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War Lists: Putin - in the "Magnitsky Act"!

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The Cold War received its continuation in the form of confrontation lists. Or confrontation lists, whatever. Americans are “an act of Magnitsky” to us, we are “the law of Dima Yakovlev” to them. They are Putin to us in the “act” (yes, there is such a civil initiative), we are Obama to the “law” (no, our deputies have not yet made such a decision, but generally hot heads serve in our State Duma).

War Lists: Putin - in the "Magnitsky Act"!


December 6 US Senate spent voting on the law on the normalization of trade relations with Russia and Moldova, of which "Magnitsky law" (HR6156 Russia and Moldova) and the Magnitsky Rule of Law and the Magnitsky Act of Accountability. 2012 senator voted for this law, 92 voted against. The same decision abolished the Jackson-Vanik amendment in respect of Russia.

Democratic Sen. Ben Cardin stated during the discussion:

“It has now become clear that violators of human rights can no longer visit the United States and use our banking system. This law creates an international precedent. ”


And the famous Republican senator John McCain, a veteran of the Vietnamese war, spoke:

“I am sure that this is not an anti-Russian, but a pro-Russian law. This law was adopted in the interests of the people of Russia, which deserves a much better share. ”


Finally, Mr. Obama said that America will continue to work on building democracy in Russia:

"My administration will continue to work with the Congress and our partners in supporting those who work for a free and democratic future for Russia, who support the rule of law and respect for human rights throughout the world."


Our Ministry of Foreign Affairs is also not silent.

Russia, in response to the “Magnitsky law”, will close the entry to the Americans, who are really guilty of human rights violations, said Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. is he noticed:

"At the meeting with Clinton, I confirmed that we will also close the entry to the Americans, who are really guilty of violating human rights."


Earlier on the Russian response to the Americans claimed Head of the State Duma Committee on International Affairs Alexei Pushkov:

"In response to the so-called hard version of the" Magnitsky law, "which was adopted by the US Senate, Russia at the legislative level can also respond by adopting the relevant law."


According to him, two versions of the document are possible. The first option is the adoption of amendments to the already existing law “On the procedure for leaving the Russian Federation and entering the Russian Federation”, restricting the entry of foreign citizens to Russia, including US citizens who are found to violate the rights of Russian citizens abroad. “These amendments were formulated last June and made by representatives of all factions. Currently they are on the committee on constitutional legislation and state construction, ”he recalled. Pushkov also noted that "under these amendments, the accounts of these persons in Russian banks and their foreign branches can also be arrested, and an embargo on their transactions with property and investments can be imposed."

The second option is to expand the scope of this bill and extend it to those US citizens who participated in massive and established violations of human rights outside the United States, namely in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and other countries. Pushkov also mentioned the US military base in Guantanamo (Cuba), the secret prisons of the CIA in Europe and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

Pushkov, however, did not specify what to do with the arrival in Russia of Barack Obama, who was recently invited by Comrade Putin. After all, if you start a scary list with someone, so be it. He did not close the prison at Guantanamo, although he promised to do this before the 2008 elections of the year, and Mr. Libyan president pushed into Libya without asking permission from Congress.

The head of the Duma committee and the minister promised - and they did. Our, you know, words to the wind do not throw. True, our lawmakers came to the problem from the other end.

December 21 with. The Russian Duma adopted in the third reading "The law of Dima Yakovlev," he is "anti-magnetic." This document prohibits the adoption of Russian children by citizens of the United States, and at the same time tightens the requirements for the so-called. "Political" non-profit organizations. "The law of Dima Yakovlev" was adopted by our hot heads almost unanimously: "for" - 420 deputies, "against" - 8, abstained - 1. This week, the “anti-magnetic law” will be considered by the Federation Council. And there is a deal signed by the president.

Negative responses to this event both from the West and from Russia followed.

Approval of the “law of Dima Yakovlev” by the so-called “representatives of the people” from the State Duma, “trained over 12 years to give the Kremlin’s wishes the legal framework” пишет Elke Windisch of the German edition of Tagesspiegel, turned not only Russian human rights activists and progressive intellectuals, but also high-ranking officials and the media against the deputies and Vladimir Putin.

As a response to this maxim, we can cite the words of S. Lavrov, told to 22 journalists in December and published in "Forbes Russia":

“If you think that the State Duma is somehow independent in its actions, you are mistaken. There really exists an opinion that has prevailed at the moment. Don't ask why. ”


Meanwhile, Comrade Lavrov himself, as reported by the same journal, twice opposed the ban. In his opinion, such a law denounces the “Agreement on Cooperation in the Field of International Adoption,” signed by Russia and the United States, and will deprive us of consular access to children who have already been adopted.

In an interview with the TV channel “Euronews”, which appeared on the site of the Foreign Ministry 20 December, S. Lavrov сказал:

“I don’t think we should prohibit American families adopting Russian children.”


And earlier, on December 18, the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry said:

"This is wrong, and I am sure that in the end the State Duma will make an informed decision."


The Minister of Education Dmitry Livanov and Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets also spoke out against the amendments.

As for President Putin, he supported the idea of ​​banning Americans from adopting Russian children.

During the big December 20 press conference, Vladimir Putin saidthat the answer of the State Duma deputies to the “Magnitsky Act” adopted in the USA is emotional, but adequate:

"I understand that this is such an emotional response from the State Duma, but I think that it is adequate."


According to the Russian president, the adoption in the US of the “Magnitsky Act” is “an outrageous thing, not provoked by us from anything”. Comrade Putin stressed:

“The point is absolutely not in the officials, but in the fact that one anti-Russian law was replaced by another. Can not (US) without it. Everyone is trying to stay in the past. This is very bad".


As V. Putin noted, “we need to stimulate the transfer to the families of our children left without parents.”

The president added that the law prohibiting adoption is not a reaction to the activities of adopters from the United States, but to the position of the American authorities who do not react to the violation of the rights of children adopted in Russia.

The Presidential Human Rights Council (HRC) decided to ask the Federation Council not to approve the “anti-magnetic law”. And the stumbling block was just the point prohibiting the adoption of Russian orphans by Americans. About it said December 24 head of the HRC Mikhail Fedotov, promising to make and send to the Federation Council an appropriate conclusion.

From the “anti-magnet law”, in his opinion, it is necessary to remove the “unacceptable amendments” - a ban on the adoption of Russian children by Americans:

“Many ethical and legal arguments are pushing us towards this ... Article 6 of the Russian law states that it applies to citizens of states that will pass laws similar to the Magnitsky Act. It turns out that if, for example, France, Italy, Germany and the United Kingdom support the American initiative, then automatically Russian orphans cannot be adopted by citizens of these countries. But after all, with respect to these countries, we have never had any complaints regarding the care of children. It turns out that the children, our children, are a bargaining chip in political games. According to the Council, this is unacceptable. ”


The West immediately spotted such a contradictory reaction to the Russian “top” - no, do not think, not a manifestation of the consciousness and will of civil society - but ... a split of the elite. For example, Artem Krechetnikov ("BBC") calls the controversy about the new bill the second December event, which testifies "to the deepening of disagreements within the Russian ruling class." And the first event is the “Serdyukov affair”.

By the way, the editorial board of Novaya Gazeta - also quite in the spirit of a developed civil society - was able to assemble and transfer to parliamentarians more than 100 thousands of signatures of citizens who were sent, so let me put it this way, readers, against the law against the law.

And State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin, before voting on the bill in the third reading, asked Vladimir Pligin, chairman of the committee on constitutional legislation and state-building, to consider citizens' appeals and inform deputies.

So the game in the spirit of the Cold War has begun. The positive decision of the State Duma was immediately followed by a new negative move by the American side. This time - unofficial. Citizens joined the senators and the government.

The activists decided that it was time for the authorities of the country to add to the “Magnitsky list”, which is very convenient because it can infinitely be corrected and supplemented, by those Russian parliamentarians who supported “the law of Dima Yakovlev”. It can be noted that, with few exceptions, if only the White House wishes to react to the petition on the e-government website, the entire composition of the State Duma of Russia will be included in the sanctions list.

Petition text reads:

"We, the undersigned,

- we recognize the adoption of the “Sergey Magnitsky Act” from 2012 of the year ... a deeply pro-Russian step that will help Russian citizens to bring to justice those involved in corruption and human rights violations;

- outraged by the actions of the Russian legislators, who overstepped all imaginable boundaries of humanity, responsibility or common sense and decided to endanger the lives and well-being of thousands of Russian orphans, some of whom are sick and disabled, can now lose their chances of survival if intercountry adoption will take effect;

- we urge the administration (USA) to identify the persons who participated in the adoption of the legislative act of the persons and determine the responsibility towards them in accordance with the “Magnitsky Law”, that is, include them in the appropriate list ”.


The number of signatures on the petition is growing rapidly; it exceeded 50 thousands. For the White House administration to respond to the petition, it must collect at least 25.000 votes. Thus, Barack Obama will have to give citizens some kind of answer. By the way, the document was signed not by John, Mary and Jacob, but more and more by Paul, Grigorii, Ivan, Michael, Andrei, Alexandra, Evgenii and other Yurii.

Another petition on the same site of “electronic government”, also signed by Russian names, urges The White House to recognize "the law of Dima Yakovlev" "inhumane":

“To recognize“ the law of Dima Yakovlev ”(186614-6) as harmful and inhuman, to expand the“ Magnitsky act ”by listing its supporters in the Russian Duma.

21 December 2012, the Russian Duma adopted the Federal Law 186614-6, which prohibits the adoption of Russian orphans in the United States, and also deprives Russian human rights defenders of the opportunity to cooperate with their American colleagues.

This law was prepared in response to the “Magnitsky Act”, and was preceded by a smear campaign against the rehabilitation of orphans and the protection of human rights in the world.

We urge our political leaders to at least speak out against this, primarily anti-humane, act and make it clear that acts of ideological revenge have no place on the international political arena.

We also ask that the “Magnitsky Act” be extended to supporters of this law in the Russian Duma. ”


Thus, this petition meaningfully partially duplicates the previous one. The petition gathered more than seven thousand signatures. By the way, the signatories of Russian origin are also noted here: Tatiana, Sergey, Oksana, Vadim, Alexey, Maria, Vera, Mikhail ...

Journalists Interfax summed up the reaction to a variety of civil petitions of the Russian side.

This reaction was, it must be noted preparing to respond to America’s response preparation.

Vyacheslav Nikonov, first deputy foreign affairs committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, believes that the idea of ​​including State Duma deputies in the “Magnitsky list” will not remain without Moscow’s response:

“The reaction to this idea can only be negative. If this really comes to that, then a symmetrical answer will follow. ”


And the head of the Duma’s international affairs committee, Alexei Pushkov, sees no legal grounds for Washington to satisfy the petition request:

“The administration of the President of the United States has no legal grounds for satisfying the demand of this petition, since the“ Magnitsky Act ”adopted by the Americans does not imply any sanctions in response to the ban on adopting Russian orphans by Americans.”


Pushkov also noted that relations between Moscow and Washington could become seriously complicated, “if under some other pretext the White House decides to include State Duma deputies in the so-called Magnitsky list.”

Human rights activist Lyudmila Alekseeva, of course, supports the American civil initiative:

“We have a cannibalistic law. Our deputies have already turned out to get into the “Magnitsky Act”, and they understand that. ”


Head of the HRC Mikhail Fedotov saidthat he considers harmful the initiative in the US to include in the American “black list” Russian deputies who voted for the “anti-magnetic law”:

“There is no need to increase confrontation. We must not inflate anti-American and anti-Russian hysteria, but stop in time and take a half step back. ”


Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Construction Dmitry Vyatkin считаетthat the American side is making efforts to escalate tensions between the two countries:

“If they establish restrictions on the entry of State Duma deputies or members of the Council of the Federation, it means that the ban on entry (in the Russian Federation) of members of Congress will be the retaliatory step. This scandal is very, very serious, and most importantly - it is absolutely meaningless. From their side, it’s such a safe cold war, and it’s nothing good in a relationship. ”


Musician A. Makarevich wrote V. Putin is a new open letter:

“... Yes, it is unpleasant when they try to humiliate your country. Yes, it is a shame that this country today is not able to solve the problem of orphans. But you know perfectly well that according to the agreement, the Americans could adopt only those children who our citizens refused to adopt. And you know why - we are talking about children with severe hereditary diseases (I doubt that the overwhelming majority of Russians, who, as you said, support the Duma law, know about this). Today our country cannot cure these children. America can. By its decree, the Duma practically deprives these children of the right to life. Children's lives - an unacceptable exchangeable card in political games.

Yes, of course we must deal with this problem ourselves. And a long time ago. But from the beautiful words spoken from the podium, nothing will change tomorrow, and you also understand this very well - there are no miracles. Stimulate adoptive parents with money? For money, the love of a sick child can not be bought.

Vladimir Vladimirovich, hundreds of sick children will most likely die due to this law. Their deaths will be a grave sin on the souls of the deputies who voted “for” (if they still have souls left). And to your soul, Vladimir Vladimirovich ... "


Mikhail Prokhorov, who probably could not miss the chance to raise a sluggish political rating, came up with a business initiative. Businessman He pledged to encourage 50 thousands of dollars in every family that adopted a child who will suffer after the adoption of the “law of Dima Yakovlev”. The monetary decision was made at a meeting of the governing body of the Civil Platform Party. According to Prokhorov himself, we are talking about 46 Russian orphans.

"We are ready to allocate for 50 thousands of dollars to each family that will take this child," Prokhorov said during a party press conference.


He called the reaction of the deputies to the adoption of the “Magnitsky Act” in the USA “absolutely immoral,” but he noted that it was not too late to find a “reasonable compromise”.

Learning about the Russian preparation for the next response, American activists immediately wrote A new petition: on the introduction of V. V. Putin into the “Magnitsky list”.

Her текст can serve as an illustration to the aphorism "Brevity - the sister of talent":

“Add Putin to Magnitsky’s list if he supports the“ anti-magnetic law. ”

The Russian President will consider the “anti-magnetic act” after approval by the Federation Council.

We want Mr. Obama to impose sanctions on Mr. Putin if he signs this law. ”


Among the signatories, approximately as in the previous petition, appear Stanislav, Nikolay, Elena, Yuri, Valery and Ivan. Not only here noted someone “Putin Hui P” (signed # 8207, or Signature # 8,207). Also under the document is the signature of Mr. F. Pupkin (pupkin F, perdjzevka). Total signatures - more than eight thousand, their number is growing rapidly.

Thus, when signing all three petitions, either Russian émigrés, residents of the United States, or mischievous from Russia, the great enemies of comrade Putin, are active. Thanks to their signatures, we will soon find out how many such enemies there are. Comrade Putin will also recognize this ...

They are also found under petitions of signatures from “truth-bearers”, who were shy of stating their name.

It is highly doubtful that the White House began to consider such “expressions of will” as something serious.

The appearance of all sorts of "anti-magnetic" petitions of our legislators will not frighten. The Federation Council said that the appearance of a petition on the US e-government site would not affect their decision on the "anti-magnetic law." Russian senators will begin its consideration on December 26.

Vice Speaker of the Federation Council Svetlana Orlova says:

“Do not scare us, no one is afraid. We will vote according to truth and conscience and support this law ... Bargaining with Russia is inappropriate, we are not in the first grade of school, we are for the protection of the rights of our citizens abroad. Let them include us wherever they want, but the whole world has already outgrown it. ”


Pavel Astakhov, authorized by the President of the Russian Federation on the rights of the child, says that foreign adoption is practiced by the countries of the “third world,” namely, those who cannot feed their children. Among these “third world” countries, he calls China: after all, there exists a direct prohibition on having a family more than one child. America often takes Chinese children.

After China, in second place - Guatemala. So it was until 2009 year. It was from this year that Guatemala refused to give its children to America. What is the reason? The fact is that in 2008, several Guatemalan children were killed in adoptive American families. And Guatemala, says Astakhov, has stopped giving away children to America.

Now in second place on the impact of children in the United States - Ethiopia.

Who is in third place? - Russia…

“There is a persistent myth that foreigners save us because they take sick, unhappy children, they undergo surgery and cure them. People who spread such a myth are either ignorant or directly interested in foreign adoptions going on.

The ignorance lies in the fact that over the past three years (I can answer for this period, which I work as an ombudsman for the President’s children) foreigners have taken in Russia 72% of all children taken out. These are children from 0 to 6 years, absolutely healthy.

If we talk about disabled children, please: 2011 year. The Americans, who in the 2011 year brought almost 1000 children out of Russia, took the disabled child from 44. Is it a lot or a little? This is about 5%. This means that the Russians have adopted for the same year 188 children with disabilities in foster families. That is, even here we see that Russian citizens, it turns out, are taking more disabled children than Americans. ”


In Russia, Astakhov notes, today all high-tech operations for orphans are being done - without any queues.



By the way, the official certificate. According to the Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation, US citizens more often than other foreigners adopt children from Russia. Only in 2011 to America set off 956 of 3400 adopted children abroad; total 89 of them are disabled. In all, about 1996 of thousands of Russian children were adopted in the USA since 60 in the USA, 19 of them died, including the fault of their parents.

Russians adopt disabled children three times more, said columnist "But" D. Lyskov than all foreigners combined, and in 6,5 times more than the Americans. The top five leaders in the number of adoptions from Russia: USA, Spain, Italy, France, Germany. In the United States over the past ten years, 19 adopted children died and at least 20 was placed by foster parents in a special closed boarding school. Many children were “assigned” to other families. There are cases of torture, bullying, and sexual abuse. It is in the USA, and it is not in Spain, Italy, France, Germany. And this, the journalist notes, is only information about cases that have reached the court.

About methods of educating difficult children by Americans briefly and clearly сказал Founder of the Institute of Scientific Medicine, psychologist Gene Mercer:

“The idea is that being without parental care brings about rage and anger in the child, and you need to drive them out with rage and anger. Part of the theory is that the child should feel the need. For example, he does not eat well. It is necessary to create conditions when he will need food. Simply put, starve. ”


No one at VO will believe, if you write: Russian conditions are ideal, and this is for Russia, not for America, it's time to gather children from all over the world. Not. This is not the reason for adopting “answers” ​​to laws. But is this a reason to falsify the situation? The United States has long been a standard of "democracy" (I wonder what? Athenian?), Neither a guardian of rights and freedoms, nor - God forbid - an advanced children's educator. And were they? However, yes, they were - in their own hegemonic imagination.

America even in western ratings prosperity and democracy moves down - and soon it will be next door to the very Russia with which it is leading a new cold war.

It is not necessary to link the “Magnitsky Act” and the emigrant-Russian petitions that followed it, which multiplied on the US e-government website, with the “Dima Yakovlev law”. But it’s time to stop living according to the perestroika pattern and to firmly believe in what’s perfect is theirs and bad is ours. Remember: well where we are not? So: we have nothing to do in America. Neither us nor our children. Let them be good, I have nothing against. But - without us.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. volcano
    volcano 25 December 2012 08: 35
    +2
    All this is like a confrontation with LIST.
    1. lechatormosis
      lechatormosis 25 December 2012 08: 44
      0
      gentlemen, imagine that a CHILD FROM RUSSIA will fall through third hands to THESE .... Ugh Gav ... YUKAM.
      1. Deniska999
        Deniska999 25 December 2012 08: 54
        -11
        I was sick of this photo. What a dirty trick.
        1. NKVD
          NKVD 25 December 2012 12: 39
          +13
          Quote: Deniska999
          I was sick of this photo

          Look at your photo you puke yet!
          1. Kostyar
            Kostyar 25 December 2012 16: 15
            -12
            and you on your own, I vomited !!!
          2. Deniska999
            Deniska999 25 December 2012 18: 22
            -5
            This is at least a Roman emperor, not two gay men
      2. Hon
        Hon 25 December 2012 09: 01
        -37
        And what awaits a child in Russia? You are aware that children with disabilities left without parental care are sent to a boarding school for the disabled, where they do not live but exist. And by the way, these pedruchs in the photo cause me much less disgust than our deputies, who cynically made the bargaining chip of the fate of children, depriving them of a chance for a normal life. Truly cannibals !!! By the way, US citizens adopt children from Russia for ten years, during this time 19 children died, in Russia these figures are much higher.
        1. lechatormosis
          lechatormosis 25 December 2012 09: 13
          +52
          And what awaits children in the USA
          another failure of an unsuccessful mother
          or another PAPA will cook the child in the car
          or another dousing with cold water for educational purposes
          400 children without parents in the USA
          That our children were smeared with honey chtoli if the Americans are so eager to adopt them, no. I think that there is an undercover struggle for the opportunity to SELL OUR CHILDREN IN ANY FREEDOM.
          Why in the STATES they gently punish and sometimes do not punish them at all
          KILLER of children from RUSSIA.
          Why representatives of RUSSIA are not allowed to children adopted in the USA
          mass of WHY
          I am categorically against and once again against similar adoptions by AMERICANS of CHILDREN FROM RUSSIA.
          1. Atlon
            Atlon 25 December 2012 09: 26
            +30
            Quote: lehatormoz
            mass of WHY

            For all your reasons, there is only one answer: “Russian children are children of the second or even third grade. Under the second in the United States, all sorts of“ colored ”probably still pass. Accordingly, soft sentences, and everything else.
            Well, as for the opinion of the traitors (because there is no other way to name the émigré offspring), I don’t think that it should worry us. And yet ... If these are the first flowers in the restoration of the "Iron Curtain", I am behind both hands !!!
            1. Hon
              Hon 25 December 2012 10: 06
              -34
              Quote: Atlon
              “Russian children are second or even third grade children.

