The cost of repairing the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" exceeded 200 billion rubles

The heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov was built back in the Soviet Union in the 1980s. The cruiser belongs to the North the fleet Russian Navy.

In 1999, it was decided to send the warship for repair and modernization. However, these works were started only four years later. Since then, the repair of the Admiral Nakhimov has been dragging on for twenty years.

The cruiser is engaged in the production association "Sevmash", located in the city of Severodvinsk. According to news agency TASS citing a source close to the Russian Navy, the repair and modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov has already cost a huge amount, exceeding 200 billion rubles.

At the same time, it is noted that this amount is twice the amount that was originally planned to be spent on the cruiser.

According to the source of the agency, the whole point is a significant increase in prices for both the services of specialists and the corresponding materials necessary to equip the ship. In addition, the requirements of the Navy for the functionality of the cruiser changed frequently.

Last week it was reported that the updated cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" will be ready for testing in May next year.

One of the results of the modernization of the cruiser will be its equipping with Zircon hypersonic missiles and other high-precision missiles. weapons long range.

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[Lt. Air Force stock]

How much does the 22350M frigate cost? Maybe it's more profitable to build new ships?

[chingachguc]

Erotic movie "deep throat"

[AAK]

yeaaaaaa .... for 2 lards of greenbacks, you can build a second "Kuznetsov" or 8-9 "Gorshkovs" ... and this "Nakhimov" will be completed for another year ... not without reason the Guarantor of the USC handed over to Kostin, I believe this year repairs jump another 100+ lyams from Baku ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

We have a new serial nuclear submarine that costs about 50 billion rubles each, either Borey or Yasen-M.

And then a huge cruiser.

The modernized Nakhimov is a prototype of the future nuclear cruiser po.23560 in terms of purpose and armament. It will also work out the tactics of its use and evaluate its capabilities and cost of maintenance.

Such nuclear cruisers will become Russia's strongholds in the world's oceans, where we have very few allies and the ability to refuel on the way.

Thanks to the upgraded Orlans, po.23560 will become optimal in all respects, including the price.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Yes, to hell with the ships, what's the use of them in the NWO.
It was necessary to send that money to the SVO.
We are already "with a sick cuckoo" taking part in an existential (shit, the 90s will seem like paradise) war, we are also accepting dubious projects.

[NKT]

Somewhere there was infa:

22800 - $90 million
21631 - $140 million
20380 - $250 million
20386 - $400 million
11356 - $200 million
22350 - $450 million
22350M - $650 million

[bayard]

Quote: NKT

22350 - $450 million

This is how much the corvette pr. 20385 costs.
The frigate "Gorshkov" and subsequent ones cost 550 million dollars. Reducing the cost due to serial production is unlikely. Firstly, they hung on stocks without a power plant for too long, and this increases the cost. Secondly, starting from the 5th (4th serial) in the series, they are being built according to a modified project and carry not 2, but 4 UKKS for 32 (not 16) cells for strike weapons. So in this (already under construction) series, the price tag will be about the same. But if the series is extended to a reasonable total number of 24 frigates of the same type, then due to serial production, the price tag may decrease.

[Alien From]

You read and understand in which sewer (if censored) we are stewing. And most importantly, there is not even a hint of glimpses in this haze.

[bayard]

Quote: Alien From

there is not even a hint of a glimpse in this mist.

It's all you - the aliens are to blame.
And domestic insatiable feudal lords.

[Alien From]

Of course, we will blame everyone except ourselves)) as it is on the earth

[bayard]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

How much does the 22350M frigate cost?

$550 million If the series is continued with normal funding, pace and well-functioning cooperation, the price may decrease somewhat.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Maybe it's more profitable to build new ships?

New ships are always profitable to build, especially when the old ones are running out of resources. This raises the question of the expediency of modernizing "Peter", because why for SUCH money and in such a time frame, it is better to drive the remaining two BOD 1155 into modernization at the same plant and complete it in record time with high-quality (!) Financing. The term of such modernization for the lead ones took about 3,5 years, although it was decided to modernize the next (second pair) more thoroughly, installing not 2, but 4 UKKS and 4 x 4 X-35 launchers, as well as a new medium-range air defense system ("Shtil "or "Redoubt") and "Package-NK". The benefits of upgrading the last two BODs (in order to keep all the remaining ones in service) will be much greater, because they will enter service earlier, and it will cost a multiple less.
In addition, 200 billion rubles. should be considered at the old rate of 65 - 70 rubles. for USD because the money has already been spent.
200 billion rubles , this is about 3 billion dollars. For such an amount (according to the previous calculation), it was possible to build one and a half or two nuclear "Leaders" or 6 serial frigates 22350 \ 22350.1.
So, in the light of such calculations, the modernization of "Peter" is hardly reasonable - the shipyard can be occupied with much more useful and faster executable orders. "Nakhimov" will fulfill its role for testing new weapons and equipment. Especially the new air defense systems "Frt-2" and the new radar, SLA. And how will the new boathouse be ready and if there are desires to build heavy ships VI 12 - 000 tons, then one can build one (but not nuclear) on four M-16FR gas turbines (000 x 90 = 4 l / s) with a composition of weapons almost like that of "Nakhimov", but harmoniously arranged, and at a price of no more than 27 billion dollars.

