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Experts argue how to replace the aging "Satan"

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Experts argue how to replace the aging "Satan"Hot news, as often happens, come to us from overseas. “The decision to create a new intercontinental ballistic missile, which will replace the PC-20 or Р-36МУТТХ and Р-36М2" Voivode "(according to the western classification SS-18 Satan -" Satan "), has not yet been made." This was announced in Washington at the International Luxembourg Forum for the Prevention of Nuclear Catastrophe by the former Chief of the Main Staff of the Strategic Missile Forces, Candidate of Military Sciences, Professor of the Academy of Military Sciences, Colonel-General Retired Victor Yesin.

According to the general, “it is possible that such a rocket will appear, but there is no definitive solution yet, as long as there is a task to conduct research work.” Viktor Yesin suggested that “the results of these studies will determine the appearance of the new rocket, after which a decision will be made on the expediency of its creation based on the development of the military-strategic situation. With a positive result, the quantitative need for products will be clarified. ” In addition, the expert added that "the development of such a heavy rocket weighing 211 tons will most likely not be conducted, its creators will be able to stay on an intermediate version."

Such a detailed story of Victor Esin about the new rocket, which should replace the “Governor” (“Satan”), is explained, in our opinion, by several circumstances. The first of them is purely objective. The world's largest liquid heavy missile systems R-36MUTTH and P-36М2, equipped with a split head part with ten warheads each 750 kilotons and a system for overcoming the most modern and promising missile defense, are on duty in our country (in the cities of Dombarovsky and Uzhur) for over 20 years.

According to open data, as of July of this year, only 58 units remained (before the reductions under the START-1 Treaty were 308). In the coming years before 2020, they must go to history according to the age. Most of those that are on duty now have already overcome warranty and extended deadlines, which are defined by their technical passports. The fact that they do not pose any danger to the personnel serving them and are in absolutely working and operational condition is shown by regular launches of these missiles from the landfill in Baikonur, as well as the launch of satellites of the “civil” rocket Dnepr, which practically represents the Voevod "(" Satan "), removed from combat duty.

But it’s impossible to keep these rocket complexes in battle forever. Like every living creature (and a strategic rocket is a living creature, no matter how thoughtful and paradoxical these words may be to someone, - VL), they have a deadline. He approaches his logical outcome. Moreover, the duration of stay on duty and other domestic strategic missile systems - liquid ballistic missile UR-100NUTTH "Sotka" (according to the western classification SS-19 Stiletto), are in line with the logical outcome, today we have 70, and there were 360, they are deployed in Kozelsk, Kaluga Region and Saratov Tatischev. And also they are approaching the end of the warranty period on combat duty and solid-fuel ground-based strategic missile systems RT-2PM Topol (according to the western classification SS-25 Sickle - Sickle), we still have 171 units in them, deployed in Yoshkar-Ola, under Nizhny Tagil, Novosibirsk, Irkutsk, Barnaul and in Vypolzovo, Tver region.

If we take into account that almost half of 605 strategic missiles that we currently have in combat formation will be dismissed in the coming years, then the concern of the military and the country's leadership is understandable. Not only because we have to fulfill the Prague Treaty (START-3) with the USA, according to which we can (should), like the Americans, have 700 unrolled carriers and also 100 in warehouses. The question is sharper. With strategic missiles, we are a great country, who either does not want, but has to reckon with. Without them - only a raw materials appendage. Whether the West, or the East.

But with the replacement of "Governor" ("Satan"), as well as "Weave", all is not well. In the leadership of the military-industrial complex, there is a struggle over which missiles to replace the outgoing P-36М2 and УР-100НУТТ - with liquid or solid-fuel ones. Behind each of these groupings are renowned design bureaus and many thousands of production teams that, in spite of everything, are still working. Although with a creak. Liquid propose to almost revive the "Satan": they say, the first and second steps can be done again at the Dnepropetrovsk plant "Yuzhmash", where they used to make Р-36, and the rest of equipment - warheads, breeding systems, etc. - in Russia.

True, the problem is that according to the Lisbon agreement of the beginning of the 90-s of the last century, signed by the USA, Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus, none of these countries, except Russia and the USA, can make strategic nuclear missiles. And "Yuzhmash" in the first place. To take and get out of this contract, as some suggest, is a very risky step. Whether Ukraine is ready for it is a big question. To transfer the creation of a heavy or medium ground-based liquid rocket to Russia - here too there are difficulties of which we must speak separately. So says the former general designer of the UR-100NUTTH, the winner of the Lenin and State Prizes Herbert Efremov.