              Have you personally divided children into grades in the USA? Where did you get such awareness of the country you have never been to ?!
              Quote: Atlon
              these are the first flowers in the restoration of the "iron curtain", I am behind both hands !!!

              Buy yourself a summer house, enclose it with an iron fence and don’t get out of there, I’m not the property of this state !!! And no one is allowed to decide for me where to live, where to go, and what information to receive!
              1. Viking
                Viking 25 December 2012 10: 38
                +18
                Quote: Hon
                I am not the property of this state

                What "this"? Which normal people call not "this state" but simply Russia? With such an attitude, your dear indeed, to Bolotnaya, and beyond the cordon ...
                1. Hon
                  Hon 25 December 2012 10: 43
                  -30
                  Russia is something more for me, I specifically meant the state, that's why I wrote "state"
                2. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 25 December 2012 11: 25
                  +8
                  Quote: Viking
                  What "this"? Which normal people call not "this state" but simply Russia?


                  Well, even here I found confirmation of my post. Viking +
              2. Atlon
                Atlon 25 December 2012 10: 48
                +19
                Quote: Hon
                Have you personally divided children into grades in the USA? Where did you get such awareness of the country you have never been to ?!

                To paraphrase you: "Why is there such awareness that I have not been there?" laughing

                Quote: Hon
                Buy yourself a summer house, enclose it with an iron fence and don’t get out of there, I’m not the property of this state !!! And no one is allowed to decide for me where to live, where to go, and what information to receive!

                I will decide what to buy without you. I don't need to poke, Hamlo! "This" state is all of us. And if you don't like something, no one holds it! Go nah get out! tongue
                1. Hon
                  Hon 25 December 2012 11: 11
                  -18
                  Quote: Atlon
                  To paraphrase you: "Why is there such awareness that I have not been there?

                  Yes, and more than once.
                  Quote: Atlon
                  And if you don’t like something, nobody holds it! Gow nah!

                  And I'm not going to ask you where I live !!! You don’t like what’s going on in Russia then go ahead and I’ll stay and try to fix what I don’t like !!!
                  1. Ustas
                    Ustas 25 December 2012 13: 57
                    +20
                    Quote: Hon
                    but I will stay and try to fix what I don’t like !!!

                    And do you think you will succeed if you consider that the majority of the site has an opposite opinion from you, which means that the majority in Russia do not want what you like. So be careful with the attempts to fix it. You can run into.
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 25 December 2012 15: 05
                      -6
                      Have you already answered for the majority of Russians ?! I do not like corruption. I don’t like it when real officers are mixed with mud, and parquet generals buy foam plastic bulletproof vests for soldiers who easily break through even from PM. I do not like it when the generals, showing their complete incompetence, indiscriminately scam our technology. I don’t like when successes are constantly being declared which actually are not. I don’t like that Russia has not carried out a single successful reform. I don't like grandmothers in the streets asking for alms and collecting bottles. I do not like that Tsepovyaz is sentenced to a fine of TR 200 for harboring the killer of children. By the way, both he and Tsapok are members of the ruling party. I don’t like when the president does not know anything about the stolen billions, and the one who stole suffers in his 14 room apartment, because he cannot take communion. You obviously like it all and you don't want to change anything.
                      1. Don
                        Don 25 December 2012 15: 11
                        +7
                        Quote: Hon
                        Have you already answered for the majority of Russians ?! I do not like corruption. You obviously like it. I don’t like it when real officers are mixed with mud, and parquet generals buy foam plastic bulletproof vests for soldiers who easily break through even from PM. I do not like it when the generals, showing their complete incompetence, indiscriminately scam our technology. I don’t like when successes are constantly being declared which actually are not. I don’t like that Russia has not carried out a single successful reform. I don't like grandmothers in the streets asking for alms and collecting bottles. I do not like that Tsepovyaz is sentenced to a fine of TR 200 for harboring the killer of children. By the way, both he and Tsapok are members of the ruling party. I don’t like when the president does not know anything about the stolen billions, and the one who stole suffers in his 14 room apartment, because he cannot take communion.

                        It’s just funny to read these so-called facts. Another swamp.
                      2. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 15: 26
                        -6
                        Already far from alone!
                      3. Viking
                        Viking 25 December 2012 16: 52
                        +9
                        Quote: Hon
                        Already far from alone!

                        But from the swamp of one. Who only know how to look for flaws and problems (which God sees for a lot) and extol them all over the world, stubbornly not noticing nothing good happening in "this state" (in your swamp slang). And if something big and good happens that only grit your teeth with hatred ..... Judas, one word.
                      4. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 17: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Viking
                        stubbornly not noticing nothing good happening in "this state"

                        Yes, we all notice, and the fact that people in the swamp is also a change for the better, in fact, for two reasons.
                        1. People care;
                        2. People here are able to organize themselves.
                        After all, people came to the marsh not to support certain politicians, but because they got outrage. When different Nemtsovs, Ryzhkovs and Khakamads approached the microphone, there was a whistle and a buzz, it was not because of them that they came ...
                        For example, Mercedes, an employee of the CIS Prosecutor General’s Council, Zamir Abdulkerimov, knocked the girl to death and did not even slow down, calmly drove on his business further. This incident was recorded on the camera of the DVR, moreover, the driver who removed this caught up with the culprit and was even able to talk to him. Imagine tomorrow a similar Mercedes will knock down your child and drive on, and you say the main thing is to notice the good in our country!
                      5. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 18: 00
                        +3
                        By the way, look on the Internet for "an employee of the prosecutor's office knocked down a girl and disappeared", otherwise this case was hushed up, so at least we will know our "heroes".
                      6. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 18: 22
                        -1
                        And what a minus is that ?! Just look, or is it a shame for the prosecutor ?!
                      7. El13
                        El13 27 December 2012 12: 52
                        0
                        Why are you groaning on these occasions, are we now discussing something else, or are they all the same why, just to moan? There are people who objectively introduce another point of view - these are useful people, but they do it on business and in time. I also gave you a couple of pluses - the person has a different look, he’s not afraid to defend him, but Ostap suffered and everything became clear ...
                      8. Hon
                        Hon 27 December 2012 13: 24
                        0
                        I’m generally talking about the cons of one specific comment, it’s not clear from which hangover. For the rest of the minuses I do not care.
                      9. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: Hon
                        but because I got a lawlessness

                        Have you gotten down from the bunkers for a long time?
                      10. Piligrim
                        Piligrim 29 December 2012 23: 14
                        0
                        Give the viking a list of good !!! We'll see and discuss here.
                        Just don’t try to bring Putin here from the press conference. Will not pass!
                      11. Don
                        Don 25 December 2012 17: 14
                        +6
                        Quote: Hon
                        Already far from alone!

                        Fine, fine. You don’t worry so much. You are a little more. But for a change, read the articles about you by the opposition on this site. Read what people think about you, what they want to do with you, re-Valuators. And about the nonsense that you wrote above, then you are either blind or not smart, if you do not see the economic and political leap that the Russian Federation has made over the past 12 years, under whose president you do not like that.
                      12. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 17: 53
                        -4
                        In Russia, for the majority of the population in general, there are enough of their own worries about the marshes and their opponents. Consider an indicator of this site? Take a look at the comments on the Mayl news, the impression that the country is all marsh.
                      13. Don
                        Don 25 December 2012 18: 35
                        +5
                        Quote: Hon
                        Consider an indicator of this site?

                        Yes. Here, by the way, there are also opponents of Putin, but at the same time they are not satisfied with swamp clowning. And I do not take other opposition sites as an example. But it’s not the sites that form my point of view, but the people with whom I communicate. For example, my relatives in Moscow and Volgograd, as well as people from Chelyabinsk, Novotroitsk, Vidnoye and other cities where I have been on business trips.
                      14. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 18: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Don
                        Here, by the way, there are also opponents of Putin

                        And I, too, became his adversary only a few years ago, because I also liked the changes taking place in the country, and how the public service visited the opinion began to change. By the way, in FAGR, most employees are officers, many are combat officers, and they also influenced my opinion.
                      15. Piligrim
                        Piligrim 29 December 2012 23: 17
                        +1
                        Well, what then are you all who do not support the current Duma, do you write the preza immediately in the swamp ??? what
                      16. Viking
                        Viking 25 December 2012 18: 03
                        +5
                        Quote: Don
                        then you are either blind or not smart, if you don’t see the economic and political leap that the Russian Federation has made over the past 12 years, under whose president you do not like that.

                        He sees, sees. If, of course, there is even the slightest desire to see something positive. But it is precisely these gentlemen who are enraged by the successes of Russia, in any direction. After all, why then shout at Bolotnaya that "everyone is gone and only the West will help us"? The topic of corruption is being taken out of the sleeve - and then, of course, there is scope for the screamers. That is, that is, who would argue. But in the same States, corruption and lobbying are elevated to the rank of state policy.
                        Take the same military companies. When the current military leaders of very high ranks conclude agreements with them for amounts from several times to tens of times higher than the real cost of services. Since they are already serving, these military companies are kept under their patronage, and the dismissal ambassador is employed there in high positions. And this is one of the small examples. So corruption is flourishing in the United States as well - shining a light on "law, democracy from freedom" ...
                      17. Don
                        Don 25 December 2012 18: 39
                        +7
                        Quote: Viking
                        But it is precisely such gentlemen that infuriate the successes of Russia, in any direction.

                        Exactly. Remember the statement of one of the swamp ladies that the Russian national football team cannot be played well at the European Football Championship 2012, because it will help Putin. And how they accused the Russian national hockey team for winning the World Cup. This is already complete insanity.
                        Quote: Viking
                        But in the same States, corruption and lobbying are elevated to the rank of state policy.

                        And they still believe that they have the right to teach someone and make ratings.
                      18. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 18: 53
                        +1
                        [quote = Don] Here, here. Remember the statement of one of the swamp ladies that the Russian national football team cannot be played well at the European Football Championship 2012, because it will help Putin. And how they accused the Russian national hockey team for winning the World Cup. This is already complete insanity.
                        ))) Well, there are similar ones everywhere, in your ranks, for example, Sveta from Ivanovo
                      19. Don
                        Don 26 December 2012 19: 32
                        -2
                        Quote: Hon
                        in your ranks, for example, Sveta from Ivanovo

                        In which of our ranks? And who is Sveta from Ivanovo?
                      20. Hon
                        Hon 27 December 2012 13: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Don
                        In which of our ranks? And who is Sveta from Ivanovo?

                        Google it. By the way, she is now also leading on NTV. Funny girl)))
                      21. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 21: 35
                        +6
                        Quote: Viking
                        But in the same States, corruption and lobbying are elevated to the rank of state policy.

                        You are right, there is one, but I don’t care what is in the USA, because this is not my country. And in my country, the general bought worthless body armor, and do not care about the general and the money that he put in his pocket, only the soldiers put on these body armor and the general’s greed cost someone. Including the poet was a swamp. Or else, recently an article on the site was about Andrei Lenev, he kind of defended the country, but he collected money in nete, and even collected it but were late ... But the state is not poor, but it didn’t save his life, because the state (not Russia) does not need it. Therefore, we are in the swamp.
                      22. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 08
                        -2
                        Quote: Hon
                        And in my country, the general bought worthless body armor

                        you just touched me
                        Is there a general name?
                        Is there evidence?
                        so why are you still here and don’t write a statement to the prosecutor’s office, you were going to fight so fight and not shake the air in vain
                      23. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 18: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: Don
                        then you are either blind or not smart, if you do not see the economic and political leap that the Russian Federation has made over the past 12 years

                        I just love Yeltsin !!! For Chechnya, for the collapse, for the fact that people have not seen a salary for years. Only for some reason, Putin signed a decree guaranteeing integrity to Yeltsin and his family, and the library was named after Yeltsin ...
                      24. Don
                        Don 25 December 2012 18: 44
                        -2
                        Quote: Hon
                        I just love Yeltsin !!! For Chechnya, for the collapse, for the fact that people have not seen a salary for years. Only for some reason, Putin signed a decree guaranteeing integrity to Yeltsin and his family, and the library was named after Yeltsin ...

                        Well, let's already without it. I told him about economic growth, and he told me about Yeltsin. I also do not like Yeltsin, but he is already in the past and he is not in power. You need to look at the statistics of what Putin is doing, and not what EBN did.
                      25. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 18: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Don
                        You need to look at the statistics of what Putin is doing, and not what EBN did.

                        Correctly say what Putin did !!! The first two terms were an undeniable blessing for Russia, but at least it was not a shame for him, but now ...
                      26. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 20: 50
                        +2
                        A little correction.
                        Quote: Hon
                        Yes, at least it was not a shame for him,

                        I meant not ashamed, unlike Yeltsin.
                      27. Don
                        Don 26 December 2012 19: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: Hon
                        Correctly say what Putin did !!! The first two terms were an undeniable blessing for Russia, but at least it was not a shame for him, but now ...

                        Reaching the 6th world economy is easier than surpassing Germany and Japan. Putin has already said that his goal is to overtake Germany.
                      28. Hon
                        Hon 28 December 2012 21: 19
                        +2
                        Let him deal with corruption, then he plays catch-up. But I will tell you from experience I know that Putin does not seek to fight corruption, he knows many facts personally, he not only does not stop this, but also helps to resolve the situation. At one time, we were battling with the Oryol and Belgorod regions on the occasion of grain, which was actually stolen, there was a billions question, as a result, the debt was safely forgiven at the behest, what do you think?
                      29. Atlon
                        Atlon 25 December 2012 15: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Don
                        It’s just funny to read these so-called facts. Another swamp.

                        Especially about grandmothers pleased ... laughing I don’t know where he got them, only the tsigans and drunks are asking for alms from our porch. Moreover, for a coin less than 10 rubles, they can even swindle. Well, about the bottles, not at all the gates ... I wonder where we have points for receiving glass containers ??? wassat
                      30. Don
                        Don 25 December 2012 17: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: Atlon
                        Well, about the bottles, not at all the gates ... I wonder where we have points for receiving glass containers ???

                        Maybe this kid wrote an excerpt from his essay how I spent the summer? laughing
                      31. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 18: 01
                        -5
                        And in our country, in general, the average salary is 28 tr.
                      32. Atlon
                        Atlon 25 December 2012 15: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Hon
                        Have you already answered for the majority of Russians ?! I do not like corruption. I don’t like it when real officers are mixed with mud, and parquet generals buy foam plastic bulletproof vests for soldiers who easily break through even from PM. I do not like it when the generals, showing their complete incompetence, indiscriminately scam our technology. I don’t like when successes are constantly being declared which actually are not. I don’t like that Russia has not carried out a single successful reform. I don't like grandmothers in the streets asking for alms and collecting bottles. I do not like that Tsepovyaz is sentenced to a fine of TR 200 for harboring the killer of children. By the way, both he and Tsapok are members of the ruling party. I don’t like when the president does not know anything about the stolen billions, and the one who stole suffers in his 14 room apartment, because he cannot take communion. You obviously like it all and you don't want to change anything.

                        Judging by the style, the boy is about 15-16 years old, no more. Young and early. Ham and nerdy. The cannon fodder of the marsh Fuhrer ...;)
                      33. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 15: 52
                        -7
                        the boy is 26, and I am also an official in the past, he worked in the FAGR, and I know the cuisine of the state apparatus from the inside.
                      34. skullcap
                        skullcap 25 December 2012 16: 50
                        +6
                        Hon (2) Today, 15: 52
                        26 boy, and I’m also an official in the past
                        -----------------------------
                        Hon, you can browse all the archives of the site to make sure that so far I have deliberately tried not to offend anyone.
                        For you, I have to make an exception, reminding an anecdote that will simply fit organically into today's debate, but most importantly, corresponds to the true state of affairs:
                        "There are two men in the school. The mathematician asks a sportsman to replace him in class.
                        - I do not know anything in math !!
                        - And not necessarily. Ask the students some difficult task to solve a whole lesson and sit quietly
                        - Okay.
                        He comes to class and asks: "A flock of files was flying, and geese were flying towards them. How much is a bottle of vodka, if the trump card is worms"
                        The husky class fell silent, eyes downcast.
                        The physical education instructor opened the "Soviet Sport" and is already starting to get high, when suddenly a hand reaches out.
                        - you what? Solved the problem?
                        Little Johnny: - No. But I know how old you are.
                        - And how many?
                        - 26.
                        - Right. And how did you know?
                        - And to me 13 and dad calls me a silly person.
                      35. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 17: 18
                        0
                        And here’s another joke for you, our employee sold 4 fighters at a price of 153 rubles apiece, he was sentenced in absentia to 11 years in prison, in absentia because he wasn’t caught, and he wasn’t caught, he was allowed to leave quietly. You can laugh.
                      36. cherkas.oe
                        cherkas.oe 26 December 2012 01: 15
                        0
                        Quote: kosopuz
                        Hon, you can browse all the archives of the site to make sure that so far I have deliberately tried not to offend anyone.

                        What are you scrupulous straight Aesop. And I stuck it up the branch in a simple way, because it’s not 26 to him, but more in the handwriting.
                      37. Viking
                        Viking 25 December 2012 16: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Hon
                        boy 26

                        Official boy, have you ever served in the army? Or immediately went to the officials? And as they turned from there, he harbored (splashing in the Internet) his anger at the whole world, country or something else.
                      38. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 17: 22
                        -4
                        Immediately I went to the officials and didn’t turn around, I switched to another job, by the way I can always return to the civil service, since the assigned class rank is preserved, which means I will have an advantage over other candidates. I am 26 I have a good job and a small business, and you?
                      39. Viking
                        Viking 25 December 2012 18: 07
                        +8
                        Quote: Hon
                        I have a good job and a small business, and you?

                        And I have shoulder straps on my shoulders, a lot of business trips to "hot spots", state awards and service for the good of Russia, a puppy. You never answered, you were still in the army (although here you can habitually lie), or of which you are absolutely sure that you didn’t say that “I don’t owe this state anything”.
                      40. Garrin
                        Garrin 25 December 2012 18: 13
                        +2
                        Viking!
                        An exhaustive answer. You can’t say better. Thank!
                      41. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 18: 34
                        -3
                        I replied that immediately to the officials after the university. I do not owe anything to the state, but it wasn’t accepted from the army. But when you were judging Budanov, what feelings did the OFFICER feel ?! Pride probably !!!
                      42. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Hon
                        I owe nothing to the state

                        and Russia? !!!!
                        one thing is not clear 26 years 5 years at the institute a year aria, when did you manage to gain experience and work as an official and create a business?
                      43. Oboz
                        Oboz 26 December 2012 14: 16
                        0
                        There is still the opportunity to serve the homeland.
                      44. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Hon
                        I am 26 I have a good job and a small business, and you?

