Expert: Pan-Europeanism will allow building a unified perception of history for Russia, Belarus and Ukraine

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Expert: Pan-Europeanism will allow building a unified perception of history for Russia, Belarus and UkraineThe reunification of Russia and Belarus in the XNUMXth century was not a whim of Catherine the Great and not the realization of the "aggressive" plans of the Russian Empire, but a triumph historical justice and satisfaction of centuries-old aspirations of the common people of Western Russia and his many requests to the "White Russian Tsarina" to take him under his protection. This was stated during his speech at the conference on the theme “Reunification of Belarus and Russia” held on December 21 at the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies, head of the Belarusian cultural and educational project “Western Russia” Igor Zelenkovsky, a REGNUM correspondent reports.

The expert noted that in Belarusian folk songs and legends, the Russian monarch was traditionally considered to be his Russian “White Tsar”. As an example, Zelenkovsky cited the text of a Belarusian song published in one of the collections published in Vilnius in the year 1866:

"Bilarusky king of all the kings of atsze
Ion Dzyarzhyr Chrystinian faith,
Chrystian, bahamas,
Kali budze is apacenal time -
Wsi tsars-punished to the pit of the worshiper. "


Belarusian folklore also completely denies the thesis that the Patriotic War of the 1812 of the year was not for the Belarusians of the Patriotic War, and that the population of West Russian lands supposedly supported Napoleon for the most part. Zelenkovsky quoted the legend of the Napoleonic invasion recorded by folklorists at the beginning of the 20th century in Slutsk Uyezd: “The twelve-year-old reptile fell upon the beluga of the Tsar’s king, the Frenchman Napalien. It was necessary to squad the troops, it’s worthless,” he said. “On the basis of historical memory, people unmistakably determine enemies and allies during wars. The people themselves are a historical phenomenon that exists as a subject of history. Therefore, folklore, and today this is public opinion, is genuine historical knowledge,” Zelenkovsky emphasized.

"Starting from the Union of Lublin in 1569, when the Polish – Lithuanian Commonwealth was formed, and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Russian lost its Russian political component, the oppression of the Orthodox Church, the expulsion of the Western Russian written language from the office work, the general persecution of the entire Russian, especially intensified after the Brest Church Union, began. It was a continuous process of the struggle of the Russian Orthodox population of Western Russia for reunification with Russia. These were centuries of incessant national liberation struggle on the territory. Ukraine and Belarus, and this struggle ended not with the political reunification of the Belarusian lands and Russia 240 years ago, but only after the abolition of the church union at the Polotsk Cathedral in 1839 and the liberation of the peasantry from Polish landowners in 1861, the suppression of the Polish insurrection 150 years ago in 1863 year ", - said Zelenkovsky.

Speaking about the modern perception of the question of the unity of the history of Russia and Belarus, the expert drew attention to the fact that in the pages of the most widely read Belarusian media oriented to the West, the history of Belarus is presented as something different from the history of the Russian world. “Russia and the Russian Empire are exposed as the eternal enemy of the Belarusians. The fall of Rzeczpospolita is interpreted as Russia's seizure of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania for the Belarusians. Tadeush Kostyushko is portrayed as a national Belarusian hero, along with Konstantin Kalinovsky, one of the leaders of the last Polish rebellion. A minor clash Polish insurgents with Russian troops in 1863, under the Milovida, nationalistic media is included in the 10 list of the greatest victories of Belarus weapons. Monuments are erected to Polish and Lithuanian gentry, who actively fought against Russia, many articles and books are dedicated to them. At the same time, the media do not stop talking about the advisability of closing the museum of Alexander Suvorov in Kobrin, as a museum executioner of the Belarusian people, "Zelenkovsky said.

According to him, the lies of the pro-Western Belarusian media about the events of the reunification of Belarus and Russia are largely based on the Belarusian history textbooks, in which the reunification is called “intervention”, the anti-Russian uprising of Tadeush Kostyushko is an attempt to preserve “sovereignty”, and the insurrection of Kalinovsky is a desire to revive statehood. " “Is it worth so much to blame the authors of modern Belarusian textbooks for any particular falsification? The fact is that this is not their authorship, since almost everything migrated from Soviet history textbooks of Belorussia. Soviet historiography was a harmonious line of class struggle, and all The main enemy of the people was the Russian autocracy and Orthodoxy as its support. Accordingly, anyone who fought with tsarism, was raised on a pedestal of a fighter for the people's happiness. And all other arguments were not taken into account. National heroes migrated to the Belarusian Soviet pantheon of heroes, "the expert said. This led to the fact that young Belarusians, after studying this story and, not having a base of children's perception of “friend or foe” in the form of folk legends in historical tales and songs, are already easily succumbed to propaganda by pro-Western media, who claim that Belarusians are alien to Russians and Russia is their eternal enemy, said Zelenkovsky.

According to him, before the revolution, there existed a “History of the Russian State”, in which the entire Historic Russia was a single subject of history. There was a coherent concept of a Russian Orthodox state, ruled by the anointed sovereigns of God, Rurik and the Romanovs. "Soviet historiography has crossed it all out," said the expert.