Russia also has multi-headed solid-fuel missiles, besides the long-suffering marine RSM-56 “Bulava”, which is not flying yet, the PC-24 ground-based missile system, which took up combat duty in December last year. There are also one-piece mine and soil rocket complexes RT-2PM Topol-M (SS-27). Their current date is 67. But these missiles are still unable to completely solve the problems of the Prague Treaty, and the guaranteed security of Russia.

It is important to spend 19 trillion. rubles, which allocates a budget for the State Armaments Program for 2011 – 2020 years, so that all those problems that Colonel General Victor Esin are talking about and Academician of the Academy of Military Sciences Herbert Efremov are resolved. Whether this will turn out for the military and political leadership of the country, as well as for our designers and production workers, is a big question.
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  1. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 25 December 2012 07: 05
    +19
    Ukraine, of course, is no longer able to help us in this matter.
    The politicians and leadership of UKRAINE will not help us because of their RUSSOPHOBIA.
    Therefore, it is necessary to develop the production of new missiles only on our territory. (Moreover, this will give RUSSIA new jobs, new technologies and confidence in the future of RUSSIA)
    1. alexng
      alexng 25 December 2012 08: 18
      +8
      And most importantly, independence in defense technology. After all, they already went through the fact that most of the defense enterprises ended up after the collapse of the state abroad. And we must take into account this, albeit negative, but experience.
      1. Civil
        Civil 25 December 2012 11: 05
        +1
        and YUZHMASH is not the same ...
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 26 December 2012 05: 57
          0
          Quote: lehatormoz
          Ukraine, of course, is no longer able to help us in this matter.

          while it’s kind of not, but look what’s happening in the United States, they are falling apart before our eyes, and their proteges are falling from their positions (they kicked out another one in Italy). In a few years, Ukraine will return to us, it will not go anywhere.
    2. lotus04
      lotus04 25 December 2012 11: 33
      +4
      Experts argue how to replace the aging "Satan"


      Get fucked up! They think! Is there any alternative to this rocket? When they create something similar, powerful and reliable in modern Russia, then let them argue.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 25 December 2012 14: 19
        +5
        Quote: lotus04
        Get fucked up! They think! Is there any alternative to this rocket? When they create something similar, powerful and reliable in modern Russia, then let them argue.


        They do not think, but drag such a fat order each for themselves. Alas, there is no such head of the military-industrial complex, an intelligent, competent, effective one, as DF Ustinov once was, alas, Rogozin is a man of the wrong caliber, only "looking" for cash flows. By the way, MIIT Solomonov is already making a new solid-fuel rocket according to the schedule. There is nowhere to make heavy liquid, except at Krasmash, there is now the most qualified engineering and design staff in the Makeev Design Bureau. They did what they needed to do to Sinev, so they will cope with this. Yuzhmash is now engaged in the Strategic Missile Forces plan only with the technical support of those standing on the DB своих missiles. MBR UR-100N UTTH extended to 31 years. (NPO Mashinostroeniya there is nothing new in this regard either)
        On a new liquid rocket in October of this year, only a preliminary design was approved Everything else is still the words Even the parent company has not been chosen. There was still an extreme Soviet draft sample of 1991. just to replace a hundred parts, but he was poher along with Yuzhmash, they did not even have time to launch, just as the Union collapsed.
  2. Tatarus
    Tatarus 25 December 2012 07: 27
    +6
    We can’t wait for help from anywhere. Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan ... These are not allies, these are fellow travelers. Only unity in a single state will give us a guarantee of fidelity to the peoples of these countries. When the steering wheel is shared, then we can talk about a common route on a common vehicle.
    1. click80
      click80 25 December 2012 07: 53
      +2
      Quote: Tatarus
      These are not allies, these are fellow travelers.

      Good day to all !!! Ukraine and Belarus are not our allies ????? I strongly disagree with you. Remember the story. We have a GREAT future.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 26 December 2012 22: 24
        0
        Quote: click80
        Ukraine and Belarus are not our allies ????? I strongly disagree with you. Remember the story. We have a GREAT future.

        Recall the story.
        The main reason for the decommissioning of submarines of Project 941 Shark is the decommissioning of their main weapons: ballistic missiles R-39 (index 3M65, START code RSM-52, and NATO classification SS-N-20 Sturgeon). The missile was developed by Makeev’s design bureau, but the first stage was produced in Ukraine. And that
        because of the supplier from Ukraine there is no new rocket - it became not combat-ready and the whole complex had to be written off.