[Nross]

You are correct, but this is based on dry numbers.
I fully admit that the price of the "modernization" of the cruiser included the renewal of the repair base of the docks of Sevmash, and a lot of other things on the technical base.
For example, when an aircraft carrier was riveted for India, a lot of things had to be bought in addition to, in fact, the ship's components.
Well ..., yes, and cuts, of course.

[bayard]

Quote: Nross

I fully admit that the price of the "modernization" of the cruiser included the renewal of the repair base of the docks of Sevmash, and a lot of other things on the technical base.

And yet it was the cost of repairs. Especially the figure of 200 billion rubles. Klimov called already THREE years ago.
Of course, in the case of a decision to modernize "Peter", its cost and implementation time may be somewhat less, but ... I would still prefer to modernize the two remaining BODs at this shipyard.

[Ivan F]

"The cost of repairing the cruiser Admiral Nakhimov exceeded 200 billion rubles" - "But everyone should know that, by and large, we have not started anything seriously yet"

[bayard]

Quote: Ivan F

"But everyone should know that, by and large, we haven't really started anything yet"

Are you hinting that in the event of the modernization of "Peter" the record in terms of time and cost will be broken?
It's just that our feudal lords have an excellent appetite.
And only privileges, instead of duties and responsibilities.

[carpenter]

repair and modernization of "Admiral Nakhimov" has already cost a huge amount, exceeding 200 billion rubles.

For that kind of money, you can build two new cruisers in the same 20 years.

[knn54]

carpenter (Dimon) The fact of the matter is that in twenty years they forgot how to build cruisers ...

[TermNachTer]

Ha - ha three times))) but they can? a cruiser is not a yacht. Competences are lost, it will be years before they are restored.

[bayard]

Quote: TermNachTER

a cruiser is not a yacht.

So due to such a price tag and terms, yachts appear. Budget saws don't work otherwise.

[Thrifty]

If we count the stolen and "non-targeted" funds only over the past five years, the cost of modernization will be a fraction of a percent of those amounts! So Peter the Great also needs to be modernized!

[Hitriy Zhuk]

But why?
We have never been good with the fleet.
And the fleet is very expensive.

[bayard]

Quote: Thrifty

So Peter the Great also needs to be modernized!

Last year we planted buckwheat on 10 hectares. The damned dog-nosed ate her.
This year we planted buckwheat on 20 hectares. Damn dog nose ate her again!
So let's plant 50 hectares of buckwheat next year - let it choke!!
Have you noticed how "rapidly" two UDCs are being built in Kerch?
Over the past THREE years, they already have to be driven out of the hulls under the flight deck and stand superstructures. Moreover, before their laying down, the unthinkable happened - the retiring D.A. Medvedev made a XNUMX% prepayment to the contractor for both ships. But even such generosity did not increase the pace. But it had a very positive effect on the well-being of all those involved.
At the same moment, D.A. Medvedev signed a 100% prepayment for the first in the series nuclear "super icebreaker" "Leader". THREE years have also passed and its corps should also rise on the Far Eastern "Star" as a symbol of our power in the Arctic ... But somehow I don't hear reports about its successful construction ...
- Tradition?
- Stability.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The title is incorrect, because the repair of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" "mastered" 200 billion rubles, how much was spent on repairs is still unknown.

[carpenter]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

The title is incorrect, because the repair of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" "mastered" 200 billion rubles, how much was spent on repairs is still unknown.

They forgot the naval catch phrase - "Repairs cannot be completed, they can only be stopped."

[Metallurg_2]

Well, for example, in the Crimean War of 1853-56, the rollback of the quartermaster from the military order was 8 percent.

[bayard]

Quote: Metallurg_2

Well, for example, in the Crimean War of 1853-56, the rollback of the quartermaster from the military order was 8 percent.