“In the current situation, when Historical Russia is divided into three Russian states: the Russian Federation, Belarus and Ukraine, it is imperative to start building a common concept for the historical process of the Russian Orthodox civilization for all our states. If you want this concept of pan-Russianism, in the Belarusian case this is the modern approach Western Russianists. Only in this case, when the fragmentation of our history will be overcome, when the beginning of our statehood will be considered from the baptism of Kievan Rus in one process, both with periods of prosperity and social unrest, accompanied by temporary separation, and each time ending with a new reunion, fraternal and allied relations between the three Russian states are possible, otherwise, after some time, all of them, including the Russian Federation, will lose their Russianness ", - concluded Igor Zelenkovsky.
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  1. Horde
    +22
    26 December 2012 07: 19
    do not believe the BROTHERS-BELARUSS of the pro-Western scum, we are ONE PEOPLE and we will feel bad without each other. The West does not need Russia, Belarus or Ukraine-Little Russia, the West needs only slaves. TOGETHER we are strength.
    1. Igor Belov
      +13
      26 December 2012 09: 20
      Quote: Horde
      DO NOT BELARUS BROTHERS

      So they do not believe. And then, in Belarus there is someone to intercede in history - the Old Man is not asleep.
      1. Horde
        0
        26 December 2012 18: 30
        So they do not believe. And then, in Belarus there is someone to intercede in history - the Old Man is not asleep.


        recently a disturbing article flashed in the "military review" Belarusian revanchists encroach on the Patriotic War of 1812

        http://topwar.ru/21888-svoloch-so-vsego-sveta-ili-otechestvennaya-voyna-1812-god
        ai-belorussiya.html
    2. botur2013
      +13
      26 December 2012 11: 32
      The BSSR was born, the Soviet Union was always considered its homeland. Now it turns out I have no homeland. Only reunion can put everything in its place!
  2. +22
    26 December 2012 07: 25
    No matter how they try, all kinds of Westerners and Natsiks there - It has long been clear to everyone that the Great Union: Russia - Belarus and Ukraine - is power !!! Power is respected, power is afraid !!! I am for Unification !!!
    1. +12
      26 December 2012 07: 44
      taseka,
      Strength is now in our school to study! smile This is where history teachers will send her there and turn our offspring!
      Once again, throw everything against the reform of education. Watch friends and watch what your children learn in schools!
      1. Igor Belov
        +10
        26 December 2012 09: 26
        Quote: sergo0000
        Strength is now in our school to study!

        You are absolutely right, it is the children today who are our strategic reserve and it is the take-off that the most responsible part of the work on patriotic education should be conducted. And it would be ideal if we could protect our children from the harmful effects of pro-Western liberal ideas.
        1. +6
          26 December 2012 12: 14
          Quote: Igor Belov
          And it would be ideal if we could protect our children from the harmful effects of pro-Western liberal ideas.


          To do this, you need to start from school ... Drive Fursenko and his ilk with a filthy broom, prohibit printing history books on foreign grants - who pays, he orders music the story ...
          1. Igor Belov
            +8
            26 December 2012 13: 34
            Quote: vadimN
            prohibit the printing of history books on foreign grants

            This is indisputable! And it concerns not only history, but also the Russian language.
      2. 0
        26 December 2012 21: 29
        sergo0000
        I also teach as it should !!!
    2. +9
      26 December 2012 09: 21
      Quote: taseka
      It has long been clear to everyone that the Great Union: Russia - Belarus and Ukraine

      Yes, what kind of peoples, brotherly - no, if it is a question. Complete nonsense. WE ARE ONE PEOPLE !!!
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        0
        26 December 2012 11: 01
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ All for sure !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    3. +6
      26 December 2012 11: 50
      Quote: taseka
      No matter how they try, all kinds of Westerners and Natsiks are there - It has long been clear to everyone that the Great Union: Russia - Belarus and Ukraine - is power !!! Power is respected, power is afraid !!! I am for Unification !!!

      I put a plus for you, since I am also "for!"
      But if you really look at things, it’s difficult, damn it, to return everything as it was. Not even one great country without borders and customs, but simply a union of three sovereign states is very difficult to build.
      We have "Freedom" already in parliament. I can imagine what will happen when Janek and Azar present to the Rada for ratification an agreement on Ukraine's entry into the CU ... Belarus has some friction with Russia all the time. (I do not delve into the essence of my father's disagreements with Putin, but I judge by the headlines.)

      Too many scum (agents of influence - "conscious", who are for money and benefits, and "unconscious" - feeble-minded, whose brains could not withstand the onslaught of Western propaganda) during this time, the State Department bought and raised in our countries .. "Obtained" (Clintonsha ) recently promised "we will not be allowed!" unification, and we have to admit they have the leverage for this, the opposition will be strong.

      Therefore, you need to approach the issue intelligently ... Works to hell, you cannot unite with slogans alone.
    4. sq
      +4
      26 December 2012 12: 38
      I am also for the UNION, but not for the takeover.
      And the article "-". An article in this vein can be sprinkled by any stubborn Natsik, pulling facts from history and interpreting them as he pleases.
      It's time to recall the classics of Marxism: "To unite - you have to dissociate." We have already managed to process the frames with great success. Now we need to unite. Who is against?
      1. xan
        -6
        26 December 2012 13: 28
        well it is clear
        we need nishtyaki, which will give Russia, and do not need the problems that Russia has.
        I don’t need such a union like the EU, you’re not nifig brothers, but parasites.
        1. sq
          +3
          26 December 2012 14: 29
          xan
          We are brothers, especially younger ones, and we do not get stuffed. These are the descendants of any riffraff teutonic-Ugric-Finnish (forgive me, who will accept at the expense of their people), crawled into power trying to show their importance at the expense of others, they say Ukrainians, Belarusians and further down the list there are younger brothers and they must be freed (from whom, from what?) and attach (to fuck with them).
          And the EU is a collective farm of the time of leveling, when one works hard, two on the side help a little, three in a shade of eggs ... they scratch, but they should be divided equally.
          And about hijacking you can argue a lot - who, how and why.
          For some reason, those who just pull from Russia are not called freeloaders, they forgive debts and even give a loan.
          1. +1
            26 December 2012 21: 58
            Quote: kvm
            I am also for the UNION, but not for the takeover.