                        Apparently the business you may have, but there is no respect for others, I was contacted by patronymic by name from 24 and not just a joke, but just respected, maybe that's why I do not allow myself to poke even those younger than me, and you excuse me, 26 year old snot be rude to strangers
                      45. Piligrim
                        Piligrim 29 December 2012 23: 29
                        -3
                        Hon, they don't like successful people here. wink
                        They are still in the scoop. And for them the main criterion is that the poorer and more passive you are in this life, the closer for them. They do not like initiative and a different opinion than theirs. They immediately label them and try to place them in some other social group. Constantly looking for enemies!
                        Especially touches their reasoning and "reflections" on economic topics! there is generally something with something! fellow
                      46. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 23: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Pilgrim
                        Hon, they don't like successful people here. wink

                        and what is your success expressed in?
                        Quote: Pilgrim
                        They are still in the scoop. And for them the main criterion is that the poorer and more passive you are in this life, the closer for them. They do not like initiative and a different opinion than their

                        Apparently, you either don’t know how to analyze, or are simply stupid, they argue so that the fluff and feathers fly and there are a lot of opinions, another question is that EVERYONE does not like when they are shitting on their Homeland (what exactly is shitting on)
                      47. cherkas.oe
                        cherkas.oe 26 December 2012 01: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Hon
                        the boy is 26, and I am also an official in the past, he worked in the FAGR, and I know the cuisine of the state apparatus from the inside

                        Oh, I said mowing down hysterically, and the official himself, probably the State Department.
                      48. cherkas.oe
                        cherkas.oe 26 December 2012 01: 07
                        +4
                        Quote: Atlon
                        Judging by the style, the boy is about 15-16 years old, no more. Young and early. Ham and nerdy. The cannon fodder of the marsh Fuhrer ...;)

                        Yes, figs there, he only mows under the worm in a swoon, and you bastard himself bastard, and seasoned, you can see the handwriting.
                      49. cherkas.oe
                        cherkas.oe 26 December 2012 01: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Hon

                        Hon

                        Yes, you shit-eater all that you have listed poher here, and hoes and chain-ties, you have one task to bark louder, so that the owners who pay you hear and pay, so get out of here and don’t stink.
                      50. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 04
                        0
                        and now specifically how you with this "dislike" are going to fight
                    2. Piligrim
                      Piligrim 29 December 2012 23: 11
                      0
                      laughing and where did you get such a not healthy feeling that this site reflects the majority of the opinion of the whole country ???
                      As far as I look, they hang out on this site (hang stars to each other and give out titles laughing ) old senility and dreamers of Stalin's time.
                      And if there were a majority of such people in the Russian Federation, then the current president would definitely not be in power with his understanding of the state!
                      1. sleepy
                        sleepy 31 December 2012 09: 04
                        0
                        I do not consider myself a Stalinist, just a comparison is not in favor of democracy.
                        What did you want to offer?

                        -All financial structures to return to the state,
                        -restrict the uncontrolled circulation of the dollar,
                        -to turn defense industry enterprises and natural monopolies to the state,
                        - introduce rent for the use of mineral resources and natural resources,
                        -to abolish pro-Western educational reform,
                        - officials forbid to have accounts abroad ...
                        and much more.

                        It turns out I am a Stalinist? And more about Putin’s activities as president of Russia.
                        Putin repented to the Poles for Katyn, and Stalin did not plead guilty to Hitler's suicide.

                        Putin knelt in Katyn, repented to Poland on behalf of Russia.
                        http://skurlatov.livejournal.com/1550977.html

                        “Putin, it turns out, is forcing us, who are now living, to repent for our fathers, and for their some often far-fetched“ sins, ”which even the European Court of Human Rights did not recognize as proven recently.
                        Repent even to the shit, but don't touch me! I do not intend to repent for anyone, and I don’t need to impose some kind of "historical guilt complex" on anyone. This does not mean, of course, that I dismiss the "Katyn affair" and urge people to forget about it and not discuss it. On the contrary, as a historian, I am extremely interested in all historical episodes, including such convoluted ones as Katyn - when and who liquidated the elite of the Polish army, the Stalinists or still the Nazis ...
                        ... So, the official position of the Russian Federation is to admit guilt for Katyn and repentance, which entails,
                        Needless to say, the payment of compensation-reparations, including from my pocket.
                        I disagree with this position in principle, and many Russian patriots
                        This clearly anti-Stalinist-biased version is refuted, but the official "Russian nationalist" Putin's Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin accepts it and justifies it.

                        Nikolay Polyakov reminds in the article "Rogozin about Katyn" (February 12, 2012).
                        "The Goebbels case lives on and wins."
                        Rogozin at Pozner about Katyn:
                        "If Stalin shot our officers, then why did he have to do charity work?
                        in relation to Polish? Therefore, I say that I have no doubt that he shot.
                        By his order, they were shot ... "

                        Putin kneeling in Katyn, repents to Poland on behalf of Russia.
                  2. Atlon
                    Atlon 25 December 2012 15: 04
                    +5
                    Quote: Hon
                    And I'm not going to ask you where I live !!! You don’t like what’s going on in Russia then go ahead and I’ll stay and try to fix what I don’t like !!!

                    Well, about the fact that you are a boor, I already wrote ... In Russia, nothing SUCH "happens" (by the way, this word is written without a soft sign, boy). And, accordingly, I'm not going to "blame" anywhere. As for your efforts, it seems to me that you have fallen behind in the swamp. They are not capable of more. laughing
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 25 December 2012 15: 56
                      -5
                      (WHAT DOES) I know how to spell, when I print it’s not really possible to check, I’m used more by hand.
                  3. Viking
                    Viking 25 December 2012 16: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: Hon
                    but I will stay and try to fix what I don’t like !!!

                    Shouting loudly at Bolotnaya? Yes, you will fix it ... And I don’t want to think what you dream of turning my Motherland into by calling Russia "this state." Who will let you? Naive .... There were already so-called. "correctors" starting with Carlos the Great, Napoleon and Hitler .... And where are they?
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 25 December 2012 17: 29
                      +6
                      No, I will otherwise correct it by working honestly and paying taxes. And as far as possible I will try not to pass by injustice. And then as it goes, as for the swamp, no one had any illusions, there is nothing to fix, and the corrections that take place in the squares always end in blood. Therefore, the swamp is a positive example, no one there tried to shed blood. And no one will follow Yashin and Nemtsov. And there will be no more revolutions in our country, there have already been three of them, if there have been four since the October Revolution, and they didn’t end with anything good.
                      1. Viking
                        Viking 25 December 2012 18: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Hon
                        No, I will otherwise correct it by working honestly and paying taxes.

                        At the same time, lovingly glancing and licking his lips at the Amer states .... And also, as far as possible, promoting their anti-Russian opinion within Russia. You are our honest ...
                      2. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 18: 40
                        +2
                        If I had glanced lovingly and licked my lips, I would have landed long ago. The thing is different, nothing decays there as we constantly write. And what are the opinions of anti-Russian? That we have corruption. Is she not there? We have permissiveness for those in power. Is this not there? That the country must change. Is that not so?
                      3. aksakal
                        aksakal 25 December 2012 21: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Hon
                        If I had glanced lovingly and licked my lips, I would have landed long ago. The thing is different, nothing decays there as we constantly write. And what are the opinions of anti-Russian? That we have corruption. Is she not there? We have permissiveness for those in power. Is this not there? That the country must change. Is that not so?
                        - read the polemic carefully. Your last phrases, Non, they are beautiful phrases. But these are general phrases, and specifically you are characterized by the phrases “I don’t owe this state anything” and various insinuations ”about this state. After that I had to round off the conversation with you, I still don’t understand why the Viking was still talking to you. -So an officer, a professional habit of messing around with young and bad recruits.
                        I am not an officer and I will be short, I will help the Viking, because I understand him, in general, like this - "sorry, modern - plug your mouth, it stinks terribly of swamp mud and something else! am
                  4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Hon
                    but I will stay and try to fix what I don’t like !!!

                    but what exactly do you dislike?
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 01
                0
                and you were protected in such an opportunity ?!
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 25 December 2012 11: 22
              +23
              Quote: Atlon
              For all your reasons, there is only one answer: “Russian children are children of the second or even third grade. Under the second in the United States, all sorts of“ colored ”probably still pass. Accordingly, soft sentences, and everything else.


              And this is not only in Syria but also in a deiocratic and tolerant Europe. In France, for example, if you came from Russia, then automatically your attitude to you is worse than even migrants from the former colonies. The sister told me that at first they didn’t consider a person at all. Although she had a philological education, she knew the language, she was taken only as a governess or a servant at best.
              Well, with children, everything is explained simply. Children from Russia are equated with pets or toys to which the attitude is appropriate, they are tired of throwing away all the cases. We must clearly understand that historically, for the people of Western civilization, we are still subhuman - intermenshi, who for some reason undeservedly got so many natural resources and land. The same attitude is also among the newly-born domestic "effective", "creative" - ​​this country , scoops, cattle, zamkadye, you have to get out of here, etc. So there is nothing surprising and incomprehensible here.
              1. ImpKonstantin
                ImpKonstantin 25 December 2012 12: 18
                -3
                From an emotional point of view, I think you are right, but nevertheless, it seems to me that the law of "Dima Yakovlev" should be edited: first, remove the line according to which the ban on adoption will apply to all countries that have adopted the "Magnitsky List", leave only USA. Second, to amend the ban on adoptions for Americans, subject to the creation of a competent Russian authority that would have the authority to monitor Russian children in American families and take part in federal and state litigation of Russian children.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 25 December 2012 12: 39
                  -14
                  Initially, this was confirmed by STERK during the pre-conference Dima Yakovlev’s law was adopted as a response to Magnitsky’s law, he does not bear the goals of protecting children, this is just a cover.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 19
                    0
                    you forgive the law read?
            3. Hon
              Hon 25 December 2012 11: 55
              -4
              The athlete Jessica Long, who was born 20 years ago in the maternity hospital of the city of Bratsk, won the gold medal at the 2012 Paralympic Games in London. That's just the award went to the piggy bank of the United States, not Russia, as the girl has long been living away from her homeland.
              The heart-breaking story of this American champion began 20 years ago in Siberia: she was born in the city of Bratsk under the name of Tatyana Kirillova. At birth, the baby did not have small tibia, there were no ankles and many bones of the foot, so the mother did not dare to take on the difficult burden of caring for an inferior child and abandoned her daughter. When Tanya was 13 months old, she was adopted by the Americans from Baltimore. The girl was given a new name - Jessica Long - which a few years later rattled the whole world.
              When the baby was one and a half years old, doctors were forced to amputate her legs below the knees. Jessica began to master dentures. Despite the absence of limbs, the girl persistently engaged in many sports: gymnastics, cheerleading, ice skating, rock climbing and, finally, swimming. It was in this sport that her true talent was revealed.
              Her career skyrocketed in 2004, when Jessica won 3 gold medals at the Paralympic Games in Athens. Each new Olympiad brought to the sportswoman's piggy bank more and more new achievements. And the day before she became the gold champion of the Paralympic Games in London.
              Quote: Atlon
              "Russian children are children of the second or even third grade

              As it does not fit with the second grade !!!
              1. Kaa
                Kaa 25 December 2012 15: 25
                +12
                Quote: Hon
                That's just the award went to the piggy bank of the United States, not Russia, as the girl has long been living away from her homeland.

                And what do you mean by that? London Paralympics Gold Medal -1. China - 96, 2.Russia -36,3. Great Britain -34, 4.Ukraine -32, 5.Australia -32, 6. USA - 31. With all the "hot care" of the United States, people with special needs, and not "handicapped children", as you disgustedly sympathetically deigned to express, much more successful in Ukraine, in Russia, I generally keep quiet about China ...
              2. bddrus
                bddrus 25 December 2012 17: 22
                +4
                since we have such a bloody and dangerous regime, then tell me a former boy-official in what places our paralympic team? and how they occupy such places without being adopted by the lights of democracy
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 41
                0
                Quote: Hon
                The athlete Jessica Long, who was born 20 years ago in the maternity hospital of the city of Bratsk, won the gold medal at the 2012 Paralympic Games in London. That's just the award went to the piggy bank of the United States, not Russia, as the girl has long been living away from her homeland.

                you when examples give think speak useful
                The Russian team took second place in the unofficial team event at the Paralympic Games, which ended on Sunday in London. On the account of the Russians 102 medals - 36 gold, 38 silver and 28 bronze
                http://www.rezeptsport.ru/2012/
                and what does the Paralympic people have to do with it, do not explain
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 25 December 2012 09: 33
            +8
            In general, this is the fault of our orphanages and decision-makers, which allow perverts to adopt children. Why is it making noise on all channels, what kind of freaks are American parents who boiled the next child in the car, and no one thinks, and what kind of freaks are those who allowed such idiots and perverts to adopt children, we don’t have psychologists who evaluate parents before adoption? Why are the people responsible for this business not responsible?
          3. Hon
            Hon 25 December 2012 09: 59
            -15
            And Russian adoptive families in relative terms of children die 39 times more than in American
            Thus, according to various sources, in the United States by 2011 from 18 to 21 children died.
            The last figure was even deciphered: 6 Russians died from ill-treatment of American parents, 15 died for one reason or another (accident, illness, etc.)
            As Pavel Astakhov admitted, “Unfortunately, we do not have federal statistics on how many Russian children died at the hands of foster parents. We must fill this gap. ”
            Therefore, to determine the true extent of the tragedy (or, conversely, optimism?) In Russia, unlike the decaying West, one has to use bits of statistics. For several years, even in semi-official documents, such a figure has been circulating: from 1991 to 2006, i.e. for 15 years, 1220 children adopted by Russian citizens died. Of these, 12 were killed by their adoptive parents. During the same period, from 1991 to 2006, in the West, 18 Russian children died in the families of foster parents.
            Knowing the number of adopted children there and in Russia (92 thousand and 158 thousand), we can calculate the relative risk of adoption in these two worlds. It turns out that 1 dead child falls on 5103 foreign families. In Russian families, this ratio is 1 dead child per 130 families. That is, adopted children in Russian families are 39 times more dangerous to live than in foreign ones.
            Once the Prosecutor General’s Office reported on crimes in foster families, but only for 2007. This year, 93 citizens (adoptive parents, guardians, trustees or foster parents) were brought to criminal responsibility for committing crimes against children adopted for raising a family, of which 27 were brought to criminal responsibility for committing crimes that resulted in death or harm children's health. How many of these 27 cases were killed is unknown.
            1. FREGATENKAPITAN
              FREGATENKAPITAN 25 December 2012 11: 44
              +8
              if Astakhov doesn’t have such statistics ... if you please, where did you get this link ... it’s prov 39 times ... ?????
              1. Hon
                Hon 25 December 2012 12: 45
                -11
                reports of the prosecutor general’s office, data of the investigative committee, reports of other organizations, etc.
                1. Ustas
                  Ustas 25 December 2012 14: 03
                  +5
                  Quote: Hon
                  reports of the prosecutor general’s office, data of the investigative committee, reports of other organizations, etc.

                  Your words seem unfounded. Pozhsta script in the studio.
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 25 December 2012 15: 09
                    -6
                    The seeker will find, in my many similar reports I read.
                    1. Viking
                      Viking 25 December 2012 16: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Hon
                      I read a lot of such reports

                      Have you kindly been especially interested (in advance) on this topic, or is it just that this work? Reading reports in a particular direction ... In trolling, you may need it, right?
                      1. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 16: 35
                        -6
                        The topic of the diploma was data, information about 2005-2007
                      2. Viking
                        Viking 25 December 2012 17: 03
                        +5
                        Quote: Hon
                        The topic of the diploma was data, information about 2005-2007

                        Uh-huh, dear. While you defended yourself on this vile topic, I just managed a couple of times to "roll" on business trips for six months to the Chechen mountains, gorges, villages. And what is Russia and how it should be defended and how, in your words, "this state" was shed for it and life was laid, not on TV, but with my own eyes. Moreover, these were my extreme business trips, I began to travel to this hospitable mountains, to catch "lead gifts" since 1999. From Dagestan. So it’s not up to you to talk about Russia, its place and who did what for it.
                      3. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 18: 46
                        +2
                        The officer. Those who shot at you now in Moscow drive Mercedes-Benz cars, and your comrades in arms with torn-off legs sing songs on the trains, but they can just be dressed up. By the way, "Hero of Russia" Kadyrov really wants the Chechen investigators to be provided with information on servicemen who have been on business trips for investigation ...
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Hon
                        Those who shot you now drive in Moscow in Moscow, and your comrades with their legs torn off on electric trains sing songs, but it can just be mummers.

                        poke and be rude snot you will be to your mother, judging by your upbringing, she deserved it
                        and talk to people who defended you more politely
                      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 53
                        0
                        confident young turkey
                        if you said that at least that was the topic of your dissertation, and this is just a diagnosis
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 51
                  0
                  you are not smart, my friend, and this is all from the reports of various psychiatrists, such a diagnosis will suit you, I think not, so why do you think that we are dumber than you
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 43
              0
              Quote: Hon
              And Russian adoptive families in relative terms of children die 39 times more than in American
              Thus, according to various sources, in the United States by 2011 from 18 to 21 children died.

              you are very free to use numbers
              And Russian adoptive families in relative terms of children die 39 times more than in American

              As Pavel Astakhov admitted, “Unfortunately, we do not have federal statistics on how many Russian children died at the hands of foster parents. We must fill this gap. ”
              Therefore, to determine the true extent of the tragedy (or, conversely, optimism?) In Russia, unlike the decaying West, one has to use bits of statistics. For several years, even in semi-official documents, such a figure has been circulating: from 1991 to 2006, i.e. for 15 years, 1220 children adopted by Russian citizens died. Of these, 12 were killed by their adoptive parents. During the same period, from 1991 to 2006, in the West, 18 Russian children died in the families of foster parents.

              statistics are either there or not and only 26-year-old officials can use the "stubs", as a result, it turns out that the United States adopts disabled children from the Russian Federation more than Russians
          4. Gecko
            Gecko 25 December 2012 10: 40
            +7
            It’s a paradox, but in the USA it is more difficult and more expensive to adopt American children than from abroad.
            1. Hon
              Hon 25 December 2012 10: 45
              +4
              I don’t know what the order in the USA is, but in Russia the order is terrible, it is precisely because of stupid squatting and unnecessary bureaucracy that many normal parents in Russia are unable to adopt a child, they just drop their hands from this torment !!!
              In the US, by the way, there are much more people who want to adopt a child than children who can be adopted. Orphanages (orphanages) perform the functions of temporary detention, seldom adopt only already enough adult children.
              1. bddrus
                bddrus 25 December 2012 17: 25
                +1
                How many times have you tried to adopt a child in Russia?
          5. Starksa
            Starksa 25 December 2012 11: 02
            +4
            they have this business in the first place, because a lot of money is spinning there
          6. Good Ukraine
            Good Ukraine 25 December 2012 23: 12
            +5
            And they say in Russia there is no fifth column.

            Thief Magnitsky stole and died in prison. And then it all started. He stole the truth in favor of a foreign state. Bottom line - The authorities in Russia are bad, they do not allow 3,14ndos to be stolen.
            Model American dad cooked a child from Russia in a car. Who is to blame? Of course, not he, but the cannibals-deputies of the State Duma.
            HERE AND THE WHOLE DISPOSAL.

            America is a country of moral and physical freaks. Who does not believe, let him go and see.
        2. Deniska999
          Deniska999 25 December 2012 09: 16
          +5
          LET EVERY DEPUTY ADOPT ONE SINGLE DISABLED, EACH MINISTER, PUTIN, MEDVEDEV,
          1. Cavas
            Cavas 25 December 2012 09: 21
            +11
            Quote: Deniska999
            LET EVERY DEPUTY ADOPT ONE SINGLE DISABLED, EACH MINISTER, PUTIN, MEDVEDEV,

            Stop advising. otherwise scha will do massive self-mutilation! wassat
          2. lechatormosis
            lechatormosis 25 December 2012 09: 23
            +3
            And THIS is the best offer.
            1. Andrey from Tver
              Andrey from Tver 25 December 2012 12: 17
              +12
              And there is also a proposal that the State Duma adopt the list of "Serdyukov - Skrynnik", including all their court pribluda, itself banned them from traveling outside Russia, and determined their place of residence somewhere in the North. And would nationalize the funds deposited abroad. Something like this.
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 25 December 2012 09: 28
            +2
            Quote: Deniska999
            LET EVERY DEPUTY ADOPT ONE SINGLE DISABLED, EACH MINISTER, PUTIN, MEDVEDEV,

            And who to grow out of these children?
            And they won’t do it, these are not the same people hi
            1. Atlon
              Atlon 25 December 2012 10: 50
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And they won’t do it, these are not the same people

              Yeah ... Martians are ... Not yourself funny?
          4. Yarbay
            Yarbay 25 December 2012 10: 00
            +1
            Quote: Deniska999
            LET EVERY DEPUTY ADOPT ONE SINGLE DISABLED, EACH MINISTER, PUTIN, MEDVEDEV,

            and educates !!
            1. old rocket man
              old rocket man 25 December 2012 11: 22
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              LET EVERY DEPUTY WILL ADOPT ONE SINGLE DISABLED, EACH MINISTER, PUTIN, MEDVEDEV

              Do you mean the Azerbaijani deputies?
              Is everything really so good in Azerbaijan that you have nothing to do but litter the Russian site with your "thoughtful" remarks? laughing
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 25 December 2012 11: 33
                +1
                Quote: Old Rocketman
                Do you mean the Azerbaijani deputies?