        There is a desire to re-step on the same rake?
    2. MG42
      MG42 25 December 2012 09: 10
      +4
      These allies voluntarily handed over their nuclear weapons to Russia; however, security guarantees should not be forgotten. If Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan are not allies, then who ????
      By 1994, Kazakhstan, and by 1996, Ukraine and Belarus, in whose territory some of the USSR’s nuclear weapons were located after the collapse of the Soviet Union, transferred them to the Russian Federation according to the Lisbon Protocol signed in 1992.
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 25 December 2012 13: 31
        -6
        Well, to be very precise, not everything was transmitted. For example, the ukry "squeezed" about 24 warheads, one of which with a capacity of 550 kt ... Iran begged for a couple of warheads from Kazakhstan (the film True Lie - based on the events), for which it bought two X-55 missiles from Ukri ...
        1. MG42
          MG42 25 December 2012 17: 33
          +5
          Quote: Tektor
          For example, the ukry "squeezed" about 24 warheads, one of which with a capacity of 550 kt ... Iran begged for a couple of warheads from Kazakhstan (the film True Lie - based on the events), for which it bought two X-55 missiles from Ukri ...

          I will not even comment on this. You are linking to a provocative article. Actually, Yanukovych gave the last highly enriched uranium stored in Kharkov, now in Ukraine there is nothing at all for a nuclear bomb, only a peaceful atom.
          1. Tektor
            Tektor 25 December 2012 18: 15
            0
            I do not refer to articles. It's just that the 12th KGB department kept an accurate record of where and how much. At the time of the collapse, there were more than 5000 TNW and several hundred SNW on the territory of Ukraine. They did not return one from Poplar, and they also concealed it from TNW, played a "fool" ... But they were not original, absolutely all the republics on the territory of which TNW were located did so.
        2. Arkan
          Arkan 25 December 2012 17: 34
          +4
          Quote: Tektor
          Well, to be very precise, not everything was transmitted. For example, the ukry "clamped" about 24 warheads, one of which has a capacity of 550 kt ...

          Do not be. am You don’t see what a difficult geopolitical situation has developed in the World — Lenin died, Stalin died, I fell ill ... laughing laughing laughing
        3. Tektor
          Tektor 25 December 2012 17: 47
          0
          Yes, right, Iran bought 3 warheads from the Kazakhs, but dismantled one ...
  3. donchepano
    donchepano 25 December 2012 07: 53
    +3
    First, create and put into operation new ones, and only then discard and dispose of old ones.
    And then we have already exploded military warehouses for 20 years in a row "through negligence"
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 25 December 2012 07: 56
    +4
    A missile is needed now, and the prospect of a union is still vague.
    We will unite, I have no doubt about this, but we will have to make new missiles ourselves, there’s not much time for this.
  5. King
    King 25 December 2012 08: 21
    +2
    You can just upgrade Satan herself. After all, there are still no analogues in the world and will not be in the near future. No missile defense will be able to hit it for another 20-25 years minimum
  6. WW3
    WW3 25 December 2012 08: 28
    +2
    Liquid workers offer almost to revive the "Satan": they say that its first and second steps can again be done at the Yuzhmash Dnepropetrovsk plant, where once the R-36 was made, and the rest of the equipment - warheads, breeding systems, etc. - in Russia.

    They have a service life until 2020, during this time they will find a replacement .... and we need to cooperate with Yuzhmash, there is a good base .... And the rocket is beautiful ... the amers themselves called it "Satan" - they are afraid ...
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 25 December 2012 10: 05
      +4
      Quote: WW3
      we need to cooperate with Yuzhmash, there is a good base

      “The volumes that Yuzhmash and the entire rocket and space industry in the USSR had will no longer exist. Previously, UMZ made 100 rockets a year, God forbid that we make 10 "... At present, even a dozen missiles fired will allow the enterprise to operate without loss. Only for both "launches" - "Ground" (from Baikonur) and the reanimated "Morskoy" (in the latter now, instead of the American corporation Boeing, key positions are occupied by holders) Yuzhmash must produce equipment for more than $ 1,3 billion. "http://rabochaya.dp.ua/news/juzhmash_my_eshhe_poletaem/2011-06-08
      -630

      100 "improved Satan" missiles a year - yes, even Fashington hell will shudder. The plant is waiting ...
      1. WW3
        WW3 25 December 2012 11: 17
        +8
        THX. for the information Kaa
        Quote: Kaa
        100 "improved Satan" missiles a year - yes, even the Fashington Hell will shudder. The plant is waiting.