            Quote: kvm
            We are brothers, especially younger ones, and we do not get stuffed.

            In your opinion, an equal union will be fair? Can Belarus invest no less than Russia in the security and economy of the union? The choice is not particularly great in alliance with Russia, Belarus and Ukraine will have more opportunities than in Europe, without Russia they will be territories of compact residence of the workers
            Quote: kvm
            And the EU is a collective farm of the time of leveling, when one works hard, two on the side help a little, three in a shade of eggs ... they scratch, but they should be divided equally.

            So far, it seems, not yet, but obviously the desire of many to put this idea into practice
          2. xan
            -1
            27 December 2012 12: 31
            Quote: kvm
            and attach (to fuck with them).


            what can you fuck? What can I have from Russia, I can explain to you, but what about you? In your case, material interest slips in each letter.

            Quote: kvm
            We are brothers, especially younger ones, and we do not get stuffed.


            only those who do not separate themselves from the Russian world are needed. and you are worried about what kind of brother you are.
            Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are absolutely equal countries - this makes me sick. For 20 years of independence, I clearly know that all the greatness of the Slavic world in the past and its further fate lay and lies exclusively with the Russians. everyone else needs an ass in the heat. and with whom much is required, much is given to him. I agree that Belarusians and Ukrainians are more equal to themselves, but there are no nations.
  3. +3
    26 December 2012 07: 33
    Only together - then all obstacles will be on the shoulder. And the Americans are afraid of this, they already faint from dehydration
    1. Kaa
      +3
      26 December 2012 12: 14
      Quote: smel
      Only together ... the Americans are afraid of it

      And the US is actively opposing this, in each country in different ways.
      "The necessary resources for Ukraine and the market can give the Customs Union. This was stated by Valery Muntiyan, Government Commissioner for Cooperation with the Russian Federation, CIS Member States, the Eurasian Economic Community and other regional associations. “Ukraine needs resources and a market. Today, the Customs Union can provide resources and a market. In the Russian Federation, 526 billion gold and currency reserves, stocks of critical imports are 000 months, and in the EU, respectively, 000 billion and 000 months, with a norm of at least 14,7 months. How will Europe give Ukraine if it cannot provide itself “Muntiyan said. . http://hvylya.org/news/u-azarova-skazali-chto-es-nishhiy-po-sravneniyu-s-rossiey
      ... /hvylya.org/news/vstuplenie-ukrainyi-v-tamozhennyiy-soyuz-podgoto
      vit-ee-k-assotsiatsii-s-es-medvedchuk.html
      "Ukraine's desire to change customs duties on the import of 371 goods ran into severe rejection of members of the World Trade Organization (WTO), since it is actually a revision of the terms of membership, "- writes today, December 3, the newspaper" Kommersant-Ukraine ". In particular, as the newspaper reports, The US has already publicly confirmed its concern with an unprecedented issue that has already forced 23 WTO members, including the EU and China, to ask Ukraine to withdraw the application.
      http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1599893.html#ixzz2G8tB10Rc
      "Over the past two years, Russian-Ukrainian relations have also stalled. The overall political and economic situation for President Viktor Yanukovych is quite difficult: rejection of the political regime and methods of conducting domestic political life (the last parliamentary elections), the lack of real reforms that have matured in Ukrainehttp: //www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1603460.html#ixzz2G8ttLTik
      "Today Ukraine is not ready to become a full member of the Customs Union (CU), since such actions of the authorities can provoke a civil war ", - Vadim Kolesnichenko, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, member of the Party of Regions faction, said in an interview with a REGNUM correspondent on 21 December. For Ukraine, it is quite clear and obvious that for it the TS is the key and important today, because the implementation of existing ties is ongoing. We can implement the program of Ukraine’s accession to the CU based on the domestic political situation. Raise the flags of the mind a lot is not necessary, but who will then extinguish the civil war in the country? "
      http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1607514.html#ixzz2G8uRpR6z
      Belarusians should not only be deprived of the right to host the World Hockey Championship in 2014, but also seriously reduce their standard of living... This was stated on December 20 in an interview with Deutsche Welle radio station by the former chief of German intelligence (BND) and diplomat, and now the head of the Association for Human Rights in Belarus, Hans-Georg Wieck.
      In addition, in order to achieve the EU goals, Wieck considers it quite acceptable to reduce or completely stop the purchase of oil products from Belarus, which will not only weaken the "Lukashenka regime", but also will inevitably lead to a decrease in the standard of living of Belarusians. "Everyone will suffer.
      http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1607654.html#ixzz2G8v0Huvq
      1. Kaa
        +4
        26 December 2012 12: 26
        Quote: Kaa
        And the US is actively countering this