This is the "European Standard", one architect told me about this - he himself is an Albanian, studied in Milan, led the first repair and reconstruction of the Kremlin in the 90s. He once participated in a competition for the reconstruction of the Bolshoi Theater and fully counted on winning "The Bolshoi was built by the Italians, like the Kremlin, and I have an Italian school. I drew up a project, calculated the estimate, came out with 300 million dollars., I added" European Standard "8% for a rollback ... But a completely different one won, who presented an estimate for $ 2 billion. !! And the rollback was 80%."
Wonderful are your deeds Feudalism.

[Alien From]

Vovochka! This time you are absolutely right! Mary Ivanna will be pleased

[75 Sergey]

Well, it is necessary so it is necessary, what is it?!
Two Baku lards, who counted that?!

[Vladimir80]

someone who thinks it's expensive, let him transfer it to Baku - $ 200

Actually, 2 billion, though I studied mathematics in a Soviet school, maybe now it’s different ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: 75Sergey

Two Baku lards, who counted that?!

Accountant....

[75 Sergey]

Whose.
Do you still believe someone else's word?! Come on!
Then the VSUka farted this article into a puddle, raised a wave, and everything was picked up.
What will be the evidence?

[KrolikZanuda]

I cut all the cuts. A little more and the Ministry of Defense Roskosmos will surpass.

[Dilettante grandfather]

I will say this: repairs and upgrades can cost a significant amount. They can. But here a counter question arises: the deadlines must be agreed upon, and any change in the deadlines, their shift inОOn the other hand, it should reduce the cost of work. Have the dates been approved by both parties? No problem. Each day of delay will cost the performers 1% of the total cost. MO changed the requirements? Also not a question. Deadlines are rigidly fixed in a modified form. Did the customer fail to pay in full on time? The penalty must be specified in the contract.
What's wrong? (This is for the downvoters). All, absolutely all situations must be spelled out in the contract.

[Aken]

I will not minus. I'll just say that it doesn't work that way.

[dump22]

repair and modernization of "Admiral Nakhimov" has already cost a huge amount, exceeding 200 billion rubles.

It would be nice to know, but what rubles?
Current (at 94 per dollar) or rubles in 2014, the time of the actual start of repairs (when they gave 38 per dollar)?

[Mordvin 3]

Look what you remembered... But I bought dollars and six thousand.

[Piramidon]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Look what you remembered... But I bought dollars and six thousand.

This is when they received a salary with six zeros, or what?

[your1970]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Look what you remembered... But I bought dollars and six thousand.

This is when the salary six got zeros, right?

but you are rich
lived
I was an ensign then in 1995 - I received 260 and was considered wealthy, almost rich

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I was an ensign then in 1995 - I received 260 and was considered wealthy, almost rich

Did you have a backyard or something? At that time I was still in the starleys, I remember so well that the salary was not only not enough, but they were still delayed for months.
The service was like a hobby, because I had to earn extra money for a living.

[your1970]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

I was an ensign then in 1995 - I received 260 and was considered wealthy, almost rich

Did you have a backyard or something? At that time I was still in the starleys, I remember so well that the salary was not only not enough, but they were still delayed for months.
The service was like a hobby, because I had to earn extra money for a living.

They did not pay rations, the rest was paid almost on time. The salary in the village was at the level of 50-70 who sometimes paid .... So my 000, even if the delay was a lot of money
OBATO helicopter regiment from "There are three pictures in the Union ...

[vovochkarzhevsky]

OBATO helicopter regiment from "There are three pictures in the Union ...

Ozinki or what? Spent three summers there.

[your1970]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

OBATO helicopter regiment from "There are three pictures in the Union ...

Ozinki or what? Spent three summers there.

"You knew, you knew!!!" (c) my son

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The photo is not mine, but just those years, the parking lot of our 3rd squadron.

[tralflot1832]

No matter how wrong they were initially counted, and who counts the budget money? Calculation of the re-equipment of the Nakhimov was quite possibly done by specialists who never boarded the Nakhimov. always goes hard, but not to the same extent.

[Vladimir80]

I hope that VTB will not optimize production, but optimize the top management.

Do you believe in it? When did our bankers issue something worthy? From the point of view of the bank, all non-core assets should be sold, put money at interest or invest in foreign currency ...

[your1970]

Quote: Vladimir80

I hope that VTB will not optimize production, but optimize the top management.

Do you believe in it? When did our bankers issue something worthy? From the point of view of the bank, all non-core assets should be sold, put money at interest or invest in foreign currency ...