                I would only be for !!!
                Quote: Old Rocketman
                Is everything really so good in Azerbaijan that you have nothing to do but litter the Russian site with your "thoughtful" remarks?

                And you will ignore)))))))))))))))))))
              2. sergo0000
                sergo0000 25 December 2012 12: 22
                +3
                old rocketman,
                He has such a job. bully
                1. old rocket man
                  old rocket man 25 December 2012 13: 46
                  +4
                  sergo0000,
                  I noticed, thank you. From his comments you can’t breathe, though these are mostly greetings and sharing. hi
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 25 December 2012 21: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: Old Rocketman
                    I noticed, thank you. From his comments you can’t breathe, though these are mostly greetings and sharing.
                    - Dear old rocket launcher, I really don’t always agree on everything with Yarbai, but here let me ask you anyway - are you somehow annoyed by the presence of Russian-speaking forum users from neighboring quite friendly countries? Your question just puzzled me belay
          5. Hon
            Hon 25 December 2012 10: 08
            -10
            I can already imagine how furious printers ran to adopt children, especially Allachka
          6. Viking
            Viking 25 December 2012 10: 40
            +6
            Have you personally adopted a lot to give such instructions?
          7. Starksa
            Starksa 25 December 2012 11: 04
            +5
            and you including, otherwise it’s all
          8. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN 25 December 2012 11: 46
            +15
            No, not a deputy .... let them adopt those who scream loudly about caring for poor kids .....
            1. Nickname
              Nickname 25 December 2012 13: 20
              -6
              But I wouldn’t want these children to have such parents.
              No need to grow Serdyukovy from them
              I "love" our deputies and medveputov as much as the American Senate and let them bite to hell.
          9. webdog
            webdog 25 December 2012 12: 11
            +11
            Deniska999, "LET EVERY DEPUTY ADOPT ONE DISABLED, EVERY MINISTER, PUTIN, MEDVEDEV,"
            and you yourself weakly adopt?
            that you are nodding at the deputies and Putin.
            Do you think Putin has nothing more to do? in teachers decided to write it down?
            So try it yourself to give advice.
            I expect from you a stormy and inarticulate reaction)))
            start!)))
            Thanks for attention.
          10. Atlon
            Atlon 25 December 2012 15: 09
            +7
            Quote: Deniska999
            LET EVERY DEPUTY ADOPT ONE SINGLE DISABLED, EACH MINISTER, PUTIN, MEDVEDEV,

            Start with yourself, lead by example. Well, or at least go to the nearest orphanage, buy gifts for the children ... What? No??? Or: "in this country" blah, blah, blah ...
            Like children, the right word ... laughing
        3. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 25 December 2012 09: 26
          +11
          Quote: Hon
          You are aware that children with disabilities left without parental care are sent to a boarding school for the disabled, where they do not live but exist.


          - Well, yes, of course ... So you yourself grew up in a boarding school ??? Well answer, well?

          Personally, I have four good friends who, by the way, are from there. And YOU know, nothing bad, my friends can’t say about the people who raised them and the houses where they lived!

          Quote: Hon
          And by the way, these pedruchs in the photo cause me much less disgust than our deputies


          - so you still support f * wood? (!)
          I’m more sick of your words than of our deputies! Which, by the way, are far from morons ... And before adopting this law, they thought 200 times!

          I recommend you to think.
          1. Hon
            Hon 25 December 2012 10: 13
            -13
            Our furious printer can not think in principle !!! By the way, I also have many friends from DD, and if it’s not so bad for ordinary children to grow up in DD, for example, they are provided with housing and support for a long time after graduation, then this is a tragedy for the disabled, because they are legally incapable and are sent to a boarding house for the disabled, where they live to death, that is, not very long. The amendment does not live but exist !!!
            1. LaGlobal
              LaGlobal 25 December 2012 12: 59
              +3
              Quote: Hon
              The amendment does not live but exist !!!


              Why do you say so confidently? This is not clear to me.
              It is another matter if you were such a child and lived in such conditions, then maybe I would agree with your opinion.
          2. Viking
            Viking 25 December 2012 10: 41
            +6
            Quote: LaGlobal
            And before adopting this law, they thought 200 times!

            "It" came here (to the site) not to think, but to troll. Therefore, his scribbles should be treated accordingly ...
            1. Hon
              Hon 25 December 2012 11: 13
              -5
              Are you an Internet warrior? Does it mean you're busy here ?!
          3. Atlon
            Atlon 25 December 2012 10: 53
            +5
            Quote: LaGlobal
            I recommend you to think.

            Giving booty, can not think ...
            After all, often in the priest, we have brains.
            And if the brains fuck for hours,
            That thoughts in the priest, there will be no ...
        4. Viking
          Viking 25 December 2012 10: 33
          +8
          So without America, how can we not? But how did we live orphaned and wretched before, until overseas benefactors shed light on democracy and "dense" Russia? What, in the States, the world has come together like a wedge that prohibiting them from adopting (as we see from the article) in the vast majority of normal, healthy children is equated by some marginalized to the end of the world?
          1. Hon
            Hon 25 December 2012 11: 03
            -11
            But we cannot cope with America without it, the point is not in them, but in us. America, or rather, some people living in the United States simply took some of our children to raise, thereby giving them a chance for a happy future. Our citizens give the same chance to adopting children, but we have more orphans than those who want to adopt, so why should there be obstacles for foreigners who adopt children from Russia.
            1. Viking
              Viking 25 December 2012 11: 19
              +8
              Quote: Hon
              why there should be obstacles for foreigners who adopt children from Russia.

              The law is only about one country - the United States! About all foreigners do not need to inflate hysteria. In relation to other countries, this law does not provide for anything. On the planet that there is only one country left, the USA?
              1. Hon
                Hon 25 December 2012 11: 36
                -9
                We are talking about one and a half thousand children a year who are adopted. US citizens for whom this is a chance in life, and for children with disabilities this is the only chance. Do not deprive others of the right to happiness.
                1. LaGlobal
                  LaGlobal 25 December 2012 13: 07
                  +5
                  Quote: Hon
                  adopt. US citizens for whom this is a chance in life


                  I wouldn’t have put on them, certainly !!!
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 25 December 2012 15: 10
                    -2
                    And you don’t have to!
                    1. Viking
                      Viking 25 December 2012 16: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: Hon
                      And you don’t have to!

                      But you probably still need it .... Unearthly direct love for the States ... What else is not there? Someone here, in Russia (or, in your opinion, in "this state") holds for a causal place?
                      1. Hon
                        Hon 25 December 2012 16: 44
                        -4
                        And by the way, many are already there, scientists, programmers, doctors ... And then they begin to whine about the brain drain, Medved as a child was happy with the iPhone, it was already lit up when the toy was presented, and our programmers and engineers made it too. And recently our former compatriots received the Nobel Prize. What about us? And we have Chubais ...
                2. Atlon
                  Atlon 25 December 2012 15: 13
                  +6
                  Quote: Hon
                  Do not deprive others of the right to happiness.

                  How do you know what happiness is ??? belay Not everything, as you consider, that the highest happiness is to receive an Amerov passport, and to eat hamburgers with Coca-Cola from morning till night. Believe me, such a miserable minority. And almost everything is already there. Why are you staying here. Do not give a visa? wink
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 25 December 2012 16: 48
                    -5
                    Yes, you never know where you were from your own garden before, but you were only on TV abroad and saw you there and informed you that it is rotting. That's just the US population is twice as large as in Russia, the news of hamburgers multiply.
                    1. Atlon
                      Atlon 26 December 2012 10: 24
                      0
                      Quote: Hon
                      Yes, you never know where you were from your own garden before, but you were only on TV abroad and saw you there and informed you that it is rotting. That's just the US population is twice as large as in Russia, to know from hamburgers

                      Once again, where is such awareness of where I have been? laughing Believe me, I've been! So don't judge by yourself, otherwise I will have to think that you judge the West by the voice of America and CNN with the BBC. The population is larger, and amers (whites) are getting smaller. And recently in Copenhagen, the question of whether or not to put a Christmas tree on the main square was seriously discussed? They were afraid to offend the feelings of Muslims ... In principle, I do not care, let them destroy themselves with their pederasty and tolerance together. However, I digress. And by the way, "to eat" is written through I.;)
                3. Lech e-mine
                  Lech e-mine 25 December 2012 15: 57
                  +5
                  So far, US citizens are taking the lives of our children.
                  1. Hon
                    Hon 25 December 2012 17: 33
                    -4
                    one and a half thousand a year of adopted children, 15 people died at the hands of their parents in 19 years 5. yes there are geeks everywhere, but after all, our children are not safe from running into such people.
              2. LaGlobal
                LaGlobal 25 December 2012 13: 03
                +3
                Quote: Viking
                The law is about only one country - the USA! About all foreigners do not need to inflate hysteria. In relation to other countries, this law does not provide for anything. On the planet that there is only one country left, the USA?


                That's it, Viking !!! I just wanted to answer ....
        5. His
          His 25 December 2012 11: 21
          +9
          Now in boarding schools and orphanages the provision is better than at home, fruits and meat every day. God forbid what happens to a child, the prosecutor’s office will eat. We have deeply disabled people with genetic changes, a complete absence of the cerebral cortex, have been living for over 20 years, the survival of which is not provided for by nature.
        6. Lapaev mihail
          Lapaev mihail 25 December 2012 11: 47
          +6
          perhaps I agree mother worked in a boarding school for children with disabilities; Nizhny Novgorod region, the Volodarsky district, the village of Zolino, so I agree with those few who have a cold head .... and inappropriately here to attach examples that children died there and that’s so, but our mothers throw them out of windows, throw them in a garbage chute, and so on but the statistics will probably be more lively ... let's remain human and we will not see in every American Hillary Clinton with Makein in one bottle maybe this family is like our own, trying for 3 years to have a baby, who of you would know what this opportunity is for such families probably the last shas at sons, and most of it’s possible to completely spit on the policies and laws of Magnitsky ........ look wider
          1. LaGlobal
            LaGlobal 25 December 2012 14: 25
            +1
            let's stay human and will not see Hillary Clinton with Macain in one bottle in every American


            And it is from these people that the opinion about America itself and about their people is formed.! As for the abandoned kids, this is happening in every country of the world !!!! And do not equate our mothers with theirs hi
        7. skullcap
          skullcap 25 December 2012 11: 59
          +8
          Hon (2) Today, 09: 01
          What awaits a child in Russia?
          ------------------------------------
          What awaits children in the US?
          http://www.imperiya.by/news.html?id=102256

          Every day in the US, 5 children die from violence
          24 December 2012, Telegraphist
          In December, a “fresh” national report was published on the situation in 51 of the US state of child abuse in 2011, indicating a real epidemic of violence.

          Statements about acts of child abuse in America are received every ten seconds. At the same time 78% of children who die here because of adults, part with life according to the “scenario” of Dima Yakovlev.

          The report testifies dryly: every day in the US, 5 children die from violence. Local human rights activists say that today the United States confidently occupy the top position in the ranking of developed countries on child abuse. Over the 2011 year, the US government agencies received more than 3,4 millions of complaints of violence against more than 6 millions of children, the press service of the Russian Mothers international organization reports, quoting the website of the United States Children's Human Rights Organization, using figures from official state statistics.

          Documents released by American human rights defenders indicate a trend of an annual increase in cases of criminal neglect of the life and interests of the child (neglekt) as per the scenario of Dima Yakovlev.

          At the same time, 50 – 60 percent of cases of death of children from violence according to the scenario of Dima Yakovlev in the USA are not documented as facts of parental neglect.
        8. dmitrich
          dmitrich 25 December 2012 13: 18
          +7
          accustomed to chat mire. disgusting.
        9. dmitreach
          dmitreach 25 December 2012 18: 23
          0
          Hon, did you watch the 2012 Summer Paralympics?
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CB%E5%F2%ED%E8%E5_%CF%E0%F0%E0%EB%E8%EC%EF%E8%E9%F
          1%EA%E8%E5_%E8%E3%F0%FB_2012
          и
          http://www.rezeptsport.ru/2012/index_1.php

          these are opportunities for disabled people in RUSSIA.
        10. starshina78
          starshina78 25 December 2012 21: 01
          +4
          I support you! Anyone from those who shout "FOR" Dima Yakovlev's law was in the Nizhny Lomovsk orphanage for the disabled? In this house there are children with congenital defects, missing limbs (no arms or legs, or maybe both arms or legs), children who have suffered in any accidents and have lost legs or arms. So, from there, no one from Russian families takes their children, but they take them abroad and carry out expensive surgeries to return children to normal life. Moreover, bikers from Moscow come to these children with gifts every year. A law would have to be passed to oppose the Magnitsky Act, but it would not have been worth establishing a ban on the adoption of children. The only thing that could be - is to prohibit adoption by parents from those states of the United States, where people who abused our children were not convicted.
        11. Axel
          Axel 29 December 2012 01: 49
          0
          Putin - in the "Magnitsky Act" PS Let's produce homeless people
        12. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2012 16: 00
          0
          Quote: Hon
          cynically made a bargaining chip of the fate of children, depriving them of a chance for a normal life

          here's an honest word for .... whether you read the law yourself, it is undeniably politicized, but it was necessary to adopt it for a long time, it was necessary to simplify adoption for Russian citizens for a long time and prohibit the sale of children
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 25 December 2012 09: 00
      +3
      Quote: volkan

      All this is like a confrontation with LIST.

      compiling a list of war criminals from the USA would be much more effective, and so it looks like a child’s insult !!
      1. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 25 December 2012 09: 30
        +4
        Quote: Yarbay
        It looks like a child’s insult !!


        Forgive me, of course, for being rude, but I can’t call it a child’s insult, the fact when our adopted children are KILLED OR SIMPLE KILLED by these vile and moral mutant amers! (!) No need to go far for examples! Yes, no doubt that there are good examples. But there are few of them. And all these facts are fairly well hidden. And only a few get publicized.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 December 2012 09: 59
          -3
          Quote: LaGlobal
          Forgive me of course for being rude

          Quote: LaGlobal
          Yes, no doubt that there are good examples. But there are few of them.
          You didn’t seem rude to me !!
          Do you have statistics ???
          It seems to me that you are deeply mistaken, on the contrary there are more good examples than negative ones !!
          And most importantly, they were adopted, those of whom no one was going to adopt in Russia, and mostly sick children and nivalids!
          Each of them took away the chance of happiness and future health!
          1. LaGlobal
            LaGlobal 25 December 2012 10: 11
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            Do you have statistics ???


            Here, unfortunately it is not.
          2. Viking
            Viking 25 December 2012 10: 47
            +9
            Quote: Yarbay
            And most importantly, they were adopted, those of whom no one was going to adopt in Russia, and mostly sick children and disabled people!

            Have you read the entire article, or only the headline, and then a sabotage and "cut" for the trampled truth?

            Quote from the article:

            The ignorance lies in the fact that over the past three years (I can answer for this period, which I work as an ombudsman for the President’s children) foreigners have taken in Russia 72% of all children taken out. These are children from 0 to 6 years, absolutely healthy.

            If we talk about disabled children, please: 2011 year. The Americans, who in the 2011 year brought almost 1000 children out of Russia, took the disabled child from 44. Is it a lot or a little? This is about 5%. This means that the Russians have adopted for the same year 188 children with disabilities in foster families. That is, even here we see that Russian citizens, it turns out, are taking more disabled children than Americans. ”


            Well?
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 December 2012 11: 32
              -2
              Quote: Viking
              You read the whole article,

              Have you read my koment ??))))
              And in general the article?)))))))))))))
              1. Viking
                Viking 25 December 2012 11: 49
                +8
                Quote: Yarbay
                And in general the article?)))))))))))))

                It's strange. In fact, this is where the issue is being discussed in the context of the facts given in the article. It is clearly written there, and the data were not given from the OBS agency, but by an official, that out of all adopted children of children with disabilities, only 5% of the state were adopted. The rest are healthy, normal children. So howl that amers only adopt children with disabilities and those who have no chance in Russia is insolvent. And by the way, this is only one of the points of the law. For which every "levozashchintnaya" bastard just grabbed his teeth and raised a howl.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 25 December 2012 13: 16
                  -4
                  Quote: Viking

                  Strange.

                  Nothing strange, I just expressed my attitude in general to the adoption of this law, and not to the article !!
                  Quote: Viking
                  So howling that amers adopt only disabled children and those who have no chance in Russia is untenable

                  The meaning of my koment suddenly, even if at least one child is happy, then we need to help this, if at least one is unhappy it is necessary to prevent this!
                  Something earlier, the leadership of Russia did not worry about children adopted in the USA !! When the children were killed there why were they silent ??
                  Why didn’t they pass the law?
                  This means that it is necessary that the Americans blot out their mistakes to remember the children ????
              2. LaGlobal
                LaGlobal 25 December 2012 13: 19
                +4
                Quote: Yarbay
                And in general the article?)))))))))))))


                well, yes...
                We all gathered here to drink beer drinks and demagoguery to breed wassat all runet
            2. Beck
              Beck 26 December 2012 11: 11
              +1
              Quote: Viking
              If we talk about children with disabilities, please: 2011 year. The Americans, who exported nearly 2011 children from Russia in 1000, took 44 disabled children from them. Is it a lot or a little?


              Yes, at least one child will be taken. This alone saves the whole WORLD in the minds of this child.

              Hypocrisy. Someone takes an orphan, and someone explains to others - Yes, that he took just one, if only 100.
          3. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN 25 December 2012 11: 49
            +3
            This is a lie ....... how many things were (you rewind a bit) as the head. orphanages and cunning lawyers for grandmothers sold children ...
          4. Trofimov174
            Trofimov174 25 December 2012 13: 25
            +13
            For 10 in the USA, 19 adopted children from Russia died due to improper care or intentional harm. Killed 19 children, almost 2 per year, but how many more facts of bullying Russian children? One leper from Alaska forced to eat spicy seasonings and stand in a cold soul for any fault. Another American family tortured Russian adopted daughters with sticks with nails, forced to run 15 kilometers a day and beat ... But! This is not the main reason for the ban on adoption, read the article carefully, there are three reasons:
            1) Inadequate punishment that the American court passed to several adoptive parents. Those examples that I cited, NONE of these adoptive parents were brought to criminal responsibility, they escaped with a fine.
            2) The American government HIDED from the Russian authorities the facts of violence and murder of children with Russian citizenship, the Russian ambassador to the United States found out about these events when they were widely disseminated in the American media.
            3) The refusal of the American government to cooperate with the Russian one in the field of preventing further murders and torture of Russian children by American adoptive parents. THE RUSSIAN INSPECTORS HAVE EVEN DID NOT PUT THESE ADOPTORS IN THE HOUSES.
            Therefore, this ban is not directed against American citizens who want to adopt Russian children, it does not try to rob our children of a happy childhood, because the ban is directed only against the United States, and does not prohibit adoption at all. Dima Yakovlev’s law is directed against the American political and judicial system in general and the American government in particular.
        2. nicht ferstehen
          nicht ferstehen 25 December 2012 14: 15
          -7
          Should you understand that the Russians, killing and mutilating adopted children in a much larger number than amers, are not
          Quote: LaGlobal
          vile and moral mutants
          ?
          1. LaGlobal
            LaGlobal 25 December 2012 16: 46
            +1
            Quote: nicht ferstehen
            Should you understand that the Russians, killing and mutilating adopted children in a much larger number than amers, are not


            I do not deny this, moreover, I strongly condemn such actions in relation to children, and even more so if these children are with any physical or mental disabilities. But over the past months, I have not heard something in the media about such crimes, in contrast to what happens in the same F-USA-stov!

