the scales swung in favor of Russia, says a lot.
        In general, somehow it becomes very restless in this world. All the houses of cards of American hegemony crumble, and there will be a great nudge.
        1. +7
          25 December 2012 20: 13
          Drive ov from the post-Soviet space in the neck. Over 20 years of very colorful events perfectly show the effectiveness of the pro-Western course.
        2. +18
          25 December 2012 20: 30
          Quote: Botanologist
          Georgia’s policy throughout history is a policy of a consistent search for the strongest host.

          Greetings, colleague! This is the policy of all small states, not just Georgia. Today, we wave our tail in front of the owner, tomorrow we are trying to bite his hand in the presence of a new one, only because he threw a larger piece ...
        3. +3
          25 December 2012 20: 57
          Quote: Botanologist
          Like, dislike, but somehow you need to embroider this knot.

          Yeah, like, don't like, sleep, my beauty, what was there to warn? I’ll go to sleep, remember and go
        4. 0
          25 December 2012 23: 51
          Quote: Botanologist
          In general, somehow it becomes very restless in this world. All the houses of cards of American hegemony crumble, and there will be a great nudge.
          - eh, something I wanted to mushrooms -)))). Such that I would eat - and you are not afraid of anything, and nothing scares you, especially the great schukhers -))). Can you tell me about mushrooms? At the same time, the recipe -)))).
        5. donchepano
          +1
          26 December 2012 07: 21
          Quote: Botanologist
          Like, dislike, but somehow you need to embroider this knot.


          You should not rush here
      2. +6
        25 December 2012 20: 22
        Quote: Vadivak
        after they killed our guys ......

        Greetings, Vadim! "Pleasures" from Sahak and Co. towards Russia, accumulated over four years, will be enough to rake about 50 years, until the generation of Young Georgians brought up on hatred of Russia and the Russians is replaced. So these are words, nothing more. And for the guys, let the Georgians give Mishiko to their parents and children, this will be a courtesy, and not political show-off for the sake of a rating ... Guzins can balabolish, but in fact ... and after 08.08.08. they have no faith ...
        1. +4
          25 December 2012 20: 51
          В
          Quote: Tersky
          Greetings, Vadim! "L

          / Victor, thank you, I’ll tell you so a month before this garbage, we already knew in general, you understand, sorry for the guys
        2. +5
          26 December 2012 00: 06
          Quote: Tersky
          until the generation of young Georgians brought up on hatred of Russia and the Russians changes
          - nk there is still strong and the generation that remembers how they began to slap them during Georgian dances in any part of Russia, every third in Russia who knew how to strum the guitar and sing, knew the lyrics, if not Suliko, then at least "Chitogrito, chito margarito". I think that generation liked and still like that time, and they will somehow explain to those young Georgians what is what and what friendship is better. Considering that it is customary in the Caucasus to respect elders and listen to their opinion, there is hope for this.
          And the official propaganda of faith is worth a penny, no need to exaggerate its power. Our youth are also hammered into "de-Stalinization", but the success is modest - the old people in the kitchen win in the struggle for the hearts of young people. Well this is IMHO and hope.
          And from a pragmatic point of view - an excess of generally good wine and very good water "Borjomi" should be put somewhere, preferably for hard currency. And then Onishchenko -))))))). Russian tourists, and our Kazakhs, no longer really like it in Turkey - they are not greeted that way, not so respected, they are also poisoned with anything. For dollars. And here - CHACHA. Yes, on the banks of Batum. It's not bad too. Amers can offer this to Georgians? What can they offer Georgians in general, besides junk? A weapon that won't help them anyway?
          I'll go buy a chacha tomorrow, drink it on NG for friendship, I love this grape drink. Recommend. No, vodka by itself, your Rye or Russian standard - this by itself, already lies. And the vodka lies. And drink it all laughing
    2. +19
      25 December 2012 19: 27
      There is no faith for them!
      Let the fat-faced deputy-instigator from "Anatomy of Protest", the tie-expert for the trial, be handed over for the investigation, then you can say courtesies.
    3. +9
      25 December 2012 19: 31
      The US starts a policy of "sucking up" with Russia, through Georgia, realizing that it has already lost it! For decisive actions against the Magnitsky law suddenly ran into decisive actions of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
    4. patriot2
      +4
      25 December 2012 19: 51
      In general, will the principle prevail: "a bad peace is better than a good war"?
      Only who will wash off the spilled blood of the Russian guys who died for the freedom of Abkhazia and South Ossetia?
    5. +16
      25 December 2012 19: 59
      A dead end is a stalemate. And stalemate is a draw. Anyway in this party.