You would quickly burn out - if you were a banker. Without investing in something, interest will not come running ....
"Under a lying officer ... sorry banker - cognac does not flow" (c)

[Hitriy Zhuk]

Isn't it easier to buy 800 (or 200 but armored) KAMAZ trucks and start them up?
So it’s cheaper, easier, and even safer (it’s easier to hit a ship, it’s in plain sight and in the middle of the sea (it won’t hide), and you find a bunch of KAMAZ trucks in the terrain, and pick up missiles to hit them.

[Aken]

They won't go for it. There is not much to steal in such a scheme.

[your1970]

Quote from Aken

They won't go for it. There is not much to steal in such a scheme.

On such a scheme, you can just steal forever - MOT, fuel and lubricants, and so on.

[Observer2014]

Eternal business. Every contractor's dream. The company is lucky.

[your1970]

Quote: Observer2014

Eternal business. Every contractor's dream. The company is lucky.

The trick is that money was not periodically allocated for him at all, so there is no smell of luck here ...

[Kaufman]

All dates to the right! All budgets up! Apparently this is our national motto))))
What is Luna 25, what is Nakhimov, what is Kuznetsov, what is Almaty, what is Su57. Yes, and any building, bridge. And don't you dare downvote me! The truth and only the truth. And then he wrote about a long-range projectile, that the Germans know how to work, so they threw minuses

[Alien From]

""The truth pricks the eyes"" - a folk saying .....

[alexoff]

It remains only to find out how many people worked and how much they received per month, and then compare with the total amount

[spirit]

it's all about a significant increase in prices for both specialist services,

What? Hard workers?))) It seems to me that there are only a couple of specialists there, and growth has grown on their future real estate in sunny Spain or France.

[ric]

What if it's better?
How many Admiral dachas and pitchforks were built in the Canary Islands, such a cow still needs to be looked for, Nakhimov will not be handed over not in 24 or 30, there will be a fire before the tests, a drunken sailor will be guilty and there will be no one to ask for money for repairs.

[Soldatov V.]

If this amount has reached in twenty years, then, taking into account inflation, it is still cheap.
Repair for 20 years suggests that he went through the stump deck. No one followed the repair schedule and finances. What was repaired 20 years ago should be done on a new one or replaced with a modern one. Electronics 100% accurate.

[Krilion]

for such "repairs" you need to put up against the wall .. this is sabotage and sabotage in fact ...

[your1970]

Quote: Krilion

for such "repairs" you need to put up against the wall .. this is sabotage and sabotage in fact ...

The state that didn’t give money for repairs? He just stood without repairs for 4 years, they didn’t allocate money ...

[Tests]

Dear comrades on the site! There are many emotions in the comments, but please remember that the Nakhimov was built at the Baltic Shipyard, which was 80-90% owned by Sergei Pugachev in the late 90s. Do you remember such an actual owner of both Severnaya Verf and the Iceberg Central Design Bureau in the early 2000s? And the ship stood at the berth of Sevmash for 4 years, since 1999, practically without movement. Why? And, please, remember, then how many servicemen and employees of various law enforcement agencies went to the Caucasus to "sunbathe"? And Pugachev did not want to deal with the repair of the cruiser, he was then engaged in the construction of housing in St. Petersburg. And the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation could not decide for a long time "how and lope" it is necessary to do with the ship. No matter how ridiculous it sounds, but Wikipedia describes the repair of the Nakhimov almost truthfully. Even about the operation of the cruiser plant in the Sevmash bulk basin and its installation on an even keel, he does not lie. True, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation does not focus on the changing Wishlist during the repair, well, everyone who knows at least a little about the Navy of the USSR and the Navy of the Russian Federation knows about this even without Wiki, just like about the financing of the state defense order by the beloved Ministry of Finance and about the leadership of the USC of the Russian Federation for many years as a specialist in tractors and cars ... Let's see who will now lead the USC and when he learns to deliver USC on time, at least, serial RTOs pr. 22800 ...

[ASG7]

And if it were repaired today, it would cost 800 billion rubles, but it cost only 400 billion, and the savings amounted to 400 billion, but in the end it turns out that they repaired it for free.

[75 Sergey]

Pro-vaccination custom article VSUk

[barclay]

] Since then, the repair of Admiral Nakhimov has been dragging on for twenty years.
Yeah. Twenty years is probably not the limit. If you work with such deadlines, then the requirements will change. It turns out one pulls the other. With "Ivan Gren", which was built for 15 years, there was a similar picture. Eh, something is wrong with us in the construction of the fleet. Either we don't know how, or we don't know what. As a result, after such upgrades of the Moskva cruiser, its air defense system turned out to be vulnerable.