            As my interlocutor told me today on this topic: "Give me statistics" ...
            1. nicht ferstehen
              nicht ferstehen 25 December 2012 18: 23
              +2
              Ok, I’ll remind you. Most recently, the story of the director of the Kemerovo orphanage, in which 3 children died in 27 years, passed through all the media. What was he like? Conditional term. In general, the statistics of incidents with foster children in Russia and the United States are simply not comparable. 19 incidents since 1996 - in America. In Russia, according to the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation (they were presented at a meeting of the State Duma Committee on State Construction and Constitutional Legislation), over the same time, fifteen hundred children were killed in foster families. In terms of the percentage of orphans, Russia is the world leader and only unbridled optimists from the State Duma can believe that we will cope with this problem on our own.
              I can also offer to get acquainted with the statistics in the publication http://www.kp.ru/daily/26003/2929677/?cp=13
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 25 December 2012 18: 30
                0
                nicht ferstehen, This is not about hospice, it was an hour. (where the children with cancer have their own time)?
                The director was blamed for the fact that his children died of cancer after the "enlargement of the orphanage" (it is logical that the statistics on deaths increased).
      2. Irkutsk
        Irkutsk 25 December 2012 09: 49
        +2
        Chesslov, you have broken my toy, I will trample yours. Well, amers cannot do anything without harm, but ours are so offended by something, even a suspicion of personal motives arises. it would be adequate to adopt a law of some kind of mop, which returns, but only on our part, the action of the law of the broom, since it is not beneficial to amers, means it is beneficial to us
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 December 2012 11: 50
          -4
          Quote: Irkutsk

          Chesslov, you have broken my toy, I will trample yours. Well, amers cannot do something without harm, but ours are so offended by something, even suspicion of personal motives arise

          That's right !!
          I probably repeat it was easier to punish those officials who committed a crime than to butt for them now !!!!
      3. Viking
        Viking 25 December 2012 10: 45
        +6
        Quote: Yarbay
        making a list of US war criminals would be much more effective,

        So it is necessary not only to look at 4 points (about children) that everyone pounced on, but the whole law as a whole. Since the main goal is to create such a list. With a subsequent ban on entry into the territory. Russia, conducting any business here, closing SEX US-funded (not even directly) NGOs in Russia engaged in political activities. This is what the focus of the law is.
    3. sefirs
      sefirs 25 December 2012 09: 42
      +4
      Yes, Putin himself will make anyone on any list. If you wish. bully
      A true politician should be able to do everything. lol
    4. scrack
      scrack 25 December 2012 19: 37
      +1
      Humpbacked America will only fix the grave
    5. Nicola
      Nicola 25 December 2012 22: 10
      +4
      In Russia, Astakhov notes, today all high-tech operations are being done for orphans - without any queues. Top cynicism! Lies to the whole world. They do not refuse treatment and are recorded in the queue. The patient either does not wait for the queue, dies, or pays for the full program. There is not enough money, is doomed. These are the realities of our country.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 25 December 2012 08: 40
    +8
    They would have included all the citizens of the countries on these lists, and they had not suffered. laughing
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 25 December 2012 09: 18
      +25
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Yes, all citizens of the countries would be included in these lists, and they wouldn’t suffer


      Where did Stalin go during his reign? - Stalin’s answer went only twice: to Tehran in 1943 and to Potsdam in 1945, and nothing happened to the country
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 25 December 2012 10: 24
        +7
        Vadivak,
        Greetings to Vadim! I think Putin will not get into trouble!
        As you know, after his inauguration, he threw a bolt at the amers, and went to Belarus!
        1. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 25 December 2012 11: 50
          +6
          A petition appeared on the White House website asking the US government to close the Coordination Council of the Russian opposition. The author is a certain Mark Feigin As the petition says, the reason is the ineffective use of US taxpayer money by the Constitutional Court. At 8 am Moscow time, 352 people signed it. The site of the white house was inundated with all kinds of spam and flooded with petitsa, now Omerikans have an idea of ​​who they contacted
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 25 December 2012 13: 59
          +9
          Quote: sergo0000
          I think Putin will not be upset!


          A good person has something to do in his own country,
      2. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 25 December 2012 10: 41
        -8
        Vadivak

        Vadim, I welcome you.
        Here I read the comments and am amazed - how, even our, "site", small, community, can be "split" with such "lists" ...
        He wrote already - well, after all, artificially, they create a conflict ... Question - WHO? ...

        Why should I blame the Americans ... when there are enough "friends" ...
        Well, what have these Tough-minded people achieved? ... Or they were given the go-ahead on purpose - "Go crazy!" ... The situation is driven into a stalemate. What for?..
        Putin, at one time, was clever about the "division between flies and cutlets" ...
        Something now ... flies, already in patties ... Does he need to maintain this list?
        Madhouse ...
        I feel that all this is not casual, but why, for what? ... Unknown - worries ... request hi
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 25 December 2012 14: 12
          +3
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          Vadim, I welcome you.
          Here I read the comments and marvel -


          Hello Anton, how many people have so many opinions, I’ll express my opinion, I need to live honestly, but fools are in the states, what we have unmeasured (people say that for a hundred years in our people) besides, don’t forget, there are money bags behind politicians, that for our current, for American, they all represent someone’s interests, at one time I was the head of the executive committee of EP, so there’s only business, and they do such things that, as Donna Rosa said, a decent couple would not stand five minutes, so each do not be upset
      3. Gecko
        Gecko 25 December 2012 10: 43
        +2
        God bless Russia to travel all over life :)
      4. Monge
        Monge 25 December 2012 11: 20
        +1
        I agree 100%. It amazes me how the deputies got mad about the ban on using the American banking system! Why don't they talk about it? Yes, it's just ridiculous how our legislators worry about their money! Your "honestly" earned under threat!
        1. ruton
          ruton 25 December 2012 11: 24
          +4
          I also do not understand all this screech due to entry into the states, asking what our officials forgot there, and what they want to do there?
        2. bddrus
          bddrus 25 December 2012 17: 36
          0
          Do you really think that it is so profitable to keep money in American banks?
      5. webdog
        webdog 25 December 2012 12: 06
        +20
        I read posts here and drew attention to the fact that it is VERY FASHION to criticize the current government and still give stupid advice, such as - let the deputies adopt children ...
        that's bullshit. everything should be a measure. it is not necessary to rush from one extreme to another. it is a direct sign of childhood, or a sign of the size of experience as a child ...
        try to reason like adults, then many eyes will open.
        I do not defend Putin or deputies.
        it is clear that much depends on the oligarchs and family members.
        but blaming all the deadly sins of the current government does not make sense.
        believe me, if Putin is scolded in the west, then he is moving the country in the direction we need. makes her strong and respected.
        as soon as the west begins to praise him, then everything is gone and Putin is disruptive to the country.
        Here is such a tricky indicator)))))
        so calm down, everything is going fine and in the right direction.
        and the freaks that have bred are gradually cleared out.
        here it’s not easy to manage a large enterprise, and even the largest country - and even more so.
        interestingly, the one who scolds the current government and who is sick of Putin’s photo (Westerners also feel sick), but do you have experience managing at least a holding of at least 20 thousand people?
        I can’t wait for an answer, apparently.
        Thank you all for your attention.

        here is a photo for you to feel sick faster, otherwise you’re tormented))))
        1. webdog
          webdog 25 December 2012 12: 20
          +9
          Thanks a lot to the Americans for this law, it will now be seen who is dependent on the states)))

          Why did I put a minus?
          He did not offend anyone, he essentially wrote everything, he did not deviate from the topic ...
          you better answer me essentially written.
          but apparently there is nothing to write back or letters at school, not all learned ...))))
          or there is no opinion of their own, but the opinion arises EXCLUSIVELY after receiving information and logical processing ...
          I see no reason to write to you empty. if you don’t answer for your minus, then you’re a loshara)))
          Thanks for attention.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 December 2012 12: 27
          +3
          Quote: webdog

          here is a photo for you to feel sick faster, otherwise you’re tormented))))

          Here's another one))))))))))
          Let them envy)))))))))
          1. webdog
            webdog 25 December 2012 12: 46
            +7
            can still show a photo of his president from the presidents of the former USSR? (not fat and slobbery and not a moron)
            I don’t want to offend anyone, it's just interesting.
            preferably a sports photo))))))
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 December 2012 12: 57
              -9
              Quote: webdog

              can still show a photo of his president from the presidents of the former USSR?

              I agree that it is insulting to you and I probably did unethical, but alas, I can’t delete it anymore !!
              If the moderators will not be offended I will not!

              Quote: webdog
              can still show a photo of his president from the presidents of the former USSR? (

              Believe me, I accept your remark, although I consider it as President of Russia Putin incapable and out of place !!
              1. webdog
                webdog 25 December 2012 13: 28
                +19
                incapable and out of place presidents of the country for 12 years from a complete jo..you do not pull out.
                or did the country itself suddenly become better and more powerful?
                can not answer.
                while Putin and the authorities in general in Russia are scolded from the west-that means we are going the right course!)))))))))
                as soon as they begin to praise (it was in the 90s), then everything was gone)))
                there is no president in the world who would be happy with everything, just as there is no such actor ... someone likes it, and someone feels sick)))
                I think so.

                remember the 90s and don’t say that it was a democracy. it was a complete pi..pec

                Messrs. liberals and democrats, do you want to come back to such a "future"?
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 25 December 2012 13: 32
                  -14
                  Quote: webdog
                  incapable and out of place presidents of the country for 12 years from a complete jo..you do not pull out.

                  So in full jo.pe so far !!!!
                  Quote: webdog
                  or did the country itself suddenly become better and more powerful?

                  How did she become more powerful ??? became even weaker!
                  They fell apart and fall apart, something that Yeltsin did not have time to !!
                  The fact that oil has become more expensive is not Putin’s merit !!!
                  But even having such opportunities did nothing for the future !!
                  Chubais is still a minister, Gorbachev is free, Serdyukov is an effective manager, thieves are stealing, nepotism is flourishing !!
                  There is something to rejoice))))
                  1. webdog
                    webdog 25 December 2012 13: 43
                    +11
                    read the statistics, strain your brain, analyze the numbers. conclude.
                    and after that talk about what has changed.
                    and don’t repeat the hackneyed phrases of Westerners about the fact that the price of oil is not Putin’s merit.
                    he does not attribute this to merit. he already has enough of them. real ones.
                    be reasoned ...
                    ready for a dialogue with the use of numbers from statistics for the period 1998 - 2012? or did you move right away, dear?
                    I thought so - eat it. otherwise, you will face a complete fiasco, unless of course do not engage in lengthy discussions on the subject of some nonsense)))
                    Thanks for attention.
                    but minus they set me in vain. however, as you please.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 25 December 2012 13: 49
                      -11
                      Quote: webdog
                      and don’t repeat the hackneyed phrases of Westerners about the fact that the price of oil is not Putin’s merit.
                      he does not attribute this to merit.

                      Yes, and no other merit !!!
                      What has changed ?? They don’t steal ??? The poor began to live better ,,, corruption officers in prisons ??? You did not answer my questions !!

                      Quote: webdog
                      ready for a dialogue with the use of numbers from statistics for the period 1998 - 2012?
                      If Yeltsin would have been the same statistics !!!!
                      1. webdog
                        webdog 25 December 2012 15: 04
                        +4
                        Yarbay, I thought that you won’t use numbers from statistics ...
                        and embark on lengthy discussions on the subject of some nonsense)))
                        so it happened, unfortunately ...
                        but I dreamed that we would have a dialogue with the Swami, a discussion, you see ...
                        in short, I moved off the topic ... and started so well.
                        can you risk it all and use specific numbers?
                        no? Well, of course, they will not be given in your favor ...
                        you are just an ordinary GOVORILKIN))))) this nickname is more suitable for you.
                        I don’t see any reason to communicate in vain with you, because there is little sense and you can’t answer for your words. and you are not alone here on the forum)))
                        Thanks for attention.
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 25 December 2012 16: 21
                        -5
                        Quote: webdog
                        Yarbay, I thought that you won’t use numbers from statistics ...
                        and embark on lengthy discussions on the subject of some nonsense)))
                        Where lengthy reasoning, unlike you, I write much shorter,since you still could not answer my questions !!
                        And statistics and figures under Yeltsin would be the same !!
                        Those thieves and corrupt officials at the helm, incomes for gas and oil have changed in the direction of increase !!!!
                        Quote: webdog
                        you are just an ordinary GOVORILKIN)))))

                        In my opinion you are so !!
                        Quote: webdog
                        I don’t see the point of talking to nothing with you,
                        You do not see the point, because you have nothing to answer !!
                        Quote: webdog
                        for it is of little use, but you cannot answer for your words

                        I answered for my words, but you blah blah blah !!!
                        Where is Gorbachev ?? Where is Chubais? The poor have become poorer, the rich are richer !!
                        Serdyukov is an effective manager !!
                        Skrynik honest communist? And so on and so forth))))))))))))))))))))
                      3. LaGlobal
                        LaGlobal 25 December 2012 17: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        What has changed ?? Do not steal ??? The poor began to live better ,,, corruption in prisons?


                        There was corruption in Russia even under the kings, and those who were very close to them tried their best. And in the USSR the same situation was and will be!

                        Or do you think that in other countries this corruption is not? YES she just doesn’t make public ...

                        They steal somewhere more, somewhere less.
                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 December 2012 19: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: LaGlobal
                        There was corruption in Russia even under the kings, and those who were very close to them tried their best. And in the USSR the same situation was and will be!

                        There was no such situation under the USSR !!
                        Thieves and corrupt officials pissed in their pants at night !!
                        You may not have seen, but I remember very well that the scale of this lawlessness was hundreds of times smaller and any worker could put a minister in his place if he stole !!
                        Quote: LaGlobal
                        They steal somewhere more, somewhere less.

                        If it hurts you, please enjoy having you !!
                  2. LaGlobal
                    LaGlobal 25 December 2012 17: 15
                    +7
                    The fact that oil has become more expensive is not Putin’s merit !!!


                    Far from it! Will explain:
                    Under Yeltsen, WE received approximately 4-6% of all hydrocarbon production. While the same Africa had its percentage in 5 times more?

                    And WE have become better not because oil has become more expensive, but because a competent, courageous and PATRIOT OF YOUR COUNTRY has come (I think you know who I am).

                    + to whom should we be thankful that OUR COUNTRY has not broken up into nice little pieces? - answer! I will be very grateful.

                    PS A lot can be discussed on this topic and politics in general. There will always be supporters and opponents, there will always be people for and against, there will always be those whose hands itch in order to make us in OUR COUNTRY!

                    I LOVE HER!
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 26 December 2012 19: 35
                      0
                      Quote: LaGlobal

                      PS A lot can be discussed on this topic and politics in general. There will always be supporters and opponents, there will always be people for and against, there will always be those whose hands itch in order to make us in OUR COUNTRY!

                      I LOVE HER!
                      Loving the homeland and corrupt officials and thieves feeding in power is not the same thing, completely different things !!
                      Quote: LaGlobal
                      to whom should we be grateful that our COUNTRY has not broken up into nice little pieces? - answer! I will be very grateful.

                      And how would it have broken up ??? This is all the propaganda of Putintsev !!!!
                      1. El13
                        El13 27 December 2012 13: 23
                        +1
                        Alibek, how you were replaced ...
                2. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 25 December 2012 15: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: webdog
                  gentlemen liberals and democrats, do you want to go back to such a "future"


                  And what does the photo from the opposition Belarusian press have to do with it? Do you have anything to do with Salidarnasst?
                3. LaGlobal
                  LaGlobal 25 December 2012 17: 08
                  +1
                  I think so.


                  You think correctly! I support and fully agree!
              2. Viking
                Viking 25 December 2012 17: 13
                +9
                Quote: Yarbay
                ot and I consider as the President of Russia Putin incapable and out of place !!

                And who will you forgive me for that? Russian citizen? Voter? I've voted for him as an example, and I think that he is in his place! And I have the right to think so!
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 26 December 2012 19: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Viking
                  And who will you forgive me for that?

                  I am a man who believes that only Russia can stop the chaos that now exists in the world !!
                  Quote: Viking
                  I've voted for him as an example, and I think that he is in his place! And I have the right to think so!

                  Is it your right, did I contest it ??
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 25 December 2012 14: 17
          +2
          Quote: webdog
          Do you have any experience managing at least a holding of at least 20 thousand people?

          I’ve been working in this for 8 years, the head eventually strangled the office, a lie, left-wing companies, a wild lender, only banks over a billion, suppliers and even more, Cargill threw a million bucks in the State Duma now, promises a bright future
          1. webdog
            webdog 25 December 2012 15: 12
            +10
            Vadivak, I was interested did you manage the holding? and you worked there, so again you saw only the tip of the iceberg. your iceberg cracked and sank.
            and Russia is gaining strength and bringing her adversary to hysteria)))
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 25 December 2012 16: 36
              +1
              Quote: webdog
              I was interested did you manage the holding?


              What am I a thief? Of course not,
        4. Papakiko
          Papakiko 25 December 2012 15: 30
          -7
          In your life and thinking, everything is according to the principle "A husband beats his wife, that means he loves." ???

          Quote: webdog
          I read posts here and drew attention to the fact that it’s VERY FASHION to scold the current government and still give stupid advice, such as - let the deputies adopt children ... this is nonsense. everything should be a measure. it is not necessary to rush from one extreme to another. it is a direct sign of childhood, or a sign of the size of experience as a child ...


          Personally, I believe that public people (officials, deputies, oligarchs, etc. "a successful hanger-saw
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 27 December 2012 15: 38
            0
            Good "minus".
            The text was lost during placement, the idea in the text did not materialize.
        5. 11Goor11
          11Goor11 25 December 2012 15: 57
          +7
          webdog
          Do you have any experience managing at least a holding of at least 20 thousand people?

          +++++++
          It's not only difficult to understand with your small furniture company with 10 employees, even with your family it’s not easy, and sometimes you need to kick yourself to do the necessary work. laughing
          And if you read some of the "tovarisches", they are simply both the president and the parliament in one person.
        6. Viking
          Viking 25 December 2012 16: 40
          +11
          Quote: webdog
          if Putin is criticized in the west, then he is moving the country in the direction we need. makes her strong and respected.
          as soon as the west begins to praise him, then everything is gone

          I fully support! Who were the favorites of the West? Gorby the traitor (the best German) and Borka the alcoholic. The West loved them, praised them, and spoke and wrote all sorts of "goodness" about them. And Russia at this time was rapidly sliding into the abyss. Remained some several years, and in the place of modern Russia there could well be several completely independent (and possibly conflicting) states. Which of course the West (the United States in the first place) would be very happy.
          And if a person doomed by power does something for the good of our country, then in the west there is a howl and a moan against him. True indicator, I agree!
          You can also look at our local "human rights activists" - if they raised a howl and hi, then something good is being done for Russia. After all, they grit their teeth with anger if something good happens in "this country" (as they like to say), for its good and development. Such a fucking seed ...
          1. mabuta
            mabuta 25 December 2012 20: 13
            +3
            I’ll add a little to your comment: p.i.nd.do.s.you have already trampled, would be our land as the only guarantors of the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons.
    2. nicht ferstehen
      nicht ferstehen 25 December 2012 14: 23
      +6
      My personal opinion on this matter does not coincide with either the opinion of the authorities or the opinion of the opposition. I believe that the restriction on movement from both our and the American side is quite a positive development. Moreover, if it was possible to create a base of persons "non grata" under the auspices of the UN, then this would greatly help to fight corruption in all countries.
      1. Viking
        Viking 25 December 2012 16: 43
        +5
        The UN in its current form is practically a fiction on which little depends. Sometimes used as a cover for the "restoration of democracy". But no, so amers and perfectly manage without it.
        1. webdog
          webdog 26 December 2012 01: 39
          +4
          Allen Dulles (1893-1969) has been with the US CIA since its inception in 1947. In 1942-1945 led political intelligence in Europe. Director of the CIA in 1953-1961. The ideologist of the Cold War, one of the organizers of intelligence activities against the USSR and other socialist countries.