        ... and the methods have not changed significantly over 25 years ... divide and conquer ...
        "21 years ago, the superpower that occupied one-sixth of the earth's land officially disappeared ... ... - The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Someone thinks that people tired of waiting for communismthat Khrushchev promised already in 1980, someone that American Pepsi-Cola, who gave the name to a whole generation of Soviet youth, and no less the American CIA, which forced the Arabs to bring down oil prices, are to blame.Another one reasonably believes that the reason for the collapse was Komsomol members who came to the Central Committee of the CPSU after Brezhnev, who were tired of traveling to rest in Crimea and Sochi, but wanted the French Riviera and coconut-banana islands. The most advanced say a whole complex of factors, up to conspiracy of Komsomol members with Arabs and CIA fatigue from nation-wide great construction projects in the vast Siberia and the Far East. repeatedly called the main culprits of the collapse of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachev (aka Gorbi, Spotted and Antichrist) with its restructuring, as well as the mischievous Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich, who realized for three in BialowiezaStrange as it may seem, everyone is right. But still, most of all, if one really wants to personify the “image of the enemy”, it’s not they who are guilty of the collapse of the Soviet Union, but oddly enough, Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev, and if you don’t get personal, then he turned into an elite "vanguard of the working class", confused in who he is building a "bright future" for. The collapse of the Soviet Union began many decades before its first and last president, Mikhail Gorbachev, formally resigned. The Soviet Union was destroyed precisely by those who built it - the Communists. The creation of the Soviet Union simultaneously laid the foundation for a spontaneously developing corporation consisting of on the one hand, from the NEPMans, that is, the new capitalists, and the party-state nomenclature. Stalin managed to drive the party and economic elite under a bench, put in a stall, if you want. The command and administrative system he created did not give her room for maneuver. Or are you working for the state or grace? We ask that snow be removed to Siberia, or even to the wall. That is why after the death of Stalin, the Soviet bureaucratic elite, an obligatory condition for membership in which was a party membership card, first secured itself by becoming uncontrolled by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the newly created KGB. In conditions when the entire system of governing the country was duplicated by the party apparatus, this was precisely the beginning of the collapse of the USSR. This was especially evident in the times that are now commonly called stagnation. The fact that under Stalin the official could pay with his head, it easily began to get away with it. There was a caste of untouchables. The Stalinist type of official, fearing everyone and everything, was transformed into a new type. A type that is not afraid of anything and has no interests other than its own. Power has become an exclusively tool for enrichment. Among other things, one of the hallmarks of small Soviet officials, just like before the collapse of the Russian Empire, was honoring. To Belarusand officials are struggling with lawlessness, although not Stalinist, but it can still be said by repressive methods. In Russia with the elite and insanity of officials who are too oblivious of the good of the state, although not always successfully, they are struggling with the help of high-profile trials And in Ukraine successfully realized what Stalin was afraid of and what he was fighting with - corporations consisting of new post-Soviet capitalists, state bureaucracy and vinaigrette of both of them appeared in the highest legislative body of the country.http: //from-ua.com/politics /050d669d08d1a.html
  4. +4
    26 December 2012 07: 53
    "In the current situation, when Historical Russia is divided into three Russian states: the Russian Federation, Belarus and Ukraine, it is imperative to begin to build a concept of the historical process of the Russian Orthodox civilization that is common for all our states ...

    And it seems that recently, obvious progress has begun in this direction.
    God forbid that these were not only sensations.
  5. fenix57
    +7
    26 December 2012 08: 13
    "THE UNION OF NON-TERMINAL REPUBLIC OF FREE BONDED FOREVER GREAT RUSSIA" - to life!
  6. +9
    26 December 2012 10: 19
    There are no such nationalities — Belarusians, Okraintsy, Tatars — these are all Russian People (Arias, Slavs).
    They have been trying to divide us since the time of the baptism of Rus, on a territorial basis, on the basis of Faith. They misinterpret the history for us. They came up with the Horde, they try to introduce the "Norman" theory, they say, the Russian People who built cities came to bonfires Norwegians and asked them to rule in Russia .... funny ...
    The Russian People had one Faith-Right, Glory Reveal, or rather it was a harmonious system of knowledge. And 49 letters-images of the Russian Language were to help us. Reforms of the language and interpretation of the faith divided the Russian People ...

    After all, our ancestors lived in childbirth (Konya). This is a certain (circle) community of Goys (People) united by their relatives, which includes adopted West (Wives) from Goys (People not relatives by blood)). So the Goyim lived according to Kon (moral and ethical attitudes given to a person by birth)) Wait, it sounds like this -Live honestly ...
    If a person violated these attitudes, CRIME some feature he was expelled for "Kon" and he automatically became FromGoy and had to live by The law outside the Family (con)) ...., that is, in modern language, only criminals should live according to the Law (adopted by the State Duma) ... it is here that our unwillingness to obey criminal laws lies ...
    If a person carried out moral and moral attitudes, lived, taught and helped other people, then everyone called him YOG (goy, vice versa)) the confessor and authority of the people, the foreman of the clan (kona).
    That's how you see everything, simply explaining the essence of our people and the complexity of power ... By the way, raise your head to the makovoks of the Temples of the goddess Makoshi, there you will see amazing Antenna symbols, some of them are called Crosses ....