[sub307]

"Since then, the repair of Admiral Nakhimov has been dragging on for twenty years.
The cruiser is engaged in the production association "Sevmash", located in the city of Severodvinsk. According to the TASS news agency, citing a source close to the Russian Navy, the repair and modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov has already cost a huge amount, exceeding 200 billion rubles. .

[S. Viktorovich]

The essence of the problem is not even the excessive costs of upgrading this monster from a past life, but the absence of any need to have it in the Russian fleet. It's time to sell it to someone.

[lis-ik]

According to the source of the agency, the whole point is a significant increase in prices for both the services of specialists and related materials,

How so? We have practically no inflation, according to the authorities.

[fima_tut]

FFsem counting pennies in your thin pocket, well, you couldn’t, it happens. A FLAGSHIP is needed and none, I don’t care how much it costs.

[alystan]

The government of the Russian Federation worked through the issue and came up with a proposal to transfer the state-owned stake in the United Shipbuilding Corporation to VTB. I support this proposal, I know that your colleagues have also discussed this with you and worked it out in advance.

Putin said at a meeting with the head of VTB Andrei Kostin. And he expressed hope for effective work on the part of the bank.

And the bank's management, without delaying the matter, put First Deputy Andrey Puchkov at the head of the USC.

The new list of candidates for election to the board of directors of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) does not include the current chairman of the board of directors of USC, the former governor of St. Petersburg Georgy Poltavchenko and the company's general director Alexei Rakhmanov.

[Andrey A]

There was already a publication about this by Roman Skomorokhov "TARK" Peter the Great "- who said it's time to go to the landfill?" There, the author also argued that the cost of modernizing "Admiral Nakhimov" exceeded - 200 billion rubles. In reality, this is not entirely true.

[/ Quote]
Modernization of the heavy nuclear missile cruiser (TARK) "Admiral Nakhimov", according to experts, has exceeded 1999 billion rubles since 90, Alexei Zhuravlev, First Deputy Head of the State Duma Defense Committee, told NEWS.ru. The parliamentarian became interested in the estimate for the repair of the TARK, "to understand if this is not just a black hole."

Modernization of "Admiral Nakhimov" has shown how long and costly such activities can be. The ship has been under repair since 1999 and is still not in service. Experts calculated that it cost about 90 billion rubles, the amount is enough for 10 new corvettes. It would be nice to see the estimate in order to understand if this is not just a black hole into which budget money has flowed for years, Zhuravlev emphasized.[quote]

Thus, the Admiral Nakhimov will cost as much as 2 frigates 22350 of the Admiral Gorshkov type, and its combat capabilities will be incomparably greater. The benefits of such an upgrade are obvious. And I already wrote: the same Americans are in no hurry to send their Nimitz-class aircraft carriers, which are almost twice as old as our TARKs, to be melted down, all the more so, and we should not scatter heavy warships. And so, any inhabitant understands that if an apartment needs to be renovated, then it is necessary to do repairs, and not throw away the apartment and not buy a new one ...

[Sergey39]

All disputes about the modernization of the cruiser Nakhimov are just disputes. The modernization is coming to an end and the cruiser will go to sea this year. Perhaps there are inefficient costs. But, in any case, a nuclear cruiser does not carry a string of tankers with fuel behind it, and its cost and armament are comparable or even more serious than those of 5 frigates 22350. And, we have built only three of these frigates so far. In fact, our shipyards today cannot do more. For various reasons.

[turbina2367]

... the repair and modernization of Admiral Nakhimov has already cost a gigantic amount, exceeding 200 billion rubles.

Wrong terminology.
This is a normal amount for such a ship.
But according to experts of various stripes, during the reign of the multi-move and geostrategist, at least three trillion dollars were taken out of the country to offshore, some argue that twice as much.
Now that's a gigantic amount, don't you think?
Plus a country house in Praskoveevka, three yachts, an apartment for a lady of the heart in Sochi, and so on.
Druzhbany are also not born with a bast, they know how to live!
Conclusion: you can’t steal like that in the state! It would be a little easier...
Then there will be enough money for everything, even for "Nakhimov" with "Peter".
What do you say, Patriots?

[unhappy]

It's not about money here. This is the status of a great power, this is the "presence factor".
Just the fact that somewhere in Norway the Tirpitz is standing and ready to go to sea strained all the enemy fleets. No frigate will cause such an effect.

[Yellow bubble]

This feeder is cool, cool, cool, you can see there are golden latrines and a compass with diamonds.