          The war will end, everything will settle and settle. And we will give up everything we have: all gold, all material power and fooling and fooling people!

          The human brain, the consciousness of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we quietly replace their values ​​with false ones and make them believe in these false values. How? We will find our like-minded people, our allies in Russia itself.

          Episode by episode will be played out with a grandiose scale tragedy of the death of the most rebellious people on earth, the final and irreversible fading of their self-consciousness. For example, from art and literature we will gradually erase its social essence; wean artists and writers - we will discourage them from engaging in the depiction and study of those processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theaters, cinema - everything will depict and glorify the most base human feelings.

          We will do our best to support and raise the so-called artists who will instill and hammer into the human mind the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in a word, all immorality. In government, we will create chaos and confusion.

          We will quietly, but actively and constantly promote tyranny of officials, the prosperity of bribe takers and unscrupulousness. Bureaucracy and red tape will be elevated to virtue. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and will not be needed by anyone, will turn into a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples - first of all, enmity and hatred of the Russian people - we will cultivate all this adroitly and inconspicuously, it will bloom terry color.

          And only a few, very few will guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn into a laughingstock, we will find a way to slander them and declare them a scum of society. We will wrest spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of people's morality.

          We will shatter thus, generation after generation. We will take on people from childhood and youth, and we will always make the main bet ON YOUTH - we will decompose, corrupt and corrupt it. We will make cynics, vulgarities and cosmopolitans of it.

          the plan is working. look back at those who surround you in life and here on the forum ...
  3. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 25 December 2012 08: 41
    +23
    Au McCain add me to the list
    I am categorically against the adoption of RUSSIAN CHILDREN by Americans by SADISTS and PERFECTS.
    1. Hon
      Hon 25 December 2012 09: 11
      +4
      “I remember tiny rooms and the smell of cabbage” is from the memories of Tatiana McFadden, a Russian girl adopted at the age of 6 by Deborah McFadden, a "pervert" from Clarksville, Maryland. Now Tatiana is the champion of the Paralympic Games in London, she was born disabled in St. Petersburg and was abandoned by her parents (not perverts) !!! "Probably, I would not have survived in that orphanage" - said Tatiana in an interview.
      1. FREGATENKAPITAN
        FREGATENKAPITAN 25 December 2012 11: 53
        +4
        of course ........ because cabbage is the greatest evil on earth ........ the girl was brought up in the "right" way ...... - everything is Russian-G ++++


        And yet ....... we had more gold than American at the Paralympics ........ where did they, our champions, grow? Not in Russia? Survived however ..... despite the cabbage
        1. Hon
          Hon 25 December 2012 17: 35
          -2
          The question is not Russian or not Russian, children can find parents, but now there will be fewer than 1,5 thousand such children a year.
    2. Nickname
      Nickname 25 December 2012 09: 27
      -10
      But what about the Russian SADISTS and PERFORMERS?
      1. lechatormosis
        lechatormosis 25 December 2012 09: 39
        +13
        Nickname
        FOR Russian sadists and perverts, there should definitely be a STALIN ARTICLE - Shot on the scene of a crime am
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 25 December 2012 10: 03
          +5
          Quote: lehatormoz
          FOR Russian sadists and perverts, there should definitely be a STALIN ARTICLE - Shot on the scene of a crime

          I support! Moreover, I am also inclined to the idea that parents who abandon their child in the hospital (the reasons do not matter) must be sterilized by force, so that they would think ten times before doing this ...
          1. Hon
            Hon 25 December 2012 11: 07
            -1
            When a disabled person is born in Russia, even before birth they start to persuade parents to leave him, it’s not easy for mothers to persuade him, but also persuasion, saying why do you need this, give birth again, you won’t manage, etc. At the same time, no one talks about families who have not abandoned their children no matter what !!!
          2. Starksa
            Starksa 25 December 2012 11: 13
            0
            draconian measures, but I agree, but it is unlikely that they will do this, this is a "violation of human rights", then this will begin, so the tin
      2. Uruska
        Uruska 25 December 2012 11: 38
        +2
        I have not heard that Russian sadists and perverts adopt children with disabilities ...
    3. omsbon
      omsbon 25 December 2012 09: 31
      +4
      Plus, boldly add me to this list right after lekhatormaz!
      Perverts and children are two completely incompatible concepts.
  4. Bykov.
    Bykov. 25 December 2012 08: 43
    +3
    “I am sure that this is not anti-Russian, but pro-Russian law. This law was adopted in the interests of the people of Russia, which deserves a much better share. "

    McCain, this is a toad, and so, his children took care of him.
  5. Deniska999
    Deniska999 25 December 2012 08: 55
    0
    And we will answer Obama and there will be an endless war of lists)))))))))))))))
  6. Chapaev
    Chapaev 25 December 2012 09: 06
    -3
    The deputies are fools. They wanted to give an "adequate answer", least of all thinking about Russian children, but in the end they themselves got hit on the head. Here are just amers not only deputies had to be brought in, but also all their relatives, up to the second cousins ​​of the wife's grand-nephews.
  7. Cavas
    Cavas 25 December 2012 09: 07
    +11
    War Lists: Putin - in the "Magnitsky Act"!


    School of American freestyle wrestling - the worst make faces and fart louder.
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 25 December 2012 09: 32
      +5
      Quote: Cavas
      loud fart.


      They only know how ...
      1. Monge
        Monge 25 December 2012 11: 31
        0
        Let's not underestimate the likely adversary. And how to treat a potential adversary, if not with respect, then politely.
        1. Cavas
          Cavas 25 December 2012 12: 04
          +7
          Quote: Monge

          Let's not underestimate the likely adversary. And how to treat a potential adversary, if not with respect, then politely.

          You are to me, please, politely and respectfully, and I - how it goes ...
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 25 December 2012 12: 22
            -3
            Quote: Cavas
            You are to me, please, politely and respectfully, and I - how it goes ...

            and if it doesn’t work out))))))))))))))))))))))
            1. Cavas
              Cavas 25 December 2012 13: 25
              +5
              Quote: Yarbay
              and if it doesn’t work out))))))))))))))))))))))

              Let's go the other way!)))
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 25 December 2012 13: 40
                -1
                Quote: Cavas
                Let's go the other way!)))

                Mlyn above it was necessary to take the sight)))))))))))))))))))
                1. Cavas
                  Cavas 25 December 2012 13: 44
                  +5
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Mlyn above it was necessary to take the sight)))))))))))))))))))

                  What for? laughing
                  Into an eye and was tagged !. wassat
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 25 December 2012 14: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: Cavas
                    What for?
                    Into an eye and was tagged !.

                    I thought between the eyes, on the forehead))))))))))))))))))))))
          2. Monge
            Monge 25 December 2012 12: 26
            0
            Cavas,
            Good approach, but only for a small street fight. Approximately this level. Using foreign cinema as an example ... eh ... patrio-o-o-o-t ..
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 25 December 2012 12: 44
              -1
              Quote: Monge
              eh ... patrio-oooh.

              in the sense of a patriot, is it really bad?))))))))))))))
              1. Monge
                Monge 25 December 2012 13: 16
                +4
                Just an example of an American or partially Chinese actor for a citizen of another state seems odious in this case. I got used to studying the USA as a probable opponent from my studies at the LNVMU. A patriot is good, but making faces ... A funny article on the site of the writer-marine painter Alexander Pokrovsky dedicated to this topic.
                1. Cavas
                  Cavas 25 December 2012 13: 36
                  +4
                  Quote: Monge
                  I got used to studying the USA as a probable opponent from my studies at the LNVMU. Patriot is good, but making faces ...

                  What is it, nЭtriot with a nickname Monge trying to teach me life! wassat
                  And how are you doing with a potential adversary?
                  Judging by the nickname you won!))) laughing
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 25 December 2012 13: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: Monge
                  Just an example of an American or partially Chinese actor for a citizen of another state seems odious in this case

                  In this case, this is an example of an international approach to large-scale problems)))))
                  Quote: Monge
                  I’m used to studying the USA as a probable opponent from my studies at the LNLMU

                  and I'm from school))))))))))
              2. Cavas
                Cavas 25 December 2012 13: 21
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                in the sense of a patriot, is it really bad?))))))))))))))

                Alibek, in his opinion, I should dress and put on shoes only in the products of the Bolshevichka and Skorokhod factories! laughing
                A ride on the UAZ Patriot. wassat

                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 25 December 2012 13: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: Cavas
                  in his opinion, I should dress and put on only the products of the Bolshevichka and Skorokhod factories!
                  A ride on the UAZ Patriot.

                  Otherwise...........................
                2. Ustas
                  Ustas 25 December 2012 14: 12
                  +2
                  Cavas,
                  And why didn’t you please the felt boots? Now in such frosts the shoes are the most !!!!!!!!!!
                  1. Cavas
                    Cavas 25 December 2012 14: 19
                    +2
                    Quote: Ustas
                    And why didn’t you please the felt boots? Now in such frosts the shoes are the most !!!!!!!!!!

                    Who would argue. not me. good
  8. Flying Dutchman
    Flying Dutchman 25 December 2012 09: 13
    +10
    I would love to see how our deputies and their senators clashed wall to wall.
  9. Chapaev
    Chapaev 25 December 2012 09: 13
    -4
    What can our corrupt bureaucrats give to orphans and the disabled? The vast majority of children are getting on their feet thanks to parents who, in addition to parental feelings and guardianship, will also help to enter a university (pay for their studies) and find a good job. What can orphans count on? From boarding to ptu and dorm? This is at best. And nobody needs people with disabilities anyway, our society is hostile to them. How many of these children could grow into the right and true members of society in the usa? And there is no need to breed snot about patriotism and citizenship of another country. They are much happier there than our Russian people with disabilities, hungry and cold.
    1. lechatormosis
      lechatormosis 25 December 2012 09: 21
      +13
      don't fool us
      In the USA there are enough thugs
      These necessary members of society in the United States with a clear conscience bomb foreign countries
      and they will bomb our country - and I don’t want it to be a child who grew up in the USA was from RUSSIA.
      As for the deputies for their sins, they should be responsible according to OUR LAWS (let it be bad so far) and not according to the MAGNETSKY LISTS (whose reputation is also very unclean)
      1. Chapaev
        Chapaev 25 December 2012 09: 29
        -4
        Is propaganda brainwashed? Nobody will bomb us already. And without war, they have everything they want. And Americans, and Chinese, and Caucasians, not to mention our crooks and thieves, for whom children with disabilities are no more than just a reason to PR
        1. lechatormosis
          lechatormosis 25 December 2012 09: 35
          -1
          Chapaev am you seem to have no brains at all
        2. sergo0000
          sergo0000 25 December 2012 10: 42
          +4
          Chapaev,
          It’s not worth the whole Russian people to judge by themselves!
      2. Mikado
        Mikado 25 December 2012 09: 50
        -7
        According to our laws, they will never answer for their sins. How much money and time they spent and what hype they raised when they took our corrupt officials Borodin, Adamov out of the overseas tours, returned them and immediately released them, I think the authorities will not remember ordinary citizens in foreign prisons. It generally surprises me how TV drives the people and how many are being conducted, that you are being infringed on the sovereignty of Russia, several officials are not allowed to spend money in the USA! This is flagrant lawlessness on the part of the United States, a violation of all moral and ethical standards. And then we give them a symmetrical answer - we will not let their perverts adopt our children, let them be adopted by our perverts. What are these people? There was a normal proposal, to create a list of those related to Guantanoma, a perfectly rational answer, no need to be perverted. Yes, let all these deputies with ministers and their relatives be included in this list, it will be more useful for Russia.
        1. Viking
          Viking 25 December 2012 11: 52
          +2
          Quote: Mikado
          There was a normal proposal, to create a list of those related to Guantanoma, a perfectly rational answer

          Read the whole law, and not just what the magazines present to you. Such a list (and not only for Guantanomo) will be compiled precisely in accordance with this law.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 25 December 2012 14: 24
            -1
            Well, they would have made it up a long time ago and accepted, why should I still forbid children from adopting, I don’t understand, can you explain?
        2. FREGATENKAPITAN
          FREGATENKAPITAN 25 December 2012 11: 58
          +7
          You see, you don’t even understand the essence of Magnitsky’s law .... it’s not about the money of deputies-officials ......
          The ONY states decide who is to blame or not to blame in a foreign country!
          Even before the trial, criminals are appointed!

          And they are not defending deputies here. and freedom and independence of RUSSIA ....

          In Germany and Switzerland, medicine is no worse ........ no one forbids them to adopt disabled people
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 25 December 2012 14: 40
            -1
            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            You see, you don’t even understand the essence of Magnitsky’s law ...


            Of course I don’t understand, absolutely

            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            The ONY states decide who is to blame or not to blame in a foreign country!


            They decide for themselves who to let into their country, who not, whose assets to freeze, whose not, this is their country and they decide what will happen to THEM. You are not outraged that you will not be allowed to go to some Switzerland if your income is below a certain amount? How so? They decide who the rogue is in a foreign country! who is a drug addict, who is a potential criminal !!! Other countries, including Russia, decide in the same way, whom to let in, who are not, have we never seen how people are deployed at the border?

            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            Even before the trial, criminals are appointed!


            It's ridiculous, right, you pecked Taburetkin before the trial, summed up under the firing squad, like Red and Pyatnisty, and now you are indignant that the United States imposes sanctions before the trial? There are some double standards.

            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            it’s not about the money of deputies-officials ......

            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            And they are not defending deputies here. and freedom and independence of RUSSIA ....


            this is a clinic ...


            Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
            In Germany and Switzerland, medicine is no worse ........ no one forbids them to adopt disabled people


            and here your "knowledge" of the law of "Dima Yakovlev" has surfaced. Read the sixth article of the law.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 25 December 2012 09: 30
      +7
      Quote: Chapaev
      How many of these children could grow into the right and true members of society in the usa?

      Less, just for this one phrase.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 25 December 2012 09: 37
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Less, just for this one phrase.



        Greetings, Alexander! hi

        his comrade under the nickname Chapaev has a short memory, just the other day a maniac in the USA shot a lot of children. If they cannot save their children, how is it asked how the Russian children will be saved!? IMHO
        1. Chapaev
          Chapaev 25 December 2012 09: 58
          0
          And the plot, where the parents kept the boy down with cattle you have not seen? Do you have accurate data on child mortality in the usa and in Russia? It’s stupid to argue that in all civilized countries, including the United States, the conditions for orphans and the disabled are much better than ours
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 25 December 2012 10: 07
            +3
            Quote: Chapaev
            catches for orphans and the disabled are much better than ours


            so take your bureaucrats by the throat or you suggest me to do it request
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 25 December 2012 10: 00
          +3
          Quote: Apollon

          comrade under the nickname Chapaev, short memory

          Hi Apollo, I see. I wrote that I wrote nonsense to correct the comment
        3. sergo0000
          sergo0000 25 December 2012 12: 34
          -1
          Apollo,
          Quote: Apollon
          .If they can’t save their children, then how is it asked how to save the Russian children!? IMHO

          A bullseye colleague!
        4. nicht ferstehen
          nicht ferstehen 25 December 2012 14: 52
          -8
          If we recall how we saved our people in Beslan, then all the Russian children need to be sent to the west until late
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 25 December 2012 10: 13
        +10
        Sanya, I support your opinion. Real members in America are no longer grown, one homosexual!
    3. DIME
      DIME 25 December 2012 09: 32
      +22
      I will answer, because in the 10th grade of high school I lost my parents and I know a few more orphans that the state gave us:
      1. Preferential admission to any university at any department outside the competition (it is enough to pass exams not for 2)
      2. Various payments (including from the university), which in the amount of about 20k were collected per month (this is the period from 2001 to 2007)
      3. If the child does not have a living space, an apartment is allocated to him. I heard about scandals when terrible apartments were given to children, but personally, a girl in my acquaintance was allocated an apartment in Moscow.
      4. After graduation, they gave me a lift of about 70k rubles.

      Now I am an engineer of the first category at a state-owned enterprise, I am engaged in radar-related topics and am fully self-sufficient.
      So I don’t know if this is how the United States is “saving” us .....
    4. DYMITRY
      DYMITRY 25 December 2012 09: 42
      +11
      Quote: Chapaev
      From boarding to ptu and dorm? It is at best

      I have neighbors, Married couple - children’s home. The state allocated them a three-room apartment. In Yekaterinburg, where housing prices are not much inferior to Moscow. And in the area where I live (Parkn microdistrict), generally the prices of space apartments. Normal absolutely guys age about 30 years. Both have specialized secondary education. Husband works as a machinist in a factory, earns a shock. Wife is a housewife, a third child was recently born. And they, unlike you, perfectly represent the real situation in children. houses, and with social adaptation, etc. That is just what they have to our state only a feeling of great gratitude. So put on a white ribbon, and go get the status of a foreign agent !!! The throw-in is not protected !!! [
      1. Chapaev
        Chapaev 25 December 2012 10: 00
        -4
        Did you invent this "touching" story or read it on the Kremlin's website?
        1. DIME
          DIME 25 December 2012 10: 11
          +12
          Read my comment above. Provide passport data?
          Well, mine: Kostyuchik Dmitry Alexandrovich, born in 1986, graduated from MSTU named after NE Bauman with a degree in Radar.
          This is first hand truth.
          Do you even know one orphan? They transferred money to the orphanage, went there to help?
          Just chat and much ....
          1. Chapaev
            Chapaev 25 December 2012 10: 29
            +1
            There is no orphan, I know a disabled person, a girl. Lives in the town of 10 thousand population. The house is a rickety two-story hut with creaking floors. With battles, she knocked out a stroller. She cannot leave her house on her own, since it is impossible to move out of the stairs. You can’t drive on the streets in winter - snowdrifts, paths. Occupation - writes articles for sites. 000 years saved up for a trip to Paris for the disabled. And there, they have - such people live normally, along with everyone. And we survive.
        2. Viking
          Viking 25 December 2012 10: 53
          +2
          Quote: Chapaev
          Did you invent this "touching" story or read it on the Kremlin's website?

          We are the fan here.
    5. Viking
      Viking 25 December 2012 10: 51
      +1
      Adopt a disabled child, and then proudly sticking out a cock's breast can teach life here.
  10. Apollo
    Apollo 25 December 2012 09: 17
    +10
    Good morning everybody! hi

    I would like to briefly state my thoughts regarding the war of lists.
    1: In my opinion, sprouts of a new Cold War have already appeared.
    2. Following the United States, similar countries (adopted in the United States) draft laws are being prepared by the countries of the European Union and Canada.
    3. State Duma representatives took the initiative to channel luxury tax funds to orphans and disabled people. Which incidentally (there is no bill yet).
    quote-The State Duma at a meeting on December 21 adopted in the final reading "Dima Yakovlev's law" with an amendment banning the adoption of Russian children by American citizens. A statement was also adopted on the preparation of a set of measures to create favorable conditions for the adoption of Russian children within the country.
    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20121224/916078011.html#ixzz2G2LahEYA

    4. Prokhorov said that he would allocate thousands of US dollars from personal funds for 50 to those families who adopt orphans or children with disabilities. There is no good initiative, BUT. First of all, you need to do this on state level.

    My question begs what you gentlemen, fellow deputies, prevented you from quickly preparing and accepting simultaneously with anti-magnetic law this set of measures.
    The state is now simply obligated to SHORT deadlines to pass legislation
    1. Adopt a law on allocating if you need a large amount of money to orphanages and for children with disabilities
    2. Adopt a separate law on the protection of the interests of orphans and children with disabilities.
    3. Introduce amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation at the legislative level to toughen penalties for sharing money with orphans and children with disabilities.
    4. Conduct reconstruction and overhaul of all homes for orphans and the disabled in need.
    5. Create an all-Russian fund for orphans and disabled children. Under special control of the president or prime minister.
    This is only part of the measures that I propose.
    1. His
      His 25 December 2012 11: 35
      +12
      The Cold War did not end. Bibisi propaganda has not changed its opinion of Russia. We used to be bad because we were advice, but now?
      It’s just that Russian civilization is a bone in the throat that doesn’t spit us out, cannot but swallow.
      The ideological war with Russia went on throughout its history. That we do not believe in that god, then we are barbarians, then we are backward, then we are vacation, etc. etc. Even Hitler went with all the united geyropa not on his own (England, USA), but on us for some reason.
      I did not hear that the Vatican during the war of fascism with us condemned them and called for a war with Hitler all believing Catholics.
      They will always fight with us, build defensive and offensive lines against us. Judging by its previous history, Russia will never have to relax in the future.
      1. Viking
        Viking 25 December 2012 14: 20
        +5
        Quote: Own
        We used to be bad because we were advice, but now?