    Here we see there the Sunite crescent, the Shiite bend, the Orthodox Cross with the Suit at the ends and symbolic swastikas of the sun. And ask the priest what the crescent at the base of the cross over the Orthodox church means. I think it’s unlikely that he will give you anything sensible. He will answer you, because they don’t give them this knowledge either ....
    That is, when All People once went to one Temple and prayed to their gods, though among them there was not a simple Guy named Christ, a certain essence of the YAGVE-God of the Jews, then no one knew about the Bible when such Temples were built. What speaks of a very young age of book-books))))

    However, they achieved the result by dividing us with boundaries and beliefs, having corrupted the Language and the Soul to some .......
    ... but not to everyone. Still alive among the Russians, the craving for the Russian World, having known Himself, we will save the rest from loan interest. Learn Russian Language there are answers to all your questions ....
    1. +4
      26 December 2012 10: 37
      Quote: Asgard
      Here we see there the Sunite crescent, the Shiite bend, the Orthodox Cross with the Suit at the ends and symbolic swastikas of the sun.

      Greetings to Vladimir. Where is this church located?
      1. +5
        26 December 2012 10: 47
        Dome cross over the Church of the Presentation of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Ryazan ....
        And with the swastika in the Yaroslavl region, I don’t remember what it is called there, in a small village, very elderly, a photograph of 1992
        1. gojesi
          +7
          26 December 2012 13: 15
          Quote: Asgard
          And with a swastika in the Yaroslavl region,

          "swastika" in Russian - KOLOVRAT.
          NEA-Universe, Beauty and
          TIKA - Point ...
          С- connecting union of CBA-S-TIKA
          1. +5
            27 December 2012 00: 53
            The swastika is one of the oldest solar (solar) signs, known since at least from the time when the Indo-Europeans were a single, undivided people. This is V - IV millennium BC. And even from Nostratic times.

            Indo-Europeans are a substitute like the notorious African-Americans, who are now bashfully using instead of the real name of this ancient people compromised by the Nazis. His self-name is Arya, Arias. In those days they were the most advanced people: they domesticated a horse, invented a wheel. The first to master iron and horseback riding. It is assumed that they developed agriculture and developed the main varieties of wheat and other agricultural plants. It is known that they were sun- and fire-worshipers.

            The Nazis decided to appropriate the ancient roots and extend the pedigree straight to the Aryans. Become Aryans in order to have the moral right to teach and build everyone. And therefore, the ancient solar sign of the Aryans - the swastika - was carried on their flag.

            That is, they did not invent it, but simply borrowed it.
            And now, thanks to them, we do not perceive the phrase "true Aryan" except as a joke. Scientists are embarrassed to engage in research into the history of the Aryans, so as not to be accused of neo-fascism, and even try not to recognize their name, using the African-American term "Indo-Europeans". And people steadily associate the swastika not with the ancient world heritage, but with the demoniac Fuhrer.

            But this is simply from a poor knowledge of history.
    2. gojesi
      +5
      26 December 2012 13: 12
      Quote: Asgard
      . Learn Russian Language there are answers to all your questions ....

      Why can’t you immediately put 10 pluses?
      1. +5
        26 December 2012 13: 57
        You can always put it to different People, take it to your account and I will be grateful, you need to support People. And please refrain from minuses ..... subtracting and dividing is not ours, not Russian .... Then the figure, regardless of the sign, is also worth our EGREGOR, and the minus feeds all kinds of "essences" - therefore zero is also a good mark ...

        By the way, and the Administration I would advise you to remove the minus in order not to be distracted by each other's grievances. Who agrees?! wink
        1. gojesi
          +3
          26 December 2012 14: 27
          Quote: Asgard
          Then the figure, regardless of the sign, is also worth our EGREGOR, and the minus feeds all "essences" - therefore zero is also a good score ...

          never tied their ratings to egregore ... interesting look :))) A new angle :)))
    3. gladiatorakz
      0
      26 December 2012 13: 30
      Quote: Asgard
      Here we see there the Sunite crescent, the Shiite bend, the Orthodox Cross with the Suit at the ends and symbolic swastikas of the sun. And ask the priest what the crescent at the base of the cross over the Orthodox church means. I think it’s unlikely that he will give you anything sensible. He will answer you, because they don’t give them this knowledge either ....

      Asgard all right! Only the cross was thousands of years before Christianity. Mean person. The lower crescent is a font or a cradle. The crossbeam is oblique below - three-dimensionality. The church just grabbed him. Like the word PravoSlavnaya.
    4. Horde
      +5
      26 December 2012 19: 10
      There is such a variant of the Russian alphabet, which is an acrophonic letter.

      I know the letters:
      Writing is an asset.
      Work hard, earthlings,
      As befits intelligent people -
      Comprehend the universe!
      Carry the word with conviction -
      Knowledge is a gift of God!
      Dare, delve into
      Realize the light to comprehend!
      (Message to the Slavs)



      http://www.rg.ru/anons/arc_2000/0908/hit.shtm
  7. +2
    26 December 2012 10: 43
    Quote: Asgard
    And ask the priest what the crescent at the base of the cross above the Orthodox church means. I think it’s unlikely that he will give you anything sensible. He will answer you, because they don’t give them this knowledge either


    You are not tired of the Orthodox Church frank crap. I am not a priest, and I know what the Crescent at the base of the Cross is. It is also called TSATA and means a lot - this is the cradle of Bethlehem, which received the Infant Christ. It is also the Eucharistic chalice in which the Body of Christ is located. The church ship and baptismal font are also the same.
    From Istoya, it is also known that Nicholas the Wonderworker wore the image of Tsata in his vestments.