        And New York is also waiting ...
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 25 December 2012 13: 13
          +6
          Quote: WW3
          New York is waiting too.

          The world through the eyes of "Satan" ...
          1. WW3
            WW3 25 December 2012 17: 13
            +6
            Quote: Kaa
            The world through the eyes of "Satan" ...

            Some pacifist minded us, but the militarists don’t care ... by the way, Kaa, I congratulate you on the upcoming year of the snake drinks ...
            the picture is called the last minutes of Washington ....
            1. Kaa
              Kaa 25 December 2012 18: 27
              +2
              Quote: WW3
              happy year of the snake

              May the mercy of Quetzalcoatl come upon you .... drinks
              Quote: WW3
              Some pacifist minded us

              Apparently quite young ... laughing
        2. MG42
          MG42 25 December 2012 18: 57
          +4
          Quote: WW3
          And New York is also waiting ...

          Good picture nuclear mushrooms grow in New York offer acoustic accompaniment Frank Sinatra "New York, New York"
          http://www.moskva.fm/artist/frank_sinatra/song_811327
          right through the very heart of it,
          Right to his heart crying
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 25 December 2012 20: 09
            +3
            Quote: MG42
            Good picture

            Maybe it’s better to drop it in water? Wash away sins, so to speak ... crying
  7. ocopnik
    ocopnik 25 December 2012 08: 33
    0
    There would be a desire, that is, political will - everything will work out! It is clear that organizing a new production is a very troublesome business, and even weaned, but nowhere to go, otherwise slam!
  8. valokordin
    valokordin 25 December 2012 08: 39
    0
    Missiles must be done immediately, it is not known what will happen tomorrow. There is money, if only we wouldn’t drink it on GLONAS. If anything, then Yuzhmash can be bought, as they bought the Lugansk diesel locomotive plant. And good will be good for us. If capitalism, then you can buy.
  9. WW3
    WW3 25 December 2012 08: 46
    +3
    Governor - she is Satan .... The main technical characteristics of the R-36M:
    Mass - 211 t;
    Diameter - 3 m;
    Length - 34,6 m;
    The thrown weight - 7300 kg;
    The number of steps - 2;
    Rocket launch - cold;
    Firing Range - 11200 ... 16000 km;
    Accuracy (CVO) - 200 m.

  10. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 25 December 2012 09: 14
    +3
    Didn't the Bulava fly? She's kind of already in the series.
    And here is another statement, I already posted it:
    Production of the new 100-ton liquid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) will begin before the end of this year, retired Colonel-General Viktor Esin, consultant to the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces.
    "In early October, the Russian Defense Ministry generally approved the draft design of the new missile, some points were entrusted to the designers for revision. The production of the missile will begin before the end of the year," Yesin said, adding that development work had already begun, RIA Novosti reported.
    Earlier, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces Sergei Karakaev told the agency that Russia will create a new heavy 100-ton ICBM by 2018. It will replace the R-36M2 Voevoda heavy ballistic missile known throughout the world, known in the West as Satan, with a payload of up to 10 tons. Prior to that, all the latest Russian developments of intercontinental ballistic missiles - both sea-based (Bulava) and land-based (Topol-M, Yars) - were solid-fuel.
    "In early October, the Russian Defense Ministry generally approved the draft design of the new missile, some points were entrusted to the designers for revision. The production of the missile will begin before the end of the year," Yesin said, adding that development work had already begun.
    The interlocutor of the agency refused to comment on the question of what improvements the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation indicated, citing state secret.
    http://www.fontanka.ru/2012/10/19/041/
    1. terp 50
      terp 50 25 December 2012 10: 50
      0
      ... yes, the Mace, then flies, then does not fly. ,, Raw ,, else. How long they will bring, the same question ... Julitta - goes, once it will be.
    2. WW3
      WW3 25 December 2012 11: 04
      +3
      The mace has a flight range of 8 km, starting weight of 000 tons, 36 stages. The marching engines of the first and second stages of the rocket are solid-fuel. The third step to ensure the necessary speed and maneuvering in the final section of the trajectory is equipped with a liquid engine ... it is inferior to Satan in some respects, but plus the fact that the carrier is a nuclear submarine ....
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 25 December 2012 12: 47
        +2
        The mace has a flight range of 8 km, starting weight of 000 tons, 36 stages. The marching engines of the first and second stages of the rocket are solid-fuel. The third step to ensure the necessary speed and maneuvering in the final section of the trajectory is equipped with a liquid engine ... it is inferior to Satan in some respects, but plus the fact that the carrier is a nuclear submarine ....