        And even earlier, when we were the Russian Empire, we were also bad, because we were "barbarians", "savages", and "subhumans". The attitude of the West towards Russia can be seen since the days of the knight-dogs, the Crimean War (when "civilized" Britain, France and Turkish freaks pointed out the place of Russia - in the backyards). Britain is particularly good at these dastardly games. After the Second World War, this function of fighting the "Eastern barbarians" was transferred more to the United States. Although Britain is also generally not lagging behind. Take also the financing of terrorist groups in the Caucasus from the funds of British intelligence.
        And through the howl about how bad the adopted law was somehow forgotten on what grounds it was being adopted. The United States has arrogated to itself the right of "world gendarme" and does not want to change anything. They can name and put anyone, any person in the world. According to their laws, without any trial, the investigators have arrogated to themselves the right to call anyone a criminal, change governments, and the system in any country in the world (which is within their grasp).
  11. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 25 December 2012 09: 33
    +6
    Already with a * decree infuriates!

    I really want America to finally fall.
  12. citizens
    citizens 25 December 2012 09: 36
    +8
    If it were not for the "Magnitsky act", how many more would our children have died in America for the "Dima Yakovlev" law to appear !?
  13. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 25 December 2012 09: 40
    +2
    It’s charming how our lawmakers work, Yes, and the law was heatedly debated, And how the law that concerns us is completely discouraged, And they don’t mutter on the box, The Education Law that applies to everyone was secretly quiet although there are a lot of questions for it, It seems that MAGNITSKIY LIST no one has yet seen much hit the target, for the sake of this, our specialists, according to the laws, even go to violations of our agreements with the Americans in the field of children's rights, we ourselves sought to coordinate it and now what to go out, This energy is precisely on those laws that concern us all, And so some kind of theater, It is clear that someone knows who will be on that now famous list of Americans since there is such a fuss about him
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 25 December 2012 11: 49
      +1
      Quote: igor.borov775
      We ourselves sought to coordinate it and now what to go out, This energy is precisely on those laws that apply to us all


      The point is, my friend, what we were striving for - we were striving in the 90s. When the poor orphaned children with disabilities in those days there was nothing to do. And then "our partner" came to the rescue. BUT the situation that was observed all this time did not develop very well for those very children.
      1. igor.borov775
        igor.borov775 26 December 2012 10: 00
        0
        In all this fuss, I see only one useful aspect, Maybe the Duma will begin to truly adopt sensible laws and not just accept them on behalf of us, Only our laws should protect our rights, There should not be laws where one is more important than the other, This should be completely clean out of all laws, One principle must work, THE LAW OF SUROV - BUT HE LAW, THE SAME FOR ALL WITHOUT PROPERTY AND STATE OPPORTUNITIES, We do not live in the 19th century and it’s time to learn to answer for our crimes, Maybe the system will really start working for a simple Russian It’s not on itself. Perhaps this is the only way out of this situation,
  14. engineer74
    engineer74 25 December 2012 09: 47
    +4
    I remember that Texas residents also collected signatures under a petition from Obama to leave the United States. Who knows how it ended?
    1. igor.borov775
      igor.borov775 26 December 2012 09: 13
      0
      E should not be confused, a new agreement has been recently adopted, some kind of asymmetric answer doesn’t surprise you, Of course, it’s a shame that officials with our questions can get on the list of Yankees, I’m surprised by the whole state system only reacts clearly then when there are pressure on officials, And how many ordinary people of Russia are sitting in other people's prisons around the world, something is not heard that our authorities would be worried about them, Our legislation is so bad that a simple Russian is not taken into account there, Or is taken into account by a very interesting tariff Do not believe remember yourself the motor ship Bulgaria and you yourself can remember a lot of such facts, But the fact that MAGNITSKY had an American passport that they don’t really say, Our whole system that serves ordinary mortals got involved with him, They say that he worked for the Yankees, Where the interests of the Yankees and all the more financial interests the Yankees answer is predictable, I am offended by other laws by which we don’t discuss living like that quietly accepted and hello, And to us live him
  15. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 25 December 2012 09: 55
    +13
    With the current state of demography in the country, it is criminal to give our citizens into the wrong hands. After all, these children when they grow up will hate their true homeland. It is necessary to ensure decent living conditions for such children. The only negative point, in my opinion, is that before the adoption of this American law, our ghouls from the State Duma and other interested parties, the fate of these children was absolutely not worried. Yes, probably, and now does not care, so the situation looks rather vile.
    PS Personally, I am for the ban on adoption.
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 25 December 2012 11: 56
      +3
      Quote: Middle Brother
      With the current state of demography in the country, it is criminal to give our citizens into the wrong hands. After all, these children when they grow up will hate their true homeland.


      that’s why, now, those same legislators should think, and what should they think well, how to make better conditions for children who, for whatever reason, find themselves in this place and in this situation. To provide in the future all possible subsidies and make their childhood dream come true!

      By the way, the document was signed not by John, Mary and Jacob, but more and more by Pavel, Gregory, Ivan, Mikhail, Andrey, Alexandra, Eugene and other Yuri.


      Which is exactly what you said.
    2. 11Goor11
      11Goor11 25 December 2012 16: 50
      +1
      Middle-brother
      our ghouls from the State Duma and other interested parties, the fate of these children absolutely did not care. Yes, probably, and now does not care, so the situation looks rather vile.

      But you did not read it? There, a little higher? Somehow strange, the good that is, we are already used to not noticing.
      DIME Today, 09:32 ↑ new 16
      I will answer, because in the 10th grade of high school I lost my parents and I know a few more orphans that the state gave us:
      1. Preferential admission to any university at any department outside the competition (it is enough to pass exams not for 2)
      2. Various payments (including from the university), which in the amount of about 20k were collected per month (this is the period from 2001 to 2007)
      3. If the child does not have a living space, an apartment is allocated to him. I heard about scandals when terrible apartments were given to children, but personally, a girl in my acquaintance was allocated an apartment in Moscow.
      4. After graduation, they gave me a lift of about 70k rubles.

      Now I am an engineer of the first category at a state-owned enterprise, I am engaged in radar-related topics and am fully self-sufficient.
      So I don’t know if this is how the United States is “saving” us .....
  16. The gentleman
    The gentleman 25 December 2012 09: 58
    +2
    belissimo! well, where are these pseudo human rights defenders? where are those discontented who look at others but don’t try to solve their problems. It is in this situation that the real person shows international law that no one accepts. although the rules are imperative. and now it takes time to show how strong Russia has become
    1. bazilio
      bazilio 25 December 2012 12: 31
      +1
      Gentleman "it is in this situation that the real person shows international law that no one accepts. although the rules are mandatory"
      as has already happened, and often, the MP standards are of little concern to anyone. besides, do you not know that the principles of jus cogens themselves contradict each other. on the one hand, the act of Magnitsky is interference in the internal affairs of the Russian Federation (which is prohibited), on the other hand, the principle of protecting human rights (whether human rights were violated in fact I don’t know). even if the Magnitsky case is a violation of human rights, then by what right did the US Congress blame the defendants in this case and put them on the list? Well, as already by tradition, human rights concern the United States to a lesser extent than possible political benefits (if the card lays down successfully). and politics comes first, and Magnitsky and orphans are just a noble excuse
  17. Apollo
    Apollo 25 December 2012 10: 02
    +7
    The US authorities have responded to the petition to include Putin in the "Magnitsky list"

    WASHINGTON, 25 DECEMBER. American White House closes signature collection under a petition to include Russian President Vladimir Putin on the "black list" if he signs a ban on the adoption by Americans of children from Russia.


    Read more: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2012/12/25/1075649.html


    this was to be expected, the gut is thin laughing laughing laughing
  18. Chapaev
    Chapaev 25 December 2012 10: 03
    +1
    I’m just thinking, we are so eagerly discussing all of America here every day. I doubt very much that they are discussing Russia with the same persistence on an American site.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 25 December 2012 10: 11
      +1
      Quote: Chapaev
      I’m just thinking, we are so eagerly discussing all of America here every day. I doubt very much that they are discussing Russia with the same persistence on an American site.


      You are probably very naive or you don’t know English and didn’t go to their sites, they’re still discussing and, in addition, relishing it badly!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 December 2012 10: 15
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        , even as they discuss and, in addition, relish badly!

        Apollo, drop the link to the American site, I read the comments on what they write there.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 25 December 2012 10: 18
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Apollo, drop the link to the American site, I read the comments on what they write there.


          I'll throw it off in the evening I'm at work and there in English
        2. WW3
          WW3 25 December 2012 11: 53
          +1
          Skins link to amerovskie ABC News posted the sex adventures of amer diplomats in Moscow Russian 'Sex Tape' of American Diplomat savor the video
          http://abcnews.go.com/International/video?id=8652088
          and here is a selection of amerskie articles Russia ....
          http://abcnews.go.com/search?searchtext=Russia
          On the forums, let Apollo build links where relish Russia in the comments ...
  19. MG42
    MG42 25 December 2012 10: 04
    +2
    Russians adopt three times more children with disabilities, observes columnist “However,” D. Lyskov, than all foreigners combined, and 6,5 times more than Americans. Five leaders in the number of adoptions from Russia: USA, Spain, Italy, France, Germany.

    If we are talking about children with disabilities, only those who cannot be helped by domestic health care and who were not adopted by Russian citizens should be adopted, but of course there must be appropriate control so that the diagnosis is not falsified by the parents either.
  20. sergskak
    sergskak 25 December 2012 10: 09
    +8
    Here Mr. Head of the HRC Mikhail Fedotov writes:
    So it turns out that the children, our children turn out to be a bargaining chip in political games.
    And before that, they had been the object of sale for many years. The business turns out to be like that. And whoever is against the law is: all the faces are familiar. I’m looking at my snot again. Shevchuk will probably catch up (holds a pause). It would be nice if the Americans adopted more such laws and ours responded adequately. I like such a revival in our relations! This is only to the benefit of Russia. Yes, and it’s not boring.
  21. Locksmith
    Locksmith 25 December 2012 10: 23
    +4
    Something we have with this crazy democracy .. so many collaborators in the country divorced ??! They are ready to shove their country in the neck in general, even though they thought sometimes that it was OUR MOTHERLAND, and CANNOT DO THESE THINGS, but they thought it over to THE ENEMIES ADVISED THEIR COMPLIANTS TO DESTROY !! am
    1. Chapaev
      Chapaev 25 December 2012 10: 31
      +1
      To the enemies? Modern Russia has long had other enemies.
  22. Manager
    Manager 25 December 2012 10: 37
    -1
    This law of Dima Yakovlev, pure window dressing in order to cover up his so-called revenge with children. Stsuki they are over these politicians.
    1. cortel
      cortel 25 December 2012 11: 28
      -3
      Absolutely.
    2. His
      His 25 December 2012 15: 04
      +4
      No, just an opportunity to pay for dead children
    3. Viking
      Viking 25 December 2012 15: 30
      +3
      In addition to this paragraph (on children), there are others in the draft law. Do you know them, how do you feel about other points?
  23. babkvv2007
    babkvv2007 25 December 2012 10: 52
    -2
    how they care about our well-being!
    1. Viking
      Viking 25 December 2012 16: 23
      +5
      To what? Amer? Those, yes - are already overwhelmed with care. As at one time, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher (who is extolled to the skies in the West) without hesitation publicly stated that in the Soviet Union (then there was the USSR) it will be enough if the population remains 15 million people. The translator even asked her "maybe 50 million?" No! It is 15 million people. When the population was about 300 million! That's the whole west with a "human face". 285 million people in their opinion were just "extra ladies" or maybe "subhumans" who had no right to life.
  24. Ivan Mazyr
    Ivan Mazyr 25 December 2012 10: 53
    +5
    ,


    ,
    Quote: DIME
    If the child does not have a living space, an apartment is allocated for him

    ]
    In our region, at the end of their studies, children in an orphanage are given a certificate for housing in the amount of 2 ml. rubles. This amount is quite enough to buy a house or apartment and still have enough money for (the first time). So it’s not so bad about orphans in our country.
    1. DIME
      DIME 25 December 2012 11: 01
      +8
      I am writing about this. I myself am grateful to the state for the assistance provided.
      Well, I can also say from my own experience that everywhere the co-workers treated with participation (there are mostly women over 40), prompted and tried to help arrange everything correctly. So really in the minds of people, the situation seems worse than it really is.
  25. Sergg
    Sergg 25 December 2012 11: 00
    +4
    I understand that the Magnitsky Act is yet another attempt to point the finger at Russia. Now is not the 90s. It is necessary to respond toughly to such opuses of the American side.
    The State Duma has reacted harshly, this is already pleasing. I insist on paying attention to this. Although I am not a supporter of our Duma, I want to be objective.
    The law of Dima Yakovlev can be discussed separately.
  26. coleg-10
    coleg-10 25 December 2012 11: 03
    +2
    With the adoption of Russian children by foreigners, a lot of money is spinning, so some screamers support financial interest, and others political. To raise and educate young Russians is the direct duty of the state.
    1. Hon
      Hon 25 December 2012 11: 41
      -4
      Quote: coleg-10
      To raise and educate young Russians is the direct duty of the state.

      Our state is very responsible for its duties ...
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 25 December 2012 17: 24
        +3
        Hon (2) Today, 11:41 ↑ new
        Our state is very responsible for its duties ...

        How much sarcasm! But you could not help but read this:
        Ivan Mazyr Today, 10:53 new 3
        Quote: DIME
        If the child does not have a living space, an apartment is allocated for him
        ]
        In our region, at the end of their studies, children in an orphanage are given a certificate for housing in the amount of 2 ml. rubles. This amount is quite enough to buy a house or apartment and still have enough money for (the first time). So it’s not so bad about orphans in our country.

        That is, all the same, Russia - takes care of its children?
        And you, Hon, are still lying about "transatlantic kindness" and about Russian inhumanity.
        But what really happens in the USA
        US Child Mortality from Violence
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15288865
        http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/research-data-technology/statistics-research/

        child-maltreatment
        Here it is in Russian
        http://www.sdelanounih.ru/ssha-na-pervom-meste-sredi-razvityx-stran-po-nasiliyu-

        nad-detmi-v-2011-godu /
        In the United States counted 1 million homeless students.
        http://russian.rt.com/Society/2179
  27. Starksa
    Starksa 25 December 2012 11: 21
    +6
    you know, when the children died everyone was silent, and then, as the law came out immediately hysteria started, everyone suddenly became preoccupied with the children, and as I understand it, everyone now went and took one child for himself !? it’s the same ... Children should learn and be brought up exclusively in our country, because these are our citizens, there are so few of us. And those who are taken as a rule do not return, they become citizens of other countries, of course this is not profitable for our country.
  28. cortel
    cortel 25 December 2012 11: 24
    +4
    If you put aside emotions. Many thanks to the United States for Magnitsky’s list. Let them work so that you don’t have to dump them over the hill. The more deputies you add to the list, the better. Homes abroad, guest accounts abroad, guest workers, not legislators.
  29. Ivan Mazyr
    Ivan Mazyr 25 December 2012 11: 46
    +10
    But what Life News writes
    Relatives of Dima Yakovleva claim that they tried to secure custody of the child, but officials did everything to prevent the boy from staying at home. A rural family from the Russian hinterland lost the battle for a child with a rich American.

    According to the relatives of Dima Yakovlev, the adoption case was fabricated in favor of a foreign citizen. According to the Russian family of the child, officials threatened one of the boy’s grandmothers to take away the older granddaughter under guardianship, and they forged a statement about the abandonment of the baby to the second blind grandmother.

    The tragic story of Dima Yakovlev could not have happened if Russian officials allowed the boy's relatives to adopt him. Instead of allowing the child to grow up in their family, they preferred to give it to foreigners who killed the adopted child 4 months after adoption.

    On February 21, 2008, Dima Yakovlev was adopted by spouses Miles Harrison and Carol Lynn Exmann-Harrison. The family provided the guardianship authorities with positive characteristics. Miles Harrison, the CEO of the Project Solutions Group in Herndon, is portrayed as a caring family man in the documents. The only "dark spot" was the mark that Miles hadn't been in touch with his father for many years.

    July 8, one and a half year old Dima died when his adoptive father forgot him in the car for 9 hours in the 32-degree heat. The court acquitted Harrison for the murder of his adopted son.

    - I myself raised 5 daughters, and took Dima’s dad from my sister and raised her to her feet, - says Nadezhda Paukkonen. - And this baby would be raised. At first they told me that I was old to adopt a grandson, although I was only 59. And when she began to upholster the thresholds of officials, they threatened that they would take away her granddaughter Svetochka.

    Now the eldest sister of Dima Sveta is 8 years old, her mother Natalya Yakovleva left her as well as the boy in the hospital. Only the girl was lucky, the grandmother said that she was taking a bad-looking daughter-in-law with her granddaughter, which helped to establish custody.

    - I am offended by the state, by the guardianship authorities, because I did this to us. The child had to live. Svetochka still does not know how her brother died, he grows up, I’ll tell you everything. While I'm watching about him on TV and crying softly so that she doesn’t see, - continues Nadezhda.

    In the documents on the adoption of Dima Yakovlev, the guardianship authorities decided not to indicate that the boy has prosperous relatives who are ready to pick up the baby. Officials indicated that the boy’s only relatives are blind grandmother from the side of mother Zinaida Yakovleva. The sick woman could not compete with the wealthy American family in the battle for the child. But for reliability in the Dima case, documents appeared on the pensioner's refusal from his grandson.

    - I did not sign or refuse Dima. I’m blind, I can’t write, ”says Zinaida Yakovleva. - No one asked us. Even if I couldn’t lift it, the second grandmother and grandfather would certainly have done it.

    Doctors and social workers gave their consent to the adoption of Dima Yakovlev by US citizens by the Harrison spouses with the wording: "since this adoption is in the interests of the child and retains his right to live and be raised in a normal and loving family." None of them were responsible for the death of a child abroad.

    At the time of publication, it was not possible to receive a comment from representatives of guardianship and trusteeship bodies in the Pskov Region.
    1. sergskak
      sergskak 25 December 2012 17: 28
      +3
      And the guardianship authorities are generally a separate issue. It feels like there is a massive selection of children from the population (they will find a reason to choose and not help). Can they work to order or are they fulfilling the quarterly plan?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 25 December 2012 17: 34
        +3
        Quote: sergskak
        Can they work to order or fulfill the quarterly plan?

        Everything is much simpler. The amount of finances directly depends on the number of children under guardianship. Need to write, who manages the distribution of these allocated finances? wink
  30. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 25 December 2012 11: 48
    +9
    I have not read the Magnitsky law, and I have not seen the draft law of Dima Yakovlev either. I cannot objectively assess the situation, even if I read both: the main thing is not what is written on paper, the main thing is those underwater currents that served as the reasons for the adoption of these documents, but they are not known to me. And nevertheless I remain with my opinion: It is very bad that a Chilovek died in a pre-trial detention center. But how many people died before and after Magnitsky? Where were the USA and Geyropa earlier and later. They don't need Magnitsky. They need a reason and they found it. If it had not been, they would have found another. They sneezed at us and at democracy and at our freedom they sneezed. I do not think that Dima Yakolev's law is "cannibalistic", like - everything is gone, the plaster is removed, the client leaves ... I never considered amers to be the saviors of humanity and Russia in particular. You need to deal with your children yourself. The process seems to have started and that's good. But still, the Magnitsky law is good because our moneybags were slightly pinched down (although they will find where to go without the USA). But now you can look at the "rats" votche - voiced, earn authority. Judas has always been. But their end is known !!!
    1. Monge
      Monge 25 December 2012 12: 13
      +5
      Bravo! I agree! In my opinion, our deputies should have laughed in response to the threats of the Americans because they have nothing to fear. They all earned money honestly and how true patriots keep them in Russia. And in the USA they have nothing to do.
  31. Ivan Mazyr
    Ivan Mazyr 25 December 2012 11: 48
    +1
    Well, now who to believe?
  32. Leisure
    Leisure 25 December 2012 11: 51
    +1
    In our country, for the most part, poor poor people and it’s hard to raise their children, but this is not a reason to sell their young compatriots. If the state refused to sell children abroad, then the state must adequately support and treat them, there are many ways to do this. How much has been stolen from the budget, with this money all orphans in the country can be provided.
  33. Boris55
    Boris55 25 December 2012 12: 01
    +3
    Magnitsky was a lawyer defending the interests of the American billionaire, who became one of the plunder of our country. I don’t remember the billionaire’s surname, but it was he who dragged this law into the United States, which coincided with the repeal of the Jackson-Venik amendment, which, with Russia's entry into the WTO, prevented Americans from cashing in on Russia.