    Let’s, if we don’t know something, we won’t be smart, okay?
    1. +3
      26 December 2012 11: 56
      I put you a plus, for attracting attention (and what else can a truly Russian person put))). But an attempt to explain the already existing Thing by priests-littered the brains of Russian People ...... (and those desperately minus their fellow tribesmen)))))
      Obviously, all these cradles and fonts, together with the anchors, are a poetic reflection of the fact itself, beautiful lyrics, singing the Divine. Life is always easier, and the appearance of persistent symbolism is always more prosaic. Note that we are talking only about Orthodox churches. On the Catholic and Protestant churches, the crescent is not placed in any form (therefore, all these cradles are clearly contrived). And this explains a lot. Why in Russia it exists and in the rest of the Christian world is absent .....
      Then think about Orthodoxy and Faith-as it sounds very much the same ...... Even more this proximity is noticeable among the Old Believers, that is, ancient Orthodoxy had many similarities with Islam. This may indicate that earlier, and not so long ago, it was a single religion. It is possible that its main symbol was a crescent moon with a star or the sun. Later, during the split, religious symbolism underwent changes: the Muslims had a crescent moon, and the Orthodox crescent moon with a cross. After all, it is known that the cross is also a simplified symbol of the sun. Then on the emblems of many cities there is a cross and a crescent moon, it was a single symbol .... Google the emblem of Konotop or Belozersk, there are probably others, I don’t remember from memory .... mariupol seems .... (but this is not accurate ))))

      Wait too lazy to write, and it's inconvenient from the phone, in the evening I will throw a photo of a cross with an inverted "tsatoy" - interesting, the priests will explain it that a baby was thrown out of the font))))

      Everything is not the way We imagine it ... Everything is simple (when you know it)) and everything is difficult when you don’t think, but listen to others ..... the established Zhidov's longing for vision ...

      Listen to me (listen to your heart) and you will be fine .....
    2. pioneer
      0
      26 December 2012 12: 17
      Quote: Magadan
      You are not tired of the Orthodox Church frank crap.


      Indeed, before answering, one must study the history and culture of one’s people. The faith of Russia before the forcible adoption of Christianity was called Orthodoxy. The initial symbols of Christianity are anchor, net and fish. The Romans used a T-shaped cross, to which the punished was tied, and not nailed. Christianity stole everything from other religions. After the split, the church began to be called the Orthodox, Eastern rite, Greek, but not Orthodox. It was only in Russia that the priests began to call her Orthodox. By the way, Catherine the Great gave the order to check the freemason Novikov for JUSTICE, and this is Islam. So that under one roof, representatives of different faiths prayed to Nikon.
    3. gojesi
      0
      26 December 2012 13: 20
      Quote: Magadan

      You are not tired of the Orthodox Church frank crap

      ARE YOU NOT TIRED TO BE CONDITIONALLY A BANDERLOG? It’s time to form, the time has come !!! Speak homeland? Love, speak? Well, just study the Motherland and love ... Having studied - argue and prove!
      After all, what is the essence of your fit! In the fact that you prove your desire and the RIGHT TO BE A JEWISH SLAVE both on earth and in life! And we do not want this.
    4. +2
      27 December 2012 00: 58
      Quote: Magadan
      .... The crescent at the base of the Cross. It is also called TSATA and means a lot - this is the cradle of Bethlehem, which received the Infant Christ. It is also the Eucharistic chalice in which the Body of Christ is located. The church ship and baptismal font are also the same. ....

      Precisely because "tsata" has so many interpretations, it is clear that all of these are later explanations, invented and far-fetched instead of the only one - the real one.
      1. gojesi
        +3
        27 December 2012 01: 10
        Quote: Skating rink
        far-fetched in return for one single - real

        and the present is the Lunar Cult of the Grays, (the cult of Smrti) Forcibly thrust into our, bright, sunny Slavic space by the Kashchei, instead of the Solar - the cult-RA (culture). And Islam and Christianity and Judaism, the essence of the "coin" heads, tails and Judaism fastening the "rib". Devil servants, moon worshipers, deathbringers!
  8. +1
    26 December 2012 12: 07
    Quote: Magadan
    I am not a priest, and I know what the Crescent at the base of the Cross is. It is also called TSATA and means a lot - this is the cradle of Bethlehem, which received the Infant Christ. It is also the Eucharistic chalice in which the Body of Christ is located. The church ship and baptismal font are also the same.

    Well, you see how good it is! But in the Cathedral of St. Sophia in Kiev, the floor is lined with mosaics, where the very symbols are depicted - a crescent moon, etc. Now this church was taken from the Moscow Patriarchate. So the "current" interpret simply - "Our religion tramples under its feet all other faiths - Catholics, Jews, Muslims. Vladimir chose Christianity, and then they portrayed it in the cathedral. Glory to Ukraine!"
    1. +2
      26 December 2012 12: 26
      Yes, Vladimir was still that little Jew. We need to monitor the purity of the family, maybe there would not be today's troubles. And the Russian people would live in harmony, and the mother of the Russian cities would not engage in prostitution with Nato and the European Union ...
      .-well, take me !!!!! well take anywhere ..... shouting "elites" of Ukraine ....
      1. gojesi
        +4
        26 December 2012 13: 26
        Quote: Asgard
        Yes, Vladimir was still that little Jew. It is necessary to monitor the purity of the family, maybe there would be no troubles of today

        Not knowing each other, but, I suppose, we ran along the same paths and studied at some universities :)))
        1. +2
          26 December 2012 13: 45
          hi fellow drinks soldier
          And I think that they meet me well in Finland))))
          By the way, I’m going on January 2 ... I will ski in my HAND ...
          1. gojesi
            +1
            26 December 2012 14: 31
            I would invite you for a long time, but on Friday they bring me a very sick person ... But there is a desire, I can drink a tea there, but anything - please! Address, phone - in PM :))) hi laughing
      2. gladiatorakz
        0
        26 December 2012 13: 51
        Quote: Asgard
        Yes, Vladimir was still that little Jew. We must monitor the purity of the family,

        The fratricide and traitor of the Native Faith in the Russian Orthodox Church!