      This is if we consider events as a separate party. From the point of view of the "big game" the Americans, having made several moves, decided to preserve the situation. The goals set for Saakashvili were fully achieved: Georgia was finally withdrawn from the influence of Russia, the five-day war affected many people on both sides, which will have a negative meaning at the grassroots level for a very long time. Saakashvili was no longer needed, a replacement was selected for him. Yes, and completely maintaining a "small and proud" country is still expensive. Hence the urge to normalize relations and hints of economic cooperation. A banal thing, pro-American Georgia on normalization will slightly reduce the burden on the US budget. Do we need it?
    6. Cold
      +6
      25 December 2012 20: 15
      Georgia is the next lot in the game between NATO and Russia; it itself does not decide anything, but thinks it decides. wink
    7. +8
      25 December 2012 20: 17
      I also think so, as stated above, that before the courtesies it is necessary to bring the "tie-expert" to criminal responsibility for the murder of civilians and for the death of our soldiers.

      Actions must be consistent:
      1, Court on Saakoshvili for a war crime.
      2. Exchange of courtesies with the Georgian side.
      Saakashvili is a war criminal, this fact cannot be ignored.

      I don’t believe Ivanishvili. This is approximately the same if you replace Chubais with Navalny, or Khodorkovsky with Berezovsky.
      THE OWNER of Georgia is the same America, there will be no peace with them, although I would like peace, but only after the trial of Sahaki.
      1. Cavas
        +6
        25 December 2012 20: 35
        Quote: Sergg
        Actions must be consistent:
        1, Court on Saakoshvili for a war crime.
        2. Exchange of courtesies with the Georgian side.
        Saakashvili is a war criminal, this fact cannot be ignored.

        I’m afraid that on the first point we’ll argue that Sahak is recognized as insane, definitely!
        1. +2
          25 December 2012 20: 55
          : Cavas
          here it’s not necessary to castrate Misha ......
          1. Cavas
            +1
            25 December 2012 20: 58
            Quote: Vadivak
            here it’s not necessary to castrate Misha ......


            This is possible, but later!
            But you must not forget him!
            1. +3
              25 December 2012 21: 02
              Quote: Cavas
              This is possible, but later!


              Believe it was late, believe me, for a month .... remember
        2. mda
          mda
          +3
          25 December 2012 21: 42
          Quote: Cavas
          I’m afraid that on the first point we’ll argue that Sahak is recognized as insane, definitely!

          For eggs to hang previously give to bite a tie.
          1. +6
            26 December 2012 03: 12
            Quote: mda-a
            For eggs to hang previously give to bite a tie.

            better vice versa - hang on a tie after he bites off his eggs wassat
      2. +1
        25 December 2012 21: 26
        Quote: Sergg
        , Court on Saakoshvili for a war crime.
        definitely big +, like Nuremberg
        Quote: Sergg
        I don’t believe Ivanishvili. This is approximately the same if you replace Chubais with Navalny, or Khodorkovsky with Berezovsky.
        with the replacement of their place of residence, i.e. Khodorkovsky to London, and Berezovsky to the colony? very good exchange. I will even support him
        1. +2
          26 December 2012 05: 46
          Misha will soon be out of work. The states don't need him anymore. Can we turn it over? We tie him, and he will launch a struggle with democracy? bully
    8. +1
      25 December 2012 20: 38
      The time will come on their knees crawling (this is about the "politicians" of the Georgian) and with this people we have lived normally for centuries and got along, so it will continue
    9. david210512
      0
      25 December 2012 20: 44
      Georgia always went under the west Ps I'm not talking about all Georgians
    10. +3
      25 December 2012 21: 43
      And you have to decide something. Frozen conflict is a clue for the future. It’s better not to leave them behind. + Do you think of few Georgians and relatives in Russia?
      1. +1
        25 December 2012 23: 19
        Quote: homosum20
        + Do you think of few Georgians and relatives in Russia?

        So what? My neighbor Zurab tried to show me something about the unfairly harsh reaction of Russia, I explained everything to him, on the fingers, he simply understood, greeted and smiled again, we even drink cognac and vodka on holidays.
    11. +1
      25 December 2012 22: 55
      Georgian tangerines went to Russia ... through Belarus laughing

      Spoken on the site Grani.ru

      Russia is concerned about the possible rearmament of Georgia, Deputy Defense Minister of the Russian Federation Anatoly Antonov told reporters.