    Magnitsky’s law allows the United States to influence Russian politics.
    The Dima Yakovlev law allows Russia to influence US policy.

    What name this or that law is named does not matter much. This is "fun" for the crowd. Although ... they would have called, for example, the name of Booth - it would have sounded better, but I feel sorry for the man ... Someone with the name of the law specially planted a pig to distract from the very essence of the problem.

    Now think and answer: who for what would the Americans have us and who, for what we would have them?
    I believe that this is precisely the whole argument of some against the others.
  34. anchonsha
    anchonsha 25 December 2012 12: 03
    +7
    What a wave of liberalism has come from howling and moaning for orphans ... Here you and Sobchak and his boys, Makarevich, a musician who does not understand the life of foster children from Russia to the USA, Prokhorov, who owns clubs in the USA (this passed according to the law of Magnitsky to return the loot back) Shats of different stripes, but not Pratriots. Of course, Dima’s law should have been adopted completely separately and not now, but even earlier, awkwardness could have been avoided. But what happened, we harness for a long time, but we know how to ride. Our children and us to educate them.
    1. polly
      polly 25 December 2012 20: 58
      +1
      Well, Makarevich has recently just become a writer, so he throws letters! Maybe some of the "eminent" type Bykov composes, it hurts
      pompously: "... their deaths will fall on souls as a grave sin ..." Pip on your tongue! fool
  35. antinon
    antinon 25 December 2012 12: 05
    -1
    Hello.
    I read comments on this topic for several days, and here’s what’s interesting:
    1. Should Russia give an adequate answer to the Magnitsky list?
    I think that certainly yes. This is a list of individuals, citizens of the Russian Federation (in this case, I'm not talking about whether they are bad or good citizens), whose property can be selected on the territory of the SGA.
    2. Should we limit the adoption of children born on the territory of the Russian Federation to other countries that violate the rights of these same children?
    Absolutely yes!
    3. Do I support the law of "Dima Yakovlev", which combines both of these questions?
    NO. Let me explain why. The law of "Dima Yakovlev" is adopted as a response to the list of "Magnitsky", that is, it implies retaliatory measures to the introduction of visa and property restrictions for some citizens of Russia, and I absolutely do not understand where the children are here. ", then the children could be further adopted.
    I think that this law needs to be divided. Non-profit organizations and so on should be accepted, and the immediate ban on adoption be removed from the law, but the next step is to introduce a moratorium on adoption of children by citizens of the SGA until the rights of children adopted in Russia are truly respected and this could be checked, and most importantly representatives of Russia and diplomats influence this.
    This is how it is.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 25 December 2012 12: 46
      +1
      antinon [/ b
      Quote: antinon
      I think that this law needs to be shared

      Here, I agree with you !!! Many do not even see this, do not understand, perhaps ...

      I wrote above
      Quote: Z.A.M.

      Putin, at one time, was clever about the "division between flies and cutlets" ...
      Something now ... flies, already in patties ... Does he need to maintain this list?

      After all, all those who are against the "children's" list, by no means wanting to harm Russia and its children. We can educate ourselves - good. But what has the supposedly "symmetric" answer to the list of Americans who limited their rights, first of all, to adults who are in the civil service ... They are to blame, no-if - let the court decide, but at least the Hague ...
      In short, I agree with you.

      Quote: antinon
      on the territory of the SGA.

      By the way, "SGA", so Wasserman likes to say wink
  36. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 25 December 2012 12: 16
    +5
    Today the list of "Magnitsky" will be included, tomorrow they will call in their court and then they will impose sanctions, and the end result is that they will be killed like Libya. It is necessary to answer harshly, and also to the death penalty in absentia to sentence those who killed the children, and the state will grow up their children, and the task of the same thought is to encourage adoption by law.
  37. Boris55
    Boris55 25 December 2012 12: 24
    -1
    Quote: Shkodnik65
    But nevertheless, Magnitsky’s law is good in that our moneybags are slightly pinched


    Do you seriously think that the Americans will water their dairy cows? Do you hope that names from Forbes magazine (Abramovich, Vekselberg ...) will appear on this list?
    Whom does US citizen Alekseeva ask to add there - crooks and thieves? No - politicians!
  38. albanec
    albanec 25 December 2012 12: 26
    +5
    ... in second place - Guatemala. That was until 2009. It was from this year that Guatemala refused to send children to America. What is the reason? The fact is that in 2008, several Guatemalan children were killed in foster American families. And Guatemala, says Astakhov, has stopped giving children to America.
    Interestingly, the Guatemalans also kicked their government or, on the contrary, supported it? In my opinion, there are certain forces in Russia that, through the media, through the opinion of the so-called "experts", through the Internet, incite certain categories of Russian citizens to criticize the actions of the Russian authorities in every possible way. Let us recall Russia's withdrawal from the conventional arms treaty, recall the Duma and presidential elections (at the same time, we can compare it with the recent presidential elections in America), the law on defamation, the law on NGOs. All these events were thickly watered with mud and mud, despite the fact that in the West, in America, for example, elections are far from transparent, the law on foreign agents has been in effect for more than one year, not to mention the responsibility and those legal costs for libel. Maybe it's time for the population to think and analyze the facts with their own heads, and not articles by golim "experts" and paid Internet resourcesrecourse

    but it is, as they say, the cry of the soul. no more.
  39. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 25 December 2012 12: 40
    0
    gentlemen are engaged in garbage, it would be better not to deal with lists, but for people tried, zats ...
  40. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 25 December 2012 12: 52
    +1
    The State Duma adopted the normal law. The main thing there is not even adoption, but restrictions on NGOs financed from abroad. Many thanks to Oleg for the absolutely honest and objective information in the article.
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/156655-belyy-dom-ne-stal-otpravlyat-deputat
    ov-gosdumy-v-spisok-magnitskogo.html Here is the reaction of the amers to our response to the "Act of the name of the untimely deceased Magnitskiy"
  41. Centaurus
    Centaurus 25 December 2012 13: 08
    +1
    I can’t say that in the USA all the freaks and every family that has adopted a child from Russia is harassed and sexually harassed, or worse ...
    But as if there are statistics. There are facts. And they are negative. I would even say negative.
    All, or almost all, react very aggressively to Russian children who died in the United States through the fault of foster parents. But for some reason they know or worry much less about those orphans who are oppressed in their homeland (I don’t want to offend anyone, but there is such a thing, or at least it can be), so put this matter under tight control.
    I fully support the idea of ​​a ban sale Russian children abroad.
    But even in their homeland, they need to create conditions for real existence, and ensure a real future.
    What if a sick child, who doesn’t need anyone, has everything grown, garbage, unnecessary ballast? ..
    Russian children must live and grow in RUSSIA! But they must live and be conscious of PEOPLE and part of society. Russian society and the Russian people. The people, countries and societies which do not give a damn about orphans to them.
    Damn it, right thing, children are the future.
    yes
    1. click80
      click80 25 December 2012 14: 19
      +7
      Quote: Centaur
      I can’t say that in the USA all the freaks and every family that has adopted a child from Russia is harassed and sexually harassed, or worse ...

      The whole problem is that the Russian consuls are limited in rights, they cannot check how a child lives, etc. It is quite possible that if the murderers and tormentors of the Russian children were tried with all the severity of the law, the law would be called otherwise. And impunity gives rise to crime and therefore adoption bansale of our children in the US I think is right.
      Orphans is a SHAME of RUSSIA, but selling them abroad is an even greater shame.
  42. Murzik
    Murzik 25 December 2012 13: 12
    0
    and the state separation petition, where is the government’s response?
    1. albanec
      albanec 25 December 2012 14: 18
      0
      Yeah, selectively they somehow respond to the petition laughing
  43. ruton
    ruton 25 December 2012 13: 39
    0
    Even the Federation Council recognized that the adoption agreement will be valid for another year and a half, until Russia terminates it. That is, the entire 2013 adoption will continue. The denunciation process is launched by the president, sending a request to the State Duma.

    ALL THIS WRITING IN ONE WORD ..
  44. wulf66
    wulf66 25 December 2012 13: 54
    +2
    I agree with the article. Really enough to cherish your own and elevate the Westernizing ... America and Toleras still sucks. But Makarevich generally better to keep quiet, I was sick when I watched him lick the juvenile humpback, who celebrated his anniversary in London (at the hosts).
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 25 December 2012 14: 08
      -1
      Brokeback Americans Council smile

      1. polly
        polly 25 December 2012 21: 16
        +3
        I can’t imagine how you can live after what you have done ...
  45. sxn278619
    sxn278619 25 December 2012 14: 20
    0
    Comments by M. Khazin
    http://worldcrisis.ru/crisis/1052468
  46. Beck
    Beck 25 December 2012 15: 11
    -6
    I read the article. Looked komenty. Last time, on a page about Dima, they threw me with minuses. But I will continue.

    Duma clerks, zealous in protecting their 60 thieves and worried about their own situation (and suddenly they would be banned from entering the United States and would not accept their money in American banks), EXCHANGED the welfare of 60 thieves for the health and life of THOUSAND Russian children orphans and disabled children . And the cheers-patriots, on this page, exchanged virtual epaulettes and pluses for the LIFE of thousands of orphans of their Fatherland. Hurray to the patriots if only Amers would pocket in their pocket.

    Somewhere in 20 years, about 100 Russian orphans were adopted by US citizens, most of them disabled children. Over the past 000 years, 20 children have died in a violent death in the United States. This is Woe.

    "Over 500 children have been killed in Russia in nine months
    In January-September 2009, more than half a thousand children died at the hands of adults in Russia, said Aleksey Golovan, Commissioner for Children's Rights under the President of the Russian Federation.
    "In nine months, 518 children have been killed by adults. This is a terrible statistic," the ombudsman said at a press conference on Tuesday.
    At the same time, over the same period last year, according to the Investigative Committee, one and a half thousand children died by violent death in Russia.
    According to Golovan, in the first six months of this year, over 40 thousand crimes were committed against minors in the country. However, according to investigators, 3,8 thousand minors were recognized as victims from January to September, Golovan said.
    "At the same time, 265 of them are under the age of one year, at the age of one to five years - 290 children," he added.
    According to official figures, nearly 900 minors became victims of rape this year in Russia.

    THIS IS ALL TRAGEDY.

    Law against adoptive parents The United States had to be accepted, but it was not necessary to connect this with Magnitsky’s law. Moreover, it is forbidden to adopt children. Now thousands of orphans and children with disabilities will not find their home, care, caresses. These children, what they are guilty of, before the Duma and cheers-patriots. Now, orphans are doomed to live in uncomfortable orphanages, and disabled children spend their whole lives in homes for the disabled. How is it possible to protect 60 embezzlers (essentially cosmopolitans), to sacrifice WELL-BEING, HEALTH, LIFE for thousands of Russian children. The mind is incomprehensible.

    But there is still hope of saving the image of Russia. This is the position of denial of the Duma law on children, Deputy Prime Minister O. Golovanova, Minister of Foreign Affairs S. Lavrov, Minister of Education D. Livanov. Maybe Putin reads the protest that Golovanov wrote to him. Supporters of 60 embezzlers may understand that the well-being of these bureaucrats and thieves of the LIFE of thousands of Russian children is not worth it.

    Hurray to the patriots who wrote the claims to Yarbai at the top, saying that you are not in your business, I answer. CHILDREN are CHILDREN and it is impossible to divide their lives by nationality.
    1. cortel
      cortel 25 December 2012 22: 01
      0
      It seems that he wrote everything correctly, but where are the statistics of deaths in the USA? In them, I see, children of children are shot in classes. And even these good uncles and aunts from America have already been refused adoption at home, so they scour the world. I think that their state allocates large subsidies for the disabled to them. I’m not protecting anyone, but I have to show both sides of the coin.
      1. Beck
        Beck 26 December 2012 09: 49
        -1
        Quote: cortel
        It seems that he wrote everything correctly, but where are the statistics of deaths in the USA?


        This is who cares how Americans deal with their children. First of all, Russian children are worried. So out of 100 Russians, 000. died in Russia. The conditions of detention in children's homes in Russia are below average., The killing of children is many times greater. So why not let some kind of life take place.

        Russia now looks like that mother, which is from the Solomon parables.

        Two women simultaneously gave birth to newborns. One newborn died. Two women began to argue about the remaining newborn. Both that and that claimed that it is her child. With this thrust turned to King Solomon.
        Solomon made the decision to cut the newborn in half and give each woman half. One woman said maliciously - And not to you, and not to me. Another woman with tears in her eyes opposed this. She said - Give the child to this woman, let the child live. Tsar Solomon then gave the child to that woman who wanted a life for her baby.

        So Russia in the form of the DUMA is similar to that woman who wants to chop a child in villainy. Neither you nor us.
        1. Hon
          Hon 26 December 2012 10: 54
          -1
          You really can’t say better!
  47. Boris55
    Boris55 25 December 2012 15: 21
    +4
    Dima Yakovlev's law "

    "On measures of influence on persons involved in violations of fundamental human rights and freedoms,
    rights and freedoms of citizens of the Russian Federation "


    Adopted by the State Duma on December 21 2012


    Article 1

    Measures to influence individuals involved in violations of fundamental human rights and freedoms, rights and freedoms of citizens of the Russian Federation include:

    1) a ban on the entry into the Russian Federation of citizens of the United States of America:

    a) involved in violations of fundamental human rights and freedoms;

    b) who committed crimes against citizens of the Russian Federation who are abroad, or who were involved in their commission;

    c) endowed with state powers and facilitated by their actions (inaction) the release from responsibility of persons who committed crimes against citizens of the Russian Federation or who were involved in their commission;

    d) whose official duties included the adoption of decisions, the absence or presence of which led to the release from responsibility of persons who committed crimes against citizens of the Russian Federation or who were involved in their commission;

    e) involved in the abduction and illegal deprivation of liberty of citizens of the Russian Federation;

    f) who have issued unfounded and unfair sentences against citizens of the Russian Federation;

    g) carrying out unjustified legal prosecution of citizens of the Russian Federation;

    h) made unreasonable decisions that violated the rights and legitimate interests of citizens and organizations of the Russian Federation;

    2) the arrest in the territory of the Russian Federation of financial and other assets of citizens of the United States of America who are prohibited from entering the Russian Federation, and the ban on any transactions with the property and investments of these citizens.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/politics/20121221/915806320.html#13564344092212&message=resize&rel
    to = register & action = addClass & value = registration # ixzz2G3t6lhls
    1. Beck
      Beck 26 December 2012 09: 54
      -1
      Quote: Boris55
      Dima Yakovlev's law "


      Why not all articles of the law or all applications. Such concealment is called - in jurisprudence, forgery and fraud, in life dishonesty and deceit.

      And then he laid out, in a tacit assertion, that there is no ban on adoption by US citizens in the law.

      Vile, low, disgusting.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 26 December 2012 11: 35
        -1
        See the link to the original in niu? Follow it, there is the full text.
        Why I haven’t laid out everything - to concentrate on the title of the document and its main essence. And 4 Art. can be removed altogether ... The meaning of the document, according to the office name of it, will not be lost from this.
        1. Beck
          Beck 26 December 2012 12: 07
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          Vile, low, disgusting.

          I apologize for these very words. Somehow flew into the heat of the moment. The main thing is to admit that you are wrong.
  48. Atlon
    Atlon 25 December 2012 15: 22
    +7
    Quote: Boris55
    Brokeback Americans Council

    Hera himself blew it !!!! Have not seen for a long time. That's what burgers do to a man! laughing

    I read all the comments, and here's what I want to say. The law adopted by the Duma is such an UNUSUAL move for our politicians that now all of America has risen to its ears. petitions are collected there ... After all, in essence, what happened? The United States spat in Russia, and in response received a bucket of shit on their heads! wassat After all, it's not about children, not about adoption, it's an information war. What is this debate about some kind of supposed happiness for children? Many of those children left for America? I believe that disabled people are BETTER in special institutions than do not understand where. There they are looked after and monitored, and the family is not specialists, they just wanted to have a "puppy". In addition, these are tax breaks and other gingerbread. At the same time, let the child just be, maybe sit in the shed, who is watching? I think the law is true! precisely because of its absurdity! It is high time to make it clear to amers that spitting in Russia is NO more! Gone are the days. This law shows the WHOLE world that we DO NOT Amer! And this, humiliates ... Hence all the petitions ...;) Nothing, they will swallow!
    1. His
      His 25 December 2012 15: 30
      +1
      The Americans were cornered. But they turned out by making us a cannibalistic country and do not give to save children from imminent death letting them go to America. The glory of the bibishi, quirky as a snake
  49. figvamforever
    figvamforever 25 December 2012 15: 37
    -3
    Atlon,
    Quote: Ascetic
    Well, everything is explained to children simply. Children from Russia are equated with pets or toys to which the attitude is appropriate, tired of throwing away and all things. We need to clearly understand what has historically been such that for the people of Western civilization we are still subhuman - the last woman, who for some reason undeservedly got so many natural resources and land.

    If you visited America, you would be surprised to notice that in America (already a decent time) people are not divided into the first and second. For this, you can go to court. All adopted children from Russia are US citizens. And for killing a US citizen, the punishment will depend on the specific state.
    And if you do not want the Americans to adopt children from Russia, adopt yourself. I did not see something in line for sick children. Or just wagging your tongue.
    In the United States of Russian money (RUSSIA) more than 500 billion in banks are stored. So let's make the Kremlin spend at least part of the money not on oligarchs, but on orphans.
    1. Viking
      Viking 25 December 2012 20: 51
      -1
      Quote: figvamforever
      If you do not want the Americans to adopt children from Russia, adopt yourself. I didn’t see the queue for sick children. Or just wagging your tongue.

      And in fact, 2011 is adopted by your kind rich amers adopted 44 disabled children, and Russian families 188 disabled children. Well? In total, amers in 2011 took out about 1000 children. Healthy, normal, absolutely healthy children aged 0 to 6 years. So the fact that they care primarily about the disabled is FALSE! Adoption in the States (including from other countries) is a very profitable business (this is the policy of the state), tax breaks, subsidies, the aura of "benefactors" ...
    2. Atlon
      Atlon 26 December 2012 10: 49
      0
      Quote: figvamforever
      If you were in America, you would be surprised to notice that in America (already a decent time) people are not divided into the first and second. For this, you can go to court.

      And if you were there, you would be surprised to know what is being divided! And how! And although you can't talk about it out loud, and you won't find signs "only for colored people" there (political correctness), there are black quarters (Chinese, Latinos), the same schools, and even universities! And also - hospitals, clubs, bars, etc. etc.
      But since you judge the radiant snow-white and coveted America by CNN and the Air Force, you certainly are not aware ... You are also unlikely to know that you can be killed in the New York subway in the daytime if you are white. As for the surroundings of this metro (with piles of garbage on the platforms), I generally keep quiet! You just mentioned grandmothers collecting bottles in Russia. In the USA, of course, this is not ( laughing ), just as there are no whole villages of homeless people under bridges, viaducts and other places. America is the shining light of freedom and democracy! wassat
      However, maybe you will go there someday, maybe then you will stop grinding nonsense. wink
  50. Korzhik_77
    Korzhik_77 25 December 2012 16: 40
    +2
    Mr. Obama said America will continue to work to build democracy in Russia

    All the shores have beguiled am
    1. Atlon
      Atlon 26 December 2012 10: 52
      0
      tear up ... laughing