        Quote: Asgard
        and the mother of Russian cities would not have been engaged in prostitution with Nato and the European Union ...
        .-well, take me !!!!! well take anywhere ..... shouting "elites" of Ukraine ....

        But I do not agree with this. 1. Far from everything, as information is provided in Russia. They distort, keep silent, shut up, comments prompting a favorable point of view .. After all, with different comments, the plot about the call of the US ship to Sevastopol and Vladivostok, Peter? About the Black Sea Fleet base and in Ulyanovsk? 2. I am sincerely sure we will unite RUSSIA !!! But I am also sure that this is possible only on the positions of love, respect, brotherhood and dignity !!!
        1. +1
          26 December 2012 14: 11
          Do not be offended, my perceptions of the world (I suspect the majority of the Russian people)) This is a disease of the "elite" prostitutes there. Do you think our people are satisfied with the rulers - they are called so - "Two iPhones", for the complete "controllability" and venality of the kagalu ...
          But what do you do, you have to go through THIS, Judah is happy everywhere - in power, in Tel-a-Vision, SMERD (Means of Mass Disinformation and Advertising)) in the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs ....

          A sort of "Gorbachev" .... one Old Man -Man .... a real Russian "One" ...
      3. OSTAP BENDER
        +8
        26 December 2012 16: 19
        Quote: Asgard
        well take anywhere ..... shouting "elites" of Ukraine ....

        They do not scream, but howl, and at the head of the pack of Jews, because most of them are in the Supreme Zrada! Nothing, their time has passed, the Slavic peoples will reunite in the future and the world will change, change for the better, it cannot be otherwise!
        HERE IS WHAT AUTHORITY UKRAINIAN !!!
        1. Igor Belov
          +7
          26 December 2012 16: 49
          Quote: OSTAP BENDER
          HERE IS WHAT AUTHORITY UKRAINIAN !!!

          But how are things with us ... Not a big difference, don’t you?
  9. gladiatorakz
    +5
    26 December 2012 13: 17
    "In the current situation, when Historical Russia is divided into three Russian states: the Russian Federation, Belarus and Ukraine"
    RUSSIA !!! divided into Russia, Ukraine, BelaRus.
  10. Ivan Mazyr
    +3
    26 December 2012 14: 50
    Even before the collapse of the USSR, I have repeatedly visited Ukraine in Lviv. Already in those days, Russians were called occupiers and openly hated us. Sometimes it was not easy for me to find a common language with the local population. In stores and in other public places I tried not to speak Russian at all. There was a case when a taxi driver dropped me off halfway from where I came from. But what can we say now when the country's power is in the hands of home-grown Nazis and pro-Russian propaganda is welcome there. My grandfather, who lived in the Lviv region, was oppressed by the local authorities in everything, it was hard to get any benefits, etc. Although he devoted his whole life to this country. After the war, he lifted the local collective farm from its knees, was chairman for almost twenty years. After retiring, he remained to work on the collective farm as the chief mechanic. And after the collapse of the USSR, it turned out that he was an Evian occupier. He was deprived of almost all the benefits and was almost forced into a grave. And there are thousands of people like him in Ukraine.
    And something needs to be done with this.
  11. +3
    26 December 2012 14: 51
    In history, rarely does something happen by chance. It is possible to unite (capture) by force, but it is hardly possible to create a strong state that has withstood revolutions, wars and maintained unity, if the peoples living in it do not want to live together. An example is Finland, the Baltic states. Well, come. Chatted in the composition. Gone. And God be with them.
    But speaking of the inevitable unification (not by the will of politicians, due to the natural attraction of peoples due to the commonality of history, culture, worldview, etc.
    You just need to understand that it is not possible to enter the river twice. And if history repeats itself, it is not always the way its participants would like.
  12. +3
    26 December 2012 15: 06
    = homosum20] it’s not possible to enter the river twice [
    But you can step on the rake an infinite number of times. It’s time for us to learn not to do this. ASSOCIATION there is no alternative.
    1. +3
      27 December 2012 01: 06
      Quote: dropout
      .... But you can step on the rake an infinite number of times. It's time for us to learn not to do this. ASSOCIATION there is no alternative. ....

      I agree with you, dear.
      Only here THESE will let us unite? !!!! http://uareview.com/pidpal-svoboda/

      Pure to you 1933, arson of the Reichstag - neither give nor take!

      The building near the Verkhovna Rada was set on fire by "svobodovtsy"

      On December 14, at about 13.00, a fire broke out on Institutskaya Street in Kiev, not far from the building of the Verkhovna Rada. The political party VO Svoboda claimed responsibility for the arson of the building. The corresponding statement was released on Friday by the party's press service.

      "We, clearly aware of all the consequences of the deed, declare that activists-deputies of our party Friday set fire to an apartment building, which is located at 15 \ 5 Institutskaya Street, "the press service said.