      "We constantly pay serious attention to the issues of preventing the remilitarization of Georgia. We constantly raise this topic during bilateral contracts with our Western partners and during multilateral meetings. The Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff have already noted the danger of arms supplies to this country," Antonov said on press conferences at RIA Novosti.

      My webpage
    12. +3
      25 December 2012 23: 07
      I already wrote in other topics about Georgia, and now I want to repeat myself; why the fuck do we need it ?, this naughty Georgia, with its great Georgian people, to breed a neher polites with them (died so dead), let Brzezinski feed them with kodly. And to create such visa conditions so that not a single Georgian person stays in Russia for more than three days, except for those who are already a citizen, who should not be allowed to organize any business, and not any joint ventures, to beat them with a full program for air and railway transport , and let them live for now, but we'll see what to do with them.
      1. 0
        26 December 2012 03: 00
        You cannot do this for one simple reason. At the moment, Georgia is the only way out of the Westerners to the Caspian. It is necessary to find an opportunity to collapse this bridge for shit-democratizers. True, this is a strategic task. A couple of years of your proposed brainwash, I think, would have benefited them. But not more.
    13. +1
      25 December 2012 23: 20
      I insist that Georgians are a good nation. Well, the mentality could not change for some 20 years! There is genetic memory, anyway. You can not re-educate the whole country, having processed the consciousness of one or two generations.
      And Abkhizia and South Ossetia, if they want, can themselves return to Georgia, which, however, is unlikely
      1. max-02215
        0
        26 December 2012 08: 18
        Yeah, for some reason, most of the thieves in law are Georgians and Jews.
        From the fact that Georgian wine and tea didn’t become hot for us, it’s not cold for us, they sell good chacha on the Sochi market, and where does Georgia get access to the Caspian?
        Of course, now, the Turks will not cut them, so it’s possible, on their part, to brand the empire, although who knows, history, they say, moves in a spiral .....
        In general, of all the peoples saved by the Russian Empire, only the Armenians remained friends, and even the "grateful" Bulgarians betrayed them ... I hope that the Ossetians will not be prostitutes
      2. 0
        26 December 2012 15: 34
        Quote: Magadan
        You can not re-educate the whole country, having processed the consciousness of one or two generations.

        As Chapaev said in one famous joke about Anka, that sho there of that Georgia, you saw her in a magnifying glass.
    14. 0
      26 December 2012 03: 58
      "As for Georgia, the West simply has no right to lose it, because otherwise we will lose access to the Caspian Sea, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Central Asia as a whole," wrote the classic of American geopolitics Zbigniew Brzezinski.

      Let's hope that the Americans are not worried in vain, that we, in fact, will "drive them away" from the Caspian, and it would be better even further.
      1. 0
        26 December 2012 15: 38
        Quote: Bulls.
        - wrote the classic of American geopolitics Zbigniew Brzezinski.

        He wrote this specially for us, so that we would be scared and begin to feed these goats again.
    15. boris.radevitch
      0
      26 December 2012 04: 30
      Mudoshvili needs an insertion and then we Russians will find a common language with the Georgian peoples is a fact! drinks
    16. zstalkerzz
      0
      26 December 2012 06: 42
      Georgia joined NATO and it cannot change its course just like that. but they need to think that friendship with the United States leads to the fact that the "democrats" will use Georgia as a dummy. I do not think that Russia has the same attitude towards its neighbor.
    17. sashka
      0
      26 December 2012 18: 05
      I hate Americans, but because of ONE American. with or without reason they send AUG to protect National Interests .. And we are "establishing a dialogue" .. What a stupidity .. WITH SUCH LOSSES OF PEACEKEEPERS. AND RUSSIAN CITIZENS ..
      It remains to admit that there is nothing to "crush" .. And the Georgian thieves "authorities" all the same "participate" in the State Administration of Russia. However, like our home-grown .. There is no Hope and Pride .. We can only hope .. The question is WHAT?

      Factories, Factories (which remain) do not belong to Russians, and outlets too .. Question .. And who ?? WHO ARE WE..? JUST NOBODY. The Germans (fascists) could not .. Well, WE THEMSELVES ... The plan WORKS .. It's even becoming "habitual" ..

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