        The same can be said about the R-39 (3M65, RSM-52).

        Underwater-based missiles: R-29, R-29R, R-39, R-29RM, CSS-NX-3, Juylan-2
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 December 2012 15: 03
      +4
      Quote: Middle Brother
      The production of the rocket will begin before the end of the year, "Yesin said, adding that development work has already begun.
      The interlocutor of the agency refused to comment on the question of what improvements the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation indicated, citing state secret.


      R&D can be said to have begun, but production by the end of the year certainly will not begin., And the point is not in improvements, but in the fact that the parent enterprise is not defined. On the eve of the Strategic Missile Forces’s day, I had to go to some gala dinner. So people who were more than interested in the topic of the heavy ICBMs, I generally confirmed the above thesis. We can definitely say that the rocket exists only in the project, and the project needs to be further developed in connection with the newly assigned tasks. So it’s too early to talk about such a rocket. In the USSR, a rocket of this class was created within 7-8 years.
      And the second TT new generation rocket that MIIT is doing now is not popular with the media recourse then the work is going in the right direction. All interviews and analysts' websites on this topic pursue a hidden goal, primarily as a public relations campaign for certain groups for a state order no more.
      1. I think so
        I think so 25 December 2012 20: 59
        -1
        It's funny to read when you talk about "PR" as an important component for MITA designers. When a rocket does not fly, then its PR or not PR makes any difference, the enemy knows everything perfectly well. And your opus about "... the new generation rocket that MIIT is doing now is not popular with the media, so the work there is going in the right direction ..."clearly does not correspond to reality, simply because these griefs of the designer have promised so much and have not been fulfilled so much that in order to cover all the" tails "for 20 years they need to quietly plow and plow in a rag ... and it is not known that they will be able to give something worthwhile to result ...
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 26 December 2012 01: 32
          +1
          Quote: I think so
          these griefs of the designer promised so much and did not fulfill so much that in order to cover all the "tails" for 20 years they need to quietly plow and plow in a rag ... and it is not known that they will be able to give something worthwhile as a result


          Maybe. but on May 23 in Plesetsk the second test launch of the prototype of this rocket was carried out. There is a new fuel that allows you to reduce the operating time of the engines in the active section of the carrier flight path. The first launch was carried out in 2011. Therefore, work is going on poorly. We will see what will be the output.
  11. Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 December 2012 09: 24
    +3
    Damn, what year is this article ??

    Russia also has multi-headed solid-fuel missiles, besides the long-suffering marine RSM-56 “Bulava”, which is not flying yet, the PC-24 ground-based missile system, which took up combat duty in December last year. There are also one-piece mine and soil rocket complexes RT-2PM Topol-M (SS-27). Their current date is 67. But these missiles are still unable to completely solve the problems of the Prague Treaty, and the guaranteed security of Russia.

    The mace is already flying, not a word about Yars, about rearmament to Yars - not a word, about the decision to make heavy liquid at 100 tons - not a word.
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 25 December 2012 11: 10
      0
      Yes, the information is old. The Lisbon Forum, it seems, took place back in September. Therefore, the content of the report does not correspond to some of the later statements. Well, the author of the article in NG could "forget" about Yars. It happens there. In addition, in the West, they try to call Yars only a multi-headed poplar, i.e. - modernization, which is prohibited by international treaties (new - you can modernize in the direction of increasing BB - no, no). So they did not focus attention in the report. And we didn’t see the text ... so it’s not so important, but we took note of it ...
      1. Gaiver2007
        Gaiver2007 25 December 2012 13: 27
        0
        Quote: Bronis
        Well, the author of the article in NG could "forget" about Yars. It happens there. In addition, in the West, they try to call Yars only a multi-headed poplar, i.e. - modernization, which is prohibited by international agreements


        Read the article carefully, the RS-24 is Yars. bully
        And Yars is a really modernized Topol-M. And he does not violate any contract. Do not mislead people!
      2. Gaiver2007
        Gaiver2007 25 December 2012 14: 03
        +1
        Quote: Bronis
        In addition, in the West they try to call Yars only multi-headed poplar, i.e. - modernization

        We also call it the modernized Topol-M
    2. Gaiver2007
      Gaiver2007 25 December 2012 13: 17
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      The mace is already flying, not a word about Yars, about rearmament to Yars - not a word, about the decision to make heavy liquid at 100 tons - not a word.