      Note folk deputies from the VO Liberty faction are inviolable.

      According to "svobodovtsev", this house was not chosen by chance.

      "The house is located not far from the Verkhovna Rada. And this is the first warning. We put an ultimatum - either Azarov and all the people's deputies in the Rada speak Ukrainian, or this circus [Verkhovna Rada - UaReview] will burn along with all its regional clowns," they said in "Freedom".

      People's Deputy from VO "Svoboda" Andrei Mokhnik, in a commentary to our publication, hinted that The ideological inspirer of the arson was Irina Farion.

      We will remind, earlier Farion, referring to Azarov, said: "The language does not know either politically biased, or mentally retarded. In what coordinate system are you?"

      Ekaterina Zagrebelnaya specially for UaReview.



      .... the Nazis are bad.
  13. Ivan Mazyr
    +2
    26 December 2012 15: 24
    Quote: Asgard
    This proximity is even more noticeable among the Old Believers, that is, ancient Orthodoxy had many similarities with Islam.


    There was one period in my life when I lived with the Old Believers, those whose faith and rituals have been preserved since Catherine’s times. There is nothing to do with Islam and the old faith. Neither rites nor symbolism are even close or similar.
    1. pioneer
      +1
      26 December 2012 16: 17
      Quote: Ivan Mazyr
      There was one period in my life when I lived with the Old Believers, those whose faith and rituals have been preserved since Catherine’s times


      Do not confuse the Old Believers with whom you came into contact with the Old Believers. The Old Believers still pray in remembrance of the gods: Rule, Jav, Perun, Svyatovit, Veles ... (see V.A. Shemshuk. Rus Boreyskaya. - M., 2001. P. 91). The author wrote prayers in Altai in the late 90s.
      1. Oidsoldier
        0
        26 December 2012 18: 03
        Old Believers and Old Believers are synonyms. Gentiles pray to various gods. The Russian people have many enemies and the methods of yorking with it are different. One of them is to get rid of Christianity and replace it with something else. The communists tried to replace with communism. They achieved some success. Atheists are not few. Now they are trying to impose paganism (kinship). If you take a sober look at history, thanks to the Orthodox faith it was possible to consolidate people to collect Russian lands and build a power in one sixth of the land. What are the assets of alternative beliefs?
        1. gojesi
          +3
          26 December 2012 22: 51
          Quote: Oidsoldier
          Old Believers and Old Believers are synonyms.

          Before you make such serious statements, you need to be educated!
          OLD WOMEN, these are the CHRISTIANS who adhered to the old Donikon rite, two-toed, old unwritten books, and so on ...
          OLD OLDERS - those who adhered to the Old, Pre-Christian, pre-Greek, Faith (VERA VEADU-RA)
  14. boris.radevitch
    0
    26 December 2012 15: 26
    Well done deputies a very good law Dima Yakovlev foam in the ass
    know our senate! tongue tongue tongue
  15. stasuk
    +3
    26 December 2012 16: 09
    The American people themselves have nothing to do with it! A bunch of Jewish bankers put and overthrow the presidents, and it is not at all profitable for them to Russia-Belarus-Ukraine be together !!!
  16. 0
    26 December 2012 16: 33
    If you think about it, then why if there is an idea of ​​pan-Turkism, the idea of ​​pan-Russianism cannot exist. It can very well. But again, comprehensive state support is needed. including ideological, which in turn is part of public policy.
  17. +4
    26 December 2012 17: 07
    Meanwhile, in Belarus, from year to year, there are fewer and fewer people who support the unification into a single union with Russia. If in the 90s there were about 80% of them, now it is less than 50. Time is running out, and we are sharing all the gas and oil. Everything seems to be more expensive, cheaper to snatch. We shake out our own "to zero", and we pump everything that we have received into foreign assets. This is normal?
    1. xan
      -1
      27 December 2012 12: 07
      wbigfire,
      with those. who is being pumped into the wicked Western assets, sooner or later we will have to figure it out. But this does not mean that one should invest in "ours". you still have to figure out what kind of people you are. You need a union of equals, i.e. be able to get out of it on occasion. Why do Russians need this? It is more correct to invest in what will happen to you in shit and in gold, and in victory and defeat. I do not believe in Belarusians and Ukrainians, some clever ones.
  18. +3
    26 December 2012 21: 53
    An interesting topic, about Faith (PravoSlaviya and Pravoveriya)) and about the Russian Language I'll try to write a "cool" article for the New Year's weekend. This knowledge is needed by People, I am certainly surprised that much of the History of the Great Russian People and Slavs (by religion)) should not be confused with nationality - unknown to the vast majority of citizens of our country-territory ...

    After all, we've been living our whole life on earth given to us by right of birth, we just united as people, and did not conquer territories like cannibals ..... never smuggled pox blankets to Indians (aborigines), didn’t exterminate them on the grounds of Faith and did not force nations betray their gods.

    We ourselves are like God. And always only praise them and ask nothing.
    We do not blaspheme Faith and error, we teach and educate, build and raise Culture by cultivating the habits and ways of peoples - allies.

    We missed the Jews ..... (of course, Well, fix it)) the Anglo-Saxons also worked out, it will take a long time to fix them ...... maybe it’s worth the wait, when they destroy themselves (everything goes to that )))
    Need to see .......
    I will try to publish numbers 10 if Syria does not get ahead of me? .....
    With the upcoming New Gad, ugh You Year .... (wrong not specifically, but to the point))))

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