      Wedmak said everything about Yars as it is! If you don’t rummage about in rockets or crookedly read an article these are your problems: RS-24 is YRS!

      ground missile system RS-24, which took up combat duty in December last year.
    3. patsantre
      patsantre 25 December 2012 13: 50
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      Yarsa not a word, about rearmament on Yarsy - not a word


      Like a word? Your same quote says that he took up duty on December last year.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 25 December 2012 14: 29
        0
        And ... it’s to blame, prognosticators, perebyatushki ...
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 December 2012 15: 10
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      Yarsa not a word, about the rearmament to Yarsy - not a word,


      The Teykov division is already all in YaRS. The next in line are Novosibirsk and Kozelsk. and the first RP Tagil division.
  12. leon-iv
    leon-iv 25 December 2012 09: 24
    +1
    Oh NG mdya epic.
    Under their replacement there will be a new Zhizha Makeyevtsy already working on it.
  13. Road runer
    Road runer 25 December 2012 09: 44
    0
    ... and yet it is not clear why the "bicycle" (ie, a new rocket) should be invented when it has already been invented (ie, the “Voivode”). If the RS-20 Satan is so powerful and not vulnerable, then you just need to build new missiles and replace the old ones. IMHO. And the fact that Ukrainians are forbidden to make engines for missiles is a solvable problem, for example, to create a new production at home, because a new rocket will also require engines, etc., and they must be produced somewhere. And since the technology is debugged according to the RS-20, in theory there should be no problems with production.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 25 December 2012 13: 52
      +1
      Quote: Road Runer
      And since the technology has been debugged on the RS-20, there should be no problems with production.


      It was just that it was debugged in Ukraine, and even forgot how to do it, so in order to produce Satan again, it will essentially have to be re-created.
  14. Nickname
    Nickname 25 December 2012 09: 46
    +1
    The article did not like.
    Not a word about the new liquid rocket to replace. Here is a glance:
    "The Ministry of Defense approved the project of a 100-ton liquid-propellant intercontinental ballistic missile, its production will begin before the end of 2012. In terms of its characteristics, the new missile will surpass Voevoda, which is called Satan in the West, and will be able to throw up to 15 medium or 10 heavy nuclear warheads at a distance of over 10 thousand kilometers. "
    And no mention of Yuzhmash. So the author had to conduct an analysis - is it a duck or a reality?
    1. I think so
      I think so 25 December 2012 21: 07
      0
      It can be seen that you quoted the "duck". How can a 100-ton rocket pass twice (!) A 200-ton missile (Voivode). And at a distance of 10 thousand and Voivode 16 thousand and everything else. You either misquoted or took the "duck" as a basis.
  15. taseka
    taseka 25 December 2012 10: 36
    0
    Modernize "Satan" and start new ones, having bought all the plants in Ukraine within a year of gas supplies!
  16. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 25 December 2012 10: 44
    +1
    There is a Krasnoyarsk plant (produces blue) and he will make a new one.
    1. Strashila
      Strashila 25 December 2012 10: 50
      0
      I completely agree ... starting devices can also be placed under a pond.
  17. sergskak
    sergskak 25 December 2012 10: 53
    0
    To transfer the creation of a heavy or medium-sized land-based liquid rocket to Russia - there are also difficulties here, which must be discussed separately.
    So we need to talk about this in the first place, but the fact that we need to change the rockets is a no brainer.
  18. IRBIS
    IRBIS 25 December 2012 11: 40
    0
    I do not believe that we have forgotten how to develop and build rockets. Moreover, the rocket, in fact, is already there. Production technology is also available. To improve the project and make changes taking into account modern requirements - there are design bureaus for this. It seems to me that the conjuncture of these same bureaus is more influenced here, the desire to advance their own, while doing away with the opponent. But in a business like our security, this is not permissible. Time is running out ...
  19. Kosmodrom
    Kosmodrom 25 December 2012 11: 58
    +4
    R-36MUTTH and R-36M2 missiles are good. However, there is no need to make such "monsters" now. With modern technology for manufacturing warheads and control systems, similar tasks can be solved with a carrier that is 2-2.5 times lighter in weight. In addition, do not forget that the smaller the rocket, the greater its acceleration, which is important at the initial stage of the trajectory, in terms of countering missile defense, the greater the silo security and operating costs.
    You can forget about the production of missiles in Ukraine, it is economically and strategically inexpedient and no one will go for it. Most likely, the development will be entrusted to "Makeyevtsy", they have vast experience in the development of liquid-propellant missiles and have no alternative.
    Now only P-36M2 remained on duty. This type of missile is called Voevoda. LV "Dnepr" is made on the basis of R-36MUTTH.
  20. evil hamster
    evil hamster 25 December 2012 12: 52
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    Afftar gn In general, Litovkin can not be read further, the new liquid rocket has already been wired up, the main contractor and the cooperation are obviously identified, while the author has something to argue about - this is the clinic. And his mace does not fly, and in general everything is bad.
  21. VadimSt
    VadimSt 25 December 2012 12: 55
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    True, the problem is that under the Lisbon agreement of the beginning of the 90 of the last century, signed by the USA, Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus, none of these countries, except Russia and the USA, can make strategic nuclear missiles.

    The consequences of the corruption of those same people who collapsed the USSR!
    Still, Versailles (the first thing that came to mind) the contract remembered! Any political agreement operates within the framework of the existing, at that time, and stably existing, at the real time, political realities. Where are these realities? Where are the borders of NATO? Where and with whom is Ukraine? Where is all this corrupt riffraff?
  22. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 25 December 2012 13: 09
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    Cool article. Probably somewhat old data. And then who will say what will fly into space there and what will return from it? In general, the title is incorrect why we call our rocket according to the American classification. We have a modern rocket "Voevoda", the service life of which has been extended almost until 2020. I wonder what our "advanced partners" have. Than they will defend their homosexual democracy. One naked point is not enough.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 25 December 2012 13: 56
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      Satan - sounds terrible wink
  23. slave420
    slave420 25 December 2012 14: 24
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    Satan should never be abandoned, otherwise the lucifer will be offended :)
    But seriously, you cannot refuse such a weapon. In the west they are still afraid of it, so they are trying with all their might to erase it from memory (it was the same with the nuclear submarine "Shark") they say bullshit you don’t need it ... Fear is such a thing ...
  24. Locksmith
    Locksmith 25 December 2012 16: 25
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    The new missile will be smaller, so it is possible to protect the old mine more strongly, and call it more gently, such as "a democrat's dream" smile
  25. homosum20
    homosum20 25 December 2012 17: 45
    +1
    And here, it seems to me, our supreme commander is joking with fire. This, damn it, is not a swamp.
    "But even with the replacement of Voevoda (Satan), like Sotka, not everything is all right. The leadership of the military-industrial complex is fighting with which missiles to replace the outgoing R-36M2 and UR-100NUTTKh - liquid or solid-fuel . "
    These are not Taburetkin jokes. After all, the people will tear off their heads. Without any struggle.
    1. Tektor
      Tektor 25 December 2012 22: 01
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      The answer is simple: you need both fast missiles to break through the missile defense system and multi-headed missiles for "a quality roll into the Stone Age." The only question is among those and others: how much is needed for a guaranteed breakthrough in the direction, as well as "clearing" the trajectory. Is it possible to include elements of "clearing the path" in the rocket itself? Those. so that the rocket would have an active defense.
  26. Severalevr
    Severalevr 30 December 2012 15: 46
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    We need to get out of START urgently and build up nuclear power. Let them blame the arms race, unleash a new Cold War, or whatever nonsense. Enemies wait only for this when the strategic nuclear forces that we have in service are completely decaying and then we can be almost naked hands at least to China, even NATO. Sadly to admit it, but this is a bitter fact. I have high hopes for Shoigu. I welcome the revival of the BZHRK, but this is not enough, and the first sample is only communicated by 2020. Missiles now need to be issued as sausages, as Khrushchev said, and only then will no one have an idea to encroach on the sovereignty of Russia. This has already been said by Putin.
  27. Orion
    Orion 27 February 2013 01: 39
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    But is it necessary to rely on mine missiles, taking into account the capabilities of modern and promising non-nuclear high-precision weapons? Mines are likely to be hit. Maybe you should develop mobile systems? Who thinks about this?